The only thing of which I can be certain is that every episode of Closer to Truth will end with the words... Closer...to Truth.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

They will never get closer if they don't change something.

@joanbo15

3 жыл бұрын

Unless Robert (the agent) decides to use different words, but can only choose from the repertoire of words that he can recall. 😉

@ingenuity168

3 жыл бұрын

Robert uses his free will to end his videos with those words. 😅

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Yep and you'll likely be even further FROM it by THEN lol

@andrewphillips6783

3 жыл бұрын

So true

The concept of free will is useful for living in society even if it does not exist.

I clicked on this video because of a predictable predetermined pattern of events that took place through the chords of time, which lead me in this moment to have the experience of clicking on this video, as if I had intended it. When really I was destined to watch this video from the beginning of time. It’s no more mysterious the illusion of choice than it is for a leaf to fall off a tree. We are as trees under an illusion that each leaf falling was our choice, when really we are just responding to changes in the winds of the universe with the phenomena of concussions

I feel like a lot of people use the term 'free will' to describe action taken that was not directly compelled by another person. We also commonly have the experience of feeling like we do things without will; it just 'happens'.

The reality is almost impossible to discuss or even imagine, because our language and therefore our cultural logic is built on the illusion of freewill.

I've always said freewill isn't compatible with determinism or indeterminism, but I've never heard anyone else put forth that idea. Ned is a smart guy.

@zylo1967

Жыл бұрын

Lots of people have pointed this out. It's a centuries old argument, familiar to everyone who thinks about and discusses free will, which is why you don't hear it brought forward that much. And it's not a very deep idea, as it basically just defines free will away.

I tend to go with "even his determinism is true, one can still act freely." So far, that seems the most likely to be true.

To me, free will just means you are free to use your will.

If punishment is involved, it can't be free will. That would be comparable to a parent saying, "You can do anything you want, but if I don't approve of what you do, I WILL punish you!"

If one were to look at the concept of free will, it seems that the answer is obvious and clear. If one has control over their actions then they are acting under no compulsion or restraint.However, if one were to look at the concept of free will from a more philosophical viewpoint, then there are some very interesting arguments against it. The main argument is that determinism and all its implications disproves free will. Determinism is the idea that all events are determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences. We humans are not very good at understanding our own nature and the world. Therefore we do not know or understand a lot of things about ourselves and the world around us. For example, humans don’t know why we die. We just do! It is a fact of life that we must all face and there is no way around it. Humans don’t know why things change. We just do! No matter how hard we try to fix something, it changes in the end. Humans don’t know why there is a Universe. We just are! The Universe came to be without any purpose or goal. Humans don’t know why there is something instead of nothing. The reason for this question not being asked by humans is because they are too focused on day to day tasks and survival. Humans don’t know why humans are unique. We just are!

hello seekers of the truth

Just as mr. Data said, It is the journey that is most important, The struggle. People look for answers, when they should be looking for better questions. King solomon said it right when he Stated that, Even with eternity, humankind will never find the end of knowledge.

We all have a will, but our wills are not free.

@thatchinaboi1

2 жыл бұрын

Or more precisely, the will that we possess is not our own will. It is the will of Fate.

@thatchinaboi1

2 жыл бұрын

Freedom is actually a nonsensical notion that appears to make sense if we don't critically examine the concept.

@thatchinaboi1

2 жыл бұрын

Since there can be no otherwise (existence other than what it is in the past, present, and future) freedom loses much of it's meaning. It only makes sense to say something is free from what isn't, but what isn't can't actually ever be. 😂

@thatchinaboi1

2 жыл бұрын

For instance, I can say I am free from having to experience menstruation, because I am a man. Or I am temporarily free from hunger, because I just ate a large meal that satisfies my hunger at the moment. So I am only "free" from what isn't the case, which is a silly thought to have if you really think about it.

How can we talk about free will if all our actions are caused by our needs? We always fulfill some of our needs when we make a choice. And which need to fulfill is completely determined by the hierarchy of needs built in person’s brain by every detail of his past experience. Someone prefers to get a good thing now, someone who is religious prefers to get a good thing after death and also may fear to be punished after death for a “wrong choice”. To avoid punishment is also a need. No one will choose pain if there is no some kind of benefit in that. Making good things for others also may be a need for many types of people. So, everything is quite simple - people are objects that avoid pain and try to get pleasures, try to fulfill their needs. In this sense we are like plants that can grow in the direction where they can get more light. Hierarchy of needs of humans is dynamic and complex, depends on experience. As the hierarchy is dynamic and changing by its nature, we experience doubts. It all makes a good ground for the illusion that anyone can choose anything.

