Inside Episode 409 Mad Men: The Beautiful Girls

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Christina Hendricks and Elisabeth Moss, with creator Matt Weiner, explain how episode 409 tells the story of how women's desires are thwarted as their roles are defined by men.
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  • @cumomsandcureloms
    @cumomsandcureloms4 жыл бұрын

    Miss Blankenship is 67 when she dies. Bert Cooper has a great line--"She was born in a barn in 1898. She died on the 37th floor of a skyscraper. She was an astronaut."

  • @alexisk1659

    @alexisk1659

    4 жыл бұрын

    I never understood why ppl thought that was such a great line. If anything, it was condescending.

  • @ellep.6204

    @ellep.6204

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@alexisk1659 How was it condescending? She lived through an amazing amount of innovation and progress in her time, both technologically and socially. She was born at a time when most people didn't even have electricity or refrigeration, and yet held a job for herself in her later years in a time when even the young women of the show are expected to get married and stay home to raise the kids. She transcended all of that. I think calling her an astronaut is a lovely analogy.

  • @acoustic5738

    @acoustic5738

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ellep.6204 The guy didnt understand the line.

  • @incub8

    @incub8

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ellep.6204 - EXACTLY. I often think of my grandfather who was born in the very late 1800s and died in the late 1970s. He saw the world go from horse & buggy and coal-powered steam engines to space travel. That would have been an incredible life to live. Absolutely incredible.

  • @fhowland

    @fhowland

    3 жыл бұрын

    SUCH a beautiful line.

  • @orale_
    @orale_5 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Faye was too pure for this world

  • @7739299926
    @77392999265 жыл бұрын

    One of the most heartbreaking things on earth is a truly sad child. Sally (Kiernan Shipka) did an unbelievably great job in this episode

  • @RonJohn63

    @RonJohn63

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sally was very, very rude. My grandparents *never* would have let me talk like that (mainly because they trained me from toddlerhood to show manners, even when I wasn't happy at all to them).

  • @kafcuzimbored

    @kafcuzimbored

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sally’s rudeness in the series is almost always done well with a real point to make behind it so it’s easy to forgive.

  • @RonJohn63

    @RonJohn63

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@kafcuzimbored the attitude behind your comment is why children are so poorly behaved.

  • @kafcuzimbored

    @kafcuzimbored

    4 жыл бұрын

    RonJohn63 don’t get what you mean. Her scenes in this episode were important, especially the ones where she was rude.

  • @RonJohn63

    @RonJohn63

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@kafcuzimbored yes, it was important that the actress played a rude child. That does *not* mean that that the character should be forgiven.

  • @trashleykim
    @trashleykim5 жыл бұрын

    I just realized Faye is mikes mom in stranger things

  • @michaelsieger9133

    @michaelsieger9133

    4 жыл бұрын

    She’s also Christopher’s wife in the Sopranos

  • @zodai6806

    @zodai6806

    4 жыл бұрын

    She’s also the Evil Samaritan agent from person of interest

  • @chelsraknrl4218

    @chelsraknrl4218

    4 жыл бұрын

    WOAH YOU’RE RIGHT

  • @thedude5901

    @thedude5901

    4 жыл бұрын

    She’s also the zodiac killer

  • @thedude5901

    @thedude5901

    4 жыл бұрын

    Michael Sieger Na she was the FBI lady

  • @juaneps
    @juaneps2 жыл бұрын

    Kiernan Shipka was about 11 years old on this chapter and she delivered one of the best acting pieces that a child has done in front of a camera on the last 20 years. What a talented girl she is !!!!

  • @LolkeDijkstra
    @LolkeDijkstra3 жыл бұрын

    That goodbye from Sally to her father. The pain, the disconnect, it's palpable.

  • @SomeRandomGuy12x
    @SomeRandomGuy12x5 жыл бұрын

    Gotta say, it was a wonderful touch to have the actor commentary on set, in costume. Its very surreal to have them speaking about "themselves" in this way that would feel conpletely different if they were on some talk-show in plaindress.

  • @kenashcom7580
    @kenashcom75802 жыл бұрын

    It struck me when Christina Hendricks was speaking that what makes a great actor is the they see the character as real, and as a consequence, we suspend disbelief, and see them as real too.

