Thank you! I found this video to be very informative, clear, and easy to follow.

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

This was a very insightful and helpful video. These are the kinds of videos that I like to see because I think building can be rather easy but it's the fine tuning after the the build when I find videos like these helpful.

Thanks dude! Worked the first time.

Another useful video. Thank you my friend.

So funny coincidence , I'm basically 90% done with building that nearly identical rig and totally had questions about whether or not i should buy another 2 sticks of RAM and how to set them up in the bios, etc.... then I found this helpful video! (Fractal north, I91400K, 2X32 GIG T CREATE, Proart z790, NZXT Kraken, GPU to be ordered next week)

@FightingWordz

2 ай бұрын

90% same as me. GPU ordering later aswell

Thank you for this info man!!

My PC is not crashing, it's crushing!

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

Lucky you! ;)

@auroraflash

3 ай бұрын

@@theTechNotice buying too much ram since 1999 and it’s always paid off

Good to see more videos coming out on the trials of running 4 dimm kits. For the longest time all I could find out was that xmp only worked on 2dimm. (Which obviously would have swayed my purchase decisions had I know up front). But just recently found another video explaining how to get xmp to work with 4 dimm. The only other difference on that one was to slightly bump the voltage settings to increase stability. Was able to get my 5600 dominator kits to run stable at 5200 on a 12700k and z690 strix board.

for me you are making the most pleasing videos for pc tech i know

Great series of Videos, subscribed to your channel and great content that I will use going forward, hope you don't mind that you are very kind, explain things easy especially for me being bit of Villager / Dunce and you do remind me that you look like German F1 driver Mick Scumacher

Clear and easy to understand. Thank you!

@theTechNotice

Ай бұрын

You are welcome!

dude it worked on my first try, thank you

Good job explaining such a complex concept in such a short time duder

Also consider some MBs have lower overall ram limits, for instance having a limit of 128gb as opposed to 192 gb. Or even 96 as opposed to 128.

@artyomexplains

3 ай бұрын

Any board with 4 slots can run 192 GB with updated bios. Any.

Such damn god videos. First came by ur channel now but great kontent and probly one of the best people out there explaing things in a way everybody might understand

@laowai2000

Ай бұрын

god level!

Thank you for these RAM videos :D I wish this had been released a few weeks ago before I picked up 4x24GB RAM instead of 2x48GB... But despite this, I've managed 6600MHz and XMP timings so it's not bad.

New build and still went with DDR4. 2x16MB CL16 3200Mhz for $52 (pre-black friday 2023).... $20 US for an extra 16GB made the decision to go 32GB easy... Was able to o/c... and create separate o/c profiles in the bios. One for 3600 CL 16 and the other 4100 CL18. Tried CL 14 but no go... The extra ram on intel helps with 1% and 01% lows. Combined it with a $120 refurbished MSI Z790 Wifi MB, went Z790 due to better memory traces on the MB.

@fracturedlife1393

3 ай бұрын

The beautiful clickyclack of delete mashing ❤

@Y0_ltr

3 ай бұрын

@toddwerther188 what are the advantages of having different o/c profiles? 🤔

@toddwerther188

3 ай бұрын

Mostly I just wanted to see what I could achieve at different speeds. Some apps like higher speed, while others prefer lower latency. In all reality, mostly I just use this computer to play games @1440p w/7800XT, but it was fun seeing what a $50 pair of cheap rams sticks could do. I use CL16 3600 for day to day, my 12600KF P cores (all core) @5.0 and E cores 4.0. It's all one really needs for gaming. I was originally going to build via AMD 5600 but when I found a really good MSI Z790 refurbished for $120 I switched over to intel. @@Y0_ltr

@tradingnichols2255

3 ай бұрын

Yes, never be a fan boy. If you get the right deal, go Intel, and vise a versa. For 2 laptops I tried to go AMD, but my last one is an intel, but my creator PC, that ended up AMD. @@toddwerther188

Thanks for another great video - will observe / absorb this info before building my M2 I7 G14 Machine - especially on XMP on/off and selecting appropriate / Max stable Memory speed. I7 G14 Up to 5600 Mhz Native but my motherboard can address more / less depending on ram used and how many memory channels I used up. For me will use 2 x 32 Gb one per channel, = 64 Gb

Running 2x48GB Corsair 6400 CL32 on a B660-I strix board feels so good. Crazy to think we can have 96gb high speed ram on a 2-ram slot B660 board

@funbucket09

2 ай бұрын

The thought alone makes me so hard.