@vitaly6772

3 жыл бұрын

Good analysis. Environment, past experience and genes are the things behind our decisions. All these inputs are processed by the biological machines of our brains. These machines are the same. Just different inputs. But you can also think about genes as of parts that make biological machines slightly different. It is just matter of notions, the sense remains the same.

@vitaly6772

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, thanks! :) It’s too late for me to read books by gurus cause I already got my PhD in Physics. And I understand clearly what the real Moral should be based on. And this base is not these made up spirits and gods. The base of moral is that humanity is a single being, people are just branches of the three of humanity that grows in space and time. Everything what is strengthen humanity is good, everything what weakens our tree is bad. The tree of humanity (or fractal if you want) is beautiful and self sufficient. The goal is to grow as high and wide as possible spreading our beauty throughout the universe. :) I am not that easy “fish” to catch

@vitaly6772

3 жыл бұрын

​@@TheWorldTeacher Why would you call made up nonsense the Truth? You think your pretentious (but funny) guru clothing gives you the right to that? Begin to doubt and pay more attention to the sense rather than correct spelling. And then you will probably get closer to the truth :)

@vitaly6772

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher That's funny

@vitaly6772

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you are joking

The Will can only truly be free where there is no Ego.

I have 2 questions: 1. Can you have Free will in a vacuum assuming you have no limbs you have no eyes no ears no sense of touch if all of those things are taken away and you’re in a vacuum can you still have free will? 2. Is it possible to be conscious of other senses we lack, using technology? For example is it possible to be conscious of ultraviolet color in the same conscience sense as the visible light, using technology? Or maybe consciousness of sonar or or other inputs into the brain?

There is no contradiction between freewill and determinism, because there are 2 arrows of time, forward and backward. In the forward mode we have freewill, but in the backward mode, events are determined and cannot be changed.

@AzaleaOliver345

Жыл бұрын

I had not considered this and I will give it more thought as it offers some real possibility of a solution... In reverse, all acts become pre-determined and our physical laws are inherently non-time directional, so our sense of free will may come from our temporal and limited, perception of how the universe works, but then, we simply move the problem on to why that is our perception... Loving It..!

If determinism is true, then it is predetermined that I will continue to believe in Free Will. Therefore, there is no purpose in trying to convince myself otherwise and all arguments for determinism must ultimately fail.

@theofficialness578

4 күн бұрын

You are mistaking determinism for fatalism, look in to the differences.

i like how Mohamed described free will when asked about it. he said: you can jump out of your free will, but your descending and landing are determined. in other words 50-50.

As long as we believe that we are the physical body, free will and Karma exists Once we realize the real Self, everything is deterministic and there is no suffering

fodor seemed right; not all scientific descriptions do or can reduce to physics.

I think Ned Block is on to something. I feel the same in regards to paradoxes. The existence of a paradox means there is something FALSE within the system under consideration.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

Most paradoxes arise from our perception of quantities, like everybody understand universe is very big, but nobody can't even imagine how big universe really is.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

@@hyperduality2838 in the twin paradox there is an asymmetry related to the twin that accelerates to return. And you assertion that "dark matter is dual to datk energy" simply makes no sense.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

@@hyperduality2838 Lunatic.

@sgpetermann

2 жыл бұрын

The ubiquitous problem is the inference that there are laws and chance that constitute reality. So, under this inference reality is constituted non-intentionally. This is, by no means, substantiated. Instead, if we abandon the "laws and chance" inference for one where every event in the universe is intentional then real free will is possible. Of course, the means positing an intentional cosmic or transcendent Mind. If that is the case, then each individual has a limited share of the ultimate freedom of cosmic or transcendent Mind. dlcommunion.org/%20on-free-will/

God's mastery of free will allows him to see the consequences of free will into the future.

Free will is a free choice. determination

@Ploskkky

3 жыл бұрын

Free will is not about choice. Free will is a deeper layer. Choices are determined based on you past, your upbringing, your education, your life experiences.

as the future happens before the present, God's knowledge happens before the future?

determinism (in classic mechanics) might be compatible with free will (in causation from quantum mechanics), rather than free will compatible with determinism?

