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You deserve so many subs just because of your presentation style alone , as a person trying to learn japanese slowly i can confirm it is not as easy as i expected (given im practicing hiragana) but its still a really cool language to learn

@CiggySnake

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has been studying the language for close to two years, I'm in total agreement. It's a real grind but at the same time it's super cool to learn, both the language itself and the history/culture behind it. Also, thank you for the kind words man. I'm happy with the state/growth of the channel and hopefully it continues to grow. Feel free to share the vid around as well, at my size it can certainly help and I'd greatly appreciate it.

Great work as always 💜

お前はそもそも日本語出来るのか？動画の内容からするとそうは見えないよな。疑わしかったり間違ったりしている情報が多過ぎるしね。動画を観て「えっ？」って思った事を並べ立てみた（僕は日本語力がまだまだなので英語で書いたけど）: - Kanbun wasn't "rearranging the characters to conform to Japanese Grammar and pronunciation", it was literally just Classical Chinese with marks that made it possible to read the text as Japanese by mentally rearranging words and adding missing pieces. In fact I'm pretty sure 漢文 is just what Classical Chinese is called in Japanese - "This data is modern but differences could only be greater in the past". Why though? Languages (and before they split into distinct languages also dialects) generally diverge more from each other as time goes on unless there's some unifying force like a central government pushing for conformity (although I guess in the case of Japanese dialects there has been some influence from the standard language on most dialects in the last 100-150 years) - The idea that Japanese only uses the Jouyou Kanji and that those are all you need to read and write is honestly ridiculous. The initial Touyou list was eventually abolished, the Jouyou list that followed it is more of a suggestion than anything (at least outside of official writing and the education system), and modern Japanese uses at least 3000 characters so frequently that most people can more or less read them. Afaik very well-educated people generally have no problem reading 4000-5000+ (in context at least) - I don't think Kanbun was really used much by the time of the post-war writing reforms. Do you maybe think that Kanbun and Classical Japanese are the same thing? If so, they aren't, look it up - The absolute vast majority of kanji are not as complex as you make them out to be since they're basically just arrangements of a number simpler, reoccurring components. Admittedly still a large number when looking at it from the Latin script, but it's not fair to say that every Chinese character is a unique symbol or has to be learned separately like it seems to be implied in the video - "Perhaps the biggest hurdle in learning Japanese is its very basis, kanji". Kanji aren't the basis of Japanese, the spoken language is. You could learn Japanese without ever seeing a single kanji, although that would make you functionally illiterate so I wouldn't recommend it :P - Do you think that grammatical differences make Japanese harder to learn than literally any other language that isn't closely related to English? Japanese grammar is in general actually fairly easy to grasp in my experience. There are a few things that seem perplexing coming from a European background, but that's gonna be the same for every other language, probably even ones extremely closely related to English like Scots or Dutch - Since you seem to think particles are so difficult to grasp, have you ever objectively looked at how complicated English prepositions are if you aren't fluent in English? They're almost literally the exact same thing as particles in Japanese (except that the role of が and を is taken up by word order instead and that there's no equivalent for は) - "The root form of Japanese is practically never used". What alternative universe version of Japanese are you learning? It's used all the damn time when politeness isn't necessary. Try reading a novel, or a Wikipedia article, or going on some online forums, or a million other things, and you'll see regular forms (including the dictionary form) literally everywhere - "Japanese is as much about memorizing kanji as it is understanding the culture". The statement about kanji aside, yeah duh. That's literally every language ever. You just don't notice it as much with European languages because the cultures they belong to are usually pretty close to American/English/any other Anglo culture in comparison to East Asian or Arabic cultures (or whatever other non-Euro culture you can think of) - "There are just biological handicaps towards picking up a new language after childhood". Not really true to the extent you make it out to be, most people just use shit methods. I learned English just fine starting in my mid-late teens and reached a pretty high level in just a few years (as did millions of other people all around the world), and so far I'm not doing that badly with Japanese either using essentially the exact same method. Adults also have many advantages that babies and children don't have, like a higher level of intelligence, an enormous amount of preexisting knowledge about concepts that can often be linked to equivalent words in the new language, and the ability to learn in a structured and efficient manner - There's this idea throughout the video that the various reforms mentioned had any effect on the spoken language, which I'd argue they didn't. The spoken language (or rather the Kantou dialect) developed completely naturally (like any other language in the world) and was then just adopted as the national language during Meiji, beginning a long process of it slowly displacing all other dialects and regional languages, which still ongoing today. Afaik it was never significantly reformed beyond the writing system, which before the reform was mostly based on classical Japanese rather than any extant dialect - I find it interesting that Classical Japanese, which became far more important than Kanbun with time and was used right up until the end of WW2, is basically not mentioned at all And finally, unless you want to be able to handwrite, learning kanji doesn't require much effort at all. I'd guess it makes learning the language at most 5-10% more difficult than it would be if it wasn't written with kanji. Even if you want to learn handwriting, it's a year's worth of doing 10 new Anki cards a day to learn how to write more kanji than the vast majority of Japanese people can manage Kanji also have certain advantages for learners (whether that's foreigners learning Japanese or Japanese people learning the more technical or literary vocab), perhaps most importantly that they make remembering words easier because of the meaning they carry that wouldn't be so easily available with a non-ideographic writing system Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, the misinformation in this video just really hit several nerves for me so it kind of pissed me off

@youknowkbbaby

Жыл бұрын

Do you think furigana helps when learning Japanese?

I'm half Japanese and I've been using the language for about 20 years I can speak and understand it well but writing and reading is definitely harder.

Watching this while I avoid my anki reps

@CiggySnake

2 жыл бұрын

Relatable, my decks are maxed out.

2:47 - "I'm gonna go build my own phonetic alphabet, with blackjack and hookers" - girlbosses from ancient Japan

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Actually, Japanese culture has been 'the rage' since the 1980s, possibly even before that. Shocking, but true-- there was life on this planet before the internet.

No worries at all mate! You legit deserve it :) Another banger of a vid too!

@CiggySnake

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it Kalani, glad you liked it

The lore grows even deeper with the introduction of Sicky Snake to the cinematic snakeiverse. I think I'm going to go learn Japanese now.

Japanese language is design solely to be suited with native Japanese. It’s basically a language where expects you to live your whole life in Japan. So very little hope for foreigners to learn with the exception of Chinese, to them it’s like a side quest since all you need to do is learn the grammar structures then its daijoubu, kanji isn’t a problem since meanings are always the same but only pronunciations.

@BenKerman

Жыл бұрын

それはどんな言語でも同じでしょう 数千時間を費やさなくても日本人ほど流暢になった中国人がいたら会ってみたいなぁ。中国人の漢字智識でも日本語学習はそんな簡単なものではないと思いますけどね。大体の音読みは官話のと全然違いますし、日本語の単語の半分くらいは中国語と全く関係のない日本固有の言葉と主に西洋から来た借用語ですし、文法は根本的に似てませんし

another banger from the ciggiest snake around !

balled so hard they thought i was a nutsack

@CiggySnake

8 ай бұрын

You'll learn your nihongo one of these days, kid

日本語が難しない

6:00 okay first off, how dare you

0:00 true true