Thanks for the support Derek!

@normbale2757

Жыл бұрын

Written backwards; interpreted sideways!

@thelyrebird1310

Жыл бұрын

Subbed... along with 750 others so far🎉

@jonathanfrancis9199

Жыл бұрын

Looks like you hit the coveted 1k subs! Congratulations 😀

@Biblemonger

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanfrancis9199 🤯

@davidhinkley

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanfrancis9199 Already there.

“When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.” Jomo Kenyatta

@rashidaquil5284

Жыл бұрын

The slave bible also Not printed anymore

@tashaburgess3753

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!

@thelouisfanclub

Жыл бұрын

This is simplistic and false. My ancestors the Itsekiri were enslaved by the pagan Benin Empire. The Portuguese came and taught them the Bible and helped them to be free from the Benin. The Pope still has letters thanking from the Itsekiri king in the Vatican archives. This was in the 1400s By the 1990s the situation had changed but it wasn’t anything to do with Christianity. The British and the French conquered Africa through force and aggression, African leaders were simply forced to give up their land to them because they were not powerful enough to fight them although some of them tried hard.

@jaybell1390

Жыл бұрын

@@thelouisfanclub be careful What you Lie for. You Should wake up Black!

@jaybell1390

Жыл бұрын

@@rashidaquil5284 really, there's the koran.

Once you see it... you can never unsee it. I was a Christian for over 60 years, even worked in a Christian ministry for 25 years, went on mission trips. Bible College, etc... Thank you for sharing your story Matt. It absolutely resonates with so many!

@Thadhouse

10 ай бұрын

Once you put on the magic glasses, you can never take ‘em off

@user-iq7yd6im3f

10 ай бұрын

Amen. I started out conservative Christian, saved at 12, filled w the Holy Spirit, prayed and studied the Bible, history, literature , all of the arts, languages, taught university, wrote extensively all forms especially songs sacred and secular, was active in churches of many kinds, worked and lived in other countries, had a family and many deep relationships, and gradually became a strict humanist. BUT have returned to deep prayer and meditation like ancient and modern mystics especially Thoreau (St. Henry). I now attend and minster in church music ministry occasionally which augments my writing life w loving community w limits. Forget theology. Ignore it. I'm all about Love of everyone! So here's a bumper stick I want to make: GOD IS A 4-LETTER WORD. LOVE IS NOT. Honk if you agree. 💟 😇🎵

@Neta4Christ

6 ай бұрын

It doesn’t resonate with so many only with the confused.

@LTD99649

2 ай бұрын

This Matt guy should have just got a real job at any of the several "Y's" he came to on lifes road.

@denniskzs1334

2 ай бұрын

Never unsee what?? Love the person whom puts their eternity into these two clowns. I say that with love but wow. I’m assuming when you’re dead you’re dead right ? How’s it possible to live with no hope.

For me, the hardest part of ALL of it has been dealing with the COLD-hearted, CRUEL, SELFISH, Apathetic, Hateful, Prejudice "Christians" Who LOVE NOBODY!!!

@DB-qw6xq

Ай бұрын

Which Christians are these you seem to have found?

@surfrunnerd8457

Ай бұрын

Remember the words, "Depart from me, I never knew you." The Bible warns us of false prophets, hypocrites, wolves in sheep's clothing. We can't let others shortfalls cause our own destruction.

@kevinbrowne3089

27 күн бұрын

Ah. So they are people.

@jonathaneagle3554

11 күн бұрын

@@surfrunnerd8457I wonder if you could preach that easily if you’ve gone through people like that 🤔

@jonathaneagle3554

11 күн бұрын

I’m saddened to hear what you’ve gone through

I went to the Garden tomb and I found it to be an archaeological find and never found feeling close to God all throughout our trip to Israel. The number of pilgrims was overwhelming, the noise, the constant changes of places, the tension was palpable. The historical sites, the Roman ruins were interesting, but as far as my Christian faith was concerned, I felt zero emotions. I thought I was alone in that situation, as I thought of Jesus more like a prophet after the trip. I returned from Israel with rather more questions than I had before, and started reading about early Christianity. That was an eye opening experience.

@thomassandoval8025

Ай бұрын

You were chasing a feeling. You went to the tomb and felt nothing, and you shouldn't have felt anything. "Why do you seek the living One among the dead. He is not here, but He is risen." Luke 24 I hope you find what you're seeking.

@tammy9497

Ай бұрын

I went to Israel and felt nothing too, but I feel His presence when I am alone in my room in Edmonton,, Canada spending time with Jesus. Sometimes His presence is so strong, other times I may not "feel" it but I know He is with me. I love Jesus so much and I love reading His word. If you are wanting to know Jesus, ask Him in and look for a church that is true to the word of God. Ask a Pastor to help you with your journey - avoid asking for help or answers from the people attending the church because they are on their own journeys. I will pray that you find Him. One more thing... the ONE YEAR bible from Tyndale is a great way to start your journey. I started with the New Living Translation. It turned my life upside down. Finally, ask God to help you find Him. God bless you my friend.

A very powerful testimony. I had 15 minutes before I left for work but ended up.getting the next bus because I did not want to break the momentum! I have not finished yet but so far very honest, sincere in what was a shocking and horrific situation for you and your family. SHAME ON THEM! Can't wait to get to the end of the journey and see where you are now. Peace and love from Manchester UK

The Bible is the book of how to be saved and live godly so you can remain saved.

Someone once said, "Jesus had to 'go to heaven' for the same reason the gold plates had to disappear." God ordered his followers to convert the world but refused to allow the most convincing evidence possible. It's trying to make sense out of nonsense.

I was a Christian watching this and still a Christian now ❤☦️✝️🙏🏿💯⛪️

@frankmeyers7304

Жыл бұрын

Well bless your heart

@ianalan4367

Жыл бұрын

I’m from the south Frank. Bless your heart my friend.

@CR-yd4qe

Жыл бұрын

Y C T A D T W B Y C M I D

@RyanC232

Жыл бұрын

I bet you cannot explain why you are a Christian and not a Bigfoot believer

@josephdye5911

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanC232 You are blind. You are too scared to ask The One Holy God to show you His truth! I bet you wont ask Him. If you do I want to hear your response,

First up, loving the beard! Second, keep up the Great work! Stuff like this is amazing. It's not just the scholar's, but the people. The personalities you bring to the forefront, and the stories they share about how they got to where they did. You bring out the personal in such a cool and unique way that I don't see other interviewers do and that's why I've stuck around for so long! Thank you!

Did you enjoy Dr. Monger's story out of Christianity? Do you relate to some of his experiences? Please let me know in the chat below and be sure to subscribe to his KZread channel. www.youtube.com/@Biblemonger

What amazes me about faith in God is that you can have two biblical scholars who are experts in the same areas; yet one will believe and be encouraged by their research, the other will renounce their faith.

@arunamy362

Жыл бұрын

So true!!

@randellmathews5961

Жыл бұрын

I think that boils down to how important the truth is to them.

@clayjo791

Жыл бұрын

@@randellmathews5961 Both sides will bank their eternity that they have the truth. But God separates the saved from the condemned by means of faith in Jesus. For some, their intellect and scholarship will solidify their faith; for others it will result in unbelief which will be their snare. It's the heart that gives the intellect it's leanings, not the other way around. With God It's not how you start, but how you finish, and It's God's indwelling Spirit who makes the difference in an intimate relationship with Him; not how much you learn or how much you do.

@randellmathews5961

Жыл бұрын

@@clayjo791 There’s nothing other than the brain that explains anything that the brain doesn’t.

@clayjo791

Жыл бұрын

@@randellmathews5961 The brain only explains according to the information it has been fed and the worldview lens through which it interprets that information...i e. the heart.

