As a Northern German, if I eat a full packet of Fishermen's Friends, I can speak Dutch perfectly.

@annemarieklappe1667

Жыл бұрын

Same here but counterwise

@mrfrano100

Жыл бұрын

When I drink 3+ beers I can speak Dutch. Or so I thought. Only later I found out I’m a walking joke

@j.knetsch3413

Жыл бұрын

@@mrfrano100 hahaha it's the same for me if i drink 3+ beers i think i can speak German. Aber unsere Sprachen sind ähnlich!(when we are drunk enough)

@Iskelderon

Жыл бұрын

You might need to get shitfaced drunk first to get all that "-je" stuff down pat.

@peterkralt2478

Жыл бұрын

@@mrfrano100 According to my Dutch teacher when i was at school 32 years ago whenever i was sober i did not speak Dutch and whenever i was drunk i did not speak Dutch even more. But that's because he and i had a huge disagreement on which form of Dutch is Dutch and which not. He could only win that disagreement on paper but i still do in reallity. Since then more and more dialects he did not call Dutch are now official Dutch langauges and what he has been teaching is still a made up version that everybody must learn but nobody except for Dutch teachers actaully speak. And my version is today seen as that of the region that had the least changes in the past 1000 years so i speak Dutch these days and Dutch teachers teach science fiction!!. Therefor with 3 beers your Dutch is no worse than that of my teacher or mine depending on your point of view and i give a 10 out of 10 for even trying and a bonus point if done drunk.

Hilbert be answering questions we never asked out loud but have thought of

@jbb4105

Жыл бұрын

I actually did ask my mom but she didn’t know either lol

@bilbobaggins2302

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@punishedvenomsnake716

Жыл бұрын

I've been thinking about this one for a while lol. Love this channel =)

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

Жыл бұрын

Dutch=Duutsch=Deutsch=Doitsch=... They all mean the same thing - german. With the understanding that german means continental west germanic (yea I dont know about friesians). The people of the Nederlands are nederlanders.

@voxpopuli8132

Жыл бұрын

My question: Can someone please tell me, what is the background music starting around 4:35 ?

Interestingly the word "Þeudiskaz" still survives in modern-day Icelandic as "Þjóð" which means Nation.

@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad

Жыл бұрын

Makes since given how little Icelandic has changes compared to other germanic languages

@alLEDP

Жыл бұрын

Is the german word 'Volk' a possible decendent word?

@ThatIcelandicDude

Жыл бұрын

For those who are interested, I think the pronunciation would be fairly similar to the Old-English word Þeod.

@dittmannrudolfrohr2149

Жыл бұрын

@@alLEDP "Deutsch" means "völkisch".

@arthur_p_dent

Жыл бұрын

@@alLEDP no. Maybe essentially the same meaning, but different origin. Volk (and its English cognate "folk") derives from the same PIE root as "voll" (English "full", also a cognate) and "viele" ("many" in English, which doesn't appear to be a cognate)

I am Pennsylvania Dutch. My Dad spoke Pennsylvania Dutch and when he went to Germany they could basically understand him but they said he spoke "slang " to their ears...

@russbear31

Жыл бұрын

But more accurately you're Pennsylvania "Deutsche," or German. My American family was really Dutch--real Dutch. They came from Amsterdam and Haarlem in the Netherlands.

@voxpopuli8132

Жыл бұрын

@@russbear31 American brainwashing because of the German role in WW1 ans WW2 made her forget all these.

@arthur_p_dent

Жыл бұрын

Your father is lucky he went to the right parts of Germany. PA Dutch is very similar to Palatinate German, in Palatinate the locals should understand him, except perhaps for occasional Anglicisms and some expressions that PA Dutch kept but sound antiquated in modern "Pfälzisch" / Palatinate German. In north or east Germany, people would struggle much more understanding PA Dutch.

@nickmoser7785

Жыл бұрын

Were they Amish / Mennonite or did they leave?

@TheCynthiaRice

Жыл бұрын

@@nickmoser7785 They were German Reform. Not every PA Dutch is Amish or Mennonite. Some came as tradesmen. My family came in the late 1700's and settled in Berks County.

I remember back in the late 80s when i was a young boy i was playing computer games on my DOS pc. And as a german i wanted to play them in german. But i was not aware that "deutsch" is "german" in those menus where you chose your language. So i looked and only found "dutch" and thought "close enough". and that is why i am decent at reading dutch today but not able to speak it.

@telebubba5527

Жыл бұрын

LOL😆😅😂🤣

@coyotelong4349

Жыл бұрын

Lol, teaching yourself to read a foreign language just out of pure laziness, I love it

@slonzo8491

Жыл бұрын

This is very funny. I am Dutch and thought "Dutch" meant German so i would never select it. And that's why i always played the games in English 😂.

@jackiebuttnor8410

Жыл бұрын

How could a German not know that Deutsch is Deutsch? Unless you meant that you are of Deutsch extraction.

@IdontKnow-gt9cr

Жыл бұрын

​@@jackiebuttnor8410he didn't know that German means deutsch

I’m a simple german. I see a video of Hilbert. I instantly like. (And learn history of my own country and my near and dear neighbor)🇳🇱❤🇩🇪

@willvangaal8412

Жыл бұрын

Dankjewel , Ich liebe den Deutsche auch .

