always think it’s funny when people brag about an ego death as an accomplishment (“I killed god”), and then go on to make a *public statement* about it. 🎶 isn’t it ironic 🎶 ‘Ego death is a "complete loss of subjective self-identity”’. Most people who really go through this don’t talk about - bc it’s usually a socially shamed experience - like psychosis, near death experience, grief or complete failure / identity breakdown.

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

I considered this before making this video! I don’t think we can say someone *hasn’t* had a certain experience just because they’re talking about it publicly. I like making videos and talking about things I find interesting! I also went back and forth on the phrase “I killed god” as some people may interpret that as a grander statement than I mean… I settled on using it because 1) I *did* put an end to my perception of god. God was something I internally experienced and that now ceases to exist. 2) gotta hook the viewers some how 😏

@ay2257

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like you're getting hung up on definitions and other people's experiences my guy

@ItsHarrykins

3 ай бұрын

gate keeping growth and changing by saying you should actually be ashamed of it… yeah, sounds cringe L

@mouna8720

3 ай бұрын

i understand what the op is saying, but i really want to emphasize as someone who went through psychosis (i was born and raised in a muslim family. my maternal and paternal lineage have been muslim since islam was first introduced to west africa centuries ago), it's hard to talk about this because it is embarrassing. i lost friends, work, family members, and so much more when i went through my ego death and perspective collapse. it quite literally still haunts me. like our fave little thought bug here, it really hit the fan for me around my mid-twenties specifically 23-25. i appreciate her for making this video because the reason why i struggle to talk about it IS because it's humiliating. i have felt so much power and gratitude for this life transformation and this grieving process, but no one arounds me understands... at all. so even when i have tried to talk about it people just see me as a "fuck up" or "lazy". MANY people don't ever question their lives and/or perspectives like this until they're middle age--if that. so it's important to highlight the reasons WHY people don't talk about it instead of shaming those who have the courage and understanding of WHY it's worth making public statements about. so again THANK YOU THOUGHT BUG for making this video. i think we can hold space for this comment while also acknowledging the great importance of creating a video like this. it's because it's important, necessary, and life-altering.

@tpbloomfield

3 ай бұрын

"Most people who really go through this don't talk about it - bc it's usually a socially shamed experience" To me, that's exactly why people SHOULD talk about it. Much like the other things you mentioned, that should also be talked about more (grief especially, we need to normalise talking about grieving already!). A complete loss of self-identity can be really damaging psychologically; trying to mentally rebuild who you are in your own eyes is no easy task, before even getting into dealing with the social complications and stigmas that come from doing so - potentially losing friends and family, feeling unwelcome or uncomfortable in places you once viewed as safe, etc. In my opinion, we should be encouraging people to talk about going through these things more, stop letting it be socially shameful, so that when others go through it they know they're not alone in the pain and conflict they're feeling.

something this video made me think about is how important choice is. i really admire how you can find positives and not resent your past beliefs. i also am no longer christian, but i was raised christian and had no choice and i honestly couldnt find a single positive ive gained from that experience. idk it might not be very relevant but i think being able to choose your own beliefs, even if you abandon them later, will entirely change your perspective of them.

"babe wake up, thought bug just posted peak content" 👑👑

Inb4 all of the comments trying to convert you back with a KZread comment 😂

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

😭😭

@londonapologetics

17 күн бұрын

First, can you prove that Christianity is false? Probably not. Therefore, if Christianity is true and she just strayed off the path, a comment could be all it takes. So how about you let people work through these issues, and keep your elementary comments to yourself.

The concept of an infinite punishment for a finite crime just feels infinitely unjust. Enjoyed the video!

@felixmeier3298

3 ай бұрын

Where does the notion of infinite punishment originate? How can one receive eternal punishment without being granted eternal life? Eternal punishment presupposes immortality, yet eternal life is not universally bestowed, particularly not to those in Hell. Without immortality, the idea of eternal punishment lacks logical coherence, especially considering its exclusion from those who are not granted eternal life.

@grapetoad6595

3 ай бұрын

​@@felixmeier3298 it is easily logically cohesive even without eternal life; deprivation is a type of punishment (e.g. prison's only (intended) punishment is the deprivation of liberty) so even if you don't believe in a literal hell and only in annihilationism, there is still a punishment in that some people get eternal life and reward for following the rules in a book without any evidence which has the main character committing atrocities, whereas the nicest person in the world wouldn't get in if they didn't believe. Let alone the different doctrines between Christians about what constitutes a godly life.

@Lox_128

3 ай бұрын

​@@grapetoad6595 Who are you to decide what's moral and what's not?

@Sovvyy

3 ай бұрын

​@@Lox_128 For me, I don't think any one person decides what is understood to be moral/imoral in society, instead we communicate and advocate our moral intuitions. This leads to objective observations about morality in groups from which we form social contracts. I think your question however implies an objective morality (sort of monolithic) and dismisses the validity and authority of the person, rather than responding to the content. A better question might have been "how do you determine right from wrong?".

@Lox_128

3 ай бұрын

@@Sovvyy Sometimes the validity and authority of the person needs to be disregarded... but who am I to say that I could do such a thing and that they are objectively wrong and I am objectively right? It can't be as simple as a group consensus because what if you end up with a Nazi Germany situation? An entire nation (for the most part) adopts an anti-Semitic sentiment and views the discrimination, persecution and eventual eradication of a race of people as objectively morally good. They were able to do that because they haven't grounded morality in anything, one guy just made it up by himself. As for "how do you determine what's right and what's wrong" - well that's what the moral argument is all about. Some evolutionist type people say that it's ingrained within us as a requirement for our own existence (we as a species couldn't survive if we raped / cannibalised / were cruel to one another... even though lots of animals do exactly that, so I'm not sure about the strength of that argument, but that's probably for another discussion), whereas others say we get it from a higher power. The problem is that for as long as we have existed, humans have done bad things and believed them to be good, so the instinct either doesn't exist or isn't respected. Either way, you arrive back at subjectivity. The other solution gives us objectivity outside of ourselves. I'm not saying that that's the right answer here - I'm happy to sit on the fence for the purpose of the argument. :)

Yay new video! I found your channel from the Jeremy Kyle video. I have watched all your videos since. Thank you for all you do here ❤️

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for coming back and supporting my videos ❤

As a life long atheist, I view people who say they have a "Relationship with God" the same way as certain anime fans that have waifu's.

