I wonder if Poland's new government will make the EU reconsider whether to use article 7, since it no longer seems likely that Poland would vote in Hungary's favor.

@badluck5647

6 ай бұрын

Slovakia is likely Hungary's new autocratic partner.

@ArcanePower1

6 ай бұрын

@@patagonianpaintthats bullcrap. Biggest party (PVV) has 3 parties they need to work with which are all somewhat pro-EU. Although i have to admit its prob less than the current government

@L_back

6 ай бұрын

PiS isn’t pro Hungarian anymore, either. President Duda openly called Orban a traitor, and he’s right

@plasmacannon1198

6 ай бұрын

@@badluck5647 Slovakia still has pro EU coalition partners, so am doubtful they are a realisable partner for Hungary for this

@msl2299

6 ай бұрын

One can hope. Hungary really needs to either get its shit together cause Orban is gonna be their undoing at this pace.

Ironically, Hungary and Órban are the best arguments for not accepting Ukraine until new governance rules are enacted .

@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462

6 ай бұрын

Bingo. The same was said about Poland until recently. Western Europe needs to have a bit more healthy scepticism towards allowing "young democracies" into the fold.

@znail4675

6 ай бұрын

There needs to be some mechanism to deal with veto abuse. The current issue is that two nations can cover each other, but solving that alone would just up the required number of nations needed. There needs to be a mechanism that can bypass veto, it can even include an EU wide parliament (or whatever each country have) vote.

@nyali2

6 ай бұрын

@@znail4675 It is not a veto. You should get familiar with TEU.

@motyouh1477

6 ай бұрын

Ironically, brain damage can be quite easily diagnosed.

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

@@motyouh1477 No, it is pure inhumanism, putinism, selfishness. Good for us to know. Poland wasn't on this line, sure they use and abuse like Ireland common market, but I do hope they have enough of mankind in themselves not to block and to encourage fellow Europeans who are defending themselves from crazy Middle Ages barbarian regime.

Funny how they always talk about Hungary as the big trouble maker and in the meantime Austria is doing the same thing as well but no one mentions it

@Fullmetalmatin

6 ай бұрын

Gut so scheiß auf die Ukraine

@coyotelong4349

6 ай бұрын

What has Austria vetoed?

@goddessIv

6 ай бұрын

You are right. Many countries are hiding behind Hungary. They need to grow a backbone and come forward as well.

@EndoClaw

6 ай бұрын

You gonna elaborate or no

@GaborFarago-fp1ns

6 ай бұрын

Nem baj keverő,hanem Magyar Miniszter elnök lát tisztán! Háborúban áló ország nem lehet tag! Orosz úgyse engedi👍👍👍💕Putyin,Orbán🤴🤴

Slovakia, Austria and Hungary have all said they'll block it. I'd imagine the Netherlands and several others would block it also.

@herluisalvarado8366

6 ай бұрын

They don't want face with Ukrainian farmers which could steal their agriculture jobs besides their high skiller people. If with Poland when they joined on EU in 2004 wasn't enough when Poles emigrated in mass, with Ukrainians they could kill each other for the few jobs & rent rooms.

@misorodzinak8829

6 ай бұрын

Fico said today that he won't block it

@clementbianchini8651

6 ай бұрын

Bringing back the central power and Austria-Hungary would not even be a surprise at that point

@ericjohnson7234

6 ай бұрын

AN improtant Step in the right DIRECTION!!! The EU isnt fit for purpose as orignally designed. An Economic UNion. IT didnt need to become an EMPIRE!

@attilamarics3374

6 ай бұрын

@@misorodzinak8829 A day ago he said the exact opposite thou. He clearly said Ukraine isnt ready.

It's always been a headshaker that the EU went with a unanimity requirement. A higher threshold than 1/2, sure, but 3/4 or 4/5, not absolutely everyone. The historical precedent is really solid on this, just ask the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - wait, you can't because their legislature was paralyzed by unanimity requirements and the nation gobbled up piece by piece by outside powers. In particular, Russia was always able to find a noble to bribe and hold up decisions. Draw your own parallels.

@alphana7055

6 ай бұрын

Why would any real country want to have the same voting power as a pseudo statelet taxheaven like Luxemburg? Are you actually stupid?

@donaldtrumplover2254

6 ай бұрын

Very major differences though, the commonwealth wasn’t an isolated nation with no outside threats. Europe effectively is, and anything but unanimity may shake the foundations of an already impossible alliance.

@VTSteve

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, unanimity gives too much power to an individual country, not smart. Current Hungary President wants to support Russia, hey, you made your choice, say goodbye to Nato protection, good bye and good luck Orban !!

@westrim

6 ай бұрын

@@donaldtrumplover2254 Except that they have remembered they do have very strong external threats, and there are a half dozen member nations which feel that threat is existential.

@donaldtrumplover2254

6 ай бұрын

@@westrim very strong? Like who? Russia has already been shown to be a backwater, and anyone competent enough to contest the EU is either a military ally or on the opposite side of the world. .

I like how Hungary feels that way, Yet they refuse to leave the E.U! Hypocrisy.

@joostvhts

6 ай бұрын

At this point we're not even surprised right

@tesseygo

6 ай бұрын

They CAN'T leave the EU, they are a poor, semi-dictatorship with no relevance whatsoever, if Orban wants to keep himself and his family and close friends in power he needs the people to be comfortable, and to do that he needs EU funds

@ludwighaugg8239

6 ай бұрын

They would eventually leave,if there would be no realistic chance of a general EU Reform, which seems more likely every year. The Netherlands, Italy, Sweden and Hungary will not stay alone in their anti centalisation agenda.

@kacperzimowski4626

6 ай бұрын

More people in Europe (including probably >50% of Polish people) don't want Ukraine in EU. Please don't execute me for our opinions but the main reasons are: - Extreme corruption, the money donated to Ukraine just tends to be gone - Low quality food export. Grain that can be a source for many parasites and developing bacteria - Ukraine has much stronger connection with Russia than any other EU member. It could lead to a simple war. - The country is losing on the frontline and could potentially be beyond saving. - Today in 2023 there is a common support, and there are common marches for UPA in Ukraine, organisation historically responsible for a g*nocide on 250 000 Jews and 100 000 Poles. Past should remain in the past. Of course, but every passing week you see new monuments and statues of B*ndera being built. Streets & Schools are given new names of "B*ndera". Can you imagine Germany today in 2023 building statues of H*tler? Or have thousands of people marching with portreit of H*tler with torches all around? All 5 points could be argued against. Sure! But these are allegations that many people in the Central Europe have. What we need is other European countries joining EU. There are a few of them that are waiting in line for many years.

@user-ds8rj2vc4v

6 ай бұрын

@@ludwighaugg8239 EU reform is needed, but not in the way you probably want. It'd be to prevent a single dictatorship like Hu from blocking international cooperation and development / progression of the EU.

Slovakia and Austria agrees Hungary and the frozen funds were released about an hour ago. This reporting didn’t age well and it’s only been posted 6 hours ago.

I don't think Ukraine should have any special treatment just because it's at war. The process should remain the same and take the proper time otherwise the EU is not credible . As long as this happens I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed.