The truth of free will requires an understanding of the creative trinity of God, the antigod BORG, and God's favorite daughter, Karma

Grades 1,2 and 3 and what's wrong with them. The problem with determinism is circumstances we did not choose would have had to have been different in order for us to have done otherwise. The problem with indeterminism is still circumstances we did not choose would have had to have been different in order for us to have done otherwise. The problem with a non physical soul or mind is still circumstances we did not choose would have had to have been different in order for us to have done otherwise.

sense of free will may be something in reality that is not our own, but is there to relate to? human beings can choose how to relate to free will?

Let's get rid of the determinism argument once and for all. Robert said that determinism means that "every action is determined by a prior action." Quantum mechanics has negated determinism by introducing probability into nature. Also, some actions are caused by many prior actions not just one - they all have to coalesce in just the correct way for the resultant action to happen. Finally, from a human perspective, nature through evolution has endowed us with directable mental energy. Biofeedback is an example. Humans can cause a prosthetic hand to move just by the power of thought. We have the capability to override determinism within the defined constraints in my previous post.

I have to pick up on the concept of being "Eligible for Punishment". For me, this is an absurd notion because it's already being assumed without justification that intentional bad actions should be "punished". What good does punishment do anyone? It certainly wouldn't erase or even justify the intentional bad act. So the very idea that intentional bad actions should result in punishments is already an idea that has no genuine merit. Yes, as a society we need to incarcerate dangerous people for the safety of others. But it's actually stupid of us to view this as a punishment. "Correctional Institutions" should also not be viewing their inmates as people who deserve to be punished. That's actually a very bad situation. And we're hardly going to correct someone by continually telling them that they are bad person who deserves to be punished. Our social psychology is actually quite sick when it comes to this topic. And religions that have gods who punish people for doing wrong things is a major cause for this ignorant attitude. It makes people think and accept that punishing people for having done bad things is not only condoned by God, but it's what God does naturally. Religions are sick and they teach people to believe sick things.

@Mystic0Dreamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher I pity any mothers who thinks that punishing their children is a good idea. And I feel even more sorry for their children. Setting consequences for actions it not the same as punishment. In fact, setting consequences for actions based on an idea that they should be punishments is a terrible idea. I will agree with you on one point. Many, if not most, parents (both mothers and fathers) continue to think in terms of punishing their children when they misbehave. This is why our society is so sick. And this idea is indeed supported by many religions. If I had children I would never have a need to punish them for anything. Moreover, if I had a child that could not be taught how to behave properly without resorting to using punishments, then that child should be taken to a psychiatrist to discover what's wrong with them. If your only choice to teach your children to behave is to punish them, then either you are an extremely bad parent, or you have children that need some serious psychological help.

@Mystic0Dreamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher By the way, even animal trainers have discovered that punishing animals as a means of training it not a good method to train animals. If it's not a good method for training animals why on earth would you use it to train your child? You can even talk to a child. Something many parents are not even able to do effectively. This is not to say that there aren't "problem children". But when that's the case a trip to health professionals is in order. Punishing a troubled child will most likely only make matters worse.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

Who punish most corrupt layers, thieves, rapist and murderers on top of social power structures? Nobody, that's who, all who try end up alone, poor, in mental institutions, prisons or dead. But if you work with government terrorists and destroy more innocent people for them, you will live a long, rich and exciting life, surrounded by friends and society who respect you and think you're a great man. Free will is most underrated property of any free man.

@Mystic0Dreamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher What makes you think I'm not a mother? Besides, if you are a mother I feel seriously sorry for your children It's a shame they have a mother who doesn't know how to teach them properly and has to resort to punishments due to her own ineptitude as a mother. Your assumption that punishment is the solution for failed education is pathetic.

@Mystic0Dreamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher What does that have to do with the topic of using punishments as a means of teaching? Clearly, you've run out of arguments and realize that you've been wrong all along. Thank you.

I thought - Me clicking on this video is free will Me not understanding anything is conclusive understanding that there is no free will

could neuron activity causing actions have free will, followed by conscious awareness of causation from neuron activity (free will?), then the action determined by neuron activity?

is consciousness linked to causation? wherever there is causation there is consciousness?

Deterministic universe is Equivalent to stochastic universe. The universe is both simultaneously. Spacetime has a fundamentally 'dualistic topology'.

