The stories of Peggy and Joan are parallel stories. It is two different ways of advancing. Before the modern feminist movement was started by the founding of NOW and the publishing of The Feminine Mystique in the 1960s, the only way for women to get ahead in the world was by verbal and emotional manipulation, and also by using their sexuality, their, "feminine wiles," so to speak. That is Joan. Then, you have a Peggy, obviously a modern feminist approach. She asks for things and forces her way on to things in a very aggressive way. She works hard to prove her worth, demanding to be recognized and compensated for that work. Yet, as the series goes on, both women move up in influence, pay, and prestige. Peggy goes from secretary to junior copywriter, to head copywriter, to copy chief. Joan moves from head secretary to office manager to partner to owning her own business. They just went about it a different way, and for that reason, they were seemingly at odds most of the series. The great thing was, by the end, they sort of met in the middle. They almost became business partners. Joan realized that using her body and manipulative abilities had a ceiling. So, she used those business contacts forged in that way to make something of her own. Peggy had gone through the whole show not needing anyone, living for her work and for her career, and realized that was an emotional dead end, and that her work would eventually suffer. So, finally realizing her love for someone and opening herself up, she will set herself up for happiness.

@mthivier

8 жыл бұрын

+forfeitthegame80 Wonderful analysis of Joan and Peggy's parallel paths. (Perhaps also worth mentioning is that Joan was roughly ten years older than Peggy, so there was also something of a generational divide.) What I found interesting was that, in the finale, it was Joan, who in the beginning, was just working until she could land a husband a house in the suburbs, when forced to choose between a life with Richard and starting her own company, opted to forego love in order to take the career path, while "career gal" Peggy chose to stay at McCann, in large measure to stay with Stan, whom she's finally found love with. Not sure if this twist was intentional, or just the way the characters' storylines played out, but I found it noteworthy.

@Thy_Boss

8 жыл бұрын

+Tommy Hass Why? It's true in your case.

@worldpeices

8 жыл бұрын

Wow that was poignant...Did you study this in school or something?

@JakeJustIs

7 жыл бұрын

There are those who are gifted with words to match their observation. These people find a way to share what they know.

@Marina-es6ox

6 жыл бұрын

And all this shows how unfair and fucked up our society is.

Joan knows how to be a powerful woman on a man’s world. She has win power and doesn’t want that to change. It’s good. But Peggy want to change the world. And that’s admirable.

@F_Tim1961

3 жыл бұрын

My favourite moment for Peggy is when she says to Roger "Do you want me to take your watch too ?? " That's priceless. I wish I could have used that on someone in the past....

@MM-qb2to

3 жыл бұрын

@Alan Weir you could said both ways. At the end of the day, the world is changing thanks to people like Peggy and Peggy is changing thanks the world......

@MM-qb2to

3 жыл бұрын

@Alan Weir take care too!

@johnnyskinwalker4095

2 жыл бұрын

And after her World is changed and the World is changed, Peggy is still gonna be miserable.

@MonicoKnows

2 ай бұрын

Interesting comment. After years of viewing everyone's take on this clip, I've come to one conclusion. No one saw what I saw in this show. As a Black woman, I preferred Joan, because I felt her approach to female empowerment was in better alignment with Womanism. I see Peggy as the culmination of White Feminism and it is very hypocritical and exclusionary. It's loud and one directional and very self-serving. It's not attempting to change the world for all women, only White Career Women. For example, at the end of the series, Peggy's interactions with Dawn were very telling. Many will disagree and that's fine. But that's always been my take.

Loved this moment- 2 strong smart women dealing with a situation very differently. Great moment to express the times this show represented.

LOL that zoom-in ...

@MrDanty64

3 жыл бұрын

/*\ rough draft for zoom ins during Graduate riot-at-wedding scene.

@StrawberryNinjaNibbles

3 жыл бұрын

Idk why but that killed me 😂

Neither character is wrong here and that's what makes this show so great.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

2 жыл бұрын

it clearly shows Peggy was wrong. she went over the top just to show she was a good little girl. as the experienced person having dealt with things like these many times, Joan understand office politics more than anybody else. she already dealt with the situation.

Joan was correct and incorrect. Don coached Peggy to do something about the situation by herself. He said if she got HIM involved, the men would never respect her. On the other hand, Joan was accustomed to taking care of herself, usually by something like having "one dinner" with the client.