@serebii666

6 ай бұрын

Agree. Ukraine, even if it wasn't at a state of War is in a far worse position socially, institutionally and economically than even Bulgaria and Romania were when they applied to the EU, let alone when they joined. It is Ukraine's job to prepare for EU accession and thereby strengthen the union, not the EU's to play white-man's-burden to uplift a fundamentally unready Ukraine. We can offer support and aid as they reform in the meantime.

@notfunny3397

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I get the rapid ascension to NATO, but the don't see why they should skip the line for the EU

@serebii666

6 ай бұрын

@@notfunny3397 There is no "skipping the line" Each EU candidacy is on a case by case basis, not sequential. If that wee the case Turkey backsliding into authoritarianism would have barred Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia from joining the EU. What is important is Ukraine harmonizing with the acquis of the EU, and that is entirely dependent on how the candidate countries are willing and able to reform. Ukraine is unlikely to have any rapid ascension to NATO - even there they would need significant reforms and vetting and anti-corruption measures before they could be integrated into command structures and sharing.

@bigbunny5600

6 ай бұрын

I agree but people need to understand is that Putin only destroying Ukraine because they accepted European Union offer. People see it this as special treatment yes but sabotage the country from entering the Union is way worse especially the European Union was the one that asked Ukraine to Join the Union

@paul1979uk2000

6 ай бұрын

I wouldn't really call this special treatment, after all, it's still a long way to go before Ukraine can join the EU, so there's a lot of work ahead of them. But closing up shop, won't do the moral and war effect in Ukraine any favours, which is probably what Orban wants, has he seems to be a puppet of Putin.

The amount of people talking as if Ukraine will get a special deal to become members immediately.. It's about starting accession negotiations, which can take decades. Probably the same people as those that complained previously that the EU is not acting decisively and quickly enough. Now it does, and it's also no good..

Honestly, if these talks of Ukraine's accession to the EU mean a "free pass" without the screening and chapter process, then I would not judge any of those countries (like Turkey, North Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Bosnia and Kosovo) that tried for decades to join by going through the annoying process of closing all 30+ chapters then suddenly deciding to completely freeze their application and siding with Russia/China. It took ages for North Macedonia and Albania to even get into the accession talks, suddenly fast tracking Ukraine just seems like a slap to the face of these states. :/

@nox5555

6 ай бұрын

Ukraine is also way less stable and democratic than those countries.

@ANDR0iD

6 ай бұрын

Yes... I hate Orbán but what he says is right, the EU should not make an exeption on this. Support Ukraine, but it would create a lot of problems if they would join in their current state. Just look at how much the corruption amd the lack of rule of law in Hungary hurts the EU, now imagine this a lot worse with Ukraine. This is not the reason they are doing it tho, they just want to look good for Putin.

@boarfaceswinejaw4516

6 ай бұрын

no one is saying that Ukraine should be accepted without being screened, approved and whatnot. what is being discussed is allowing ukraine to take on a candidacy status, which is to say not a member, but is currently working towards becoming one. this would allow the EU and Ukraine to work more closely together.

@ggg-cf9zl

6 ай бұрын

Who said about a "free pass"? Actually, there is no question that Ukraine must close all those chapters to become an EU member. And many EU officials publicly stated that.

@gfyphg9871

6 ай бұрын

Literally nobody is just giving Ukraine a free pass they’re just voting for candidates statues and a roadmap process for Ukraine. They would have to reform a lot of things they wouldn’t just automatically join.

Why are you saying threatening? Blocking is not threatening!

Well, someone had to block it. Might as well be Orban.

Hungary: Ukraine is corrupt Also Hungary: we will block aid package to Ukraine unless we receive a kickback

@gaborrajnai6213

6 ай бұрын

Why should we give money to Ukraine? Man the European economy is struggling, and we are playing sugar daddy?

@attilakovacs6428

6 ай бұрын

The liberals also think that the Hungarians will change their minds with bribes! Is it a mistake that Orbán voted with the Hungarians for Ukraine's EU accession? The answer is no! I must be disappointed if you trust our government to change its mind for a little money. In your country it works...

@RogueSecret

6 ай бұрын

Ukraine is ranked as the second most corrupt country in Europe, a country where USA joins a state coup with Bandara neo nazis, an actor that played president in a tv show on Ighor Kolomsky tv channel, Ighor Kolomsky that also made the Azov battalion, robbed his own bank and much more... In under a year, Zelensky will move to USA, and be hated by most of his country... Will be remembered as the president that did not wanting to go for a peace aggreement but rather sacrifice 100.000 of thousands of ppl in a war he allready been told is impossible to win...

6 ай бұрын

​@@RogueSecret According to the latest report by Transparency, the worst countries by corruption index are Hungary (42), Bulgaria (43), and Romania (46) from the EU. You are right, Ukraine got a score of 33, but in this situation Ukraine is in war and they need resources to continue the proxy war. While Hungary is only vetoing it, because they are also insanely corrupt and are quite short on money, so Hungary needs the EU funds A LOT. I don't think Ukrainian people will hate their country/president instead of Russia/Putin. But your message can be copy-pasted and translated into any populist party now, since all of them are shouting this anti-zelensky message which literally makes 0 sense.

@user-li4vy8mp9o

6 ай бұрын

​@@RogueSecret, "Ukraine is the second most corrupt country in the EU"🤩🤩. Big brain moment, my Kremlin bot

Admitting a war-torn Ukraine to the EU would have terrible consequences. This is not a European interest, it is an American interest. Having bought up Ukraine's agriculture and energy industries, they would gain enormous influence in Europe.

I'm from Hungary and pro-EU, but the Ukrainian import ban was needed. My uncle works in agriculture and with the Ukrainian import, wheat and corn prices fell 60-70%. Hungarian farmers were working for a net loss. Other than that, our current gov is an autocratic populist party, I don't wish this to anyone. They ruined our pension system, which I wrote my diploma work about and the sad part is that many people from older generations believe that they are doing good. (Their voters are mainly old ppl) While their pension is not even close to the minimum cost of living in many cases. But as I follow the EU news, I see that in many Western countries, populist parties are getting more and more voters. I guess they will learn the hard way... Ofc we can see the bright side, 1 out of 25 moves of the gov is at least understandable and decently good. The issue is that we have the other 24 which destroys the country.

@randomguy6152

6 ай бұрын

people will ignore Hungarians needs as well as a few other countries needs because the greater group proposed something that the stronger members want to happen and I hate that the EU is ran this way

@MagicMiro

6 ай бұрын

The same happened in Bulgaria, Romania and Poland. The farmers were protesting

@StefanoWeston

6 ай бұрын

Great point. It's not about being anti Ukraine but rather pro Hungarian.

@patriciaszabo8015

6 ай бұрын

Well my parents would like to have a cheaper meal.

@Tejiknasten

6 ай бұрын

I do hope that you and other Hungarian people like you, soon will be able to get the modern, democratic government you deserve. I love Hungary, have been there several times on vacation, and doesn't see how Orban's policies match all the decent, friendly and kind people of Hungary.

