Why I still Don't Like Laminated Guitar Necks

Тәжірибелік нұсқаулар және стиль

In this video, I will TRY to clarify why I don't like making laminated guitar necks. If you would like to help support my channel and get something cool in return, please consider the following:
www.eguitarplans.com/
/ highlineguitars
#luthier #guitarbuilding #guitarmaker

Пікірлер: 114

  • @BillaPans
    @BillaPans6 ай бұрын

    Thanks for all your video content. I exclusively make laminated necks for my acoustic guitars. Once laminated, I leave my necks for a year or longer on the shelf before cutting for a build. My instruments have only been on market for 3 years, but travel around our country from one extreme humidity/temperature to the next. Haven’t had any seaming/separation issues. Side by side next to one piece necks with truss rods, they don’t warp or bend nearly as much and string action issues are not a problem. Breaks my heart to see a working musician having to fiddle with a truss rod, see it often, that’s what changed my builds to laminated necks. If we have to worry about warping and seaming of stressed glued wood, every glued part of a guitar should then become an issue, especially acoustic guitars with a seam right through the centre of the thinnest and most stressed piece of wood on it, the soundboard.

  • @erickaufmancustomguitars1351

    @erickaufmancustomguitars1351

    6 ай бұрын

    How many neck blanks have you rejected after shelving said blank a year ?

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot16 ай бұрын

    You mentioned that "A guitar neck is constantly under at least 300 pounds of pulling force from the stings." According to the Specs on the D'Addario site, a set of EXL110, 10-46 Regular Light Electric guitar strings (very commonly used) have a total string tension for the set of 102.52 pounds. Acoustic Guitar strings typically have a much higher string tension. For example, as set of their EJ17, 13-56 Medium Phosphor Bronze Acoustic Strings has a total string tension of 185.27 pounds. Under any specs and circumstances, that is a lot of tension to have on a piece of wood over many years, and a variety of weather/humidity conditions. You definitely want to have a well made neck that is going to withstand those forces.

  • @monday6524
    @monday65246 ай бұрын

    A great well thought out video. Made a lot of sense.

  • @rellikguitars7237
    @rellikguitars72376 ай бұрын

    As a home builder who sells very few guitars, and given that I do it on a very tight budget, I often laminate my necks. I have had no problems so far with warping at all, but I have recently had an issue with seam sprout on a neck I made a couple of years ago. I needed to sand it back and refinish it. Thanks for your thoughts 💜💜Sarah

  • @burp1914
    @burp19146 ай бұрын

    No comments I've read so far about tonal changes. Does two strips of maple give you a 66% brighter tone. If a guitar falls of the stand and no one.....Sorry Chris. Many good points in the video!

  • @Mikey__R
    @Mikey__R6 ай бұрын

    For my own guitars, it's the same as making my own furniture: I do the best that I can. That means hand planing every glue surface with a #7 jointer and checking for straightness and flatness. It might be that some people might be buying 19mm boards from the timber yard and gluing them together without first jointing the surfaces, I don't know. I've seen bad glue lines on some quite high end boutique guitars. I also see a lot of furniture being built on KZread, that would pull itself apart within a year of humidity fluctuations in Northern England. All I know is, I do the best I can, and that's how I know that my guitars and my furniture are good enough for me. I'm still quite a few guitars off being able to sell them though.

  • @Jgreen2794
    @Jgreen27946 ай бұрын

    Your concerns are well founded, and make sense to me. On the other hand, there are a great many guitars in existence with laminated necks that have proven stable. Like so may other things in guitar making, it has to be done correctly. For the individual maker, this can be a real problem. For a factory, they can keep on making them wrong until they get it right.

  • @user-bw8kl6rw9o
    @user-bw8kl6rw9o6 ай бұрын

    How about a video, or series of videos, explaining the best practices or correct way to assemble a laminated neck? That sort of information would be helpful to those of us who are interested in laminating guitar necks to determine if it is actually worth it to us to do so.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    OMG, I just made a video explaining what I don't like to make laminated necks!!!!!

