This channel is top tier. Deserves way more subs / recognition.

@theTechNotice

5 ай бұрын

so is this comment!

I just want to say thank you for this video! The information I attained from it is monumental when it comes to understanding how to approach RAM when building an enthusiast PC and overclocking as a whole and all of the specifics that need to be considered when choosing between speed, capacity and 2 or 4 sticks.

@aelaan12

10 ай бұрын

I fully agree, this video should be pinned and shared. The presentation and the educational value needs to be shared.

This is on of the most interesting and informative videos on KZread. I can only imagine how difficult it was to make. Thank you!

Last month I spent about 2 days figuring this out on my newly built PC. I had random black screens and dead PC during gaming especially. While browsing solutions online, I remember watching one of your previous videos that actually talked about the compatability issue of XMP and 4 sticks DDR5 as well. That inspired me. I have 2 * 2 * 32 GB Fury stick kit + 4090 + Z790 Hero MOBO. You helped me locate the exact problem: XMP. I ran a bunch of memtest and found that none of Auto, Manual + some recommended tuning, and XMP 1 worked at all. After upgrading the BIOS to the lastest version (08xx?), I found that only XMP2 at advertised rate or Manual at factory rate worked. After setting to XMP2, all problems were gone and my PC never worked this smoothly before. Your video is EXACTLY the tour I had been through. I really hoped this life saver had come a bit earlier. Great review!

@midi002

Жыл бұрын

This is me right now. I'm on day 5.

@lightward9487

Жыл бұрын

XMP is intel gigante

@mirrienliang1561

Жыл бұрын

@@NearMedia Yes sir this is the latest version by now. At the time I checked that out, 0904 wasn't available yet. Btw, 0816 works perfectly and I am not bothered to try 0904 for potentially new trash to deal with

@mirrienliang1561

Жыл бұрын

@@NearMedia Yes sir. All tests were passed. Practically, it's been about 20 days with no black screen. No freeze. No sysfaults. Nothing. I assume it's long enough to be firm about it now.

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

4xDDR5 lowers the supported speeds. Unfortunately XMP/EXPO counts as memory overclocking so there 's CPUs that won't handle even 2xDDR5 at the advertised speeds, while over boards manage 4 DIMM configurations. I read the Gigabyite board notes and they were talking about their memory configuration avoiding drawbacks of daisy chaining. There's plenty of small server boards with ECC on the AMD side aimed at the small server market.

first of all, i was a bit scared away from a 1h41min video, but it was one of the best times spend to understand a lot of topics about memory better, than ever before. This will scale through many builds in the future!!!!

I remember JJ from waaaaay back, and it's always good to hear him share his knowledge. Fantastic discussion - thank you!

The ultimate guide indeed. This video is pure gold, countering all the misinformation and explaining clearly why 4 -v- 2 XMP stick configuratons may not give the expected results. Thank you!

I was just about to buy parts for my first build - this was the perfect course on what to look for and more importantly why! Thanks for doing it. I learned a lot and hopefully saved serious time and money!

Been doing this for the better part of 20 years and this information still fascinated me. There was good information in here that I dont recall ever learning even in school

Man! What a greatly informative, interesting, and helpful video!! This clarified a bunch of questions I’ve had for years. Thank you for such a thoughtful interview (with perfect questions) with just the right person.

I've been researching about technical difficulties with 4 sticks of DDR5. This by far provides so much information. thank you for this video.

finished the build for my wife yesterday: 13900K on a MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi with 4x 16GB Corsair (CMT32GX5M2X6200C36, 6200MHz CL36, Hynix M) running absolutly rock solid in XMP @ 6200 with latest BIOS (7D89v15). Just turned on XMP1, expected a boot loop, but it simply worked with all stress tests. Fingers crossed. Very happy.

@mehck-gk9yn

4 күн бұрын

lock the p-cores on that 13900k asap.