Love the TLDR videos! Just a friendly suggestion: could we update the thumbnail picture of Orban? The chap's aged a bit and, let's say, gained a tad around the edges since the last photo. A more recent snapshot might capture his current, uh, 'fuller' appearance. Thanks a bunch!

@GaborFarago-fp1ns

6 ай бұрын

Gúnyolódol?😠👎

@Silver_Prussian

5 ай бұрын

What do you want ? People metabolism slows down when they get older.

I support Ukraine in keeping its full sovereignty but I too do not want them in the EU.

@TymurTopala

6 ай бұрын

Why?

@ShiftAltPrtsc

6 ай бұрын

@@TymurTopala I have nothing against anyone but the EU is for building union and I think Ukraine joining would destabilise the union even further. We do not need more members at this moment. Furthermore, if Union of all of Europe is our ultimate goal we should not exclude Russia like we have for a long time. We made them our enemies, we could have invited them in like we did others after the fall of European communism. Ukraine would be a great addition, so would Russia, the more the merrier, but the current political situation does not allow just Ukraine joining to be a good solution.

@mark-jb5gc

6 ай бұрын

bro you probably braindead @@ShiftAltPrtsc 🤦

@pergys6991

6 ай бұрын

@@ShiftAltPrtsc Literally Russian propaganda. Russia has literally been the threat against Europe for decades now. It's not Europe who antagonize Russia, it was always Russia. Just look at Eastern Europe and how they begged to join NATO. Look at how Merkel and Obama appeased the living shit out of Putin after the Crimea annexation. The West actively appeased Russia and all it got was a slap in the face. Ukraine should join the EU. It deserves to since its also been applying for decades and functionally has joined it with the EU opening its markets to them.

@Tonyx.yt.

6 ай бұрын

what sovereignty? what's left after blackrock, uncle Sam and elensky pockets?

Hungary is capitalizing on its valuable card (EU membership) looking at Russia and China. It is the same thing Turkey is doing with NATO.

@GaborFarago-fp1ns

6 ай бұрын

Jól látod tesó😂

IMO *Orban is trying to blackmail the EU* into providing the funds blocked as a result of his suspected misappropriation of previous funding. *"Follow the money"*

Hungary does not block anything. But it only wants that the aid to Ukraine does not come from the EU budget. Hungarians do not trust the Union, when it comes to joint funds, because they have already been deceived. This is the simple truth. Hungary is also ready to help Ukraine from its own resources, but not from joint borrowing.

Because its nonsense to offer them EU Membership Talks in a State of War with High Corruption and a destroyed Economy. Maybe in 20 Years as Hungary says too. Austria is against too.

Why is Hungary allowed to stay in the EU?

@Geny

6 ай бұрын

Why not? Because it does not meet your political orientation?

@badluck5647

6 ай бұрын

@@Geny Because Orban ignores EU law, and because Hungary has removed EU requirements like Rule of Law, an independent judiciary, and a free press.

@Geny

6 ай бұрын

@@badluck5647 Most countries have violated EU law, including the UK, Poland and more

@badluck5647

6 ай бұрын

@@Geny The UK left, and Poland voted in pro-democracy candidates who reverse Poland's democratic backsliding. Hungary should follow their example.

@badluck5647

6 ай бұрын

@@TheIrishLad06 His next example will be Russia

Great video!

Hungary is blocking Ukraine's EU accession because Turkey isn't in the EU to do it.

@abodabalo

6 ай бұрын

At this point I would even swap these two.

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

A lot more countries would block it, but Hungary voices its opinion the loudest so others can keep their voice down and be happy this madness doesnt go any further.

@abodabalo

6 ай бұрын

@@csat1078 The madness of willing to "sacrifice" Europe to Russia goes indeed quite far.

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

​@@abodabalo Ukraine is not a member of any alliance. Do I think that it is sad / bad that they were attacked? Yes. Do I think Russia could ever occupy the complete territory of Ukraine? No. It doesnt have the manpower. Do I think that it is realistic that Russia would be able to attack any NATO country with conventional weapons? No. It is bogged down in Ukraine and it wont move forward. Do I think that it is bad that people are dying? Yes. I think ukranian and russian families equally feel the pain of getting back human wrecks with torn limbs, mentall y disturbed and disfigured soliders, kids loose their parents and whole families have their lives, homes, existence destroyed. "Europe" is a lot more than Ukraine. At the moment the european economy is crumbling (and Germany its engine is going into deep recession for years). I don't think anybody is going to be able to help the ukranians by destroying the whole EU economically. I don't think getting more into debt is going to be good for the future Europeans. And while I'm sad for the ukranians they are not my people, they arent even our allies and apart from the sympathy and empathy I have towards every human being I don't think I need to help them with an inch more than any other wartorn country: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Jemen etcetcetc. They aren't in any way special.

@attilakovacs6428

6 ай бұрын

We Hungarians were asked by the government if we support Ukraine's EU accession? Did your government also ask you? The answer of the Hungarians: NO! We don't want to spend more on Ukraine just so that the USA can get rich. The USA owns the Ukrainian lands! If this is important to USA, finance your investment!

Congratulations to Ben for finally getting a chair and even a real desk. You've earned it!

Why is the EU even considering making Ukraine a part of EU right now!

@M0ngergang

6 ай бұрын

Can't you see it they wanted to start a war with Russia they cannot live with themselves knowing they failed miserably.

@lc9902

6 ай бұрын

Good question, excellent question!

@petibojkov6813

6 ай бұрын

Because EU leaders are clowns

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

because of institutionalized corruption called lobbying.

@nelidabeatrizcapuano4520

6 ай бұрын

No lo sabes?Inocente o ignorante?

I don't understand why we should allow Ukraine in when they don't live up to the democratic standards of the EU. Just look at what a problem Hungary and other Eastern states has become. Ukraine is one of, if not, the most corrupt states in Europe. It's judiciary is not independent, nor unbiased. And their ascension would flood the European market with more cheap labour and undermine worker's already in Europe.

@gfyphg9871

6 ай бұрын

What Hungary is blocking is the road map to enter in the European Union Ukraine would have to reform a lot of things in order to be allowed in. They wouldn’t just automatically enter

@gaborrajnai6213

6 ай бұрын

Really? I thought that Zelensky changed the German constitution by sending out his forces to beg for tanks, i would even say that Ukrainian secret services had their touch on that action. He literally accused of sabotaging one of Europe's gas pipeline, and no action was made against him. Why should we pretend that you have the upper hand against him. Your leaders are weak AF to say him no or validly putting barriers and roadmaps before Ukraine, where they wouldnt try to move the goalpost or get ahead with a little bit of name and shaming, so theres no roadmap or anything which could convince any realist to let them in while he is in power.@@gfyphg9871

@christopherodonovan

6 ай бұрын

Zelensky was elected on an anti corruption campaign but couldnt do anything due to the level of corruption. But the war changed that and now he is cleaning house. But as the previous comment said it will take them time.

@msl2299

6 ай бұрын

Pretty sure this video is not about actual joining (Ukraine is not up to standards) but a road map which would guide Ukraine as to what they have to do to become a member. Best to not get caught by the clickbait titles.

