I love that it takes Joan, an office manager, to teach Peggy, a professional copywriter, how to write a proper ad for what she wants. Advertising really is about what you know.

@thegirlinquestion

10 жыл бұрын

but we know Joan is always above her craft ^_^

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

7 жыл бұрын

Well probably hard for Peggy to talk about herself, like many people.

@felipeedoardo

6 жыл бұрын

Very true. Also I happen to be rewatching this video and came down here to leave the same comment it turned out I left 3 years ago. God I'm predictable.

@MetalMadness_00

6 жыл бұрын

moxmh X or Joan just thinks Peggy is a sheltered girl

@sultanaljuhani1571

6 жыл бұрын

Felipe Edoardo circle of life OR the definition of insanity. It depends who you look at it

"It reads like stage direction from an Ibsen play" is one of the wildest and funniest takedowns in all of Mad Men.

@fungh0u1

2 жыл бұрын

and she was soooo accurate too

@F_Tim1961

11 ай бұрын

The script writers were a buncha Freaking Intellectuals. Ya get that in NYC.. .... 20 km down the road it's a whole DIFFERENT world !! 🙂

That was one hell of a copy, you could see Joan's talent for writing even in the early days

Joan has a natural talent for consumer marketing. It's too bad she, or those around her, didn't realize that sooner in the old days.

I love how at the end Peggy goes to write everything Joan said down before she forgets it.

I helped a Friend with his Resume. Instead of saying he was a Paperboy, he was a Publishing Courier, instead of saying he worked in a Coffee House, he was a Java Bartender, instead of saying he was a Short Order Cook he was a Chef specializing in Blue Collar Cuisine. It worked, and he got the job. He was so happy he couldn't thank me enough.

@laminage

7 жыл бұрын

It's not what you say it's "How" you say it. You as a person is the product and you have to sell yourself to the people. Also, after an Interview always try to send an E-Mail thanking them, that alone will separate you from the pack.

@johnas9092

6 жыл бұрын

I send them a wood carving after the interview.

@AlexS-oj8qf

3 жыл бұрын

Java Bartende

@valeriabautistaflores5434

3 жыл бұрын

What’s your Instagram

@MrGW2fanboy

3 жыл бұрын

This is very risky and there's nothing worse than getting called out on your lie when interviewing. I understand the paperboy position but I feel the short order cook pretending to be a chef would be quickly noticed.

**Comes up with near-perfect copy on the fly** "... or something like that!" I love Joan

Peggy's version sounds like "stage directions for an Ibsen's play", but Joan's sounds like an escort ad!

@laminage

7 жыл бұрын

If any of you can please Read The Roommating Season by Rona Jaffe whose other Book The Best Of Everything also by her was featured when Don Draper was at home in Bed. It's about Four Ladies and how their lives changed who first meet in 1963 and how their lives change in 50 Years. They also see how challenging it is to find the proper Roommate.

@felipeedoardo

6 жыл бұрын

Well which one do you think is more fun?

@laminage

6 жыл бұрын

Joan. She would be like a "Personal Coach" for you. She'd help you with your Job, Wardrobe, and the like. She can be harsh but she doesn't play. Remember with Scarlett lying on her Timecard.

@anyviolet

5 жыл бұрын

@@felipeedoardo lol the escort ad...UNTIL the pimp and the STD shows up! I'll take boring anytime over chaos

@laminage

Жыл бұрын

​@Peter T I didn't know that 😳. She must have been very popular at School.

Joan is not only a knockout -she is as sharp as a tack

Yes! Joan is actually incredibly bright. I can see why old women now say that this show has made them cry or given them panic attacks. They realize how much they kept themselves from moving forward and that it was caused by society. Joan really does remind me of Marilyn Monroe in a way. Something very tragic about her.

@srinathselvadurai9812

3 жыл бұрын

That's because Marilyn is actually a Joan

@jukihiw

2 жыл бұрын

@@srinathselvadurai9812 Not the other way around

@anyagee9467

Жыл бұрын

She ended up running her own company, and doing her own thing. Nothing tragic about her.

@bluemooninthedaylight8073

11 ай бұрын

@@anyagee9467 I always found her ending far more empowering than Peggy's. Joan doesn't bother trying to work her way up, instead creating something of her own. For all of Peggy's talk of feminism, her declining to take part in forming a company with Joan shows she cannot fully let go of what she knows: a male workplace.

@cattyelse2372

8 ай бұрын

older women....and some of them did ok.they dont need your patronising comments

Stage directions for an Ibsen play - GENIUS.

Joan is like the office mother, always giving advice.

@johnas9092

6 жыл бұрын

KZread is a like a video-sharing platform, always hosting video clips for people with Internet access.

Joan's dress. 60's aqua, those buttons. Kudos as always.

Pure greatness by Joan!