Great topic. Useful tips when running 4 sticks and if they don't. Somewhere I saw that when running ram too much faster than what system can handle like for 7000 series AM5 6000Mhz with CL 30 is fully ok, but going over this the system and ram ratio of performance shifts from 1:1 to 2:1 more towards ram than cpu I don't know what this topic is. Where do find these data like best Mhz + CL combo for each generations of systems. Also Mr Tech Notice I know you mention the effect components in your videos through numbers, percentages. Can you upload small clip showing playbacks, multiple asset load(effects + layers), Max vid quality(resolution) editing such to the point that it starts to lag or something like that ? Like a real world performance scenario for Processors, RAMs, SSDs etc or comparison with one generation below to show the real world improvements. It would be very helpful for all of us 😅. I know its a tall order a small clip would suffice if possible on such new performance uplifting components videos.

I have a i5 14600KF and an MSI Z790-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI, and I just selected similar XMP profile like you, with 2x16GB 6.000Mhz and CL32 and working without any problem.

Great video! The bots in the comments section are crazy nowadays. At least make sense of what you said. The comment isn’t applicable to the video… whatsoever.

Where was this video when I knew way less, lol. (Teasing, learned a lot from your vids when I was in the, what's bios group? Teasing, It was the 80's when I didn't know that much, if they had bios then. LOL, but I never tried tweaking a system until late last year. Your interview with JJ was HUGE for me getting a few bits deeper into the "black arts" of memory OC. Maybe I tuned out, but I like to undervolt the memory if it can handle it, but sometimes it needs more voltage to handle more Mhz... not sure if you covered that, have a great one!) It's alright, you were entertaining even if I'm acting like a know it all now. LOL

My advice (if you want to save headache like me) is get 2 ram sticks (2 x 48gb) to give you 96gb ram with high speeds and xmp. It's a shame that Intel and the motherboard manufacturers don't address this issue but I stick to 2 ram sticks to avoid all the problems with 4 sticks and xmp.

@dafyddthomas7299

Ай бұрын

Thanks for INFO and to OP as well; something that me being a newbie / builder didn't take much thought of to be honest.

Hmm, (relatively) faster ram usually impacts performance very little, plus 2 or 4 sticks is not that problem with modern hw/sw as long as you're not pushing it (which again makes little sense), some scenarios even favor more memory ranks. What causes most crashes in my experience is heavy pagefile use, so more RAM is always better.

Build a machine with a AMD 7700, needed 192Gb and had to be uATX board due to space limitations. So i had no choice in faster ram or better board. I just did buy something that was vendor checked to get a stable system. But indeed if you need less and can do it with only 2 sticks then you can get more speed easy.

great vid as always! personally i use i9 13900 non k ver. along with kingston fury beast ddr5 5600 mhz running at stock 4800mhz and gigabyte b760 gaming x mobo. xmp always have a risk for blue screen or black screen, for stability i dont even set it. For gaming it is fine, but when you work on large files like me and you cpu and ram do alot work long time (for me like 3 to 5 hours workload on single project) its just not worth the effort. About timings and voltage dont even touch it, its relic of the past and you will loose more time and nerve setuping than profit and performance. Thanks again for great vid. Please do vid about multiple gpu for projects on one platform.

I don't bother with the CMOS on my Asus board, if you press reset 3 or 4 times it will start with default settings to let you change it and if that doesn't work turning it off and on a couple of times brings it back to a default state. My CMOS jumper is hidden by my GPU's heatsink so it's handy to know this.

Hi, I have a question about which motherboard is better for my brother. (Unfortunately, he does have a budget limit) My brother is a video editor like you, and he wants to buy a new PC for himself. He wants to get the Asus ProArt B760 WIFI DDR5 with an i5 13400. But my question is, which motherboard do you suggest for him: 1. PROART B760 Wi-Fi DDR5 2. Prime Z790-P Wi-Fi DDR5 Which one offers greater reliability for the future and more potential for future upgrades?

