Joh 20:17 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" -Christ

@fredrolinners8903

2 жыл бұрын

And Thomas properly referred to the Lord Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28.

@78LedHead

2 жыл бұрын

I and the Father are one, Jesus said. Jesus referred to himself as "I Am.' There are several places where Jesus proves he was God in the flesh.

@henrybarrick7205

2 жыл бұрын

@@78LedHead Please define the word "God" as you use the term "God in the flesh. Then, please cite a scripture passage that uses the word in the same sense.

@ekokes5704

Жыл бұрын

The shema is about unity. When it says our God is one it’s taking about unity. Same as when the messiah was taking about his Father and himself being one is talking about unity.

@dreameruy9510

2 ай бұрын

God is One and ALONE Before me there was NO GOD formed, neither shall there be AFTER ME Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed (Gal 1:8) Paul said for there is One God and One Mediator between god and men, The Man Christ Jesus (1tim 2: 5) VERY VERY CLEAR VERSE THE MAN CHRIST JESUS THE Man Christ Jesus said I am A MAN THE SCRIPTURE SAYS; GOD IS NOT A MAN The Man Christ Jesus said The Father is greater than I ( NOT CO-EQUAL) The Man Christ Jesus said no man knows the hour even the Son but my Father only ( GOD IS NOT TRINITY) The Man Christ Jesus said God is Spirit Jn 4:24 ( NOT PERSON) THE SCRIPTURE IS VERY VERY CLEAR Whosoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God (2jn1:9) (10) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine Do Not Receive him into your house Nor greet him Question Where did Jesus teach Unity,Trinity, Triune God, 3 person..? Can you provide even only one verse..?

I just heard a good word at the end of Steve Lehto's program. Here it is: Wise men don't judge. They seek to understand.

God bless you for all your efforts!

Maybe its so hard for us to wrap our head around because God isn't like anything else. He is unique because he is God. We can not understand his eternal nature either but people don't seem to have a problem with God being eternal. Just because we might not understand something does not make it untrue. Many scientists will tell you that they don't understand everything about quantum physics but they believe its true. We don't understand how God created the universe but we know it's true

I recommend his book(s) Good stuff

GOD Bless you!

Thank you, it explains even more the Trinity for me

Triangle = 3 Sides. Stool = 3 Legs. 3 = 1st Prime Number. 3 Dimensions = Platonic Solids. "Mathetes" is the real Koine Greek word we translate badly as "disciple." Math is indeed the language of God. Now you know. I studied Philosophy of Math at Harvard. All that fancy Russell, Goedl, Turing and Wittgenstein. Few today know that Wittgenstein was Converso Christian. Peace be with you.

The Trinity is very clearly stated in scripture. I really don't understand how anyone can deny that.

@PrintOfLife

3 жыл бұрын

@@amandabargo9851 Look up Numbers 11:25. The concept of Trinity explain the omnipresence of The Biblical GOD.

@thehelpdesk4051

3 жыл бұрын

@@amandabargo9851 so your saying scripture contradicts itself? That is an impossibility in itself

@DonjohnsonBG

2 жыл бұрын

Question Mr William; Did Moses understood God to be a Trinity? Also you do know Moses was the one who said Deuteronomy 6:4, so please tell me from Moses account did He believe in a Triune God?

@johnchauke7492

2 жыл бұрын

When Moses asked God to show himself to him, did he see three or one?? If he saw one then would u have conviced Moses that God is three in one??

@changstein

Жыл бұрын

show me the verse that says all 3 are 1

To be loved To have love To love her, beloved and the expression..... Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooowwwwwwwww I bless GOD for you sir

No one can show a verse that God is three presons. We we can only show verses that God is one. God can be whatever or how many ever God chooses to be

28 minute video versus 1 verse: Yeshua said, "(Father), this is eternal life, to know you, the only true God, and Yeshua Messiah who you have sent." Case closed.

@debosantana2228

3 жыл бұрын

That part lmao

@darkforgiven360

3 жыл бұрын

He uses evidence not just faith. Many of us need that or we would never have become Christians.

@rijoab

3 жыл бұрын

@Обед Монгало @Обед Монгало i didn’t know trinity when I came to christ. After that I learned and I knew and its awesome.

@renierramirez9534

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Here Jesus is claiming being equal to The Father as a requirement for salvation because The Father is not enough for salvation according to you and it would contradict the OT. Jesus is also Jehova.

@TheSubwaysurfer

10 ай бұрын

To point out the scripture that validates other scripture might work for believers already invested in the faith, but does a little if nothing for the unbeliever. If you’re trying to prove a verse in the Bible by another verse which the atheist doesn’t believe in the first place but in his mind you’re just spinning your wheels trying to prove scripture with another scripture. Better to use an apologeticalArgument that his mind can grass first and then show him scripture later once he’s invested

Have you ever heard of supercritical phase of solids, liquids and gases? And the Triple Point for a substance? Are these conditions a fair illustration of the Trinity?

@agubamatona6097

3 жыл бұрын

Not because not one molecule is all three at the same time

@debosantana2228

3 жыл бұрын

No

@Faith_Over_Fear_OG

3 жыл бұрын

No

@annbrucepineda8093

Жыл бұрын

@@debosantana2228 Why not?

Only Jesus and the Father and love one another are essential for salvation John 17:3, Matthew 19:16-19: 1stJohn3:22-23.

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

Essential doesn't only mean necessary. It means basic

@margaretkubany9744

6 ай бұрын

why did Jesus pray from the cross if He was God why did He need to pray to the Father? Why does he sit at God's right hand if he is God? I know all 3 are 1 in purpose,however proverbs 8: 22-30,God spoke at the baptism, Bible didn't say Jesus spoke. God said, "this is my son "God said in genesis6, "Let us make man in our image". I feel I need to understand this doctrine if it's so important in christianity

In Genesis 1:26, one can also find the word Elohym used with the Hebrew word meaning “to make,” which is asah עָשָׂה, while it is modified into a plural נַֽעֲשֶׂה to translate as “let Us make.” The conversation is between more than one person, but with the plurality of Elohym, it can only be the Godhead talking amongst one another. The word “image” is translated from the Hebrew word tselem צֶלֶם, which is modified into plurality to say “in our image”.בְּצַלְמֵנוּ. The same can be said about “likeness,” which is the Hebrew word dĕmuwth, which is modified into plurality the same way. Once again this can only be seen as intentional by God to imply that He was speaking amongst the Triune Godhead. Genesis 1:26 can be read “and the ‘Godhead’ (Elohym) said ‘Let Us’ make man ‘in Our image,’ and ‘Our likeness.’” If the original Hebrew text reveals plurality, then one cannot declare that God is only one Person. In Jeremiah 23:36, one will find the phrase “the words of the living God;” the adjective “living” in Hebrew is chay חַי but in Jeremiah 23:36 it is in the plural form חַיִּים; one should understand that the Hebrew modifiers for plurality usually appear on the verbs and adjectives in descriptive context of the noun. This verse implies that the “living God” is in a plural context. Martin Luther’s Treatise on the Last Words of David argue that King David intended to communicate the involvement of the Triune Godhead during the creation account of Genesis 1 within Psalm 33:6. “By the word (Jesus) of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath (Holy Spirit) of his mouth.”(Psalm 33:6 [KJV]) In Isaiah 6:3, many will look to the trisagion (singing) of the word Holy three time is a angelic praise measuring the Holiness of God; can God’s Holiness be measured that way? Theologians such as Konrad Pellikan, Antistes of Zurich, Wolfgang Capito and Martin Bucer, Wolfgang Musculus (student of Capito) all attest to Psalm 33:6 and Isaiah 6:3 are proof of the Trinity. On the other side, John Calvin does not see these two passages to be very persuasive of proof for the Trinity. Within Genesis 3:22, the phrase “is become as one of us” is translated from two Hebrew words; “is become as one” in Hebrew is echad modified as כְּאַחַד while “of us” is translated from the Hebrew word miménu מִמֶּנּוּ; this is a first-person plural personal pronoun. The original Hebrew text denotes a plurality of the One (Yĕhovah Elohiym) who seems to be speaking to another or others referring to them being “us” being similar members within the same group. One can also see multiplicity of God within Isaiah 63:7-14. The passage talks of God being Israel’s Savior, and that His angel (Messenger) saved them. That Messenger (verse 9) who saved them has to be the Son, because He was the Messenger of the Father’s presence and was here to save them (John 1:18). They vexed His Holy Spirit (verse 10); where is he that put his Holy Spirit within him? (verse 11). The presence of more than one person is obvious within this passage. In the baptism of Jesus Christ, one can read of the three Persons of the Triune Godhead merging within one scene. The Holy Spirit descended like a dove and lighten upon the Son, while the Father spoke. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:16-17 [KJV]) Elsewhere, Jesus commands the Great Commission saying “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matt. 28:19 [KJV]) In Matthew 28:19, the Greek word used for “name” (onoma) is in a singular status. In proper language structure, the fact Jesus named three Persons would call for the word to be in a plural status (baptizing them in the names of). This singular status reveals they are three Persons in One Godhead.