13:45 She's conflating consciousness and free will. That''s not entirely necessary. I would want my mind-body system to be able to work on automatic pilot for many situations, if not, I would have to analyze every sense impression my physical body would be hit with. I would shut down (paralysis by over-analysis), and thus no free will.

The Life-Desire, is the Motor of the Eternal Life, (the Hunger-principle, and the Satisfaction-principle, is the Compass) in direct extension of the life-desire We have the Will (Life-side) and the Gravity (Stuff-side) with my Will I do balance Earths Gravity, with my own, when I lift the cup. The Developing-Spiral, consist of Developing-Circuits, the end of a circuit, is the beginning of a new, and higher. In the beginning of a Developing-Circuit, the Will is at it's minimum, and in the end it is at it's maximum. So, this is the basic-analysis of the Will, in a Eternal Perspective.

We have free will within the boundaries we set, without a mindset, we cannot even ask the question. We are the interpreters of our program, this program evolved by us to survive. Regardless if a " creator" planted the seed of data to survive..we are the programmers, interpreting our own program. It is what it is...move on.

Only when the lamp of search, of earnest striving, of longing desire, of passionate devotion, of fervid love, of rapture, and ecstasy, is kindled within the seeker’s heart, and the breeze of His loving-kindness is wafted upon his soul, will the darkness of error be dispelled, the mists of doubts and misgivings be dissipated, and the lights of knowledge and certitude envelop his being. Baha’u’llah

@LambentIchor

3 жыл бұрын

Confirmation bias an steroids, is what that is.

Free will is there but with some directive principles

Human activity at various times has involved a good deal of irrational behavior. Free will is the behavioral outcomes of acceptance and problem resolution. Avoidance or prevention is better than cure as free will of choice.

I would think that the senses of input has something to do with it all as well. The visual, auditory, olfactory, taste and the feeling at touch …, and if the input of these senses would be stored in the same way even though a different type of input is brought forth from the senses, or perhaps they are layered in some way when stored in the brain because of different inputs of different strengths inherit to the beings volition? So when the brain-retention and background imprinting is completed into the long-term storage and the conscious-awareness requires an acting or calling for information, a process begins to recall it into the consciousness … as well as this process could be 'short-circuited' leaving the storage intact but the calling into the conscious affected by all kinds of junk, such as false beliefs (not just this alone although) or most certainly some type of physical surface damages? And you keep building or learning, but this is not just limited to the intellect of patterns for a job or social status …?

What is the "you" to which these people refer?

Dread it, run from it, determinism still arrives.

how might neuron activity have or come from free will?

Beyond the pt. of making a decision to act I feel Benjamin libet expt. Is a valid argument. But there is a space between the pt. at which stimulus is stimulated and the pt. at which decision to act is made. What will happen when we try to overcome our desire at this space.. So far no response from viewers. Am I stupid?

maybe free will happen in the transition from indeterminism (of quantum mechanics) to determinism (of classic mechanics)? what might happen in quantum indeterminism that causes classic determinism?

Humans have emotional intelligence and imagination, this two abilities should eradicate any constrains on physical body determinism and psychological programing. There's something wrong with our perception of humanism, what it means to be human and who cares, but that's another story.

If you replace "free will" with "hunger" or "love" or any other feeling, you realise how absurd this whole line of questioning is. Is hunger related to specific patterns in our brain activity ? Absolutely. It's a construct of the brain in that sense. Is it independent of any physical causes ? No. Does it mean it's an illusion then ? Absolutely not. Nobody treats it like it is. I believe feelings are fundamental for reality. I'd change the traditional "I think therefore I am" to "I feel therefore I am".

@prudhvic4

3 жыл бұрын

False equivocation, hunger is what we end up feeling because of metabolism. But free will is about whether we have a choice in what we can do about it. I think we're just slaves to our desires, free will is not possible. We all have will to do things, but it's not free.

No Compatibilism for me; Thank you 🤣

Are there any conscience theory that try to explain Qualia?

@liber-primus

3 жыл бұрын

The Orchestrated Objective Reduction hypothesis developed by Roger Penrose and Stuart Hammeroff.

@LindsleyDbrt

3 жыл бұрын

@@liber-primus No. This theory want to explain how conscience emerges. I am talking about Qualia.

Since we live in a Classical physics deterministic reality, the default has to be no contra causal free will.

@86645ut

3 жыл бұрын

*The World Teacher - Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda* , not buying the theology, but, otherwise, spot-on.

free will positively asserted, as well as not having a negative compulsion?

