🎉🎉🎉 Thanks for having me on Derek. If you’re reading this as a Christian content creator and disagree with me, have me on, I’m up for a friendly discussion.

@sparkuri

9 ай бұрын

Excellent invitation. I'll subscribe for that. There shouldn't be 2000 years of non-harmony & endless denominations among the same religion.

@DeepDrinks

9 ай бұрын

@@sparkuri Thanks for the sub, I will remember you if I see you in the live stream chats :)

@pragmaticcrystal

9 ай бұрын

@@sparkuri 🫶

@markjessop8094

9 ай бұрын

..... . . . .

@kariannecrysler640

9 ай бұрын

I enjoyed seeing you as the interviewed for once lol✌️💗

My mother TORMENTED and abused me with end times theology my entire life (until I went no contact after age 34, and her telling me I shouldn't have had children because "woe to those who are pregnant and nursing in the end times"). This is both SO validating and INFURIATING.

@kiko8u

8 ай бұрын

Omg.

@DeepDrinks

8 ай бұрын

I AM SO SORRY you had to go through that.

@Peekaboo-Kitty

8 ай бұрын

I can totally relate to that. My mother called me "Lucifer" and said I was going to HELL all the time, even though I sacrificed everything to take care of her in her old age. She hated me and blamed me for her miserable life which she had chosen for herself. Some people need to denigrate others in order to make them feel better about themselves.

@rurururu3744

8 ай бұрын

Ur mom miss read the bible..

@markuse3472

8 ай бұрын

You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZread on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose).

I can relate very much the same. I struggled, then sincerely went into deep prayer and asked what I can do to fix the struggle and feel the Spirit again. To my surprise, the still small voice pressed on me saying “it’s time to walk away from the Church and discover new”. I was shocked. I didn’t expect that answer. I made a compromise, “If I do this, I trust that is God wants me to come back, then God will lead me back”. What I discovered is the topics here, Myths and the common thread of that ties all traditional spiritual traditions. It’s a lonely walk sometimes, because it hard to walk away from the social comfort of all my Church family, but it’s still a meaningful spiritual life.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

I’ve listened to a couple of your interviews now… though my journey of questioning led me deeper into the faith, hearing these stories is helping me better understand how I can come alongside and minister to folks who are not blindly following another person’s faith but are wrestling to make it their own. It really reinforces my conviction that a little bit of friction is a good thing…

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Ай бұрын

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

I’m so amazed by how some people were so intellectual about de-converting. Mine was a more emotionally based de-conversion. Mostly, I got tired of feeling guilty and depressed all the time.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@NoSenatorson

7 ай бұрын

Let us reword your statements slightly to aid in understanding how they sound to everyone else. “All humans need to believe in Thor as their Rain God. Why? Because all humans have sinned (farted, overslept, drove to fast, ate fatty foods etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of Odin) and choose Valhalla today. Thor defeated death by rising from the dead. Odin is Holy.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

@NoSenatorson

7 ай бұрын

Ok. Which God are we talking about here? So many deities and so little time. All of them have their special sins we have to keep up with. For most it gets confusing. Did you decide to go ahead with Thor? You didn’t say.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

@@NoSenatorson I said Jesus as God Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want.

As a teenage girl, caught up in the "Born again" Christian movement (early '70s), everything regarding women in the Bible was cruel and unjust. That's what turned me off, and I went the complete opposite direction, Feminism and atheism.

@eponaalbion

8 ай бұрын

So you went from one PsyOp to another one :O

@GodlessCommie

8 ай бұрын

congrats on choosing freedom and human rights over authoritarianism

@dirtypickle77

8 ай бұрын

​@@ring-tone278thanks for the threats. Fear is the foundation of Christianity. Next layer is guilt you sinner. You better figure out what version of scripture is correct or your gonna burn baby. Dont even listen to my first born the jews cause i tricked them to. What a mess we got ourselves into lol. I dont need no preaching. I studied my way clear of Christian dogma when I studied the OT in Hebrew/Aramaic. Which destroys Christianity by the way if your honest and can shake your indoctrination.

@daneumurian5466

8 ай бұрын

The Intervarsity Press Bible Commentary points that Matthew chapter one highlights the fact that three of Jesus's ancestors were unconventional, assertive women who didn't fit in with "polite" society.

@njhoepner

8 ай бұрын

@@eponaalbion There's a problem with women having rights?

The main reason I left Christianity is because I discovered it didn't comport with reality

@DeepDrinks

9 ай бұрын

YES!

@danielblair4413

9 ай бұрын

How does Christianity NOT comport with reality? I've been a Christain for over thirty years and I have yet to see how it does NOT comport with reality. Perhaps you were never a true born again Christain that actually has a relationship with God to see that Christianity does in fact comport with reality.

@heatwave7595

9 ай бұрын

​@@danielblair4413 we are still waiting for your savory savior, he's been late by two millenia :)

@danielblair4413

9 ай бұрын

@@heatwave7595 says: *we are still waiting for your savory savior, he's been late by two millenia :)* Have you seen how the world is lately? It's matching exactly how the bible said it would be when the end times are to come. We are in the end times and the rapture of the Church will very likely happen within this year or next year due to the events in the world clearly leading to it.

@camrich286

9 ай бұрын

​@danielblair4413 I think I've been alive for too long. every year I hear this. "See what's happening in the world? the end is near!" wouldn't it have been more likely in 1939 than today?

I tried my best to be a born-again Christian, I really did, but the answers kept bringing on more questions. My break from organized religion didn't happen overnight, and I don't exactly remember a specific point when it happened, but it occurred to me that to be a Christian, you had to follow Paul; for any given sermon, the reading would most likely be from an epistle, rather than the gospel. Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 1:17 that he was there to preach the gospel, yet the epistles are full of his opinions (interpretations, perhaps). Romans 1:32 is a good example, and rather disturbing. This is the same God who loves everyone? Sure, everyone who thinks the same way, and does the same things. It's almost like getting mugged: do what God tells you, and nobody gets hurt. I'm glad I came to my senses...

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

@3rdand105

2 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You just proved my point. Thank you for that.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Ай бұрын

@@3rdand105 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

@Dovahkiin0117

18 күн бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363we’d be closer to heaven on earth if there was no religions

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

9 күн бұрын

@@Dovahkiin0117 Nah humans are wicked and need rules, whenthere are no rules thebiggest crimes are common sorules hold people back and turn you to Jrsus

I too was raised in a full gospel church and spent some time in the ministry. I now call myself agnostic. I find your story extremely interesting. I also find Bart Ehrman just as interesting. Some of the things I had trouble with as a Christian were the virgin birth (I can only imagine how many girls found themselves pregnant and claimed to be impregnated by the holy spirit), the resurrection of Christ, the two creation stories for man, and the whole timeline regarding the age of the earth (science says the earth was created 4.5 billion years ago). Also there are so many ancient religions that existed long before the time of Christ which are so similar to the Christian faith it makes the Christian faith seem like a huge "hodgepodge" of these other ancient faiths. These are just a few of the things that bothered me about Christianity.

@Gear_Banger

7 ай бұрын

God created Adam who was a grown man yet only 1 day old on the seventh day so he had “built in” age. So isn’t it possible for God to create the earth with “built in” age and “human science” dating it to millions or billions of years..

@denismkprince

6 ай бұрын

@@Gear_Banger good reasoning

I've had all these questions since I was a kid. That's when I surmised that the adults at my church were not not reading the WHOLE bible. I started paying attention to our sunday school lessons and realized that we came back the same lessons every 2 years. I knew I would not have or find permission to deconstruct my faith or anyones BUT I am 63 years old and I have given myself permission to dive into a deconstructed faith with a realization that if there a God and creator of this material universe there is no way that God is as religious as we want to believe.

@Ms.Mimi.Speaks

8 ай бұрын

Our Creator is not religious! But what everyone misses because Christianity is monotheistic is that there is only One God! But, if you read the Bible, you find out there were many gods, and they were as accurate as Yahuwah! These were known as The Elohim!" which means Sons of God in English. Well, in Deut. 32:8-9 it says that "The Most High God," "El Elyon" in Hebrew, gave his "Elohim" an inheritance, and each got a Nation. And Yahuwah got Israel! El Elyon is not Yahuwah. That's the problem with Christianity! It comes from Catholicism, which comes from The Romans, who were enemies of The Hebrews!

@hueym2196

8 ай бұрын

Had also problems when I was a kid. I was surprised that people didn't see there were contradictions. However those contradictions need to be there for symbolism. Another aspect they keep the childrens bible to adulthood. So selcetive never reading an entire chapter the way it is meant to be.

@Trip_Fontaine

8 ай бұрын

At a recent atheist convention they did a poll of ex-Christians asking why they become atheist. The most common response was "I read the Bible in its entirety."

@Trip_Fontaine

8 ай бұрын

@@sepulvedablvd7846 Deuteronomy 13 : 6 - 11 is pretty shocking too. It says you should kill your own family members if they entice you to worship other gods. It even describes the proper way that killing should be done.

@Matira269

8 ай бұрын

@@Trip_Fontaine True, this is why Bible study in church is so superficial, and your typical Christian literature bookstore only offers a lot of fluff. The guided tour of ths Bible offered in church is made to keep you in church. A bold and honest study of the Bible makes you leave the faith.

@DeepDrinks I love hearing you speak. All of the scriptures you mentioned are the ones that lead to my deconstruction along with this one ... “'The older will serve the younger.' Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" (Romans 9:11-18)

@DeepDrinks

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Mate

@mnm8818

3 ай бұрын

to add: yeah Issac one time use birth right spell (no refund or exchanges) yet Esau is the true heir of Israel, stolen by a deceiving person, that I guess God didn't care who or by what means got the blessing spell- that Issac had command of... clearly God is laughing while watching that story unfold (though he hasn't got omniscience in early OT yet)

I live near David 🙌 however, in 2000 I came to Sydney to study with a huge church, which was up to no good and Ive been stuck here since! Havent seen my homeland 🍀since 2003 😢. I can tell by David's voice how he would have been as a pastor. So glad he's deconstructing. The church here makes my stomach turn!