@cbooth151

3 жыл бұрын

"The conversation is between more than one person, but with the plurality of Elohym, it can only be the Godhead talking amongst one another." You are wrong on two points in the statement above. Consider: 1. Where in the Bible does it say the Godhead is triune? Answer: NOWHERE!! 2. According to you, at Gen. 1:26, God was talking to himself when he said: "Let us make man..." But, guess again. The word "us" is a plural personal pronoun that includes the one speaking and at least one other person. So, when God said: "Let us make man...," he was speaking about himself and at least one other person who is not God. So, to try and make Gen. 1:26 appear that God is triune is to twist what the scripture is saying. Since only one God is involved at Gen. 1:26, if he were speaking to himself, he wouldn't us the plural pronoun "us." Instead, he would have used the singular pronoun 'me.' Gen. 1:26 does not even remotely indicate that God consists of three persons.

@grasonicus

3 жыл бұрын

"with the plurality of Elohym, it can only be the Godhead talking amongst one another." You have to perform mental gymnastics to get to the Trinity. I prefer simpler things. This doesn't need any inferences: for us, there's one God, the Father...

@maineiax

3 жыл бұрын

I believe we are to study using the Holy Spirit as our teacher which happens when one is a lover of Truth. I do not agree that the word "elohim" is a plural of the word "el". I believe it is an expansion of it for lack of a better definition. I believe that el represents a worldly authority like Moses was made an El over pharaoh. If El is defined as authority, then elohim could be defined as highest Authority as in THE LAWGIVER/Creator. As in there is only One Lawgiver, highest authority who is also our King, Judge, Priest and physician. Those placed in authority under Him would be El. Elohim also might express the Triune Godhead of One God (Highest Authority) with three persons in the Father the Word and the Holy Spirit. See 1 John 5:7 The false religions/pagan cults have adopted the lies of Babylon and all have some type of trinity in their belief system but when closely examined all lead back to Semiramis giving birth to her reincarnated husband Nimrod as the queen of heaven, an androgyne (baphomet) figure who is really Lucifer/satan telling his flocks they can be as gods and know everything. There is nothing new under the sun.

@78LedHead

2 жыл бұрын

Elohim is simply a place of residence term.... the disembodied spirit realm. God is a spirit, correct? God is talking to his heavenly host/divine council in that passage (along with others). If that means the trinity, then you also have God arguing with the trinity in other passages. The heavenly host were created before us. They didn't assist in creation - God did that solely - but they rejoiced and sang as he created. Jesus, the Word, was the agent of creation. Plural elohim is NOT the trinity. That has been taught in our Western context for centuries because divine plurality scares us. The Bible PLAINLY states there are other little g gods but only one Most High (the creator - the trinity). Look into divine council. It's a doctrine that we've lost over time but PLAINLY there. Look into Dr. Michael Heiser, an ancient language scholar. He will explain it all. We are monotheistic. The little g gods are only heavenly host. Some rebelled. Some stayed loyal. Angel is just a job description of messenger. We've been taught there's only angels and demons, God and Satan, and it's wrong. Paul talks about the dominions and thrones and rulers and princes. These are fallen divine beings greater than demons. The powers of darkness. It's a giant turf war and God will reclaim it all. Babel is when God gave the nations over to the gods and made his own nation through Abram.

@user-pz5mr3rw1k

Жыл бұрын

Father Son and Holy Ghost are titles not a name. Jesus Christ is his name.

But Jesus DOES NOT know all things. "Neither the angels NOR THE SON know the day or the hour when the end will come.. ONLY the Father."

God says, "I will not give my glory to another", while Jesus said, "Glorify me along with yourself, Father, with the glory I had with you in the beginning". Here we have God Almighty saying He will not share glory with "another". And here we have Jesus, praying to be glorified in union with the Father, with the same glory He shared in union with the Father before time began. That is not an outlier. Then you consider the baptismal formula given to us by Jesus, that we baptize in the NAME (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Name denotes power and authority. Think, "open up in the name of the king", or, "stop in the name of the law". If Jesus and the Holy Spirit were not God, it would be blasphemous for the Son and the Holy Spirit to be mentioned along with the Father in such a context. And the Trinity is alluded to many times throughout the epistles. Such as, "may the love of God, the grace of Jesus Christ, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all". Even in the Old Testament, you have the LORD, the Word of the LORD, and the Spirit of the LORD. Lastly, the word "one" used in "Hear O Israel...YHWH Elohim is one " is the same Hebrew word used in Genesis, when it says the man and wife become "one" flesh. And when you think about it, what a perfect illustration. Paul says that God's eternal power and Godhead can be understood by what has been made. Mankind is made in His image. Here we have God, in creating a human family, creates three: man, wife, child as one flesh. So God Himself demonstrates in His ultimate act of creation, in His own image, that multiple persons can be "one". The implications are inescapable. Further, how a man leaves his father's house and clings to his wife is reflective of Christ and His church.

I have always thought God is like light (yes I know he says I am the light). Light is made up of all colors but there are three colors red, blue and yellow the primary colors. I guess there are problems with this also but it helps me understand.

If we examine the Bible verses that are supposed to support the Trinity Doctrine with an honest heart we will see that they, in fact, do not support it. For instance where Jesus says “I and the Father are one” could mean that they are in complete agreement. And because all are mentioned in Matthew 28:19 does not make Jesus, God. We have to examine the context and use our own God-given ability to think and reason. In John 8:58 Jesus is not calling himself "I am". That doesn't make sense. Jesus is saying that he existed before Abraham was born. That does make sense. But it does not mean that he and God are the same. During his ministry, Jesus often spoke of his pre-human existence. (John 17:5) Jesus had a glorious pre-human existence but that does not make him almighty God.

@donellebullock7404

2 жыл бұрын

Except he claimed also to be BEFORE creation too. Who is the ONLY being to be their according to the text?

@thomasprefontaine5023

Жыл бұрын

And he created all things, but wait only God did that...hmmmm

@TheTruthAndTheCross

10 ай бұрын

Sir, such a reply could only mean you have a very limited knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. OR, you conveniently ignore Scriptures that clearly says that the Lord Jesus is God, the Son of God and the Word of God. John 1:1-3,14 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made........ [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Philippians 2:5-6 KJV Let this mind be in you, (speaking of verses 1-4) which was also in C 27:31 to be equal with God: Hebrews 1:6-9 KJV And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. [7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. [8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 1 John 5:20 KJV And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Revelation 19:11-13 KJVS And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. God Bless, Pastor K. L. Greene

We are told Jesus is the image of the unseen God. When you look in a mirror who do you see? You or your image? It is you and it is Your image. Your image does what you do. If your image does it's own thing then it's not your image. If you have seen the image of the Father you have also seen the Father. We are not told we we the image of the Son of God. We see the image of the unseen one and only God

Does old Testament talk about holy spirit or God the father

@paulrussell6495

2 жыл бұрын

Yes in the first book of the bible and others

Is the Trinity doctrine essential for Church unity? It shouldn't be, at least in my opinion. It might be a fine doctrine, but it might be given the wrong place. Ever hear of square watermelons? Some people think watermelons ought to be round, or at least free to grow round, but that's really up to the farmer, isn't it? Who is the primary one who tends the plants? Who is it that sends the rain and the sunshine, and the times and seasons itself?

@HomoEucharistica

10 ай бұрын

Both the doctrine of Trinity and the doctrine of Jesus' incarnation are crucial for understanding who Jesus is. If Trinity is a false doctrine, then Christians believe in wrong Jesus, and if the Trinity is truthful doctrine, then all the others have wrong Jesus.

Matthew 3:16-17. The scene of Jesus' baptism. Where was jesus? In the water. Where was God? his voice came from the heavens saying, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" Where was the Holy Ghost? In the form of a dove. They are three separate beings. Christ is the literal Son of the Father. You should listen to your LDS family because they are right! There is so much more literal evidence of this in the scriptures.