  • @user-bw8kl6rw9o

    @user-bw8kl6rw9o

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars Yes Chris, exactly. In that video you mentioned that you have built (and showed us one) laminated guitar necks that are perfectly stable. A lot of your dislike was that many laminated necks are not constructed using best practices and I can totally see that. I personally like the concept of laminated necks in some circumstances, but I've never been clear on what those best practices might be. I simply thought, since you seem to know they correct way to build them, you might be able to pass that information along to other like myself, or even point us towards other, trusted sources for that information. I apologize if my comment came across as anything other than sincere, as I'm coming to greatly appreciate the information you share.

  • @shawnbryant60
    @shawnbryant606 ай бұрын

    You make good since, make no dought about it!

  • @mykemrgAK57
    @mykemrgAK576 ай бұрын

    Sometimes/quite often hard to get real quarter sawn,lamination does for allow for rotating the grain but a little more work with hot hide glue, clamping etc

  • @Dankma
    @Dankma6 ай бұрын

    Great video as always. The only difference I’ve experienced between Quarter sawn and laminate is that whenever you carve out the neck, the quarter sawn seem to have more stress relief, therefore some natural back bow, unlike laminate, which pretty much stayed almost straight. But this is definitely not an absolute.

  • @juliorolandi6694
    @juliorolandi66946 ай бұрын

    As long as the joints are well crafted (planing, glueing, pressing) the joint is actually stronger than the wood itself, but if the joint is poorly made, it becomes a point of failure, please check traditional woodworking joints without nails and screws, dovetail, mortise and tenon and see the rates of failure when a force is applied perpendicular and parallel to the joint

  • @4newdogs
    @4newdogs5 ай бұрын

    It's not that they didn't grasp as you state. It's that many, like me, drew on real world experience of over decades with many highly respected luthiers. No worries though. Keep doing what is successful for you and hundreds of luthiers who have been building laminated necks for decades will continue to do what they do.

  • @kennyayala6189
    @kennyayala61896 ай бұрын

    Regarding the archery wood construction point you brought up: I think this is a FANTASTIC point about the Guitar being under CONSTANT tension and the Bow being under TEMPORARY tension. Another thing to note about the bow that I think is worth pointing out is that although the act of DRAWING the bow (which is specifically what Chris was talking about) does place momentary tension on the bow limbs, it IS under tension while it is STRUNG. It’s just that when you pull it back you are adding even MORE tension to the limbs in order to fire the arrow. The fact that it can snap back to its original position after the shot is taken is a VERY different act of physics than the neck on a guitar being CONSTANTLY strung up and holding tune without bowing, back-bowing or warping. Also keep in mind that a bow is only meant to be strung up while it is used - anyone who owns a bow should know to unstring their bow when putting it away so the limbs don’t lose their tension (i.e. if you were to keep it strung too long, the limbs would slowly change shape and be able to produce less force than they were originally). Guitars, on the other hand, are meant to be placed under constant tension for many years at a time so the requirements are very different. Also, man-made and composite materials have the added benefit of being more consistent for the manufacturer to get similar results with - with wood or other natural materials you are a little more beholden to their “built-in” properties (such as the grain direction, etc.) so they can be somewhat less predictable. Thanks for sharing, Chris! Merry Christmas!

  • @Liuskan
    @Liuskan6 ай бұрын

    A structural engineer here, what you said about the bow being under stress for a shorter period and the neck being under constant stress is correct. When designing timber structures one makes different calculations according to the duration class of the load. Under permanent loads (the guitar) timber is assumed to have roughly 65% of the strength compared to the same timber under instantaneous load (a bow pull)

  • @ChazzDaGrazze

    @ChazzDaGrazze

    6 ай бұрын

    wouldnt the plucks of the guitar strings count as instantaneous loads?

  • @Liuskan

    @Liuskan

    5 ай бұрын

    @@ChazzDaGrazze Technically yes, but the load difference between strings at rest and peak load during plucking are negligible. String bending would fall under the same category and it would introduce higher loading than plucking alone amounting to no more than 0.6% higher load.