@deeshan9844

2 жыл бұрын

I also think Joan was jealous of Peggy's ability to actually fire a man. Joan didn't have the power to do that. As she stated, she'd need to have dinner with the client and use her feminine charm to manipulate Joey off the account. Peggy was able to take care of the issue just like a man would without having to "sell" herself in that way, and I think that made Joan feel inferior.

I love how the elevator dings at the exact moment Peggy blinks (1:13). As if to underline the notion, "made you blink".

@jgigas9834

8 жыл бұрын

lol

To me, this is the most complex situation in the whole show. It still makes me think to this day.

@kkibela

3 жыл бұрын

Peggy realising she is emotionally smarter than every person 'above her' and having to navigate that space Whilst constantly finding allies where there shouldn't be any and none where there should ...I'm not projecting..honest 😅

@SeanDarr

Жыл бұрын

Same here I think of this all the time. Because it shows how many sides of sexism there are and how complicated and tough it all is. Had he been fired by a man he would have learned his lesson, but being fired by a woman reinforces his sexism, but it would make the women look powerless to ask a man to fire him. Then also if the roles were reversed, a man wouldn't be upset about the drawing because men idk we're kinda dumb or something, even though a man should be, so the perception is that women are weaker for caring, even though caring is correct. Fuck me that's tough. It's about how they can't win. Peggy firing him reinforces his shiftiness, and Joan going toe to toe with him doesn't work either really, but maybe she could have gotten the upper hand because many more people like Joan than that guy. Tough call but I slightly lean towards agreeing with Joan

@DaHatBat

8 күн бұрын

@@SeanDarr Well put.

Okay let us straighten out 1) the point that Joan makes and 2) which consequences can be drawn from it: 1) The guys made some degrading joke on her. The right reaction is to insult them back and thus regain respect, be on equal footing, so to speak. Going further than that by asking a more powerful man to fire Stan would have been beyond measure in her eyes. 2) Though Joan has lived an unusual lifestyle for a woman of her time, her point here is a conservative one, because she goes by the rules made by men and thus confirms the status quo. The guys say "it's funny" while it is humiliating to her. So neither before nor after are they ever on equal footing, despite her long career and experience. And there is more: She confuses influence with power. She does not have the power to get Stan fired, but the influence. This is an important difference, because in critical situations influence is a weak currency. You see that even Peggy tried Joans way at first: She snitches on the guys to Don like a little school girl. So Don definitely has the better point: "If you want some respect, go and get it on your own." What makes Joans behaviour even worse is the lack of solidarity she shows here. Peggy did what she did because she thought women should help each other in situations that can hit every woman. Joan instead only cares for her own pride - one could even allege she despises other women. ======= I still like Joan because despite of this elevator scene she later learns from Peggy as @forfeitthegame80 pointed out. She learns that getting everything (passively) by her looks will hit a ceiling and won't take her any further - just like the elevator both women are using in this scene :)

@LisaCupcake

6 жыл бұрын

Why would you assume there has to be "solidarity" just because they're both women? Joan had handled it and she didn't see a reason to take it further. As Don said earlier in the episode, being seen as a tattle tale isn't a good thing. Peggy did do it for herself. When Don told her she had the power to fire Joey, she went right to it. Peggy jumped the gun too much, trying to assert her power.

@phuturephunk

6 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

@TherealP013

5 жыл бұрын

@Diane Berg so Tru!

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph - you see things differently than the gals so how you can possibly understand the minds of women unless you are one!

@TwelvetreeZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@angelacarleton9575 As a woman and a fan of the show, I think he's pretty spot on. Men are not incapable of understanding or identifying with women

never did I know a another character in the tv and movie genre who can cut someone with their words so swiftly and effectively like Joan Harris.

@morganbeare1764

10 жыл бұрын

Holliway

@laminage

10 жыл бұрын

Remember Giselle in Mona Lisa Smile. Alexis in Dynasty or Alexandra Spaulding #3 on Guiding Light played by Joan Collins. Tanya Turner in The UK Drama Footballers Wives.

@morganbeare1764

8 жыл бұрын

I love Joan, but she was just an asshole to Peggy, period. Peggy did the right thing.

@joe23c88

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe in 2018 it would be the right thing but it's the 1960's. Joan was right.