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

😭

@jerkojerkic9349

3 ай бұрын

You see, your personal choice of having relationship with God is to deny him. That still won't change the fact that he is alive, that he loves you and that he want's you back to where you belong with him. This is why that is a personal choice. God is not intrusive and he will not force himself onto you, but you need to seek him through his Word to find him. He is still protecting you, but time is short and his coming is very soon. Then there will be no doubt for the whole mankind that he exists because he will come to judge the unbeliving and unrepentant people.

@archive3339

3 ай бұрын

@@jerkojerkic9349 people like you are the reason people like him say things like what they commented

@jerkojerkic9349

3 ай бұрын

@@archive3339Please read this message given to woman prophetess in January 9. 2019. May you read it with patiance. God bless you. The message is from Father God. Daughter, it is your Father speaking to you. It is I, the Great I AM. Do not be afraid to speak My words. I speak a most dire warning to all the inhabitants of the earth. I speak to anyone who has NOT heeded My previous warnings- those whose eternal destiny is damnation. Listen to your Father! Listen to the One who gave you the breath of life! Your failure to respond and repent from your wicked and sinful ways will cost you eternity! You know not of that which you will face when the breath of life is taken from you and your soul leaves your body. You who have ignored the continuous and countless ways I have desperately presented truth to you. You who continually and repeatedly choose the desires of your flesh over the food I offer for your spirit. You who act and live as if you can serve God and mammon with no accountability. The eyes of your soul feast on murder, anger, rage, fear and death; fornication, idolatry and lust of every kind fill your eyes, minds and your ears everyday. You do not even know the meaning of the word compromise. You entertain yourselves by feasting on blood and death. Therefore, I will give you over to your desires. I will not save you who do not want to be saved. You give your allegiance and are in covenant with another by the willful sin you allow to perpetuate. Do you have any idea what you are doing? To give allegiance to any other god but Me is certain death. Eternal death. I will not protect you or keep you from the hour of trial coming imminently upon the earth when you feed from his table, the table of the enemy. I am holy and I am just, and you walk with no intercessor, My Son Yahushua to plead your cause or to intercede on your behalf. Judgment is here and you will stand alone, naked in your sin, filthy and repulsive in the presence of the Great I AM, and you will already be judged by your words, deeds and actions and your refusal to live a life of holiness and obedience. Your witchcraft will not save you then. What witchcraft is this you ask, in your vanity and your pride? It is the vile and filthy things that fill your lives. You dine with devils. You invite darkness in at every turn and darkness will be your abode eternally if you do not repent. You have given the enemy permission to enter all aspects of your lives and he finds his dwelling place already within you. I created My people and breathed My breath into you in order for you to glorify and reflect Me. Your agreements with satan and the permissions you have given him will turn your vessels from that which I desired to be used for My glory- vessels of honor, into that which satan will use to destroy you. Do you hear what I am saying? Because he cannot create and needs an army to inhabit to wage war on My righteous ones, you will be used as his instrument, instead of you being My instrument. The moment in which he and his demons are plunged from My Kingdom and cast to this earth, he will be desperate for a physical place of habitation. Those who are not walking with Me will be those he then completely inhabits. Why do you think My warnings have been shouted so urgently now? Because that time is imminently upon you, and then satan will have his army, and literally, all of hell will be loosed on this planet. This world has never seen anything like this before- an unimaginable and purely evil army of darkness and death, countless in numbers, hunting down those they may devour. Why would I warn and warn as I have, if I didn't wish any would perish? But when that moment of fulfillment of My words are here, you do not want to be one that is not completely covered by the blood of My Son's sacrifice, because then, it is too late, and your fate is sealed. Are these words harsh for you? Or do you laugh them away as you have in the past? Do you suppose they are being penned by an insane writer who has lost all sense of rationality? Do you have the courage to remain in your wickedness and find out if indeed these words speak truth? Mocking the messenger of these words is only mocking Me. This may be the last time you hear these words. WHO DO YOU SERVE THIS DAY??? YAHUAH GOD THE FATHER

@qlqnen

3 ай бұрын

@jerkojerkic9349 Which god?

this was very interesting to hear the perspective of a former christian who wasn't raised into the ideology, i am also a former christian who was very much raised in a christian family with a very sheltered childhood but even though i've admitted to myself i'm a non-believer for several years now i feel like i'm still in that period of grief, and that could be because my religious upbringing was very intense and all encompassing but it could also be because the loss of my christian faith was only the first domino to fall in a long row of harmful and problematic ideologies i've since had to challenge and ultimately discard meaning not only is my world view now very different in terms of religion and spirituality, basically my entire perception of existence has been flipped on its head and recovering from that has been very difficult, i'm still figuring it out but hopefully i'll get there someday. anyways great video thank you for sharing your experience.

@kavehsankles

3 ай бұрын

This sounds similar to my experience, it's a lot for someone to go through, and it can be really tough, especially when the religion is all encompassing and feels like your whole life. You're brave for going through that, I hope things feel better for you soon

This was very thought-provoking and made me think and reflect on my own experience with christianity and realize that I need to practice some radical acceptance in my life right now, too. Also, love love love your videos keep up the great work 🥰

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

Wishing you the best on your journey 🫶🏼

@Maery-997

2 ай бұрын

Oh my gosh I would love to talk to you about this! I’m a Christian but love taking about other people’s perspective!

