Thank you for posting this much needed unveiling. I have lived in Woodland Park for over 30 years and was introduced to AW back in the early 80's. Our family moved to Woodland Park in 1986. At that time, I just loved AW and his teaching. After the ministry moved to Woodland Park, I noticed a change and the extravagant spending. Slowly I realized something was terribly wrong. Thank you for this validation. I still need it once in a while especially after lossing alot of friends because I have apparently fallen from grace. Your testamony just help me know that I'm not "against God's annointed" but like Paul we need to expose darkness.

I met AWMI and Andrew 14 years ago, by that time I was willing to attend CBC, and praying for provision, one day the Lord spoke to me , He said to my heart, You are not going there, if you want to preach my Gospel, don't go there, I was shocked!! Immediately the Lord said, Wolves are coming against Andrew, they'll destroy the ministry. That morning I was wondering if what I heard was real. The Gospel Ttuth magazine was delivered in my home the day after, I opened it as usually , and found a disturbing announcement, Creflo was a guest speaker, it was crystal clear to me, yes Wolves were about to introduce all sort of false teachings, and Creflo was one of those, in 2017 was my last visit to CBC , and I noticed all sort of false christians working for AWMI being promoted to high positions, it was really disturbing, the Lord was rigth. Then I saw Duplantis, Jerry García, and many other false teachers and money lovers polluting the doctrine and Andrew's ministry. Do they have some great teachings? Yes they do! But mixed up with heresies, and also evil people already took important positions there. It was hard for me to realize a loved ministry turned into an ordinary and cheap WOF ( or wolf !) ministry. But the Lord was right. Now I can confirm for the 20th time , the Lord was rigth and it was great not to attend CBC but staying safely under God's care. God is good, and I think you're right Deborah. Doctrine has being slowly corrupted.

It sounds like Charis has a lot of management issues but they have nothing to do with the invaluable teachings of Andrew Wommack. Based on what you shared, a safer route will be to focus on Andrew’s teachings while taking extra precautions with activities conducted by other staff. Praying that God refine the school as it grows exponentially and needs more ‘quality control’ just like any fast growing organizations.

@bbeard7

23 күн бұрын

Norman Vincent Peale wrote the book the Power of Positive Thinking that WOF love to preach and teach on. He was a heretic, embraced Mormonism, and was a 33rd degree Mason. He mixed christianity with Psychology. Womack and the clan teach his doctrines and I challenge anyone who disagrees to look him up. WOF uses texts out of context to confirm their teachings all the time. Read the Word in context and you will not be deceived. I was in WOF for over a decade and the Lord showed me how deceptive this practice and teaching is.

@staceyk722

22 күн бұрын

He does have valuable teachings, but he also condones inappropriate, disrespectful behavior, and shames anyone that has a problem with it. He is the leader, and should be standing up for what is right. He is not. I pray that he will have revelation and make changes. If you’ve never been a student, you may not ever see this. This is not shown at all on TV or KZread…

@networthassoc2006

17 күн бұрын

@@bbeard7may I please please ask for you to be a bit more specific and say what exactly is deceptive teaching by AW? I just need to know the unbiblical teachings that is being preached

@bbeard7

16 күн бұрын

@@networthassoc2006 I'm talking about WOF in general... they all speak out of context... Jesus did not teach on visualization, power of positive thinking, he didn't go around speaking confessions over and over so that it would become real on the inside of him, and neither did Paul. For starters, Kenneth Copeland uses Philippians 2:5 out of context to preach and believe that he is equal with God. This is one example of a false prophet, a wolf in sheep's clothing, and many other instances these WOF clan like to tickle the ears of the lustful. Read Philippians in context. The mind Paul is describing is the mind of a servant. Let this mind be in you which is in Christ Jesus.. the humble mind even though he knew he was equal with God he took the form of a servant. Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, (tell me who is more conceited than Jessie Duplantis or Kenneth Copelands clan} Let each one esteem others better than himself. Look out for the interests of others not your own. Humble yourself to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Womack approves of all these WOF teachers including Todd White that says he hasn't sinned in 18 years. Come on now.... Todd has said some blasphemous stuff like Jesus became a pedofile on the cross, was beastiality on the cross and other perverted teaching.. He shouldn't be allowed to teach..OK.. hope you get it. . Shalom

Why would they be pushing anyone to dredge up memories? In Christ you're a new creation. Charis preaches healing in Christ. Forcing someone to disclose their past when many people have experienced emotional healing in Christ from their pasts. This is a very odd practice imo.

@annamachalska762

22 күн бұрын

Many narcissistic people hide in the church and many of them crave fame so Andrew Wommack Ministry is a great place for people like that. They use many tactics and can fool many leader. Wolfes are among us.

@kickwhite5397

22 күн бұрын

I believe Andrew and others there to be genuine teachers of the Word of God however, the enemy can use anyone anywhere, no matter what the building or the people in it look like.

Was this Charis in Colorado or an extension campus? I currently attend Charis the main campus in Colorado and it has been the most amazing experience of my life. This must be an extension campus in the Country she lives. I am getting amazing bible teaching.. I have no idea what she is actually talking about..

@justbrowsing8675

22 күн бұрын

CO

@mikecelinaayo7656

14 күн бұрын

I totally agree with you sister.

I have been watching your teachings on Healing Journeys Today for the last few years, even as recent as this week. So much so that I took notes on each teaching about a month ago. You have such an anointing on your life and gifted teaching ability. I hope your teachings on that platform and elsewhere will still be provided. I pray for you and your family. Much love to you all from Louisiana.

Love bombing is a narcissistic trait. I know from experience how hard it is when you know something is “off” but no one will listen. Praying for you and your family and any other students affected.

@Thankful305

22 күн бұрын

SAME!! I am 3min in and my heart knows exactly what she’s talking about. May the Lord reward her for everything she’s been through. Now, gotta finish watching I will probably update this comment

I am so sad to hear this. So many times ministries get too big. They forget about loving others and loving God

Sad. Why is the woman teaching at Charis? Who hired her? What oversight is there with how she taught? One bad egg...

@annamachalska762

22 күн бұрын

It's Elizabeth Muren, the wolf

in any ministry there can be abuses and Someone bringing it to leaderships attention then they refuse to listen to the whistle blowers is wrong. it should ALWAYS be investigated. ALWAYS

Fair enough. You went through something that wasn’t good at Charis. I don’t understand why people get online and air all of their dirty laundry to the whole world. I don’t think this is wise. I went to Charis bible college on the Gold Coast. I had great experiences and also not so great ones. I didn’t agree with everything they did or taught. I could easily go online and share all this but I don’t think it’s right.

