petition to call it the Charleston age

@ObjectsInMotion

Жыл бұрын

It’s quite a charly age if you ask me

@angelagan6803

Жыл бұрын

Please don't

@gollossalkitty

Жыл бұрын

Someone didn't get the memo about how changing names in youtube comment section works

@jmer9126

Жыл бұрын

How about Charleton age? 😂

@angelagan6803

Жыл бұрын

@@gollossalkitty now who did get that memo/email?

In my collection, I've got a 1672 farthing from the reign of Charles II. The name is listed as "CAROLVS A CAROLO"-literally "Charles after Charles" in Latin.

@SwissSareth

Жыл бұрын

Thanks to lindybeige, I actually understand what a farthing is. never thought that would come in handy. xD

@jhonbus

Жыл бұрын

If you fall I will catch you I will be waiting... _Charles after Charles_ Actually makes a bit of sense in context too, how amusing!

@janetmackinnon3411

Жыл бұрын

@@SwissSareth They were delightful little coins, with a wren on them--the smallest bird for the smallest coin.

@georgeiii2998

Жыл бұрын

I have the exact same coin; a 1672 farthing.

As a Swede I can tell you that Carl (or Karl) is the Swedish version of Charles, so we have a King Charles in Sweden as well in the form of Carl XVI Gustaf.

@kayzeaza

Жыл бұрын

I always forget Sweden has a monarch

@LapsangTe

Жыл бұрын

@@kayzeaza You could see him and Queen Silvia sitting opposite King Charles III at the funeral of Queen Elizabeth.

@RaymondHng

Жыл бұрын

@@LapsangTe In between The King and Queen of the Netherlands on the left and The Crown Prince and The Queen of Denmark on the right.

@RaymondHng

Жыл бұрын

And Romania had King Carol I and King Carol II when it was a monarchy.

@LapsangTe

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@@RaymondHng I believe they were placed in the order of the length of their reign. Margarethe II of Denmark has reigned for fifty years and Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden for fortynine years, thus being the two longest reigning monarchs of Europe after the passing of Queen Elizabeth.

SO glad to have stumbled across this as it's possibly answered a related question that's been in my mind since we lost HM The Queen. At the last 4 coronation services, Sir Hubert Parry's famous version of Psalm 122 'I Was Glad' has been used for the Monarch's entrance. The anthem incorporates the famous 'Vivats', which are 'sung' in Latin - in 1937 they were 'Vivat Rex Georgius' and in 1953 they were 'Vivat Regina Elizabetha.' I've been wondering how the vivats would be set to 'Charles' - awkward as it's a single syllable name, BUT if the Coronation Director of Music (yet to be appointed) was to set 'Vivat Rex Ca-ro-lus' it can be sung to exactly the same rhythm and melody as that of His Majesty's grandfather!!! Many thanks Dr Lindsey!

@irenedavo3768

Жыл бұрын

Please research Jigger Victims

@stefanfrankel8157

Жыл бұрын

The queen is lost? Did they send out a search party?

@marieravening927

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanfrankel8157 Why can't some people just use the word "dead"? When someone says to me "I recently lost my wife/husband" I have a terrible desire to ask if and where they have looked. To me it's also silly to say "my wife/husband has passed." Passed what?

@KayAteChef

Жыл бұрын

@@marieravening927 Wind, I am afraid. It has affected us all.

@h077y

Жыл бұрын

Why is it Regina for Elizabeth but Rex for the others?

I kept telling people we will have Carolus III Rex on our coins, but some people would not believe me.

@fnjesusfreak

Жыл бұрын

I wonder what would be the legend on Canadian coinage. "Carolus III D.G. Rex" is my best guess.

@peterlyall2848

Жыл бұрын

Charles is so old now he might as well be called T-Rex old as a fossil.

@mosienko1983

Жыл бұрын

@@fnjesusfreak That would be my preference, but I expect they will go with Charles. I hope not, though. For her father, they used Georgivs VI, which I quite liked.

@LaPingvino

Жыл бұрын

The British ones at least will actually have Charles and not Carolus :(

@Ggdivhjkjl

Жыл бұрын

@@LaPingvino Why?

The polish equivalent of the name Charles is Karol.