My thought with religion is that we, as humans have a brain that can come up worlds, universes, etc. of an immense expanse. There are reasons to believe is something greater than you. Some people need that, some people do not. The mindset of everything happens for a reason, or predefined destiny was always a point of conflict for me. The age-old question of ‘why does God let bad things happen to good people’ even though endless debate, always left me with more and more resistance to the idea of a higher power. I think I naturally questioned religion (I grew up catholic and never really had a ‘relationship’ with God, it was more of a looming presence) from a young age. The two sides of Christianity I’ve experienced, like you said is a very fear-based teaching, ‘you’re worthless and should cower before God’ and ‘God loves you, he made you in his perfect image’. So, I should love something I fear? It never made sense. One of my biggest reasons for stepping away from religion in general was the fact that, an all-powerful being, infinite power, created the universe, care about me believing they exist? Why? Why does it matter that a person so infinitesimally small in a such a vast cosmos believes in the existence of their creator. Anyway, loved the video keep up the amazing work.

I feel like your mind and mine are 2 sides of the same coin sometimes😅 I was raised Christian, am literally 26, went through a breakup, unofficialy moved in with the parents, and have unironically been boasting my newly perceived lack of ego lmao I personally still consider myself a Believer but I've definitely been reexamining the shortcomings of the institution, patriarchal besmirching of doctrine, and general toxicity that breeds the religious trauma we've all discovered we have. It's definitely a beast of a thing to reconcile and still hold on to, and I respect your flow of logic that brought you to your conclusion. One thought I've had pertains to your perception of self. You've talked on your channel about your mental health extensively like in your defense of Trisha P, and I've heard before that dealing with the kind of minds you and her lean toward having, it can be difficult, damn near impossible to reconcile your already delicate identity and sense of self with the modern ideologies we implement with modern day Christianity. I'm deathly curious if/how your perception on that front impacts your idea of God and how you see yourself? I have more thoughts but one can only communicate so much in a KZread comment😅 Also I'm gagged at the fact that your idea of "short-form, low effort content" is frickin "ego death and why I shifted my entire dogma of truth before 30"💀 you're legendary for that💯🫡

This is a great video, it's really nice hearing you applying your considerate analysis of yourself. Keep up the good work.

cant wait to see your thoughts haha

i just watched your love island video, and now this one. i have never watched love island, and have never been a christian, but im obsessed with your videos. they are so good, now time to watch the video about the jeremy kyle show (which i have also never watched)

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for being here!!

This was absolutely fantastic! Discovered you recently and absolutely love the content!

I've just recently (like a a few weeks ago) became a Christian and seeing this video has really done a lot for me in terms of my faith and how I view things. Really great video and I'm very glad that you have found a life path that is right for you :)

i love this video. thank you for creating this. i needed this.

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

I had a similar experience. Not really raised Christian, taken to a youth group by a friend, went to soul survivor and then in my late teens just realised I didn’t believe in religion. I was doing a philosophy A-level at the time so I started to have new questions about stuff that I didn’t know how to articulate before. All of which is I throughly enjoyed this video. It’s good to know someone else out there has had a somewhat similar experience. I would be very interested to watch a video about the soul survivor scandal as I wasn’t even aware of it until today. Keep up the good work!

20:36 oh man, I feel this so much. I thought so much about the parable of the man who built his home on sand when I first came to realize that I no longer believed.

Love your accent 😊 Thanks for sharing and keep a skeptical and thoughtful mind

this is such an interesting video, hearing your particular side is thought provoking.. its great!

I think you might be referring to the just world fallacy at 19:52, at least to an extent. This was a point of contention for my own journey away from christianity. When you're thrown into suffering that is beyond your control after being immersed in this mindset, it's very hard not to blame and shame yourself, and for those around you not to do the same if they also have been conditioned to think this way. In my case it overlapped a lot with ableism, but it can feed/be fed by any ideology that dehumanizes or misunderstands. Thank you for sharing your perspective, I enjoyed the video

Love the video keep it up :)

I enjoyed this video, so if you do a few more in this style that sounds good to me.

Loved this story! For video ideas: you remind me of Kidology, if you continue social commentary types of videos, you could be very good at that :)

I was raised conservative Catholic in the U.S. and I’m Queer so unfortunately i haven’t been able to save anything helpful from my time in religion because it was honestly just pure horror. I’m super grateful that isn’t everyone’s experience. I love hearing your thoughts on life, so I would really appreciate these shorter commentaries if you continue to like making them ❤ Happy Sunday everyone, lol

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

Makes total sense, I hope you’re managing to find some healing from that ❤️

Great video, interesting to see peoples experiences.

Thanks for this video!

this is great thank you for sharing

Love this video 🖤

i honestly don’t have anything insightful to say but this video was super interesting

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

I’m glad you liked it!!

Hey love your videos I hope the channel continues to grow :D What camera do you use?

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

I use a Canon EOS 800D DSLR (18-55mm IS STM Lens) with a Rode mic attached and then in this video I’m using a Neewer lavalier mic ❤️

@Blue_Badger_Borb

3 ай бұрын

@@thought_bugThanks for the reply I am already looking at the Neewer mic because I paused the video to google it. Also brought the radical acceptance book so basically people should be giving you big money to do your essays :P