@kellentia

27 күн бұрын

Given all that is happening like at IHOPKC, if there are weird things happening, we need to speak up about it so victims know their not alone. Thank you so much Deborah for your bravery in coming forward to share ❤

@cathyB3713

27 күн бұрын

there is a huge difference in not agreeing with everything taught and with experiencing spiritual abuse and manipulation at the hands of a high up leader and then nobody doing anything to stop it . This leader has also now been promoted to top positions , has her hands in every department and is continuing with her demonic antics . Very serious matter . According to Rev 2:20 these situations do not end well . Jamie is very closely involved so perhaps that is the hook she has on Andrew and co ?? There are probably 100´s who could make similar videos, Deborah has courage to speak out to protect others. A similar situation was happening at Charis on the Gold Coast . Those leaders were fired. The current leaders at Gold Coast KNOW all about this leader in CO but have decided to remain silent despite having an audience with Andrew. Why do people remain silent ? To save their own skin

@kellentia

26 күн бұрын

@@cathyB3713 absolutely right. The same thing happened at IHOPKC. I wonder it's the fruit of using teachings from William Branham, a cult leader. All of them have links back to him and now exhibit cult-like behaviours

@carolynnmarkiewicz6015

25 күн бұрын

I too went to Charis in Chicago. The things I witnessed were not to be taken likely. We should be seeking God and His Righteousness not organizations that firmly proclaim they are the right way yet have worldliness. We are in times where this is most important.

@RenA70707

25 күн бұрын

@@carolynnmarkiewicz6015 I can’t say I experienced ‘worldliness’ at Charis.

Johnny Enlow has described what you went through in detail on Elijah streams several times. Just listening to the darkness. underlying your story, I knew that you had been spiritually abused. Do not be hard on yourself. You did the right thing. Seek soul healing now so that you can be fresh and clean from all of the trash that was dumped on you. Will be praying for you.🙏🙏🙏

So sorry you went through this. Was it just the staff or Andrew himself also participating in the reasons you left? I know you say you’re not associated with his ministry but if it’s just staff at the college, I’m wondering if you have something against Andrew that people should know about. I’ve been listening to him for over 10 years

@networthassoc2006

17 күн бұрын

I hope she replies. Is it Andrew? The college or the staff?

I attend Charis presently and am enrolled in a hybrid program. My husband and I will graduate this month. In our two-year experience at Charis, we have never encountered any cult-like practices in any way. Granted, you seem to be speaking about the third year at the Charis campus in Woodland Park, CO. It seems that you have an issue with the head of the creative arts/music director in particular. It does seem strange that it was not investigated if you made a complaint. Maybe it was, not sure of course. I certainly would not lump the whole school into a problem with one director of a department. Making accusations that Charis is into mind control and possibly a cult is dangerous. There are always two sides to every story. My experience with Charis is that they are one of the best Bible colleges in the world. They are not perfect, but Andrew has led his life truly in obedience to the Word of God through many years of trials and has never left his faith in our Father God and our Lord Jesus Christ. I became a believer and born again since I was seven years old. I attended church regularly, and attended a Christian college. I am now 71 years old and have experienced much in Christianity, especially evangelical and charismatic settings. I regularly study the Word and scrutinize everything I read and listen to. I truly do not see any discrepancy in Charis’s stance on the Word of God. There may be some issues with the director you are speaking of; you seem to be focusing on this person and the fact that you did not get satisfaction from the staff at Charis regarding her behavior and direction. I will pray for this person as well as for Charis to be enlightened regarding her behavior, however, I find that Charis is very sound doctrinally and the staff as well. Like I said, there are two sides to every story. I have a hard time believing that the Lord directed you to put your story on KZread. I do not believe this will help anyone, but hinder the work of Christ Jesus, no matter your justification. You can do much damage even if you are right about the one director. It is something that should addressed, but I would not jeopardize the whole school because of their reaction or lack of.

@truthseeker632

25 күн бұрын

Are you not concerned that Andrew is inviting Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland into his ministry?

@user-hn1nh8gg6b

25 күн бұрын

@@truthseeker632 No, I’m not.

@truthseeker632

25 күн бұрын

Even the world can see Benny Hinn is a heretic!

@JPAX.

25 күн бұрын

Victim blaming again… you Charis and AWMI lovers are so good at that 🤔🤔

@user-hn1nh8gg6b

25 күн бұрын

@@JPAX. This has nothing to do with victim blaming. Did you attend Charis at anytime?

I hope others can speak up if bad teachers are actually at the school. This will hurt so many believers who look to these ministries for a deep understanding of the full gospel

It sounds like someone stopped praying for who should be coming to teach at college and as a result the enemy got a foot hold in college. Acts 6:2-3

@c.marmion8430

23 күн бұрын

Yes, the enemy gets everywhere even in the churches 😕

Jesus doesnt gaslight ..... run away and dont look back ....🎉

Why do people feel the need to go to Bible College in the first place..? We all have access to God's Word for ourselves, and He didn't make it complicated so that even the most simple minded of people can understand it. Ok, it may take reading over and over to grasp the meaning of certain verses which we initially aren't able to comprehend, but the holy spirit helps us to understand.

@justbrowsing8675

24 күн бұрын

I see your point and kind of agree with you, unless someone is wanting to pursue a ministry or perhaps begin a church. However, I don’t believe Charis is teaching a full scope of the Bible as far as that is concerned but that is my opinion only (God forgive me if I am speaking in error). I think one of the big draws to Andrew’s ministry has been healing. One of the things I’ve heard him say many times is students go to Charis and sit under the word everyday for a couple of years and receive physical healing, for those who may be faced with a health challenge. But from one of Deborah’s messages on here is that this doesn’t seem to be quite the case anymore, for whatever reason many are not seeing healing. I think a lot has changed there and she is pointing out issues.

@c.marmion8430

23 күн бұрын

​@@justbrowsing8675Thanks for your comment, and I agree that it's very good that all these issues which obviously exist at Charis are being exposed. As for one of Andrew Womack's reasons for suggesting people attend his Bible college, ie: 'to sit under God's Word for a few years in order to get healed' I would challenge him on that by quoting the scriptures regarding healing. For example, Matthew Chapter 9 v 29 says: Then He (Jesus) touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith [your trust and confidence in My power and My ability to heal] it will be done to you.” And in Luke chapter 8 v 48 Jesus said to the woman who had the issue of blood for 12 years who touched the hem of his garment: 'Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.' Matthew Chapter 17 v 21 says: 'Some things only go out by prayer and fasting.' So we see that God's Word tells us that healing comes by faith in most cases, whereas in other cases it needs prayer and fasting. Nowhere does it say: Spend thousands of dollars to go to Bible college in order to get healed...' I would suggest that a better use for all that money would be to spend it on more worthy causes such as feeding the poor. Just my opinion, based on God's Word. God bless.