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

I was born and raised a mainline Protestant...became an Evangelical at the age of 29...stuck with it for 26 years...I remember all the excuses, all the twists and turns and tapdancing used to get around the clear and obvious contradictions, errors, and plot holes...I believed them not because they were truly sensible but because I really wanted to believe them. I think that is the power of living in a bubble, being embedded in a community one does not want to lose. Until I finally decided to step outside the bubble and look at my own religion with the same critical eye I would use on any other religion, I just could not see the problems clearly.

@theboombody

8 ай бұрын

Understandable. But it's not like popular secularism is immune from such problems as well. It just has less of them. The big thing for secularists is they all feel that truth is important and continuance of the species is important. But there's no reason those can't just be arbitrary preferences. And if they are arbitrary preferences, then there's no reason to be upset about someone spreading lies and fairy tales and lowering our future chances for collective survival other than you'd prefer they not do so. But there's really nothing set in stone saying one whacko's opinion is inherently less important than the opinion of hundreds of thousands of reasonable men. No law of nature declaring it. It's not like conservation of energy.

@Expedient_Mensch

8 ай бұрын

@@theboombody " they all feel that "... Really? 'they' are all the same? Not even Christians, Jews or Muslims can agree on one doctrine for their respective faiths, not even that they are fundamentally variations of the same thing. How can you justifiably state that "they all" anything? Unless of course that's what you have been told, and you either have not, or can not think beyond that.

@njhoepner

8 ай бұрын

@@theboombody Any "-ism" will have gaps and will have faulty people following it. That is a trigger to examine things, but it is not the examination itself. Since one must start from an axiom somewhere, I think "survival is better than not-survival" is a fair place to start. I don't think you'll find any coherent set of beliefs that starts from "the goal is to not survive." So I'll start from there...of course one can "but why" anything, but only for the purpose of being contrary. From there, it follows that truth is better than falsehood, since truth improves not only the chances of survival but the quality of it, for a host of reasons. From there, it follows that one should defend truth and oppose attempts to replace it with falsehoods. Personally, I have no problem with people who want to believe anything they like, so long as they don't then use those beliefs to harm others. However, I also think that if someone wants to put their beliefs out in public, they should be prepared for those beliefs to be challenged. If they don't want their beliefs challenged, they should not put them into the public space.

@hueym2196

8 ай бұрын

I never was a believer. I didn't find Jesus bad and with anthropology I allow it. Just like Buddhism used as a philosophy not a religion. The torah might be good however but that needs so much knowledge of initiation due the demystification to make it bit good. The chosen people are israelites or the intiated. Israel is the trinity of the Torah. Yet some people believe the chosen people are chosen by a literal skydaddy.

@njhoepner

8 ай бұрын

@@hueym2196 Perhaps. I eventually came to the conclusion that a philosophy that needs so much re-interpreting and editing and deleting probably isn't worth having. There are better ones that don't require all those gyrations.

I was told that I was "overthinking" doctrine issues all the time. It seemed that any amount of thinking was "overthinking". Bible studies at the church I used to go to were like English comprehension exercises for six-year-olds at infant school, even though everyone present was an adult.

@bonekolekta

8 ай бұрын

Hilarious 😂

@kingchrist3167

8 ай бұрын

JESUS IS REAL ,MOVE and TALK in me , HE SO SWEET

@briancarton1804

8 ай бұрын

@@kingchrist3167 Why does Jesus play favourites? I prayed diligently for years and nothing. Came to the conclusion it's all fake , no heaven , no hell and no afterlife. When you're dead you're dead plain and simple.

@kingchrist3167

8 ай бұрын

@@briancarton1804 I cant die , because JESUS ! HE REAL in me , move and talk You are only deceiving yourself, death is the problem that humans must solve HELL forever ...NO WAY ,!

@briancarton1804

8 ай бұрын

@@kingchrist3167 Where is your proof? Do you think I am goings to hell and if so why?

I am a Christian minister and I don't try to square these passages. But I also don't hold scripture to be inerrant. I teach my congregation that all of scripture was written by humans, who, just like us, were trying to understand their relationship to the divine. I am also a queer pastor, so I clearly don't buy that homosexuality is sinful in the way that many "Christians" attempt to frame queerness. The points you raised are excellent and worthy of many discussions. There are many things in scripture, both Hebrew Bible and New Testament, that should challenge us to rethink how we understand the biblical text as a whole. I have chosen not to throw out my faith or the Bible, but instead, teach it from a very progressive stance - asking lots of questions of the text, pushing back against the text, putting the text in context, helping my congregation read the text from a variety of perspectives. We can even challenge the concept of a hell, what the cross actually means, and whether resurrection from the dead was the point. There are lots of ways of engaging with the text and making meaning. And I also draw from a multiplicity of other religious traditions, especially Buddhism, for my own practice because the creator that I serve loves diversity of thought. Thank you always for wonderful programs.

@jmc8076

16 күн бұрын

Hard to square mysoginy and encouragement of rape.

My name is Bob, I am 79 years old and been a deacon for over 35 years. I can only say WOW! This is tremendous. I surmise we are both from a Pentecostal back ground and I also studied Preterism. Currently I am studing all of the old origins ... Mesopotamian, Babylonian, Sumerian and everything else I can feed on. You two are so right in your conclusions. I was kicked out of the church I was part of ... not going there. So I find myself treasure hunting. Lost my wife 4 years ago and she was seeing this but could not leave her belief in Jesus. Not saying I don't believe in The man Christ Jesus yet I do not believe the Bible is infalable. Said all that to say this. You are doing a tremendous service for people like myself and bringing many answers that people refuse to talk about. Thank you, Thank you.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@user-yh1co3gc4h

Ай бұрын

If you're proved wrong in the end (sure it will happen) and you realize the truth and you don't get a chance to be saved then.... . There is no savior in hell. It's your eternity and don't let your emotions and thinking of your limited mind make you foolish decision.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Ай бұрын

@@user-yh1co3gc4h I have had both Heaven and Hell experiences I can go on for a long time so here is the short form. Hell: I was taken there and saw one skeleton in the left and many skeletons on the right facing this one skeleton, they were there for idolatry and fornication, and the background can only be described aa destruction. 2ndly I saw a girl on earth on the same bed as a guy and she kissed him on the cheek (implying a unlawful sexual relationship), the girl died and went to hell and fire consumed her entire bod but there was some skin left over , I remember thinking “at least she has some skin drooping from her face” and then more fire came and consumed her skin Heaven: I was taken on an helicopter ride and I was observing building and I was saying wow, wow on repeat. Another time I was near a big building and there was a radio singing worship songs to Jesus (it sounded so good). Once the Holy Spirit told me “do you want me to take you to Heaven” I answered “No” then He said “Just know we are preparing a banquet” Jesus is awesome, do not miss out om being with Him forever.

The fundamentalists will tell you that when Jesus said,"This generation," he meant the generation that sees all the signs spoken of in that same chapter, i.e, the generation we live in now.They have ready made answers to every contradiction, no matter how stupid it is.But they are obviously good enough "answers" for the choir they preach to-who see what they want to see and disregard the rest.

@ancientflames

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. No amount of truth will convince any of them. It’s a personal truth journey.

@erikhaynes5506

9 ай бұрын

I've heard that one too but then the text should read "that generation" not "this generation".

@dereknoto6555

9 ай бұрын

@@peterjack2323 Take your antipsychotics

@reinercelsus8299

9 ай бұрын

@@peterjack2323 Oh, man. A Generation is 7000 years? A generation of what? Humans? No. Gods? No. How was a "generation" ever related to a "cycle of mankind"? That's just made-up and unsubstantiated fiction nonsense of unknown origin, you know. A generation has never meant 7000 years anywhere. So who would even claim that? A comedian?

@holy-nonsence7007

9 ай бұрын

@@erikhaynes5506Exactly!

So simple, basic critical thinking on the bible will reveal the contradictions, the archeological and historical inaccuracies, and the logical fallacies.

@kevinaviles30

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, it really is not simple. Great minds all throughout history and currently have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true. How can you reconcile that?

@dickmartn

9 ай бұрын

The Bible is the history book of the group we can't mention on YT...You know, that protected class.

@ancientflames

9 ай бұрын

@@kevinaviles30you are walking really confidently into a fallacy lol.

@dereknoto6555

9 ай бұрын

@@kevinaviles30 Childhood Indoctrination. Social pressures. Lack of information. Next question.

@reinercelsus8299

9 ай бұрын

​@@kevinaviles30 Great minds all throughout history and currently have come to the conclusion that Christianity is NOT true. How can you reconcile that?

David, I feel you! Derek you too. This video reminds me and is analogous to Mark Smith’s book “Broken Promises”. I think Mark was a pastor or church leader and saw all the eschatology discrepancies and outlined them in more than an orderly and detailed way in his book. It is very evident to me that both you guys are adhering to Jesus’s main law of loving others! I do believe that is “The Way” Good luck to you both! Joel

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

Professing Christian here 🙋🏾‍♀️. I’m glad this came thru my suggestions because oddly enough I hardly ever see these on my feed. In my personal opinion these arguments as reasons to deconstruct are not strong. But they are very good questions to ask. In all my years of being a serious Christian I have learned that every question I’ve ever heard has an answer. Regarding the first topic of “generations” I just googled that and found an answer. I didn’t even bother with the others because again, I’ve heard so many good questions with even better answers that I usually don’t bother to look them up anymore as things that I’ve had serious questions about have answers. Just as the two gentleman feel Christians have to do mental gymnastics to answer questions, I felt like they had to do the same - while being insulting and condescending. But that’s ok - I get it. Understanding Christianity is like math. There are some really simple concepts that everyone can understand like 2+2 = 4, yet you have some people arguing, no it really doesn’t equal 2. And then you have deep concepts like Trigonometry which you really have to dig into and seek answers and understanding. Plenty of people would say Trig doesn’t make sense to them. But just because they don’t understand it doesn’t make it untrue. By the way - these gentlemen should have just started with the resurrection. That’s impossible for most people to understand and just ends the argument. But if we as humans can understand everything God says and does, is he really God?? Appreciate the video gentleman.