Kingpin did an interview explaining these things not long ago. I can't find it, otherwise I would link it. He said the same thing a lot quicker and clearer than this guy. Basically, Kingpin was saying his preference in motherboards for overlocking stability was for only 2 DIMM slots. The more slots you add, the more noise potential you introduce. The more noise, the slower the speed potential. Same with DIMMS - single sided DIMMs (or single-rank as they are also called) are capable of higher speeds than dual-rank DIMMS. (double sided). The fewer IC's on a DIMM the more stable it could/should be.

wow... I am building a PC after many many years and had so many questions regarding RAM and XMP. Your video answered almost every single question that had come to my mind and then some. I could not hit the Subscribe button fast enough. Bless you for such a detailed and informative video

Any video with JJ is gonna be a banger, definite knowledge being dropped on ya. Third of the way through the video and I'm hooked. Thanks guys for the collab.

Great Video. We always face issues with our DDR5 prebuilds with XMP profile and 4 Ram Dimm configurations (128GB). We use a combination of tools to test our prebuilds with 4 RAM DIMM configuration on XMP. The most effective one that can show the XMP issue is the Aida64 Stability Test. Sometimes we run AIDA 64 + Unigine Heaven for 20 to 30 minutes. Most Low-end Rams never get XMP performance, and we find a stable frequency by manually checking each frequency. Once again this is done for our prebuilds as stability is considered the most important aspect of our systems.

I’ve been troubleshooting game crashes for days. I reinstalled windows probably 15 times, swapped motherboards and video cards and didn’t understand why I was crashing. I had XMP enabled with 4 16 gb sticks of ram. I pulled 2 out and everything’s working great now. Now other changes were needed to the UEFI. Using ASUS Strix Z790E board. I had a 7900 XTX and returned it for a 4080. This video saved my sanity.

@MrTimmyGT

10 ай бұрын

Yea, I had same issue about a year ago but it was on an older system and one of the sticks of ram just failed. Was banging my head against the wall for the better part of a week before I decided to just get new ram and see what happens lol. Now the ram will be the 1st place I look when having random game/app crashes out of the blue

JJ has been the best spokesperson for Asus for years, always learning something new from him. Even though he works for the company, he actually gives valuable standardised info for a variety of products and situations not just Asus.

Ok, just found your video. I had XMP working on an i9-10900k, then did a bios update and i have never been able to get it to work since. So its been a couple years, im cautiously optimistic. Will update after watching.

Over 20+ years of building and upgrading PC's I've learned a lot and every day still a school day. Thanks for the video. I'm using 2x32GB 3600 DDR4 CL18. When building (Jan 2020) my current daily (3950X in the X570 AORUS MASTER). I researched different combo's (via forums/videos/websites etc) of ram kits, mobo, CPU, GPU's and compared the QVL. Which led me to this set up, its not always as simple as 'plug and play'. When dealing different PC hardware, taking time can help but sometime trouble shooting take time. Even for the most simple fixes!

I think that 'rank' can better be explained by considering the extra capacitance added to the address and data lines if the sticks are double sided (current 32gb per stick!). This extra capacitance slows down the rise and fall times of the signals as well as additional load on the IMC. Maximum RAM chip size has just jumped to 24GB allowing 48GB with two x single rank and 7200MTs (G.Skill 7200 or even 8000+ if you have an Apex M/B). I'm running the 7200 on my Asus ROG Z790 Hero and just about to start playing with faster timings 🙂). Great video BTW!

This is frikkin awesome information!!! Learnt so much

Great topic and excellent Guest. Very well versed. I don't think it a beginner video, more intemediate->enthusiasts/professionals. I was worried about the length, but he went systematically through explanation s. I learnt and added knowledge/understanding. Peace from South Africa 🇿🇦

I wish reviewers would do their first tests of CPUs while running memory at JEDEC. If that is the speed they guarantee, that is how they should be evaluated. If the CPU manufacturer thinks its "sweet spot" is 6000MT/s then they should validate the CPUs for that speed, especially if they say running XMP/ EXPO will void the warranty.

@Real_MisterSir

Жыл бұрын

It's very simple, if the advertised speed isn't the JEDEC speed, then achieving the speed with XMP does not void warranty. If they want to claim that, you can simply countersue them for fraudulent marketing and earn an easy case win. If the basis of your purchase is that XMP-enabled speed was what they advertised, then that's what is legally binding in court. However, if you use XMP to exceed the advertised speed rating on the product packaging/marketed description, then it will void warranty.