I interestingly share a similar sentiment to you, but in the complete inverse. Granted I am pretty weird, and pretty mentally ill, so I'm not sure if I can trust my own mind anyways lol. But I had converted to Roman Catholicism when I was 16, with a firm and zealous faith, and by the time I turned 19, I had developed an alcohol addiction, and for whatever reason I still called myself catholic, but I had completely lost any active faith. Instead of agnosticism or atheism however (probably because spirituality seems too intuitively obviously real to me) , I turned to an odd sort of new age/buddhist/catholic syncretism. It started when I went thru alcohol induced psychosis, but has lasted up until now in my life, where I can't help but feel like I am God, and I just haven't realised it yet. That's pretty much what most new agers believe. Yet I've been feeling what you call a drive to "radical acceptance" to Catholicism, or at least a traditional Deism. By that I mean I feel as though I know there is a God or power above me, one who can conquer death, and one who has created me, yet I still have this subconscious urge to proclaim myself in his position. When I think of myself as God, or the only real or true consciousness in existence, I feel this awful burden or anxiety on my shoulders, that I must do everything correctly, and prove myself to be the highest being in the universe. Yet when I accept that God does exist, and he is not only the highest, but he is being itself, then I know my ego must be crushed, but I also know that I don't have to hold any burden- I just have to trust in him. I guess what I mean from all this rambling, is that In my experience at least, I feel the highest ego when I'm away from God, and although I feel such a strange resistance to it, I deep down feel like I have to accept that my ego strains my relationship with God, or else I prolong my own suffering. If nothing else, I know I should worship, that is give the highest worth, to that which is most powerful, and as Divine as I think I am sometimes, I know damn well ive never risen from the dead, and redeemed all of reality at the same time, so I still try to become actively faitfhul to that which can save me. Im a pretty terrible Catholic, but an even worse God (and atheism to me is just an impossibility).

The idea of radical acceptance to me is tricky, because as much as it would be great to accept the state of the world and hope that it changes, I find it tricky to accept something I want to be different. For instance there's inequality, wars, abuse, how do we accept that but also strive to make those things lesser things? I don't mean that as a criticism, more a question to see if someone has figured it out. It seems like a complicated dynamic to accept and to refuse at the same time. I guess this applies not only to what we want, but those in those situations, because how can someone be in a warzone, and yet not feeling suffering as a choice? Great video as usual!

@kbai12

3 ай бұрын

I had the same resistance when introduced to the idea, but it's not advocating approval. For example, one might spend a lot of time thinking about something traumatic that happened and wishing it hadn't, thinking about ways it could have been avoided or what life might be like if it hadn't, but this rumination is only adding to their suffering. They don't have to approve of whatever happened to them, but by accepting that it happened, that it makes sense that it happened due to the tons of interconnected events that lead to it, they may be better able to move forward or let go of the grasping for an alternate reality. You can't address inequality, war or abuse if you can't accept that it's happening, and this acceptance is often a step required to get to the step of change. DBT's full of seemingly contrary ideas, "both and" instead of "either or," and it's hard to wrap your mind around at first when, at least in my culture, dualism is often taught rather than dialectics. Hope that makes sense. Personally, I'm hesitant about the "suffering as a choice" phrasing, because like you say, this may be more relevant to the mental health of someone with their basic need for safety met than to someone in a war zone. The buddhist philosophy this comes from would probably extend it to all contexts though, for example I saw a comic strip once to illustrate it: someone is hanging from a cliff from a vine that is tearing, a hungry tiger below. They're understandably terrified, their death immanent, but then they notice a strawberry on the cliffside and eat it, fully present and peaceful in that moment. I think this way of thinking could be helpful to anyone, no matter how dire their situation, but it's hard not to view it through a shaming western perspective, at least for me personally, where it seems more like a blaming "if you're suffering it's your fault, you're not being positive enough" or whatever. Anyways, hope that helps with your question, apologies for the long response

@ohlookitsmikey

3 ай бұрын

@@kbai12 absolutely no need to apologise for the length, I appreciate you taking the time to explain how you see it and what it means to you! :) I completely understand the more obvious aspects of not clinging to past events or struggles, having had CBT where that's mentioned a tiny bit (which I feel the UK mental health professionals throw at any problem sadly). I think maybe, like you say, my problems fully embracing acceptance within me personally, is an inherited cultural shame, or something related, and almost of the idea that we can feel we deserve the suffering, or that it makes us better to dwell on it (learning or in creativity ideas). But yeah, it's been a few days since I watched this so I may be misremembering, but I think I was assuming it meant being content with everything that is happening, which would extend to other people's tragedy, in which, if I don't dwell on it, will I push myself to make change or educate myself about it to help those people? It's definitely a tricky one! But I think what I took from your comic story was that we should let in the things that make us happy, which I agree with entirely, but then my brain tries to disect it as "but if they keep struggling maybe they can avoid death". My brain likes to always find a "what if" I guess. Or gently argue, one of the two :') I'll keep looking into more Buddhist teachings thanks to your kind comment :)

@kbai12

3 ай бұрын

@@ohlookitsmikey Come to think of it I think I had the same response to the comic initially as well lol, idk dude acceptance is a really hard thing to rewire your brain toward. I'm reminded a bit of my response toward "story of your life," the short story the movie Arrival was based on. CJ the X has a great video on it if you're inclined, but one of the things that the movie changed was the way in which someone dies, from a climbing accident to cancer, and given the nature of the story I was really frustrated by it at first because I felt like the death could have been prevented. It's been a while now, but CJ's video and some interviews with the author really opened me up past that initial response and toward a more accepting/dialectical stance, though maybe it's something I should revisit as I'm not sure how to articulate it now. Another resource that might be helpful is Devon Price's most recent book on shame, which touches both on the acceptance/change dialectic and the societal aspect :) My condolences about CBT, it's considered the gold standard here in the states too unfortunately. Best of luck and thanks for your response!