@Booz2020

Жыл бұрын

@@willvangaal8412 Indoensyians: Meneer please hold our BAJIGUR 🥃

@fuxihutterer8088

Жыл бұрын

i let the 88

@TheSuperappelflap

Жыл бұрын

mag ik nou mn fiets terug?

@weirdwickedworld6111

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSuperappelflap Hij blijft leuk

It's worth noting that "Þeudiskaz" is still used in Italian (tedeschi) to name Germans, as was in Old Spanish (tudesco)

@feldgeist2637

Жыл бұрын

thanks ! didn't know about the old spanish one

@eldariskenderfranke4284

Жыл бұрын

and that is where the word "deutsch" originates from

@OmarLakkis

Жыл бұрын

Teutonic sounds also related to the same root.

@abeedhal6519

Жыл бұрын

@@eldariskenderfranke4284 Um that's misleading. It's rather, that's derived of the word the Germans had for themselves. Including the original Longobards that settled in northern italy.

@nathanhiggers4606

Жыл бұрын

"Þeudiskaz", "Þeudi" reminds me of "Ludzie/Люди" - "the people".

First time on your channel. As an American Black man with a lot of Irish ancestry, born during WW2 (yes, I'm really old), all of this was quite new to me. I found it fascinating, instructive and enjoyable. History being my favorite subject probably has something to do with it. Subbed.

@historywithhilbert146

Жыл бұрын

Welcome!

@melvinjansen2338

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Would you care to explain where that Irish in you came from?

@mikespearwood3914

Жыл бұрын

@@melvinjansen2338 Lots of mating between white men and black women in the slavery era for one.

@TheGhostOf2020

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t the internet fabulous?

@melvinjansen2338

Жыл бұрын

@@mikespearwood3914 Oh because there were so many Irish serfs? I heard they were of really low class back then no? So they mingled with blacks? I know its not cool and all but you gotta love these stories.

Years back I found out that I can converse with a guy in Lübeck with just moderate difficulty. Then, later on I tried to converse with people in Ulm and found it next to impossible. Even Low and High German have huge differences. Oh, I don't know German (except a few words) but I know Swedish.

@KennyNGA

Жыл бұрын

I live about 5 mins from the Nederlands Border and i can unterstand most of you too

@explosivo666

Жыл бұрын

Languages aren't a singular block, at least until modern education / media with the standardisation of languages. Language was closer tied to region than modern nation state, the dialect spoken by the Upper / Ruling Class typically got designated the proper language and everything else a dialect. The dialects across a border in modern times can still be mutually intelligible.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

Жыл бұрын

@@explosivo666 Equally often the proper language was made artificially by intelectuals writing in a way where everyone in their nation would understand them.

@JMM33RanMA

Жыл бұрын

Try speaking to someone who speaks Swiss German; they will understand you, but you won't understand them. My German pronunciation is [I've been told] pretty good for an English speaker, but while I couldn't understand a word of what a Schwabisch speaker said, I was understood by them.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

Жыл бұрын

@@JMM33RanMA The alemans also know the standart language. Its like scots understand you fully, you understand them partially. Because they know standart english and you dont know scots.

A sidenote has anyone noticed that almost every ethnic group’s endonym will translate to some variant of ‘people who can read/our people’

@thenecromorpher

Жыл бұрын

It's likely due to tribalism, there are various ways to specify what group are in front of that person (typically before nations it was city-states, then before that it would've been skin color (it still is used unfortunately with some people), ie: ”hello [other(s)]")

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

Жыл бұрын

No its not so.

@feldgeist2637

Жыл бұрын

might also mean people/descendants of Tuisto it's pretty close if you speak it and well in the dialectical range even if we don't assume an ancient typo

@J.o.s.h.u.a.

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it normally translates to either "the people" or "the true people". It's just a way to differentiate your group from everyone else.

@ymmv99

Жыл бұрын

There's also the opposite reaction: there are those other people whose languages we can't understand. The Anglosaxons who conquered Britain in the 5th century called the Celtic people Welshmen and their country Wales. Welsh and Wales are derived from the Germanic word Walhaz which means foreigner. This is also how Wallonia got its name, that name was given to the Latin/French speaking population of modern day Wallonia by the Germanic tribes living in the Netherlands and Germany.

My maternal grandparents, both 1st generation American of German parents, called all German speakers "Dutchmen". They grew up in Queens NY in the erly 1900's.

@Allstar67676

Жыл бұрын

why?

@brokkrep

Жыл бұрын

@@Allstar67676 Proprably because Deutsch sound more like Dutch than German.

@henkschrader4513

Жыл бұрын

@@brokkrep nor only that if they comes from the nort and or west from Germany than they would speak more a german trying to speak dutch dialect and it could also just be bc our countries are so similar in language and culture and dutch is pretty much german with an dialect german is dutch with an dialect...

@henkschrader4513

Жыл бұрын

Oh and btw he said in the beginning 2 different people but we have the same blood as the germans

@tohaason

Жыл бұрын

@@Allstar67676 That was actually explained in the video..