@karendueck2895

22 күн бұрын

@c.marmion8430 I totally agree with you. My pastor was the best Canada had. He didn’t go to Bible school or seminary, but was the most educated man of God, Holy Spirit filled and extremely knowledgeable of the Bible. Unfortunately we lost him to sickness but our church is thriving because It’s all about Jesus and putting Him first.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

It IS lovebombing. We need to be more worried about what God says about us instead of valuing some teacher who is encouraging feelings over what the word of God. Our feelings will mislead us. Even Andrew talks about how he didn’t allow another minister’s opinion to affect him. God’s word tells us to be careful to not allow anyone to deceive you. It’s our responsibility to seek out the truth and question when it doesn’t line up with God’s word. God wants us to confront questionable practices that harm others, including the body of Christ. ”“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭15‬-‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/114/mat.18.15-20.NKJV

You obviously have good discernment and it sounds like this individual needs to be dealt with. I’m so sorry for all your family has been through, it sounds very traumatic. Praying for you all 😥🙏

Thank you so much for sharing. You have confirmed what I have also felt. I believe Charis has a lot of good teachings, and a lot of great instructors. However, in my opinion, there are some real issues with leadership, as well as inappropriate, disrespectful behavior that is being condoned. I will not be attending the second year. It’s a shame, because a lot of the teaching is really good. I have been praying for Andrew to have revelation, and make some changes.

Would you please give us the author of “Combatting Cult Mind Control “ and publisher? Thanks!!

@user-dj5yg8qk2r

22 күн бұрын

Steven Hassan - not sure of the spelling

The leader sounds like my narcissist sister who happens to be in 'theater'!! Theater/entertainment is rife with narcissists.

Too bad it was not a good teacher for the Department. I have seen this in the Secular World, Control and Manipulation. I was an aspiring Christain Actor / Choreographer. The Secular Schools act like what you are describing. In my opinion, this should not be allowed at a Bible College.

Norman Vincent Peale wrote the book the Power of Positive Thinking that WOF love to preach and teach on. He was a heretic, embraced Mormonism, and was a 33rd degree Mason. He mixed christianity with Psychology. Womack and the clan teach his doctrines and I challenge anyone who disagrees to look him up. WOF uses texts out of context to confirm their teachings all the time. Read the Word in context and you will not be deceived. I was in WOF for over a decade and the Lord showed me how deceptive this practice and teaching is.

@sherrybendall5817

23 күн бұрын

You, obviously do know the true Word of God.

Andrew wommack teachings has been a blessing for us. God is watching every one.

This sounds like brain washing or spiritual abuse....I am so glad I decided not to go there. 😮😢

WT?? Seriously. THANK YOU for being honest & transparent about this. I find it interesting you said Sunday you knew the time had come. That might have been for my daughter (obviously as well as other parents) she was planning on 3rd year in music & arts. I would have assumed that there was some bible school type curriculum to teach/lead people in making Godly entertainment. But I believe you. You are not a dramatic person. You have been steady thru the years I have watched you. I cannot thank you enough for taking this on & telling what really happened. In being 💯 honest. The 2 years my daughter has had with hybrid school has been a blessing and she has grown. But no way this new age cult like mess will be forced on my kid. I pray you & your family find peace. Thank you again for speaking out and being honest.

Thank you Deborah for your bravery to come forward with your story❤

Definitely cultic. They are not supposed to drill you on your past. They are not phycologist. Totally incorrect. That is control.

Hi Deborah, I am praying healing for your heart.

Deborah! I am very grateful that you shared this, I am really touched and feel your pain. My whole heart is with you and your family. God bless you for what you are doing! This is manipulation and not love. I agree with you. "Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

This is very brave. Thank you so much.

I graduated a different Charis location and have never experienced what you're sharing. If it is true what you're sharing then no school is perfect and hopefully Andrew fixes it but otherwise I wouldn't be putting down all Charis Bible College that is so wonderful and helps so many people.

I was a Method trained actress in NY in my younger life and what you described are typical acting class exercises and techniques, including reinforçing a sense of confidentiality and safety while making oneself vulnerable emotionally. Perhaps this was worldly, or different than what you had expected, but I'm not sure it warrants publicly trying to slander the ministry. Andrew is no stranger to being accused of cultism and probably wouldn't give such accusations much weight. Unfortunate if there were ungodly or un-Christ like attitudes or behavior, but in my many years of experiences in various Churches and witnessing plenty of surprising and ungodly behavior or conversations of leadership, I would never consider publicly airing any of it. Prayer and trusting the Lord to deal with cleansing His house has always proven to me to be effective and keeping within the love of God, love of the brethren, and unity of the Body.

@MManAt56

24 күн бұрын

So whistleblowers should not air their very real experiences to the world in an attempt to bring about awareness and change? Also, it is possible that this IS how God is dealing with it -- asking Deborah to raise awareness and put a voice of opposition against abuse out there. Prayer and trust alone didn't drive the money changers out of the Temple -- action based on the foundation of said prayer and trust did.

That class sounds horrible. I wouldn't have lasted a day.

Sometimes you have leaders that are narcissistic or lead poorly, but that doesn’t mean this is all of Charis Bible college. I hope you find peace and healing. Bless you

I've been following you for years and was greatly encouraged by your book. I greatly respect what you are saying. You're a brave lady!!!

What the heck does any of this have to do with the bible? I hear enough garbage in the world. I do not want to hear this when I pay thousands for a bible based education. I am so glad to hear this before I spend my money there. Thank you!

Was anything based on the Bible at this Bible college?

Apparently, Andrew (Wommack) must have been too busy to be aware of this problem of his school. He is a great teacher and wouldn't have let this happen (if he were in your classroom).