  • @LogicalQ
    @LogicalQ6 ай бұрын

    Of note, the laminations of archery limbs are subject to tension/compression forces applied perpendicular to the laminated layers (as flex is desirable); whereas the tension in a guitar neck occurs in parallel to the layers. (Flex is undesirable) It is highly ill advised to store your archery limbs under tension, as it has a propensity to ruin them. As for the use of wood vs composites, many trad bow guys still favor the wooden limbs or hybrid wood/composite over full composite for the feel/release characteristics.

  • @willhoren9200
    @willhoren92006 ай бұрын

    Great video. Just a point of fact, a six string guitar is never under 300 lbs of tension. Most are 100-150 lbs depending on string gauge, scale length, and tuning.

  • @matthewf1979

    @matthewf1979

    6 ай бұрын

    I think a little edit is required here.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    I had just read an article about a bow that has a 300lbs string pull and that number was stuck in my head.

  • @heikoschwammle4650

    @heikoschwammle4650

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitarsI‘m an archer as well as a guitar player and 300 lbs is a very high draw weight on a bow. A strong longbow has as about 150 lbs and is hard to draw. But you are right, most bows today are made of composite materials and you don’t even let the string on after shooting, especially for a wooden bow. I’m with you, why making it complicated and risky when you can do it simple and reliable.

  • @reese-techguitars8943
    @reese-techguitars89436 ай бұрын

    Actual archery bow are under constant tension, and tension increases when drawn. There are gauges that test lbs of pressure for every now made, and that's how you know you're buying a 50lb bow, 100 lb bow, 160 lb bow etc. They'll be tested at rest and at load. Ironically, the same pull test is used to test airline seats to test the amount of G forces it can handle in an abrupt stop.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Great. Still means nothing to the guitar builder.

  • @reese-techguitars8943

    @reese-techguitars8943

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars except that the device could be used to test the give of a neck. Just saying, there are ways to test the tension. Someone might care what the neck can handle. Of course there isn't really anything to compare it to, but....

  • @travisbouton4056
    @travisbouton40566 ай бұрын

    Never thought about a lamenate. Glad to be reasured there are really no rules. And hey learned some new stuff. Thanks

  • @demokraatti
    @demokraatti6 ай бұрын

    My EJ signature Strat has the most stable neck of my guitars. It’s made of perfect piece of quarter sawn maple. The wood has very tight and perfectly straight grain. The neck is also rather thick. This is how you make a stable, stiff and strong neck.

  • @iandeare1
    @iandeare16 ай бұрын

    Very interesting, I've never made a neck, although I've done decorative laminates (under no stresses) I did always think they looked cool 😉

  • @timec818
    @timec8186 ай бұрын

    Good video

  • @johnosborne3187
    @johnosborne31876 ай бұрын

    I've done that! :)

  • @zeusapollo8688
    @zeusapollo86886 ай бұрын

    In wooden boat building we have run out of big timber... laminated parts are considered stronger. Laminated frames, deck beams, and spars are all regarded as stronger than a single piece of wood. It does take more time to produce them and it changes the tooling requirements to finish them. I have a 40 year old yamaha laminated neck thru guitar that is the bees knees. They must have done it right for it to survive this long. I definitely appreciate that in small scale boutique guitar making there is not much reason to do it this way.

  • @ChazzDaGrazze
    @ChazzDaGrazze6 ай бұрын

    Here's the short version: It requires doing it correctly. There are more steps too, so it's harder. Single slab necks are easier and just as good. Those are good reasons, actually. I cant really argue. I just like gluing stuff up, its fun. I have ready to go a 30 piece guitar, in my garage right now ready to go. Pretty soon it will be a guitar shaped object. Cheers!