I think that Joan's ad in real life would attract a nightmare for a roommate. The only good advice she gave was that Peggy shouldn't have only been posting the ad at work. Branching out can be a good thing, although a lot of times, you attract psychos. You made a very good point about classes. I took Gender Psychology when I was an under-grad, and it did make me question a lot about gender roles and sexual orientation. I had fun taking that course.

@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254

7 жыл бұрын

Yes it just concentrated on men, having a size 6 dress; does not take into account things like "how will we split the bill?" or if they are considerate or stable financially or anything important. And then again Joan would not know because the only roommate we seen her with in the series, knew her from college. "Branch Out" my ass

@bawoman

6 жыл бұрын

I think Joans "ad" was over the top but she did have a point about making it a bit more fun and exciting.

@johnas9092

6 жыл бұрын

I posted an ad like this but from a male point of view, and it worked out fine. The bullet missed all of the vital organs, and everyone loves hearing the story about my kooky roomate.

@colderplasma

3 жыл бұрын

The point is Peggy was a complete square, Joan was telling her she should act a little bit more fun and like her age, instead of acting like a boring old granny that no actual young people in Manhattan would really want to live with.

@SarahRenz59

2 жыл бұрын

At the risk of sounding my age, it was a different time back then. You could place a classified ad without worrying about "psychos." You could leave your house and car unlocked and not worry about thieves or vandals. Maybe because the American Dream felt more within reach?

I could watch an hour episode of just Joan staring into the camera...

Joan understood human behavior which is all marketing!

Best marketing advice ever.

Joan would have been an excellent copywriter if she wanted to be

I can see your point. Joan is the master of playing under the glass ceiling while Peggy wants to go through it...

@gabespiro8902

7 ай бұрын

I know this comment is 10 years old but that is a brilliant summary of their characters

i love joan.

The conversation that Joan had with Peggy parallels a Young Up & Coming Writer from Radcliffe (Class Of 1953). She went to visit her friend who was a Secretary at The Publishing House Simon & Schuster and met Movie Director Jerry Wald who already hit Pay Dirt with Peyton Place. Jack Goodman her Friend's Boss bragged about how she would write a Book, it would be published. It almost took a Year to type on a Manual Typewriter, it was Published, became a Bestselling Novel, then a Hit Movie. It was called "The Best Of Everything" which was considered to be one of the many Prototpyes for Mad Men as well as "How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying". Her name was Rona Jaffe and along with Mary McCarthy were Pioneers in Chick Lit Novels.

@borjarezola6302

2 жыл бұрын

Very boooring

@sarahfatima5131

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your recommendation, I'm reading best of everything now and it's wonderful ❣

@laminage

Жыл бұрын

​@@borjarezola6302 maybe to you but these ladies broke the rules for what can and can't be written in books for women

Beautifully put! :)

Good for you! That's what a good teacher/class/material is supposed to have you do. Question everything.

My mom and I lived with my grandmother for almost two years. The day we moved out, I said to my grandma "haven't you learned anything from this?", she said "yeah, don't rent to relatives".

@laminage

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh Low Blow! My Aunt was like that with her Son & Granddaughter who moved into the House at the same time. She had the patience of a saint and sadly enough they took advantage of her when it came to Rent. She worked out a Schedule but when it was time to pay they would hem and haw. Her Granddaughter moved in with her Boyfriend but her Son still lives there.

@podsmpsg1

2 жыл бұрын

@@laminage Wow.

I read a Book called The Roomating Season, boy when you have a Roommate it's like being a "Parent" because one of you always has to be the responsible one. "I think the right girl can have a good effect on you." True dat. They can help you in so many ways with your career, wardrobe, but in a constructive way. I have yet to meet anyone who had a Roommate and they didn't create problems for them.

joans the best!!!!

that's why Joan is the perfect woman

Are you serious? That's a terrible ad for Peggy! And another example that (early) Joan didn't realize there were other ways to live than her own.

I love their older sister/younger sister dynamic

Joan is "Gangsta". She calls it she sees it. Smart as anyone's business. Remember how she read Peggy in The Pilot Episode on how she looked.

@felipeedoardo

6 жыл бұрын

I never understood that ankle comment.

@MetalMadness_00

6 жыл бұрын

laminage one look and she could tell Peggy is very sheltered

@laminage

6 жыл бұрын

Yes. I agree 100% with you on that. You know who was "Sheltered". Mary Ann Singleton in the Tales Of The City Mini Series played by Laura Linney that also starred Olympia Dukakis. She moved to San Francsico, CA. in 1976 during the burgeoning disco pre AIDS era and goes from being a Shy Church Mouse to a up and coming Career Girl.

@MetalMadness_00

6 жыл бұрын

laminage and Joan is a people person can tell who sleeps around, & who doesn’t

@paulinegallagher7821

2 ай бұрын

@@felipeedoardo that was Pete, I think. Joan advised her to stand naked in front of a mirror with a paper bag over her head. Just as inexplicable lol.

"Am I wrong?" lol

(SPOILER) I take it you wrote this before season 5 and Joan's ranking up? Which, of course, was based on her looks. She is immersed in the patriarchal culture, which carries both pros and cons for her.