  • @jeanettesilhouette5678
    @jeanettesilhouette56789 жыл бұрын

    I can't believe they didn't talk more about Ms. Blankenship in this episode. This episode was hilarious! But also, I hated that they took her out of the show. She was so funny! They could have done so much with her in future episodes. Can you imagine some of the "one liners" she could have made with her "seedy" past? I think they cut Ida Blankenship out way too soon. Kudos to you Randee Heller. You really rocked this role!!

  • @SergeantExtreme

    @SergeantExtreme

    4 жыл бұрын

    My favorite Blankenship one liner is "this is a business of sadists and masochists and you know which one you are", because in that *exact same episode,* someone suggests to Don that he could get another secretary if he's really that fed up with Blankenship under performing, to which Don replies something along the lines of, "She's the punishment I deserve".

  • @andrewbrendan1579
    @andrewbrendan15794 жыл бұрын

    Off-topic but the necklace and pendant that Joan wears is her signature piece. I wonder if Christina Hendricks kept that after "Mad Men" ended.

  • @triciajohansen9295

    @triciajohansen9295

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes, she did.😎

  • @andrewbrendan1579

    @andrewbrendan1579

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@triciajohansen9295 Something I recently learned is that the pendant on Joan's necklace is actually a pen. (A PENdant, you might say!) I also learned that Ms. Hendricks who likes vintage clothing and other items had purchased the necklace/pen and then used it in the TV show. I don't know if the necklace was bought for "Mad Men" or if the actress simply decided on something from her own belongings but it works with the Joan Holloway look and character. I'm something of a pen collector and would like to know if Ms. Hendrick's pen is a fountain pen (probably) and if it still works and if she still wears the necklace!

  • @triciajohansen9295

    @triciajohansen9295

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@andrewbrendan1579 find out. It sounds like fun.

  • @goldendyme8506
    @goldendyme850611 жыл бұрын

    When Don is in the bar, he sees two women. One blonde one brunette, I thought that represented Megan and Betty somehow. The blonde was interested in Don. Then the way Don looked at Megan in the finale looks like he was done with her. That was a hilarious part with Roger lol.

  • @survivor648
    @survivor64811 ай бұрын

    Such a great series!

  • @abramsullivan7764
    @abramsullivan77645 жыл бұрын

    The best character ever is Mrs. Blankenship she was an astronaut in this show.

  • @nefelitsakiridi
    @nefelitsakiridi3 жыл бұрын

    Joan Holloway is a masterpiece of a woman

  • @fhowland

    @fhowland

    3 жыл бұрын

    She’s fat

  • @Trinity61
    @Trinity6112 жыл бұрын

    Blonde, Brunette, and Redhead.

  • @andrewbrendan1579

    @andrewbrendan1579

    4 жыл бұрын

    ...and Miss Blankenship with white hair. Well, it was a wig but still....

  • @funone8716

    @funone8716

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeesss, I'll take one of each please.

  • @bobbyburseth5861

    @bobbyburseth5861

    3 жыл бұрын

    The thick redhead!all day

  • @AmericasComic
    @AmericasComic5 жыл бұрын

    I think this episode is where Jimmy McGill finally turns into Heisenberg

  • @angelinavang8060
    @angelinavang80607 жыл бұрын

    Don should of chose Faye

  • @andromedastar4900

    @andromedastar4900

    5 жыл бұрын

    @K A Rachel saw through his bullshit and ended it with him. I think she was the "one" though...the one he really loved. But she deserved better than him, and so did Faye. I was upset at how he dumped Faye like that, but then I realized it was better that it ended sooner rather than later. Better that it ended there before Don had the chance to hurt her more deeply, the way he hurt the two women that he married.

  • @charliervrs

    @charliervrs

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@andromedastar4900 I recently noted somethings that made me realize why Faye was never going to be good for Don. She was too career oriented and didn't want anything to do with kids. At the same exact time, Megan got along pretty good with Sally. When she throws a tantrum at Don's office, Faye only makes it worse and Sally goes straight to Megan's arms. Don didn't want a female version of him, and that was Faye. They were too alike.