@truthseeker632

25 күн бұрын

It was brought to his attention and he has done nothing about it

@thethroneroom8805

25 күн бұрын

@@truthseeker632 I graduated frm Charis.. no college Bible or any other graduated out of secular as well.. One thing I can say about Andrew, he is a true man of God. He can’t answer for anyone else, Jamie included. He’s easy to talk to..moves in the gifts so he does have discernment as well. I experienced unfair behavior towards me as well from a leader.. who accused me of something I didn’t do.. but when I chose to cry out to God.. he heard and delivered me and another student came to my aid and was led by the Lord to help me pay for something I did not do. You see there will be many tests, we will be treated wrongly.. Yes by other believers and some are leaders. It’s called dying to self. I ended up being blessed, by God favored and ordained. And I got flack about that from a jealous student. Who got straightened by another leader.. It’s crazy I know. If I may say this.. to the reader.. If we will leave all judgement, maltreatment etc..to our Lord Jesus he will vindicate in his time, and your flesh will be crucified and the resurrected life of the Lord will grow in you and shine out of you. Listen please today it’s you.. tomorrow it will be someone else our battle is not with flesh n blood but against powers and principalities. The devil will use ANYONE to throw You off track. Keep on your armor.. use your weapons, keep marching forward because guess what Beloved UNTIL we are dead to that particular test we will get to repeat it until we pass it. I know all the staff back then and I can say.. carnality doesn’t fall off you when you get promoted.. if not dealt with it gets worse. Keep your eyes on Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. You won’t be sorry if you heed these words. These words are to encourage. If Jesus being our example got his knickers in a knot.. it would have been a constant.. But he passed up that “opportunity” went to the Cross died as US for US and WON THE VICTORY FOR YOU & ME! THE BRIDE HAS MADE HERSELF READY!! Get ready Jesus is COMING! Our King Bridegroom‼️ GLORY TO GOD‼️

@judylin1324

25 күн бұрын

@@truthseeker632 Apparently, Andrew was not in the classroom. He has taught against being ‘self centered’ and against ‘feelings and emotions’ , which is completely against what Deborah’s instructors did.

@kencondron1990

24 күн бұрын

lol

@MManAt56

24 күн бұрын

@@judylin1324 Just because he wasn't in the classroom doesn't mean he abdicates responsibility for it. He chose that Instructor to begin with. It also sounds like you're insinuating that Deborah is lying about this.

I thought it was a bible school? This sounds like a community drama class, not bible study. I am confused as I really like Andrew's teaching..

@karenfrey9885

25 күн бұрын

He has business courses and also drama classes

@iDelta77

23 күн бұрын

​@@karenfrey9885third year also have politic course and videography

Man, talk about taking your mind off Jesus and onto one's self and all our weaknesses, that does not sound like a Bible college does it? There is tapping into your emotions to act but the bottom line is still we are in Jesus, and He has set us free and His love constantly surrounds us and it NEVER fails. Thank you for sharing. I took CBC first year online over 6 years ago, and it was invaluable to me as it established me more in God and who I am in Christ. I thought it was just me but over the past few years it seems to me that the Bible college is different and it makes me sad.

@justbrowsing8675

23 күн бұрын

I can relate. I took about 4 online courses around 6 years ago also. I got nothing out of it

Does Andrew know this? Every person should be brought in and have healing prayers over them.

@MManAt56

22 күн бұрын

Deborah uploaded a video "Does Andrew know?" So yes, he does.

$ 5,000.00 ? -- WOW ! Money, money, money. Sounds like a cult leader. Rev. Womack should take action.

The people who choose social media to talk about their personal matters will not find answers, especially someone identify herself as a Christian. On a personal note; I would first sort this matter with the collage I was at, I would leave it if I my requirements aren't met and pursue studying elsewhere. In my heart I find it weird when someone appear on social platform to solve an issue. Was anyone able to solve your issue here?

@christianwyatt1828

24 күн бұрын

I know Andrew is very busy about to start his channel. Maybe she could not talk to him or his wife Jamie

@noemibarrios4056

24 күн бұрын

Good point I just started watching this so I will see here and leave a comment

@noemibarrios4056

24 күн бұрын

This is bizarre I don’t think Andrew Womack would have allowed this kind of weird teaching if he knew about this.

@MManAt56

24 күн бұрын

Whistleblowing on the internet solves far more issues than you think nowadays, and people do find answers. Deborah did try to sort it out at the College, and they didn't listen. And she did leave. Everyone appears on social media to solve issues, this isn't out of the ordinary.

@MManAt56

24 күн бұрын

@@noemibarrios4056 Except he does know. Deborah's video "Does Andrew know?" explains this.

This is sad and I feel how that must have felt! It feels wrong

Im not going to judge i like Andrew Wommack Ministry , no place is perfect, learn to forgive and move on, i sure hope all things work out for you in the end.

@MManAt56

24 күн бұрын

Just because a place isn't perfect doesn't excuse people of their actions. Forgiving and moving on without raising awareness of abuse doesn't solve the issue.

@flomakayla4926

24 күн бұрын

Yaaaas 🙌

@justbrowsing8675

24 күн бұрын

@@flomakayla4926 sweep it under the rug, huh?

@annamachalska762

23 күн бұрын

At least she cares for other Brother and Sisters that are silenced, shamed, blamed and abused. Forgiving doesn't mean moving on. If someone will abuse you, why don't u just forgive and move on? People are traumatized there by people that should care the most in a place that should be safe. Got it?

@AbideNowinJesus

23 күн бұрын

”“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭15‬-‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/114/mat.18.15-20.NKJV

This class sounds wordly, if not downright demonic. I would want no part of it and someone needs to look into it for the sake of all students.

Prophets do that , like U❤

I am watching this series and waiting to see if there was no other way to handle or sort out these issues you are raising.

@kellentia

26 күн бұрын

All options were exhausted. This is her last resort to warn to sheep instead of hoping the "shepherds" change

Let Us Never Under Estimate the Power of Divine Intervention. Satan Always Oversteps.. ❤GOD❤WINS❤AMEN❤

Perhaps they should listen to you and do a quality control on their instructors to make sure there is no awful behavior going on forgive that person but know that you can pray for them and God will intervene

That “leader” was forcing students to share their deepest, most painful experiences in order to make them feel vulnerable, and to easily manipulate and control them. Wow. As Charis has become more “popular” and wealthy over the years, I have also noticed a lot of strangeness and cult like qualities, just watching their services. I do not watch AWMI or it’s current members anymore. I am so glad you are sharing the truth, and of course the lack of accountability that they have had. I always enjoyed your testimonies in the past, Mrs Deborah. You are a strong, loving, genuine, intelligent, and kind woman. You are WORTHY of respect and love. God bless you and your family 💜💙

@goscott2

28 күн бұрын

This isn't true. I was part of and graduated from this program in 2022. No one is FORCED to share their feelings and this is not a cult.

@JPAX.

27 күн бұрын

@@goscott2 Just because you did not personally experience this does not mean it did not happen to others. And just because you may not care what happened to others, does not mean that those people do not deserve respect and care.