Hello Sir, I have two questions for you: I would like to know whether to put in a mobo that has a DDR5 6000mhz RAM limit, inserting a pair of 7200mhz RAM and setting it for example to 5800 with the XMP profile from the BIOS; this Motherboard is about to start. I definitely have to set the Timings different from the default ones. Or would you boot the operating system in SPD and that's it? Second question: in an Asus B660M motherboard prepared with DDR5 RAM and with Intel 12th gen. CPU, Can it work with a pair of Cas type RAMs with 30cl latency? Or the Timing must be reset if bios doesn't detect them? Not all brands should work, even Non-QVL. Those who can try various types of kits know this. I hope you answer me. Advice? Thanks and have a good day

Interesting information. I just upgraded my memory to four sticks of CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 64GB (4x16GB) 5600MHz CL36 Intel XMP . I searched the ASUS support page to find a compatible memory kit with four sticks to run in my ASUS ROG Strix Z-690 E Wi-Fi motherboard. I have an updated BIOS to support the i9 13900K CPU I recently got. The system reports it's running at the advertised speed and there really have been no hiccups. I kind of held my breath at start-up but it booted right into Windows the first time and I have run a few stressor benchmarks with no issues. It helps to consult your motherboard support page to find compatible RAM but maybe I also got lucky.

So many boards will set horrible settings when allowed to manage ram as "auto" even though you are hitting higher MHz, latency may even decrease with loose settings! Always good to use CPU-Z to check how your ram is actually running versus the XMP setting options listed in the SPD tab. To calculate RAM latency, multiply the CAS latency by 2000 then divide by the data rate.

Which keyboard do you have , dont you have the logitech mx anymore? if im right ofc

I wish I had know this before. However I bought DDR 4 ram and I don't think they had high capacity sticks at that time. Side note, can one put DDR 4 ram in a newer machine? Would it run the ram faster without compromising the stability?

Hi, how are you? I have question please. I saw that the 2x48gb sticks are only most of all XMP Intel. I have a Ryzen 7900 is it possible to use them on Ryzen 7900? or must i buy a EXPO compatible ones? Or this thing on RAM about XMP and EXPO are just marketing and royalties thing? Thank you. :) Very nice content.

@funbucket09

2 ай бұрын

If you are willing to do some manual set up, it will probably work. I have an AMD CPU and I use it with 'Intel XMP' DDR4 ram at a faster speed than it said on the box. If you want one-click no worries easy peasy set up though, you should just get a kit with AMD EXPO.

Everything you need to know about RAM speeds: Don’t worry about RAM speeds. The end.

@CaptainScorpio24

3 ай бұрын

right on 😊

@beeping2blipping

3 ай бұрын

incorrect: You start to worry about RAM speed when you will have corrupted data or when you have BSOD. For gamers it doesn't matter that much as you can download and re-install games, but for anybody working on computer and need to be sure that data that have been created will be correct and can be used, then it should matter as that is no fun to have hours of work just going to waste. RAM speed have much more impact on video encoders (that make use of CPU), then for any other kind of apps. That is why usually see benchmark where x264 are used to measure how much of improvement going to a faster CPU will do or how much impact RAM will have while working on larger files like video editing or large databases.

@JFrameMan

2 ай бұрын

True for gamers. You can spend more time and money into your cpu and gpu and make way bigger gains. For video editing, plugin-heavy music production, and running local AI on cpu, the speed really helps.

@Vex22778

9 күн бұрын

Unless you have AMD because the Infiniti bridge enjoys faster, memory

does i5 12400 benefit form 16gb ddr5 ram or should i go with ddr4 ? reddit says ddr5 is really helpful for 13 and 14 gen ? please reply technotice

Should probably explain abit more about motherboards. From recent experience of buying an Aorus Z790 elite, and thru several crashes and research, I've found out that the motherboard makers these days overoptimise their overclocking profiles and remove certain voltage and power limits when you overclock the CPU and/or RAMs. This causes instability at high clock speeds on both sides and may even end up damagit components. I"ve had to spend several hours reading up on motherboards, cpus and ram and tweaking bios settings in order to find a somewhat stable compromise in the bios settings where i can overclock the CPU(14900kf) and get my RAM (2x32GB at 6000mhz) speed up to 80% of its overclocking potential (any higher and I end up crashing whatever games im playing).

@Dev-cw6jc

2 күн бұрын

What did u clock ur cpu @‘? I’m interested 👀

I recently heard that it's bad to buy two 2xkit RAM even if are the same model than 4xkit? I have I9-14900K and Z790 Dark Hero, just build it and not yet XMP enabled. I currently have two CMP32GX5M2X7200C34, so 64Gb. Is it safe to try XMP or should I switch to 2x32Gb?