  • @gtrslngrchris
    @gtrslngrchris6 ай бұрын

    Lack of highly-specific data doesn't really sell this idea to me especially when there is broader data that suggests otherwise especially with how most neck laminations are done. I think your point also misses how much stress can often be removed from a piece simply by cutting it in half and gluing it back together thus making it more stable. Beyond that, I think it's becoming more and more standard to add CF rods or similar to enhance rigidity and stability and this allows you to use more and more interesting wood as opposed to limiting yourself. I think that using smaller pieces in the laminate also largely negates a lot of warp and twisting that can occur as the smaller the piece is the less the effect it can have on the overall neck stability along with more glue joints to hold it all in place. Finally, I think most neck laminations are for aesthetics, or to be able to make better use of exotics at budget, and no matter what in the right environment different wood is going to move differently so just because your oak laminated to oak joint isn't felt after 2 years doesn't mean it won't be after 10 or 20, etc but it does probably mean it won't be felt as soon as if it was oak-purpleheart-oak or something wildly different inbetween. I feel like I've been overly negative here, maybe that's why I've retyped this 10 times, but the whole video seems somewhat pedantic while missing industry trends, practices and other aspects of wood laminations like the size of each individual piece of the whole.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Prove it.

  • @gtrslngrchris

    @gtrslngrchris

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars which part, exactly? I don't feel like I'm challenging the conventions much aside from stating that I believe most laminations are for aesthetics which I would argue is true in context as we're not talking about knockoff Squier budget guitars here.

  • @burp1914

    @burp1914

    6 ай бұрын

    I think his point about cost is valid. CF and glue ups add cost. Multilam's look cool but i question the benifit. If you are making a thousand units and the wood quality may vary, laminating may be cost effective. Good wood choices and proper practices will give the same result. Let's all go aluminium or CF to avoid any wood.

  • @zAvAvAz
    @zAvAvAz6 ай бұрын

    Can you super glue or epoxy neck halves?

  • @sunn_bass
    @sunn_bass6 ай бұрын

    Nice topic. You raise a good and valid point that a laminated neck must be done correctly. But so does cutting frets, gluing in a set neck, gluing the fretboard to the neck along with every other aspect of building a guitar. The failure rate of necks of any construction method is quite low, whether the wood is flat sawn, quarter sawn or laminated. Most failures come from poor quality wood or even what looks like good quality wood that just won't be stable. That issue would apply to all methods but will be minimized somewhat by lamination. The first thing any good guitar needs is quality wood that is properly dried and seasoned. All glue joints need to be cleaned of any oils and dust. A quality glue needs to be used with proper clamping technique. If seams are a problem with laminated necks, then the same would hold true for glued on fingerboards. So should all necks be one piece necks? No. No distespect, but personally I think you're making a bigger issue of this than it is. I've never seen the issues you mention in my 40 years experience. I did actually see a body with separation of woods, but it was an 80's no name import that looks like teak and Rosewood glued up with white glue. But every aspect of that instrument was poor. I know many materials engineers that can prove mathematically that laminated wood is more stable, ridge and resistant to warping than a single piece. Material engineering laws and theory does actually apply to guitar construction. There is no magic to guitar building. I think a great topic is carbon reinforcement rods in necks. Really how effective ate those. I've seen some that are very ridged and some that flex more than the wood routed for them. I think those ate as big of a marketing item as anything. Again it comes down to the quality of the material and craftsmanship. Great video, really thought provoking. Fun hearing the different opinions.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    All I’m trying to do is equip my viewers with a healthy dose of skepticism when to believing claims that can’t be verified. I have spoken with way too many people recently who have been misled by questionable claims made by luthiers and guitar manufacturers. While I plan to continue focusing on guitar making videos, I will from time to time make buyer beware commentaries.

  • @sunn_bass

    @sunn_bass

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars Skepticism is good. Way too much marketing hype by manufacturers and even small builders. Many guitar myths and perceptions are not rooted in fact. Tonewoods is always a fun topic. Some folks swear that the woods are the primary factor for a solid body guitar, others say the the wood makes little to no difference. Again, nice video.

  • @dieselpower66.6
    @dieselpower66.66 ай бұрын

    now we need a video about how to choose "good piece of wood for guitar neck" :)

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    I will try to do that with my next KZread Guitar project.

  • @sunn_bass

    @sunn_bass

    6 ай бұрын

    Getting good wood is important, as is the drying process. Even the best pieces of wood can move drastically once the wood is shaped. I always rough shape necks and let them acclimate for a few weeks before final prepping for the fingerboard.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    @@sunn_bass Very good point. I alway let my necks rest a few weeks after they have been carved because the act of removing wood releases tension in the wood causing it to move.