Hi Hilbert, I remember a situation from decades ago. As a student originating from South of Netherlands I worked mid 1970 an internship at LHB in Salzgitter-Watenstedt. On the work floor the workmen spoke Plattdeutsch and they never thought I would understand them. But in general I could understand then quite nicely. One day I kindly declined a sandwich with a lot of garlic. And the guy said "Wah a boer nie kent, da vreet ie nie" and guess what (I know, you don't have to guess). That is a saying that we literally use in the South of the Netherlands. Hard to understand how those similarities in languages were kept through history! Greetings JB

@dittmannrudolfrohr2149

Жыл бұрын

It's a linguistic continuum.

@mikaelbohman6694

Жыл бұрын

Isn't Dutch actually a form of Plattdeutsch, but with a flag?

@lowersaxon

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is known across all of northern Germany.

@oleksiybiletsky4788

Жыл бұрын

This saying is used everywhere in the Netherlands, not just in the south.

@oleksiybiletsky4788

Жыл бұрын

@@mikaelbohman6694 No, it isn't. Plattdeutsch is a form of Saxonian while Dutch is based on Franconian dialects.

Common misunderstanding in America with the Pennsylvania Dutch, whose language and culture has not to do with the Netherlands but rather with a large number of people of German ancestry that settled in that part of the U.S. and consequently have German names, and words in their... Deutsch(en) Kultur...und Sprache!...Thanks for the video, most interesting and informative...

@koloblicin

Жыл бұрын

*Deutsch(en) Kultur

@alexanderkarayannis6425

Жыл бұрын

@@koloblicin Duly noted...and corrected!...

@michaelverbakel7632

Жыл бұрын

The Amish of Pennsylvania are descendants of the Deutsche German immigrants who came to America in the 1800's.

@arthur_p_dent

Жыл бұрын

@@koloblicin not sure one needs to declense a German word when using it in an English text. Nominative ("deutsche Kultur") should be fine in this context. After all, the genitive of "Jesus Christus" being "Jesu Christi" aside, we don't declense Latin nouns in German either.

@koloblicin

Жыл бұрын

@@arthur_p_dent yes not necessary but he originally had it "Deutsch(er) Kultur", wich is wrong.

As a Dane living in Scotland, I have - when speaking to people in English - often been confused with both being German and Dutch. When I say I am Danish, some people will say that they have been to Amsterdam, other people will just assume that I am German or Dutch from the accent on my English. Even though the word Danish Dutch and Deutsch might not be related then it seems like there are similarities. To my knowledge, the Norwegians are Swedes, do not encounter these wild accusations😊

@dirkbimini5963

Жыл бұрын

When Danish comes to my ears it sounds a lot like Low German dialects in the first seconds. Then I try to understand what people say, understand almost nothing and it becomes clear I'm listening to Danish instead. I am from Bavaria by the way. You are right that Swedish and Norwegian (Bokmål) have a more distinct North Germanic feeling than Danish which sounds much more mumbled to German ears. I also noticed that Danish speakers when speaking German appear to have much less accent than speakers of other Germanic languages. So Danish really can sound similar to German. Nevertheless I wouldn't be able to pronounce: Rødgrød med fløde. 😅

@alansmithee8831

Жыл бұрын

@Andreas Juul Mikkelsen. I watch Scotland History Tours channel and often comment along the lines of Hilbert's Geordie video, that southern Scots are more Angles than folk in Yorkshire, as a bit of a wind up to those who seem to hate anything south of the border. I always liked Scotland and my childhood hero from literature was Alan Breck Stewart. Another viewer, who also watches similar channels to me recently referred to me as the King of Danelaw in a reply elsewhere. I had recommended this channel to him for Viking content. Tell those Scots confused about where you are from that if it were not for the Danes they would be Alba and not Scotland. A recent video for Burns Night in Scots reminded me of words "nächtliche Schatten" from a German song, though as I commented, this was not what Tam in the poem did when he saw witches, but shadows in the night.

@SuperJuul81

Жыл бұрын

@@dirkbimini5963 Agree :-) and yes. Rødgrød med Fløde is hard. My Scottish partner still haven’t mastered “Røget ål” when ordering smoked eel for lunch. Another tung twister.

@methos4866

Жыл бұрын

That explains why my American friends always make dumb Danish jokes despite me being from the Netherlands.

@zacharydurocher4085

Жыл бұрын

@@dirkbimini5963 I speak French Canadian online in video games and get asked if I’m Swedish sometimes.

I think it's also worth mentioning that dutch and low German were once very similar especially during the hanse, it's only later on that they divate much more, especially with high German being now the norm.

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

And in the Netherlands the Brabantian and Flemish dialects got big influence on standard Dutch. That is why the 'official' languages grew apart.

@Diederikk

Жыл бұрын

Even into the 18th century Dutch plays were performed in Hamburg without needing translation. During the 16/17th century about a quarter to a third of the sailors were from 'Germany' and from the court cases it's often clear they did not need translators, which were present when f.e. French or High German speakers were on trial. Interestingly enough, during the Hanze times, Dutch and Low German were even mutually intelligible with Swedish. It isn't until the 16th century when evidence starts showing up that the languages are no longer mutually intelligible enough to communicate without translation.