Plantinga continues to make the same mistake he did in his response to Nelson Pike's formulation of the problem. It is completely irrelevant what God believes in some possible world or other. The relevant question is whether it is logically possible for someone to do something other than what God believes he will do in the actual world. The question Plantinga must address, but fails to do so, is whether the proposition, (a) "God infallibly believes Jones will do X tomorrow", is logically compatible with the proposition, (b) "It is within Jones' power tomorrow to do something other than what God infallibly believes." It's clear that (a) and (b) are contradictory claims; if (a) is true, then Jones cannot have the power described in (b). To assume otherwise is to imagine that Jones has the power to instantiate a state of affairs whose description is incoherent, and no one has that power, not even God.

freewill is an experience not a truth

The answer is free will is not a mystery. There are known answers which do fit with our experience. The illusion comes from not paying attention to our experience of choice making and misinterpreting the meaning of "can" and " the circumstances".

God has value (morality) in addition to, and maybe more, than freedom (will)?

You cannot see freedom, you can only recognize determined things, like the self and subject of knowledge is invisible, too. And science is a tool in the hands of this invisible subject to organize and transform itself.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

Sure you can see freedom, close your eyes and dream away some happy thoughts.

@neffetSnnamremmiZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 no, nobody ever seen freedom, u can only recognize determined things in reflexion! Freedom is never in abstracto. Like the the subject of knowledge never can be seen, because it's invisible! Cuz "l" am always bigger!

@Ploskkky

3 жыл бұрын

If you think freedom is not determined, think again.

@neffetSnnamremmiZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ploskkky you can be free, even if everything is determined, because 1. reflexion can only recognize determined things (that's why Kant said, that freedom is proven in the moment you think it) and 2. because it depends on who you are, if you are the lawmaker it is your own freedom!

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@neffetSnnamremmiZ i disagree, people became more rational, but we can still be totally free if we really want to. Thoughts can be penetrated this days, artificial telepathy is a reality and works wireless, but it's not perfect, it can never became perfect, serves only for manipulation and produce more lies. All that evil, corrupt and abominate tech make us even more aware how important absolute freedom of our thoughts actually is, you know you're free not when you understand social reality but when you hate it, hate it from the bottom of your individual and lonely hearth. This is why things change or only evil would became ever larger and so much worse, because slaves can't think outside the box, only free people can imagine no box.

Human will is not free. When we make a choice of preference, decide to act, or make some other type of decision our decision-making processes primarily in the prefrontal lobes are constrained by our genetics, our upbringing, our life experiences, and any extant influences that may bias the exercise of our will. Swinburne is incorrect in assuming that we just choose this or that freely. Some people have brain lesions that greatly interfere with their choices and their behavior. There are other extenuating circumstances that may not be visible or otherwise apparent.

I want to know the result of the hypnosis experiments of Thalia

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

It's like all hypnosis, people want to believe and they're not sure if they were hypnotized enough or should they try to cooperate more. It's because they want to believe psi powers exist somehow and there's a force that can induce trans and make them obey suggestions. There's a general rule, people who meditate can't be hypnotized because they're used to altered states of mind. Or they can be, but they find themselves in meditative trans, where their mind ignore manipulative influences.

A possible solution to this question is as follow: Firstly, let's tackle this on the assumption of a deterministic world view. We often heard say that on determinism, a given state (of body or brain) is predictive of subsequent states. If we simply tweak the notion of the self, as manifested in the brain, and say that this I, or self, which is experiencing all states in time, is not the same I, or self, from nanosecond to nanosecond. The brain is composed of many parts, hence, why say that 1 event is predictive of another. We wouldn't say that a state that exists in 1 body effects a later state in another body. So let's just say that the brain is always changing. Hence - we have conquered determinism. Every action, derives from a different source, in effect, and does not derive from previous states in a direct causal chain. Therefore, every action is totally free. Each action is the first (and possibly the last) in a chain of 1 entity. Critiques, anyone?

Why is free will a mystery? Because it seems to be impossible. Then why doesn't the mystery disappear if we just reject it? Because it seems like we have it. But No it doesn't. So, no mystery.

philosophers use determined arguments to support position on free will?

God operates the universe on the basis of free will, including allowing man and nature to act freely, with predestination enabling everything to freely act according to the will of it's nature.