I have 2x48 6800 t-create expert on 14900k cpu, works smooth as butter

Dear Lauri, what would you recommend for creators, 96gb with 2 48gb sticks and 6000mts or 192gb 4 sticks of 48gb but 5600mts? Thanks

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

Neither might work. Especially 192gb of 5600, most likely 4800 and 5000max ;)

Lauri, please ban that bot.

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

It's gone now, right?

@MadridistaFrieren

3 ай бұрын

@@theTechNotice Alhamdulillah, yes

@kindhuman4198

3 ай бұрын

​@@theTechNoticewhich graphics card is good for video editing 4060 or 6750 GRE....???

@MadridistaFrieren

3 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as 6750 gre​@@kindhuman4198

Fantastic explainer and great video! Good stuff. Personally, I've built my own PCs and have gone through 4 generations of CPUs/Memory with DDR4->5->6 and have never been able to just click apply XMP and it works. I always have to configure it myself and lower the RAM speed by 200-400 mhz to get it stable, but it's fine because it's less than a 1% performance difference. If you want the smoothest editing experience: proxy your clips. You'll be able to edit FAST even on 10 year old hardware. I'm always stunned when video editors tell me they don't bother to proxy.

@JeanSebastienLEGER

2 ай бұрын

yes but even with proxies, if you use a lot of sound design, VFX and titles it will struggle with a 10 year old computer. But yeah for basic edits you'll be fine ;)

thanks bro

Nice video

My rig is pretty much maxed out across the board. The only thing I left stock is my graphics card. specs : CPU - 7800x3d Gpu - 4090 strix oc Ram - teamgroup 7200mhz cl34-42-42-84 1.4v 32gb (oc’d to 7400mhz)

Does this works in Gigabyte Aorus Z790 Elite with core i7 13700K and G.skill Trident Z RGB 128GB of DDR5 5600Mhz ram ?

Is it ok if my RAM trains for like 15-20 sec before booting with no problems every time I power on?

Asus Z790 MoBo´s have 2 XMP profiles, XMP 1 & XMP 2. My 6000Mhz CL30 2x16GB kit worked on both XMP profiles but on XMP 1 profile I notice stuttering in games. When I changed it to XMP 2 profile the stutter disappeared. XMP 1 profile is an Asus tweaked profile and XMP 2 profile is the RAM manufacturer profile. I advise you to go first for the XMP 2 profile.

@MrRenegadeRonin

Ай бұрын

I posses almost an identical setup. It's definitely the most optimal for gaming at 6,000 CL30 32GB DDR5 (on our specific setups). We could get away with 7,200 CL34 but I have never heard of anyone not having stability issues. I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would try to load a 4 stick ram kit trying to achieve the highest amount of ram without understanding how it affects performance.

Even xmp has problems always validate your ram with something like karhu

Just saying i was sucking this issues with my new computer for a month first i bought corsair vengance 7200 4 out of 6 kits was faulty one pair worked. Anyhow after that i changed to corsair titan something, but in both cases you can reach the named value but telling to your bios it is a 6000 is not enough, you have to go to advanced settings and raise the voltage with 0.05 in vram and vdram and also tell to bios to handle independently the ram voltages not synchronise. if you do those changes (worked for the good Vengance and for the Titan also) than bios able to train and than win able to boot in the expected rate

if my cpu can run 5200MT/S and my motherboard can go to 6000MT/S , should i go and lower it to 5200 or keep it at 6000 , sry for the noob question and ty :) Ryzen 9 7900x , motherbord Gigabite b650 gaming x ax , 2x16gb 6000MT/s

heres a wierd one, bought the new pro art Z790, because i might have problems with my Z790 maximus extreme... the pro art is newer, but wont run the corsair vengence at 5200 xmp, that i took out of the extreme board, and i swap cpu. i just bought the pro art, cause i have to rma, the extreme. but i ordered the 6800 team group, ill know tomorrow, how fast it goes. 14900k

unless you have a workstation motherboard (HP) that does not let you tweak things like XMP profiles...