@christopherodonovan

6 ай бұрын

@@Besthinktwice maybe not. A country like Ukraine doing what it's doing against a superpower is Churchillian. Will be interesting to see if you're right but no proof yet.

Orban How do you want to help the Hungarian minority in Ukraine? when you blocks Ukraine's entry into the EU.

Bosnia went trough hell and they push conditions for them it seems unfair to accept Ukraine while Bosnia is getting railed by EU application

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

Bosnia is not a real country. I mean, they literally have Republika Srpska, so Serbs didn't lost that war. Ukraine doesn't has that. So, you see. Even without Crimea, Ukraine is more richer and useful soil. Even if you let self determination of the people there, three parts will go into war or their was, leaving only some part of Bosnia. Ofc, they weren't allowed to self- determinate ever and even after 20 years they don't funtion nor they ever will.

@DirtySancheeezz

6 ай бұрын

@@josipag2185 so what you're saying minorites in the country can have their own country so Russians have the same rights in Ukraine as Serbs did in the 90's

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

@@DirtySancheeezz No, I am not saying this. I am saying that in Bosnia, you have( and literally done by Dayton, btw), a state within the state and it is called Republika Srpska. But either way Bosnia is not funtional country nor will it be in the near future (maybe in 100 yrs, who knows), bcs they don't care about common welfare now. As there is more things (they think ofc) that separates them then they have in common.

It is really nice of you guys to straight up ignore the fact that Ukrainian crops are are farmed with non EU conform fertilisers etc. Therefore EU members didn't only ban them to protect markets, but also for quality assurance.

Nothing to talk about the joining criteria hasn't been met and there is an ongoing war in Ukraine where is the 50 billion coming from to a non member state???!

It's always quite foggy in your studio, do you have a sauna nearby?

God bless Magyarország.

"Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia all unilaterally" I do not think it means what you think it means.

Great video

Thanks for the tip about Give Well

Smokescreens. Not only Hungary, most EU countries will eventually block Ukraine's EU accession. Nobody is able to pay the very large (biggest) subsidies to the huge Ukrainian agrarian sector, and the rich EU countries will not accept that the balance of power shifts to eastern Europe - which it would with the many votes Ukraine will be entitled to.

@juki6377

6 ай бұрын

plot twist prior to the war many of those using ukranian soil for their super farms were.. other EU members (French super farms had pretty much moved over there) - i wonder though with all the ammunition going into the soil if pollution wont be a matter?

@deleteme924

4 ай бұрын

Also the US has too much influence in Ukraine, so I'm against them joining

A previous video from your channel mentioned that Montenegro was way ahead on the accession process. Why give Ukraine special treatment? Wouldn't this be unfair to other EU candidates?

@yuriydee

6 ай бұрын

Montenegro would still remain way ahead. Ukraine still has hundreds or laws and reforms to pass before any serious talk of joining the EU (as mentioned in the pas video as well). This status would just mostly be political message to Ukrainian people that the future is worth fighting for.

@motyouh1477

6 ай бұрын

@@yuriydee Fighting until the last Ukrainian? Is that what you want? The Russians are setting up meat grinder after meat grinder for the Ukrainians. This whole EU-accession scheme is designed by the corrupt Ukrainian and EU political elite only to gain access to the pre-accession funding in my opinion. But given some degree of goodwill, and let's accept that UA is ready: why this hurry suddenly? Especially in a period, where the EU itself has structural and economical problems to solve?

@GaborFarago-fp1ns

6 ай бұрын

Egyedül a Magyar Miniszterelnök,gátolja ezt! Többinek nincs mersze,pedig mellé kéne állni .legalább a V 4ek lennének eggyhanguak! Gyávák.szerintem Ukrajna sorsa Trianon lessz .mint annóMagyarországgal.és ezért nem állnak oda.kis szeletet mind akar Amerika a termő főldet akarja uralni!Putyin úr ezt úgysem hagyja!!!!!!!😂😂😂😂 Hajrá Magyarország👍💕💪🤴

Due to the glory of accents and pronunciation every time I hear about Hungary's leader I think that they are talking about Dr Alvmban of ' Sing Hallelujah!' fame. Now that would make the crisis a lot more interesting

Ukraine has no business in the EU or NATO. Romania had to go through a lot to get accepted (including with Ukraine, who were far from good neighbors) and now they get admitted out of pity? It's a disgrace. Also, the language problem in Ukraine is very much a thing. They essentially prohibited learning in Romanian too. And I also don't think they actually did anything about their corruption problems besides a few scape goats.

@user-wm5rt9pw5l

6 ай бұрын

Our language policy is tough on everyone at the same time. However, there is nothing unusual about it. The closest analogue is France.

@eralfion5316

6 ай бұрын

But France isn't a multi-ethnic state does it? They started aggressively assimilate everyone after the French revolution if I remember correctly. So I assume now everyone who would speak a different alnguage there is an immigrant or their descendant, while the Ukrainian minorities are historical ones.@@user-wm5rt9pw5l

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

It is a roadmap. They will have to go trough all the standard procedure. But at least they are brave enough and willimg to die because they want to join the EU and NATO. It is not about Romania nor Romania is everything. Gosh. Every single country on the east had to meet standards to join. It is what it is.

@vladislavlingrowski173

6 ай бұрын

Ukraine has the same GDP as Romania did when it had joined. And Ukraine didn't prohibit Romanian language. You can't go to a school in Romania and avoid learning Romanian. Yet thats exactly what Romanians, Hungarians, Russians etc. want in Ukraine

@user-ou6dr8mt7k

6 ай бұрын

And why do they want to join the EU so bad? Because it will magically turn Ukraine into a wealthy country and they'll get free money? That's hardly motivation @@josipag2185

I can't be sure of Orban's goals, but I do know, that if you have an issue with minority right it is an extremely bad idea to forgo your veto, just because a favorable law is passed. What will happen, is eventually they will walk back that law and you no longer have any leverage to force them to act otherwise.

@theb1z0n

6 ай бұрын

I agree. For complete picture I'd like to also present the fact that Orban has some merch and even a whole globe in his cabinet where Ukrainian lands with these minorities is marked as Hungarian. The same for Romanian territories. Taking into account how Putin started this war 10 years ago saying that a lot of people in Donbass region speak Russian, Ukrainian people just can't forgot that situation. How to solve this? Idk. International organizations don't give much hope in punishing the agressor.

@LukeVilent

6 ай бұрын

His goal is to get as much money here and now, while pootin still can pay him for trojan-horsing and Hungarians still don't feel the consequences.

@ammalessingtaweesak4316

6 ай бұрын

Hungary want Zakarpattia (maybe)

6 ай бұрын

No, Hungary would never attack these regions under Orbán (for multiple reasons). Most crucially, even if he had the power and will at home, as well as NATO and the EU turning a blind eye (which he doesn't), it's just not sensible politically. He's pouring billions into these regions (in Ukraine, Romania and Serbia mostly) in order to buy their votes (which is working very well). Keeping them across the border and "oppressed by their governments" is absolutely perfect, as it justifies pouring money there, while simultaneously allowing Orbán to play the role of the benevolent protector of such regions. If they were in Hungary, it'd be just another region with expensive schools, hospitals, etc that the government is struggling to fund properly.