@IrocZIV

Жыл бұрын

@@Real_MisterSir Lets take AMD. They seeded reviewers with EXPO 6000MT/s sticks, claiming its the sweet spot memory. However if you look at their webpage it specifically lists DDR5-5200 2x2R or 2x1R as the Max supported memory speed. If this is all they are willing to cover under warranty/guarantee as an achievable speed, that should be what the base review uses.

@MaddJakd

11 ай бұрын

I thought it was the reviewers (both good and bad ones honestly) pointed out ages ago how finiky memeory was with the newer playforms, sonetimes not even being able to achieve what they ARE rated for given the chips themselves

I express my gratitude for an excellent tutorial. Initially, I acquired a Corsair DDR4-3600 64GB module and promptly observed that it failed to deliver the expected speed, resulting in the sluggish performance of applications and frequent crashes. Subsequently, I made an exchange for a DDR4-3200 64GB module. Upon attending an Asus BIOS class 101, I was able to optimize the settings, achieving the desired performance level.

Great content! I had a bit of trouble getting 4 sticks to post at XMP speeds, and now I understand why. I had to up the voltage to 1.45v.

There should be a notice on the box! I bought two 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 6000 kits and could not get a proper overclock no matter what I did. 4800 is just too too slow for me! Luckily I was able to return them and I bought a single 2x32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400 kit instead.

I dont do any production tasks and just stick to gaming but i do like this channel and the content made. This video 100% works for both. Definitely a great video.

Thats a ton lot of Info about NewGen RAM! I am a Average type that had a great hold of understanding about Computers but not a generally Overclocking type so this helped alot! Especially for those who understand more about how RAM and overclocking RAM works without the risk of damaging their investments blindingly. Thank you soo much to both of you keep up the good work and you have earned a subscriber! God Bless Sir!

In all my years, even with fairly aggressive overclocking the CPU is generally the last thing to go. The highest failure rates are your motherboard, GPU and PSU.

@roythunderplump

Жыл бұрын

They seem to be the most expensive right now. Good business for the manufactures.

@DJaquithFL

Жыл бұрын

@@roythunderplump .. Yeah engineering failure by design is pretty evil.

The 4x DDR5 RAM problem of the Asus Prime Z690-A was solved with Bios update 2305. Have all my G Skill Tridenz Z5 5600Mhz installed & tested with MemTest86 V10.2 free (USB). Before it was not possible for me 4x DDR 5 with 5600Mhz stable to run. am glad that it now runs. Great video THANKS

Regardless of Asus's issues, Juan Guerrero is a brilliant contributor. He really knows his onions and explains complex tech very well.

Dude this is such a technical video and exactly what I needed. Thank you.

Great interview video, all the info JJ shown helps a lot. My setup is frustrating. i9-13900K with Asus Prime A Wifi Z790 MB and Corsair two sets of 64GB Kit 6000Mhz CL40 (2x32GB Sticks) for 128GB filling up all the DIMM slots. Only 2 DIMMs in A2/B2 slots and XMP enabled and the CPU overheats on POST. I think the best I seen 2 sticks go on self adjustment during POST is 4800 Mhz and I don't think within Windows it was that great working. 4 sticks has been hit and miss to even get into windows but at 2nd last POST they trained to 3600Mhz and when the computer would go to sleep would not wake up properly like the USBs in the back I/O panel were not active or something. Keyboard wireless to the Dongle was not connected looking. So on next BIOS entry i have the 4 sticks setup at 3000Mhz just changing that DRAM Frequency Drop down box for the Memory Divider and not changing anything else.

This is a great video! I wish I would’ve watched this before my most recent build.

I was waiting for that Topology talk mmmmm MMMMMMMMMMM!

This guy is actually very knowledgeable. Good content.

This has to be the best video I have seen picking regarding all of these questions surrounding DDR5. Excellent selection of questions and as always JJ knows his stuff.

i'm really starting to love this channel. just found it the other day. this is good stuff! everyone should subscribe

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Thanks for the video! This memory thing is so frustrating..