2 questions: 1-On a z790 mobo with a 13700k or 13900k can you run 2 (2x32g) kits of ram for a total of 128gb? On older gen mobos companies like Corsair said you couldn't. You had to get 1 (4x32gb) kit. 2-Will premiere pro and davinci benefit from a raise of ram from 128gb to 192gb? Is it worth the Xtra $ if you can afford it or is it overkill.

I have an i9 13900 KS, with 128 GB of RAM at 5,600 mhz. I was getting blue screen on some boots, but then I enabled "Windows fast start up", and I have never gotten another blue screen. It saves the settings, so the RAM doesn't have to "retrain" every boot. Am I going to hard on my RAM? (MSI z790 Carbon motherboard)

@white_lizard

3 ай бұрын

Nice! Haven't tried this method yet!

@chrispridemore5562

3 ай бұрын

@@white_lizard I still didn't like how I had to do a work around, just to make it stable, so I just changed to 5,000 mhz, because I have 4 sticks of 128 GB of RAM. Only time will tell if this fixes it.

I had a weird thing happen on a PC I just built. Its an MSI Z790, i5 12600k, 32GB DDR5 T Force Delta 6400mhz 16x2, RTX 4070. I set the XMP to what I now know is the wrong speed, I had it set to 6000mhz, but never had any kind of problem at all. No crashes, no failures to post, nothing out of the ordinary. I went into the MSI Center app to overclock through the MSI Creator APP and not through the BIOS. I can see the specs of each individual RAM stick. 1 was running at the proper 6000mhz, the second, according to MSI Creator, was running at 200 mhz. I went into the BIOS and set the XMP to the proper 6400mhz and turned on RAM performance mode. Now Creator says both sticks are running at the proper 6400mhz. IDK what that was about?? I had benchmarked it before changing the XMP, but didn't record the scores, so I cant really tell if one stick was actually running at 200mhz, or if something was just bugged in the MSI overclocking software, I do know how many FPS I was getting in some games I play, I can ck to see if that has improved. I thought 2 mismatched RAM sticks would run at the rated speed of the slowest stick, in which case both my RAM sticks would have been running at 200mhz, which does not seem to be the case. When I did benchmark the system the ranking of the score was right where I would have expected it to be, say a bit slower than a 13th gen i5. Very odd. The ASUS BIOS looks so much nicer than the MSI BIOS. I'm sure most of the options are the same, just looking at yours the options are presented in a much clearer fashion. On MSI BIOS you really have to dig through the settings to find anything.

i reused my old ddr4 ram in my new budget workstation and the only thing that matters for rendering is the amount of ram (64gb). This way i saved tons of money for no real speed gain and silly blinking RGB ram.

HELP I have a intel 14900k in a msi z790 MB, I have Ram that can be turned down 6400mhz how can a make my CPU be compatible with this much speed ? When I play a game like Fortnite it crashes only when I have XMP turned on , when is off it works fine

Was this your personal computer or some build?

which is the keyboard you are using?

Hey bro can Help Me I have arous B550m Elite ax motherboard. And wants to install M.2 Nvme in my motherboard but i am confusing bcoz In my first NVme ssd slots there is installed Kingston 500Gb . So can i installed same NVme ssd in second slots please tell me..😢😢😢

So, for the best RAM performance, it's best to distribute your capacity between 2 sticks instead of 4, unless you want to dig around in the BIOS. That's interesting. My first instinct would be to fill all the RAM slots for maximum performance. By the way, are there any applications that use that RAM capacity displayed in your task manager? My Windows 11 laptop has 64 GB of DDR4, but it barely pushes 8 GB.

if I want 128gb ram for cpu i9 14900, what is the best solution for me?

What is the difference between a Mega-transfer and a Micro-transfer?

jaytwocent say that you have to update your bios before you enable to XMP.

Never crashing is more important than a bit extra.

I have an 8600g and probably only enable xmp when playing heavy games. Does the processor and mother suffer more if I activate and deactivate xmp often or would it suffer more if I leave it activated all the time?

@Desmond987

3 ай бұрын

Just leave it on mate, its not gonna do any harm. Its meant to be left on at all times.

@SpoonHurler

3 ай бұрын

If your motherboard vrms/mosfets aren't overheating (no AM5 should be with an 8600G imho) then turning it off isn't necessary. I'd keep it on unless you are getting a lot of crashes with it on.