  • @sparrowhawk81
    @sparrowhawk816 ай бұрын

    Do you happen to have a video or something where you discuss the best things to do to make sure a laminated neck DOES stand up to the stresses of use and time? I Would imagine things like even clamping pressure for a long enough time are important. Anyway thanks for the video. I've personally always had a hard time believe that laminate necks contribute a lot to TOAN vs just a really good neck made from a quality board if your choice. I can believe that mahogany sounds different from maple (to what extent eh I dunno) but laminate of the two? I dunno.

  • @TimTrOn3000

    @TimTrOn3000

    6 ай бұрын

    If you have a good joint 45-60 minutes is more than enough clamping time. Clamping is only to get the glue layer as thin as possible. Gluing over night is pointless for wood glue

  • @TimTrOn3000

    @TimTrOn3000

    6 ай бұрын

    Also maple and mahogany are a bad choice because of expansion coefficients. Different woods expand different in changing humidity... you need wood with common expansion coefficients. Maple/walnut... maple/purple heart work the best in my experience

  • @sparrowhawk81

    @sparrowhawk81

    6 ай бұрын

    @@TimTrOn3000 Pointless but harmless? Just curious.

  • @GoldPlate29
    @GoldPlate296 ай бұрын

    Well, a lot of well-known luthiers think exacly the opposite, and they swear by the strength of their 5 pieces laminated necks.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Because they can charge more and they know a sucker is born every minute.

  • @alamaralaa

    @alamaralaa

    6 ай бұрын

    Chris, you think anyone who pays more for a laminated neck is a sucker? I would have thought that sort of comment was beneath you...

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    @@alamaralaa What would you call someone who pays more for something that has not been proven to work? I think sucker is a rather polite term compared to others used in the modern era.

  • @emilymiller1853
    @emilymiller18532 ай бұрын

    And no. In archery, the bow is always under tension while strung. It simply varies when drawn and fired. This is a much less stable condition to exist and function. Modern bows being composites and metals now is mostly a function of weight and efficiency, and mass production. And these issues have created problems with durability in many modern high performance bows. And just a heads up... Almost ALL modern bow limbs are laminated composites.

  • @nadennight
    @nadennight6 ай бұрын

    I want to build a guitar from the trees in my yard, but I don't want to cut down too large of a tree. I think I'll have to go with laminate.

  • @ayookissmyass7507
    @ayookissmyass75077 ай бұрын

    i can feel the laminations in my martin now that the neck is worn in. not terrible, but not great

  • @undead3162
    @undead31626 ай бұрын

    Ive been thinking of laminating, but i am ready to be convinced otherwise! Cant wait!

  • @LogicalQ

    @LogicalQ

    6 ай бұрын

    Book match your layers, make sure your wood is sufficiently and homogeneously dry, use an adhesive that’s up to the task, apply it and clamp evenly… and as with bonding any dissimilar materials, The expansion coefficients need to match up. It’s more work, but performs fine and looks cool. Chris is just pointing out that you’re introducing more unnecessary potential points of failure, which as a builder, adds labor cost and presents a long term QC challenge with negligible benefit.

  • @devinnorman5713
    @devinnorman57136 ай бұрын

    I just dove into my first guitar build so I've been reading and watching a lot of videos like this. I must say you did not convince me, a video titled why you don't like laminated necks should show a good reason why? Instead your video basically just points out that there's not enough data, that missing data could just as easy prove that it's far superior but maybe it is equal or worse? The other point that you make is that there are no standards/set rules on how to do it correctly which is a fair point but that's where the educated Luthier steps in. I have to believe most Luthiers out there are quite knowledgeable on the matter. It's an opinion, people journey through life lead them into different trains of thought and that's what it comes down to. Myself the non Luthier but very seasoned woodworker I will be doing a laminate. To make a great example of why I like it.. I bought a 1 piece Maple neck guitar, showed up with not a bow but a kink in the neck, flip the guitar over and there's an obvious change in grain right at the kink? Yes, they never should have used it, poor lumber selection but my point is laminating combines layers so any weakness is supported by others. That's just my simple minded approach.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    You need to understand that I build guitars to sell and I feel morally obligated to be honest with my clients. Therefore, making a claim that cannot be substatiated with reliable data is morally wrong and absolutely a good reason to make one piece necks instead of laminated necks. There is no proof that laminated necks are better than one piece necks. At the same time, there is no proof that one piece necks are equal to or better than a laminated neck. However, since a one piece neck is much easier and faster for me to make, that's always going to be my preferred choice.