@sebe2255

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchman7623 Mostly Brabantian, real Flemish is very different

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

@@sebe2255 Yep, West Flemish is a... different. 😄

@flletsplay8686

Жыл бұрын

I mean, it’s still quite similar. I’m from Hannover in Germany and we speak standard German / Hochdeutsch with a little bit of low German depending on ancestry. I don’t usually have problems understanding written Dutch. There a few words that are drastically different to German but most are just written a bit different. The bigger problem is understanding spoken Dutch since the consonant’s aren’t as hard and it overall just sounds like mumbling to Germans. Because of this it is a famous joke in Germany that Dutch is drunk german.

In German speaking Switzerland, the term for German is something like 'dütsch' or 'diitsch' (sometimes pronounced 'tiitsch').

@MrGunnar69

Жыл бұрын

In the Scandinavian languages, the word for German is 'Tysk', ch in German often becomes k in Scandinavian and y is pronounced as ü.

@brokkrep

Жыл бұрын

@@MrGunnar69 Well y is also pronounced as ü in German. Wether that or i or j (which is pronounced like y in German).

I found it quite interesting being a Portuguese who was brought up in The Netherlands learning that I could read easily complex books written in the Dutch language, because of the influence of latin I have from Portuguese. Knowing Dutch and Portuguese has given me bigger understanding of the languages and the influence dutch has from latin like Portuguese has from Arabic. Language is astonishing and intra cultural mix this has on us is gratifying.

@petersteinmeijer519

3 ай бұрын

But Portuguese is a Romance language whereas Dutch is Germanic.

In some Eastern region of the Netherlands the dialects that are or were spoken there are actually Low German (Niederdeutsch) and not Low Franconian which is Dutch! In other north-eastern regions of the Netherlands Frisian, a language of its own, is spoken, not Dutch. See "Dutch dialects" at Wikipedia.

to me somehow the dutch people are like a brothers and sisters . they are so nice and almost everyone speaks german. i always fell very welcomed and am actually kind of ashamed i don't speak dutch. plus dutch rap sounds incredible, because it has that "mix" of german and english, it just sounds so cool.

@freerkottema

Жыл бұрын

Eben, Sicherlich! Wir sind gute Nachbarn von ein ander..👍🏻

I find this absolutely fascinating, how languages ended up separating from each other and how other languages influenced the development of another. Language is so complex and interesting

In America, calling a Dutch man "Dutch" instead of his name is extremely common. Honestly, I think it's badass and mysterious.

@andrade9172

Жыл бұрын

He always has a plan

@Raubabbau

Жыл бұрын

@@andrade9172 And always wants some godam faith.

@Tsuma_Vento

Жыл бұрын

Like Dutch van der Linde in Red Dead Redemption... it sounds firm, strong, to me.

@telebubba5527

Жыл бұрын

It's a bloody cooking pot🙄

@Dutchman-2002

Жыл бұрын

@@telebubba5527 and you have no taste, we get it.

I am German and I like my dear Dutch neighbours very much.

@marcoravensbergen

Жыл бұрын

❤️

@riqtec

Жыл бұрын

I'm Northern Dutch and am really happy with my German neighbors

@TS-gi8zm

Жыл бұрын

I am Dutch and I live in Deutschland. Love that country!

@rdh67dh

Жыл бұрын

When you investigate.....you will see The Netherlands is still a German provence. Never been else since 1940. So....The Netherlands isn't a country at all.

@TS-gi8zm

Жыл бұрын

@@rdh67dh please show me the investigation.

I have been wondering this for a long time. Thank you thank you!

Smashed the like button. I needed this video to link to on so many occasions, thank you for providing it!

As being from the south east of the Netherlands, where we speak dialect, which is very similar to most of the German dialects, it was an interesting explanation. Especially about the pennsylvanian Dutch, which they connected directly to the Dutch in the series Friends, where "Monica" spoke broken Dutch. I also lived in the north of Germany, where I could use my dialect with the Germans who also were able to speak in dialect, which was a shocking experience for most of the other Germans.

2:36 Haha, this is perhaps one of the coolest sequences I’ve seen in a language video. 😂 Great job 👍🏼

I have always kind of wondered about this. Thanks.

Thanks for sharing your excellent Research 😀

Dutch, Flemish, German, English and the lot of Scandinavian languages, you nearly always hear some similarities.

@ferdicaylan7215

8 ай бұрын

These are not Scandinavian languages, they're Germanic

Perfect timing mate, I just started learning Low German and found out about the "Aldietse beweging", a Dutch movement to unite all Low German areas where they refer to themselves as "A Low German people", wich really fascinates me. So I am very interested in this topic at the moment.👍

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

Жыл бұрын

What I find weird is why they dont just call themselves saxon. That is how I refer to them most of the time.

@Meftu

Жыл бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 the low germans?

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

Жыл бұрын

@@Meftu Yes.

@Meftu

Жыл бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Well, while low german is derived from old saxon and there is a state in Germany called lower saxony (wich is the origin of the language), "Saxon" today in Germany refers to people from the state of Saxony (i.e. Upper Saxony), wich is not low german.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

Жыл бұрын

@@Meftu Rejected! There is Saxony and Upper Saxony. And I will speak this way forever and if the saxons where to also speak this way it would eventually be accepted, because its true.