@EriIaz

Жыл бұрын

And in Russian [kʌˈrol*] stands for the European title of a king. Carolus Magnus was hell of a chad ;D Interestingly enough, we actually have a tradition of germanizing British monarchs' names, so the former prince Charles is currently addressed as king Carl here. And when prince William ascends to the throne, he will be addressed as king Wilhelm. I guess it stems from the fact that both House of Hanover and House of Windsor are, in essence, German dynasties.

And if times are good they'll be able to be called Sweet Carolean. :D

I saw your blog post about the obsolete use of IPA in English years ago, and found it to be one of the best ressource on pronunciation online. It came to me as a big surprise when I saw KZread recommending me your channel just now, and realising it was the same Geoff Lindsey. Thank you for your work

Caroléan? Interesting. I've been saying it as Carólean. The joys of being an L2 speaker. :)

Thank you for this video filled with a great knowledge from you. I didn't have any idea that there was such a insightful history of a person's name. I feel sort of a mind mapping in this video because just watching it is helping me expand my knowledge comfortably, and making me fun. Rest in peace,Her Majesty.

As Jacobean refers to the James VI and I era and Jacobites were the followers of James VII and II because James is derived from Jacob which is derived from Jacobus in Latin which in turn has several earlier forms in Greek and Hebrew. Iago, Tiago, and Diego are all Spanish forms of Jacobus as well.

There's a star called Cor Caroli which means the heart of Charles. It's unknown whether it's referred to Charles 1. or 2. of England.

My name is Caroline so this video was even more interesting than I expected! 😀 Thanks for the explanation and the info!

@jimgore1278

Жыл бұрын

I spent many years working in cancer research at a Canadian university. At one time we had three ladies in the department who all spelled their first names as you do, but each pronounced it differently; Carol-een, Carol-eye-n and Carol-in. There was also a Charolyn, pronounced Sharolyn. I'm glad that when my parents named my sister they stopped at Carol.

@Lernschau

Жыл бұрын

@@jimgore1278 Carol-een and Carol-in actually "sound" like the French pronunciation of the name, where the 'a' is pronounced 'ah' and with a slightly muted 'e' at the end for 'Caroline'.

@jimgore1278

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@@Lernschau Thanks, but I already knew that. I live in Canada. ;-)

@Lernschau

Жыл бұрын

@@jimgore1278 I thought so (Canadian university). This wasn't to educate you, but more of an observation on my end from the other side of the pond :)

@angelagan6803

Жыл бұрын

I named my daughter Caroline after my father and my brother who fine men named Charles - Karol in many European countries also is a popular name for males. I am very fond of it as the Charles I know are exemplary men

In Poland, it is customary to translate monarch’s and royal family names to Polish equivalents, which I fully support because it really makes the far-away monarch closer to us and familiar. Former Prince/now King Charles has always gone by the name „Karol” in Poland - now I know why and I can explain it to whoever asks!

@The420033

9 ай бұрын

In Russia it's even funnier. We called him Charles when he was a prince. But now he's a king, so we translate his name to Karl.

Thank you for educating us.

Thank you for explaining.

God Save Geoff !!! You always enlighten us with your knowledge Thank you for sharing Geoff !!

Well that was interesting, I was wondering what "age" we were in. Thanks for sharing this info. 😊

on the german wikipedia, the content writers are arguing wether he is now called "König Charles III" or "König Karl III". Majority prefers Karl, since both former Charles are known as "Karl" in Germany.

@markmayonnaise1163

Жыл бұрын

Royal names appear to be prone to translation. Consider the infamous Charles II of Spain, who was really Carlos. Or the King's great great grandfather, whom we call Edward VII, but in French is known as Édouard VII. Given this, I would say German Wikipedia is rightly justified in translating the name of our new monarch. That being said, there are counterexamples such as Kaiser Wilhelm II, but not his father, whom we call Frederick III, not Friedrich III.

@ulliulli

Жыл бұрын

@@markmayonnaise1163 Well, we differ them juswt by adding their country to the name, therefore: Karl II von Spanien and Karl II von England ;) Interestingly, you call the last Emperor Wilhelm II, but his granddad William I. Which is... even weirder, since they even lived at the same time (1859 - 1888).