Thank you ever so much Dr. Monger for being ever so vulnerable with us by sharing your journey. I have a friend, Darren Slade who when we first met, asked me if I wanted to pray with him and give myself unconditionally to the Lord. I declined and told him that if he continued his academic studies of the bible and other ancient religious texts he would eventually become non-Christian. He laughed and shook his head. He is now the President of The Global Center for Religious Research and founding editor of the SHERM Journal. His journey was different, but the end result was the same.

@susettemclachlan8765

2 ай бұрын

And for eternity those who reject the salvation Jesus offers will be wishing for just five seconds back on earth to choose Jesus and receive that free gift of eternal life found only through faith in His finished work on Calvary.

I feel blessed. The Bible has said that Faith is also a gift. And we come to him because he has drawn us and chosen us out of the world. When you look for evidence of faith look for someone who had lost it completely and then regain it. ( like I had been ) - from Hindu to Christianity.

@JesusisaMuslim

Жыл бұрын

Christianity is false. My channel debunks Christianity.

@williamgreenfield9991

Жыл бұрын

@@JesusisaMuslim Weird claim. Islam came about 600 years after Jesus was around. So how could someone be a Muslim 600 years before there was any such thing as Islam?

@williamgreenfield9991

Жыл бұрын

Hindu to Christianity huh? So out of the frying pan and into the fire?

@vtino4825

Жыл бұрын

@@williamgreenfield9991 you have no idea what Hinduism is all about

@vtino4825

Жыл бұрын

people like Matthew was never introduced to the Living Yeshua to begin with; he was introduced to religion and religious dogmas. he never experienced the personal Divine Love of the Father and the Son that fills his heart. what he got was a guilt-trip and a wrong idea that he should be a good person and serve God. shame on those religious institutions that did this to him.

Missed the direct livestream, but am looking at it now. Subscribed to mr Monger's channel immediately, Great conversation! Keep up the good work! Greetings from the Netherlands! Jan

Omg. I love this video. I came from a mixed religion family upbringing. My mom was a Baptist, and methodist, and even looked into Wiccan. My father came from a very devote catholic upbringing. My parents kinda gave me freedom of religion so I thought because all my friends were Baptist that's what I should be. So when I was a young kid this Baptist church down the street from house I would go to. As I got a little older my parents both decided to make up all covert to Mormanism. This was trauma for me because all my friends disowned me and I lost a high school boyfriend over this. My parents weren't in the church long and we left, but the damage was done. My friends never spoke to me again. As time goes on I'm kinda lost but I'm holding on the God and Jesus for myself on my own without a church.....fast forward to the beginning of my time with my Husband. He shows my this video called Zieguest. I probably spelled that wrong so I apologize for that. But this three part video made me go on a self knowing journey. I went on an educational journey to better understand why theses older stories seemed to be in similar to the Bible stories I read as a kid. Fast forward again and I find yall. Thank you for your testimony (sorry for the term if it offends) it reconfirm my stand on this. I still believe there is some kind of higher power out there. But I called it the power of the universe and the power of life. And I love and honor that.

@samulmagnus1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your story. When you said you watched the Zeitgeist I remembered a vid I watched a Christian vid that talkes about it.. If you would like watch Steven Bancarz vid on the Zeitgeist. Also Steven's salvation testimony is pretty amazing. He used to be one of the most influential New Agers in the nation before Jesus saved him. Cool stuff!!

@RobinSongsAreMagical

9 күн бұрын

thanks for sharing, brave of you. Aspects of you story resonate with me as my journey overlaps with yours in part. It was very hard to leave xianity - all sorts of fears including the sense that I might get immediately blighted for no longer accepting the xian gospels. however, here I still am. there are too many contradictions and it seems to me that we can reach God / the Origin, Creator, Sustainer without the paradigms of xianity or other religious dogmas or structures. keep on seeking truth, being honest to yourself and those you trust. wish you the best!

Im 27 minutes in and this guy's faith journey is so similar to mine. I got an akkadian book for my birthday and I've spent about 6 hours a week teaching myself the language. That "this is something i can do" is such a real feeling for me. Closest thing to a real spiritual experience I've had in my life.

@ahmedvawda1282

9 ай бұрын

Mathew 26. [39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Pray to the God that Jesus was praying to and you will be just fine. If you can put your face on the ground like Jesus did, do it in private, otherwise people may think you’re Muslim.

@ryanrevland4333

Ай бұрын

Same. Many of us have this experience. But only the truly curious get out

@ryanrevland4333

Ай бұрын

​@@ahmedvawda1282Nah all of that's made up. He'll be fine whether he rubs his face on the ground or not

@blakec8549

Ай бұрын

@@ahmedvawda1282 I'll put my face on the ground out of humility and charity to my fellow man regardless of what others think before I do it for any authoritative figure that insists punishment for things outside of our control. I don't need to trust a god I don't know because I trust myself

I spent 40 years running from truth and just found Jesus in 2021. Christianity has changed my life and I’m so happy to have Christ as my savior.

@twnb7733

Жыл бұрын

----I was called to share the Gospel with Muslims in Paris. The Muslims who accepted to pray with me, all saw the Christ, had visions.....The whole Humanity is hopeless. For the Christians love so much themselves that they need to take care of their trauma, by quenching the Light.

@guineapigsith699

Жыл бұрын

@@twnb7733 that's the most epic thing i've heard in ages. God bless you. Very inspiring. Did you go into a Muslim area? Were you not afraid?

@DonnaStevens-hs4uv

Жыл бұрын

@@twnb7733 Huh?? we arent supposed to quench the light.. that doesnt make sence to me...

@itiiyt

Жыл бұрын

Lmaoooooooo..it's Paganism

@Jwcounseling

Жыл бұрын

@@twnb7733 I am about to be going to Turkey to share the Gospel with Muslims there as work with underground preachers from Iran. Will be there in June. Keep pushing!

I walked into an Apostolic Church knowing nothing about the Bible. I came across the experience of Acts 2:38 and it changed my life. Because of this experience along with John 3:5 I believe in Jesus Christ with all my heart. Thank God for the truth! It changed my life for the better.

I understand the struggle. I was raised old time Pentecostal with all of its rules. If not for my personal experience with Jesus I could have fallen away. I received the Holy Ghost when I was 10. I am now 60! I had severe things I went through such as OCD that began when I was 15. I prayed for deliverance for a long time not even knowing what I had. OCD was not well known back then. Things didn’t happen for me overnight, but I began studying legalism and grace and as I became delivered from legalism, the OCD lost its hold. I had extreme social anxiety and over time and the Holy Ghost counseling me what to do, I became free from it as well. All I know is God has shown me what to do many times and hopeless situations have melted away. The one driving factor was faith in God and the truth that one day if I held on, things would change. I have dealt with Lyme disease the last 13 years. If not for the things I’ve experienced and faith in God, who knows where I would be. His is the only hand that has held tight to mine, besides my husband’s, and sustained me and kept me from losing hope. Religion I can do without. Jesus I cannot do without.

@bebeitaly08

Жыл бұрын

Amen!!!

@Helena-ox7cr

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry for the bad experiences and fear you had to go through among Pentecostals and endmm I was barely saved from joining such cult when the clocks had been changed right back then, when I was about to join them but the doors were locked in that very morning!!!

@anishb9216

12 күн бұрын

Jesus is only Pentecostal 😊

It’s difficult to come out & admit you are no longer a Christian but once done it is sooo relieving 👏👏. Life is good ❤️❤️

@Wretched2JZ

Жыл бұрын

I can kind of see how folks reject the NT. But to become an atheist and reject God all together from there I’d a huge leap in the wrong direction. In my opinion.

@susettemclachlan8765

Жыл бұрын

And for eternity those who reject the salvation Jesus offers will be wishing for just five seconds back on earth to choose Jesus and receive that free gift of eternal life found only through faith in His finished work on Calvary.