Trinity is a mystry and it defies human understanding but its reality and power can be experienced by the believer.

He he. I believed modalism for a while. Then the lesson was Jesus' baptism and I realized, "It can't be the way I think!" I was 7.

In Hebrew there are two words for one. Echad - unity and yakeed - one singular . The shemah is echad. Husband and wife are echad, so we’re Pharaoh’s dreams were also echad - one.

Matthew 5:18 says "For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled." Christians are taught to adhere to what is written. We can't add even a dot in the scriptures let alone a word like "trinity".

Deut 6 v 4 it says our God he is one Lord and not that they are one Lord. So to say Trinity is clear I don't think without people enforcing their understanding through the church such doctrine would stand. Or let us say the plural Elohim of God was used but why then doesn't it say they are one but says he is one. Same thing in Genesis 1 v 26 to 27 it says He made man in his image and not that they made man in their own image.

We need to show our beliefs in the bible. God said he is the I am that I am. Self exiting. If you believe God must be three in order to be love must be shown to be true in the bible. It's not. God alone is self exiting. Nothing else is needed.

Issue is that God never told us he is three something only that he is one. Just because the one that is used is a plural one doesn't make God three. It can also mean limitless.

To all you stubborn ones out there who somehow think Jesus wasn't God, how in the world do you work around this: John 8:24 "For unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." If that wasn't enough, try on John 8:58 for size: "Before Moses was, I AM." Need I tell you who the great I AM is? My goodness how do some of you get so far off track. Let me guess, you don't think there's a new covenant either? "I and the Father are one." "I am in the Father and the Father is in me." They are ONE but also DIFFERENT. As humans that's hard for us to understand. If Jesus wasn't God, we're ALL DEAD IN OUR SINS FOLKS.

@henrybarrick7205

2 жыл бұрын

Im not sure that Jesus was saying that he was "I am". But if he was saying that, wouldn't that mean that he was saying that he was the father?

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

He said, before Moses. If hewas saying he was the father then who was he praying to?

@thomasprefontaine5023

Жыл бұрын

He wasn't saying he was the father, since they are separate persons. He was saying that he has always been. He is infinite. Only God is infinite. Therefore, he is deity. But he is not the father, the father is also deity? How is this possible? The trinity explains this.

An argument trinitarians love to use is that since we believe other examples of synonymous words in scripture it’s no different if we plug in the word Trinity to define God. WRONG. Trinity is not who God is. It’s a NEW WORD with a NEW MEANING.

@Episcopalianacolyte

2 жыл бұрын

You did not watch the video. You would have understood that the Bible clearly describes the TRINITY even though not using the word. The concept is there. We don't believe what you think we do. GOD is one. GOD is creator. There are not multiple GODS in Christianity. Christianity is Monotheistic Which is the belief in one GOD. What is the TRINITY? Watch this video. You will certainly learn something new.

still do not get the need for God to be 3 persons. it may seemingly 'solve a problem' for some folk but it creates problems for me. whether 3n1 or 3 expressed as 1 or however you need to slice it, doesn't 'knock Jesus off the throne' for me. i dont know if i am a 1 God guy or a trititarian or whatever. as long as i understand that God, the all encompassing entity that created all things, is Love and Loves me - i'm good. as long as i know that God's essence is summed up in Jesus - im good. arguing over the nature of God is pointless - as is so many other theological contentions

Isn’t calling The Father the Father of Jesus confounding the three? It was the Holy Spirit that caused Mary to conceive, not the Father. Shouldn’t the Holy Spirit be the father? Or are you confounding the Father with the spirit?

From 8:40 for example , you are quoting MATT 28:20 to say JC is God but two verses before in MATT 28:18 it speaks about ‘All authority has been GIVEN me’ Given to him by whom . What about JOHN 5:26. Who granted the Son to ‘have life within himself’?? What about EPHESIANS 4:6 ‘ one God and Father over all’?

The whole point of Jesus death on the cross is to show his obedience to God even unto death on the cross. Obedience, denying his own will to do the will of God. He didn’t want to. He had a hard time with it in the garden of gethsemane. The final test of Jesus faith was the ultimate test. In that sacrifice, the man Jesus showed that man is worthy.

The problem with some Westerners is they’re in ability to accept and embrace mystery and complexity We’ve become so arrogant in our need to be shown evidence, to have things make logical sense (Using our logic of course, not Gods) to quotethe words of the prophet Darth Vader“ don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force“ I’ll leave it to you Star Wars fans out there to extrapolate why I use that line of dialogue!

I hope people are still reading this since it was posted in 2015. What is confusing to me, is that Jesus referre(s)d to God the father as greater (John 14:28). From what I understand from theologians is that God the father is the leader, the plan developer per se. Now, other Christians have said "Well, this is because God the fathers role is greater." Thats not what Jesus just said. Jesus just said that in other verses. There are SO many times where Jesus's prays to God the father, worships God the father, points to God the father. Even says that He (Jesus) is a servant to God the father, AND it is even stated that God the father raised Jesus from the dead. But yet, we consider them equal? Jesus said himself that he will sit at the right hand of God the father. Why wouldn't Jesus sit equal to the father then? I have problems believing that they are equal. I dislike when people use this term because, it isn't accurate. Is Jesus a deity? Absolutely, just look at his works, and reassurance by his resurrection that what He said is true. Is the holy spirit a deity? Absolutely. Is God the father a deity? Absolutely, no doubt. Are they the same equal God?.. NOW theres where my problems comes in at. Maybe it the gentile in me LOL. If anyone can explain, please help.

@higgsquasar1819

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct in a sense. Jesus did certainly claim to be equal with God the Father (“I and the Father are one” John 10:30). So, Jesus is clearly equal with God the Father, but He submits to the will of God the Father. (In a similar way, the Holy Spirit submits to Jesus). You can see Paul talk about this in I Corinthians 15:27-28 “When all things are subjected to Him [Jesus], then the Son himself will also be subjected to Him [The Father] who put all things in subjection under Him [Jesus], that God may be all in all”. So one day, in the future, Jesus will hand over all things to His Father as a form of worship to His Father. But it is not because He is lesser than His Father, but because He gladly submits to Him. You can liken this to marriage. The wife is not lesser than her husband. They are equal before God in both value and dignity. But (in an ideal world) she gladly submits to the leadership of her husband. So too, the church submits to Christ as her head. And Christ submits to the will of the Father. And, again in a sense, the Father is greater than Jesus at the time of the incarnation. See what Paul says in Phil. 2:6-7, “who though He [Jesus] was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.” Paul is clearly showing us that Jesus is equal with God, but He counted it as nothing in order to be subject to the will of His Father. So Jesus emptied Himself (not by taking away His deity) but by adding on the form of a servant. In this way, God the Father was greater than Jesus at the time of the incarnation. And if you think about it, prayer is just talking to God. So, it makes sense that Jesus would talk to His Father. I hope that makes sense to you. It is how I understand it. But, I’d encourage you to seek out the truth for yourself.

@eddielasowsky7777

3 жыл бұрын

The Father is greater because he was First, Jesus was begotten of the Father in Heaven. An illustration of this is Adam and Eve. Adam is first and from his rib Eve was made. Adam is the one who Eve submits to because he was first. Jesus came from the bosom of the Father (like Eve came from Adam) and IS divine because like can only beget like, God could not beget a human only one like him. The fact that Jesus is divine but also could lay down his divinity and become human makes him the only one who could die on our behalf.

@78LedHead

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus said "Before Moses was, I AM!" He also said "Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." The Father is the Father - the Son is the Son - the Spirit is the Spirit. Different roles, same being. The Angel of YHWH was another personification of the Lord (most like the Father).

@raybrensike42

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the equality of Jesus with the Father is more about all the power and authority he has with the Father, and about how to disobey Jesus is to disobey the Father also, and how to obey Jesus is to obey the Father also.

Hear o Israel the Lord is one lord.

@Allen_Sherry

4 жыл бұрын

1 Lord, Three persons.

The problem is that those who deny the TRINITY have no idea what we believe. They argue that we believe in polytheism, which is false. The TRINITY is essential and you have explained it well.