  • @earthbender723

    @earthbender723

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@charliervrs I think it was mentioned somwhere that Faye represented the commitment of an adult serious relationship, built with time and trust, while Meghan, many years younger than Don, a woman he hardly met, was a childish fantasy of the perfect woman. Don rushed choice showed how he still kept making the same mistakes, how after everything he had been through he still wasn't ready for what a real commitment might bring. He didn't even loved Megan, but the idea of her, which is why the whole marriage went to shit the second she expressed her desires to pursue an acting career and finally shattered this bubble Don had been happily living in (rejecting advertising meant, in a way, rejecting Don, at least that's how he saw it)

  • @Russell_Huston

    @Russell_Huston

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes he should have! Faye was perfect. As smart as Don... nobody's fool. And she stood with/by him in his greatest crisis (desertion charge scare) , she was genuinely good to and for him. He didn't engage in adultery to be with her, their love could have been clean and good. Class right through! When Don dumped her, that's the moment I stopped rooting for him, stopped hoping for him to be a stand up guy. Goodbye Don, If you end up all alone in the end, you've only yourself to blame. Guys, if you ever find yourself a Faye in real life, don't fool around, marry her. Of course this is all fiction, just a TV show, but the lesson is true all the same.

  • @RonJohn63

    @RonJohn63

    4 жыл бұрын

    @K A Rachel Menken, the Jewess? That would *not* have happened.

  • @derlenx1097
    @derlenx10975 жыл бұрын

    three beautiful women, each beautiful in their own way,three went in,only one will come out,and it was going to be her.

  • @caseymaddox435
    @caseymaddox4354 жыл бұрын

    Watching the whole show for the 3rd time. Except this time I had to buy each season. Netflix took it off. I’m completely fine with it. This is my favorite show ever ever ever. Man it’s so good. If you haven’t seen it, do yourself a favor and watch it allllllll!!!! Im a smoker and bought ashtrays just bc of this show! Amazing. Top 1

  • @HHM706
    @HHM7062 жыл бұрын

    I loved Fay, she was lovely

  • @mdelgad01
    @mdelgad015 жыл бұрын

    Why didn’t Joan end up with Roger again?

  • @issecret1

    @issecret1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Cause he was an asshole and she deserves better

  • @lupitagonzalez7949
    @lupitagonzalez7949Ай бұрын

    Abe says, “It’s nice running into you.” and then he literally runs into her and gets stabbed in his last episode. brilliant! 👏🏽

  • @goldendyme8506
    @goldendyme850612 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if Joan and Roger will get together officially in season 6.

  • @margueriteguineheux6095
    @margueriteguineheux60956 жыл бұрын

    Clairol commercial blasts the eardrums!!!

  • @irishbull777
    @irishbull77711 жыл бұрын

    I really don't think they will...I think them getting together is over

  • @solephonic
    @solephonic4 жыл бұрын

    just noticed how different the actor's american accents are compared to the characters they play. (i'm not american btw lol)

  • @goldendyme8506
    @goldendyme850611 жыл бұрын

    Yeah you might be right. I just hope we get more of Joan this season.

  • @LucasVinicius-yb2tw

    @LucasVinicius-yb2tw

    4 жыл бұрын

    I hope so

  • @MBustos828
    @MBustos8283 жыл бұрын

    “My mother made that!”

  • @kingjeremysircornwell7847
    @kingjeremysircornwell78475 жыл бұрын

    I'm attentive

  • @elit3268
    @elit32684 жыл бұрын

    Faye was also kristifuhs wife in sopranos

  • @rightuppercut1426

    @rightuppercut1426

    3 жыл бұрын

    Eli T : She was also the Hulk’s mom. Imagine giving birth to that.

  • @2KMMC2
    @2KMMC23 жыл бұрын

    Exactly women have been held down for real

  • @allydawes307
    @allydawes3076 жыл бұрын

    God I fucking loved this show

  • @legumesworldwide
    @legumesworldwide Жыл бұрын

    ....the ending, lmfao

  • @irishbull777
    @irishbull77711 жыл бұрын

    What in the season finale makes you think that way? I Just remember Roger dropping acid, but maybe I missed something.

  • @goldendyme8506
    @goldendyme850611 жыл бұрын

    Really? What makes you think that? After seeing the the fifth season finale it looks like it might be possible.

  • @julieerin115
    @julieerin1155 жыл бұрын

    1:00 awkward!

  • @95bochamp
    @95bochamp6 жыл бұрын

    When it comes to Joan, I feel something. Two things, actually....

  • @bethe192

    @bethe192

    5 жыл бұрын

    ok, I dont often laugh at juvenile, typical horndog male commentary, but that was damn funny friend. Thanks. 😉

  • @StephNuggs
    @StephNuggs4 жыл бұрын

    Man I can't wait for season 5! Oh wait....... God dammit youtube! Ya did it again

  • @chumbyvids

    @chumbyvids

    4 жыл бұрын

    what's up steph nuggs?