@susieq360

3 жыл бұрын

Then you need to watch more shows and movies. 😅

I think a lot of people miss the point of this scene -- yes, Joan's right that Peggy fired those guys to throw her weight around. But ultimately, it's not about which of them was right, who handled it better. Either way, no matter how hard they work, how good they are at their jobs, how well they play the game, those little shits will always be handed the advantage, will never take them seriously, and will be able to tear them down and humiliate them on the basis of gender. "They can still just draw a cartoon."

@AnnaLVajda

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's crabs in the bucket they all climb over eachother for their few moments on top of the heap then the others come claw their way up push the others back down. Life in general for most.

@johnnyskinwalker4095

2 жыл бұрын

what Joan was saying was by Peggy making a big deal out of it, it weaponized it. Joan handled it perfectly. a few morons drawing cartoons, she scoled them, resolving the issue.

@amattchronism

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095Resolved? Gimme a break. They always just come back next week with another cartoon. The scene where Peggy fires Joey he continues to keep acting sexist. Joan made a pretty speech to make herself feel strong but nothing changed. Peggy made a big deal out of it and was right to do so. Joan’s way of doing things is just about enduring in the patriarchal world. Peggy’s was about opposing it

@johnnyskinwalker4095

Жыл бұрын

@@amattchronism actually Joan got the guy fired lol

@paulinegallagher7821

3 ай бұрын

Peggy got the endorsement from Don that she was a big enough deal to him to allow her to fire whoever she saw fit. She couldn't believe it when Don told her she could do it if she wanted to. That is why she did it, not to 'throw her weight around'. It wasn't her idea.

Peggy does what she wants when she wants. Joan plays by the men’s rules. Two totally different ladies, good on ya Peggy !

What's wonderful about how this is written and particularly what Christina Hendricks brings to it is the softening in tone for her goodbye

I love Joan & Peggy, each for their own reasons. This is a great clip & an interesting discussion string. Mad Men was an amazing series. p.s. I still think Sally is my favorite character.

I don't really think either of them are doing wrong. Peggy did do this for herself, that is true to a certain degree, but not in the selfish way Joan kind of implies. Even without Don's prompting Peggy always wants to prove herself so she handles conflict through action. Therefore she assumed Joan would want the same done for her. But Joan prefers to rise above it; hence why she's always expected the same from Peggy. This isn't a right and wrong situation, it's just two strong women with contrasting opinions on how to handle things.

@ykMMD

5 жыл бұрын

@Diane Berg She didn't call her a bitch. She says by reacting that way with Joey..he will think she's another humorless bitch. Learn to listen holy shit.

@singhatar0912

2 жыл бұрын

@@ykMMD bro she’s implying to her face that she’s a humorless bitch. Are you that shallow and daft ?

@24pagedown

2 жыл бұрын

@@singhatar0912 No that’s not what she’s implying. Joan doesn’t personally think Peggy is a humourless bitch, she’s implying that the men in the office think she’s a humourless bitch. “All you proved to THEM (the men of the office) is, I’m a meaningless secretary and you’re a humourless bitch”

always loved Joan but she was a bit harsh on Peggy there!

That zoom in editing has me dying!!! 🤣

You can learn SO much from this show.

Joan was just pissed that Peggy had more power than her. If Joan could fire Joey, she would've done so instantly. Joan had a massive ego.

@jonwiley2592

4 жыл бұрын

Peggy didn't have more power. Peggy had a different kind of power. Joan's power may not have been able to get anyone fired directly, but she used her charm, diplomacy, and physical presence to get the end she might desire.

@leeroberts4850

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonwiley2592 roger is in love with her, and don cares about her. if she wanted some one fired it would happen, without peggy

@tideoftime

3 жыл бұрын

Joan was dead-on correct in her reading of the situation -- Peggy misstep'd in terms of handling the situation. Joan had handled it, and could have taken it further if she wanted; Peggy should have realized by now/this point in the series that Joan has many ways of dealing with situations like these. And her assessment was right: "So all you've proved to them is that I'm a meaningless secretary and you're a humorless bitch...".

that zoom though...lol

@JosephSchneider26

7 жыл бұрын

right? :D like a bad anime movie

I adore Joan, so powerful, beautiful , mindful woman.

Joan who tf cares about your pride?? She was only worried about herself and didn't stop to think that Joey being fired was helpful for ALL the women at the office.

@SweptAway529

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Peggy did the right thing.