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Man and nature CANNOT EVER act "freely" ( this would be the END of THIS reality of existence in this dimension of space and time) .... And luckily SO otherwise we couldn't predict the weather or know the habits of the creatures that share our planet .... Luckily EVERYTHING MUST adhere to the law's and principles that govern THIS reality and existence .... Otherwise it would be "FREE" and WE would be NO MORE lol

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Besides ANY TRUE parent wouldn't give THEIR toddler the keys to the family car and hand it a loaded gun and bag full of money and say "YOU are FREE" . .... How long do you REALLY think they would LAST? .... Mankind JUST got OFF the ground in kitty hawk North Carolina a little over 100 years ago ..... Do you REALLY think the "powers that BE" are just gonna leave us unchecked with absolute freedom? ..... Wouldn't be a VERY good or even very smart pare by MY perception ......

human consciousness of causation by free will; free will conscious of moral values in nature?

I've never been first before

@dogsbollox4335

3 жыл бұрын

I'll second that.👍🏼

human beings have a consciousness distinct from consciousness in nature?

Maybe we are free, it just that our ignorance is at the higher level.

free will a mystery that each person develop oneself, not get from other human being(s)?

human beings relate to free will?

There is only one outcome in the world; look at the past.

God makes the most sense. 1. It's a godly idea. 2. It's been around forever. 3. The majority of people believe it. 4. Nature doesn't make mistakes. 5. QED.

I have almost seen all your videos sir. Amazing work. However, free will isn't a mistery to me at all.... Quoran has already answerd it.

God does everything freely, and everything has free will from God, acting freely according to its nature.

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Even GOD is NOT FREE of the obligations that allow for THIS reality of existence to work .... If God became "above the law" then would instantly become a victim of it's OWN demise .... Hence the reason THESE law's and principles are in place to begin with .... At the moment they are breached then ALL reason and logic would be lost and God would be irrelevant and unnecessary ANYHOW ..... In a world of chaos NOTHING has control .... THAT would be of absolutely NO USE to God ..... Henceforth the reason for predetermined inevitability that guarantees the universe WILL do it's part and EVERYTHING within it WILL cooperate .... Or else it is NOT allowed to exist within THIS reality of existence in this dimension of space and time .....

The mere fact that some people keep calling free will a mystery does not make it a mystery. It is comparable to some people saying that nobody can explain the tides: “Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that. You can’t explain why the tide goes in.”

@lepomirbakic4422

3 жыл бұрын

I can explain tide.moon

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@lepomirbakic4422 Are you sure, it can be understood, but you might be very supprised once you learn all details how it actually works. And no, nobody understand tides completely, because nobody know what gravity is.

@Ploskkky

3 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 Science can explain perfectly why the tide goes in and out. We can not only explain it it, but make perfect predictions. On the level of the tide mechanics there are no mysteries at all, all parameters are known.

@xspotbox4400

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ploskkky No, science can't explain tides, because we don't know what kind of force gravity is, can only understand what it does. This is why i said tides can be explained, except it's a complicated model and not so simple as people might think. But what kind of force is causing tides, this is something nobody can tell you, no such knowledge exist and will not be possible without good description of space time phenomena, working on every individual quantum particle of planet Earth and it's only large moon. Check for yourself if you don't believe me, there are many good videos on KZread and other materials on internet, it's much different than what we were thought in primary school.

Most of the truth looking mystery in the world. Perception difference, there's no mystery, reality always present as it is, change the perception.

How about this free will is not action we are in free will unaction. Action is not free will but decision.

X-Files Earthling Native American human beings think "free will" means freedom to appreciate this paradise planet lifeboat and the miraculous works of fine art called "life" that inhabit it. And not be imprisoned by hostile alien vampires (greed) and their ignorance (hate). But the hostile evangelical vampires (greed) think that "free will" means freedom to suck the joy out of life and devour the planet like a ravenous cancer. And freedom to imprison and enslave humans.

Predestination is more about God's part in future of free will than man's acting from free will.

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Predestination is MORE about having a "failsafe" that NO OTHER life form CAN compromise ..... It's mathematical equation that has ALREADY been determined to work and thus the ONLY WAY it EVER CAN OR WILL ...... Predestination ( predetermined Destiny) you s the ONLY reason why the universe works in perfect harmony and order .... Without the predetermined routes and cycles of planets,stars,etc everything is chaos and CANNOT sustain a reasonably logical existence ..... You better thank predestination because it will ALWAYS be infinitely stronger than "FREE WILL" which will NEVER even be TRUTH lol .....