@exjwukmusicalescape9241

6 ай бұрын

I agree with your comment it's a weak argument about 'this generation' and requires an arbitrary atheistic interpretation that ignores the rest of the Bible. You only have to read a few old commentaries on these verses in Matt 24:34 and Matt 16:28 to realise that one explains the other, it's modernist society and weak biblical knowledge that is the problem not the scriptures themselves. They also rely on atheistic principles for the textual and higher criticism that they insist upon that's the real one two knockout punch. Accept their atheistic principles then let them lead you to their logical conclusion even though in an atheistic worldview they have no way to account for logic or math that's why define themselves by what they don't believe.

@JenniferJohnson-fh8fx

6 ай бұрын

@@exjwukmusicalescape9241 100% agree with you. It’s really unfortunate that his pastors did not have better answers but this interview was really more of a conclusion on just how terrible Bible knowledge is amongst Christians (and I’m not great myself) vs a statement about Christianity itself.

@Shane-ju7op

6 ай бұрын

@@exjwukmusicalescape9241 Yes, Its a very weak argument

@sunelmusic3343

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate this comment. As a Christian myself, I do a lot of research and watch a ton of videos like the one above, especially videos regarding the battle between islam and Christianity. I have been asking God to guide me in the right direction, yet, no matter what, even though some of these videos make sense, there's always a voice inside of me telling me not to doubt for a second that my faith is on the right path. God created everything, the whole universe, NOTHING is impossible for Him. How arrogant of us as humans to think we can understand Him, understand how He works and thinks and creates. Time for us is not the same time for Him. We as Christians will have many backlashes coming our way, deception is everywhere and I do believe videos like this are some form of deception, with all due respect. We walk by faith, not by sight. "This generation" in my opinion, I do believe its more of a metaphor for what is to come. Speaking in the future tense. I don't believe it was meant for that generation more than years ago. The Bible isn't meant to be understood on a literal basis. I'd rather believe and be wrong than reject Christ and be wrong. I have nothing to lose when I believe and accept Him as the truth and my savior.

@knowledgeseeker-yy1ix

4 ай бұрын

@@sunelmusic3343 you have nothing to lose...except of course if an entirely different god turns out to be the real one...and by following the Bible and the characters thereof you rejected the real true god...oops...

As a child I could not reconcile the millions of years that dinosaurs ruled the earth with the creation fable. I knew that an ark could not possibly contain all the animals of the world. Why would any God kill all the innocent people and animals with a flood. More and more contradictions and brutality in the Bible made me realize at a young age that it was a book of myths an historical fiction book.

@gilgamesh7652

9 ай бұрын

Is strange that Early Church Fathers who lived in the 5th century did not believe that the Genesis events were literal but more symbolic but some people today...

@JasonHauser125

8 ай бұрын

Certain esoteric schools teach that Genesis is chock full of secret truths, and the "stories" of the 7 days, an ark, Adam and Eve are all symbolic of much, much older things. Same schools also say the Biblical Jesus didn't exist, although he was based on someone who did.

@neftalibahamundi7270

8 ай бұрын

Hello, I respectfully disagree with your comment about the flood. It is possible for animals to fit in the Ark, keep in mind that the number of animals of today didn't exist back then but their ancestors. Also, if you remove the aquatic animals from the list; the number gets smaller. God makes it clear that it needs to be 1 male and 1 female. Lastly, I encourage you to read Genesis 6 where it explains that humanity was causing violence and all kinds of sins. Because of these reasons is why God killed them all. God saw their hearts was made of evil and stone. The only way to get rid of evil is either with love or death. Death was the optoon after God expressed love to them and they refused it. If you disagree with God and His 2 choices, how would you handle the situation?

@gilgamesh7652

8 ай бұрын

@@neftalibahamundi7270 But some must of the animals where in 7 pairs while orthes just in 1 pair

@neftalibahamundi7270

8 ай бұрын

@@gilgamesh7652 Thank you for replying. Gen 6 explains that God commanded Noah to take 2 (male and female) of every different kind of animal. Gen 7 explains that after a period of time, God planned ahead and commanded Noah to take seven of every different kind of clean and unclean animals, male and female, for sacrificial purposes. Adding a bit more in the ark. If you like to know what are the clean and unclean animals; you can read Lev 11.

David is extremely well-argued, and quite clear in his thinking. Great to hear such clarity!

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

I also deconstructed my faith a few years ago after 35 years of being a very serious Christian. I can relate to everything in this video. Thank you.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

5 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@marcomoreno6748

4 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 All claim. Zero evidence. "Trust me, bro."

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

3 ай бұрын

@@marcomoreno6748 Demons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God WHO GETS ALL THE ATTENTION? Evil is against good, which religion or God is attacked the most? Whose Name gets taken in Vain? Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

@Val.Kyrie.

3 ай бұрын

I’m going through this myself.

@larrybikedummy

3 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363, what god is good? The one who allows a child to starve to death every minute worldwide or die slowly and painfully from cancer? What for? To control population growth? Hm, does he love everyone? Did he love that child to the extent that let them die painfully from hunger or disease? Wouldn't there be more love and mercy in an instant death from a hurricane or car crash or heart attack or any other sudden cause? But no, the "loving father" opts to let the child die slowly and in pain... Bullshit. There is either no god or he cares about us just about as much as we care about the bugs and antes crawling under our feet...🤬

I'm so glad to find your channel. Thank you for sharing your story. I am struggling. Your words and book suggestions have helped.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Ай бұрын

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

Reading the Bible cover to cover is probably the number one way to turn a Christian into an non-Christian.

@miked6652

9 ай бұрын

What about the Quran? If you don't know much about Islam, briefly, Muslims believe that whether you follow Moses, Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham, Noah, David, Jacob or any of the Prophets/Messengers sent to humankind in all times by God/Allah/Hashem is the same. However the Quran stated that after the Torah was corrupted (Change of the original) by deceivers to suit their benefits and then expired, then God/Allah/Hashem sent Jesus with the Gospel, then God/Allah/Hashem sent after all Muhammad with the Quran. Chapter 5 Versus 68: "Say, O people of the Book (Torah and Gospel), you are not on anything until you establish the Torah and the Gospel." And this didn't happen just with the last three Prophets. But since Adem, every time God/Allah/Hashem sent a prophet to a nation, he would send another after the previous message was corrupted and falsely changed.

@emo516

9 ай бұрын

Funny thing, I was starting to become a devoted Christian until the pastor insisted I read the 'word of God' insisting that if we didn't we would suffer eternally. Something about that statement struck a chord w me, because I don't like be 'fear mongered' into things. I started reading it out of spite, only to realize that I had I read it sooner, I would have never joined the church first place. He was better off letting me live in my naivety.

@cozakokotano6448

9 ай бұрын

​​@@miked6652 Quran is speaking the truth though. The bible scriptures aren't original. The man is right. The bible from cover to cover makes you leave Christianity because it contradicts with the teachings of the church. Jesus isn't a God and he didn't come to create Christianity. He came with a renewal movement to the Jews. To Judaism. There is no such a thing as Christianity. The Gospels and new testament are all for Judaism renewal. It all wasn't for a religion called Christianity and Jesus himself never claimed godhood. No trinity. All of that aren't in the gospels and all of that don't make sense. No church can explain the trinity well. Reading the bible makes the person leave Christianity because there is no such a thing as Christianity. It is just a renewal movement to Judaism. The Dead sea scrolls also prove the Quran true about the Torah being corrupted. Isaiah is 18% shorter than in the original Torah, so some stuff are added or retracted and that is basically corruption in the text. Also, the writing of the Dead Sea scrolls support the Hebrew bible which shows that the greek old testament has mistakes and faults. So, both are corrupted and the Quran is correct on this one, but that requires someone who researches, not a liar like yourself.

@Kassalawy56789

9 ай бұрын

So, how do you believe in it??? I am a moslem & just curious.

@wooddoc5956

9 ай бұрын

​@@cozakokotano6448Sorry, but people flying around on horses is no more believable than people rising from the dead.

I left xtianity because I got tired of worrying about hell, the tribulation and not being holy enough. None of it has any bearing on every day life.

@madeirafonseca6383

9 ай бұрын

Christianity, live the lie.

@freespirit-111

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, never being good enough, always being the problem, not hearing and seeking God enough… it’s to much.

@aprilmeowmeow

8 ай бұрын

​@@freespirit-111I hope you're free from religion, and have learned to love yourself. You are good enough. We were lied to.

@freespirit-111

8 ай бұрын

@@aprilmeowmeow I’m in a much better place. Thank you for your kind words.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

There are more verses that you did not mention, that really convinced me that there is no one coming to save, I realized that all I was doing was for nothing. It was the worst day of my life, knowing that I had so much hope on something that did not exist.

Awesome conversation

Listening to you and David speaking, as an ex-fundie myself, I am starting to think there is a connection or correlation between the level of intensity or seriousness one experiences the faith and the likelihood that they will end up researching themselves into deconstruction. The believers we would have called 'lukewarm' are actually the clever ones, playing it safe. Why torture yourself on the path of deconstruction unless you are starting from a point of wanting, needing and dying to know God in the most literal way possible; rather than letting yourself merely be convinced of the fact a priori?