@10qwe10

Жыл бұрын

Here in Finland it was decided in 2002 that we are not gonna translate rulers names anymore while still keeping the already translated names so now in Finnish we have Kaarle I, Kaarle II and Charles III.

@Angel33Demon666

Жыл бұрын

@@10qwe10 So in Finland you have 徳仁 as the Emperor of Japan? That’s very progressive, I never expected Latin script countries would adopt non-Latin script for some text.

@10qwe10

Жыл бұрын

@@Angel33Demon666 No. That wouldn't make any sense because if that was the case no one would be able read his name in any textbook or article he is mentioned except those few people who know how to read Japanese. He is called Naruhito which is his Japanese name just written with Latin letters. Also this whole thing about giving rulers Finnish version of their names pretty much only applies to European rulers. For example all the Japanese emperors or Chinese emperors names are written in Finnish exactly same way as they are written in English.

"Vivat, Rex Carolus. Vivat, Rex Carolus. Vivat! Vivat! Vivat!" Can't wait to see the Coronation of King Charles III!

Woah this channel so interesting. Thank you for teaching foreigner like me.

This is all true, also the variant ‘Carolian’ exists and ‘Caroline’ can refer to not only individuals, especially Kings and saints, called Charles and the Carolinas but also the obscure island group known as the ‘Caroline islands’.

Carol and Ian will be right chuffed by this news.

Thank you sooo much !!

Very educational.

How very fascinating!

Thank you

I should have thought it was Carolingian. But that was a medieval dynasty. North and South Carolina were named for Charles II.

@tammystewart10

Жыл бұрын

I thought the video was explaining Charles I granted a patent the land North Carolina and South Carolina in 1629, 20 years before he was executed. Caroline is usually associated with Charles I. Carolean is usually associated with Charles II. Ah bingo!! Finally makes sense why they're 2 Carolinas with North and South! Ironically I'm a resident of Charlotte, NC the Queen City of 35 years but I was born in Asia.

Caroline Era was during the Reign of Charles I (1625-1649), while the Carolean Era (also known as the Restoration Era) was during the Reign of Charles II (1660-1685). So I guess we have to think of another name

@peterlyall2848

Жыл бұрын

Chuck era for king Charles lll

@cdshop1301

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@@peterlyall2848 Formerly Chuck's

@dw_909

Жыл бұрын

Charlesean sounds enough good to me

@catgladwell5684

Жыл бұрын

I don't really think it matters There have been six Georges but the adjective Georgian tends to evoke the first four rather than the two 20th century kings of that name. And we didn't commonly refer to the recently deceased queen's reign as Elizabethan at the time. It normally means the first Elizabeth.

@quintiniusverginix7827

Жыл бұрын

If there can be multiple Elizabethan eras, there can be multiple Carolean eras.

Is the stress in Carolean a settled matter? Instinctively, I would have stressed the second syllable.