Growing up baptist is what nerfed me. I was always told i would have a relationship with god once i was baptized, and i took that to mean id literally hear him speaking to me somehow. Obviously that didnt happen so i kinda gave up on the whole religion a year or so after the baptism.

it was really interesting to hear your story, I was brought up in a very progressive Christian household (my mum was the progressive one my dad was slightly less so) so i wasnt baptised but the belief's were always around me and I eventually felt pressure to be baptised because i thought that i was diferent because i wasnt baptised, that was totally internal and my parents even tried to dissuade me because i was only 8 when i made that decision but by the time i was 10 i came to understand that in many ways i couldnt really justify the existence of a god if that makes sense, i was then sent to a catholic school for educational reasons not for the religious side of things which was interesting i suppose, but the education i got their led me to be more and more fundamentally atheist lmao, mainly because we were thoroughly shown how Christianity worked and the beliefs were all laid out on the table, for multiple denominations not just Catholicism, and its where i really understood how oppositional modern religion is to equality, and also to environmentalism. I was brought up more of a feminist than a Christian but learning about christianity (and other religions, including ancient ones) deeply really allowed me to see how those 2 forces really dont work together in my opinion. Abrahamic and even other religions are designed from the core to put men first women last and then even lower is how we see the planet we live on, and that has informed the rules of the land as it were that the earth is our bounty to take from as we wish. IDK IF ANY OF THAT MADE SENSE IT WAS A RAMBLE YOU HAVE A WHOLE NICELY THOUGHT OUT SCRIPTED VIDEO HAHA ;-;

This video helped me feel very seen. Thank you.

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

❤️

Good on you. You've freed your mind and now can think more critically. 👌

this was so insightful as someone who doesn't believe in a god, thank you

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching ❤️

Great video. I'd listen to more of these shorter videos if you were to make more of them. My parents were somewhat religious when I was a child (Irish Catholics) but I just couldn't get into it. I fully accept that, in my case, that it was mostly my fault that I couldn't get into it. Being dragged to church every Sunday (back in the 90s) to sit and listen to some old guy pontificate to a crowd for 40 minutes just wasn't as appealing as sitting in and playing Playstation games all day. It took a couple of years but they eventually just stopped bringing me to church I kept making so much of a fuss about it, and maybe a year after that my parents stopped going altogether, as the logistics of one of them staying home to look after me while the other went to church and then swapped around just wasn't worth the effort any more (though they may have started going back in recent years, I don't know I haven't asked). I've always hated religion, and when my interest in history got more important to me and I could read about all the horrible things religion has made or has been abused to make people do, I could never accept organised religion as anything other than a force of human evil. It was just another way for people to single out 'outsiders' and justify doing anything you wanted to them because they are 'infidels.' I have done my best to remove religion of any sort from my life. I don't ask people about it, and I don't share anything about it. It's not always possible to ignore it, but I do my best to look past it.

@TA-yw7ce

3 ай бұрын

You think the mass is about a priest giving a sermon and that’s it ? Clearly weren’t raised very well in the faith. I don’t blame you too much, if you don’t go to the traditional rite of the church, you may be confused since the emphasis after the Vatican council was put onto the priest ‘performing’ facing the people ect

@merlin4084

3 ай бұрын

@@TA-yw7ce being raised well in the faith is entirely dependent on if I cared to learn in the first place. As I said, I was always more interested in playing my Playstation when I was that young. Being dragged away from something you like to go to somewhere you don't care about all that much only breeds resentment. From my point of view, regardless of what actually is supposedly going on spiritually, a priest is giving a lecture or a talk to a crowd and the crowd just sits there, occasionally replying with some prayer, everyone shakes hands and then everyone goes home. A pointless waste of a good hour in a day. That is what it felt like at the time and to this day I've not had much to persuade me that my view would change. I have the same dislikes for the act of exercising. My parents would drag me away from something I wanted to do, to go do something they wanted to do (hike up a mountain for example) and to this day, despite knowing that exercise is actually good for you, I still have my resentments towards it (I have been getting better about it recently, though).

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Great video! As an ex-catholic who’s mum was a nun and dad was a priest this was an especially interesting watch 😂

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

Whoa sounds like you had an interesting childhood 😅

my parents christened me but they didn't practise christianity. i went to friday school and sunday club every week, which i enjoyed. i was gifted a children's bible from one of the teachers there and i would read it every night. my primary school was C of E so there were elements of christianity. my first secondary school was not christian, but in year 9 i moved to a catholic school. it was at this school i started to lose my faith. we learnt about the bible in depth and i questioned a lot of it. didn't help that i discovered i was bisexual at the time and was having lots of family issues. i've been atheist ever since, although during lockdown my mental health got so bad i bought a bible and talked a lot to christians online, trying to find something to keep me going through it all people from my school got bullied by kids from non-catholic schools. we got called stuff like "bible bashers". it was definitely seen as an uncool thing by other teenagers. even people in my own school didn't take christianity seriously. people would refuse to partake in mass and hymns, with some people purposely singing really loud and bad as a joke.

I’d be interested to know more about the type of Christianity you were connected to? I feel like we’re on the same page about most things, but I didn’t find that to not work with my faith. Maybe I just got lucky and avoided the whacky parts within the church?

My experience with Christianity was very different from yours in a lot of ways, I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness (so very much the opposite of progressive haha), and it took me til last year to be able to decide to leave. I laughed when you said you found out about feminism at 16 from Tumblr because same! I then realised in my early 20s I'm bi but there was a lot of cognitive dissonance between my identity as a bisexual feminist and the bigotry I heard all around me. It was really scary deconstructing how I viewed my religion and faith, and I pushed down my doubts for a long time because I couldn't deal with it at the time. Now I'm not sure what I believe, I know I'm not a Christian, but I think I'm at peace with that.

I encourage you to buy a copy of Nietzsche’s The Gay Science / The Joyful Wisdom. Please, please, please do not read a summary, or what someone else thinks of the book. Get the actual book. Read it aphorism by aphorism and at the end of each one, stop, and write down (or, in your case, maybe film yourself saying) what you think that aphorism meant, and when it happens, how it makes you rethink earlier ones. Don’t skip ahead. Just encounter the book as it is, and work with it. This is how I first experienced ego death, and I think only someone who is primed for, or has already experienced ego death, is in a place to hear the book’s message. I genuinely think you will find it a deeply satisfying intellectual and introspective experience. And then you may find yourself staring into a terrifying void of what to do with ideas that try so hard to help people experience ego death, but by doing so are rendered vulnerable to manipulation. Wonderful video, I look forward to your next. If you do try the Nietzsche thing, consider checking out Rumi’s Masnavi. I honestly think he somehow experienced total ego death and retained a belief in god. It’s.. fascinating as someone who has never believed in a higher power. Bonus round: think about how similar the two author’s use of the sun as the ultimate metaphor for love is.