It may interest you that Defoe still speaks of "High Dutch" in his novels when he is referring to the German language. Also, please be aware that "Platt" is actually used in a wider area than that where Low German is (or rather was) spoken, i.e. also along the Middle Rhine and in northern Hesse. It rather means "everyday vernacular", as opposed to the language used by priests, teachers and public officials (usually High German).

@MegaDesertfish

Жыл бұрын

I am originally from near Heerlen in Limburg, the Netherlands close to the German border. We refer to our dialect as 'plat'. Not plat dutch or german though. Just 'plat'.

@berndohm

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaDesertfish Yeah, same as us (in the area around Bremen). It's just "Platt"

@ThW5

Жыл бұрын

@@berndohm Sure, but in the Netherlands "plat" (noun) is used for the more rural dialects (Heerlen is old, but only started to grow into a "stad" starting in the 20 years before WW I).

@berndohm

Жыл бұрын

@@ThW5 Sorry for not being clear enough. Same thing here, it's also used for the rural dialects, not for the language spoken in Bremen itself. I don't think anyone in the city still speaks Low German, and even the rural dialects in the surrounding countryside are slowly dying out. I once had a Dutch friend visiting and showed him around Bremen, he was amazed at the old Middle Low German inscriptions on buildings and thought it was some kind of Dutch.

@TheMichaelK

Жыл бұрын

It’s also interesting to note that Plattdüütsch is a "newer" term. Back in Hanse times people just called their language düdesch - usually in contrast to Latin (however, in Low German/Low Saxon, the sch was most times still pronounced as sk, like it’s still today in Westphalian Low Saxon) - or sassesch or sassesche sprake (meaning Saxon language) to distinguish it from other languages, especially like High German (oaverlendisch, oberländisch) and Dutch.

Geweldige video! Dankjewel 😀

What a fantastic video meneer Hilbert. Well done!

Beign a Venezuelam anthropologist who grew up in Germany (and went back to Venezuela ) I was always curious about this topic. Great content 👍👍

Thanks for this video, I was literally just wondering this yesterday

Fascinating! Very well explained as always!

I always thought, it simply was because the dutch once probably were considered basically the same as the Germans so dutch was the original English word for dutch/germans but due to dutch and german splitting and Latin influence in English, dutch stuck with the Netherlands and Belgium and Germany/German was simply called german because it derived from Latin word of Germania.

@puchokoffie8152

Жыл бұрын

@@patrick-bu3eq really?

@puchokoffie8152

Жыл бұрын

@@patrick-bu3eq ooh I didn't know that. What else about them, Dutch and German are family or related?

@SoulDelSol

Жыл бұрын

@@patrick-bu3eq named after the Anglo-Saxons

@puchokoffie8152

Жыл бұрын

@@patrick-bu3eq ooh. Well but the Dutch people and English people are related?

I'm from sweden, before we was united the parts that is in central sweden was called Svidtjod, where tjod is a form of the word deutsh/dütsch and svid meaning "swede"so basicly the swedish people's land.

@tohaason

Жыл бұрын

@Freibursche Svidtjod or Svitjod was used until a few hundred years ago, from ON Svíþjóð, and the "Sví" part (which is where Swede is from) ultimately goes back to Proto-Germanic (reconstructed) "swihô" (from, probably, "*swe-"), which, unexpectedly, is assumed to mean "our people".

Fast, clear and extremely educational with a hint of humor, BRILIANT!!

Complimenten voor deze zeer informatieve video! Ik wist al redelijk wat, maar je hebt me echt nog wel wat geleerd. Dank je wel voor het delen van deze video!

"Nederduits" reflects the ancient concept of a "duits" identity (Deutsche) in the variants of the people from the ancient "Niederlande" (the lower countries like Burgundy, Brabant, Holland, Limburg, Gelderland, Lower Rhine, Westphalia etc.).

No doubt "thiudiskaz" is also the source for "tedesco," the Italian word for "German." Another example of the d- to th- shift is that "dorff" and "doorp" are the German and Dutch words for "village," while the suffix "-thorp" appears in many English place names.

I was wondering for so many years. Thank you so much for your effort

I have wondered about this my entire life. Thank you for clearing it up.

Records from 1832 refer to one of my ancesters as a "German Dutchman". This was in Tennessee, USA. So it seems that at that time, "Dutch" was a generic term in the USA, and it had to be modified with "German" in order to specify which precise type of "Dutch".

@sebe2255

Жыл бұрын

@@patrick-bu3eq What the fuck are you talking about Patrick

Dankjewel Hilbert. Dat was erg interessant. Super indrukwekkend hoe je de drie talen hebt gebruikt. Groeten uit Salzburg

@masonharvath-gerrans832

Жыл бұрын

Ich könnte alles gut verstehen, es ist unglaublich wie ähnliche Deutsch und Niederländisch sind. Edit: Freundliche Grüße aus Jena!

@methos4866

Жыл бұрын

@@masonharvath-gerrans832 Ik ken Duits ook vaak gewoon lezen.

History deserves to be taught, and shared. Thankyou for your kindness!

So cool, thank you a lot for this video, it's amazing, as always

This was brilliant!

Great video! But in the sound mixing I think it would be better to have the music be a little bit less loud compared to your voice. Especially, the music that kicked in as you started the bit on the Pennsylvania Dutch was comparatively loud. Verder een super goede video! Mooi gedaan!