@triciajohansen9295

4 жыл бұрын

Or the female viewers! I would have kicked Joey's ass, without Peggy and Joan's assistance.😎

@zeppelin_7245

4 жыл бұрын

Because women don't have to always think about other women, we're individuals with different beliefs and approaches.

@TarPatSlo

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree

@nomady4023

3 жыл бұрын

@@zeppelin_7245 whoever said you weren't

that zoom in was pretty awesome. nice touch.

The problem with Joan's point is that it relies on the assumption that they should give two shits about what some copywriters think.

@tideoftime

3 жыл бұрын

In that era, however, the consensus of male opinion *did* carry that much more weight, regardless of who is actually in charge, in the long run. (That doesn't make it right, by any means, but it *was* the "nature of the beast" for that time.)

Dont understand the hate on these comments for joan and peg. I think this scene is great cuz behind the seemingly harsh words and tense stare down, there is a powerful learning experience for peg courtesy of joan. They are like feeding off of each other. And you can see at the end that peg has the face of someone who just realized some powerful truth. Almost looks as tho she's grateful for joans truth bombs. Great scene.

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

You don't see the point? Joan is more insecure than Peggy - I've seen the type beautiful and yet so insecure to make others feel worse about themselves. I knew one girl that was 2 years younger and beautiful but was dating the big shot - she never wanted to take tests but went the road of Joan to sleep her way to the top to get that damn promotion which by the way was work I was doing not her. However, I kept my mouth shut and waited for the time I get the hell out this place of women dumping on women because they feel they have the upper hand and now I know more now - these types were narcissistic bitches the worse kind you could ever meet! By the way, I never felt I had to use other people to move ahead I took courses and took tests to get those promotions. At least I acquire my promotions on my own and not lean on men or sleep with them for it.

@dragonnight97

5 жыл бұрын

Angela Carleton ok buddy

@manichispanic5234

5 жыл бұрын

Intelligence is useless, without wisdom. Joan is wise, at least Peggy is intelligent enough to realize this.

I think Joan raises an interesting question. We tend to judge people who raise in ranks by using attraction and sexuality. A woman sexuality is almost something that should be repressed, and confined to the bedroom alone, whereas men are not judged to the same degree. If you look at Don Draper, it almost made people take him more seriously, even when his affairs was much more public, and he had a wife and kids at home. Joan was (most of the time) single, and had discrete pseudo relationships with a few people she truly cared about. It seems like male sexuality can almost help you advance your career, while female sexuality is negative for your reputation. So I sometimes have to wonder, is it so bad to use your sexuality to help you advance? I am not talking about sleeping your way to the top, but why are females not allowed to be proud of their femininity, and still be takken seriously? I think Joan is my favourite character in the series. She is not perfect, and I really hate cheating/having affairs with married people, but most of the characters does that anyways. But she is not with Roger just because of her career; in many ways, they almost have a pseudo relationship. She is very discreet about it. She puts her femininity on full display, takes pride in it, but she also demonstrates that she is very capable, and have both beauty, brains and social skills. In many ways, I would love to bring that back into modern society, instead of feeling forced to repress it in everyday life.

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

I will tell you why because it sets up other women to be used in the same manner. Whether you are covered up or not you are defined by that woman that does it so the rest must have similar values?. Example: My personal interaction with guys was congenial until they over-step my boundary lines. Unfortunately, I had a sister that I helped get a job at my company, what I didn't know at the time she was sleeping with her boss and she gave me this stupid excuse - he was threatening her. Until -I notice people making sexual innuendo remarks to me? I couldn't believe it. I caught her at my place both in my bed- and kicked her butt out and took back my key - she then proceeded to ask me to help her get another job which I was working for the Police Dept? I said, "HELL NO!" Get your own damn job! Men or Executives will assume the worse of other women if they are related too.

@deannaausten8867

4 жыл бұрын

Get to the top anyway you can, anybody in the top ,

@deannaausten8867

4 жыл бұрын

Knows that....

I can think of two very large reasons as to why I love Joan.

WHY WE LOVE JOAN

Cold and accurate. Joan is incredibly attractive..

I love Christina Hendricks. I fluked finding out about her, just by flicking through the channels and came onto Mad Men. One look at her and I fell in love with her and I don't even watched this show. But it must be sexy watching Christina Hendricks playing a sexy classic lady.

Enh. I’ve read the reactions. Joan was being petty. She could’ve talked to Peggy instead of talking down to her - literally and figuratively.