@motyouh1477

6 ай бұрын

Of course, you can't be sure of Orban's goals, because the media you consume doesn't quote him on the issue.

I'm trying to explain as a Hungarian person from Hungary why Viktor Orbán doesn't want to admit Ukrainians, and I'll add a couple of points. Firstly, if Ukraine were to receive EU candidate status before Western Balkan countries that have been trying to join the EU for decades, it would undermine the EU's credibility towards those countries, potentially forming a Balkan bloc with Russian influence. Another important aspect, emphasized by the Hungarian Prime Minister, is the different legal framework for a country at war compared to a neutral one. Supporting a country as an EU member that has banned all opposition parties, labeled the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as Russian spies, and has all media currently censored by Zelensky's associates using state-sanctioned means is challenging. Lastly, there's the agricultural issue. If Ukrainian grain is allowed unrestricted access to the European market, it could harm Hungarian farmers. This concern led the Polish, Slovak, and Hungarian governments to impose a ban on grain imports, fearing that the influx of very cheap wheat would devastate many Hungarian farmers. As for the nature of corruption reaching levels similar to Russia, that goes without saying. The Hungarian Prime Minister mentioned in an interview today that he doesn't want to lead Hungary out of the EU but rather "occupy" it. I assume this is meant in a cultural sense, but beyond that, I cannot speculate further.

@msl2299

6 ай бұрын

I feel ya points but like, Ukraine will have to adjust to actually become member. I mean Turkey been a candidate longer then a solid chunk of EU members been in EU. So I feel grain case is more of now issue then Ukraine in EU issues, cause rn it does not adhere to the EU standards. As for the opposition- pretty sure opposition in question was all pro-Russian parties, if your country was in war with say, Austria, you would also block pro-Austrian parties from possibly meddling and helping the attacker.

@msl2299

6 ай бұрын

Not to mention I doubt Ukraine will join any time soon unless they fix those issues they have. It is long road ahead, no matter if they become candidates or not. Also, I kinda doubt Viktor Orban, who is pretty famous for his pro-Russian stance, has those issues on first place as to why he doesn’t want Ukraine to join.

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

Don't neglect the fact that Ukraine is a country in ruins. Ukraine doesn't bring any economic benefit to the EU in its current form. The minerals and land they could offer is already deep in debt towards /owned by american companies.

@bencedukavits6271

6 ай бұрын

@@msl2299 I see what you mean but your answer originates back to my point where I enhanced the legal status of Ukraine.

@bencedukavits6271

6 ай бұрын

@@csat1078 Exactly.

Update, Orban; When your enemy is making mistakes; Do nothing.

i might be mistaken but is not whole point of sur-governmental structure as EU to partially dictate collective development course, thus when you join such structure you subscribe to it's conduct. I suggest Viktor live EU if it annoys him so much

Ukraine has wide-ranging issues with its treatment of minorities. Every 6 months it seems there's a new law on minorities in Ukraine. But the problems are more structural, deeply ingrained within Ukrainian culture.

@archie2038

6 ай бұрын

Each country has to protect its core nation and culture, especially if the country is under attack aimed at destruction of said nation and culture. Every 6 months there's a new law to protect Ukrainian language on Ukrainian land, mostly focused to reverse the consequences of Russian influence and it is completely justified since Russia is an aggressor.

@tonasansandri5848

6 ай бұрын

Ok so these laws are designed to protect Ukrainian culture and language from >Russian< aggression... so explain to me why, as this video pointed out, ethnic Hungarians are being impacted by this law (and I'm assuming other minorities) as well and the only reason why the laws are being changed is because Ukraine has realised that if they don't then their bid to join the eu will struggle, not because they've realised the laws are wrong. Looking at things on a small scale, what if you have ethnic Russians in Ukraine who are not pro Putin, possibly even pro Ukraine? Enacting laws like this punishing them for what they are forcing them to change could be viewed as a form of ethnic cleansing which makes 'protecting core nation and culture' look more like far right nationalism. And on that note if other nations tried to implement laws like Ukraine has where the core nation/ culture is protected or raised up people would be crying xenophobia and swarming the streets demanding the laws be revoked immediately. Hell, even talking about minorities in even a remotely negative way is enough to start a shit show, just look at Suella Braveman (or however you spell her name) in the UK recently. Yes the war with Russia is wrong and shouldn't be happening, but Ukraine does not deserve a free pass on things that other nations can't get a way with just because of that. @@archie2038

@amanshilanov6237

6 ай бұрын

​@tonasansandri5848 another victim of Russian propaganda. Other languages were allowed at schools, there were plans to limit them but they never went through. However, yes they changed the laws since the war began. But I'm sorry when your whole identity is being threatened, Russians are saying your language, history, culture does not exist, God damn I'll do everything to prove them wrong.

@user-mc9fm3zx2e

6 ай бұрын

​@@tonasansandri5848yeah, why are the Hungarians who were forcing Magyarisation on Ukrainians in Zakarpattia for decades are "affected" by the law? Apparently we are going to justify de-Ukrainianisation of Ukraine if it is done by non-Russians now? The law's main goal is to ensure all citizens of Ukraine know Ukrainian so they can study in Ukraine's universities instead of going to those of other countries. Hungarians from Zakarpattia, after finishing Hungarian schools with extremely low ZNO (Ukraine's exams) results because of poor (often almost non-exstent) knowledge of Ukraine just chose to leave Ukraine and study in Hungary. The law also protects the right of Ukrainians to their native language in the whole territory of our country. Because there is no other country in the world that will defend that right

@user-mc9fm3zx2e

6 ай бұрын

​@@tonasansandri5848Russia is pretty much getting away with occupying territories of three different countries right now. In the occupied territory of Ukraine, Russia is pretty much genociding Ukrainian speakers. And yet, Russia can get away with a literal genocide while you are blaming Ukraine for decolonisation

Democracy has just become a game of who can drown each other out with legal troubles first…

is that not the point of law-making body that is not one-person rule?

Transfer those 50bn to the Western Balkans :)

Viktor Orban is seen as a useful loudmouth since he freely expresses things that other EU governments may agree with but are too embarrassed to speak about.

@Mrac-zz8vh

6 ай бұрын

It is not embarrasment. It is fear.

@GaborFarago-fp1ns

6 ай бұрын

Ezt beszariságnak hívják😂😂😂😂 hajráPutyin🎉❤

Well if u don’t agree with Eu rules just leave U can not enjoy Fonds from Eu and not it’s politics

@gaborrajnai6213

6 ай бұрын

We dont have problems with existing EU rules, one of them is the actual unanimity of voting in a new EU candidate. Lets be crystal clear here, you neocons want to change the rules, not Orban, he is the one who sticks to them.

Again... Fix inside, then expand...

Ukraine is not ready in any shape to join the European union!!!!!!!!!!