@danieldelanoche2015

9 ай бұрын

That's interesting. I think you make a really good point, I just wish it hadn't taken me so long to figure out it wasn't true. I was a super hardcore fundamentalist Christian, went to to Bible college, got my Theology degree, was a music leader, singer, preacher, etc. but kept just enough of an open mind to see inconsistencies in what people said they believed, things in the Bible that just couldn't make sense, etc.

@Okijuben

9 ай бұрын

@@danieldelanoche2015 Wow. You are not alone, friend. And kudos for not doing what tens of thousands of others in your position end up choosing because of the sunk cost fallacy. I can only imagine the harrowing journey you've undertaken and I hope you have found ways to continue to fill your life with light and love and use, grow and redirect all that experience into something new and fulfilling. That's been my challenge of late, moving on from realizing I wasn't put on the Earth just to glorify the Palestinian/Canaanite Highlander Wargod and being okay with living in a community full of people that do. Audiobooks are a great distraction. So is making music.

@kariannecrysler640

9 ай бұрын

I agree integrity demands honesty and faith isn’t about being honest.

@tbishop4961

9 ай бұрын

The secret awaits eyes unclouded by ambition

@AndrewChristiansen-rx4mx

9 ай бұрын

That is a good point. I was a lukewarm christian so to speak, as I saw the bible as a guidebook NOT as the literal word of God. Or at least not the verison the we have today as it had gone through. I guess that is why it took me 18 years for my faith to fade away into non-belief.

The BIGGEST issues for me were the fact that Jesus fulfilled no prophecies, Christians mistranslated many OT verses to make up prophecies that weren't intended by the authors, and ascribe verses that have nothing to do with prophecy as being somehow tied to Jesus life.

@soniq351

8 ай бұрын

What prophecies are you talking about?

@ericgumafelix612

8 ай бұрын

​@@soniq351 I was thinking the same thing

@leneeslash3989

8 ай бұрын

@@soniq351 Just search Rabbi Tovia Singer and he does a great job explaining the prophecies (or lack there of) concerning this "jesus" Isaiah 9 is a popular one for example

@soniq351

8 ай бұрын

@@ericgumafelix612 Many Jews in Israel who also speak Hebrew are turning to Jesus and one of the reasons are the prophecies in the Tanahk/OT.

@manuelshaul9244

8 ай бұрын

When JESUS play the cross. He already fulfilled prophecies. The problem is not JESUS it's humans and all they seven deadly sins they practice and the ten commandments they don't follow. Look at the world full of problem cause of people sins. Humans don't want to take responsibility for they actions that's all it ever been. You get it. The bible is talking about us. So of course people trying to curse GOD because y'all want to think it's JESUS that's wrong. Except the fact that humans are not following the law of GOD and Satan is devouring them. And change them to someone else.

Nice to see a fellow Aussie on your show... and he's from Queensland's Sunshine Coast; a beautiful part of the world.

Excellent interview. Thank you both.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

The nail in the coffin for me was when I realized that the very foundation of the prophetic idea of a messiah figure coming to restore the Davidic throne, and the belief Jesus had in his own apocalyptic role in that, was based on Daniel, which is a forgery. It became clear to me that even Jesus expected that the judgement, end of the age, new kingdom, restored throne of David, was all going to happen imminently. In Matthew 19 he says his 12 disciples will be made governors over the 12 tribes. That’s hugely problematic considering one of them was Judas Iscariot. It lets us know even Jesus expected a different outcome. And the church later ret-conned the entire idea to be spiritual, and pushed the big physical fulfillments out to some indeterminate point in the distant future. Bottom line, my inevitable conclusion was this: If I went back in a Time Machine, I probably wouldn’t see a supernatural rabbi healing lepers and walking on water. And if I brought the guy the Jesus character was based on back to the 20th century, I think he’d look at all our churches, seminaries, songs, mountains of theology and practical Christian living books, and our culture wars, and he’d say “holy sht! You people have made a huge mistake. I did not intend for any of this to happen.”

@tibitzu365

8 ай бұрын

In the gospel of Judas, Jesus laughs at the disciples and says to them that none of them will see that messianic age, they got quite upset about it and "turned their heart against him", apparently it didn't fit their world view. I'm more inclined to believe the Islamic account which says that Judas went to the cross but i don't trust their reasoning as to why.

@jacobprasch8236

12 күн бұрын

Wrong, Judas was replaced by Matthias just as the tribe of Daniel was replaced by splitting the Tribe of Joseph into two.

I'm so glad you mentioned the destruction of the temple, Derek! If the gospels were being written today about a guy born in 1980, his end-times prophecy would have said something like 'the two steel dragons of the eagle-headed beast will burn down the two highest temples of world trade; then you will know the Son of Man is coming.'

@emilywyatt9340

9 ай бұрын

Rebuilding the temple as a task of the Messiah was post 70CE. At Jesus time . He was a military leader who would rid Judea of the hated Romans. Jesus ended up like all the other Messianic wannabes. His followers were so traumatised, they reinvented the very nature and mission of the Messiah rather than go home and keep a low profile. It s like Maga they can't accept they were wrong so they will hold on and make eternal excuses for the cult figure.

@johnjackson4905

9 ай бұрын

Jesus is the twin towers, the two cherubim of the ark of the covenant. 666 is a swastika, the altar of incense. The menorah is the eiffel tower. The table of shewbread is the lincoln memorial. The 7 churches is the 7 heads of europe. Spain, france, england, germany, italy, austria, and russia.

@thomaslynas721

8 ай бұрын

Obviously a prophecy written after the event

@markuse3472

8 ай бұрын

@@emilywyatt9340 You like all atheists and evolutionists-alike will of course force yourselves to believe as you choose and want to believe, even though you know you are wrong. There is no possible way first century (and somewhat into the second) AD Christians would have willingly lost jobs, family members, gone to prison, been beaten, been persecuted, been tortured and killed (again, willingly) had they not completely known Jesus was the son of God. But they had that bravery, that courage, that boldness, because they knew Jesus was Gods son, they had seen him resurrected and had seen him performing many miracles. They had Gods holy spirit and that helped them move along, whether in pain or not. No way no how they would have willingly suffered such pain and misery had they not known Jesus was Gods son. This was not only in Judea but in many districts of the Roman empire. You can, and people as you have, made some attempts to compare some of modern examples of mass religious delusion with first century Christians, but no honest, reasonable and smart person will agree with you: there is no comparing the two. It is too obvious first century Christians had come to know Jesus as Gods son.

@markuse3472

8 ай бұрын

@@thomaslynas721 You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZread on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some KZread channel.

Really nicely moderated, Derek. Excellent talk - best I've seen so far.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

6 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@DeepDrinks

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it :)

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

5 ай бұрын

@@DeepDrinks You have value in God's eyes A Dad and his son were fishing and having a great time. The Dad told the son to never jump in these waters as there are deadly creatures lurking below including many crocodiles. The son didn’t take his Dads instruction seriously because he couldn’t see anything on the surface. Because the weather was hot and the son wanted to cool off he jumped in the waters. The Dad quickly jumped in to save his child by throwing him back into the boat. However the dad was killed by some crocodiles in the process. Jesus is the Dad you are the child "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13) Repent and Believe in Jesus today.

@DeepDrinks

5 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 🤦‍♂

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

4 ай бұрын

@@DeepDrinks Let me share something i think youve never heard before God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

I gave up on Christianity long ago,,i was raised Catholic didnt practice much,,,,but there was no way history or a religion was going to blame me for the world we live in now which can be pretty horrible at times ! Any abrahamic religion is out of the question for me because they are misogynistic! Thank you DAVID !

Excellent presentation. As far as the old cultural laws/Levitical Law, the popular excuse that conservative/evangelical Christians use for quoting the scriptures regarding homosexuality, but ignoring all the dietary laws, the laws about stoning people to death, wearing different types of fabrics together, rituals involving a woman's menstrual cycle, or even only eating or touching a flying insect if its legs are "jointed" (yep, that's in there)....is that only the "moral" laws are still in effect, and so they are no longer bound by any of the others....EXCEPT that any rabbinical scholar will tell you, that's NOT a Jewish thing. Christians came up with that concept so that they could pick and choose which of those old cultural laws were useful to them, and which weren't.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@granvillesimmons6033

7 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I am in agreement as far as Christ, whose teachings and mandates I try to follow. Christ was/is perfect, because He is part of the Triune God. BUT I believe God has manifested in other Faiths, and that is why I try to be respectful of them (and to people who aren't religious as well). I believe that anyone who is without sin absolutely has the right to judge others. Funny, I've yet to run across anybody that fits those qualifications. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God".

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

@@granvillesimmons6033 Jesus is exclusive John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. “; right here Jesus called every religion a lie He is the truth. Believe what you want but the fact of the matter is humans are sinners in need of the saviour. Jesus did not only die on the Cross, but He also rose again from the dead. This is huge and you ought to listen to Him today. I am not a judge who sends you to prison, God's prison is hell so get right with Him today

Many years ago, I listened to Derek when we were both still Christians. Then, I stopped listening as I started moving away from Christianity. Now, here I am, listening to Derek again, today, neither of us Christians.

@DeepDrinks

8 ай бұрын

😯

@johnbeechy

8 ай бұрын

did u go small a atheist, or Large A atheist? or did u just assume God is not a mosaicist and there by God was not inside the Body of Jesus during the Crossing? a Muslim believes there was a Prophet named Jesus, but God being an Almighty would not put ITself into pain and suffering of a Crossed Body. i am just curious God does not mind atheists, it IS the large A Atheists that Bee duh problem // Ms are harmless unless they r rich with too much time on their hands = idle = wasted away with out a normal rt to access luxury cell phones are Ok now for many non tech M sects, but war pushes Tech upon the sheep that hate to use the latest toys // Thank you for your service

@njhoepner

8 ай бұрын

"The Lord moves in mysterious ways." 😂

@PRAEDICATORVERITATIS

8 ай бұрын

I wonder if you both are willing to have a conversation with Sam Shamoun @SHAMOUNIAN.