Hope anyone help me, I'm really confused on the Speed on Task Manager is keep on showing 1333Mhz even I have already enabled xmp in bios. In Bios the memory is 2667Mhz but in Task Manager Performance the speed always 1333mhz. My motherboard is MSI A320m pro E. My ram is ddr4 2x8 2667Mhz. Thank you.

I just added 2 more sticks to my system and it wouldn't even boot, all 4 were corsair vengeance ddr5 16gb 6000mhz. But 1 set was 36-36-36-72 and the other set was 36-44-44-96 and it wound not work at any speed.

In my case xmp on, i turn the pc on, then it quickly goes off and on again. But. NO crashes… cant figure it out..

Thanks, well done! Lots of good information. Off to the CPU video next... 🫡

Please, my PC keeps booting the ASUS flash screen showing my m. 2 files instead of booting windows first. I've googled tf on how to solve this with no luck. Please help!

The no RGB setup is 11/10 . A M A Z I N G .

I've been trying to find the t create ram, but anywhere that ships to where I live has prices through the roof :(

Has anyone tried out 14900k with 2 set of t-create expert 48x2 6800, which is total of 192gb, on ASUS Proart z790?

@andreitimotin3599

3 ай бұрын

Careful..even if ur motherboard allows 4 sticks of ram...on ddr5 you can use max 2 sticks..otherwise you won't be able to activate xmp..thats how ddr5 works..i have 14900k with 2×48 6800 t create expert..and it works great ( did some tweaking in bios for undervolting)

I can run my 13700k with 6800mhz + gtx 1060. As soon as i plug in a new gpu (rx 7900 xtx) i get black screens. I assume it's not due to ram if it worked with a different gpu right?

@alexanderolsson6632

3 ай бұрын

PSU?

Guys does anyone know the Name of the Into sond? 0:40 ?

Everything you said and did makes logical sense. However, when you are equipped with the latest and greatest of all possible motherboard capabilities, it should detect your hardware and adjust to the optimum settings. In this case it doesn't. Is that a manufacturer problem or does a person have to sit through every possible configuration and wait to see if it's going to work or not? Frustrating isn't it?

How much does QVL matter?? Should i change the RAM as per ASUS QVL list or having a non QVL will be fine for enabling XPO for DDR4??

@vigilant_1934

3 ай бұрын

QVL is a nice guide to know what RAM kits have been tested at certain speeds AND work with that motherboard. Non-QVL kits might work but it's not guaranteed and you may be stuck with slower RAM than you anticipated. I have an Asus B650E-F Gaming Wifi and I chose a QVL compatible DDR5-5600 32GB kit with Hynix M-die so I could easily overclock it to 6000MT/s for my Ryzen 7 7700X (and possibly faster speeds when the BIOS updates are available). Hynix has the fastest and most stable DDR5 (they were the first to release DDR5 RAM too) so I knew I needed their M-die when faster RAM speeds are made available to motherboards later into the AM5 cycle and for when I upgrade my CPU to Zen 5 or 6. If you watch Buildzoid of Actually Hardcore Overclocking, he stability tests motherboards, CPUs, and RAM and he tested my current MB with a 7950X months before I bought it so I knew it could handle a high end CPU when I buy one in the future. Have you bought your motherboard yet and what kit are looking to buy?

@rahulkamath6984

3 ай бұрын

@@vigilant_1934 I have x570 creative WiFi board 5900x and currently I have two sticks of Gskill ripjaw 3600 ddr 32gb ram So when I want to upgrade to 128 should sell them and buy a new one (without checking) or there is some way to check if these will be compatible in 128gb usage ?

14700kf can go to 6400 4 dim team create with Gigabyte Aero z790

I build a system with one stick of DDR5 32gb ram on 5600mts with timings of cl36-38-38. friends gifted me second stick of 32gb 5600mts ram but have different timings of cl40-40-40. because of different timings i can't overclock ram more than 5200mts (or it becames unstable), and also if i undervolt my cpu(13900k), it will became unstable. i don't understand which ram timings are better, and what timings should i aim for future ram upgrade? (meaning adding 2more sticks of 32gb)

@funbucket09

2 ай бұрын

Smaller number = betterer timings. Every 200mhz of speed increase is proportional to 1 'ticks' on the timings. eg. 3000CL15 and has the same latency as 3200CL16. 3200CL14 has a FASTER latency than 3600CL18 (however 3600mhz has a faster raw bandwidth). Choosing lower latency or higher bandwidth RAM is very application specific.