@jamesruscheinski8602

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankmoser6251 free will is predestined

in terms of material reality we aren't free. you and i and everything evolved through time. from the big bang onward. from very simple energy to atoms to complex atoms to cells to animals to human animals, to you as an individual human in 2022. none of this was by our choice. our lives are dictated completely by our atomic makeup, our biological makeup, our genetic makeup, our life environment, our experiences we've had, and that which we are reacting to at the moment. just simplistically put, you put up your arm or don't bc you are in a conversation about freewill, and bc your body and experiences allowed and compelled you to do so. you react to something the way you do because of all your experience and genetic makeup. it's best to think of this as a massive system. spinoza put this together best. you are a very small part of a large system. and the only possible case for freewill is a mysterious one, dependent on a reality that we don't see. bc if one is just looking at material reality, there is no way you have freewill. so one better hope for the mystical ground of being.

Free Will is not an illusion, but a perception. Regardless of how predetermined or not a decision is, we _perceive_ it to be our decision, and that is all that makes it free will.

Free will is where God sends you, free choice is when you get there.

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Neither FREE WILL nor FREE CHOICE is EVER possible for mankind ..... You may THINK you chose to do something but with a deeper perception you'll quickly realize that SOMETHING helped you decide lol ..... No action is EVER "genuine" because it's just a REACTION to a previous REACTION and REALLY humans are creatures of habit anyway so require VERY little "freedom" anyhow and ONCE IN a "routine" often forgot WHAT exactly motivated them .... Family ... Friends .... Society itself .... Media .... Maybe it was a bird building a nest BUT SOMETHING else IS responsible for each and EVERY REACTION you ( or anything else) EVER MAKE .....

@jamesruscheinski8602

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankmoser6251 everything reacts to free will

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

James ... If you can name JUST ONE single action that is "genuine" and NOT a reaction to a previous REACTION ....... THEN i could possibly entertain the possibility that you possess at LEAST SOME intelligence ..... Problem IS that YOUR NEVER gonna be able to name even ONE single action because EVERYTHING will go back to the big bang which is JUST THE inevitable reaction from the previous cycle of the LAST one .... And ALL actions are actually a reactionary result of THAT very cycle aka REACTION ... Aka predetermined .... Aka NEVER FREE .... Comprende?

@jamesruscheinski8602

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankmoser6251 Your response is reaction to predestined free will.

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

My response is a reaction of my LIMITED CHOICE ...... Nothing FREE about it ..... If i had access to infinite information as well as a perfect perception of the the future THEN I could claim FREE WILL .... Until then I ( just as ALL humans thus far in human history) have ONLY the limited number of possible CHOICES that ARE and ONLY ARE based ENTIRELY upon the "parameters" that pertain ONLY to MY existence .... Meaning DNA....monetary value .... Level of intelligence .... Time ... Location of existence .... And EVERY single number of variables that pertain to ONLY ME ..... ALWAYS LIMITED .... For the simple fact that numbers ( mathematics) are infinite and therefore there WILL ALWAYS be a MUCH greater amount of numbers that will NEVER be used because EVERYTHING has a predetermined LIMITED number ( mathematical equation for existence) that it will NEVER go beyond .... So hence everything within THIS dimensional plain of reality in time and space is NOT infinite therefore NEVER CAN BE FREE .... You CAN argue but just like the prisoner in a penitentiary .... You are STILL STUCK right here with the rest of mankind PERIOD lol

I don't think it's true that people feel as if they have completely free will. I certainly don't feel this way. Because I'm always aware of all kinds of boundaries and limitations that greatly restrict my choices and my actions. For example, I don't feel free when I start feeling hungry or thirsty. I feel compelled to satisfy my need. And although I have some freedom to delay my satisfaction, I'm limited in how long I can delay it, before my need becomes so painful and intolerable that have to satisfy it. The same is true for choosing the kind of food and drinks to satisfy my need. I have some choice in this, but my choices are limited by the money and the time I have and what's available for me. There is no mystery in free will, when you realize that such freedom exists within boundaries and restrictions. You can move the boundaries and restrictions one way or another through social and technological means. But you can never remove these boundaries and restrictions completely. So, freedom and lack of freedom always co-exist in one way or another.

It's not a mystery. It's an illusion. Nothing mysterious about it at all. 😂

@caricue

2 жыл бұрын

What's a mystery is how you can believe that mindless particle interaction control what you are going to have for lunch. You might at well say that demons are controlling you.

free will carries out moral values?