  • @greghopkins18
    @greghopkins186 ай бұрын

    My only comment is this video is Gold, thank u

  • @tiagoramalhais5493
    @tiagoramalhais54936 ай бұрын

    Out of my 20+ guitars, the most stable has a laminate neck (LTD made in indonesia), maybe it will warp with time, maybe it wont, i understand your point of view, for me neck lamination is not a factor when purchasing a guitar, but i would say that assuming it's done properly the physics case for laminate necks is a valid one.

  • @AnnaStafford-zh1sz
    @AnnaStafford-zh1sz6 ай бұрын

    IMHO laminated guitar necks are more about looks than function.

  • @cockysonuvaB
    @cockysonuvaB6 ай бұрын

    all I heard was: "laminated-necks" and I came to the comments to tell you you're wrong!😥

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Fine. Now back up your assertion with acceptable proof.

  • @nomojoe8150
    @nomojoe81507 ай бұрын

    Laminate is the best for me.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    7 ай бұрын

    You might change your mind after watching the video.

  • @johndo9648
    @johndo96485 ай бұрын

    So someone made a study on lamimated necks. I guess. And is better then non laminated necks now? 🤔

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    5 ай бұрын

    Who?

  • @DE-GEN-ART
    @DE-GEN-ART6 ай бұрын

    just reinforce the neck with anything, carbon fiber, aluminum, steel, titanium, epoxy. as long as you reinforce the neck it doesn't matter as long as your joints are proper

  • @Maximuscottius
    @Maximuscottius6 ай бұрын

    Surely the whole point of going to a boutique maker is due to their skills as a luthier? These skills are validated by the reputation of their instruments...this reputation is the equivalent of the construction lumber strength tests that you refer to. If a luthier is not confident enough in their skills in building a strong laminated neck they have no business charging boutique prices for their instruments regardless of how long it takes them to build - any failures will affect their reputation. The Goodalls, Sobels and the like of the world can charge high prices as their reputation and thus demand allow them to. I would argue that it takes considerably more skill to select the wood and manufacture a laminated neck than simply choosing a well saeasoned quarter sawn piece for a non laminated one. I would also guess that a poorly made laminated neck on a cheaper guitar would generally out-perform a poorly made non laminated one

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Judging a luthier's skills by their reputation is flawed since their reputation can be inflated by artificial means i.e., marketing.

  • @Maximuscottius

    @Maximuscottius

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars Reputation is completely separate from marketing, it comes from consistently building high quality instruments, people playing these instruments and recommending them to others who then go on to play the instruments and further recommend them and so on.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@Maximuscottius www.google.com/search?q=reputation+marketing&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS1069US1069&oq=reputation+mark&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEAAYFBiHAhiABDIMCAAQABgUGIcCGIAEMgYIARBFGDkyBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyDAgFEAAYFBiHAhiABDIHCAYQABiABDIGCAcQRRg8qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  • @dalgguitars
    @dalgguitars6 ай бұрын

    Leo Fender made huge numbers of necks out of flat sawn maple.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Yes, he did. However, his concern was mass production, not neck stability.

  • @dalgguitars

    @dalgguitars

    6 ай бұрын

    And yet most of his necks were pretty stable. Even 50 years later. Unless you are saying most of his necks were un-stable.?.@@HighlineGuitars

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    @@dalgguitars Are you saying there is data to support your assertion?

  • @dalgguitars

    @dalgguitars

    6 ай бұрын

    And you, as well?@@HighlineGuitars

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    @@dalgguitars I am not making any claims that require justification.