@Somnogenesis

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's the standard pattern. I think that instinct is because it's an adjective that is (or, at least, was) otherwise basically unused in English, unless you're a historian of the Stuart period. So, maybe for most of us encountering this unfamiliar word for the first time, we try to pattern the stress the same as in a word like "petroleum". When you look at other adjectives derived from names in this fashion, though, the 'correct' pattern becomes more apparent. The most obvious comparison would perhaps be "Herculean", i.e. 'of or like Hercules' - as used literally to refer to the mythological hero Hercules/Heracles (depending on whether you prefer his Roman or Greek name) and the great tasks he carried out in the legends about him, or metaphorically to refer to any supreme effort. The pronunciation there is always Herk-you-LEE-un, not Her-KYOO-lee-un. In just the same way, it's Ka-ro-LEE-un, not Ka-ROH-lee-un. Or, maybe more aptly sticking with royal adjectives, we have Jacobean - denoting the era of Charles I's dad, the first Stuart king James I of England & VI of Scotland, who inherited the English throne at the end of the (first) Elizabethan age. In exactly the same fashion, that's always pronounced Jak-oh-BEE-un, never Ja-KOBE-ee-un. So in the same way, Ka-ro-LEE-un, not Ka-ROH-lee-un. Of course, "Victorian" does put the stress on the middle syllable, Vik-TOR-ee-un - and maybe that unconsciously plays into wanting to pattern "Carolean" the same way. But in that case, all four syllables belong to the name, VicTORia, so it would be perverse to pronounce that "Vik-tor-EE-un". Logically, though, if we ever had a King Victor, the adjective would be "Victorean", which would _look_ almost the same but might well be pronounced that way...! I might be way off-beam on this, but I presume it all relates to the way the stresses fall within the Latin root words that form the adjective: like Carolus (KA-roh-lus) for Charles, Jacobus (JACK-oh-bus) for James, etc. Where the stress falls on the second syllable, like Victoria (Vik-TOR-ee-uh) or Edwardus (Ed-WAHRD-us, also carried over into foreign versions like 'Eduardo'), that stress stays in the same place when, um, adjectivised: Vik-TOR-ee-un, Ed-WARD-ee-un - so we don't say Ed-ward-EE-un. Where the second syllable is unstressed, though, like in Carolus (KAR-oh-lus) and Jacobus (JAK-oh-bus), or Hercules (HERK-you-leez), it seems to stay unstressed in the adjectival form and the stress instead jumps from the first syllable to the penultimate one: Kar-oh-LEE-un, Jak-oh-BEE-un, Herk-you-LEE-un. Thinking out loud here, there's then the oddity that is "Elizabeth" and "Elizabethan". It ends up with _five_ syllables, so I guess to avoid finishing with three weak ones in a row ("e-LIZ-a-beth-un") that weak starting 'E' gets effectively ignored, as if the name were LIZ-a-beth. So the adjective becomes "[e-]liz-a-BEETH-un" - thus the JACK-oh-bus/Jack-oh-BEE-un pattern is preserved once again. Oops, that ended up a very long reply to a two-line query, I know...!! Sorry 🤣

How you managed to immortalise Truss *not* saying something ridiculous is beyond me :)

@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114

Жыл бұрын

Ah, yes. She is the dodo bird of great imperial plummage.

They favour the term caraolean over the term caroline in order to avoid any reference to beheading and revolution?

I’m glad someone has explained this , it’s been perplexing me since the Queen left us 😢 It just doesn’t sound right !

In Russian, monarchs' names are replaced with Russian cognates, while other peoples' names (even if they are members of a Royal Family) are transcribed. As a result, Prince Charles (принц Чарльз) became King Carl (Король Карл) overnight

That makes perfect sense, but why is the adjectival of (David) Cameron 'Cameroon', its been bothering me since ever

What if it'd been prince William? Williamine?

@untziggy4

Жыл бұрын

Willemine (c.f. Willemina)?

@Shindashi

Жыл бұрын

There was a Williamite War, so probably Williamite.

@untziggy4

Жыл бұрын

@@Shindashi -ite is specifically for adherents and followers (or descendents, or rocks, or salts of acids with a lower oxidation number than they could have, or...)

@DrGeoffLindsey

Жыл бұрын

Very good question. -ite is really a noun ending, used as Greg says for partisans (compare Wagnerian and Wagnerite). I can find a few individuals using Williamine online. The Latinate versions would be Gulielmean or Gulielmine, but I can't see anyone using those.

@MatthewMcVeagh

Жыл бұрын

Wilhelmine

Carolignian, clearly

Long Live the King!

So, the inference is that they are choosing to be associated with the king of the same name who wasn't executed? lol

@annedavis8652

Жыл бұрын

My thought exactly

It is known more popularly as The Restoration. So we have a new 'Restoration' period on our hands.

I was hoping for Carlovingian.

What's the song at the beginning?

@frank_calvert

Жыл бұрын

It has a very unwieldy name; "Brandenburg Concerto No. 4 in G, Movement I (Allegro)"

Sadly, one cannot call this the Carolingean epoch.

So what will they call William V's reign?

Sweeeeetttt Carolineee…parapapaaaaa…

What will William's era be called?

Correction, its the Charlatan age

Did it say in IPA "Click he to subscribe."?

@notwithouttext

Жыл бұрын

"click here to subscribe" the "r" in "here" is dropped

What It means?

Interesting

Is Carolean a masculine adjective?

@DrGeoffLindsey

Жыл бұрын

English adjectives don't have gender!