I remember you mentioing this to me last year: the breakup, to ego death, to exiting Christianity pipeline. Blew my mind so much it created a core memory. I'm actually planning on reading (and documenting my experience with) the Bible in a couple months - from an agnostic/atheist(?) POV. So maybe I'll become your equivalent of Benjamin Button, looool. (We love a Nicole LePera, Jung and hero's journey reference ✌🏽)

Glad you got radical acceptance. Romantic limerence is one of its oppositional offerings, and it sounds like the suffering it sews was the piece of the social/historical detritus that drove you to it.

Thanks for making this video! I find it really interesting to hear from you as you were not brought up in the religion at home yet found it accessible. I've personally had a weird relationship with Christianity, being brought up in the the rural countryside in a CofE school but the Church itself where I live feeling like a gatekept, almost cult-like institution. Though, having non-Christian teachers teaching Christian values with us and having visits from the extremely welcoming and very nice local Methodists Church made it seem more relatable. My family are spiritual/atheist and my most welcoming experiences at a young age were local folk communities, with my father being a Morris dancer and all the other people being really friendly so it was always a joy to go to wassailing to encourage the spirits to ensure a good harvest and to wake up early on May 1st with the dancers who carried out the honourable task which made the Sun rise that morning. Each year, thanks to their/our good work, the Sun would always rise and apples would always appear on the trees at harvest (as my Dad would tell me - I found out later though that he was actually atheist and thought he was trying to bullshit me as a joke). My view is that faiths are a metaphor for the values we should have in life, i.e. Jesus living a life of 'love thy neighbour' in the case of Christianity, or gathering to show appreciation for the Sun God and Orchards who we have to work co-operatively with for all's sake in the case of Paganism. At the end of the day, it is our responsibility to look after one another and look after our environment, and I think that as long as we have that at the forefront of our minds whilst having a faith, that is what matters. On that note, I am a teenager so why am I writing like a Grandad

The thing I have always believed is LIFE IS PURGATORY for damaged souls

Maybe a little off-topic, but holy wow, where are you? It’s beautiful.

Thats horrible... There was a time, i also lost my faith but thanks to God, he heared my prayers and answered me. Thats the only reason im Christian again, because God acually answered me. I was devastated, i also had existential treats, i was philosophing about the meaning of live, of existence, what would happen to me once i died, did anything at all even matter, am i truly nothing, just a short existence, to forever vanish? I asked, if there is truly a God, if you are really out there and can hear me, send me a sign, a message, anything, because i never got a message, a vision or anything similar,... (So in other words i didnt give up, the little faith i had left, was still hanging on, ask and you shall recieve, search and you will find, etc.) Why is there no one answering me, is there anyone at all? I actually cried XD. When i woke up the next morning, just before opening my eyes, i saw Psalm 22, in burning letters infront of me (I wasnt sleeping, i was waking up, weird time to have a dream). So i got up, hopped on my PC and searched Psalm 22 (i didnt know what this was about, whatever this Psalm 22 was). Awesome, i got my Message. I mean Dang... actually reading it brought me to tears, even now, reading it again, because i was in the same place. The beginning of it hit me like a truck: "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? Why are You so far from saving me, so far from my words of groaning? I cry out by day, O my God, but You do not answer, and by night, but I have no rest." This is not the full Psalm, if you are interested, please read it. Most important was, i was heared, and thats more than enough for me, to put my Faith in God, he truly knows me. I hope you find what you are looking for, i hope you get your answers, and that you will never loose hope, or that tiny little faith, you maybe have left, i denounced God too, even told my Brother "God is dead" And even after that, i get a message from him... I know our journeys are not the same, but: "You cant find, what you stopped searching." (Cheesy i know) Best of luck to you, i will pray for you too. (Sorry if my english is bad, im german XD)

I never double checked and can’t really remember what the actual questions posed were but I remember seeing study the trend it showed in the English public where I think like 60 percent of people identified themselves as Anglican or something, but only 40-50 percent as Christian’s but only like 30 percent as believing in God, it’s probably a result of weird social Christianity thing that came about in England after Darwin and other other figures removed the necessity of a creator, I think Nietzsche was talking about this when he wrote “for the English morality is not yet a problem” (specifically about how he thought the English couldn’t maintain ideals of Christian morality without religion, which the English had, as far as he was concerned, killed with evolution and science etc)

Video on the soul survivor geezer pls. These ghouls need to be exposed

We are all Gods.

I think the thing about ego death itself is that it's anti human, and all things anti human are evil.

@Dock284

Ай бұрын

how is an ego death anti human?

9:24 I know of another religion that has this tenfold

My church took me to friend

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

They said it couldn’t be done

Ive noticed recently that christianity is kinda "falling off" whilst the older more self help and preservation based religeons are comming back, or just full atheism.

Finally I have achieved ego death and am now better than everyone else

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

Yes! That’s exactly what I said!

I grew up catholic and realised when i was like 7 that god doesn't exist just like santa or the tooth fairy. I do believe that religeon does have its place giving people the morals that they grow up with.

I used to be catholic, then atheist, then agnostic, and now pantheist. I think denouncing spirituality will further remove you from the world around you. It’s only until you understand that everything around you is made up of the same as you, you can relate to all. I believe that god exists, it’s the universe and everything in it, with this you relieve the pressure of being good enough for god, since you are god. Don’t fall into the illusion that you’re separate from anything inside this universe

@arcsballss

3 ай бұрын

it’s not an illusion, it’s something called reality.