What's with zoom? Moss' performance was more than sufficient.

I liked Joan for most of the series, this was the beginning of my contempt for her character however...

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

Matt - I agree too. I started to resent her for her lack of being kind when she could have been.

@jonwiley2592

4 жыл бұрын

Fast forward to the end of the series when Joan struggles to act like an ad executive, but her breasts keep getting in her way, Peggy doesn't hesitate to imply that she always thought Joan slided by on her looks more so than actual merit. Joan, of course, pointed out the obvious that Peggy's observation is typical of a MAN who admires a beautiful woman in the workplace yet still holds her in contempt thinking all she has to offer is good looks.

Wow the number of people missing the point here is amazing.

@genevievecasey2088

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry for being unclear, Charles. What I meant was that the people who see this scene as unqualified evidence that Joan's approach to this scene was "right" and Peggy's was wrong missed all the nuances of the situation and the women's interaction. The contrast between how the view and approach the problem confirms all the differences between them--age, generation, position, expectations, personality, history, opportunity--but there was no perfect solution here. There was a price to pay (for both women) no matter which path was taken. The painful complexity of this catch-22 is ignored by commenters who see this as some kind of clear clear proof that Joan's method of handling the problem was simply "better." Hope that makes sense.

@genevievecasey2088

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Charles. And just for the record, I love Joan too!

@jjohnsengraciesmom

6 жыл бұрын

Genevieve Casey yes. This

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

Everyone has their own point of view on this subject even if yours is different than mine.

@reng935

4 жыл бұрын

@@genevievecasey2088 this makes sense. Thanks!

I'd like to speak in defense of Peggy. She did what a professional would do- she was direct, she was honest and above-board about the fact that she fired that guy and why she did so. Peggy may have produced a similar result via backchannels, but ultimately it would be feeding into the relentless condescension that defined the relationship between the men who ran Sterling Cooper Price and the women who... didn't run it, nor have any realistic chance of doing so. Joan was the leader of the women within SCDP, and that was it until Peggy came along. It took Peggy and her true professionalism to open the door to women becoming leaders in the profession.

A humorless bitch who can fire you. Men only understand - and respect - direct results: Piss this person off = Get fired. We saw this same debate between Little Finger and Cersei in Game of Thrones: Little Finger approaches Cersei and tries to blackmail/threaten her with his influence and who and what he "knows." Cercei's response is to order her guards to slit his throat right there in the courtyard, which they are totally about to do before she calls them off. She then tells Little Finger that "POWER is power." In effect, that no matter how influential you are, you are never as powerful as the people who can kill (or Peggy's case fire) you. Manipulation, scheming, and string pulling will only get you so far when with one word, someone else can have you killed if you cross them. Peggy will take more heat for taking care of business in a brutal, open manner. But she'll also have more respect from the men. They'll call her a bitch and talk mad shit behind her back, but they also won't be drawing anymore cartoons. Meanwhile Joan can pull strings and get back at the cartoon-drawer, but she has to turn a trick to do it, and the rest of the men won't even know that she was behind it. They'll still openly treat her like crap and disrespect her. Joan's method means she has to fight her battles individually at great cost, while Peggy can drop the hammer publicly and set an example.

This show was SOOOOO AWESOME!!!!

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

So much I saw as a young girl in an office was based like "Mad Men" and what I had to do to keep away from creeps trying to put the moves on me is not funny.

now she is rocking on "Good Girls"

Oh, "you thought you were helping" - part 2 😐🤔😏

Yeah !!!

Best Joan Lines yet! One of the best moments in MM History!

😆🤣 oh, Joan!

This scene embodies just about everything that is wrong with people's priorities in life...

I think peggy did the right thing. if neither of them did anything the bullying would've just continued. joan didn't handle it.

@julieerin115

3 жыл бұрын

Her heart was in the right place but perhaps it's a lesson to not fight other people's battles unless they ask for help.

you want to be the boss? earn it

I loved this series, but I never liked the character Joan. I felt sorry for her at times. Particularly, at the end of the series where she is cheated out of the value of her ownership interest by McGann. However, it always struck me that no one could make her happy and no one was good enough for her. Peggy was obviously ambitious, but she did little to hurt Joan. Her firing of Joey was justified and was well intentioned on her part. Maybe I just don't give Joan enough credit, but the character was basically unlikeable.

Dude, Joan at her most raw form.