Better tell my mum this (her name is Caroline😂)

No-one has so far suggested Carlist, but maybe that has Spanish connotations?

@PawelSorinsky

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Makes no sense to use it for Charles III.

I would use a k instead of a g to subscribe. (American standard and southern,)

Why not go directly to Carolingian...

sorry for the late comment, but why not Carolingian as in the Carolingian Empire?

@Syiepherze

Жыл бұрын

I think Carolean is a much more direct derivation from Latin than Carolingian. It also just avoids confusion since "Carolingian" more or less refers to Charles Martel's dynasty

is it just me or does Truzz pronounces the "g" in "age" as [t͡ʃ]?

@DrGeoffLindsey

Жыл бұрын

The English 'voiced' obstruents are typically devoiced next to voiceless sounds or silence. That's why we often call them lenis rather than 'voiced'. Phonemically, we'd say it's a devoiced allophone of /dʒ/ rather than the fortis phoneme /tʃ/, because the latter would tend to be louder and would cause the preceding vowel to be clipped.

@jikiajikia

Жыл бұрын

@@DrGeoffLindsey wow that's so interesting! I thought I was hallucinating when hearing some English speakers pronounce word-final 'voiced' obstruents similarly to voiceless obstruents. a similar thing also happens to "voiced" stops in Georgian as well, /b, d, ɡ/ become [pʰ, kʰ, tʰ] in word-final position, for the word "ვშიშობ" /vʃiʃɔb/ "I fear" is pronounced as [fʃɪˈʃo̞ˑpʰ] before a pause and voiceless consonants. the word-final devoicing can also cause homophony too, for example in my speech "მაგ" /mɑɡ/ "that" and "მაქ" /mɑkʰ/ 1st person singular present indicative "have" are both pronounced identically as [ˈmɑˑkʰ] before silence and voiceless consonants unless I intentionally emphasize the difference between the two in which case the former would be pronounced as [ˈmɑˑɡə̆].

Was calling it the Chuck Age out of the question?

Is this why the crowd sang “Sweet Caroline”?

Tne new Carolean age - as Elizabeth 2nd 's reign was the New Elizabethan era or age.

This music made me think it was a Sam O'Nella episode

Carolus - Latin version of Charles.

Carolus Rex

Chuck is going to topple over any day; can you really have an “Era” that only lasts a couple years?

I know the adjective "Carolingian" Comes from Charlemagne. There must be some connection with the name Charles, I'd say. 🤔 Please help us out, Dr. Lindsey. Thanks in advance 😎

@h.washingtonsawyer6614

7 ай бұрын

Charle-Magne is Old French for "Charles the Great".

It comes from Spanish and Italian word for Charles which is Carlos .

A shame it was not a swedish moment to use carolean term.

I was hoping for a Carole King joke

I think I'll go for Charlian, and see if anyone else copies me.

Before I heard it called "Carolean" I thought it would be "Carolingian".

I picked up Carolingian, a bit like Georgian? Carolean sounds better.

Sweet Carolean. Buh dah bah BAH!

Damn it, I was hoping it was the Charleston age!!! Just kidding!

@bendonaldson9026

Жыл бұрын

Hello my lovely friend

Bask, ye children of the Carolean Age!

Let's hope it's the last!

@nottmjas

Жыл бұрын

It will be the last Carolean age in our lifetimes. Here's to the next Carolean age of King Charles IV whenever that might in future centuries.

Only two adjectives? What about Carolingian?

@rin_etoware_2989

Жыл бұрын

it has an affix, -ingi, like Merovingi which means something like the Family of Merowig. Carolingi, then, would mean the family of Charles... ...Martel, which Charles "le Magne" is a member of. it could be from Old High German "Karling", but Wikipedia calls that word unattested, Wiktionary has no etymology, and Merriam-Webster has no entry at all.

@elisaastorino2881

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't that refer to a calligraphic script?

im so dumb, my middle name even is Karol. [kah-rol] not 'Carol'

So what is going to be when prince William becomes king?

@The420033

9 ай бұрын

Wilhelmian?..

Name after King Charles III I guess

Surely, "the Chazean age" would be more fitting?