@anjelomichelangelo7726

2 ай бұрын

@@funbucket09 thank you for answer. looks like my cl36-38-38 have better timings

what's the difference with DDR4 and DDR5 for video editing?

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

Have a look at my dedicated video on it :)

I running Corsair 6000Mhz DDR5 2x sticks with 13700k first I had a problem with my ProArt Z790 motherboard but after a couple of firmware updates Asus fixed everything and now I have zero problems running XMP. I do mostly photography 64GB is plenty for my needs. I can get up to 50GB RAM usage if I apply something like radial blur filter in Photoshop. I'm shocked how much Lightroom can load your GPU with AI noise reduction. I like to run my low light wedding images through AI noise reduction my RTX4080 gets pinned to the max at 100% utilisation.

On Ryzen 7000 I see no performance scaling (except minimum FPS in games) from going DDR5 4800 to 6000. Better timings does improve performance, but what about stability? How can be 100% sure you are using a stable system for working that should not crash? I am more concerned about stability than performance nowadays. EDIT: For granted stability the best bet is using JEDEC specifications. That way your RAM would have a hefty extra margin for working reliably, as doing RAM overclocking is like going to the edge without falling and satay there.

@Yolo_Swaggins

3 ай бұрын

You check if it's stable really quickly using OCCT and a couple other software tools, really easy. You can't be lazy about it and need to put in the work. If i stuck to JDEC standards i would be losing about 10% performance or more.

@vigilant_1934

3 ай бұрын

@@Yolo_SwagginsExactly JEDEC is like 4800 MT/s. Ryzen still likes fast RAM to this day.

@vigilant_1934

3 ай бұрын

For guaranteed stability without stress testing, use DDR5-5200 which is Ryzen 7000's default speed. AMD recommends DDR5-6000 as the sweet spot that every system with 2 sticks of RAM and a decent motherboard with an up to date BIOS should be able to hit at this point without any problems. As with any overclock, even at the sweet spot company-recommended speed, you should run a few stress tests to make sure it is stable. Buildzoid usually starts with Geekbench (6 was the latest as of last year when I built my PC and 5 was the previous one but still supported and usable), then a memory specific test such as Y-Cruncher and AIDA 64 Extreme. I used his Zen 4 Hynix RAM timings with manual overclock to 6000 MT/s and tested with Geekbench 6 then AIDA 64 Extreme and Y-Cruncher (Multi-core memory test with 5 billion decimals of Pi and no errors). I also tested with Geekbench 5 just to compare it to my old Geekbench tests with the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 3700X. Once all that is done the next thing to go about your normal routine. RAM overclocks (and CPU overclocks) should not only be stable during benchmarks and games but also when your PC is idle.

If I was to install 96gb (2x48gb) Ram instead of 64gb 2x32, will I have to sacrifice a lot of stability/performance?

@theTechNotice

Ай бұрын

Depends on your imc

Rocking 2TB between a 990 PRO and Solidigm P41 Plus

Using 14700K on Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX motherboard with 16*2 GSkill Ripjaws 6000MHz CL30 RAM kits. With XMP enabled PC starts fine works blazing fast but once I try to run heavy tasks for longer periods with Premiere Pro or Aftereffects I am getting BSOD. Have just reset the RAM speeds to 4800MHz let's see how it works.

@Overseer476

Ай бұрын

Check your ram usage

Funny enough I have in I-9 14th gen with r o g dark hero motherboard. I set the RAM to 6000 with four sticks the system boots in safe mode lol

Heres a Mistake i made, put the ram in the wrong slots, i put in 1a and 2a should of been in 1b and 2b i have always filled the slots, first time in 30 years i used less than normal for the speed. XMP wouldn't work, when in the A slots. First position made sense to me.

had the same 4x16gb 6000 early bios (asus) worked with no expo (stable).. and also worked at 6000 4 sticks.. but, next update bios.. 6000 4 sticks didnt work.. then new update bios.. not even 4 sticks with no xmp didnt work.. so i gave up.. i bought 2 x 32gb 6000.. and work super stable with no issue what so ever

Might be worth always repeating the fact that 32GB sticks (each) are currently always 'double sided' so equivalent apart from one address line load to two 16 GB sticks. Current memory chips are either 16 or 24 Gigabits so even 96GB kits will only run as if you had 4 sticks!

every time enable expo and try the settings mine wont post. so i left expo off and moved my ram frequency to 6000 and task manager is showing DDr5 4 of 4 at 6000mhz. asus x670e plus wifi and 7800x3d, from what im learning at least in my case is expo/xmp is for if i want to OC my ram. but if i just want whats on the box i dont need it.