Absolutely agree on the RAM massaging. I currently run a 64GB kit of Mushkin rated at 3600 MT/s CL16. It would downright refuse posting on my system with XMP enabled. However, when I started dialling it in manually I would inch closer and closer to stable 4000 MT/s CL 18 with super tight tertiary timings and even voltage below XMP. Going through that and learning the ins and outs of memory tuning was a cool and ultimately rewarding experience.

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

Well you can get & tune fast memory with x3D then discover the lower rated untuned cheapest has the same application performance. 😮😮

Thank you so much for this video, I have built a 4K 10 bit editing machine this weekend. And struggled with this very issue- watched this and fixed that problem!

JJ! Man he's been around for a minute :D glad to see him :D

JJ as always rocks with very helpful info. Awesome video. 👍 !!

This should be taught in elementary schools. I'm an old guy involved in custom PCs and what I've learned is that there are so many variables involved in a custom system that it's a miracle that it actually works in most cases. That is the reason why I appreciate Windows in the Linux vs Win debate.

What an amazing video!! This is definitely the way to go. A semi-casual chat with a knowledgeable no-nonsense professional about relevant topics. It's so refreshing to see this instead of angry profit hungry youtubers that will tell you anything for a like. Hope more people would do this!!

The ROG certified memory profile works great on my Team Group Dark ROG 16GB DDR4-3000 (x2 8GB single rank). I bought this kit because of Toms Hardware review saying each stick was dual ranked. Either they were mistaken or IC's were drastically changed mid manufacture.

Wow. This was more like a university level experience. Great video.

This is such a comprehensive and helpful video for understanding XMP. Thanks so much for creating this!

My ram made my board post to safe mode every time I enabled XMP 3200 and default timings. Turns out the DDR4 sticks I bought from amazon is rated at 2133 and you can tell they just stamped the 3200 sticker on the box lid. Read carefully what they say in the description and also reviews with 1 or 2 stars. My advice is if you want a certain speed in ram always buy somewhat higher speed, in my case I want to hit 3200 therefore I will have to buy 3600 sticks or above.

Just came across this video and your channel, instant sub! This video is just epic! Can't wait to watch your other content, keep up the great work!

😂I.C. Integrated circuit A term we use in the 80’s..how i miss building my first FM radio and 50w amplifier during my high school electronics elective days..soldering each parts, reading resistor color, trouble shooting transistors, etching and building your own PCB’s,micro drilling each holes for electronic components and soldering each piece in the board..reading and mastering schematic diagram, my high school fun times🙂..

22:00 lol that is me, wanting to go with 4x8GB config which is only 32GB instead of 64 or even 128. but its more than enough for my use cases; A- 1080p gaming B- 1080p 60Hz video editing C- 1080p game recording/streaming

Such a high value interview! Massive amount of useful information and very pleasant to watch. GJ! Im running 2x32GB DDR5 6600 on an Asus ROG Strix Z790-H, intel i13700-k , BIOS v.1202 without issues so far.

This has to be the most insightful and informative Video I've seen on youtube in a good while. Thank you for bringing JJ on! I wish you had asked JJ a couple of question that came to mind during his talk, but I'm sure it was more that enough for you get answer for the questions you had written down. Again, excellent work. BTW do you have a patreon or something?😁

Thank you!! This answered a dozen questions I had and several more that were important but I didn't even know to ask.

Thank you for this informative video! I don't want to jinx myself, but I think I fixed my issues from this video. Memtest errors in first 10 minutes and OCCT threw 600 error in 3 minutes. Changed RAM slots (as in changing places, still using A2&B2). And turned on XMPII instead of XMP I. Memtest for 9 hours and no error. Looks like XMP I with Asus timings messed with my system. Games were BSODing etc. Asus Z790 PROART WIFI and Corair Vengeance 6400Mhz CL32. P.S. The AI OC uses XMP I.

Thank you guys. Detailed questions and more detailed answers. Continue again. I follow you from the Middle East

Excellent and very informative video! It's too bad that ASUS doesn't have employees of the caliber of J.J. working in their customer support department.