Deut 6:4 is quoted at Mark 12:29-30 and yet nowhere did this person who quoted this believe that Jesus was the God or one person of God

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For us their is one God, "THE father" 1 Corinthians chapter eight

The Trinity doctrine is not biblical John 17:3 says “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” Jesus says Eternal life is to know Two individuals himself and his Father who is the Only true God He didn’t mention a third person

Proof of the Trinity is no further away than a look in the mirror and some self-contemplation. Genesis says let _Us_ create Man(kind) in _Our_ image. We are also triune beings, with body, soul, and spirit. All three are _you._

@GodsChild25

Жыл бұрын

But that doesn't make u three separate beings though

@scottsprowl7484

10 ай бұрын

Wisdom was with God from the beginning. Proverbs 8

Because it is biblical and very easy to prove.

@eddielasowsky7777

3 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid not

@144lukey

3 жыл бұрын

its a no from me

@jasonrobert851

3 жыл бұрын

@@144lukey but it is

Are you saying that God died on the cross?

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

God the son

The prophets of the Old Testament were informed by God Himself that He was the only God. “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.” (Deut. 32:39 [KJV]) Other self-proclaiming passages of the singularity of God include Isaiah 43:10-11; 44:6-8; 45:21; 46:9; Hosea 13:4 and Joel 2:27. Meanwhile, there are many verses spoken by the prophets which proclaim God’s singularity such as: Deuteronomy 4:35, 39; 6:4; 2 Samuel 7:22; 1 Kings 8:60; 2 Kings 5:15; 19:15; 1 Chronicles 17:20; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 18:31; 86:10; Isaiah 37:16, 20 and Zechariah 14:9. So the Israelites were convinced to believe that God was a single Person. Because polytheism surrounded Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the belief in a single God was highly unusual. The freedom of religion as you wanted to believe was commonplace. The time the Israelites spent in Egypt was characterized by their religion known as the cult of Yahweh, originally thought as a tribal god of the Semites. Coming out of Egypt, learning of the laws of Moses and then by the time of the Israelite monarchies, the threat of polytheism was invading their belief in Yahweh as a single God; it became a threat to their national survival. God brought His prophets in to continually reassure them that these other gods were not real and that He was the only true God.

@austin3789

3 жыл бұрын

Well, except, Jesus himself, accepted the existence of other gods, who formed a council of God and we're called God's sons. John 10:34 (Psalms 82:1,6). Sons of God who existed at the foundation of the world (Job 38:4-7).

Imagine Pilate offering Jesus freedom in exchange for His emperor ( Tiberius ) dictating what he & his disciples should believe! Sounds like preposterous! But that is exactly what took place in Constantine's pagan summer palace in 325ce. Tired of the cattacombs the 'chirstians' in Rome allowed the roman empire ( responsible for Christ's death!) to consolidate the 'trinity'. Honestly could God have blessed such a compromise? ( And that saw just the start of Apostacy.

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

Read the Scriptures again.

The (trinity) is not only a perverse corrupt idle vain word of confusion not found in the book of the LORD, it is a doctrine of devils and a damnable heresy! Those who believe in the damnable heresy they call (Trinity) find it hard to understand and almost impossible to preach using words found only in the holy scripture. And yet the preaching of Jesus as the only wise God and Saviour, the blessed and only Potentate, the everlasting Father, the Almighty can be understood by a child. 2 Timothy 3:15-17 [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 [3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Exodus 3:13-14 [13] And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? [14] And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:56-58 [56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. [57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Isaiah 45:21-23 [21] Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. [22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. [23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Job 13:8-10 [8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? [9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? [10] He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons. John 14:8-9 [8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. [9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 8:24-27 [24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. [25] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. [26] I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. [27] They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28-29 [28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Revelation 1:7-8 [7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 1 Timothy 6:14-16 [14] That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: [15] Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; [16] Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

18:48 You touched on something I've been saying to anti-trinitarian JW's for years... If Jesus isn't God, then His sacrifice on the cross is _insufficient_ to save anyone.

@annbrucepineda8093

Жыл бұрын

"Liar, lunatic or Lord?" For me, Jesus is Lord and all He said is true.

@changstein

Жыл бұрын

Jesus is the "image of the invisible God" (col. 1:25), not God. A question i like to ask is - If Christ IS God, then why did Christ pray so desperately to the actual God in the garden of gethsemane? Why even ask God to spare you if you are God Himself?

@changstein

Жыл бұрын

@@annbrucepineda8093 This is a fact - but Christ never claimed to be God.

@raybrensike42

Жыл бұрын

But what if his sacrifice on the cross was enough to save because he is God's only begotten sinless Son, having had his being exactly as the Father himself is, having been in the form of God from eternity, and being the Son of God and the son of man? What if that was enough according to God's plan?....or are we saying the same thing?

There was a division over who Jesus was when he walked the earth and there still is to this day. (John 7:12, 40-43/John 9:16, 17/John 10:19-21) So, many claim Christ, but why so many denominations in Christ? That goes against God and Christ (1 Corinthians 1:10-15) So, please read and study the scriptures sited until the end. I will explain all “Jesus is God proof texts” Psalm 110:10 states: The LORD/YHWH said to my (King David) Lord (Jesus) sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool. Jesus the servant (Acts 3:13, 26) and lamb (John 1:29) of God obeyed God even to death. (Philippians 2:5-11) Jesus is the image of God (Colossians 1:15/2 Corinthians 4:3, 4) as Adam was made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26, 27/Luke 3:38) Jesus being the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45) see we took on the first Adams image and likeness (Genesis 5:3/Romans 5:12-21/1 Corinthians 15:20-22) but God has made provisions thru Jesus Christ and we are allowed to be children of God if we believe in the one God sent (John 1:12/2 Corinthians 5:18) Jesus spoke what God told him to speak (John 12:49, 50/Deuteronomy 18:18/Isaiah 51:16) the apostles never taught Jesus was God/YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah neither did Jesus himself (Luke 24:19/Acts 2:22/John 14:10, 11/1 Corinthians 8:5, 6/1 Timothy 2.5/John 17:3/Mark 12:28-34) bottom line is Jesus is our king and the Son of God (Matthew 16:13-17) Zero scriptures say you must believe Jesus is God, but there are scriptures that say you must believe he is the Son of God. (1 John 5:5, 9-13) also Jesus was a Jew, the Jews needed convincing of no longer needing the circumcision to be justified in the eyes of God. (Romans 3, 4/Acts 15/Galatians 2) but there are zero scriptures to convince the Jews of a 3 in 1 God or that Jesus is or was God. Besides Jesus didn’t exist until being placed in the womb of the Virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18-21/Luke 1:35) by the Holy Spirit which comes from heaven (1 Peter 1:12) (formed in the womb Isaiah 49:5) God is Jesus’s God from the womb but not before b/c Jesus didn’t exist yet (Psalm 22:10) and since Jesus didn’t exist until the womb no one was worthy in heaven on earth or under the earth until Jesus (Revelation 5:1-14) Since Jesus is of the Holy Spirit (which comes from heaven 1 Peter 1:12) this is why Jesus can rightly say he is from heaven and not made of the earth (John 8:23) like the first Adam Genesis 2:7 Recall Noah walked the earth before it was destroyed by the flood. Genesis chapters 6-9. So Noah walked the old earth and the New earth after he came out of the ark. Same with Jesus (Micah 5:2 from the old age, some say from eternity past/John 1:10) Jesus walked the old earth before the foundation of the New earth/world which was laid in his blood/made thru Jesus by God. (Isaiah 51:16/2 Corinthians 5:17/Psalm 65:17) This also helps explain the glory Jesus shared with God before the new world John 17:5 these scriptures help show how he shared such glory while walking the old earth. John 1:14/John 2:11/John 11:4 “Jesus is God proof texts” debunked. JOHN 8:58 ego eimi means “I am he” not “I AM!” It is said by healed blind man at John 9:9, angel Gabriel at Luke 1:19, apostle Peter at Acts 10:21. It is not a claim to deity or being God. Jesus was simply stating he is first in all things (Colossians 1:15, 17, 18/Revelation 5/Acts 26:23) even before Abraham in the resurrection. Remember the first will be last and the last first. (Luke 13:29, 30) JOHN 20:28 “My Lord and My God” Jesus revealed God to them/him for God was with Jesus (John 1:18/Matthew 11:27/Luke 10:22/2 Corinthians 4:3, 4/Acts 10:38/John 8:29/John 16:32/John 14:19, 20) JOHN 1:1 could be translated “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. And what God was/is the Word was/is. So, what is God? God is Spirit (John 4:24) and Jesus was raised in the Spirit (1 Peter 3:18) and we know Jesus is Spirit because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 15:50) also John 1:1 is a prologue , meaning it tells WHAT happened, before it tells HOW it happened. So, at the time of John writing his gospel Jesus has already ascended and is already at the right hand of God. Because he (Jesus) was obedient even to death (Philippians 2:8-11) That is why (Jesus) was/is with God. And while Jesus was on earth God was with him. (See above about JOHN 20:28 note) Then John 1:6 begins the explanation of how it all happened. It is the same with Genesis chapters 1 and 2. And the Tower of Babel if you read the chapter before the story of Babel it tells how they left each with their own language then they tell how it all happened. Genesis chapter 10 and 11. JOHN 1:3 explains these verses (Colossians 1:16/Luke 22:28-30/Revelation 1:5/Revelation 5:9, 10) The new beginning that God created, is laid in Christ blood (Isaiah 51:16/2 Corinthians 5:17/Galatians 6:14, 15) Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8) the apostles were chosen before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4) what the apostles were speaking about was the New creation (Hebrews 2:5) All of this is about the beginning, but the beginning of the new creation which is laid in Christ Jesus. JOHN 1:4, 5 explains John 5:19-23, 26/John 8:12/John 11:25/John 14:6/1 Corinthians 15:45 Philippians 2:5-11 explains Jesus who was created perfect in God’s image/form just as Adam was (1 Corinthians 15:45) but lowered himself/humbled himself to resemble our sinful state since we are in Adams image (Genesis 5:3) if Jesus were God and we are to have the same mindset as Jesus then we are to think we are equal with God? Acts 20:28 God is Spirit he did not purchase the church with his own blood, God doesn’t have blood, but the Son of God did. This is a scribal error or scribes trying to influence their own doctrine or ideas (which is well documented) as with 1 Timothy 3:16/Romans 9:5/Titus 2:13/Hebrews 1:8/Psalm 45:6 (your throne is God which makes sense when Revelation 3:21 is read) Matthew 28:19 (no other scripture says to baptize in any name but Jesus) 1 John 5:7/Jude 5 it was God not Jesus who saved the people from Egypt. It was Jesus who shed his blood and died (Romans 8:34) God cannot die. In fact God left Jesus during his death precisely because the Spirit of God cannot die. Mark 15:34. I’ll end with this scripture John 4:22