Enjoyed the Ibsen reference.

Makes me want to take one.

LOL. Did you come up with that? That's a great line.

I don’t remember - who did her roommate end up being

Joan knows best.

Nice Ibsen jab.

the point was selling the ad

With the more recent plot twists and Joan's love of her job and her necessity at the office, I'm really curious as towards what her future is. Especially considering the copywriter's office. Sorry for being vague but its the least spoileriffic I could phrase it

Don't put it out here! Everyone knows you :D

@laminage

7 жыл бұрын

She's right about that. They said this about Mary Tyler Moore in terms of her show. The biggest mistake she made was that she didn't know how to have Friends outside The Office. Sometimes you need to be away from people that you work with and if you Room with someone who works at the Same Company that you do, anything can happen. Suppose one of you gets fired, how can you have a "civil" relationship, it would get too complicated.

Not anymore! Have you seen episode "The Other Woman"? Joan did get further than Peggy

@anyviolet

5 жыл бұрын

yes but how???

I'm quite the specimen, yes.

Turns out, we're all in advertising.

That's my girl!! :)

Peggy immediately sat down and began writing her ideas before she forgot. She didn't want the dog to eat her homework.

"Don't put it up there. Everyone here knows you." lol smoked.

This is an extremely interesting scene. Joan is schooling Peggy on how to write an ad. Joan is one of the most capable employees but she'll never get as far as Peggy because nobody will ever see past her looks and she is totally immersed in the patriarchal culture.

@missgingerlime

3 жыл бұрын

But Joan is the one who winds up with her own agency. Peggy remains as someone else's employee.

Did people actually put what size they wanted their roommates to be back then? Size 6? I’m trying to guess what that is in Australian sizes Wow 😂

sah-mokin

The way she comes off at Peggy is EVILL! Go Joanie!

That's a very bad advice and I have 8yrs of experience in roommates

@agbrenv

4 жыл бұрын

maybe back in the day this mentality came out in a different way

"I proofed it thoroughly." Minor point, but the expression "proofed" didn't exist in 1963. People would have said "proof-read" or edited, or something like that.

@roguepixel4753

2 жыл бұрын

Booo

@oofowie8882

Жыл бұрын

Are you sure? Dictionary website I just referenced said that it was used as short for “proof-read” as early as 1950

You may attract a roomate with that, but can you keep her if you're nothing like the ad? If she wants a fun roomate and you're not...

Yeah, it was a really interesting course. I used to talk with the professor after class, and she knew a transgendered woman, and told me all these stories about her.

dem cans

lol

Joan`s advice is rubbish. That would have been a perfect ad for her, but Peggy is a totally different person; she is mainly focused on her job, rather serious, introverted, not very sociable or fun-loving. Why pretend you`re someone else ? By following Joan`s advice she ended up with a very silly and shallow roommate she didn`t have anything in common with.

The course, lol. Watching 'Single White Female' scared me from looking for a complete stranger as a potential roommate.

Or you could do it the way a guy would and just say "I need a room mate, call me if interested".

The blurb Joan recommends is actually terrible.

I don’t think Peggy ever had a roommate now that I think of it.

@Amblin80s

Жыл бұрын

She did... The "Swedish" girl

We are our own greatest critics. Anyone who tries to write a resume for themselves will realize just how difficult it is to see your own virtues & advertise yourself.

Responsible? Didn't she have Pete's baby a couple weeks before this?

@jenlindley7780

6 жыл бұрын

John A S she is following Don's philosophy; "it never happened, it will shock you, how much it never happened. " :D

@johnas9092

6 жыл бұрын

Fat farm. I thought we had a verification.

@suziequzie

5 жыл бұрын

If she's not prepared and doesn't want to be a mother, then giving the baby away is responsible.

@anyviolet

5 жыл бұрын

@@jenlindley7780 that Don Draper bit of drivel (and I like Mad Men but that was pathetic) was for the Mad Men writers' storylines benefit, not for truth. Women NEVER forget the child they had.

@CarissaConti

5 жыл бұрын

Well, Joan did specify "responsible *sometimes.* " :D

What's funny to me is this is Joan's ideas are actually terrible advice for picking a roomie. What you actually want isn't some perfect friend who hangs out with you all the time (it will get old, quick) but someone who pays their share and doesn't leave your towels on the floor. Joan is being like an ad-man: selling a dream of a great partner in crime, but Peggy would be better off with some normie who does her share of the dishes.

Joan is a better ad women than Peggy is.

Thank you. I took Woman's Studies as an under-grad...needed a cross-cultural class. By the end of the term my head was so bent I was picketing my own home because a member of the patriarchy live there (me). I'm much better now but I remember some of the course material...

Joanie has been sexually active since she was able to blow bubblegum, that woman oozes sex in every breath she takes...omg.

@agirlwithdreams15

7 жыл бұрын

jazzytds nah, people just sexualize her