Hello, do you know where I can find this dialogue /script? there is no subtitles here... thanks !

I love Joan because I am a SIMPLE MAN

I think that Joan was also saying to Peggy "I don't need you to fight my battles, I was here way before you and a couple of years ago you were just some mousy typing pool secretary, I try to give you advice but you sabotaged it."

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

I understood that point.

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is the point - she doesn't want a "peon" to telling Joan what she's doing for her. It is true Joan has been at this job for quite some time - however, she never bothered to do things to elevate her position in that typing pool. So she recent Peggy doing her any favor and misunderstood Peggy who was trying to do both herself and Joan a favor.

@jonwiley2592

4 жыл бұрын

Joan did try to give Peggy advice but Joan's advice was unnecessary. Peggy didn't find being a secretary to be fulfilling, so she was not content to be a big fish in a shallow typing pool. It's like a long-tenured head administrative assistant these days dropping unsolicited pearls of wisdom to a newbie who has her eye on breaking into the pharmaceutical sales team; advice on how to make a plane reservation or order lunch for 15 may go in one ear and out the other

i love both of them

"Why I love Joan" Yeah I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

Wow.

Jesus. Maybe I’ll watch a couple of episodes, this was interesting.

Everybody loves Joan. ❤️

I think Joan was right about Peggy's motivations. For Peggy to intercede at all, means she views Joan as a subordinate, incapable of handling her own situations. And that move would translate that way throughout the office. Both are smart, but Joan had the edge. If Peggy was on Joan's level, she would have known how Joan was going to view what she did. For her to be surprised, meant Peggy wasn't even close in her perception of the true hierarchy.

Peggy fired Joey because he disrespected her, not because he disrespected Joan. Peggy almost demanded Joan to be grateful, but Joan knew that Peggy didn’t do it for her, Peggy did it for herself. I found Peggy quite annoying, she wasn’t very nice to the girls in her office.

Serious sizzling-cymbal sounds here!!!

Joan betrayed Don

I think Joan was jealous that Peggy had that power and she didn’t.

These two. It’s the classic “Ginger & Maryanne”, “Veronica & Betty” stereotypes…in a way.

I can't believe how many of the comments here show how they don't understand the scene

Don't mess with Joan....She'll drop kick you into next week!

@Butterfly22593

4 жыл бұрын

Joan was pissed because she didn't have the upper hand in this situation

The thing people didn't get about Joan is that she always was more clever than beautiful.

*Apply cold water to the obliterated existence. *

I’m sorry but that zoom in tho

Wonderful Deer GRİLS...

Peggy learns from the Mistress.

the first hing that came to my mind watching will smith at oscars 2022

Women need to be treated with respect. Period

That is the fucking truth

Perhaps I'm being too analytical, but I've noticed on the show that those in her age group and especially the older men fancied Joan, but it seems that the super young ones (those born after 1940) weren't exactly drooling over her.

Daaaayum

I would've thought that Peggy, of all people, would wear the title "humorless bitch" like a badge of honor.

She also years ahead of her time in sacking that bloke for what did. He wouldn't get away with it today either!

@angelacarleton9575

5 жыл бұрын

Blue - just because the " Sexual Harassment is available for women to express their concerns over those making unjust remarks or sexual innuendo doesn't do a damn thing for women. Only causes more problem because whoever the person it is probably a high official and"RECOGNIZED" not the person filing a sexual harassment complaint. Therefore the woman will lose their jobs. If you don't believe me ask any woman whatever happened to them after going to Human Resources?

@HHM706

5 жыл бұрын

@@angelacarleton9575 Angela, yes i see what you mean. Must be so difficult when you find yourself in that position. My Mum worked in the City of London during the 1950s and she said 'touching and unwanted attention was just accepted as the 'way it is', they had no choice but to live with it. Horrible.

There’s at least a couple good reasons.

_Why I love Joan:_ _Because she's a bad bitch_ ~FIN~

Is the elevator even moving

DID SHE JUST CALL PEGGY "BECKY"??? /S

Boom Sadly it's true.

In a way Joan was one of the best teachers Peggy could have had. She needed that tough love.

billionaire vs millionaire

She is the most beautiful and hottest woman ever

I’m on Peggy’s side. That kid was asking for trouble. Don’t take no shit off nobody

Still trying to hash out how Joan could've gotten Joey fired or taken care of. If Joan's dinner partner likes Joey's work, then what?