@theharshtruthoutthere

Жыл бұрын

@@susettemclachlan8765 @susette mclachlan Amen, sadly many understand NOT whats truly awaits them.

@TimH-pu2dd

Жыл бұрын

​@@Wretched2JZTo say an atheist "rejects God" is simply wrong. What's being rejected is the claim that any god exists, due to a lack of evidence.

@Wretched2JZ

Жыл бұрын

@@TimH-pu2dd well it sounds like you went too far in the wrong direction! I can just look in the mirror, go outside, look around and see God exists! Life does not come from non life sir.. it just doesn’t. I don’t see how I could ever reject that. Even if the earth is cursed from sin..

Thanks for sharing your testimony, @biblemonger! And thanks Derek @Mythvisionpodcast for having Dr. Monger on and getting him to share his testimony! Wow, Monger's story is so similar to mine. I did the YWAM DTS, not in Hawaii, but in Australia. I stayed on and did the School of Bible (as I understand they call it now, it was the School of Biblical Studies back then) after the DTS, and reconstruction started right there, on the YWAM-base (not deconstruction at that point, but definitely reconstruction). When I got back home, I studied theology for a while, and then decided to focus on linguistics. And I eventually got a PhD in linguistics. I did not go out as a Bible translator, but was seriously considering it. I ended up on the board of the national Swedish Wycliffe-organisation, though. And I've heard horror stories from friends who went out as missionaries (I'm not sure that YWAM counts in that respect. As you say in the podcast, the YWAM DTS is more about the experiences of the participants than anything else. Though this being a country where the churches generally do not have lots of money, those wishing to go and do a DTS have to pay for it themselves.) I have been within the academic world most of the time since 2006, though not within the field of theology (except for the three semesters that I studied theology, of course). Greetings from Sweden (hilsen fra Sverige; about 100 km from the Norwegian-Swedish border)! I'm looking forward to many interesting videos from the Bible monger! 🙂

Loved every second of this! Thanks for sharing your amazing journey to reason, Dr. Monget. ✌

Christianity is a change of heart. Undoing it you will eventually die. I love my Jesus because He died for me and so I will live with Him in eternity🙏

Wow intense.. and yet the Lord has you doing greater things because of the experiences that you've had😊 at the end of all the horror we will find the Truth of God.. and what you are doing now is your truth, and what you are supposed to be doing to help us all come to that One Greater Truth🙏🏽 your experience is not in vain but as a testament of the human experience and connection with the All. Thank you for sharing. I'm also dealing with some missionaries that I've been dealing with for the past year but I've had to strictly put on my foot down and disconnect from the church aspect because I see the greater scheme of things. However, the love that we share for the Lord and also for scripture supersedes our differences. So I still do some studying by way of the missionaries so to help them along with their journey(plus I love talking about scripture and hence why I ended up on this channel), even though they like to take the position that they are helping me.. but I think I've really shined some light their way on things that they're not realizing about the structure they are in. See when you are strictly by way of the church there's a lot of fear to go outside of the box. I was not raised in any church and I have overcome the fears of the indoctrination that were in me just by living in this society and hearing Christians say this and that. Just like I wasn't afraid to see what you guys were talking about, I am not afraid to cross religious lines and I realize there is both truth and deception within the teachings. It's about knowing your own discernment within the scripture. Truth does reside within, but do you have the eyes to see it?❤

Hi Matt, I was with you in Nic. You’re not alone my friend. Loved hearing about your deconstruction (as it were). I 100% don’t remember the speaking in rogues night but I was also the kid who slept face on the floor during worship. Haha! I know you’ll have a lot of people chatting you up but I’d love to talk about your experience more. Much love from your co-leader for a week in Nic. Send my love to Maria and the boys.

@amysequeira2540

Жыл бұрын

Spelling errors forgiven I hope. I can’t edit.

Wow, first interview I watched from this channel! Love the honesty and vulnerability. It’s sad to hear about the PTSD but I definitely understand having been dealing with religious trauma myself, I know it’s real and complex, hard to explain it to friends and family who have not gone through it themselves. My heart goes out to his wife and kids, who experienced that school situation. Phew, I feel the sense of relief, knowing that it’s going to be okay now! You can live authentically from your self, it’s a journey of self exploration. Hats off to you for doing the interview! Wish you the best!

@twnb7733

Жыл бұрын

The Christ died for us, it’s not traumatic? I shared the Gospel with Muslims in Paris. The Muslims who accepted to pray with me, all saw the Christ, had visions…. The whole humanity is hopeless, for the Christians love so much themselves and are falling away to take care of their trauma!

@Sindi63084

Жыл бұрын

​@@twnb7733 agree! 💯

@cephas5084

Жыл бұрын

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. (1 John 2:19, ESV)

@blzebub2

Жыл бұрын

@@twnb7733 If god died, then he's dead, so game over. If he didn't die, it's a fraud.

@subjectj077

Жыл бұрын

@@twnb7733 What the fuck dude!?

Hi from down under. Great comments from you both. Setting aside the intellectual comments,discussion and academia, seeing the beauty, kindness and intrinsic goodness in people to me is more important at this time in our evolution than whether historical personalities existed or not.❤

I was a backsider. Just like Matt. I also felt pressures from the church. And left because of the imperfections of church culture, as well as wanting to live for myself. Where Matt is now, I have been. Living for church, and then leaving the church. Church church church... Doing church for God. Etc 25 years later the Lord called me back. Nothing to do with church. In fact I wouldn't trust a church until 3 years later. I ask all the wrong questions that frustrated average Christians. But you can have all the theology in the world and still throw it away. My faith isn't in the church. It's in prayer in the quiet place where no one sees. It's in Jesus. It's not in church people. It's in prayer and relationship. All I hear is what Matt is "doing"... But salvation does not come from works. You can know the bible, know the church, do the work, and not love God

It was profound and moving to hear of Matthew Monger's experience. So powerful. A lot of trauma in his experience that is difficult to process but so glad to hear of his story. Work he does sounds really good.

@twnb7733

Жыл бұрын

Powerful? I was called to share the Gospel with Muslims in Paris. The Muslims who accepted to pray with me, all saw the Christ, had visions…. There is nothing out there in the world.

@abdullahisaid316

Жыл бұрын

@@twnb7733 christianity is a copout from the reality an ideology of love and fear man made faith full of contradiction verses how on earth can a book of god have so many mistakes shocking god loves me I read the bible and it false book

@twnb7733

Жыл бұрын

@@abdullahisaid316 If a religion tells you that God is as easy as 1+1+1=3, you can understand God, then this religion must be fake. Dig further. Look at Jews! They are the sign, right?

@nottthereyet4872

Жыл бұрын

I find it puzzling that Dr. Monger can break down History's timeline with so many "supportive" references, yet he was unable to pinpoint the exact years of movement in his own young life.

@Patriot11111

Жыл бұрын

@@nottthereyet4872 He did NOT have a born again experience.

I left 20 years ago after being an evangelical leader and founder of an international urban poor mission for many years. Takes bravery and true honesty to do what Monger is doing. There's a high price to be paid but worth it to be able to live with yourself.

@nunomartins2209

Жыл бұрын

​@fgb fgb Jesus is fake he didnt die for u Deism is the truth

@Isaac5123

Жыл бұрын

@fgb fgb it's not walking away from God we are talking about. I pray directly to God every day without the false church

@Isaac5123

Жыл бұрын

@fgb fgb you have been misled. There are no prophecies fulfilled. Isaiah was misinterpreted and mis translated. You don't understand Hebrew do you?

@raysalmon6566

Жыл бұрын

its doubtful that you ever became a child of God you left a culture not God's adopted family

@raysalmon6566

Жыл бұрын

@Gary Allen that is nothing more thsn evolution dogma humans have only been in existence less than 7ky

Why are you all so surprised, this is not first time this thing has been happening... "From that time many of His disciples WENT BACK, and WALKED NO MORE WITH HIM. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, WILL YE ALSO GO AWAY?" (John 6:66-67 KJV).