@raybrensike42

Жыл бұрын

The reason for many different denominations is quite natural, really. Was the church at Corinth the same as the one at Galatia? Certainly, every group will be or become a bit different than any other, but what we don't want is wrong doctrine or practices.

Matt 20:23b. Jesus can’t give his apostles a place at the table, because that’s his fathers to give. Proves they are not the same person. Do you believe God sent his son, (John 3:16). Or do you think God came, even though he explicitly said it was his son? Do you believe scripture or not? Jesus doesn’t know the time of the end, only his father knows. Matt 24:36.

@cloudsvideos2405

3 жыл бұрын

All your anaysis is true, but those words of the Lord Jesus are when He was still a God living in human flesh(that time he was limited in power)... after His resurection He said God the father gave him all the Authority in heaven and earth...

If you want to convince others of the Trinity, you must find ALL scripture for the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit within the pages of the OT, so that what is said in the NT is confirmed, and not something added. I noticed you found scripture for the Father and Holy Spirit in the OT, but not about God the Son. If you look carefully, you will find the Son in the OT. One of the most common passages to find Jesus in the OT is the Triune blessing in Numbers. This blessing confirms the Trinity, the Triune nature of God. Each verse is preceded by the word, LORD, which is in all capital letters, which means it is the name of God in Hebrew. The first refers to the Father, who is the One to bless us. The second refers to the Son, because the only face we've see of God's is Jesus face, and because Jesus is the one who brought Grace to believers. The third verse is God the Holy Spirit, because He is the bringer of Peace in your heart, He is called the "Comforter" and He is the lifter of our Countenance (Joy of the Spirit). The Lord bless thee, and keep thee: The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. Numbers 6:24-26 | KJV

I find it very strange for this third divine being called God the Holy Spirit to be Co-Equal with The Father and the Son having all the attributes of them both yet He has no name He’s not mentioned at all in some landmark verses in John like John 1:1,John 3:16,John 8:17-18, John 10:30,John 17:3 He’s not mentioned at all in the greetings or beginning of Paul epistles mainly this: “Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.” No prophets in the Old or New Testament has seen him in vision, the Angels in Heaven never worshipped him they only worshipped the Father and the Son(Rev 5:1-14) yet you try to convince someone of a Triune God? Lastly How is the Holy Spirit related to the Father and the Son? For a example; God is related to Jesus in that he is his Father, so what’s the Holy Spirit relation to them?

@HomoEucharistica

10 ай бұрын

It's usually understood that Holy Spirit bears witness to the Son, and the Son bears witness to the Father. This is why Holy Spirit appears to be less observable in the Scriptures, though He is working throughout the world history until these days. Jesus did not speak about Himself but about His Father, and similarly Holy Spirit does not introduce Himself but glorifies the Son and the Father. This does not mean, however, that Holy Spirit doesn't appear in the Bible - He just operates more in the background in silence. In Acts 28:26, St Paul states that Holy Spirit spoke through Isaiah, saying *_"Go to this people and say: 'Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand'"_* etc. But in John 12:40-41, the speaker appears to be Christ whom Isaiah saw. And in Isaiah 6:9 (where these words appear) the speaker is definitely Yahweh who is usually seen as God the Father... The only occasions when the Holy Spirit is particularly seen are in creation (Gen. 1:2), in the baptism of Jesus (Mark 1:10), and at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-3). And if you think about it, the Father has no name either. Only the Son has a name, Jesus, but Triune God is called Yahweh since that's the name He has given to Himself. Furthermore, Holy Spirit is mentioned in the ending benediction in the epistles like this, *_"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all"_* (2 Cor. 13:14). Not to mention that Christians are commanded to make disciples by baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). It's also written that Holy Spirit can be grieved (Eph. 4:30), that He said to Antiochian Christians *_"Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them"_* (Acts 13:2), and that you can blaspheme against the Holy Spirit (Matt. 12:31-32). These and many similar passages implies that Holy Spirit is truly a divine person of the Godhead.

6:34 It is true that YHWH is the name of God in Tetragrammaton but there is no vowel SOUNDS there. So you cannot say YAHWEH.

With all the explaining the spirit is not a person its spirit God spirit not separate from the father are the son

There is only ONE, God.

Everyone who believes in the trinity is really going to have a problem come judgement day for teaching false doctrine. The trinity is always taught into scripture but never once from it. Jesus said to be like children and taught so children could understand. There is no understanding in a trinity. In fact, once upon a time if you didn't believe in the trinity, you were either executed or persecuted.

@frick6946

3 жыл бұрын

teaching against the correctness of the doctrine of the Trinity is actually false doctrine. It is false doctrine to say that the Trinity is not correct. I John 5:7 There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. John 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God 2 the same was in the beginning with God. John 10:30 ( Jesus speaking). " I and my Father are one"

Trinity doctrine essential to the Church?.....More essential than Romans 14?....More essential than the gospel itself?

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

Howcan you rate essentiality

im amazed when so called christians try to defend the roman pagan trinity, any true christian or anyone who is not a christian, when upon reading the scriptures can clearly see that there was in the begining one almighty God, then scriptures say he created his first born and called him his son and through him created evetything else, and then later on sent his son to the earth in flesh so as to save mankind, now jesus always obeyed his father and always did his fathers will, and for that he would rule the kingdom for a thousand years then hand it back to WHO, oh yea the father,,,, the spirit is justs God power which permiates the world which jesus and the apostles were allowed to use, the spirit is not a person as it can be poured out , can be fire etc. Stop forcing pagan doctrine on people

@michaelwill7811

3 жыл бұрын

"...anyone who is not a christian, when upon reading the scriptures can clearly see that..." I am not sure how many true Christians would make this statement given that Scripture speaks directly to this: 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

History of the Trinity perfectly explained in the book “The Exposition of the Seven Church Ages” by William Branham from Branham.org

Christianity begin in Acts 2 All Christian in the bible are the followers and believers of Jesus Christ All Christian in the bible are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ including Paul All Christian in the bible are speak in Tongues and prophecies including Paul Jesus said he who believe and is baptized shall be saved mark16: 16 (17) And this signed shall follow them that believe in my name they shall cash out devil they shall speak in new tongues Jesus said To his Disciples for you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, BUT TO THEM it is not given (Mat 13:11) Peter said Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of Sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost Acts 2: 38 Paul said did you received the Holy Since you believe..? What then were you Baptized..? Acts 19:1-7 Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed (Gal 1: 8)

A big issue with the trinity. If each person of the trinity is God then each person is three persons? Is God a burning bush? Is God a man? God can be what God chooses to be. God is not limited as we are. If you went to someone's house and fixed their plumbing. They would call you a plumber. If you went to another house and fixed there lights. They would call you an electrician. If you went to another house and fixed the AC. They would call you an AC repair technician. But could you do all three at the same time? God could. The bible tells us it is God that became flesh. We are told the Logos was God. The next question is what is Logos? Is plan a better translation than Word. Or even thought, idea. In the beginning was the plan the plan was with God the plan was God .... the plan became flesh. The plan was slain before the foundation of the world. Never our we told that a person who was God but not another God was with God.