Annoying when the people you dont like (orban) are doing the right things for the wrong reasons, and the people you do like are doing the wrong thing for weird reasons. We cant seriously talk about Ukrain accession right?

@solsunman383

6 ай бұрын

No we can't. Because Orban is blocking the beginning of the process. If Orban conceded, Ukraine wouldn't automatically join. It would simply put Ukraine in the same place as say Serbia or Turkey. That is to say, a road-map would be prepared for Ukraine to clear their house and meet European standards. At that point, (likely many years in the future,) Ukraine would be able to join the EU. What Orban is blocking is the discussion process, not the EU fast-tracking Ukraine in.

@chrishekman6179

6 ай бұрын

@@solsunman383 Yes I know. That doesnt change the fact it is a bad idea - Ukraine should not enter that stage either.

Will you update the intro to feature the new Polish prime minister instead of Mateusz Morawiecki?

Wonderful video

Things can't go on like this, something has to change or we'll be all stuck at every corner. I hope we can move on from self interests towards the common good

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

I guess with Hungary and Bungarian inhumanity and bulling we can't. Ut was just a road map. I hope they get that we, the rest of Europeans now see them as Troian Putinists horses that just watch their self interest and not defence of Europe. They are as shameful as Russians. 🤮🤮🤮🤮

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

I guess with Hungary and Hungarians inhumanity and bulling we can't. It was just a road map and money help. Those people are dying this was a motivation and help. I hope they get that we, the rest of Europeans now see them as Troian Putinists horses that just watch their self interest and not defence of Europe. They are as shameful as Russians. 🤮🤮🤮🤮

ukraine should not be part of the EU

I hope so.

Is it normal I had to pay extra for the delivery of Too Long??????

As long as Ukraine is in an active war, and as long as it doesn't fulfill all the requirements for EU accession (which it does not at the moment), I would hope that Hungary and frankly many other EU countries would block such an unrigthful, fast-tracked accession.

@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547

6 ай бұрын

Well Ukraine implemented the first wave of EU requirements placed upon it to reform so it can eventually join the EU faster then the EUs best case projection.

@LG-bs1rs

6 ай бұрын

Facts. People need to realize that joining the EU should be a net positive thing. Not something that becomes a burden

@yuriydee

6 ай бұрын

How does a fast-tracked accession hurt the EU here? Its not like Ukraine will suddenly implement the hundreds of new laws and reforms over night. Realistically the roadmap will probably be a decade or so. This is mostly a political goodwill to show Ukrainian people there is a future to fight for....

@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547

6 ай бұрын

@@yuriydee yeah all the fast track accession proposals still include Ukraine having to meet all the Maastricht criteria, the EU would just accelerate the bureaucratic process of joining and help more actively in reaching that standard

@KT-bc1ql

6 ай бұрын

Eu will not gain anything by taking ukraine it will be just a burden for all of us. It will impose risk of wide spread conflict with russia in the future! Also ukraine is not a part of european culture. Learn the history! Its a newly formed contry without real history, that commited multiple genocides on poland in its past separatist ambitions. Its a no mans land. Right now everybody is blinded by correctness.

I don’t think Ukraine should be allowed to join the EU. The effect on the agricultural sector would be too great.

Every country has to put their own ppls interests first

Yeah the EU's unanimity vote really doesnt do favours for the whole cooperation and hinders a lot of progress. Similarly to the UN. I'd really benefit more from having 2/3rds or 3/4ths majority in favour to make it pass , which is still enough to have a vast majority for decissions, but also makes it harder for single countries with corrupt leaders to interrupt any meaningful incentives that would improve lives across the EU.

Does anyone know on what other EU countries will benefit on when Ukraine DOES join the EU? What do the current countries get out of it?

@ericjohnson7234

6 ай бұрын

nothing. It will just be more money in the pockets of the EU upper classes while screwing over once again the European wroking classes.

@basszoneproduction

6 ай бұрын

@@NC-dw3tk The points you bring up. I don't see why this needs an EU membership. so no these aren't benefits for them joining the EU

The EU should invoke Article 7 and see if it passes (Slovakia would likely vote No).

Ha, Magyarország nem lenne demokrácia, higye el már az utcán tüntettnénk és elzavarnánk a kormányt 😊

the EU is not a goverment , it could be but is not , you can't impose something to other members states , Orban like the other leaders follow their own national interests , they can still send aid as individual states not need of the eu for that , Germany destroyed their economy doing so

By the way, regarding the grains: Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, they all respect that we have taxes above the selling price of them, we comply, but Ukraine said: f*ck all of you we sell under that price, because we don't care about those countries and that those countries may lose all the crops because no buyers...so for me this behavior is like a wolf dressed in a sheep clothing....and when they will be in Eu, they will get their wolf teeth out, because they have an economy almost as big as GERMANY!!!! that is why Ukraine is important, for the money

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

It is a roadmap. France and Netherlands first will be against this. They literally stoped South American deal.

@vladislavlingrowski173

6 ай бұрын

So you don't know how free market works and instead of educating yourself you're posting stupid comments? Did Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland etc. care about German of French jobs when large companies moved their factories for cheap labor? Nope. So these arguments are hypocrisy. And Ukrainian companies didn't see grain cheap just because they wanted to. They sold it because Ukraine was cut off from selling it in any other way but through EU, which led to a huge amounts of it showing up on European market. Want to blame someone for that? EU traders should be your target, not Ukraine. Well them and Russia of course

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

​@@vladislavlingrowski173ukraine was allowed to transport its grain via the eu to be able to reach markets it traded on before the war. but instead of doing that ukraine illegally dumped its banned products on the eu market it had no access to. And now you are talking about a "free market"? You know on a free market everyone has to follow the same rules! You cant have GMO and you cant use banned chemicals and you have to follow all the same rules as countries within the EU do. Surprise-surprise that is going to raise costs for you as well.

@strippedlist

6 ай бұрын

you are the reason why eastern europe is still in middle ages, you are looking what is missing not what is done, and that behavior shows something that is USUAL in the mentality of the nation, which is formed by the russians all through the years. First get rid off all the bad in your country, and before demanding something, change!!! for good, otherwise you remain medieval country, and you know what poor people do? they steal, lie and deceive. First of all your country still owns 2 billion dollars to Romania for the iron factory in Donetsk...so stfu@@vladislavlingrowski173

@strippedlist

6 ай бұрын

you will see when the paycheck is coming how your leaders raise the taxes in your country :)) smart ass@@vladislavlingrowski173

Okay are so many of these comments with a lot of likes Russian bots or are people genuinely this stupid? These talks would NOT admit Ukraine into the EU. Accession into EU will take a decade if not less with all the required laws and reforms that still need to be passed. "Fast tracking" the accession would just move Ukraine to next stage where it has to fulfill these requirements. Stop commenting about how Ukraine shouldnt join EU now during war....because no shit that is not on the table in the first place.

Did he say hungry?

And who pays for the repair of the war-torn Ukraine after Russia lost (if they lose)? Hint: it will be the EU. The Ukraine has no business in the EU, especially not deserving an easier access and being a member won't save it from any future invasions.