@MrBadintentionss

8 ай бұрын

@@PRAEDICATORVERITATIS it's impossible to counter logic and critical thinking if you're a right fighter for something that has never been proven to exist. ANYONE who would enter a debate with only claims and feelings as their defence will get eaten alive, but being a right fighter, will learn exactly nothing 🤟

As a Christian I’m leaning towards that Christ already returned as Preterism suggests. This channel & others like yours are opening my eyes to these same questions.

2:25 in my waking up process from JW’s, I was amazed with stories of former members who were at Bethel or elders... Grateful they came out to share their stories. It helped me a lot in the early stage

I'm certainly no Christian but just for arguments sake, why does everyone insist on taking a single word that a translator chose as the gospel truth when there are other definitions for that same word that fit just as well? The same word used for "generation" in Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 is also translated in other verses in the NT as "nation", "age" or "time". Looking back at the passages in context, the disciples essentially asked him 3 separate questions. When will these thing be? What will be the sign of your coming? And of the end of the age? He answers each of the 3 questions but the verse where he states "this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" is clearly answering the end of the age question and, based on the way the word is translated in other passages in the NT, could easily have been translated as "this age will by no means pass away till all these things take place". So he's not necessarily saying it will happen within that generation. He could easily have been indicating that all the things he spoke of will happen before the end of the age...whenever that happens to be. His very next statement is that "Heaven and earth will pass away" so my guess would be that he's saying that all these things would come to pass around the end of the age sometime close to when the new heavens and new earth appear but no man knows when that is.

@russellmiles2861

8 ай бұрын

To be honest: the majority of practicing Christians don't bother with what is written; they participate in ritual, listen to priests and live their lives. They even necessarily consider the god/not god thing. They just don't think about it. Only few folk who get off on details, reading and study get off on this stuff. They are a small minority

@NeoGeoFitness

2 ай бұрын

Remember that Jesus supposedly said that some of them will not see death...

@jawnatutorow

2 ай бұрын

​​@@NeoGeoFitnessit could be implying a spiritual death, the verses prior are talking about saving their soul, not necessarily a literal death "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul/life.

I recall, as a child, bring shocked by god killing all first born children of Egyptians although the kids hadn’t done anything to Moses. And by Job’s children not counting for anything in their own right.

@lordssideministries4062

8 ай бұрын

God gave everyone a choice… God told EVERYONE Egyptians included that he would send the death angel. Those that obeyed did not lose their child. Look at it another way if a person decides to drink alcohol and become drunk and drives and they kill their child in a car wreck it is directly related to their decision to drive intoxicated. Bear in mind the Egyptians saw miracle after miracle, judgement after judgement… The last judgement was horrific but they were all forewarned and they refused to follow Gods directives. Every sin has a consequence and sadly death could be the result of our disobedience just like my drunk driver scenario. Hopefully if most of us saw the plagues that the Egyptians saw we would have repented and put the blood over the doorpost

@kevcooper3037

2 ай бұрын

@@lordssideministries4062 you're trying to justify a god who's slaughtering infants for the sins of others, your god is nothing more than a bully

@jawnatutorow

2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if this would be comforting or not, but if it's true that God killed all those children (or any innocent people) to prove a point or release a judgement.. Then that same God promises a resurrection for those people to live again. So if you believe he killed also believe he will give life.

I read Shakespeare in English class. It was one of my first introductions to how things like language, cultural context & expectation have a huge impact on how something is read/understood. Shakespeare is widely regarded as one of the greatest writers in history, but his works were often vulgar and written for the masses with dick jokes galore. A lot of his carefully crafted jokes are lost on modern audiences due to everything from different pronunciations, slang, context, etc. His works are only around 450ish years old. Then I imagine how much cultural context is lost not just over time since the Bible’s different parts were written, but then the language and multiple translations too. Even something as seemingly simple as the Hebrew word tsela being mistranslated as “rib” instead of as “a matching half” has a LOT of meanings and connotations in faith. (Note: tsela is used to describe a set of what we would call French doors that are like mirror images fitted together perfectly). Hell, even the word “cursed” means something different culturally to my teen than it did 5 years ago. Inerrancy is impossible

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Ай бұрын

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

I can relate so much to what David has said. I too, decided to read the Bible from cover to cover and not just the few scriptures here and there being preached on Sunday. And I did not realize it at the time, what was going to happen and what was happening to me. It started with the creation story of Adam and Eve in Genesis. First it said that god created Adam and Eve, male and female in god's likeness. Then the very next chapter it said that Adam was lonely and that god put him to sleep, then created Eve from his rib for him to have a helpmeet. So, were they created at the same time or was Adam created first and then Eve? Then that led to my first, hmmm? I thought the Bible held the inspired and inherent word of god? This led the way to more and more inconsistencies and contradictions. Like who was the naked man in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus was praying for god to let this cup pass from him before the roman guards came to get him? Why was the man naked? Why was he with Jesus? Then the stories of Jonah and the whale, talking snake, poor Job, Lot and his daughters, Abraham about to sacrifice his only son, the burning bush, the talking donkey and on and on. But when it comes to morality and how to live a good life, I cannot see the Bible having any moral authority. It advocates for slavery, rape, murdering of babies, women, children, genocide, bigotry, racism, and misogynies. But what really did it, is that I have a friend that has a child with special needs. They said it was demon that had caused this medical state, that if we were to bring them to the church, they would anoint them with oils, and pray that the demon is cast out that has a hold on a young child no more than 2-3 years old. That child had cerebral palsy and autism. These are the dangers of religion and the church, that believes a young child has been possessed. It was the beginning of the end for me. Once that ball got rolling downhill, there was no way to stop it but follow it to its logical conclusion. I am an ex-believer. It has been 24 years since I left the church and NO ONE could get me to ever go back.

As a young gay man, I got caught a few times. Straight men do not look you in the eye and smile at you in random situations, EXCEPT when they are "Cruising for Christ."

@stussysinglet

8 ай бұрын

Got caught doing what?

@warrensmith8161

8 ай бұрын

I study the Bible as allegory and I cannot help but wonder if my approach would ultimately aid people that have been oppressed because of the ideas they represent in the allegories. Allegory is created by marrying masculine reality to feminine covers and this is known metaphorically as "truth". (In order to refer to real "truth" the idea must be repeated as in the Kybalion where it states that "...all truths are but half-truths.) This means that two men together represent a real form of truth which is the enemy of allegory based religion. Since women represent false ideas only, they have value only as covers for male realities, which then means that lesbians are viewed as having no value at all. Furthermore, the name "Adam" literally means "to be red" and this can then be tied to the "red pill" of The Matrix movie and when Neo said to Trinity "I thought you were a guy" he meant that he had thought that the Christian god was real. Cypher also drops a clue when he says, while looking at the Matrix on his monitors, "You get used to it, I don't even see the code, All I see is blond, brunette, redhead". In Plato's Cratylus there is a discussion about the "correctness of names" and how names can be "disguised" by altering spelling, syllables, or using different words with the same meaning. When it comes to "demons", Socrates says this: "And therefore I have the most entire conviction that he called them demons, because they were daemones (knowing or wise), and in our older Attic dialect the word itself occurs." This obviously puts Christ's casting out of demons in an entirely new context. Furthermore, the name "Judas" can be understood as being derived from the Hebrew word "yada" which means "to know" which can be viewed as identifying Judas as a Gnostic. In this context, all "sins" are metaphors for attempting to learn the true truth and this also helps to explain why Adam and Eve needed to cover their nakedness and hide after eating from the Tree of Knowledge. So what do you think? Do you think that revelations such as this could eventually have a positive impact on people whose roots of oppression can be traced to this allegory? Once this allegory is sufficiently deciphered, I believe that it will prove beyond any reasonable doubt (at least to those not blinded by their beliefs) that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all deliberate frauds created by men that Plato identified as Sophists.

@stephenleblanc4677

8 ай бұрын

@@warrensmith8161 I'll bet you were a real interesting little kid.

I love that example of Dave walking on the plane. He sounded like so many Christians I’ve heard speak when he said “not only does this prove that David did walk to America, but he actually did teach us science as well.”

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

8 ай бұрын

All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

@aidenhastings6341

8 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that doesn’t make sense

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

@@aidenhastings6341 Hopefully this clears things up as this is extremely important WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH Adam and Eve (the first created beings) were supposed to live forever but they sinned against God and died because of their sin. Now due to sin we have a cycle of suffering and death. There are 2 deaths, the first death everyone knows but the 2nd death is a perpetual state of wasting away (hell). Only Jesus (Sinless Perfect God) can give you life, for He is life itself (John 14:6). God is just so all sin will be punished but Jesus took that punishment for us (sacrifice). Love Him back by repenting of your sins and believing in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour/ Romans 6. [23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

@JaysonT1

7 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Ooooh, I remember when I was this religious 😂. Good luck to you, sir. Truly.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

6 ай бұрын

@@JaysonT1 Jesus is calling you back, the world is dark and you won't be able to cope without Him Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want. WE KNOW GOD AND ARE KNOWN BY HIM

I almost gave up my faith - but I couldn’t deny the certain creative ways some of my prayers were answered… (That and J.S. Bach’s music!) I don’t have all the answers, I’ve had disappointments, I have accepted gray areas in my faith, and wrestling with questions isn’t a bad thing! Thank you for sharing your perspective, I respect your journey.