Joan has a bad attitude with some women. Her comments to Peggy was wrong - Peggy was trying to help her not just herself but Joan can be a "bitch" when she wants to. Even during the time over the lipstick challenge - she couldn't stand that Peggy had a mind to speak hers when it came to the lipstick and if you noticed how she shuffle her out of the room when Fred was surprised by Peggy's comment? Joan I believe got jealous since she seeks all the attention for herself and God forbid if other women should get a small fraction of what she normally gets. I prefer Peggy because she is more stable in her thinking while Joan continues to delude herself with the concept of marriage that once you marry you don't have to work? Who in God's earth thought you don't have to work? You work at home to build a home and a safe haven for your family by taking care of your home and cook, clean and maintain a safe environment. After all, when one marries unless you marry well - you still have to maintain a house and cook and clean. I know because I did. It wasn't always so easy but I learned to manage to keep a good home for my own family.

It angers me how the dynamics for us women still havnt deviated much esp in the office environment. She is right men still talk down, make crude jokes and draw shameful comparisons with cartoons or anima to put women in their place. I once had a boss tell me , no one likes a smart mouth on a women who can carry her own luggage up the stairs all because I corrected him when he blamed me for not doing his favorite minions aka my colleagues work for him so he could meet "HIS" dead line. I realized I couldnt5 work around sexist people who didnt know that gender has no role in a work place no matter how good I was at my job I could never win around old powerful men playing favorites and looking down at us like we were just there for their amusement. Joan thanks for the reminder.

words cant describe how happy i was when Joan told her off here

I mean not to be one of those guys but Joan kind of made it as high as she did making the other girls feel like peaces of shit. Peggy is just, much more smarter. I feel like peggy did the right thing and joan did NOT have to call her a bitch and the just say have a nice weekend like nothing happend...

What the hell!? This is the worst Joan scene ever. Do you know the context of how this scene developed? This marks her as petty, insecure, and foolish. Not what she is. Bad, Mahana, Bad. Video should be titled "Why Joan is awful".

@ykMMD

5 жыл бұрын

No she's not. Joan likes to look good and be sexy. She was raised that way. She's also incredibly good at her job...but because she presents herself as more feminine men refuse to take her seriously. She decides to use this to her advantage and navigates the path in front of her the best she can. She's using sexism "to her advantage", Peggy deals with it in another way but they are clearly not from the same era. Look at what happens in season 7 at McCann: instead of using her charms to get rid of the shitty frat boys sabotaging her work, she asks directly to have them fired...But it doesn,t work out the way she hopes. She ends up losing 50% of what she was owed. Joan is a bit petty in the first three seasons, but she's definitely not insecure and foolish. She sees things right as they are.

Joan and Peggy should have started their own agency. Would have put most of the others out of business within 5 years...

LOL Give me a single reason to dislike Joan. She's easily my second favourite character on the show behind Don. Just a great lady.

We have learned ...donT mess with Joan ....oh no!!

@axelfoley1406

4 жыл бұрын

Or Joan realizes that her power is waning. Great character but somewhat worthless and just flaunts her sexuality because that's ALL she has. Peggy is seen more as an equal to the men.

Joan is right, and Peggy knows it.

What’s to love she’s insecure

I dunno this was petty on Joan's front and her paranoia at looking weak to the firm never came back to her.

Joan is just so wrong to Peggy here. But I pity Joan & I understand her negative outlook. Imagine being a female in the workforce during that sexist decade?!

You love her cz she's mean?

Christina Hendricks as Joan is my ideal preference for a date. She's a tall, strong, sexy red head, who has a seductive voice, and a tough attitude. In this scene however, I thought she was a real bitch. I don't always approve of her cold attitude. Just because people act tough and/or cold, doesn't always mean they're being honest. Most of the time, they're just being an asshole. I really hate it when people say "Good for you" as a dick comment. When people say "Good for you" as a dick comment, they always misunderstand what the other person is saying. They're not asking you to praise them. They're just proud of their accomplishments.Nothing wrong with having a little pride. Besides, what does Joan have to be proud of. She's just a secretary during the 1960's. Christina Hendricks portrays nothing but a sex object w/ a bitchy attitude. Going back to preferences on women, I would still date someone like her in appearance and/or attitude. Even if she gets bitchy.

This sounds an awful lot like a Joan problem here.