Letting Ukraine join the EU is a joke, especially after shutting the door on several countries that were striving to be included in the bloc for decades now. Ukraine doesn't match the most basic criteria, giving them a free pass is going to be catastrophic for the member states.

@gfyphg9871

6 ай бұрын

But really, don’t you read any news? Nobody is giving a free pass to Ukraine they are just voting on the candidate status and giving it a roadmap of reforms to enter they would have to reform they wouldn’t just be automatically allowed in

@msl2299

6 ай бұрын

They are not joining though? Ukraine still has huge road before they meet standard go joining the union. They at most might get candidate status. I would sooner expect some of Balkan countries to join.

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

​@@gfyphg9871Implement what is required then they *might* get candidate status. Do the work like all other countries do first.

@yurik8468

6 ай бұрын

This is how Ukraine went for almost 2 decades. One of the reasons for the overthrow of Yanukovych is his promises regarding rapprochement with the EU, which he personally broke, changing the entire vector. That set us back for years.

@yuriydee

6 ай бұрын

Maybe you should learn to analyze news better then because no one is admitting Ukraine into EU. Ascension talks and candidate status put Ukraine still decade or more away from EU. Only a couple of reforms have been already passed into UA law, and a this agreement would just provide a roadmap for Ukraine to fill out before it can join.

Ukraine should not get a quicker process just because it is at war. Look at Cyprus, which still remains occupied by Turkey and somehow the EU has still done nothing since 1974, to get rid of them. The EU is just doing its own thing and each nation within has its own cultural interests and personal interests. Not surprisingly at all, because what goes in Scotland doesn’t go in Bulgaria and what is good for Greece isn’t necessarily good for Estonia.

@solsunman383

6 ай бұрын

Scotland isn't in the EU. I understand your point though (also, only Northern Cyprus is occupied).

Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. If Ukraine becomes an EU member, it will cost huge sums of money of the current member states. Ukraine alone can pull down the entire EU. Ukraine is currently an unviable country. The United States of America does not want and will not support Ukraine in the long term.That is why it is important for America that the financing of Ukraine be transferred to the EU as soon as possible.

I hope so, keep the money for ourself instead giving it away to clown Zelensky.

Hungary needs to leave the EU rather than trying to destroy it from within. Just makes him look sly to me, would respect him more it he did as we did and simply left.

@badluck5647

6 ай бұрын

Putin's Trojan Horse

@calumbishop7082

6 ай бұрын

The problem is, as the UK has shown, leaving the EU can have dire political and economic consequences. If Brexit had worked then Orban/Hungary would off probably left the EU a long time ago, but because of Brexit's many, MANY failures, even the most extreme anti-EU politicians are no longer advocating for their countries to leave the bloc.

@rizkyadiyanto7922

6 ай бұрын

he doesnt care about your opinion lmao.

@MM-un3ob

6 ай бұрын

Most Hungarians love the EU. They want the benefits of it. Leaving it would probably tank Hungary in terms of commerce, at least on the short period. Orban knows this. He is a sly snake and Germany has enabled it far too long. Then Poland protected him, and now Slovakia and then the Netherlands will. Maybe even italy (Meloni drolls over Orban). We will never get rid of this cancerous despot. He will be the crack through which foreign powers will break Europe and turn it into a satellite, at best.

@JamesL42

6 ай бұрын

@@calumbishop7082 Europe is doing just as bad us economically. Our economy is poor because of the War, the effects of Covid, and government mismanagement, not the effects of Brexit which have been all in all tame.

EU set up a scheme for joining the union and now they are making exceptions for Ukraine. Special treatment should not be allowed as it underestimates the core values of the EU and its principals. Another thing is that the EU should first deal with their internal issues instead of expanding. If the foundation of a building is broken or unstable, you have to fix it before expanding- same should apply in this case.

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

No it is just a roadmap. Who knows wgen Ukraine will join. With this endless war, not in a decade

@maxhugen

6 ай бұрын

How is setting up a roadmap for Ukraine suddenly an "exception"? And as far as the EU goes, it's had non-stop issues of one nature or another since inception, yet still functions. Your assertion of a "broken or unstable foundation" is unrealistically exaggerated .

@motyouh1477

6 ай бұрын

@@maxhugen It's not "just setting up a roadmap". Pre-accession period includes financial aid for reaching the accession goals. But since Ukraine hasn't even met the preconditions, the risk of wasting the money by not reaching these goals on time and is high.

@maxhugen

6 ай бұрын

@@motyouh1477 Considering the current state of invasion I'm sure there is a _great_ deal more involved than just a roadmap. But many are considering the potential costs should Ukraine not be successful at expelling the orcs, first and foremost.

@motyouh1477

6 ай бұрын

@@maxhugen Russia's win would definitely cost the current EU elite's credibility. But what do I care for them?

Any sane response to Ukraine joining NATO is no. The heading should thus be "Why is Hungary sane?"

Hungary needs kicked out the EU, they do not fit and they work with Russia on the side.

It doesn't matter if Hungary blocks Ukraine anyways. The condition for entering the EU or NATO is that you can't have a territorial dispute with another country.

@carterfield8150

6 ай бұрын

They do.

@user-mc9fm3zx2e

6 ай бұрын

There is not such condition. Cyprus is in the EU, while Western Germany was in NATO even when it officially considered Eastern Germay to be a part of its territory

@GaborFarago-fp1ns

6 ай бұрын

Nagyon is számít Magyarország szavazása! Ne kalóttyálj itt hülyeséget 😂😂😂

Hungary is like Serbia, adjacent to Putin's Russia

@MrBurnsExcellent

6 ай бұрын

good much of the eu are more corrupt than Russia itself stop thinking because there "pro democracy" that its true because its not

@juditmogyorosi2438

6 ай бұрын

visit Hungary & your opinion is going to change ... wake up!

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

​​@@juditmogyorosi2438 No, it won't. I travelled whole Europe with the open backpack and I got robbed only in Hungary where I was watching actually. Awful country that already betrayed Europe like Greece (Constatinople got sacked from behind, but at least Byzantinum had a good reasom, tired of Bulgarians, Venetians sacking them and Serbian Dusan had then the same idea) letting Ottomans to enter and wast. So, I am not surprised with this attitude now. Typical traitor behaviour.

Its probably not gonna happen the next 5 years... Maby even 10 years...

Everyone seems very cheerful about ukraine joining EU,but do you also realize that there is a defensive pact within the EU? Ukraine joining EU would certainly mean a full scale war with russia! Which will go nuclear keep this in mind!

Giving Ukraine that instant negotiation status will be a ''lovely'' message for all the Balkan countries that are decades on the road to joining, who needed to fulfill like a million (mostly political) conditions many of them were low-key humiliating blackmails, and there's nothing similar like that for Ukraine even though Ukraine is (even before the war) on every possible aspect years even decades behind those Balkan countries (level of democracy, corruption, freedom of speech, economy, living standards, human rights etc...). Hungary, ironically, is saving the EU from hypocrisy, double standards, and being a laughing stock. Why should Balkan countries, if the Ukraine instant negotiations pass, still consider the EU as a legit partner and not find some other, more reliable, trading partners EU is in political, influential, and economic decline anyway....?