  • @tjforgey7854
    @tjforgey78546 ай бұрын

    Wood all ways gives me issues!just thought a joke was in order

  • @cheesusXcrust
    @cheesusXcrust6 ай бұрын

    Laminated necks are basically an aesthetic thing like most of the woods used in electric instruments, but I wouldn't say their structural integrity is not as good as a single piece neck. And I'm definitely not sharing the opinion with you that a laminated neck is more likely to warp, because if that would happen, a lot of big manufacturers wouldn't do it, just because of dealing with raging customers. In the end it's an aesthetic choice what either the customer or the luthier finds the most attractive for the instrument.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    At no time in this video did I say that a laminated neck is more likely to warp. Please go back and watch it again especially the part at the beginning where I said people don't listen or pay attention.

  • @cheesusXcrust

    @cheesusXcrust

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@HighlineGuitars then check what you say at 7:30, because that can basically happen to any neck even to a single piece of quarter sawn maple. And lamination has strength benefit and doesn't react that much to climate changes and the kinds wood you use, the order and the direction doesn't matter that much because it's blocking each other from warping. That's basic carpentry.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    @@cheesusXcrust What I said was with regard to laminated necks that are NOT MADE CORRECTLY! Not correctly made laminated necks.

  • @emilymiller1853
    @emilymiller18532 ай бұрын

    Doesn't make Sense. Inspection? It's not structural. There is no risk. Can't justify the cost because no inspection? Value and Price\Labor aren't justified by 3rd party inspection or approval. Comparing a musical instrument to any other field is wild. Lamination done in a reasonable manner isn't rocket science. It's been done for centuries. It's not guesswork. No different than attaching a fretboard to a QS neck.. it's a lamination. Yes. Randomly gluing wood together is ill advised.... But so is randomly doing anything regarding luthiery.. When people pay you to perform a task... They are paying for your knowledge and ability, and their TRUST in your skills and knowledge. And lamination.. like any part of guitar\luthiery joinery... Is a process of knowledge, skill, and experience. The argument that they are no codes or inspections protecting the buyer when there is lamination... 😂 There is no code or inspection regarding ANY PROCESS within the guitar building process. Shall no one trust a builder of QS necks with glued fretboards? Laminated bodies? Maple tops? No code or inspection. Sorry. Makes no sense. Nothing is ensured in custom guitar building. There is nothing particular about a laminated neck in that regard.

  • @MrDaneBrammage
    @MrDaneBrammage6 ай бұрын

    I think you're conflating two unrelated issues when talking about laminated construction lumber. It's absolutely true that there are a lot of regulations and tests regarding laminated lumber, but it's equally true that there are a lot of regulations regarding non-laminated lumber in construction. If it were true that the presence of regulations for laminated construction wood means that you shouldn't use laminations in guitars, then it would be equally true that the regulations for non-laminated wood mean you shouldn't use non-laminated wood in guitars. It just doesn't follow. The argument about forces is also not really valid as stated. Stresses due to weight/gravity are not uniquely difference from those due to string tension. If the magnitude and direction of the stress is identical, the behaviour will be identical regardless of the source. However, it is very true that the *requirements* are not the same. If the seams on a laminated floor joist creep fractionally and can be felt, it doesn't affect the function and nobody cares. And the magnitude of stress is vastly higher in a guitar neck. Building codes commonly specify a residential floor load of 40 lb/ft^2 or about 0.3 psi. A guitar neck carries over 100 lb of compression through a cross-section of less than 2 in^2, so about 50 psi. (Yes, I'm comparing a bending load to a compressive load. The apples-to-apples comparison is left as an exercise for the reader.)

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    If laminated guitar necks had to be tested in order pass inspection, I'm fairly certain the testing procedures would be different from how laminated construction lumber is tested.

  • @johnwingate4965
    @johnwingate49653 ай бұрын

    I kinda feel you’re being a little disingenuous in this video. You’re a luthier- you know which way the wood needs to be oriented to get the proper effect. Your description of bows is just wrong- the reason bow are laminated that way is to take advantage of the properties of the different materials that are used to make them. Also, as soon as you introduce Carbon Fiber, that’s a lamination. So you don’t feel like you’re getting your bang for buck out of laminated necks. that’s fine.