@michaellemmen

5 күн бұрын

Who’s surprised?

I can relate with this, its like I started seeing major contradictions everywhere in the Bible. It made it Confusing and Chaotic. Sounds familiar right, like everything happening now. We have been lied to. And lied to about Everything.

@BrotherInChristDK

Жыл бұрын

Lol nah the "contradictions" youre probably thiking about probably don't change the message of christ

@robertdavidson3999

Жыл бұрын

The very reason that the contradictions have remained proves that the validity is from God. There is a deeper meaning to all the contradictions. Otherwise if it was human authors they weren't very clever to compile a book.

@jm329

11 ай бұрын

@@robertdavidson3999What?

@janglandis773

7 ай бұрын

Wow, your comment in a contradiction. @@robertdavidson3999

This is very sad but it does say that in the last days there will be a great falling away. I became a believer of Jesus since I was aged 12, by myself sitting on a farmgate, I asked him to proove himself to me, whilst overlooking the valley in Devon, England. This happened after my brothers girlfriend left all her witchcraft books in the garage when they split up and I was looking at her stuff all stacked up. I picked up her bible out of the pile and started reading it. That's how I read about Jesus. I have gone through many many trials in life but have not walked away. The time is very very short. Please don't let your hearts grow so cold that it takes you to hell. Turn back to God.

@luisdiegomarin2574

Жыл бұрын

Right. I was thinking the very same. The great falling away in the last days. Dr. Monger's leaving Christianity, just like anyone else doing the same, only confirms what has been written in the New Testament for all these centuries. Those who trust Jesus and love Him cannot fall away, since Jesus promised "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand". John 10: 28

@chirovandenbos2339

Жыл бұрын

Yes....when you are awake you see it around you. A lot will leave and dont believe. A small group will survive.

@CasperWest

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, many are falling in the faith. Which is why Jesus said the gate to heaven is very narrow. There’s only a few that will endure till the end.

@Avoicecyringinthesuburbs

Жыл бұрын

I dont think it is a coincidence that we are seeing the rise of the east just as the West declines just as they are turning from God. The east will rise up and be used as Gods hand to bring judgment upon us.

@rockrecordreport7136

Жыл бұрын

@@luisdiegomarin2574 This is covered in this video. The bible says it is true because it says so. No proof. just empty promises. It's a book that has been taken out of context. Just because some book says they promise eternal life does not make it so. You are caught in a loop of lies.

I am so glad that we found your podcast, and your interview with Matt Monger. I can't even begin to describe how our paths have covered so much of the same spiritual ground, the same confusion, the same missionary background, the same deconstruction... the same conclusions about Christianity. I grew up as a missionary kid, and served for 20 years myself as a missionary - much of that time in West Africa. I've been to Mali many times, and I was a crisis manager, and I taught missionaries how to get out of crisis situations. Wow, so much I could say here. My heart goes out to Matt and his family. As we listened to his story, I found myself getting increasingly angry - not at Matt, but at the mission agency and the system that would endeavor to get them to remain in a highly dangerous situation because of "God's Calling?" My God, what Bullshit. Derek, thank you for introducing us to Matt. I am going to look up his You Tube channel right now and reach out to him, but if you have another way for me to get in touch with him I would appreciate getting his email or whatever contact method is appropriate. Thanks Derek.

@jeleelabas9594

Жыл бұрын

Your frustrations with your church mission board does not disprove anything in the Bible. In fact, it proves the words of Christ about discipleship.

Sorry to keep commenting lol.. but when I sent my last post through and I said that his experience was not in vain. I did not realize that you had said that in the video because I'm watching it in parts and I'm commenting according to where I'm at. Right after I sent my comments I turn the video back on and the host spoke about the journey not being in vain! I swear I didn't hear you say that first before I wrote that. These experiences we have amongst one another are the Truth of God to me. Once all the fears clear away on this path then you begin to truly realize God in the most purest way.. which you could not find in the church. People like Us have to go from one extreme to the next to find a middle ground.. and then to find our personal truth within all this. That is living our purpose! And I love that there is so many that I can now commune with that is on that same kind of wavelength. For me it is His Word coming alive in Love in my life.. it's all good man. We are all just trying to figure it out and it's okay😊😊😊

The "story" of your experience was a treasure. I made the journey over time from my young devotion to Jesus to where I am now at 86. Years of occasional studies, including a year at UCSB studying contemporary religions in an MA program, gradually led me to use the Internet to search out scholarly work that continuously validates my firm assurance that my journey has been exactly correct. I thank you for such a beautiful, honest account of your journey.

@Neta4Christ

6 ай бұрын

No Jesus, No Heaven it’s that simple.

@susettemclachlan8765

2 ай бұрын

And for eternity those who reject the salvation Jesus offers will be wishing for just five seconds back on earth to choose Jesus and receive that free gift of eternal life found only through faith in His finished work on Calvary.

@PrimitiveArchery6

Ай бұрын

We are just as little worried of your Hell as you are worried about muslim Hell. ​@@susettemclachlan8765

I’ve been through some tough times in my life too, but my hope, trust and faith in the Lord is still intact. Whatever you do, don’t take your eyes off of Jesus.

@hs.6210

Жыл бұрын

Beautiful to read.... i read all these comments here and it stands out to me that all these people experiences where focused on the input of other humans and orginasations in their world. I think people overcomplicate so much stuff and think they have to work to earn Gods presence and when nothing is there they end up angry and frustrated. Why do all these giants things... why not take some seperate time apart and just be quiet and try to seek God. Non, its like moving countries going church to church when they didnt feel God in the first place. Your works wont bring attention to God. Its your heart.

@lucindareppert9503

Жыл бұрын

Religion can be ugly and pollute the eyes of our heart ❤ we must take the seed of faith given us and trust in what we can't understand. His testimony spoke to me of a start focused in works and progressed to self condemnation. Ship wrecked by a false perception assumption soaked in Religion not personal relationship with Messiah; not the religious hypocrisy you surrounded your life in. The guest seemed to have never had a real encounter with the true and Living God. Mennonite don't have to believe in Any god. To end up worshiping the sun is truly the end of your knowledge sow in the flesh not the Spirit. Religion is the Great falling away from faith in Jesus Yeshua our Salvation. Sorry that you had all the hurtful things in your life.

@hs.6210

Жыл бұрын

@@lucindareppert9503 youre completely right!

@willmind4296

Жыл бұрын

Feelings, feelings…no facts. Be happy you were born in just the right religion 👍🏻 What if you’d be born in Saudi Arabia?! 🤷🏼‍♂️

@kingwillie206

Жыл бұрын

@@willmind4296 - They think the same of you.

I just discovered this channel. Keep up the great work 💯👍

This is sad, hard to watch. There is a great falling away. I am thankful for the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints and the power of God's Word. Praying for Christians struggling for assurance. There are some strange , mistaken, counter-Christian, unbiblical experiences in churches that put people off. Missionaries kids appear to be quite vulnerable. I wonder was it the effects of the emergent church movement ? The Lord helps us work through each of the questions, concerns and objections raised here. Thank you for an interesting conversation, will be keeping both of you in my prayers.

Great interview... life is hard, but being honest with ourselves and each other makes it so much better...dare I say, even wonderful. :)

This was an awesome interview! Very moving at times and subbed to Matt's channel

It was heartbreaking to see you understand so much of Matt's struggle and story, Derek. Just knowing you both had to wrestle with such painful feelings and fears just because of what you believed (or didn't). Then to see the results of your poll, Derek, showing roughly 300 people related to some extent with what Dr Matt has been through. What an awful thing, my heart goes out to you. I feel so incredibly grateful to have been raised by parents who never, ever made me feel that my goodness, worth or value as a person was in any way dependent on what I believed about religious or spiritual questions. I just wish everyone could have been as lucky as I was.