Something I had wondered for a long time. Thanks.

Hello Hilbert. This was interesting as it was always one of those things that you only sort of know, if like me you learned German in school. This led to me being asked in Germany if I was Holländer, as it was not expected that someone from England would speak German. The restaurant owners we befriended in Spain were from Netherlands, though one was from right on the German border, which used to be not so formal as you said, so we joked he was Dutch Deutsch, since his German was like a German. Funnily my girlfriend's Austrian relatives recently said the same about my German, though I reckon there was an Austrian joke in there somewhere. To try to pick up some Dutch, I used to watch RTL4 on the old Astra satellite, when my company headquarters at the time were in Rotterdam, though when I went their English was excellent. Despite being able to play "Wheel of Fortune" in Dutch, from my English and German, the accent defeated me. All I remember is "Straks bij RTL4, Goede Tijden Slechte Tijden".

@rodjones117

Жыл бұрын

My Grandmother was German (Hessisch) - I have always spoken German, and I have spent quite a lot of time in Germany over the years. Like you, I have often been taken for a Dutchman, which I assumed was down to my accent.

@alansmithee8831

Жыл бұрын

@@rodjones117 As I replied to another comment, I do have ancestors from Holland - the one in Lincolnshire. I always assumed my Yorkshire dialect helped with German, but I just had someone replying on another video comments, having said that I can think in French, but my accent is reminiscent of a character in "Ripping Yarns" episode "Eric Olthwaite", which is very funny if you have not seen it.

@rodjones117

Жыл бұрын

@@alansmithee8831 I can't really see why a Yorkshire accent would particularly help you with speaking German. To me, the hardest sound to master is the German "r", and I don't think Yorkshire helps with that. In fact, possibly, my rhotic West Country accent might help more.

@alansmithee8831

Жыл бұрын

@@rodjones117 It was just that I had no problem being understood. Perhaps the Germans I met had more patience? I have mostly been in Paris, when in France, with everyone always busy.

@hiufgterde

Жыл бұрын

there are many people across the globe who somehow think Amsterdam is the capital of Denmark

For some reason this was actually a topic of discussion last week with my teenage daughter about her uncle now living in Amsterdam…

So interesting and well explained! thank you.

Great job explain! Keep up the good work.

To get from German to Dutch, just replace "von" with "van" and you're pretty much halfway there.

@mcyella0313

Жыл бұрын

And Aber to maar 😂

Thank you for the insightful video. Just a small correction: The North German Confederation was founded in 1866. In 1864 Austria and Prussia were at war with Denmark over the Duchy of Schleswig. By the way: the conditions for the territorial shape of today's Netherlands were created by the Habsburgs Maximilian and Charles V, who conquered the east and north of today's Netherlands in numerous wars against France, Friesland, Geldern and Kleve. Geldern was not conquered until 1543. The borders of the countries were not language borders at this time. East and west of the borders, the inhabitants spoke pretty much the same dialects (Frisian, Old Saxon or Lower Saxon and Lower Franconian or Lower Rhine). Standard Dutch and Standard German were just beginning to develop

Nice video Hilbert.

Thank you for the explanation and great video! I subscribed! 👍

Wow this video came at the perfect time for me! I told my friend that I'm learning both Dutch and German right now and he asked me yesterday why the word Dutch is so similar to Deutsch. I didn't really know and just said "Eh, the English probably got confused at some point and thought everyone in that area was the same." I suppose that's not entirely incorrect, but I had no idea there was so much to the story! Bedankt, mijn Vriend!

@johaquila

Жыл бұрын

IIRC, Hilbert treated the actual meaning change in English rather cursorily, possibly because what I think I know about it isn't actually certain. But for what it's worth, here it is: The split between German and English occurred around the time of the reformation, when the Gutenberg press had made books so affordable that even peasants read religious treatises like mad because they felt that they would end up in hell if they didn't make the right choice. The printers in Holland decided to translate the books from Germany rather than reprint them unchanged. This caused the linguistic split. At any other time in history, English speakers probably had at least as much contact to Germans as to Netherlanders, so they might well have started to refer to Dutch as Hollandish and continued to refer to German as Dutch. However, at that time there were a lot of engineers from Holland in England, reclaiming huge amounts of land from the sea. These had always been called Dutch, and it was natural to continue to refer to them as Dutch. Which is why a different word was needed for 'the other Dutch from slightly further away'. To solve this problem, some English scholar resorted to using the overly broad Latin term "Germanic", in the shorter form "German".

@alfa_kenny_body

6 ай бұрын

You are learning dutch and German at the same time?? You're either insane, really ambitious or both. Ich wünsche dir viel Glück und starke Nerven!

This was fun for me, as it made me remember my grandparents (father's side) both were first generation in US, grandpa was German and gramma was Dutch, I remember their stories of their parents (and gramma little wooden shoes) I also remember the differences you mentioned here and learning this as a child by my them

Awesome video!

Outstanding Hilbert. Bedankt👍

4:00 Deutsch in dozens of dialects was also one of the main languages in the holy Roman empire (of German nations) from 962-1806.