  • @StephNuggs

    @StephNuggs

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@chumbyvids sup brotendo

  • @tudormiller8898
    @tudormiller88984 жыл бұрын

    Whoa! Sabrina was casting spells back then ? But where's her black cat ?

  • @Lafayette320
    @Lafayette320 Жыл бұрын

    In addition to Joanie and Bets, Rachel Menken and Sylvia Rosen, his neighbor in his apartment near the end of the series. None of the other women compare to these women.

  • @sanjnaghosh6462
    @sanjnaghosh64625 жыл бұрын

    It's Mrs Wheeler!

  • @darkside91
    @darkside9112 жыл бұрын

    'I made breakfast!"

  • @travelingnome87
    @travelingnome8711 жыл бұрын

    I think she has her hands full with one baby.

  • @michaelsieger9133
    @michaelsieger91334 жыл бұрын

    I just realized Faye is Christopher’s wife in the Sopranos.

  • @aZeddPrattFilm

    @aZeddPrattFilm

    4 жыл бұрын

    No she isnt

  • @michaelsieger9133

    @michaelsieger9133

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@aZeddPrattFilm she is

  • @ashannet7265

    @ashannet7265

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes! And from Stranger Things

  • @myoldvan119
    @myoldvan11912 жыл бұрын

    yeaaaaaaaaaaa

  • @user-qx5nk6qg2b
    @user-qx5nk6qg2b3 жыл бұрын

    From L to R: L looks likes the door guard on Wizard of Oz. M looks like a African Grey parrot. R looks like the bird man from Neverending Story.

  • @marshacreary2442
    @marshacreary24427 жыл бұрын

    :14-:32 To be dampened, to be repressed, to recede into the background in an exaltation of the male ego, to be secondary, in thought and in deed. To pronounce men superior in intellect while observing the office pecking order on both sides of gender. To be reminded of the hierarchy and the inability to breach equity. To tread lightly with regard to office politics and navigate amongst office romances, this is mad men

  • @jjohnsengraciesmom

    @jjohnsengraciesmom

    6 жыл бұрын

    Marsha Creary but things were changing and they couldn't stop it.

  • @countwolfula
    @countwolfula11 жыл бұрын

    True - when 2 people are meant for each other, age is just a number.

  • @esrapk

    @esrapk

    6 жыл бұрын

    and prison is just a building

  • @abramsullivan7764

    @abramsullivan7764

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah you're right my age is 21 and honestly I don't have someone in a new relationship.

  • @ingridaguero6460
    @ingridaguero64604 ай бұрын

    A woman: dies The rest of the office: has an midlife crisis but doesn’t call an ambulance

  • @andrewroberts8139
    @andrewroberts81395 жыл бұрын

    Sorry, I tried to watch, but I simply cannot stomach seeing Matthew Weiner, who is alleged to have ruined Kater Gordon's career, be asked for his opinion on anything

  • @venicec3310

    @venicec3310

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is his show though written and directed

  • @rickbeniers667

    @rickbeniers667

    3 жыл бұрын

    what did he do?

  • @nile8146
    @nile81462 жыл бұрын

    lover??

  • @goldendyme8506
    @goldendyme850611 жыл бұрын

    Lol I guess that would be too predictable anyway.

  • @MrYoubetyy
    @MrYoubetyy10 жыл бұрын

    I love this show but..The purplish dress Joan is wearing is dreadful.She has much better taste then that.Well,I'd think the costumers would.

  • @stevemcgee99

    @stevemcgee99

    8 жыл бұрын

    +missy thatsame There's some analysis by the costume designers about why Joan's dresses get more out of style, less sexy and more frumpy. It made sense but I don't remember where to find it other than somewhere on KZread.

  • @MrYoubetyy

    @MrYoubetyy

    8 жыл бұрын

    That really does make sense.She may have given up on attracting men because she was smarter then she even thought.

  • @julieerin115

    @julieerin115

    5 жыл бұрын

    That coral dress she wore on the previous day was nice.

  • @zeynepgulsu1899
    @zeynepgulsu1899 Жыл бұрын

    ha ha

  • @Dungbeetlestrikesback
    @Dungbeetlestrikesback2 жыл бұрын

    Peggys a -3

  • @triciajohansen9295
    @triciajohansen92954 жыл бұрын

    I couldn't stand Abe. Peggy was too good for him.