@joandark2

6 күн бұрын

He didn't! He ditched Jesus for his career that's all.

greetings sir ...from Brunei in SE Asia ...im admire your open mindedness ...I think you the only Christian podcast who is willing to let people to talk about their belief outside Christianity ... it is very refreshing to see such a respectful .host .. I know you for sure ...that you might experience haters from this presentation.... but I do hope you keep doing this work of building bridges with muslims and Christians ... may Allah bless you and your family sir .may Allah guide you to straight path.. amin

Takk for at du følger overbevisningen din Matt! Jeg håper at din ikke vil møte for mye motbør på MF! Du er et forbilde!

As the saying goes, “ Denial is not just a river in Egypt.” I enjoyed this and I have also gone through something similar , at least with feeling the pain of detachment .

It's extremely difficult to break tradition and have creative, independent thought. Some take a lifetime to find the intelligence and courage to set themselves free from religious brainwashing. WHAT A CHILD WILL BELIEVE.

@Tara-zq3il

Ай бұрын

You believe in nothing..well done

@mpshields

Ай бұрын

​@@Tara-zq3ilMagic is not an answer for the unknown. You've well illustrated your ignorance. Well done.

@richardwalters9249

Ай бұрын

@@mpshieldsindeed, “Magic” is not an answer for life, consciousness, logic, truth, the cosmos, scientific foundations. Indeed, God is self-evident … not “magic”.

@mpshields

Ай бұрын

​@richardwalters9249 Magic is not self-evident & neither is an invisible silent useless deity. If the disembodied floating ghost sky daddy were self-evident this magic enity would have cured all children of cancer or canceled religious hatred in the Gaza or Ukraine saving thousands of innocent lives or thousands who died of covid AND THAT'S JUST RECENTLY. Sorry, time to grow up. MAGIC & the Diety is just an illusion.

@mpshields

Ай бұрын

​@@richardwalters9249​Magic is not self-evident & neither is an invisible silent useless deity. If the disembodied floating ghost sky daddy were self-evident this magic enity would have cured all children of cancer or canceled religious hatred in the Gaza or Ukraine saving thousands of innocent lives or thousands who died of covid AND THAT'S JUST RECENTLY. Sorry, time to grow up. MAGIC & the Diety is just an illusion.

Derek, & Dr Matt, this is the best video I've watched since I walked away from faith. I really loved the whole story and was almost in tears a couple of times.

Wow! What a journey Dr Monger has been on. As an atheist and amateur biblical scholar I still see the beauty and the intricacies of the ancient texts. It's a journey into the past and it is a window into ancient people's. What they thought. How they viewed the world around them. It's a tapestry that always reveals some new insight. The more one studies the more one discovers. It is thanks to scholars like Dr. Monger that I am able to learn so much more. Thank you both.

@mcgie2002

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts :)

@ChristianSoldier71

Жыл бұрын

Hell is real!!!!! We can not hide our sins from God. Is your heart right with Jesus? Jesus Christ loves you and He died for our sins. Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ will not see the Kingdom of Heaven. ACTS 2:38 “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

@mcgie2002

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristianSoldier71 for crying out loud. Go preach elsewhere

@cassandrahefton1482

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristianSoldier71 Jesus died. The End

@ChristianSoldier71

Жыл бұрын

@@mcgie2002 Jesus loves you and He has a plan and a purpose for your life. Once you die, it will be too late to repent. Put your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior today, we are not guaranteed tomorrow. Have a great weekend!

This was an amazing interview. I think this and the one with Brady Goodwin are the 2 deconversion stories I’ve enjoyed most on MythVision (or anywhere, really) so far. I’ve watched several of Brady’s videos since, and I look forward to Matt’s as well. And Matt’s channel is already over 800 subscribers, too!

@jimkuntzi800

Жыл бұрын

😂. Me

I am truly getting so much from your channel in regard to more in depth look at the origins of mythology and faith/beliefs. You are an asset to our atheist and agnostic communities. Thank you.

I’m so tickled to find your you tube station. I share your experiences. So helpful to hear from others who kept asking why. I will be catching up with your other chats. I find it funny to hear Christian’s commenting negatively. It’s like vegetarians criticizing a story about how to cook a steak.

You both are SO lucky that you had partners that got there before you did, and were patient waiting for you to grab the line back in. Huge congratulations on that!

In the last days many will fall away. 😪

@chirovandenbos2339

Жыл бұрын

Yup, written in the Bible....the last days. Love their selves, own believes, love getting cold etc....satan is busy this last days

@KrystelWarriorThroughJesus

Жыл бұрын

True

@KrystelWarriorThroughJesus

Жыл бұрын

​@@chirovandenbos2339 absolutely

@MsBalanced1

Жыл бұрын

Jesus is Lord!!

@larafungaming3374

Жыл бұрын

Pride has gotten into the hearts of men over their achievements.

Wow; haven't heard anyone mention Y-wam before! My youngest son got involved same way by getting in trouble during high school & wanting to change. He went all in & spent 6 years as a missionary. Although I was relieved he wasn't getting in trouble anymore he had a very pious wall built around himself. He married a girl like him & sadly they are not close to our family because they are so judgemental:(

You have no idea how deeply this resonates with me

Ever since i was young ive had these really vivid daydreams, especially when listening to music. And a few months after i started listening to Jordan Peterson, they became more intense with different imagery, and i get the same experience you do, where my hair stands up and i feel like theres someone in my body better than i am, someone who sees death as a release and life as an opportunity and does what must be done without flinching. It happens at least twice a day, and apparently Carl Jung had these visions too. I feel that religion was written by people, who as their go-to a priori interprative frame, depended on the subconscious mind. Now since weve evolved, without knowing it, we read scripture using rationality as our a priori interprative frame, and its no wonder it doesnt make sense that way. Its like trying to reverse engineer a computer using only a compass and a straightedge, assuming everything can be constructed with only a compass and straightedge. Its like sex; sometimes you want the experience, but dont get it, but it won't happen unless you want it. Its like the two halves of the brain are like two people, and someone is only whole when they are in accordance with each other. Thanks so much for your content, keep up the good work

One of your best interviews. I’m marking this to share

I think I enjoyed this broadcast more than all your others. Good job having this guest and being so validating. You brought out his emotions in a very safe environment. It brought out my emotions and it felt good. Thanks dude.

Praying God’s mighty presence and power love touch your soul and spirit, In Jesus wonderful name. 🙏🏼❤️

👍🏻Yup I just subscribed to his channel and looking forward to listening to his videos.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Dr. Monger most definitely has a marvelous and special purpose and we can all learn so much from him because he has so much to offer. We are all truth seekers and we need Dr. Monger to teach us and show us more truth. Thanks so much Dr. Monger for being here for us…we are so eager to learn!🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 I would love to take some courses with Dr. Monger & Derek.🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 I would love to learn Hebrew and Greek!🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 I’m so grateful that Dr. Monger and his family are back home and safe…they’re gonna make it!🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 BTW I’ve had emotional experiences listening to Metallica, Led ZEPPLIN, and Ozzy Osborne! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This was wonderful and brave. Thank you. You give this old ex-pastor hope.

I imagine that putting everything that you’ve learned about God and the Bible out of your mind must leave you feeling very free. You no longer have to have a sense of guilt over sin or believe that there is something greater than humanity out there. I grew up in a very abusive church and at 13 yrs old was sent to a boys’ home for over a year for listening to contemporary Christian music. I could tell stories for hours that would make you sad and sick. However, I have never abandoned my faith and belief in Jesus Christ and God. I know you don’t believe the Bible but I do and the verses from Mark 8 about a man losing his soul comes to mind. May God have mercy on you and may you repent and turn back to Him. This conversation between the two of you has left me heartbroken.