@sunnydayzie1202

27 күн бұрын

​@@goscott2I love Charis teaching but honestly you cannot discount someone elses experience

@MManAt56

25 күн бұрын

@@goscott2 The last Creative Arts class graduated in 2021 and was then scrapped, so you couldn't have graduated from that program in 2022 -- because it did not exist.

@goscott2

23 күн бұрын

@@sunnydayzie1202 - True but you also can't discount MY experience either. I have been a part of multiple productions there. I'm not discounting what she said and she obviously had a bad experience. It happens. I'm just saying that it's not some completely evil program the way she has described it.

It sounds like that instructor is way off. I would not have participated with that and it sounds demonic. I saw some of that mumbo jumbo in my public school teaching career. The 'circle'-yuck. However, I would not condemn the whole college bc of the particular instructor.

I always imagined that at bible college it was all about digging into the bible more deeply... 😢

How is campaining against Carrie Pickett going to help

How very sad to hear you say this, Deborah, on You Tube. I am a 15 year employee of AWMI in only a clerical position (by my choice). But I have been accepted, loved, supported, and healed by this ministry! I also experienced (at a different ministry) correction because I did not respect it's leaders. It was painful, and took me literally years to get over, but the Lord helped me to understand that respecting leadership is tough sometimes and obedience is better than sacrifice. Nevertheless, I have never been forced to do anything at that ministry. I have been treated better there than anywhere else in 25 years of business experience. I love Andrew Wommack Ministries, and do not agree with your assessment of the situation. You are holding up a book that you have underlined about cults. A man-made book. Now, if you had held up the BIBLE with IT underlined....I might have had some respect. I take this quite personally because the movie that "the director" made which stars your very own son, has been the venue that has healed my distorted views of Jesus more than anything else made or said by man. When you described the class exercise of identifying the negative emotions in their hearts, I couldn't help but think that this is how the screenwriting that the director did must have touched my heart so well. I believe she was looking for people who would dig deep and be honest about human emotions starting with their own, and write it, thus teaching her class. It worked for me thanks to her identification of feelings and your very own son's talent at portraying them. I literally want to cry as I see how you are shattering the effects of this wonderful portrayal of Jesus that Tim did. Mostly, what about the MILLIONS of people that this ministry has helped have a better relationship with God? How many people will read these things that you disagree with, not give AWMI a chance, and lose the opportunity, God forbid, maybe their only chance at having a real relationship with God? Even one person is too many. Think I am exaggerating? As of this writing, there are 6.8K views on this post alone that you have made and only 112 likes. In 12 years in Colorado, my husband and I owned a large house and boarded Charis Bible College students. Over 200 of them. Some of them left school early for various reasons, but NONE left and publicly defamed the ministry. Not one. None who left early blamed the ministry for their exit. I sincerely hope you will take this series down immediately, for the sake of people who do not understand deeper spiritual things. I pray for your healing.

@truthseeker632

21 күн бұрын

There are plenty of people who have had the same experience as Deborah as seen in the comments in all the videos.

@karynfischer525

20 күн бұрын

Very well said. I wholeheartedly agree!

@cathyB3713

20 күн бұрын

just like many other you have been deceived by Elizabeth and her antics, you would think you would have more discernment .Also just because many people are blessed by a ministry this does not justify spiritual abuse , not even if it is just 1 person !!

@annamachalska762

20 күн бұрын

I hope Deborah WILL NOT take those videos down. She is doing what God is telling her. Darkness doesn't want to come out to light so that was obvious that some people will try to degrade Deborah's and many others experience. This is what spiritual blindness does to people: you see abuse, you hear about abuse but you are blaming the victim and trying to silence. May God show you right path Darling.

@justbrowsing8675

19 күн бұрын

Respect should be a two way street between employer and employee, whether it’s corporate America or a Christian ministry, even more so though in a ministry I would argue. I am so tired of hearing about “leadership” over the past decade or so from these ministries as if leadership is something people are supposed to bow down to or blindly give allegiance. I have heard way too many so called teachings on that and it is simply ridiculous. Yes, respect “leaders” because they are your employer and it is also biblical to show respect and put others before ourselves, but true leaders lead by example, not because you are supposed to respect them. I would also argue, from my experience, that there are many who are in a leadership position that simply should not be in those positions. Further, since you acknowledge that the ministry has helped millions, which I agree, then why would you lose any sleep over a few videos with (at the time I am viewing) has a little over 8k views. That is minuscule in comparison to the overall reach of the ministry. As far as the 112 likes, a viewer has to be logged in to Google to like and comment and many are viewing without being logged in or simply just not liking or disliking. To me, that is irrelevant.

I know this had to be so hard for you to share, Deborah. Thank you for your honesty and transparency. This is chilling to hear.

Are you talking about Carrie? The red head?

@MManAt56

24 күн бұрын

She's talking about Elizabeth Muren, who was in charge of Creative Arts and is now Director of the Film and Production School, and also the Executive Director of Charis Arts and Media.

@cathyB3713

24 күн бұрын

she is talking about ELIZABETH MUREN who has now been promoted to `Executive director of ALL media etc 🙄🙄🙄

@c.marmion8430

23 күн бұрын

She mentions the name 'Carrie' in one or two of her 4 part exposé on Charis College, which you can find on her channel.

@iDelta77

23 күн бұрын

​@@c.marmion8430she mentioned Carrie because on 2021 she asked for her money back and Carrie declined. Andrew finally gave her money back. International student do not have the option of paying monthly also International student are not allowed to work. She moved from UK to USA therefore you need to consider the moment she arrived she need to shell out money for accomodation, car, and one whole lump sum of the 5000 usd school fee. (Times 2, there were 2 of them) 2021 was a difficult year for Andrew. He had legal issues and also the college needs to finalize their loan for building the parking garage. The college do not have much cash.

@annamachalska762

20 күн бұрын

Carrie is BFF with Elizabeth Muren. That explains a lot :)

So we can only assume Jesus was not brought in as the healer in all of this … ?

The creative arts department were teaching what they learned in secular drama school which I believe is not appropriate in Bible school. Deborah has valid concerns about this curriculum and Andrew should take time to study their teaching methods and address legit concerns. No organization, college or university is perfect. There will be system flaws, inadequacy in addressing concerns. But gaslighting should have no place in Charis. Love, respect, understanding, compassion and putting the students' welfare above theirs should be utmost priority.

@goscott2

28 күн бұрын

You're in error. Unless you were part of the Creative Arts department, then you dont really know. I know this department in detail and can confirm that they do in fact teach Godly methods of acting and performing.