  • @sandrabalan5306
    @sandrabalan53064 жыл бұрын

    "Most of the things they can't do, I can't do either?" Peggy would definitely be saying All Lives Matter today.

  • @aylinuysal4908

    @aylinuysal4908

    4 жыл бұрын

    lmaoooo

  • @ykMMD

    @ykMMD

    4 жыл бұрын

    I find it interesting how many people see her as a feminist. While she fights a lot of sexist barriers at work, I always saw her a self-interested. She's fighting for herself and not some ideals. Its one of the things the show did so well: characters fit with the time period they were in, their actions seem realistic too. They managed to not project current ideals/actions of feminists to the characters. Tho, I feel like mad men reaaaaallly screwed up at race. They couldve done so much more and so much better :/

  • @mchjsosde

    @mchjsosde

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ykMMD I agree, I loved Dawn and Shirley but the writers clearly weren't sure how to tell a story about race. I agree that the views of the white characters are realistic of the time, they never try to write away the racism. At the same time, the small attempts for them to follow Dawn's life didn't really end up anywhere. Unlike the other side characters (Harry, Ken, and later Bob), we didn't get to see any deep revelations of her character. She gets Joan's job, and that's sort of the last we see of her. They make a point to recognize that black people were marginalized in the workplace but then marginalize them in the story as well (compare that to female stories which are obviously given just as much room as the male stories). It's a near perfect show, and that sadly is one of the imperfections.

  • @irishbull777
    @irishbull77711 жыл бұрын

    hahahaha someone is looking really far into this

  • @avisco01
    @avisco014 жыл бұрын

    What about the 666 in this episode?

  • @zekutoo
    @zekutoo2 жыл бұрын

    Matt Weiner said that Sally has tried to be many roles to Don including….lover?! Holy gross

  • @studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272
    @studiobencivengamarcusbenc52725 жыл бұрын

    The redhead is so feminine - very good for the eyes 🤗😂🐳

  • @TroystonB
    @TroystonB3 жыл бұрын

    Kiernan Shipka is the saddest role I've ever seen, awful parenting.

  • @jimlaguardia8185
    @jimlaguardia81854 жыл бұрын

    Joan and the doctor are beautiful, but Peggy?

  • @triciajohansen9295
    @triciajohansen92955 жыл бұрын

    I still wish Don would have married Faye. Class act! I hated Megan, such a horse teeth phony! Miss Blankenship was a hoot! Joan and Peggy are dears.

  • @eleanorclub
    @eleanorclub7 жыл бұрын

    What a stupid title.

  • @chrisvalenzuela798

    @chrisvalenzuela798

    4 жыл бұрын

    bum

  • @echofourmike85
    @echofourmike853 жыл бұрын

    Peggy was NOT a pretty girl

  • @teresayeates3437
    @teresayeates34374 жыл бұрын

    "The beautiful girls"? Elizabeth Moss? Okay.

  • @orangehoof
    @orangehoof4 жыл бұрын

    I disagree with Weiner's premise that somehow 60's women were subjugated to the whims of men and lacked self-determination. Yes, men place women in difficult circumstances they might have chosen to avoid but women do the same thing to men. I think it is feminist hyperbole to think women are always thwarted by men without conceding that men are often thwarted by women, then as now. Men could be more piggish and insensitive then but women find ways to get their revenge, often through emotional blackmail. Most women play on the home court of emotion while most men play on the home court of logic and pity the man who tries to beat women on their home court using logic. It doesn't work.

  • @ykMMD

    @ykMMD

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Ive never seen it that way and I never will. This comment gosh. Most of the emotional problem men face are rooted in toxic masculinity. I wont reply to the rest of your incoherent word-salad. There are more than enough proofs, research and analysis on the matter that proves you wrong. As if 'emotional blackmail' compares to rape, domestic violence, verbal and physical harrasment in the work place, gaslighting, unequal pay and mediocre men being seen as better than you. Fucking hell.

  • @elizabethpeterson455

    @elizabethpeterson455

    Жыл бұрын

    Why would a man beat a woman in the first place? Your thinking would place you in prison....

  • @JasonVictorEverett
    @JasonVictorEverett Жыл бұрын

    Lol. With all due respect. What does Matthew Weiner know about women? Seriously.

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