Thanks for the video Fixed my XMP isssue. The comment on A2/B2 should be used. I am sure a dumb mistake, but I was in A1/B1 changed and now running find with XMP dram 6000

Good morning this was very good explanation of the mem 😊

This is an awesome video. Send it to all your friends

Very informative show. Thank you both.

All this is why reviewers should benchmark at standard settings, with XMP and Expo turned off, then show the effect of overclocking turned on.

Thanks for making this much needed video!

Enjoy this a lot. I remember when I got my Asus X99 Deluxe board back in 2015. It has 8 dimm slots and I have it fully populated but only 64gb total because back then 8GB was the largest dimm I could get, so I got 2x 4 dimm kits. It still runs great to this day running a 5960x.

@ArKay-nj2nh

8 ай бұрын

Exact same configuration. I have 3 X99 boards, all ASUS. Originally had FlareX ( 8 x 8G ) on the Rampage V Edition 10 / 6900k, always worked great. Swapped in G.Skills Trident RGB ( 8 x 8G ) when I installed the Flare X onto a Aorus X399 TR4 Board with a 1950X. All kits I use are 3200mhz . Seems after the Trident Z was installed, little things would freeze ( like the mouse ) What faults can occur when it's a memory problem ? Can I manually reduce the Ram speed to 3000mhz to see if that helps or increase the voltage?

Great Video! Thank you both and anyone else involved. Learned a lot!

Excellent video! It really helped my understanding of DDR5 RAM.

Huge amount of valuable info on RAM. Many thanks!

Very nice analysis thanks for sharing.

Great stuff! This helped me understand memory so much better, Thank you!!

The best damn video I've seen on the internet on RAM and XMP.

Fantastic Video.. I love JJ wish i has seen this before.

Holly Molly, that video is big but I need to watch it whole

In simpler terms, the "faster" and more densely populated (dual side vs single side, 16GB vs 8GB) the RAM sticks are, the less likely the kit will boot and be stable at XMP (DOCP, Expo). With one stick per channel, the OC profile will usually work even for a kit that's not on the motherboards QVL. With two per channel, it's a crap shoot. This is true for Intel and AMD. Probably the most important factor is the random quality of the IMC. My original R7 1700 would not run a particular 2x8GB 3200 at XMP-1, but I could turn off XMP and let it run at the default 2133 or manually clock it to 2667 and it was fine. At the same time, I had an R5 1500X with a magical IMC. It would run that same kit on the same motherboard at 3200 (XMP-1) without issue.

Great video with all the answers I was looking for. Thanks

Make sure to check your motherboard's QVL list for the DDR5 ram you're wanting to install before you buy! I spent five hours trying to get Corsair Dominator 64GB (4x16) 7200mhz CL34 running on the ASUS Z790 Hero on XMP I & II. It would never post, even changing frequency and voltage. I decided to look up the QVL ram list for my motherboard with the ram brand I purchased, sure enough, it says right there, will only work using 32gb (2x16) not 64GB. I then consulted my manual for proper slots to use (2 and 4) and it fired right up without a single issue in XMP II. Also, I did update to the latest bios which provided better DDR5 support.

@La-eh4jk

Жыл бұрын

Do you think manufactures dont know what they are doing? Do you think they didn't know all these issues before launching DDR5? of course they do. Thing is as they work on the issues they release rams sticks because people will buy regardless. Is all about money. Always been. Always will be.

I'm upgradiing to a new PC with DDR5, but I would like to be able to use either 128GB or 192GB, but I am worried about the stablilty issues. I'd like to know more about adding only x2 48GB ram sticks for a total of 96GB.

Awesome stuff, such a pleasure to learn from this guy.

Amazing video. Thanks!

Really ramming it home...i learnt a lot here, thx guys

Wow !!! Amazing Video!!! This has been so helpful.

Great Video! I even sat through the entire video! Great information thank you and JJ from Asus too!

Learn lot from this!! Been having issues with running 7200 on my encore

Thank you so much for this vid!!!! I got some great information on ram!!!

Super fascinating to know every part has variances / performance limits.. great interview !!