56:10 I once listened through quite a well known/learned christian leader and academic preach here in Oz about the topic of women speaking/teaching/leading/etc. Afterwards I talked to him to ask more questions, because I was very convinced by then that all us Christians ignored Paul on this and had no justification to, and I disagreed with Paul. He agreed with me! He said there was no way that Paul meant anything else, and that Paul really did just think it was how women were by nature, based on Paul's own explanations. That was an eye opener.

Thank you! It's NOT about "being an extreme personality"... It's really about being SERIOUS in your conviction. If you're NOT serious, then you can easily float along with vague cognitive dissonance. Only when you are WILLING to take it to its final CONCLUSION, the truth of it will reveal itself.

@aprilmeowmeow

8 ай бұрын

you summed it up perfectly. Almost every christian I know is ...y'know, "Christian". They also are the same people who say that Christianity is harmless. Well uh, I guess it is if you don't know much about what you claim to believe, lol.

@pheresy1367

8 ай бұрын

@@aprilmeowmeow That "warm, fuzzy, churchy feeling" that NUTHIN can compete with. Cause JC is da GOAT!

@King.Ambrose

6 ай бұрын

@@aprilmeowmeowChristianity is supposed to be harmless in a way

I was born and raised as a Jehovahs Witness. I completely understand what you are saying

@rhecb

9 ай бұрын

Not born but raised for 9 years #cult

@theunclejesusshow8260

9 ай бұрын

Took me 40plus years to escape the Candy Coated Blood Guilt Cult

@danhaverland4140

9 ай бұрын

​@theunclejesusshow8260 took me 45 years as an Pioneer, Ms and Elder

@danhaverland4140

9 ай бұрын

​@exjwjaynedoh1241I am CanadianExjw. Love your content

@trueworld78

8 ай бұрын

@exjwjaynedoh1241 i hear you on that one but you tell them and they acuse you of apostate,they just don't get it.

The red letters are perfect! When the prophets say THUS SAID THE LORD! That is also perfect. Don’t let satan trick you! JESUS IS REAL!

You inspired me to do my own podcast: MeatFishAndPodcast.

Great video! The more I ACTUALLY learn about the Bible, the more sick I get to my stomach. How did I have so much cognitive dissonance about this book. Yikes!

@hueym2196

8 ай бұрын

What is it that turned you off? The Torah is demystified myhtology and makes of how not to live. The Gospel is initiated and uninitiated material.

@celticbabs3105

8 ай бұрын

SAME!

@beastshawnee

8 ай бұрын

you believed what you were told -it’s indoctrination, sadly.

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

8 ай бұрын

@@hueym2196 That just sounds like words.

@Trip_Fontaine

8 ай бұрын

It's fear of Hell that keeps people believing in traditional Christianity. It takes an incredible amount of courage and confidence to start to doubt your beliefs when you have been told your whole life that you will be tortured indescribably for eternity if you doubt your beliefs. It's no coincidence that Christianity is the biggest religion in the world and also the only major religion that tells its followers they will be punished eternally if they doubt the religion is true. Even Muslims believe that people of other religions can achieve salvation, as long as they believe in some sort of God and are moral.

The more one studies the Bible in depth, the more one can realize that it is not Divinely written but reflects the mores and religious customs of a Bronze and Iron Age superstitious tribe surrounded by far more powerful civilizations. It promised to shield them from harm while convincing the tribe that they were specially chosen and protected. The Romans demonstrated that they were not. Instead of blaming their god for his failure to protect them, they settled on some fault of the people to explain his obvious indifference to their plight. Christianity offered a reinterpretation of the Old Testiment which allowed for people to follow a new god while still preserving some aspects of the old god. However, the new religion was still reflective of those times which have been morally challenged two thousand years later as society evolved.

@shapelessshapefromthebay8759

8 ай бұрын

Sounds like you have bE3n *S4VED* by YOURSELF!!! Congratulations *conscious* beinG.

@uffdad8211

8 ай бұрын

@@shapelessshapefromthebay8759 Thank you my friend!

@Expedient_Mensch

8 ай бұрын

The Assyrians also had a huge impact on Judaism just a few hundred years before the Romans arrived, causing massive shifts in the core beliefs of the Jewish culture. Zoroastrianism, the religion of those Assyrians, laid the foundations for the doctrines that Christianity claims as its own.

@Jake-zc3fk

8 ай бұрын

Very well put!

@hueym2196

8 ай бұрын

It depends on what is divine. From the Suemrian poems of Inanna divine means 'acting justly'. After her path of enlightenment she can create heaven by living divine. But the majority of people need a sentient skydaddy rather want to remain without courage and self riliance.

I didn't believe in Christ until He came to me. I understand your concerns and arguments. I relate. Christ is alive. That is truth. I don't have an issue with where you're at. I have a problem with the possibility of turning people away from truth. You know Christ.

I was at burning man a few weeks ago. There was alot of people holding signs walking down the street that said, "non- judgment day is coming"

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back. God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.

@Rory-co4vm

3 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363. Hey man

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

@@Rory-co4vm Hi Roy how are you? Jesus loves you more than you will know GOD BAD OR GOOD? I received a physical healing miracle if God were evil that wouldn’t happen. When you eat and drink id it painful or pleasurable? What about when you use the toilet to remove waste? What about when you burp, yawn, sneeze? When a dad tells his son right from wrong is the dad bad or good?

@Rory-co4vm

2 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 everything you’ve just explained is better explained by evolution and our natural biology. The reason why certain things are pleasurable is that if we partake in them it is more likely we will reproduce and send on our genes.

Thanks for having the courage to speak on this topic.

@DeepDrinks

8 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺

0:00: 📺 The video discusses the interpretation of the Bible and the frustration of the speaker with certain Christian beliefs. 5:07: 🙏 The speaker shares their experiences running prayer groups and helping the homeless in their town. 10:16: 🔍 The speaker discusses how certain aspects of Christianity, such as the Bible's inerrancy and morality, can be questioned and deconstructed. 14:59: 📖 The video discusses the prophecies and warnings given in the Bible. 20:07: 🔮 Jesus warns about deception, wars, and persecution as signs of his coming and the end of the age. 24:34: ⚠ Jesus warns of the impending Desolation and advises people to flee to the mountains. 29:34: 🤔 The speaker questions why people interpret certain aspects of Christianity differently and suggests that theological reasons play a role in these interpretations. 34:41: 🤔 The video discusses the problem with understanding the New Testament and how people make excuses to get Jesus and the early Church off the hook. 39:47: 💡 Early Christian groups had differing beliefs about the nature of God, Jesus, and Paul's visionary experiences. 45:15: 📚 The speaker researched homosexuality in the Bible to help someone reconcile their faith with their personal identity. 49:30: 💔 The speaker shares their experience of trying to change people's minds with evidence but encountering resistance and dishonesty. 54:09: 👩‍🏫 The video discusses the interpretation of a Bible verse about women in the early churches. 59:32: 💔 The video discusses a disturbing passage in the Bible that condones violence against women and treats them as property. Recap by Tammy AI

As a militant atheist, I had all the same concerns about these passages you mention (as well as concerns about many you don't). It's good to use your god given intellect to consider all aspects of ones faith. I am sad however that it has led you to losing it. Christianity should not be about religion, it should be about a relationship. I hit a very dark place in life, I spent months praying "God, if you're there, I need to see it". He drove me to church and introduced me to Jesus. I don't claim to believe the bible is not heavily influenced by man. I also know nothing could make me deny God is real and Jesus was sent by him. Without any condenscension meant, I will pray that God reaches you again. Do not harden your heart because man does not have the answers you seek. I see the compassion and concern in you and that is the leadership needed among Christians. We need leaders who are not afraid to speak up and speak out about the harms that can be and are inflicted on individuals because of misplaced judgement within the church.

@marcomoreno6748

4 ай бұрын

"As a militant atheist" Stopped reading.

Derek should show off more. I had no idea you were so versed in book, chapter, and verse!

6:53 “I was too Heavenly minded to be any Earthly-good.” -That was a mic drop 🤯💯👏🏾

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

Thank you Derek and David. This kind of reasonable and articulate discussion is so critical. It's critical for those wrestling with their faith, or lack of it. It's critical for those whose previously held beliefs are crumbling, in whole or in part. It's critical for those who are looking for an intellectually sound place to land when their world views, previously held, no longer serve them. Thanks again.

@DeepDrinks

8 ай бұрын

Thank you ☺

Wonderful discussion!!

I like the interpretation that the generation hasn't died because Jesus just gave a random person in that crowd immortality.

The standard excuse I remember for Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21 is that "All these things" didn't mean everything in that sermon, but just some things. There is no way to make that make sense, but it was the standard answer I always got.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

"As usual", this was a truly awesome presentation !! Best regards !!!

@DeepDrinks

8 ай бұрын

Thank you😊

People can be seriously wrong or sincerely wrong. Sounds like David hasn’t experienced the grace that comes when one truly understands God’s goodness over against our own sinfulness. The free gift of His forgiveness and grace that brought faith to my soul, delivered me from me. “For me to live is Christ.” I belong to Him. He gave His life for me. Jesus is the author and finisher of my faith. I trust Him. His love never disappoints.

@DrPhilGoode

2 ай бұрын

Is that on him though? What about all the people that have spent years believing and attempting to accept this free gift only to get free crickets in return.

@AndyAyala-

2 ай бұрын

@@DrPhilGoode “is it on him?” Might be a better question to ask “what is the true desire of his heart”… no one has faith in things they don’t hope in. No one hopes in something they don’t desire. People who truly desire to worship, love, and trust in God tend to experience God. People with wrong intentions tend to not experience God.

@TheLIVEKIWI

2 ай бұрын

"People can be seriously wrong or sincerely wrong" so which are you?

@DrPhilGoode

Ай бұрын

@@AndyAyala- Sounds like a cop out. Like saying people that deconstruct and leave their faith were never true “real” believers. The majority of those who identify as Christian were introduced to it during early childhood and that “experience” was needed to in order to fit in with their social and environmental surroundings.