@cathyB3713

27 күн бұрын

@@goscott2 if you know this department so well you must not have any spiritual discernment as you are blind to what is going on there ! Rev 2.20

@MManAt56

25 күн бұрын

@@goscott2 Wrong -- the Creative Arts Department ceased to exist after the graduation of 2021, and according to another of your comments, you claim to have graduated from that program in 2022 -- which isn't possible because it didn't exist.

@goscott2

23 күн бұрын

@@MManAt56 - I graduated from the 1st ever "Film and Production" school of 2022. Yes the Creative Arts track as it was known before ceased to exist BUT we learned the EXACT SAME Curriculum for Performing and Writing in Film and Production. They simply took all of the curriculum from Creative Arts and combined it with the Media school to create "Film and Production".

@goscott2

23 күн бұрын

@@cathyB3713 - Have you attended this 3rd year course? Are you putting yourself in the position of God and passing judgment for something you don't know except through heresay? If so, it might be a good idea for you to refrain from commenting.

Charis Bible College love ❤️ loved my relationship since 2007 since being a partner and started my college career with Charis in 2021 I have just finished Ministry School my 3year. And my life has changed and will continue to change. In Charis Bible College it all about developing your relationship with Christ 🎉and I am going to enjoy my graduation ceremony tomorrow.

I’m listening

I trust andrew wommack.He is a man of GOD.

@justbrowsing8675

22 күн бұрын

I’ve followed Andrew for two decades. Love him also but it seems so many new faces at his ministry may have caused things to get off track

Im confused. This is a Bible College? Where is the Word of God? Focus on the students, instead of Jesus? Goes sgainst God and His teachings. Satan's lie that we should be glorified, instead of our Maker. Run away anyone who attends and repent to save your souls.

Is it the spirit of God that led you here Deborah?....I am not saying this hasn't happened but I am wondering why you're putting this out here knowing these are your brothers and sisters in Christ. Whats the point of doing this. To make people aware??? I understand you're hurt and our hurt we should take to the Lord and allow him to heal. I am praying for both you and Charis.

@sunnydayzie1202

27 күн бұрын

People pay money to go to Charis to be taught. Having an instructor calling students "a class of losers" behind their back needs to be known. Would you want to go to a school like that? This is very very troubling because I love the teachings.

@kellentia

27 күн бұрын

Need to warn people of wolves!

@donnaleveron5711

26 күн бұрын

​@@italiaduncanson6808I reccomend reading the New Testament completely, you will see error called out frequently. Paul did not hesitate to warn others and named them.

@fullypersuaded2952

24 күн бұрын

Matthew 18:15-17. When dealing with it in private doesn’t work, we take it before others to see. Most with discernment will stay away from that ministry anyway, however, some need more guidance and I appreciate her sharing this.

So very strange.

@c.marmion8430

23 күн бұрын

No, not strange actually...😢 I have, sadly, experienced 'Christians' in leadership who have used psychological tactics on their congregation in order to control them. There is gross abuse of the positions that people hold in many churches ☹️.

Acts 19:1-7 getting Biblicaly born again ❤❤

Acts2:38❤

I suggest you examine you heart, is there hurt or hardening of heart which this person or all the events during this time reminds you of. You had the choice to leave the course as soon as things looked strange to you ❤

???

A. W. Is twisting scripture.... so is it Gods work? That's the first question I ask myself sinds my aunt started sending me his books in Dutch.... Finally I have burned them all! Sorry... I am reacting before wachting these other 3 video's. 😶 I can start saying that you are so brave♡

I’m so saddened to hear you speak against the ministry. I understand that you are trying to expose someone but usually when something needs exposed, God will bring it to the light. This could cripple their ministry when Andrew Wommack has faithfully served God his whole life. I feel like you’re planting doubt in many minds and it causes one to lose hope. If this lady is as you say, this is very sad, but God will take care of her without you trying to do it. I’m sorry but I feel like this will hurt much more than help. Prayers for all involved. God will call her out. 🙏🏻

@justbrowsing8675

20 күн бұрын

God uses people. Perhaps he is using Mrs. McDermott to call her out, as you say.

@cathyB3713

20 күн бұрын

you have it completely backwards , what is happening IS crippling the ministry !! it will only get worse. I personally have so many friends who have left ; really good solid people but they could no longer work for Andrew , no longer agreed/supported the ministry's very changed focus

I think if you attend school, church or group by choice. I don’t think anyone is locked in. Do join to please people. I think it’s better to know what you’re looking for, if you don’t get it where you go in the first place, it’s better to try elsewhere. You don’t need to explain why since you don’t inform everyone as you are doing now when you don’t get what you expected. When Elijah was eating from the ravens, he never complained how dirty they were. So, kindly keep it to yourself.

@MManAt56

25 күн бұрын

"Kindly keep it to yourself" - So victims of abuse should stay quiet and not raise awareness?

@JPAX.

23 күн бұрын

@@MManAt56 Right? Brainwashed people are so disturbing…. 😬

This is very disturbing. I watched all videos you have posted so far. It's clear you are very bitter. What is the purpose of your goal in sharing all of this on KZread? Are you hoping to damage, expose, disparage, or embarrass the college or the course and director you are referencing? And turn as many people away from attending? You received a FULL refund of your tuition! What good can come from airing your grievances? As Andrew says, "if you're looking for something wrong, we've got something for you!" If you look hard enough and long enough you'll find something wrong with anything and anyone. I understand you didn't have a good experience and felt things weren't right but you weren't forced to do any of the activities. You could have just left. They're just human. Nobody and NO college or church is perfect. It's not for everyone. It wasn't a good fit for you. You need to ask God to heal your heart, pray for the instructor and forgive and move on. We're in a spiritual war. Offences will come. It's how you handle them. Just go and live your life, let God deal with Charis, Andrew, this instructor, or whatever is needed at Charis. They aren't perfect and neither are you! It's not helping to post here! You are already turning potential students away from Charis. Is this the fruit you want when you meet Jesus? He's aware of what is going on! God can deal with ANY wrongdoing. And accusing Charis of being a cult is very serious. I was in a cult. This is NOT a cult, sorry. I saw much worse grievances but in time it all got sorted out in the end. You don't need to force the issue. “And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.” Acts‬ ‭5‬:‭38‬-‭39‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Better to err on the side of forgiveness and grace toward those who are have wronged you. Life is full of things that we don't like. It's our reaction to those things that we have a choice in and must be led by God's Word and His Spirit, not the spirit of offence. But when we are so hurt, it's often difficult to deal with the situation (as you go deeper into delving into cult books trying to make some sense of it?) it can only lead to greater bitterness in your heart and do more damage by defiling others! These are very serious accusations and painting the WHOLE ministry with a very broad brush due to your problems with this instructor and your experience, you are digging very deeply into a deeper pit for yourself. I'm sorry you are so hurt and I pray the Lord will heal your heart but the first step in that direction is to FORGIVE! Corrie Ten Boom forgave the guard who contributed to her sister's death! Jesus would want you to FORGIVE. For your sake. "Follow PEACE with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: looking diligently lest any man fail of the GRACE of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up TROUBLE YOU, and thereby MANY be defiled;” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬ bible.com/bible/1/heb.12.14-15.KJV