Do Jews believe the Trinity? Weren’t all the authors of the Bible Jews?

This is a theological issue for more advanced Bible students or scholars. Trust me, the average Bible believing God fearing human being has no clue how it is or what to do with it. For some years I tried explaining this to family, friends and whoever and it went either "woosh" - right over their heads or (as I realized in time) it didn't matter. Some arguments but not many. It's too complicated. At one point I was myself getting confused by the whole concept because it's not something you can live by. You cannot bring into prayer because it is a distracting thought. It does not help me or anyone to live a life that pleases God. I did realize one thing. Most Christians depend on their respective authorities to assure them of it's truth and validity. I had time because I'm single but most Christians have to take the doctrine for granted. Is it truth? No. It's a theory to try and explain the explainable. Because of it's dependence on authority (learned men) it can and has been used as a way of sustaining the power of the church. Much like people are dependent on the authority figures in the modern cathedrals of Oxford, Stanford and Harvard for the truth about global warming or various social issues. When I pray to God I have no abstract idea about a trinity. The God I plead to in my worst moments was a singular God who I trusted fully to take me where I need to be. And he answered my prayers. I didn't even consider the fact that this God I was praying to through this pain included Jesus and the holy spirit! If Trinitarians want to believe Jesus is in that Godhead then so be it. It has no bearing in my life or the life I live for God. "At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." - Matthew 11:25

@billwolff3763

3 жыл бұрын

Snaphaan Yes it is beyond human comprehension as are all spiritual matters but we do have guidance for our needs. Some considered reading of the Gospel of Matthew chapters 1, 2 and 3 would give some help.

@Faith_Over_Fear_OG

3 жыл бұрын

Why would Jesus say "If you deny Me before men, I will deny you before the Father." He has divinity as God does.

@henrybarrick7205

2 жыл бұрын

After studying the issue for myself, I've ended up roughly were you are with it. I've always prayed to one person (God) through Jesus (His son). John 17:3. God has exalted Jesus high above all else. He is the express image of God. Jesus is my Lord. There is one Lord and one God the father who is above all.(Ephesians 4 paraphrase). Praise the Lord! Praise God! My Lord and my God! If youve seen Jesus, you've seen the father.

If it is essential, what is it essential for? The reason I ask, is because I was among tens of thousands of born-again Christians who spoke in tongues, interpreted, and prophesied so much amazing edification by way of exhortation and comfort, as led by the Holy Spirit, which told us of the heart of our heavenly Father to us, and testified of Jesus Christ and his salvation, and not one of them ever promoted the Trinity doctrine, not one. This of course was in a Christian cult, and back in 1980, it seemed I had to go to a Christian cult to receive into manifestation the Holy Spirit. I had never heard of tongues in my Lutheran church at all, (except that on very rare occasion, they admit that it happened in the Bible, in Acts.) in the 60's and 70's, and I had not been attending any kind of church since the early 70's. However, there were some Christians my age that came and knocked on the door of my apartment building who spoke of "The Word" all the time, and I could get that they were speaking of God's written word, the Bible, as well as of Christ himself who is both God and the Word of God. He was also The Word, or God, who was with God from the beginning. (see John 1) It was from these born-again Christians that I heard what I needed to hear in order for me to also receive the new birth, as evidenced to me, by speaking in tongues. I too moved on to interpret what I spoke in a tongue for the edification of everyone present, and also moved on to prophecy for the same purpose as a service to God and to others, which was a part of my reasonable service as commanded by Paul's gospel. So I ask, if the Trinity doctrine is essential, what is it essential for? Understand that no man can speak in tongues by his natural human ability alone. He must receive the new birth by Jesus Christ, who is the giver of the Holy Spirit. He is the one who baptizes in the Holy Spirit, right? So if the Trinity doctrine is essential, what is it essential for? Isn't it up to God to decide who he receives into the Body of Christ, and isn't it also up to him as to whom he pours out the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and isn't it up to him to decide whom he accepts, regardless of their religious doctrines?

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

It seems you believe in Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I think you are misunderstanding the definition of essential

Ok we have the the holy spirit the father & the son are god ,this is one of many arrangements you can use if they are coequal . They all are not each other ,one calls the shots , one dies for our sins , one retires Gabriel as God's messenger so he goes disgruntled and starts Islam .I could go on all day with this 1 . But this messes up the firing order so now to make sense we put it father ,son ,& holy spirit . Since they are all God let's see what his word says about it . 1) God : John 4:24 God is a - . This makes the father, & son _ . Lev. 21:8, & 1st Peter 1:16 God said-. Add this now the father, & son are _ _ . After all they are all God. 2) Father : De.32:6, John 14:7 & 9 the father and son are the _ ? The holy spirit has some explaining to do. 3) Son: Pro. 30:4 & Acts 1:9- 11 _ .What's with this? 4) holy spirit : Luke 11:13 & Acts 2:38 the holy spirit is_ . And a _ of the trinity ? 2nd Peter 1:20 & 21 is in all Bibles yes even the Jehovah Witness Bible page 1627 New World Translation . God is alive & well in Jesus name not cold & dead like the trinity which gave birth to Islam . Example : The Catholics were the 1st ones . In Quran we read sura 5:116 ,117, 5:73, 75, 4:171, 19:16-19 , so on . In the military we call this collateral damage!!

@Episcopalianacolyte

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Interesting. But not true.

Trinity is not biblical. It's polytheism under a different name.

@frick6946

3 жыл бұрын

Trinity is Biblically and doctrinally correct. The Trinity states that there are 3 separate entities, yet One God. I John 5;7 There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father , the Word and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. John 1:1,2. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God 2 the same was in the beginning with God. Revelation 19:13 And He was clothed in a vesture dipped in blood; and His name is called the Word of God.

Well, in Genesis God said they would make man in their image. So, we are the same make up. A body (flesh), a soul (the father) and a spirit (born spiritually dead) . When God came to earth in bodily form, he chose to come via a virgin human woman. He came into her by his spirit and will. He was born and died for our sins. Normally until now God is in eternity (outside our space and time) so it is difficult to comprehend, but He is able to be here and there at the same time. But He is just one God, one person, just as we are. But we are limited unlike him.

@78LedHead

2 жыл бұрын

They in that instance is not the trinity. It's God the sole creator talking to his heavenly host.... the sons of god.... the holy ones. If elohim is only the trinity, then you have God arguing with himself in other passages. Elohim was used to describe human spirits, angels, and demons in other places. It's simply a place of residence term meaning disembodied spirit realm. Job clears this up when God talks about the morning stars singing for joy as He created. It's called divine plurality. God's divine council. We've lost this in our western context.

@Episcopalianacolyte

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@@78LedHead since the Elohim are found 1,500 times in the Old Testament and 0 in the New Testament, we know that JESUS was not just a GOD. The original Greek word THEOS is used for JESUS and always refers to the Creator. It cannot be anything else. John 1 : 1, John 20 : 28 are two such places where JESUS is THEOS. The lack of a article before THEOS doesn't change the meaning because St. John is consistent in his lack of the article. Mathew 1 : 25 uses THEOS as well. And since THEOS only applies to the creator, St.Mathew says JESUS is GOD. So the self proclaiming anointed members of the Governing Board, or the Apostles of CHRIST?

The lord is one lord .not 3 .God is not a father without being a creator .he is not a son without being found in creation .the Word the (Father of creation )became as son in creation .in subordination .