This is exactly why you need an apostolic Church guarded by the Holy Spirit as Christ promised. I would not be a Christian if I had to rely on many of the "preachers/pastors" around today

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

2 ай бұрын

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

Love this video!! Thank you for this work Mythvision!!

@markuse3472

8 ай бұрын

You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on KZread on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some KZread channel.

@tlbirdsong1

7 ай бұрын

It's talking about the brand new generation of Christians that was formed by the death of Jesus because we would not have a new testament without the resurrection of course it's been 2,000 years to us but to Jesus it's only been 2 + 1/4 days

Thanks for another very interesting conversation.

Very informative.

This makes me very sad. I really hope you reconsider. I would really hope you go back to the scriptures and come back. GODS arms are wide open! All love here .

@TheLIVEKIWI

2 ай бұрын

Leaving Christianity is not losing your connection with God. It's realising the god of the bible is not actually God.

Wait... "not one stone left upon another" but, believers travel to Israel to pray at a wall allegedly a wall of the ancient temple? 😮 as Homer Simpson would say... DOH!

@DeepDrinks

8 ай бұрын

lol

awesome, thanks for sharing. these were the exact things I kept tying to reconcile as a christian and never could. its good to hear others talk about these issues.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

8 ай бұрын

All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

@MeganVictoriaKearns

7 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363🙄🙄🙄

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

6 ай бұрын

@@MeganVictoriaKearns Look ill share something personal. I’ve personally seen Jesus (Not worthy), Heaven and Hell. Hell is worse than what you think (I was shaking after that experience), and Heaven is better than what you think. I have also received a personal healing miracle, I can go into details if you want. This is how God works. If you give Him the benefit of the doubt, He gives you more and more. Would I spend even 2 minutes preaching if I had an ounce of doubt? (I’ve experienced way too much)

An excellent discussion of troubling passages and issues in our Bible. My own Faith has not been disturbed one bit by problematic scriptural passages, predicted events, etc. The reason is, Eternal God gave me His believing Faith, that enables me to not be disturbed by these passages, time sequences and other Biblical promises/issues that dont seem to add up. It is no surprise that from my earthly human perspective, there are so many problems with so many passages. This must happen because Heavenly events - past, present and future, cannot be perceived and understood by the human mind, without believing Faith that can only come from Eternal, Creator, Sovereign God. I dont expect to be able to explain and understand much of the Bible, and yet my Divinely given believing Faith, enables me to trust in the perfection of Eternal God and knowing that one day in the next life with Him, ALL questions will be answered and understood perfectly. I am waiting patiently for that day, and until then, I will not be deterred by what I dont understand here on earth. The knowledge gap is not in Eternal Creator God, its in me, His creation "who will understand it better by and by."

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@alahatzaifat1872

6 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Prove that your godling existed, died, and then resurrected. Until you can do that, the rest of your claim/comment is moot.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

6 ай бұрын

@@alahatzaifat1872 The year is 2023 ad proving He existed and died, You can't find His bones proving He rose from the dead. God lives through all Christians through the Holy Spirit proving He is alive forevermore, join the winning team today by repenting and believing in Jesus

@Mgg407

6 ай бұрын

Claims threats and assertions ​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

Gentlemen, this discussion was very good. Many of us have had these questions since childhood but we were told not to question the Bible. If the Bible was truly the inerrant word of God, there will be no need for Bible commentaries and devotionals. Most sermons are a little flavor of the text and a whole bunch of personal interpretations.

Also, Deuteronomy 22: (with no principle of bodily autonomy and consent) there is no understanding that in the trauma of sexual assault, the freeze option sometimes kicks in. There may be no "crying out"...the victim does not need to be choked to the point of going unconscious.

@tibitzu365

8 ай бұрын

Actually the origin of this tradition goes back to Sumeria as well. The leader of the gods raped a nurse of their race which was a crime, but they still needed the leader for their mission. Rather than exile him, they approached the girl and said, "hey, we know this terrible thing happened to you, but he is a prince and very powerful, how about you marry him and you will benefit." This was an exception, not a rule. Arabs still carry out this practice in some places to this day, albeit far more barbaric.

I thought God cursed the ground, not Eve; yet why bible apologists condemn the woman every time! Great show with David, and to hear his story. I was a JW and just quit going, it wasn't until later that my wall came crashing down, the lies, cheating, and hidden CSA was enough for me to justify never going back! I wasn't a good girl while I was in, only when I left did I change my morals and divorced my abusive JW husband. Never been happier, being free is better than anything too. Love your channel Derek, I have learned far more than when I was in the cult!😁

@DeepDrinks

9 ай бұрын

Thankyou :)

@jeneb52

9 ай бұрын

​@@DeepDrinksyour welcome and looking forward to your next podcast and seeing what you drink!☕

@DeepDrinks

9 ай бұрын

@@jeneb52 thanks :)

@johnjackson4905

9 ай бұрын

Everybody in eden is guilty. Thats the point. The forbidden fruit is genocide. America is guilty, france is guilty, germany is guilty.

@emilywyatt9340

8 ай бұрын

Also death and eternal damnation to hell was not in Eves list of punishments .The idea doesn't crop up till Paul. What kind of deity doesn't say anything for thousands 0f years, , let's its creation suffer such a fate, then demand a sacrifice of himself to himself to clear up the mess. What a crock of shite .I realised Paul and church invented the doctrine of original sin. Judaism has original virtue. We are born morally pure and are not responsible for our ancestors mistakes . The children shall not die for the fathers, but be responsible for their own sins or human mistakes. Making mistakes is how we learn our soul lessons here on earth. If God incarnates us to grow and learn. Why would it then torture us for doing just that. There's is no way I can ever re accept Christianity. There's too many issues. I don't do blind faith and not asking questions. We are all eternal souls. We live for ever in repeated incarnations. The claim that only Christians live for ever is ridiculous and part of the superior chosen ones mentality it has.

I haven't watched this yet, but as a former youth pastor, now atheist, I'm interested to see what if any correlations there will be.

@DeepDrinks

5 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoy

Great show!

Powerful talk. I wish we could accept that all religions are mythology and fable used by ancient people to pass on moral laws at the time and extract what value we can from them and be able to discard the rest.

@DeepDrinks

9 ай бұрын

Thanks

@aprilmeowmeow

8 ай бұрын

unfortunately, we have LAWS based on them for some reason, lol. I can't think about it too much because it pisses me off 😅

@tomtemple69

7 ай бұрын

except one of them is true.... Jesus is God

Love your channel. I found you about 4 years ago when I was going way back to my teen years (I am a septuagenarian) when I had this weird thing happen to me at &Calvary Chapel by Lonnie Frisbee. Since that time in circa 1969. I have been studying mind control and religion. I wanted to know if anyone else had experience at Calvary and now we’re criticizing. Your channel popped up Anyway Love love love your journey and your channels progress

@lordssideministries4062

8 ай бұрын

Lonnie Frisbee was a false prophet. I am sure and certain that tried or did abuse you. Don’t fault the church but attribute his sin to him and him alone

@panninggazz5244

8 ай бұрын

@@lordssideministries4062 I took an altar call and when Lonnie blessed me I literally flew back and was stunned for awhile.

@tylerdavis520

6 ай бұрын

What did he do to you?

As a pastor's kid from the Bible Baptist tradition, being a homosexual was torture.

Great testamony. Excellent discussion. I wish chats with my very Christian family were as fluid. At best we agree to disagree. I hold my tongue and suffer "the mighty name of Jesus". Thank you.

I wonder if religion was just used to enforce "laws" they didn't want you to be able to break even in the social sphere without severe repercussion or be able to question them so things would never change?

@neftalibahamundi7270

8 ай бұрын

I can't speak for other religions but I can with Christianity. I apologize if a "Christian" created a bad view on the rest of us. We believe people should ask all kinds of questions because questions leads to knowledge and wisdom; which is what God wants for us all. Sadly, some put religion over God. Christianity is supposed to be a relationship with God not a religion about God.

@TheMahayanist

8 ай бұрын

Well, that's certainly the point of the Hindu caste system. So, there's some merit to it.

@TheMahayanist

8 ай бұрын

​@@neftalibahamundi7270No. Christianity was always propaganda, mythology and politics. From the beginning to the end.

@neftalibahamundi7270

8 ай бұрын

@@TheMahayanist Hello, I respectfully disagree. Christianity is the complete opposite of those things and if you want to know how that can be, I encourage you to read the bible. • Propaganda requires misleading people. We don't stand for that because that's against our views and morals (1Jn4;1). •A myth requires to have evidence that is all made up. Can you please be the 1st to show it's not real to me? Just because the bible can sound crazy sometimes, doesn't mean it's made up. Just because some people used religion for evil purposes in history, doesn't mean religion in general is evil; including in politics.

@TheMahayanist

8 ай бұрын

​​​​@@neftalibahamundi7270look, I've read the Bible and studied under multiple Biblical scholars. I don't need you to talk down to me about "reading the Bible" Paul explicitly said that lying is completely allowed as long as it's for the cause of Christ. The evidence that it's all made up has been known by scholars for decades. Hector Avalos in his book, the End of Biblical Studies summarizes the current consensus. I didn't say religion is evil, I said Christianity is evil.

Great video as usual bro and I had an issue with the verse saying none of you will taste death until these things come to past… I don’t think none of those people are alive today

@philtate1029

7 ай бұрын

On this one it's pretty obvious that Jesus is talking about the Generation that witness all of the signs He is describing (of the end of the age before the coming of the Kingdom of God) that's how to interpret the saying in its context

@THEBESTINTEREST-ne1hp

7 ай бұрын

Jesus is talking about the future believers who will see His return on the Spot...