@cathyB3713

26 күн бұрын

what a religious condescending response to spiritual abuse . Read Rev 2. 20 and see what the Bible says to do with jezebel in ministry !! it is not pretty and it is not going to be pretty . Pride comes before a fall. Look how many ministries everywhere are falling . Jesus is turning the tables

@Wlirzyna

26 күн бұрын

I am very grateful for Deborah's recordings. She published them two years after the events. IMO, she formally did a lot to clarify the matter. In her opinion, nothing has changed. You are right, thanks to her testimony, several people will not go to Charis, including my family. There is something to pray for.

@justbrowsing8675

26 күн бұрын

You have completely missed the point. This has nothing to do with offense or forgiveness. Others are corroborating the issues Deborah is addressing. Your argument that they “are just human” is utterly ridiculous and your use of scripture is ridiculous. How about the scripture that tells us that one of the two command,ents is to love thy neighbor as ourselves (1 John) and maybe to value other above ourselves, in humility (Philippians). I could go on.

@micheasz

25 күн бұрын

I understand the published materials as biblical concern for the weaker and a warning against a specific teacher who behaved like a wolf (open lying, embezzling money, persuading people to lie, manipulating, and using group work therapeutic techniques without a prior contract and without education in this field). I don't like the poor response from those responsible for students at Charis.

@cathyB3713

25 күн бұрын

@@micheasz wow you truly ``got ``what Deborah was saying ! yes the students should be the top concern as it is a bible school

All of Christianity has changed the gospel. Isaiah says because they did this, a curse will come upon the earth and few men will be left.

Andrew wommack does not preach the whole gospel

I'm with you lady...Wommack I do not like nor trust ..I would not trust him nor anything that has to do with him such as his his bible college and particularly his Healing Journeys Ministry which I believe is a CULT

After watching the first: it's even more cultish than I thought 😟

Forgive and let God. Your video is dangerous. sET A Meeting up with Andrew.

@MManAt56

22 күн бұрын

How is this video dangerous? Dangerous to who? If you'd listened to Deborah's video "Does Andrew know?", you would know that she made her concerns known to him and he did nothing about it. Also, nobody can just "set a meeting up with Andrew."

@justbrowsing8675

22 күн бұрын

Dangerous? Huh? That makes no sense

@frankwyattministries

22 күн бұрын

@@MManAt56 The sad part is that there are 2 sides to a pancake. The church you attend is not perfect correct?

What if indeed you are the one with the problem? 🤔

The only lesson I took from this is never put a woman in a position of authority. I don’t care for the story, Both the complainant and the perpetrator

@justbrowsing8675

17 күн бұрын

Blah blah

They accuse you of being a moaner and complainer so you proved them right by making a video moaning and complaining .

@justbrowsing8675

21 күн бұрын

Addressing issues that need to be exposed and changed is not moaning and complaining. That is just ridiculous.

U should not be making this video

@MManAt56

24 күн бұрын

How absurd. Comments like this enable abusers to run wild because the victims are shamed when they try to bring awareness to abuse. Shame on you.

@iDelta77

23 күн бұрын

She actually had kept this to herself since 2021!! The fact that she cannot kept it any longer does not mean that she should not speak up!

@justbrowsing8675

22 күн бұрын

Yes, injustices and abuse need to be exposed and addressed. You should not be commenting.

I believe there is a better way you could have done this. Let us not be pawns in the enemy's hand.

Should of went to Andrew W himself & told him about her. Not a true Christian. I'd still tell him about her.

@annamachalska762

23 күн бұрын

Should have watched all the videos before saying she didn't contacted Andrew. She did.

@justbrowsing8675

23 күн бұрын

She is as authentic of a Christian as they come. You should watch all the videos before passing that kind of judgment.

Why must you disparage the ministry? Just leave quietly.

@annamachalska762

23 күн бұрын

Just leave abusers to do their jobs. Who cares for other Brother and Sisters that are abused there, right? This is heart of Jesus?

@JPAX.

22 күн бұрын

Wow. Victim blaming AGAIN.

There is no place which is perfect please madam go back make peace then move on

@flomakayla4926

24 күн бұрын

100%

I am deeply troubled by your putting out all these videos. As someone here had reminded you that Andrew’s ministry was there for you and your family at a very difficult time in your life. Your choosing to do these videos is not befitting the heart of someone whose family’s lives were changed from your sons being healed. Your ability to engage and draw so many people to your channel is if I’m correct, a large part due to the platform given to you by Andrew and his ministries. You would not have this platform if it were not be for people watching your sons’ healing journey on Andrew’s ministries as well as your being on Julieann Hartman’s Healing Journeys Today. Yet you’ve used this platform to condemn and deter people away from the very ministry which has blessed you. I have watched all your videos and though I appreciate that there may be things that need to change at Charis including a framework for the leaders to have accountability and a set up for students to voice concerns, putting out these videos is not a solution. It only adds fuel to the fire, creates strife and is not edifying to the body of Christ. I see someone who wants to have her concerns validated and who chose to do this shaming and blaming in public to get that validation. Congratulations. I hope you feel better as you certainly have support from others here and in turn, you’ve alienated others like myself, whose spirit is grieved by the division in the body of Christ you have caused. Before any of the naysayers here say that by my comments that I do not care about students allegedly being abused, and what Deborah is doing is justified, I do not condone abuse/narcissistic behaviour or manipulation even in Christian colleges. However, there has to be another another way to bring light to the situation. These videos are not it. I find it very hard to believe that God told you to do this. I do not think Andrew will defend himself as he’s previously mentioned that he would not pander to his critics. I don’t know him personally and I do not think he or Charis or the instructors are perfect. They’re imperfect people with hearts wanting to serve our perfect God. The least we can do is to show grace and mercy and try to do better ourselves, pray, learn, go deeper in our relationship with God. The Holy Spirit will guide and provide a way.