Corsair sells 4 dimm ddr5 kits I bought one like 2 weeks ago around the time the video dropped 4x16 6600mhz 32-39-39-76 corsair vengeance they have 4 dimm dominators too

Fantastic interview. Thanks fellas!

Thanks!

I finally figured out how to use 4 sticks of DDR5 on a Z790 Dark Hero. This video shows you how, but it doesn't understand what it shows you. I had the same problem going from 64gb of 6400 ram (2 sticks) to 128gb of 6400 ram (4 sticks). I began only being able to run it with optimized defaults after returning my original purchase of the extra two sticks and exchanging it. The return wasn't necessary and didn't work. After a couple of KZread videos that said that I can just reset the BIOS, I could run it at the optimized default settings. It ran, but at 4200. After watching this video, I was inadvertently shown where you can see the true speed of the ram and that the speed printed on the box is the overclock speed. On the EZ Mode settings above the X.M.P., it will tell you the speed of the ram the motherboard sees. Do not change the setting in EZ Mode, leave it disabled. Go back to Advanced Mode and leave everything to Auto. Drop down to Memory controller and change the frequency to 4800. Don't touch anything else. Save settings and reboot. It will reboot with the new settings. Yes, it runs at 6400 when I use 2 sticks. This does not apply with 4 sticks. I know that at 4200 my system is very stable. It is a bit faster at 4800, but I need to use it for a while to test how stable it actually is. I do know that I couldn't get it to boot when I used a higher speed, and the video didn't turn on. On the Dark Hero, I have to remove the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS. This is a pain. Anyway, I am up now. If I experience anymore glitches, I know I can reset the BIOS to its default settings and run without issues. I bought the extra ram because 64gb wasn't enough ram and I crashed when I had too many tabs open in Microsoft Edge. With 128gb of ram, or 4 sticks, I am more stable and don't crash. Anyway, I hope this helps.

I have big complaints about Asus, they don't update their QVL lists, especially from older platforms like AM4, I have a new TUF board, and the 2x32Gb Corsair DIMMs they list, is almost a year obsolete. How the hell can you work with QVL lists that are not updated? Their service department also cannot answer my questions. So I have to find out myself if a stick works or not, that is a 200€ gamble.

WOW, this helps me big time. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.

Great informative video. I tried half a dozen RAM kits with my 7700x with Asus B650-A Gaming mainboard and DDR5 6000 CL 30, 32, 36, 40 kits and all failed at 6000mhz. Apparently the CPU memory controller can't run it stable. I managed to run it stable with 5600 MHz with at least the faster expo timings. I hope a future CPU replacement will run it stable at 6000.

Thank you, so much. Invaluable information to learn.

My z790 Apex is a beast I daily 8000mhz stable. I was able to get 7800mhz XMP to work out the box. It wouldn't work on the Z790 Hero or Z790 Master even though its advertised. I have a 13900KS so it's binned plus I have a good MC so it should work as advertised on those boards.

@midi002

Жыл бұрын

Cries in z70 Max Hero

@facegamefps6725

Жыл бұрын

Same here z790 tachyon and apex..8000 is a joke. 6000 ram is slower than ddr4 4000 so minimums is 7200. I find this video a joke

Very comprehensive video, bravo !

My problem with 3200mhz ram was, after flashing bios, my XMP didn't work. Got crashes ect. The simple Solution: increasing the voltage from 1.35v to 1.36 solved the Issue Remember, if you go with XMP, give a little bit more voltage in 0.1v steps, till it runns stable. That's all.

This was very helpful, thankyou!

I don't understand the statement 2 sticks of 32GB is better than 4 sticks of 16GB. The QVL listing for my Gigabyte Z790 Motherboard lists (i5-13600K): 1R8 sticks of 16GB from 7200 down to 6000. 2R8 sticks of 32GB from 6000 down to 3200. For 7200, you can only get it with 4 sticks of 1R8.

Do you think manufactures dont know what they are doing? Do you think they didn't know all these issues before launching DDR5? of course they do. Thing is as they work on the issues they release rams sticks because people will buy regardless. Is all about money. Always been. Always will be.