1]WHAT DOES ONE MEAN? - LORD JESUS prayed that we should be one, just as the father and Jesus are one, this does not mean WE,GOD AND JESUS are only one person:- [john 17;11,21-23 ]...that they may be one as we are one [john 17:21-23 ]...that they all may be one as thou Father art in me and I in thee that they also may be one in us AND [gal 3:28]there is neither Jew nor Greek ...bond nor free...male nor female but ye are all one in Christ Jesus 2]who is our GOD? AND WHO IS HIS SON? :- [act 3:13]The GOD of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob has glorified his SON JESUS ]. act 5:30The god of our fathers raised up Jesus...[31] him hath God exalted with his right hand.... act 4:24-30].... God ....the people..gathered together against the LORD and against his Christ..and of a truth against thy holy child Jesus We have ONE GOD,the Father OF whom are all things, and we IN him, and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, BY whom are all things,and we BY him [cori8:6 ;eph4:4,5; col1:12-18;heb1:1-3]. GOD is our heavenly father who is in heaven[Mat 6:9,5:45] LORD Jesus was with GOD before the world was made[john 1:2,17:5,24] Jesus is the [one and] only BEGOTTEN SON of GOD [john 3:16,18;1john 4:9]. 3] Why was Jesus sent to the world?:-GOD sent his SON into the world [ john 3:17, 8:42, 5:24, 11:42, 15:2416:25,1john 4:9,19]as a propitiation[1john 2:2,4:10;rom 3:25] to give forgiveness of sins[acts 5:31,13:38-39,26:18; rom3 :25,8:3;1john 4:10].we are reconciled to GOD by the death of his SON [rom 5:10,1pet 3:18]having made peace through the blood of his cross[col 1:20;rom 5:1-10] 4 ]who raised Jesus from the dead?:- GOD THE FATHER raised up our LORD JESUS from the dead[acts 2:23,24,33, 5:30-32,13:37-39;rom 6:4,10:9,4:24]. 5] where is Jesus now?:- LORD JESUS is seated at the right hand of GOD THE FATHER[rom 8:34,acts 7:55-56]and intercedes for us[1john 2:1,rom 8:34]. 6]GOD OUR FATHER has appointed his son as the HEIR of this world [heb 1:2; rom 8:17 ] 7] God is going to judge this earth through his SON LORD JESUS [ rom 2:16; acts 17:24-31,john 5:22 ]. 8]We should honor the SON even as we honor the FATHER[john 5:23,1john 2:22-25 ,17:3 ]. 9] [1john 2:22]....he is antichrist that denieth the Father and the SON [1JOHN 4:2-3]Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come of the flesh is of God....and every spirit that confesseth not....is that spirit of antichrist 10]if we say GOD and JESUS is only one person,you cannot say GOD SENT HIS SON TO SAVE THE WORLD

@frick6946

3 жыл бұрын

3 separate entities in the Triune Godhead, and yet they are One God.

Nowhere in the teachings of Jews is the doctrine of the trinity. If God is indeed a trinity, they were wrong for almost 3000 years. How can that be when they were the special nation of God?

@frick6946

3 жыл бұрын

In Genesis, it says " Let us make man in Our image"

@78LedHead

2 жыл бұрын

They also rejected the messiah, so, what are you trying to say?

The Apostles were Binitarians. There is only one God and Father who is an omnipresent Spirit. He cannot have two distinctly different spirits. Does a man have two spirits? Neither does God. Jesus spoke of Himself in the third person often. He said He is the Spirit of Truth and the Comforter, reread John 14:18-21 for yourself. His Spirit, which is the Father's Spirit that He gave to Him when He ascended (Acts 2:33), is the Spirit which is given to seal the Believer, not another spirit of another god. God and His Son alone occupy the Throne throughout Scripture, no third person there. 2 Corinthians 5:16 NASB95 … *_even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer._* John 14:18-21 KJV I will not leave you comfortless: *_I will come to you._* John 14:21,23 KJV … *_I will love him, and will manifest myself to him._* [23] … If a man love me, … my Father will love him, *_and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him._* 1 John 5:20 KJV And we know that the Son of God is come, … that we may know him that is true, and *_we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life._* John 17:22 KJV And *_the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:_* Ephesians 4:6 KJV *_One God and Father of all,_* who is above all, and through all, and *_in you all._* 1 Corinthians 6:17 KJV … *_he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit._* 2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV *_Now the Lord is that Spirit:_* …

Egyptian and Indian religions have triune gods. So the idea is definitely not unique to Christianity.

Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD GOD said, "Adam has now become like one of US, making himself judge of good and evil. Let him not stretch out his hand to take and eat from the tree of life as well, and live FOREVER ." It indicates that there is a plurality of persons in one God. Also THEY are able to live forever. Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let US make man in our image, according to OUR likeness. Let them have DOMINION over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, over the cattle, over all the wild animals, and over all living things that creep along the ground." Here man is created in THEIR image and likeness. THEY gave man dominion. These are the most clearest examples of the Holy Trinity: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They have one spiritual body occupied by all three of them. It is true that they have an order among them: first the Father, then the Son and then the Holy Spirit. It is like the Father is the head, Jesus Christ is his right hand and the Holy Spirit is his left hand. They have existed that way before the creation of time. But movement is possible out of this body as Jesus did. One body, One soul, One Spirit and 3 persons. Consciousness is a manifestation of the spirit. The order of manifestation of their spirit is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. That why there is a preference towards the Father, then the Son and then the Spirit. This is a part of this mystery. Hope it helps. That is why Jesus is called Son, since he came forth from the spiritual body to take human form. He was never created . That's why he said : I am before Abraham was. Hope that helps. God is ONE being existing simultaneously as THREE different persons .

@XcrossMotovlogs

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, says let Us make man in OUR image, look at Genesis 18, 3 men visit Abram 2 of them are angels, who is the 3rd man and why can Abram look upon His face vs when Moses sees God, but cannot look upon His face? God had to come in his Jesus form when He visited Abram, ...also notice how Abram washed his feet and gave Him supper, and what does Jesus do His last night for His disciples... God is awesome, thank you Jesus

@voidremoved

3 жыл бұрын

God has a staff team. Remember? So it does not definitely indicate plurality of persons in one God. There is no death in Heaven, all who dwell there have everlasting life. Back when Adam was around, Eden was still a place on Earth. A little piece of Heaven. If you gnaw on Jesus you can live forever too you know? There is more than 3 pieces to God, the trinity are just the main ones. The ones that are personalities you can interact with. For example, there is God's Wisdom too but it apparently is not a personality, it is an aspect that comes out of the trinity. Like you have the Word and inside the word there is wisdom...

@voidremoved

3 жыл бұрын

but first you must be born again

@voidremoved

3 жыл бұрын

the Divine Council kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2Wmw8tvh9K1erg.html

@4321grp

3 жыл бұрын

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. HT, You came up with 2 verses that seem plural, but there are many more verses than two where God refers to Himself as one single God. including more than 11,000 singular 1st person pronouns referring to God. Also in Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 3:22 Do you really believe that God didn't have anyone else to talk to? Job 1:6 refers to angels as Sons of God, so therefore angels also were created in God's image. There were times when people saw angels and didn't realize that they were angels and not men, so therefore Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 3:22 can not be used to claim God consists of three persons because He was speaking to a Trinity; The Trinity is a manmade idol which causes Christians to break the first Commandment, It's a commandment of men, and was inspired by the devil. The Trinity was a pagan concept believed by Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome and all the countries surrounding Israel.

There is no trinity. There is one God the father of all who has a divine son named Jesus Christ and the holy spirit is Gods and Jesus's character, power and omnipresence. Theres no trinity when the holy spirit is literally the Fathers spirit

No. Paganism and Islam do not have God as love, as primary nature or consistent.

Everyone here needs to go listen to Dr. Michael Heiser explain the divine council to you. We've lost it here in the West. The writers of the Bible clearly understood it. It saddens me to see almost everyone here thinking "plural elohim" is simply the trinity. If that's the case, then you also have God arguing with himself later on in scripture. It's simply the divine council/heavenly host. God is the sole creator, the heavenly host sang for joy and watched as He created. In the book of Job, God explains this perfectly. I won't quote verses. Check out Heiser if you want CORRECT information, or, stay stuck in your Western denominational context which ISN'T the context of the Bible. I am a trinitarian, as is Dr. Heiser. So don't think I'm arguing against that. There is only one Most High God, but he CLEARLY has a divine council of other heavenly beings who he lets participate with Him (just like he allows us to participate as well). Heiser has the most clear headed theology I've ever heard in modern times. He knows the ancient languages backwards and forwards. Oftentimes our misunderstandings stem from SIMPLE grammar errors.