Thanks Hilbert, i did not think their languages were so closely related , .. I see the Dutch King and Queen and the Princess of Orange are visiting their territories in the Caribbean ... 👍👍

Loved the 16th century Norf F.C. guy popping by at 6:50.

Very good video. This answered a lot of questions I always have had about the details and distinctions going across the coast of the Baltic and the North Sea regions. My father had a grandmother who was of Frisian descent, and we were told she was Dutch but here you say Frisians have their own language and used to be their own Hanseatic political state. Thank you for this.

In Afrikaans we have Dutch for the Netherlands and Duits for Germany

Leuke en informatieve video, top!

Great video!

The greatest part of being British but speaking good German is that when I visit the Netherlands my brain is tricking me into thinking I understand what I am hearing and reading, but then my head just explodes. I imagine that this is what a small stroke feels like.

@Student-cs2ws

Жыл бұрын

En as du in stää vun dat Angelsassies nu op dat leern vun Neddersassies richten schall, en du di eyn lüttel bettken rond üm de Nedderlansche spraoke herom leert… schall dat eyn moment geevm dat iej bi naoh alles verstaon könnt. Eyn moment dat du seen schall häbbm dat dat Knief en the knive, nich so anners bünt as ie denket. Dat ‘ick hävv daon’ en ‘I have done’ up mekaor lieket, keyn ‘ge’ stähet daorvör. That the old nethersaxon also uses the verb ‘to have’ a lot more often. Yes, it is ‘ick hävv west’. And not ‘ick bün west’. If you learn Plattdüütsch you will not only learn about English, but also more about Dutch. If German and English were to be cousins of the Dutch language, Nethersaxon and Dutch could be seen as twins having their beautymarks in different places.

I learned in high school in the Netherlands that "Diets" referred to the language from around the 13th century from which the Dutch and German languages originated.

@johaquila

Жыл бұрын

I have often heard about this distinction between duits and diets, but (as a German speaker who hasn't learned much Dutch) wonder whether these were already separate words when the split of the Dutch-German language continuum occurred (around the time of the reformation, when people started reading like mad and printers in Holland decided to translate rather than just reprint), or whether people have since adopted two different regional forms of the same word because the meaning of the word split.

Excellent explanation!

Fascinating topic! :D

@Hilbert Could you make a clip how the Ommelanden and East Frisia stopped speaking Frisian and started to use low Saxon in the beginning of 15th century . It seems that happened quite quickly within one generation. What was the reason for this change. Hanseatic influence and its lingua Franca low Saxon/German? The Hanseatic city Groningen was always low-Saxon speaking.

Many Americans still believe that Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Dutch when it’s not. I think the English got confused and never cleaned up

Excellent video

Thanks for the effort...!!

Thanks to two very good German language teachers (who were also very strict, 1980-kind…), I was well “schooled” in the linguistics of the relevant north-western regions (south and east, not so much). However, they didn’t really provide a good historical narrative, so dank u wel for making my insights less patchy! Greetings from 🇳🇴…

I grew up in southern Ontario in Canada, specifically in Waterloo Region, roughly an hour's drive west of Toronto. Our local area only really began getting settled by Europeans in the 1830s. Some of the earliest and most influential settlers are widely known today as the Pennsylvania Dutch, but were actually Germans that chose to come to pre-Confederation Canada after initially living in Pennsylvania. They should, of course, be known as Pennsylvania Deutsch but the average person still refers to them as Pennsylvania Dutch (or at least they did when I was a child in the 1960s). We still have clusters of old-order Mennonites and Amish in the rural areas and driving around a horse and buggy is not remotely unusual in the rural areas. They still speak their dialects of German at home and you sometimes hear it in the smaller towns, particularly at farmers' markets.

@Alsayid

Жыл бұрын

But Dutch is indeed the correct term to use in this case, not Deutsch. The people refer themselves as Dutch. This also confused me for a moment when I was younger, and dated a girl in Pennsylvania who said she was Dutch. But as the video explains, this is the historic usage of the word.

I just l o v e this kind of thing. Very well explained and well, subscribed immediately. Thank you, Hilbert, looking forward to pillaging your videos! 🙂

The DT thing is interesting. Especially because there also used to be a spelling "teutsch". According to the internet, sometime around the 16th or 17th century.

Hilbert asks the real historical questions.

@misterbacon4933

Жыл бұрын

Complete agree!

I live in a neighborhood called Deutschtown because it was founded by Germans in the early 1800s. Over time the name degraded to Dutchtown even tho the Dutch have no connection. Eventually the official signage and such was recognized as Deutschtown

More than one hundred and fifty years ago, people called German and Dutch _High Dutch_ and _Low Dutch_ in English respectively. These old-fashioned English terms can be found in Jonathan Swift's novel "Gulliver's Travels" (1726).

Very interesting and thoughtful, well done. We are a mixture and will continue to.😊

Very good video.👍👍 Could you make a similar video about the Hanse trade organization, because it pops up in several historical video, but for me it just a bunch of cities. I like to know how it was organized, how the traded, it significance etc.

@kellymcbright5456

Жыл бұрын

That is really difficult. Since one could say: it was NOT organized :) It was just a gathering of mayors coming together and more or less declare something they want or do not want. It is really confusing to people who think in the ways of nation states, today.

@misterbacon4933

Жыл бұрын

That would be very interesting subject indeed!