@MoAtreides

3 ай бұрын

@@arcsballss if you knew anything about physics you would see that it is an illusion. The atoms in your body are not the same from when you were a child, nothing is really yours, not even you, so yeah thinking that you are anything separate is delusion. The only reality is that this universe is one big energy fluctuating system.

@MoAtreides

3 ай бұрын

if you knew anything about physics you would see that your life is an illusion. Not even the atoms that make up your body are the same as when you were born. Nothing is yours, to think that you’re anything separate is delusion. The only reality is that the universe is one big fluctuating system, and your experience of separation is an illusion. An illusion that will quickly fade once you die.

@MoAtreides

3 ай бұрын

@@arcsballss if you knew anything about physics you would see that your life is an illusion. Not even the atoms that make up your body are the same as when you were born. Nothing is yours, to think that you’re anything separate is delusion. The only reality is that the universe is one big fluctuating system, and your experience of separation is an illusion. An illusion that will quickly fade once you die.

@MoAtreides

3 ай бұрын

@@arcsballssthe@@arcsballssnot the @@arcsballssones @@arcsballss

So many of these comments are absolutely unhinged

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

😂😭😭

God loves you whether you believe in him or not. On the cross Jesus said about those who put him there, “Father, forgive them for they don’t know what they are doing.”

Sounds like a lot of the issues raised weren't issues with Christianity (the religion) but with Christianity (the church). Compounded with a weak understanding of theology ("everything happens for a reason", "soul mates"), and need for support through mental health issues, it's entirely understandable why Christianity didn't seem to be the answer. A poor lived experience doesn't mean Christianity isn't true though.

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

That’s true! It also means that a well-lived experienced doesn’t mean it *is* true

@Lox_128

3 ай бұрын

@@thought_bug in isolation, you're absolutely right! But then philosophy and apologetics enters the chat...

@jacobscott2597

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@Lox_128apologetics and a strong understanding of theology should not be necessary to have a Christian faith. After all, didn’t Jesus say “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven”.

@Lox_128

3 ай бұрын

@@jacobscott2597 it shouldn't, and it isn't. But if you have a weak theology and aren't supported by Christian leaders who know what they're doing / talking about, then it suddenly becomes very easy to leave the faith when hard times come about because there's a weak foundation and insufficient support. For some, faith alone isn't enough. I know that goes against what Jesus said to do, but if someone is contemplating leaving the faith I doubt they're going to take his words seriously at that point.

This is why one should follow and listen to Jesus Christ and not humans . Nothing wrong with going to a church and listening to a preacher , but one must study The Bible for youreslf. We as humans shouldn't put our trust in another human being but only in the Lord Jesus Christ. We humans aren't perfect and me do make mistakes and this is why Jesus came down to earth and became a human being and died on the Cross of Calvary 2000 years ago in Jerusalem, Israel, took all our sins on Him and was raised from the dead on the 3rd day, ascended back to heaven and He is alive

"Everything happens for a reason", definitely undermines the extent to which you can control your life, is borderline victim blaming. It is also a very ignorant, privileged and entitled thing to say.

@justb4116

3 ай бұрын

Victim blaming? Is it blaming the sky when people say its blue? Is it blaming the people who say that the sky is blue without going into details a out the reds, and the oranges, and the grays, and all the other colours? 'Everything happens for a reason' in and of itself has as much blaming as the example with the sky

@robynmcsharry9611

3 ай бұрын

@@justb4116 I'm on about humans, not the sky! 😂😂😂

It seems like you left christianity based on feelings and experience. Its the same reason many join christianity. It's a sad reality. We really need intellectual engagement and earnest truth seeking. I hope God has mercy on those with an honest truth seeking humility.

Its funny, cuz thats not fully what an ego death really is. You arent "killing God" you are killing your own ego. Its in the name. If anything, ego death brought me back into seeing the light. Not in the modern day Christian or Catholic sense, but I an but a cog in the machine of the universe, and ultimately that machine itself IS God. All that machine was, all that machine will be, and how the machine functions, thats God. We are bound by the laws of our reality one way or another. Those laws, aka how the machine functions, is God itself. They are inescapable. They define our reality and outright bind it together at an atomic level. And what are we other than collections of complex atomic structures?

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

In the video I talk about how the “ego death” or whatever you wanna call it led me to several realisations, one of them being that I no longer believe in god. So it was something that came out of the ego death

@jeremiahfyan

3 ай бұрын

@@thought_bug Fair enough. It appeared like a Gnostic viewpoint in which we are "God's" in our own right and all the ither psuedo-intellectual nonsense. I can respect an athiest or an agnostic. Gnosticism is simply based on too much alternate history and is predicated by a dangerous level of narcissism

You have a lot to say about your own feelings and affections for someone who had an 'ego death'. Christianity teaches us to forget the cares of this world and have the patience to focus on the next. This is very hard but that's not a reasan to stop believing in God.

@arcsballss

3 ай бұрын

you sound like a cop

@kevinryan206

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm a real nark. Hope reading it made you feel bad.

Haven’t watched yet but don’t worry the nose ring says it all.

@jacobscott2597

3 ай бұрын

I would encourage you to examine why this video creates this response in you. It seems unwarranted compared to the honest personal experience about religion that was shared.

Didn’t think Louise Perry would be considered a leftist!? She’s constantly winding up the left.

@thought_bug

3 ай бұрын

I think she identifies as left leaning? Not super familiar with her tbf tho

@Night_Bacon

3 ай бұрын

@@thought_bugshe’s a bit of a weird grab bag from what I gather. An anthropology grad who’ll write for the Daily Mail, has some good points about the sexual revolution not helping women, but also misrepresenting or misunderstanding culturally complicated issues to push for something akin to Christian morality.