The holy spirt scriptures are god active force. Jesus is the son of god who died for our sins to give us a second chance....If what you are saying is true... god sent himself as his son on earth to cheat to humans because god is perfect and can not lie to sacrifice himself? Then who is governing the kingdom of 144,000 angels? The trinity doctrine still contradicts itself repeadly. It paganism origin says it all. We christians should not engage with pagan beliefs. We have a simpler solution. We pray to god through Jesus christ. Any scriptures you see about holy spirit is gods active force. Jesus is governing the 144,000 angels untill the ladt days. All scriptures align with this and it makes common sense plus its clarity to undestand is unmatched compared to the trinity and you will still be following the bible! Tell me I am wrong

the word Bible is not in the Bible. Hence to say that the word trinity is not in the bible hence it is not true, is a fallacy

The concept of trinity is very wrong. It is a word that was invented by the Roman Catholic. Early Christians are unaware of this word. "CO-equal and co-eternal in one essence". That will contradict what Jesus said in John 15:28 “Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”

The (Trinitarians) shall die in their sins. The (Trinity) is not only a vain, idle, perverse, corrupt, word of confusion and the word is not only not found in the book of the LORD'S holy scriptures, but the doctrine of the (Trinity) is also a lie, a doctrine of devils and damnable heresy. Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 2Peters 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Jesus is the only wise God and Saviour, the blessed and only Potentate, the Almighty and he is known by many names. God is a Spirit, a Holy Spirit and when he was manifested in the flesh he was known as the Son of God and the Son of man. The (he) that was manifested to take away our sins in 1John 3:5 is the (Father) in 1John 3 line 1: 1John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Jesus is the Father, the everlasting Father, the Almighty: John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Exodus 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 1Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

There is no 3 Persons. God the Father is not a person. He is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a person. It’s the Spirit of God.

So if Jesus is God why did Satan offer all the dominions of the earth to Jesus all he had to do is bow and perform an act of worship to Satan and Jesus stated it is Yahweh mi father you must do obeyiance to,after all Satan (lucifer) also is a fallen son of God so it's obvious that Satan knew that Jesus wasn't God almighty.

@texashoosier7318

4 жыл бұрын

Lucifer isn't Satan.

@michaelbryanlaodvm4344

4 жыл бұрын

Because satan is stupid

@cloudsvideos2405

3 жыл бұрын

Satan is a Liar, Let says he is selling a house that he doest own 🤣

@Eben_Haezer

3 жыл бұрын

because he is the god of this world. 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. when Adam sinned it's fallen from him. Jesus came to redeem humans and his creation. Rom 8:21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

@frick6946

3 жыл бұрын

Satan did know Jesus was one with God the Father; that's why Satan tried hard to get Jesus to sin. But Satan never got Jesus to sin because Jesus never sinned. I John 5:7. There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God 2 the same was in the beginning with God. John 10:30 ( Jesus speaking) " I and my Father are one" 3 separate entities, yet they are One God. Trinity is biblically and doctrinally correct.

We (Indonesian Christian) believe in Allah.

@Ranger1985.

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a mistake, since Allah is not Yehovah and the Qur'an says Allah has no son, whereas the Tanakh says that Yehovah does.

@maineiax

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ranger1985. Beware of the Hebrew roots movement with Rabbis promoting Christianity as they are not the Hebrews of the OT but are the people of Rev 2.9. They have infiltrated the ecclisia and are leading Christians to hell. ia800805.us.archive.org/20/items/TheTalmudUnmaskedTheSecretRabbinicalTeachingsConcerningChristiansByRev.I.B.Pranaitis/The%20Talmud%20Unmasked%20The%20Secret%20Rabbinical%20Teachings%20Concerning%20Christians%20by%20Rev.%20I.%20B.%20Pranaitis.pdf ia600501.us.archive.org/1/items/TheBabylonianTalmudcompleteSoncinoEnglishTranslation/The-Babylonian-Talmud-Complete-Soncino-English-Translation.pdf

@canderssonswedican7486

3 жыл бұрын

You believe in, all let, the demon God of Muhammad's tribe? I on the other hand I believe in Yah. - the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last the Beginning and the End.

@shunoinori

3 жыл бұрын

@@canderssonswedican7486 Allah is just a synonym for God. Otherwise they also call him Tuhan. No need to get uppity about this.

@canderssonswedican7486

3 жыл бұрын

@@shunoinori .....A problem for the Muslim. Surah 6:34, "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers." Surah 6:115, "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all." Surah 18:27, "And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him." ......Since the Quran says that none can change the words of Allah, then the name of God, YHWH, also pronounced as Yahweh, cannot be altered. It must be his true name. In fact, the word "Yahweh" occurs more than 6000 times in the Old Testament. Why does the Quran not proclaim the name that God himself proclaimed? Isaiah 42:8, "I am the LORD [YHWH], that is My name. I will not give My glory to another, nor My praise to graven images." Psalm 30:4, "Sing praise to the LORD, you His godly ones, and give thanks to His holy name." Daniel 2:20, "Daniel said, “Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever, for wisdom and power belong to Him." ......Perhaps the Bible gives us a clue about those who do not promote the name of God. Jeremiah 23:26-27 , "How long? Is there anything in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even these prophets of the deception of their own heart, who intend to make My people forget My name by their dreams which they relate to one another, just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal?" ....Question .....If, as Muslims teach, they have the true revelation of God in the Quran, and if it is also true that none can alter the words of Allah (Surah 6:34, 115; 18:27), then surely in the Old Testament, which Muhammad said was the true word of God (Dawood - 35:31; Ali - 29:46 ), when God revealed his name by his own action and voice (Exodus 3:14; Isaiah 42:8), then it cannot be altered and that is the name of God, the true God. ……Why do the Muslims ignore his holy name? And worse why do those who call themselves Christian in Indonesia follow the Muslims rules?

Jesus is not God or a god. Mark 12:28-32, John 17:3, John 20:17, Rom 15:6, Rom 16:27, I Cor 8:6, II Cor 11:31, I Tim 2:5, Rev 3:2, Rev 3:12, and many others.

Jesus said “If your brother won’t listen to the church Treat him as an outsider.” Mt 18:17 The Roman Catholic Church teaches the TRINITY.

@Episcopalianacolyte

2 жыл бұрын

The Roman Catholic Church didn't invent the TRINITY. Throughout the scriptures, the concept of the TRINITY is found as the video shows. To be a Christian, the TRINITY is one of the most important beliefs.

allah is not even spirit.....he is a shin and I am not joking, clearly a different being from Christian GOD

It's not essential at all. Contrary to the trinity doctrine, the almighty God cannot be here, because He would be expected to A) be free to decide and B) know the future. But having at the same time both abilities is logically impossible. This is why we have the Son of God: He does NOT know the future. The Son of God was the Father in a remote past, when He still had his power.

@thehelpdesk4051

3 жыл бұрын

Your thinking of this thru your human mind.... "My ways and thoughts are higher than yours" Almighty God

@thehelpdesk4051

3 жыл бұрын

The Logos is still the Logos.... Yes in human form... But still the Logos.... God now man.....but still God

Christ never once claimed to be God - i challenge you all to show me the verse. for Christ is the "image of the invisible God" (col 1:25), not God. Christ can not be God, because Christ was dead for 3 days - and we know that God can't die. It took the power of God to ressurect Christ. Simple as that.

@georgewagner7787

Жыл бұрын

He claimed to be one with the father. After he died, he wasn't unconscious. He just left the cross

Jesus was not God.

If you believe in the trinity it shows you follow man and not scripture

Jesus said “If your brother won’t listen to the church Treat him as an outsider.” Mt 18:17 The Roman Catholic Church teaches the TRINITY

The doctrine of the trinity is the most ridiculous tenet in Christianity. It is not supported by the scriptures, it cannot stand simple logic and it is blasphemous to associate God with three godheads. It was sneaked in the church in the 4th century from pagan beliefs. God is one and besides Him there is no other.

even the word " Bible" is not found in the "Bible". The Trinity is doctrinally and biblically correct. I John 5:7. There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, The Word ( Jesus) and the Holy Ghost; and these three are One. John 10:30 ( Jesus speaking). "I and my Father are One"

@markdvorak9972

2 жыл бұрын

Totally correct Fran! And my wife and I are one!

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You will not find that part of 1 John 5:7 in most modern translations that use older, more accurate texts. This is found in the KJV and is thought by Biblical scholars to be an embellishment to support the doctrine of the Trinity.