@justbrowsing8675

17 күн бұрын

“There has to be another way to bring light to the situation”…….your words…..so please identify other ways as it is apparent that Mrs. McDermott has exhausted all avenues. Additionally, this is a free public platform and she is well within her rights as other KZreadrs to put out videos that are within community guidelines. I do not agree with your assessment above.

@MManAt56

6 күн бұрын

"I am deeply troubled by your putting out all these videos. As someone here had reminded you that Andrew’s ministry was there for you and your family at a very difficult time in your life. Your choosing to do these videos is not befitting the heart of someone whose family’s lives were changed from your sons being healed." --- This isn't an argument to ignore serious issues and concerns that arise within an organisation, even if that organisation has previously blessed you in the past. Ravi Zacharias blessed people, so should they ignore his abhorrent behaviour? "Yet you’ve used this platform to condemn and deter people away from the very ministry which has blessed you." --- Again, not a valid argument. Yes, Deborah is using her platform to condemn their behaviour, why shouldn't she? And yes, deterring people away from the ministry, because of what she has outlined in these videos. But to argue that because someone was blessed by something and therefore should not condemn it when it rightly deserves to be is a terrible idea -- it ultimately ends up turning into "I blessed you, so you are indebted to me, and now therefore can never say anything against me, no matter how true it may be, because I blessed you, compris?" "I have watched all your videos and though I appreciate that there may be things that need to change at Charis including a framework for the leaders to have accountability and a set up for students to voice concerns, putting out these videos is not a solution." --- These video's aren't the solution? What is, then? "It only adds fuel to the fire, creates strife and is not edifying to the body of Christ." --- Oh please, this is absurd -- if Charis is doing half the things outlined in these videos then THEY are the ones creating strife and not edifying the Body of Christ. This is a poor attempt to guilt-trip and victim-shame by equating "raising awareness of abuse" to "creating strife", "adding fuel to the fire", and "not edifying to the Body of Christ". "I see someone who wants to have her concerns validated and who chose to do this shaming and blaming in public to get that validation." --- Victim-shaming 101, right here. "Congratulations. I hope you feel better as you certainly have support from others here and in turn, you’ve alienated others like myself, whose spirit is grieved by the division in the body of Christ you have caused." --- Support from others that have also experienced the things Deborah has described. Alienation is preferable to siding with the Devil, isn't it? You accuse Deborah of causing Division in the Body of Christ, and yet all she is doing is raising awareness of abuse. Is whistleblowing the truth now called "Division"? Sounds controlling and manipulative to me. "Before any of the naysayers here say that by my comments that I do not care about students allegedly being abused, and what Deborah is doing is justified, I do not condone abuse/narcissistic behaviour or manipulation even in Christian colleges." --- Hi, naysayer here, and I call bull. If you actually cared about victims of abuse you wouldn't be writing this passive-aggressive shame-letter. "However, there has to be another another way to bring light to the situation. These videos are not it. I find it very hard to believe that God told you to do this." --- Who are you that decides what the best way is? "I do not think Andrew will defend himself as he’s previously mentioned that he would not pander to his critics." --- Passive-aggressive way to demean Deborah to a "critic". Obviously Andrew won't reply, he hates being criticised in any way. But that doesn't mean that his "critics" are always wrong. "I don’t know him personally and I do not think he or Charis or the instructors are perfect." --- Just because people are not perfect does not mean we should excuse their actions. "They’re imperfect people with hearts wanting to serve our perfect God." --- Again, imperfection does not mean abdication of responsibility and accountability. "The least we can do is to show grace and mercy and try to do better ourselves, pray, learn, go deeper in our relationship with God. The Holy Spirit will guide and provide a way." --- There's a time for grace and mercy and a time of righteous indignation at injustice. This is a flowery, Christianese statement that sounds deep and profound but is in fact surface level at best. It's a passive and ineffective method to combat abuse, and instead only enables it through silence. Praying and showing grace and mercy didn't drive the money changers out of the temple; a whip did.

cry me a river lady try being positive

@MManAt56

26 күн бұрын

Christian love and compassion at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

@justbrowsing8675

25 күн бұрын

@@MManAt56 yep, and just downright no class or character

@sunnydayzie1202

24 күн бұрын

Victim blaming. So sad. This is exactly how cult churches get a foothold. Not saying awm is a cult church but your attitude to silence someone's experience is exactly the issue of things getting out of hand in any religious organization

I like Andrew Womack. His teaching has transformed my life . I think the devil is using you. To try to mislead people from attending Charis Bible College. So that they can't get the right teaching of the word of God. As a Christian, you should learn to forgive and move on with life. Instead of putting this video on KZread, i believe you are the one with the issue here. As bein selfish

@iDelta77

23 күн бұрын

Are you even a student? She is talking about her experience at Woodland park. Were you ever been a student at Woodland park? This experience happened to her on 2021 have you ever asked why she just came out now? The intimidation she experience was very real!

@bbeard7

23 күн бұрын

Norman Vincent Peale wrote the book the Power of Positive Thinking that WOF love to preach and teach on. He was a heretic, embraced Mormonism, and was a 33rd degree Mason. He mixed christianity with Psychology. Womack and the clan teach his doctrines and I challenge anyone who disagrees to look him up. WOF uses texts out of context to confirm their teachings all the time. Read the Word in context and you will not be deceived. I was in WOF for over a decade and the Lord showed me how deceptive this practice and teaching is.

@JPAX.

22 күн бұрын

Really? So it’s important that everyone goes to Charis… Because you believe that only Andrew Wommack has the “right teaching of the word of God”? And that’s exactly the mindset of a cult!

You should not be even doing this. The Holy Spirit is not in this thing at all. You should know this.

Sorry mam, I don't buy your story. I've studied at various institutions for over 12 yrs in 4 countries & NEVER herd a story like this. As a student you had the right to go to the DEAN of student affairs or any other facilty member (even Andrew Wormack himself) to raise your conserns and would have been helped - I'm 200% sure of that.

@MManAt56

22 күн бұрын

Just because you studied at "various institutions" for long periods of time and never heard about a story like this isn't an argument to invalidate or dismiss someone else's experience. Deborah did go to the Dean of Students, AND Andrew Wommack , as told in her video "Does Andrew know?" She raised her concerns to both of them, and they did nothing about it -- you'd know this you'd watched that video before commenting. And as an ex-student, I can tell you with certainly that NO Student can just go and have a meeting with Andrew Wommack about their issues.

@justbrowsing8675

22 күн бұрын

Is it possible to actually be more than 100% of something?