I see you took the red pill. Welcome to the real world.

It is not God that intentionally condemns you to hell for all eternity, it is your free will, given by God, that you use to choose the road to hell. All humans have free will because God is all loving, for only an infinitely loving God would give his creation infinite freedom. God loves us so much that he has given us even the ability to not love him back, but the demons demand a price for this, and the price is spiritual death, or you can call it "ego death". This is not some abstract idea or metaphor. You talk about reflecting on your thoughts, yet have deluded yourself into thinking that God is to be found through the intellect. How can you possibly attempt to comprehend God or even believe that you could comprehend God, the creator of time and the universe? Only a delusional person could claim that God is to be understood through the intellect. Even so, Christianity is not about this, it is not about you, your beliefs, or how you interpret/understand God. It is all about Christ, who is begotten and not created. Christ who spoke to Moses from the burning bush. It is about living up to our ideal, Jesus Christ, so that we may hope to catch even a glimpse of heaven. It is about understanding that we are sinners and about humbling ourselves before God, recognising that we can do absolutely nothing without God. Every second of our existence is only possible through the grace of God. I wanted to watch the whole video, but half way through my heart was just in pain and my eyes could not bear to watch you slander God's name with such irreverence no more. You never knew God, you never did seek God, and you never accepted God's love because you've never truthfully let all go for him. I pray for you that God will guide you back home like a sheep that went astray, and I hope and pray that God will call on you soon and that you may accept his love, open your heart to his love, and truly put your life in his hands. I know you are not a bad person and you are genuinely trying to find the truth, but truly, I tell you, God is truth. Perhaps you've also been misguided into thinking false things about Christianity, such as that it has "rules". I urge you to study the life of Jesus, who broke all rules. Christianity does not have rules, God is much greater than whatever we humans could even imagine oh God! I beg you to repent and to pray for me and I will pray for you, for neither you or I are worthy of his glory. I will leave you with a quote: Matthew 10:39 "Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it".

@arcsballss

3 ай бұрын

i’m not reading that

Satan won you. Here's the secret, if you stopped believing you never read the book correctly. The old testament is Satan when it refers to Lrd, that is Baal, the jewish god they still worship. When seeing the word God that is the true God that Jesus revealed to the world and is his intermediary. Reread.

@Dock284

Ай бұрын

Ahh yes the vein attempt to rationalize the fact that some people leave your religion. "Oh they were never true Christians" which is something you just cannot know especially if you don't know this person personally.

@SeanThomasCross

Ай бұрын

​@@Dock284 Ah yes, your vein attempt at condescension towards someone you don't know personally doing the exact same thing you tell others they shouldn't do lol It's not my religion, I just know how it works...

@ichsehsanders

Ай бұрын

@@SeanThomasCross Funny how every Believer of any major Religion believes he is among the few people that have the "right" interpretation" of their scripture and can therefore conclude that everybody who is in disagrement with wright because he couldnt possibly be wrong. Tell me: Can You provide a Methodologie that can distinguish beetween a True/False: Religion;Interpretation of it or a even a single Teaching of any Religious Claim? No? Congretulations you achived: Theism Your just another Blind Believer who convinced himself hes somehow special

@SeanThomasCross

Ай бұрын

​@@ichsehsanders Funny how sophists pretend to use rational argument to prove something when you asked me a question and then answered it for me. I am not a believer, I am not a christian. Notice how quick your bias made you presume I was. I know how the religion works and is supposed to work, that's it. I have studied objectively without pastor interpretation and direct from the written word. As for the methodology you seek, look up the CTMU by Chris Langan. Anything else?

@Dock284

Ай бұрын

@@SeanThomasCross I'm not making any claims about you other than the obviously attempt at assuming what other people think.

Sorry but I just watched your Trisha Paytas excuse video and idk if you're gonna see my comment on that video so arfarfarfarf white women need to have their opinion cards revoked

@arcsballss

3 ай бұрын

well, there’s nothing you can do to stop it. you using “white woman” as an excuse to criticize their opinion is just borderline stupid.

Cringe..

I'm in my own process of deconstruction. I am an intense person, who dives head first into things, inflexible and rigid, this is probably due to my aspergers. I have a habit of self abuse from my "pure O" Ocd like thinking, I will build a worldview up, and make it my entire existence, and use it to abuse my self in a form of Ocd this happened recently with christianity (last year or so). Christianity made me think (because I became obsessive) that there were demons influencing me and that I was going to burn in hell. All I got from christains around me was encouragement even if I shared how terrified I was, they would just tell me it was a process. this is because they believe that this is the only valid view of the universe and if it doesnt work for your mind, you are just doing it wrong, or are not accepting jesus properly, ect. I came around and realised "oh wow this has just been another way of me to abuse myself, but coated in a mystifying layer of moral grandstanding" over the last few months. it all started with that question, of eternal judgement, it seemed absolutely prosperous, then I looked at the old testament and how christians blatantly lie when they say that the old testament god wasnt any different than the new, and that he was perfectly loving (even though he was jealous and violent) That question naturally leads to, why does this god, from one little tribe competing with dozens of other tribal gods, have the validity as "the one true god" if you look at pre-history it destroys the view he has that. That at last lead me to how christians put faith before reason, and say if reason tells you to question god, blatantly ignore your reason as it is from the devil. this is irrational, christians must always fall into either irrationality, special pleading, anecdotes or fallacies at the end of the line to justify their faith among the others. This broke me and I gave the faith up. where I am at now: I still believe in a god and objective morality, but I dont know what that god would be like, or if that god is pure good, or if that god is contactable at all I am so grateful for your video, the idea of radical acceptance sounds extremely realistic and beautiful and hopefully that will help me in this continuing process.

This is not about christianity and church goings. It is about your personal relationship with Jesus Christ by whitch a person is saved. It is between you and him, so it is with every individual on a personal level.