As for Matt 16:28 I thought the context of the chapter outlines the topic of not allowing doubt to grow inside of you. When it references death I understood it to mean that some will not believe and be converted until they see it with their own eyes.

@harrisonphiri2837

6 ай бұрын

That is conjecture!

This is what happens when u don’t read the Bible in context

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

@LeoVital

3 ай бұрын

Ah, "context". The true God of Christians who realize that their Bible has contradictions, lol

@TheLIVEKIWI

2 ай бұрын

haha, it makes even less sense when you do

Great to see an Aussie on the podcast. We need more skilled scoffers like David in this part of the world.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

8 ай бұрын

All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

@DannyWJaco

7 ай бұрын

I’m stealing “Skilled Scoffers”. 😂

@LuckyMNplayboi

7 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I think you might have replied to the wrong comment in accident, my friend.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

@@DannyWJaco Everyone’s got struggles of some kind, whether it be financial, health related or sinful addictions that you know is bad but can’t stop it. Ask for Jesus to intervene and help. God will help you overcome, thus giving you a personal encounter, and proving He exists to you. I have received a physical healing mir-acle; Jesus is waiting for you to humble yourself and ask (ask because God listens).

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

@@LuckyMNplayboi You are important to God Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want.

Fear is a very powerful motivator. For the evangelical community of Christianity, they associate their eternal salvation coming from the Bible through its inerrancy. If the Bible is not inerrant, then the fear that their salvation may not be legitimate, grips them very strongly. That is my explanation and I am not trying to make excuses for them. Courage and love are sides of the same coin, as are fear and hate the sides of a different coin. Thanks for this great video.

I appreciate this. Thanks, guys.

I was an atheist already, and an adult, when i read the Bible deeply and critically. (I actually went to Catholic school through 9th Grade). But if I was a believer today and read the Old Testament, i would have stopped at Ex 21 7-11, where fathers were allowed to sell daughters as concubines (therefore other Israelites were buying them as sex slaves...). That would have stopped my belief in a good deity on its tracks. Now, it just fuels my search for more and more information and analysis.

@tibitzu365

8 ай бұрын

But my understanding is that the God that created the universe is not the same god/s that created man or these laws and is not constrained by our concepts of good vs evil. We anthropomorphize God and give our concepts, our morality depending on the time.

@bortiz11

8 ай бұрын

@tibitzu365 well, then your understanding is not based on Bible/Torah studies. Which is fine. Because according to the Old Testament, the same god did it all.

@tibitzu365

8 ай бұрын

Well ok yes, because God created everything and continues to do so. I could also say that God created the chair I made and it would be true. Elohim can refer to God, angels, judges or kings. Notice the difference between God in the 7 days of creation and then the Lord god after that. Now look at the creation myth of the Sumerian culture(specifically, the creation of man) from which Abraham came from and tell me that God looks like a human(does not). This is what the Gnostics were getting at but badly. Edit: If you're over 40, you would be better off studying Kabalah, Torah can be hard to understand unless you have some knowledge about what came before and even harder if you come from a background of roman cultural appropriation.@@bortiz11​

@tibitzu365

8 ай бұрын

The Genesis of the Torah is also a very condensed form of what had gone before, for example, it doesn't go into the creation of Adam and Lilith and how it came that Adam lost his first partner who had to be replaced.@@bortiz11

@kevinblackwell4617

8 ай бұрын

@@bortiz11 Thank you for showing yourself to be dishonest. Exodus 21 7-11 doesn't allow fathers to sell their daughters as concubines. You plainly lie

A few translations don't say "this generation" but the majority do Matthew 24:34 (ABP+) Amen I say to you, In no way should [2pass away 1this generation] until whenever all these things should come to pass. (AFV) Truly I say to you, this generation shall in no wise pass away until all these things have taken place. (AMP) I assure you and most solemnly say to you, this generation [the people living when these signs and events begin] will not pass away until all these things take place. (AMPC) Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place. (ASV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. (BBE) Truly I say to you, This generation will not come to an end till all these things are complete. (Bishops) Ueryly I say vnto you: this generation shall not passe, tyll all these thynges be fulfylled. (BSB) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. (Cepher) Amein I say unto you, This nation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (CEV) I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens. (CJB) Yes! I tell you that this people will certainly not pass away before all these things happen. (CSB) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place. (Darby) Verily I say to you, This generation will not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place. (DRB) Amen I say to you that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done. (EHV) Amen I tell you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place. (EMTV) Assuredly I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away till all these things are fulfilled. (ERV) I assure you that all these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living. (ESV) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Geneva) Verely I say vnto you, this generation shal not passe, till all these things be done. (GNB) Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died. (GW) “I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place. (HCSB) I assure you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place. (ISV) I tell you with certainty, this generation will not disappear until these things happen. (JUB) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled. (KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (KJV-1611) Uerely I say vnto you, this generation shall not passe, till all these things be fulfilled. (KJVA) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (KJV-BRG) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (LEB) Truly I say to you that this generation will never pass away until all these things take place! (LITV) Truly I say to you, In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred. (LSB) “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (LSV) Truly I say to you, this generation may not pass away until all these may come to pass. (MKJV) Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled. (MSG) Don't take this lightly. I'm not just saying this for some future generation, but for all of you. This age continues until all these things take place. (Murdock) Verily I say to you, That this generation shall not pass away, till all these things shall be. (NAS77) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NAS95) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NASB) “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NENT) Amen I say unto you, This race shall not pass away, till all these things come to pass. (NET) I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (NIrV) What I'm about to tell you is true. The people living at that time will certainly not pass away until all those things have happened. (NIV) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (NIV84) I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (NKJV) Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. (NLT) I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place. (NRSV) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (NRSVA) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (NRSV-CE) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (Remedy) I tell you the truth, this sinful race will not pass away until all these things happen. (RSV) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place. (RSVA) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place. (RV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. (TCENT) Truly I say to you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have taken place. (TLB) Then at last this age will come to its close. (TLV) Amen, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things happen. (TNIV) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (TPT) I assure you, the end of this age will not come until all I have spoken comes to pass. (TS2009) “Truly, I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away until all this takes place. (WEB) Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished. (WEBA) Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished. (Webster) Verily I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things shall be fulfilled. (Weymouth) I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place. (Williams) I solemnly say to you, the present age will not pass away before all this takes place. (YLT) Verily I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass.

@helbitkelbit1790

9 ай бұрын

After Israel becomes a nation 1948 . A generation can be : 20 , 40 ,70 , or 120 years........The truth is , we are reading fairy tales

@tami.1111

9 ай бұрын

Wow...that's a lot of translations!

@timbrubaker1787

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's almost like some translators couldn't deal with that contradiction and decided to editorialise.

I look at Revelation as little more than revenge porn. It provided inspiration for some cool renaissance period art. Growing up in the UCC, I can't remember ever talking about it. I remember reading it when I was about 10. It went over my head.

David is right on point! He completely validated what I myself believe and experienced.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

@mjolnir9855

7 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363no such issue exists because sin is a mythological concept. None of that is actually real things.

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

6 ай бұрын

@@mjolnir9855 i wouldn't bother preaching if i didn't know it is real In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)

Derek, a former Roman Catholic here. Also a former Mormon. Ever heard of Billy Carson? He wrote the Compenpdium of the Emerald Tablets. A Beginner's Guide. I also am gay, do read the King James Bible. Looked in my Strong's Concordance. In the Hebrew & Greek text, there is no word for homosexuality.

@jasonb4321

8 ай бұрын

Billy has some interesting ideas. Neville Goddard also has some interesting ideas on interpreting scripture.

@mythvision , my understanding always took me to "the generation that sees THE BEGINNING of these apocalyptic things *will not pass before it all being fulfilled*", THEN the end will come...EG: WW2 holocaust survivors' GENERATION will see birth pangs>end of days. The tough thing about this is, it appears as if the whole world is in "lockstep" with tribulation, for the first time, although it's looked that way to countrymen under fire relatively for...ever...

@edwardmiessner6502

9 ай бұрын

Perhaps but it also looks like the tribulation with which the world and even the biosphere are in lockstep is about to come up snake eyes.

@sparkuri

8 ай бұрын

@@edwardmiessner6502 William Cooper used to speak on this as a self-fulfilling prophecy by the elite to wield full control over man. "There is a cabal both seemingly wrote a prophecy to fulfill it, and gain dominance over the psyche as any animal in its kingdom"

The moment that ended my 30 years of faith was standing behind the deacon reading the gospel, holding the processional cross, hearing the words of Jesus saying "when you have a celebration, dont invite your friends or dignitaries: invite the poor the lame and the sick. Then you will have treasure in heaven" I was earnestly trying to figure out how I, a member of church leadership (vestry) could lead the church in applying this teaching. Suddenly I looked around and realized that no one else cared. My next question was "if the people all around me who professed to follow Christ, including family, friends and church members, if they didnt care... why should I?" I felt like such a fool. Like the Kafka quote about realizing life was a masquarade, but that he'd shown up with his true face. I cared about what no one else did, to the benefit of no one. I finished my term on the vestry, and i dearly miss church life, I realized that Christianity had been a totally harmful influence on me my entire life. My feeling is that any religion can be a medicine in small doses, but too much is a poison. I left, and Ive never felt better or had a better handle on my life. For the first time, i feel that im allowed to put myself first and succeed and feel good, instead of take up my cross, die to myself and follow a faith that never seems to deliver on its promises to care for the poor and weak. Some will always say "those who put their hand on the plough and turn back are unworthy to be a disciple." But i contend that the meek, conpromised faith that most christians practice doesnt even constitute "putting their hand to the plough." If Ive turned my back on Christ, its only because, unlike the vast majority of Christians, I actually stood to face him.

Brother, as you have left Christianity, how about joining Islam? Please kindly consider I am waiting😊

Whenever the clergyman were ask about the contradictions in the Bible, all they could say was....just believe.