It was a great interview. That was very interesting to hear.

1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. (Hebrews 12:1-3)

@truthseeker5698

Жыл бұрын

A beautiful and alive writing that points to the one who says “ remain in me.”

@lesliemoore2644

Жыл бұрын

Amen♥️

It is impossible to leave a place where you've never been.

@luisdiegomarin2574

Жыл бұрын

Sooo true!

@herewegokids7

Жыл бұрын

That's incredibly condescending

@evertbooy9157

Жыл бұрын

@@herewegokids7 If you think stating a fact is condescending, you go kid.

@Sci-Fi_Fan296

Жыл бұрын

This is deep. Salute.

@K-nyawPoe735

Жыл бұрын

@@herewegokids7 condescending? Please elaborate

So unfortunate that we allow certain experiences that have been set up by the enemy to completely destroy your faith. The insincere institutions of certain Church's that have other agendas opposite of making a true connection with our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. You have allowed the enemy to win 😢May our Loving Father open your true eyes to see and your heart to heal and hear. You can't intellectualize the eternal secrets of the Creator. . I honor your path of soul searching but to declare certain truths as false isn't wise. This is so sad...Ego n arrogance will always destroy May the Lord help you all❤

@meganruddock7574

Ай бұрын

No one knows all about God, but you can use logic to see errors with human presentations of what god most prob is or isn't like. Arguments like yours are such cop outs. So a blind yes and amen to whatever is presented as fact by people writing things down, a group of men deciding which books to include in the bible and what pastors say? How is that surety?

May the grace of our lord Jesus christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be us all, amen

I loved this, it was incredibly moving.

Whiskey? You should be drinking Aquavit in Norway! This was an interesting episode. Tusen Takk!

A life where I can relate to A God personally, beats my critical thinking, gives me a reality realer than life itself! The Bible pointed me to the reality of God, and I choose it over and over! If you have not felt this tangible reality of that relationship, then your mind will hear and see what it wants. My love for God is not based on what others told me, but the life and Person I have known!

Thank you so much for this Dr Monger. Shame, shame, shame on the church for what they put you and your family through. They put you on a super guilt trip. "God's calling" What a lie. That's the church's MO. Recently, an 80 year old Egyptian man who was raised in the Coptic Church was telling me about when he was a schoolboy. His teacher gave the students a picture with the 12 disciples on it and told the kids if they ever do anything bad that they should put a pin in one of the disciples. He was rude to his sister and used the pin on the "picture" He suffered so much guilt that he didn't go to school for 3 weeks!

Bible College student and missionary and I left Christianity too just recently after 40 yrs. I gave up everything and left my homeland to be a missionary. I got stuck in Australia after I came here to study in a very questionable church. I was left here with $20 in my pocket. Havent seen my home for 20 yrs and I cry nearly every day 😢..it's all devastating to find out the truth 😢

@camilleespinas2898

Жыл бұрын

Look beyond the simple nonsensical stories and look all around you are miracles. Good luck Human

@suzannebehrens9413

Жыл бұрын

When I was younger I had a vision of God holding my hand and a sprinkle of Jesus Christ blood went through my skin into my wrist.God was wearing a heavenly blue color garment.God used the vision to stop me from aborting my son.Hebrews Chapter 12!

@ritawade

Жыл бұрын

It is very scary at first. Painful and it takes courage to leave anything that has been foundational in shaping who we are. I stated leaving in the late nineties and was done by 2004. It hurt to realize I had built my life and trained five children to connect with a life intended to keep us in bondage. All of my children have left the “church”. My birth family rejected me as they realized my beliefs changed. I am happier and freer than ever. Hang in there.

@QabilAGhor

Жыл бұрын

I am curious, which of the six motivated you the most? 1. Pictures of the Cosmos: After all, Jesus as God-incarnate could not possibly have visited billions of inhabited planets, which must exist in our universe, and then died billions of times for the sins of the inhabitants. 2. History Channels series, Ancient Aliens, making a point that gods were just aliens. 3. Jewish and Muslim scholars on KZread, such as Tovia Singer or Shabir Aly providing very convincing arguments against Christianity. 4. International travel, meeting people of other faiths, and seeing that there are other perspectives. 5. Hypocrisy of Christians. 6. Inability to believe in a "judgmental God" and not having fun. I request that you are truly honest with your answer.

@jaromsmiss

Жыл бұрын

@@suzannebehrens9413 JESUS IS THE CHRIST! facts

This guy is telling my YWAM experience in Mexico also. I feel horrible for going but it opened my eyes to another country’s culture and language differences and how beautiful it was. Best lesson I learned.

@wesmahan4757

Жыл бұрын

I went to Europe (trying to convert Austrian Catholics) with OPERATION MOBILISATION, feel the same as you, especially about learning to love other cultures. We had a lot of Norwegians and Swedes and Finns on the OM teams.

@thelyrebird1310

Жыл бұрын

I went through my DTS in Perth Australia and outreach to Indonesia. What a wake up, met the fraudster Loren as well.

@Achill101

Жыл бұрын

Could you share something you learned about the other culture and its beauty?

@denisep9497

Жыл бұрын

@@Achill101 Of course! I met a bunch of families who had their priorities right. Loving, close knit, and extremely welcoming in spite of us intruding on their land. I love languages, and so I brushed up- they were so patient with me! Coming from a school full of ungrateful rich kids, it was a breath of fresh air!

@Achill101

Жыл бұрын

@@denisep9497 - thanks.

My wife just turned on U-Tube and you came on. just ten minutes before she received a nasty phone call from the LDS church she left because she received harassment for wearing pants...the pandemic and refusal of many christ-followers not to wear masks was the beginning of her doubt in this religion. Thank you so much for your story and may you be blessed by the God of 1000 Breasts.

Giving the alternate view (the truth) is your work now. So glad I happened upon this. Religious trauma is no fun. I've known for a long time there was more to know in academia that NEVER filters down to the general population.

Great episode Matthew and Derek. Welcome to scandinavia even though you been here for 10 years. Would be interesting to know Matthews view about the difference of us christianity and norwegian christianity.

You know, after listening to more than one interview like this on your channel, it would appear that the real deconstruction is them coming to a realization that they weren't sincere from the beginning, and were somehow duped and coerced into conforming to beliefs and practices that they never personally experienced - in other words, faced the reality that they were pretending the whole time.

@MsJayski

Жыл бұрын

Very astute on your part. Thank you

@sbrose3776

Жыл бұрын

Judge not.

@Matt-zp1jn

Жыл бұрын

He learned the bible, took theology, went on mission trips, says he sincerely believed in God, yet I heard practically nothing over his whole story about his prayer life, working thru the Holy Spirit, and his RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ. Where did his passion, joy, desire to die to self daily, live for Christ & serve others go? Where is his talk of what the Gospel meant to him, his ongoing repentance stories from year to year etc, the sacrifice of the Lord for him & his family, salvation, and growing sanctification, faith, trust, and PERSONAL Relationship with his Lord & Saviour? Seems like he gave up his lukewarm Personal Relationship With Jesus, lost the trust and what dogmatic faith he had. Not much experience with an active living faith with Jesus it looks like unfortunately..

@KennethGangte

Жыл бұрын

​@@_Berserker__ my non-Christian friends risk their life to save others. They work in war torn regions. They donate their hard earned money for charity. So many good things can be done without Christ. True Christianity is about self and personal relationship with God. You don't have to show others, you don't have to prove to others. That guy's zeal most probably was from his own ego

@Iyes_jasmine

Жыл бұрын

@@Matt-zp1jn you hit the nail on the head

I don't know which Bible he was reading as backwards. I used to be an agnostic for 9 years. Found the Truth in Jesus Christ in 2002. The way Jesus Christ revealed to me was nothing short of a miracle. I held on tight to my Faith when articles like this occurs because it's a devil thing trying to remove you from your faith In Jesus. His lies doesn't affect Jesus Christ at all, but rather it affects him and his family. Salvation is found in Jesus Christ alone.