@noxlar

2 ай бұрын

had the same 4x16gb 6000 early bios (asus) worked with no expo (stable).. and also worked at 6000 4 sticks.. but, next update bios.. 6000 4 sticks didnt work.. then new update bios.. not even 4 sticks with no xmp didnt work.. so i gave up.. i bought 2 x 32gb 6000.. and work super stable with no issue what so ever

Fast is nice, reliable is much better. Run mem tests and several performance tests. Back a few years the Prime95 torture test could detect a lot of memory compatibility problems. It often could find problems that Memtest or Memtest86+ couldn't detect if run for 24 hours. Don't know about the current status though. Oh and the figures mentioned as five and six Giga Gerts were technically wrong. The numbers shown were Mega Transfers Per Second, not Mega Cycles Per Second. Yes it's usually called MHZ but that doesn't mean it's right. The actual frequencies are a lower as this is Double Data Rate memory. So the actual bus frequencies are half the number. The question may be if this matters, and in most cases it really doesn't. Just be aware that if a manufacturer lists 6000 Mt/s and another 6000 MHz they are both talking about the same thing, just that the first uses the correct Mega Transfer per Second instead of the incorrect Mega Hertz. Now one more thing that I can't remember were mentioned here were the secondary memory timings. RAM speed and stability is not only dependent on the secondary timings. If you look at the video at 9:30 you can see that XMP I lists two possible options. There is DDR5-6000 34-44-44-84-2N-1.30V-1.30V and DDR5-5600 40-40-40-84-2N-1.30V-1.30V The numbers after 6000 and 5600 is the timings. The primary is the first, also often called Cas Latency or CL. The rest are secondary timings. As seen they can be higher or lower. In general you want the lower numbers as that means the memory will work faster. But using a higher number can sometimes make a memory work more reliably or work at all. The question if using higher timings to make a higher frequency work with your memory, motherboard and CPU will make it faster than using lower timings and lower frequency is a tough matter I won't try to address here, but lets say it's not a simple question. Now these timings can be manually adjusted in the BIOS, but it's something best left to people involved with intense overclocking as it can get quite advanced. Staying with the XMP values are usually the simplest bet. Oh, and what is shown in the video is technically not the BIOS. Technically that motherboard is using UEFI instead of BIOS, and technically what is shown isn't the UEFI but the UEFI Setup Utility. It is the same with a BIOS. What you use to change the settings is the BIOS Setup Utility. It used to be that these were programs you ran from a floppydisk, but having the menu systems included with the BIOS is so much easier that it became a standard practice. Yes I know, semantics. But sometimes it's hard to draw the line where it's OK to shift the usage of words. Also it's sometimes good to know the differences between common practice and the original names.

2:26 So what I'm saying isn't relevant to the topic of the video but it's funny when people choose to speak certain acronyms over a word because the acronym has less letters yet in reality it takes longer to say out loud due to having more syllables.

If you have enough Ram overall, increasing a DDR5 kit from 4800Mhz to the XMP/EXPO profile 6000 speed will not create a noticeable difference in gaming workloads.

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

Yep, you've seen Jayz video, wait for creator workloads ;)

Great video, but one thing you didn't cover is the cas latency. The lower the cas latency of your ram, the better the performance will be.

@theTechNotice

3 ай бұрын

Yes, 100% I'm working on a video for the latency ;)

amd uses DCPO profile and I have 4 sticks of 8GB, total of 32GB and full speed is not an issue. Both 2 and 4 sticks can run at 3600 mhz

@Martin-xx4ip

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, older Ryzen (5000 and older) use DOCP as the overlocked memory profile. Ryzen 7000 and newer is XPO. I have a similar RAM configuration for my 5950X, 32GB at 3600Mhz with timings at CL14-15-15-35.

try setting gear 2 so that the memory controller runs at half speed

hope i didnt fail pairing 79503xd ,G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 6000mhz RGB - DDR5 2 x 32 GB , ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F Gaming WiFi and Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X 24GB