  • @markeldridge6026
    @markeldridge60266 ай бұрын

    So - your position is that there is no way to test a laminated guitar neck, and the neck you make out of a quartersawn piece of maple would be “just as good” as a quality laminate. And you’ve come to this conclusion with no methods to test. I’m questioning the logic here. If your evidence is strictly empirical, then your sample sizes are not equal. Far more single piece necks have been utilized in guitar construction than laminates. The 3 or 5 piece necks have only gained in wide popularity recently. If your assertion is that those necks are potentially improperly made - maybe. Time will tell. What it seems like you’re saying is: I am not familiar enough with the process to perform it with an acceptable level of certainty, so I will offer a product that I can build with confidence. Is that an accurate summary?

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    No, it's not accurate. I didn't say there is no way to test a laminated guitar neck. There are many ways they can be tested. However, since there are no codes or regulations regarding their construction nor are there any inspections required by any sort of a governing body, there aren't any standard testing procedures in place to ensure that a laminated neck has been made correctly. I can and have made many laminated necks, but since there are no rules or regulations in place to protect the buyer, I can't in good faith make the claim that my laminated necks are any better than a well made one piece neck.

  • @TheBrianRaglandChannel
    @TheBrianRaglandChannel6 ай бұрын

    First off, Love your Work man. But the main point of this video seems like a lot of wasted time. I mean, life is so short. To focus on such trivial things, even for a boutique guitar maker just seems a little excessive. Me personally, with the guitars I make. As long as somebody enjoys them and they get positivity from the world, from their experience, that's all that really matters. The quality of wood is important to a degree. But at the same time, plywood would be just as good in my opinion if it's done right. But that's my two cents.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    And life is too short to be deceived by claims from a manufacturer or a luthier that can’t be supported.

  • @alsmith7316
    @alsmith73166 ай бұрын

    This is weird. In this video you say laminate necks are stronger. Last video you said they are not and there is no proof that they are? Well, which is it? When looking at recurve bows, or traditional bows I would say that today laminated wood is still used very heavily in these types of bows. The force of the bow string is also going along the laminate, not against it as in a guitar neck. Different needs, same technology used though. Your talk on no regulations on guitar necks, therefore laminated necks are bad is a bizarre take. The last video you did on this subject did not make a lot of sense to me. This one is not much different. You bring up the amount of work of making laminate necks. Yes, it is a bit more work, but if you do not have the proper tools or good quality tools, machining stock well enough and the glue-up should not be to much of a problem. If your tools are not up to the task of making clean accurate cuts this could lead to issues and / or frustration with making laminate necks.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Did I really say that? Can you please provide timestamps?

  • @snoolee7950
    @snoolee79506 ай бұрын

    Dude does not like Framus guitars

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Dude loves Framus guitars.

  • @snoolee7950

    @snoolee7950

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars Framus 20 piece laminate plywood neck. Check out Spector NS-2 bass. Now that is a nice build, 3 piece through-body neck. Similar with Alembic and Rickenbacher basses.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    @@snoolee7950 Wait untill you see my 21 piece laminated neck!

  • @snoolee7950
    @snoolee79506 ай бұрын

    Seriously what is with people making guitars from oak.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    Seriously, why not?

  • @snoolee7950

    @snoolee7950

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars For at least two hundred years of instrument building, never heard of anyone using oak for resonant instrument. Oak is flooring, chairs and dressers, strong and stiff. Looks at violins and pianos in addition to guitar.

  • @HighlineGuitars

    @HighlineGuitars

    6 ай бұрын

    @@snoolee7950 Wait untill you see the guitar I'm making out of graham crackers.

  • @snoolee7950

    @snoolee7950

    6 ай бұрын

    @@HighlineGuitars I only recently realized that 1980's Les Pauls have 3 piece maple neck. I had enough of them and never thought about it. It really works well with the mahogany Les Paul body and maple top. Standard/ Deluxe/ Custom models.