Even though I'm not a biblical scholar and I didn't go to theology school, I can totally relate to some of these guys experiences. Thank you for posting

Thank you *so much* for this. As is true for many other commenters here, I relate deeply to Dr. Monger's journey. I spent several years working in full time missions in a sort of one-on-one internship type setup while earning ministerial credentials within the world's largest Pentecostal denomination. I was one college class short of earning those credentials when I walked away from it all. I strongly related to the "growing up evangelical" aspects of this interview. I attended a church camp just like the one seen in that "Jesus Camp" documentary, and vividly remember the pressure of being the last kid in the room who hadn't yet been "filled with the Spirit" (ie spoken in tongues). So much of what Dr. Monger said is reflected in my own experiences. I also relate to how difficult it was for him to walk away from his faith, to finally admit to himself (and others), "I don't believe in this stuff anymore." Mad respect to Dr. Monger for taking that journey, for following the evidence wherever it led, and for eventually finding the courage to admit the truth not only to himself but to everyone else as well. I know it's not been easy, but so many people need to hear what he has to say. His PhD was absolutely not in vain. I, for one, eagerly look forward to hearing him share his knowledge, and have already subscribed to his YT channel. Thank you, Matt, for sharing so freely the knowledge you've worked and suffered and persevered in order to gain. Know that none of it was in vain, because if anything, you have an even bigger, more important job to do now (for as long as you choose to do it, of course). This job may prove itself even more difficult, and will certainly cause more than its fair share of backlash. I'm glad you've found a community of others who have been on similar journeys to support you. I look forward to seeing what comes next!

Such a great range of scholars that most of us would never encounter ❤

@omarlittle-hales8237

Жыл бұрын

Salam, Shalom, Peace. The Torah [Old Testament] Revealed In Aramaic. The Gospel [New Testament] Revealed In Aramaic. The Quran [Last Testament] Revealed In Arabic. Hebrew Is 1,500 Years Old, The Script Is Borrowed From Aramaic, Made Into Squarer Shapes.

There were many that saw miracles with their own eyes that did not believe. Nothing new under the sun.

I now embrace the taboo and say out loud: I no longer believe.

"We were doing it for us not for them" absolutely.

Coming to an honest decision about any existence about the Christian deity, or any other deity, is not an insignificant lifetime event. Like any other life changing event, we must avoid the urge to become a "born-again" non-believer and embark on a great non-believer evangelistic campaign. We must remember how irritating and offensive all of the god-believers were in our past. First seek your own peace on your new status and then your interaction with believers can be on a more truthful basis. I wish you well.

So the good dr never had a born again experience. I thank God for mine 40 years ago. The peace & joy I have had saved me lot's of trouble. I could never say I did not have it. Although I hated anyone who talked about God and did not know what a Bible was, after I woke up & looked at a Bible I saw it was all right there. Thank you God my father & your son Jesus my savior !

@lanaandden

Жыл бұрын

And he was full of grudges, he never focus on God's goodness and with that mindset, it's not wonder he ended up like that.

@adrianaruiz3725

Жыл бұрын

One thing is believing in god and another thing is being Christian. You don’t need any religion to reach god.

@Patriot11111

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianaruiz3725 I mentioned neither - "Christian" nor "religion"

And I rented a room in my house to a Christian couple who didn't pay rent and they still had the audacity to preach to me. It cost me thousands of dollars to evict them. I like listening to a former Catholic Priest Alan Watts lectures - On Being God. And - What is Reality? And - They Made it All Up!

wow. at first i'm thinking this is a pretty long time to spend on yet another deconversion story ... but every second was entertaining, and real, and insightful. really great episode

Derek, I am continually blown away by the work you're doing, it is so important and I think you're finding the perfect balance of empathy and intellect that is sorely needed right now. Much love to you, your family and the Mythvision community.

@MythVisionPodcast

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Thank you for the superthanks and wonderful compliment my friend!

@SteveSmith-kd9if

Жыл бұрын

​@@MythVisionPodcast THE DRAGON WROTE THE BOOK AND EVERYTHING ELSE TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@markantrobus8782

Жыл бұрын

Please see Secrets of the Exodus where Moses is from Akheneton and Abraham is complete fiction.

@FirstnameLastname-ty1qd

Жыл бұрын

​@MythVision Podcast Derek can you do an episode on the "oldest bible" from Ethiopia? I would love to see a scholar unpack that

@beingthesalt

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 What a joke

As a former preacher's daughter who has gone thru the deconstruction process myself, I can certainly relate. When we heard the word atheist, we'd all gasp, and now people are gasping at me. I know the truth in my heart and finding the truth was so freeing to say the least. It's so good to hear others who've gone thru the same thing and still do. I could never speak in tongues, and I vividly remember a woman telling me to just start making noises. I knew in that very moment she was wrong, but others told me to do the same as she said, so after much research in my older years, I now know man just wrote the Bible, a lot like your wife Derek. I do believe in a creator, but Im not stuck in religious dogma. Im more spiritual now..I just believe we should do the best we can and truly love one another. LOVE is the answer.. Great interview and subscribed to Dr. Matt Mongers channel, and I've been subscribed to Derek @ MythVision for a while now. 👏 👏 👏 edit: Holy moly...You mentioned Gilgamesh, and once you read the Epic Tale of Gilgamesh, it will certainly mess with your mind in the right kind of way. It has the flood story, etc.. A must-read, though. Again, 👏. 👏 👏 to you both.

@warrior4christ578

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Man did not write the bible, you were clearly around false Christians who were mislead from TRUTH. Your reason for not being a christians is based off emotion and opinions with absolute not concrete data to back up your claim. FIND JESUS again and watch your life change for the better, don't follow men in the pulpit, but the BIBLE which is the breath and WORD of GOD.

@Donna-vh5ym

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@Warrior 4CHRIST // if you're addressing me...Tell me what your concrete evidence is?

What is the name of the song played at the end of this video?

We want more Monger! When do we want it? Now! 👏👏👏👏👏

I was raised in the Unitarian Universalist church, but when I was very young we were going to a Methodist church. Listening to Matt story I could not help thinking of the Buddhist short and long journey to "?" enlightenment. I don't remember the incident, but I do remember my mother bragging about it: When I was five a neighbor girl who was six said to me, "Jesus won't like you if you do that." and my response was, "Jesus is dead." But, on the yang side of things I am envious of Matt's mastery of language. The language processing center in my brain doesn't work too good (it helps me cut through bull**** better than most) but I would rather be able to remember names, spell, or speak clearly on the fly.

@briobarb8525

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After a long journey of deliverance myself from all the different religions I studied and tried...after being freed from an ubringing in Mormonism...I am now 68 and happy with my decisions to exit fundamental Christianity of manyvflavors. I eventually stumbled up Unitarian Universalism and REALLY enjoy it's approach to SPIRITUALITY w/o RELIGION!!!