Coersion= the threat of hell

1. I am free to take decisions of my acts. 2. MY religious and social values, logical judgments, influence to some extent to shape up my decisions of act. 3. Though I am free to decide anything to act, God knows prior what I am finally going to do or will do. So for God it's deterministic but for me it is free will. 4. My conscious mind always generating series of desires. My religious and social values and logical judgements shaping up and prioritising sequence of desires and feeding back to mind. After that what my conscious mind decide to act is my free will. 5. If I had no religious and social values and no logical judgements, then I could be totally free to desire and decide anything to act. That is absolute free will.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

"3" is self-contradictory.

@md.fazlulkarim6480

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 God's predictions are 100% accurate always. Thus he may know what I am going to do finally. Any contradiction now?

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

@@md.fazlulkarim6480 you can't have free-will if you can't deviate from God's foreknowledge.

@md.fazlulkarim6480

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 I do not agree with you.

@md.fazlulkarim6480

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 As for example, I know whether you will reply again or not but that does not restrict your free will to reply or not.

it's all about milking the government

Why is the "Free Will Theorem" by Conway and Kochen not mentioned? (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_theorem)

You can be free, even if everything is determined, because 1. reflexion can only recognize determined and finite things, so ppl think freedom is illusion, but freedom is never "in abstracto", like the "subject of knowledge" is not an illusion, it is just invisible for reflexion, you can only be. And 2. because it depends on who you are, if you are the lawmaker or in accordance to, then it is your own freedom! Like the (supposed deterministic) Schopenhauer said, it is not the one OR the other, like where the one is the other cannot be (like 50/50), the higher wisdom is that both are compatible (like 100/100), it all depends on "who you are"!

It's not. There isn't any.

It's a shame that you couldn't hear what Sam Harris would say on this subject.

@internetenjoyer1044

3 жыл бұрын

Harris just makes the standard argument, in a clear and engaging way, though doesn't he?

@markofsaltburn

2 жыл бұрын

@@internetenjoyer1044 True, but he brings the discussion back to first principles: where, how and when in your mind is s choice made.

free will is just an emergent feeling. doesn't mean it's not real tho.

@vitaly6772

3 жыл бұрын

Sure. It also may be ‘5% free’ will and so on. There are many possibilities. But absolute free will is really not what we have.

@jesseklein6392

3 жыл бұрын

@@vitaly6772 it's as real as it feels :D

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Plantinger's multi-world God equates, in my opinion, to a multi -God, which in turn equates to no God.

Could be God has foreknowledge of things done because already been to the future instead of seeing the future. God sees what you already have done, not what you are going to do.

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Could be that God isn't even interested in mankind yet because they are nowhere near the evolutionary level to even pose a threat beyond THEIR OWN planet and existence ..... When God is necessary for MAN then I'd say a meeting would be inevitable ..... But WE as humans have about 4-5 MAJOR evolutionary steps BEFORE it's even a possibility ..... God's NOT stupid .... And I'm sure MUCH more perceptible to TRUTH than ME ......

Free will makes no sense, it has something religious. One way to avoid that, it could all perhaps be if I am allowed some SF, be like in a multiverse, where following an input, many possible paths can happen but with a spread in probability. All persons/versions in the different worlds think, with reason, they chose freely. I see it not as a matter of splitting or branching but more as a model where, like in modal realism, all possible realities already exist and even interact, a concept which is also more or less discussed in the many interacting worlds interpretation. What is called consciousness could be even this feeling of practically always being present, in a interworld superposition standing wave , in several nearby "almost" identical worlds at once. phys.org/news/2014-10-interacting-worlds-theory-scientists-interaction.html

If you have a addiction there is no free will how many die in there addictions

@williamburts5495

3 жыл бұрын

Unless somebody put a gun to your head and forced you to become an addict then you have an excuse, if not, you chose to become an addict.

Walter gives himself away when he talks of free will having "purpose". Once you start talking about purpose you are not doing philosophy you're doing theology, whether you're ascribing that purpose to a God or not.

Happy to not be a determinist automaton.

@caricue

2 жыл бұрын

Determinism is so dumb. You can literally see people responding to whatever is going on around them, and making choices based on knowledge and intention. Imagining that this was all preordained by the initial conditions at the big bang is mysticism of the highest order.