An age is supposed to be long, an era even more so. A bit early to speak of a Carolean age yet, I think.

I think Carolus is the Latin equivalent of Charles..

Meanwhile, the Bushconian was replaced by the Obamonine finnished by the Trumpoline followed by the Bidensky.

I was really hoping it would be Carolingian...

Because Charlesean is hard to say. 😊

I would have called it the Charlesean age instead of the Carolean age, but each to their own.

Afraid your wrong Dr Lindsey. It’s Carolingian!

Aha, proud to belong to the Carolean club!

OK, but this doesn't answer the question of why Carolean vs Caroline.

@Somnogenesis

Жыл бұрын

Two reasons, I think. Firstly, and perhaps most simply, "Caroline Era" just sounds odd and/or silly to most modern ears because on its own it's a widely used female name. So anyone encountering the phrase for the first time has to sort of take the word apart and work backwards to the understanding it's both an adjective (meaning 'of Carolus' from the Latin, i.e. 'of Charles') and refers to a man not a woman! And secondly, the historical connotations. "Caroline" tends to be used, as an adjective, as the term for describing the era of King Charles I - which is one of the least pleasing connections imaginable for any future monarch, as he's remembered as a weak king, a small man with a big ego who got terminally cut down to size when his head got chopped off, ushering in a republic (of sorts) for the next 11 years. In contrast "Carolean" tends to be the term that gets used for things associated with his son, Charles II, whose restoration to the throne brought back the monarchy and who is generally much more fondly remembered by history - or at least had a much better time of things (aside from that 11-year wait) if his nickname of "the Merry Monarch" is anything to go by...

To hell with Chucky de Turd! Bring back Oliver Cromwell!!!!!

Disapoint. Where is cheap cover of "My Sweet Caroline"?

Carolingian is also an adjectival form of Charles, no? But that one usually refers specifically to Charlemagne.

@catgladwell5684

Жыл бұрын

Yes, and I think it sounds better than either of the two discussedi n the video.

@henryblunt8503

Жыл бұрын

Only indirectly. It originally refers to the dynasty of Charles Martel rather than to Charles the individual king - that's what the "ing" bit signifies. If he's the founder of a dynasty it'd be the Mountbatten-Windsors.

@quintiniusverginix7827

Жыл бұрын

"Carolingian" is a Latinized version of the Frankish name for Charlemagne's dynasty - the Karlings.

@henryblunt8503

Жыл бұрын

@@quintiniusverginix7827 The Oxford Etymological says earliest record of "Carolingian" is C19. It was a learned re-formation of "Carlovingian", which itself only seems to have been coined in C18. Neither of them are old words. There's no evidence of "Karling" ever being used of the the family (there's barely any record of Old Frankish) or of a medieval Latin "Carolingi" derived from it (which is much more likely). Even "Caroline" only goes back to C17 in English and even in Latin is fairly modern. It seems the concept of Charles Martel's dynasty is a recent one.

@quintiniusverginix7827

Жыл бұрын

@@henryblunt8503 According to the OED, "Karolingi" appears as a name for the Carolingians from the 11th century onwards. The suffix "-ing" is Germanic, and points to a Frankish root. It might not be directly attested, but that doesn't mean we can't make an informed guess as to what it would have been. In any case, "Carolingian" wouldn't be an appropriate designation for Charles III's reign - it indicates a specific dynasty, not any king named "Charles".

Carolean derived from "Carolus" Latin for "Charles". Names like Karol Wotijya, the real name of the late Pope John Paul II, names like Carl, with a "C" or "K", Carlos. Not an unusual thing. When William becomes King, assuming he reigns under his given name like his father and grandmother before him, his age/reign will be called the Gulielmus age, "Gulielmus", Latin for "William". If you're ever in Normandy, France, and see a tomb that says "Gulielmus Angliae Rex Magnae Dux Conquestor" you've now found the tomb of William the Conqueror.

How about the Charlatan Era?

@lilliancenteno6272

Жыл бұрын

Charles Is a charlatan - so Charlatan Era works for me.

Shouldn't it rather be 'Carolingian'?

Charliean Age 🙃

The age of Karen.

Carol -> Carl -> Karl -> Charles.

I prefer the Charleston

It can hardly be called the Charleston era