Hi Derek , Dr. Matt. I have to reply re the confusion that Christians experience, Scholars perceive, Atheists pray to, Agnostics find solace in, etc. I have had a somewhat applicable upbringing, and around age 12-13, I attended different Churches by the spirit/grace that affected the citizenry of our remote town where I stayed at the time for about 5 years. (Greykingstad - a town of about 500 souls in Eastern Transvaal, Gauteng South Africa. I can relate to quite a number of Academi, Scholars, Atheists, et al. I attended 2 Protestant Chruches and about 13 other Church Denominations in towns 60 - 120 KM away, accompanying those in town that attended Methodist, Roman Catholic, etc. Churches. I had a similar view eventually, as constant reading up to 26 books in 3 days, seemed to keep me occupied. Fast forward to a Policing career and attending Insurgence - Border (South Africa War) in Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, and South West Africa (Namibia) with similar stints in or on the borders between South Africa and neighbours. Whilst preparing our "refreshment course" before we attend border duties and insurgence activities, we were devotedly (as a Christian Society and Protestant ingrained Society) attended by a round table variety of Christion denomination Pastors, Priests and Ministers. This is a given in South Africa. Well, whilst attending this "seeing off service" as the death rate on or while attending Border services, was prodigious and constant. This Minister gave a heart felt service and after, I had a few words and questions, that plagued me since age 9-10 when I stated researching life, purpose, pain - a poor Railway man father that attended Home 2 afternoons a month, yea, difficult to say the least. My Mom was disabled and believe me when I say that, I find that the saying, Been there, Has the T-Shirt or rather have a whole boutique, is my motto. Well, This Minister answered me honestly, and definitely NOT according to the rules, dogma and rhetoric of the NG Church - the biggest denomination of the Protestant Church in South Africa. In this answer, I found the truth, and since then, I tried to articulate it in a systematic and constructive manner. I had to do the Scholarly and Scientific way, and that took over 40 years. Yes not a Typo error. The answer that you seek, is simple, straight, and stupid in its simplicity. (I call it the Shakespearian Religare experience). This requires one, to start with the end as the Proposition - Supposition and work backwards to Ancien Historical and Scientifical evidence, ie the Forensic way, as I am an expert at the said. More than 30 courses and professional training disciplines later. My credentials, is not the issue. The real issue is what, why, where, when, who, how. This leads to a profound emotional experience with GOD. Which is the reason why I believe why Dr Ehrman, yourselves, et al. lost your way. The point of inception will be simplistic, that the "Compilation called the Bible, and the Torah as a inception of a Nationalistic conceptualizing for the Semite left over societies, is a study of Ancient Texts, Truths, Cuneiforms historical infomatics, Epics, Zoroarism, etc. that constructively, were used with Pagan tradition, believes,and Kaballah to create Judaism Supremacy and an establishment. True that that appears to be arrogant - remember what the Nazi view was about it and the error in ways that occurred as a result. Not being a Scholar would have you out and out believe a Genocide - Holocaust, whilst the truth is a bit stranger than that. This starts therefore with Gen 1. AND THE GODS CREATED - and the twisting that set off a twisted narrative occurs with God created. Following the narrative, were the Lie of the Bible. A honest attempt to create a believe system, but due to an error at Inception, twisted the whole Original Authoritative Truth, to a story of fiction, a more reliable Myth - story that the truths can't be validated and verified, AND this is a MAJOR error. As this is falsified. The truth is out there -and in casu you think its a Trekky saying, where do you think those outlandish and way out ideas originate? = Truths. This is my 1c. As the answer is way more detailed and complex than a few pages. CJ

Nothing to surprised as we have seen hard core atheist coming back to accept Jesus and what Dr Matt went through bad is nothing compared to some missionaries but still hold on to their faith until the last breath...

I can echo much of what Dr. Monger shared. I have suffered from severe depression for over a decade, and all the while I strived to follow the Christian god. I went on missions trips, I was pressured to speak in tongues at a bible camp, served in the church each week, the whole nine. I studied and earned an undergrad in Theological studies, and during my entire life I was looking for evidence for the text I believed in. I expected there to be evidence for miraculous events because I believed the bible to be documenting historical events. All the while, other Christians would tell me to stop looking for evidence, that I was doubting God, or they knew more than I did at the time and were worried my faith with die out. There came a low moment when I looked at the night sky wondering why God wasn’t responding to my search for him in any way, until the question came to my mind, “what if there’s simply no one listening? What if there’s no one there to listen?” I was scared of those thoughts, but I couldn’t shake them off. It took me until my junior year in university and a trip to Israel before I reached a breaking point. I spent nearly a month traveling the Levant, exploring ancient sites, and “seeing the bible come alive.” My depression was at the worst it had ever been. I constantly felt a sickening void inside of me the entire time. Every night I contemplated ending things. There came a moment of prayer with our group of 40, and the group prayed for my depression as we had just spoken about Psalm 42, a passage I had felt as though I was living through for years. The more charismatic folks said they could feel the holy spirit in that moment, and many of them approved that. I, however, felt nothing at all. Weeks later, as our trip came to an end, I realized I was an atheist. The evidence was lacking, the origins of hell were foreign to Judaism, the satan and Satan simply did not exist in Judaism. It all hit me like a truck on the sunset bus ride to the airport. I resolved to finish my senior year, graduated, and have done my best to not look back at the hell that was christianity. I’m medicated now, with a well doing job, and I have not felt healthier and happier in god knows how long (pun not intended). Hearing your stories Darek, Dr. Kipp, Dr. Monger, and Dr. Josh, has all helped me feel a sense of community in this journey. Thank you always for your work and sharing your stories with us.

@cygnusustus

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Congratulations on escaping your bondage.

@lindamckeown3198

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Thank you for sharing this bc I suffer too...I can really feel each word and read between the lines. Im so relieved that you got out and have some balance, security and a little happiness; that is priceless. I never knew Judaism doesnt have satan! Ive been studying..even reverted to Islam too but I concluded that all Abrahamic faiths are questionable. I wont say more or I'll ne in trouble 😅

@Shari.N

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Thank you for sharing this. I am no scholar, but I studied for years and was active in my evangelical church. I did what I was 'supposed' to do: full immersion baptism, Bible studies, etc. I kept praying and praying to feel the peace that is supposed to come from having Jesus in my heart, but I only felt despondent and wept constantly. I was convinced I was put here by God as an example of what NOT to do. I envisioned angels crying and devils laughing. I went on medications for depression (still on them), and while that helped, I still felt alone and sad. There must be something in my heart that's preventing me from truly knowing God. I'm at fault. I'm not sincere enough in my faith... I'm still questioning and part of me is convinced I'm going to Hell, forever tortured. I'm grateful for this channel and will continue to seek guidance. I'm grateful to hear these stories. Thank you for sharing.

@DJ5780

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What a wonderful story, I wish I could bookmark it.

@svenshanah

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All that, and missed the telos the entire time. Sought knowledge never finding wisdom, and lacked The Spirit because it rejected you. I'm familiar with the rebuttals. So just imagine that you already gave them.

I almost forgot to breath listening his experience! Also in tears in some parts of experience ! So proud of both of them taking their power back !

@Jacob-uy8kg

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You try to keep your life you lose it... when you don't love your own life until death you are granted true life everlasting.... plus the peace God gives thru His Holy spirit and Word is amazing!!! Grace to you...

@owersmenblortsmon4731

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Does my ham sandwich "take it's power back?" No. All it's "power" is in the mind & strength of it's creator - me. It's the same with God and us. You have a lot to learn. YOU DO NOT BELONG TO YOURSELF: “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.” - 1 Cor 6:20

@ToxicGamer86454

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You can’t forget to breath. It’s literally an involuntary movement

@twnb7733

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I was called to share the Gospel with Muslims in Paris. The Muslims who accepted to pray with me, all saw the Christ, had visions…. The whole humanity is hopeless… without Christ for you are falling away. You don’t want to sacrifice yourself…..

@Suzume-Shimmer

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​@@ToxicGamer86454 Actually intense anxiety, fear, or awe can at times suspend the breathing mechanism. If it happens long enough , a few minutes, the person simply passes out and the breathing rhythm is restored.

Really great conversation. Thank you for sharing your story Matthew Monger. Just subscribed to your channel. : D

I came across your channel and I watched this whole episode and I am also pondering and reflecting if I will leave Christianity or not.