@WhoStoleMyAlias

Жыл бұрын

@@kellymcbright5456 I think it would have been more like if they weren't interested they would drop a cannonball on your ship. Essentially yes it was just a bunch of cities independently from each other allowing this trade (collecting tax from it) and as a consequence becoming rich.

@kellymcbright5456

Жыл бұрын

@@WhoStoleMyAlias i know. I studied it :)

@onurbschrednei4569

Жыл бұрын

@@kellymcbright5456 I mean they fought a war against Denmark and won...

“There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.” Nigel Powers (from Austin Powers)

@Pat-Van-Canada

Жыл бұрын

wow, I have agreed with some things he has said, what a prick, I will stay away

@misterbacon4933

Жыл бұрын

Somehow it's a contraductus interminus...

@MuddieRain

Жыл бұрын

@@Pat-Van-Canada from a fictional character in Austin Powers? Or is that the joke? Lol

@Billy55563

Жыл бұрын

Why does this have to be brought up at literally any mention of Dutch, it's getting kind of old.

@historywithhilbert146

Жыл бұрын

Words to live by.

Always wanted to understand this, thanks. Will still need to watch this several times to get my head around it properly but your explanation is really, really good.

Thank you, your make some of my favorite history content! I have been trying to make some videos for my students, and I was software do you use for your graphics/animation?

Ik leer, Afrikaans, Nederlands en Fries. Ek hou van jouw kanal

@user-qd3rz7fb1t

Жыл бұрын

lekker vriende

@Pat-Van-Canada

Жыл бұрын

@@user-qd3rz7fb1t dank !

@TheRickyLevi

Жыл бұрын

Love the hybrid Dutch/Afrikaans ;). Gaaf, succes ermee! Heel erg bedankt! Groeten uit Nederland//Baie dankie, groete uit Nederland!

@Pat-Van-Canada

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRickyLevi Doh :) ! My Afrikaans is okai nou maar my Nederlands en Fries nodig baie meer werk ! Baie dankie !

2:53 it's interesting, Frisian is sort of in the middle where we have dropped the Þ, but we haven't replaced it all with a D but often a softer T: "Ik tocht dat de tinne dief de dikke toarn tankte". Written down it doesn't look like it, but when you say this sentence out loud you wouldn't use a hard D sound at 'Dief' en 'Dikke'

@telebubba5527

Жыл бұрын

Friesian is the closest language to English outside the Anglo Saxon realm of all languages.

@Burgermeister1836

Жыл бұрын

@@telebubba5527 Frisians are the unspoken 4th tribe of the Anglo-Saxons. They settled England in almost as great a number as the Jutes, but were dispersed among different kingdoms. All of those people were of the Ingving (Ingvaeonic) branch of the ancient Germanics, the so-called "North Sea Germanics".

@telebubba5527

Жыл бұрын

@@Burgermeister1836 Indeed. I know all that. In fact many Saxons were basically Friesians, but for some reason, probably subjugation, were dealt with the name of their enemy.

Alstublieft for sheding some light on this topic !

Fascinating stuff. I love hearing about how languages change and development over time. Weird considering I am such a terrible anglophone.

1:28 "fieldish" meaning "native"? It's interesting because the word "polish" (polski) in old polish meant "fieldish", "from field" from "pole" meaning "a field".

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

Heard that Iran means 'our land' in Farsi.

Was born between Hanover and Brunswick and raised on a small village. So I understand Plattdeutsch. Later I learned English. And then I had a job in the accounting were I had to read letters from the belastingdienst of Netherlands (hope I wrote it correct, 10 years past). I always wondered about the differences between Dutch and deutsch. But I saw so many parallels, especially in writing. So thank you for this interesting video. Seems so logic now :)

@dutchman7623

Жыл бұрын

If you apply a few sound shifts, even English will turn into Dutch. Most basic words are identical and a lot of import has been imported to Dutch as well.

@chbrnds4759

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchman7623 yes, I know. My direct boss came from Arheim. We often speak about the similarity and differences between those three languages.

@jarnobot

Жыл бұрын

You wrote Belastingdienst perfectly well. I believe Dutch has more similarities with English grammerwise, but more simularties with German word-wise

Back in high school I worked at the Magic Kingdom and it was right around the time of the Berlin wall coming down. I took German in high school since I had wanted to work for Mercedes in Stuttgart. I passed an oral test to get a pin that said "Ich spreche Deutsch" and was looking forward to practicing my second language. While a few German speakers noticed it and spoke German with me the vast number of inquiries I got were from Americans in shock that I spoke Dutch! I cannot tell you how many times I figuratively rolled my eyes and said, "No, I speak Deutsch, German".

My oldest known ancestor came to the Netherlands around 1800 (or just before) from what is now Germany (the west of Nordrhein-Westfalen). At that time, the languages were still easily interchangeable. It was more dialects that differed. So he could easily make himself understood. My mother-in-law was born and raised in Enschede. Near the border with Germany. I remember well that when a German acquaintance called, she switched to German so easily. And she also spoke "Plattdeutsch" fluently.

Thanks for the video and for explaining the word thedisch. I always wondered where the Italian word for German, tedesco, comes from. Now I know.

Nieder means the same as platt/flat/low/