@Andronichuk

6 ай бұрын

Orban was educated in Soros funded university... He's not one to save anyone from being a Hypocrite

@patrickstar5136

6 ай бұрын

Giving negotiation status needs literally no requirement appart from all EU nations agreeing.

@miroslavilic5006

6 ай бұрын

@patrickstar5136 well, it definitely wasn't like that with the Balkan states... there were a lot of ridiculous demands to be fulfilled just to get a candidate status and even more to start negotiating...

@patrickstar5136

6 ай бұрын

@@miroslavilic5006 yes presumably with individual (groups of) EU members to get their individual agreements but not with the EU as a whole. Getting the agreement of individual member states usually requires giving those members something in return that is politically advantageous to them. Supporting Ukraine will generally do well in polls so Ukraine doesn't need to negotiate as much because to the politicans approving Ukraines step to negotiation status is basically automatically politically helpful to them.

@attilamarics3374

6 ай бұрын

@@patrickstar5136 If supportign Ukraien would do well generally then EU elections would have looke dlike they were a few months and a year ago. Candidates had to run on not supporting Ukraine in many states. Even in Poland.

Leaders of Hungarian and Slovakian communities in Transcarpathia appeal to the European Counci, Orban and Fico to support the start of negotiations on Ukraine's accession to the EU. They said that the new draft law adopted by the Ukrainian parliament significantly reflects the interests of national minorities and enjoys their full support. I wonder what Orban will answer on that, cause it looks like the problem with minorities bothers him the most (actually it doesn't), but he needs to work off moscow's money somehow And also I wanna thank to all Europeans for helping of my country to kick russia's ass. We appreciate your support very much, we doing our best to solve all problems including corruption in order to join your European Family soon 🇺🇦🤝🇪🇺

@theuralictribes5689

6 ай бұрын

It's like I read a speech made by Hitler and Goebbels 😂 What a racist Hungarianophobic Nazi, Ukraine lost nearly 500 000 troops where as Russia only lost only about 50 000 troops, and they have mobilised over a Million in the Army reserves so Russia hasn't even started or played its cards yet. But you want to yap your mouth about kicking Russia in the rear end and winning the war what a joke.

@Andre-by4su

6 ай бұрын

His answer: you are insignificant and don`t concern me, lol. Shut up or no more money.

@97Corvi

6 ай бұрын

I really Hope that your contry Will be able to join us ! 🇪🇺💜🇺🇦🇺🇦

@meprivate6923

6 ай бұрын

He's going to hold it up because fascists get along with fascists.

@attilamarics3374

6 ай бұрын

@@meprivate6923 Or because Ukraien doesnt even have a chance to be a candidate. It doesnt meet requiriments. Not to mention these Hungarians in Ukraine probably want this, because Ukraine conscripts from them more.

EU should just depose Orban like what the Warsaw Pact did to Nagy in 1956. Tanks work better than complaining.

again, only europeans could look at a near endless supply of cheap food and think it's a problem. it's called the free market, if you can't compete with ukrainian farmers, get better.

@Dargor110

6 ай бұрын

GMO banned. Pesticides banned. Methods banned. Compete with what? That is the issue for most of us, we have to adhere to strickt rules and regulations, and then they decide to llet in their cereals not helld to the same standards. Ofc it is cheaper.

@cageybee7221

6 ай бұрын

@@Dargor110 it sounds like the solution is admit ukraine into the EU so they will be forced to follow the same regulations as everyone else.

Doesn't Hungary also have the highest percentage of revanchism for its pre-1920 borders.

@buurmeisje

6 ай бұрын

For good reasons lol

@Tovalokodonc

6 ай бұрын

You know, that's what happens when you strip a country 1/3rd of its ethnic population, 2/3rds of its territory (most of its natural resources, half the industry), leave behind a disjointed railway system and industry, diplomatically and economically isolate it and do nothing when minority rights are grossly violated in the then newly established multiethnic countries, etc etc.. Shaming a country for such a national trauma just speaks volumes of your "arrogant ignorance"

@Tovalokodonc

6 ай бұрын

And may i add, Hungary was in no way even responsible for the war

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

Not really. Hungarians consider EU schengen area&minority rights / national minorities autonomy to be the solution instead of revisionism. If the borders would be "restored" the situation would be reversed: there would be millions of non-hungarians living on the land of Hungary. Now millions of hungarians are living on land attached to neighbouring countries. The historic injustice was that while they were talking about borders along national minorities instead it was a shamless landgrab (grab as much as you can) without any consideration of what percentage of what ethnicity lives where. The most shamless amongst them was Romania. They only cared about getting infrastructure, minerals etc. Nobody cared about the people living on that land.. Yes hungarians are very bitter about the injustices they've suffered, but they dont think that commiting such attrocities against others would solve those issues. And nobody can make right all the horrible acts against populations: and there were horrible attrocities against a whole range of ethnicities hungarians only one amongst many others.

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

Learn some basic history. One good book with an outside perspective is: "Will to Survive: A History of Hungary"

Press Kennedy found it dangerous to have Russiian 's presence in Cuba. The EU cannot do the same. I agree with Hungary.

Who is "Or-Ben"...?

No there is you awnser

Most of leaders in Eu are also agree not to let ukraine in they are just too coward to say it out loud

@KozmaZsolti

6 ай бұрын

politikailag korrektebb számukra ha a magyarok a rosszak, igy tudnak sajnálkozi közben pont bele szarnak az ukránokba esetleg még ki is basznak velük a hitegetéssel meg jobban bele csalogatják öket a háburuba...

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

Wrong. They aren't Putinist. And ofc Ukraine won't get free pass or anything. This eas just about roadmap and help that Putinist Hungary wants to stop

The Hungary must be punished for destroying the EU. If you hate the EU, you must go out and close the door from outside instead of asking for 30bln funds.

@theuralictribes5689

6 ай бұрын

The EU destroyed itself with the sanctions it placed on Russia which didn't work at all.

@sliftylovesyou

6 ай бұрын

The EU wants to destroy the sovereignty of every member state, it makes total sense to be against the formation of an European superstate where the interests of your people are not put first.

@MrFalut

6 ай бұрын

if small Hungary can "destroy" the EU, then it says a lot about EU's structural weakness.

@AncziPanczi

6 ай бұрын

I think by blocking Ukraine to join the EU is actually saving the EU. If Ukraine ever becomes an EU member that is the end of the EU as it is. Who ruins and weakens Europe are those tardy and naive polititians that supported USA’s agressive attitude towards Russia for the last decade. I cannot believe how blind most in Europe are. How subordinate we became to USA. Wake up Europe, you need to cooperate and not build walls based on some fals moral. (Where is the moral in the US foreign policy?)

@csat1078

6 ай бұрын

LOL. Hungary destroying the EU? Get your head out of your hole.

Yep, a Trojan horse in denial..

They blocked The cheap ukrainien grain because it s gene modified and it is not allowed in Hungary

@stadika4323

5 ай бұрын

Sry for my english

Not Eastern European myself but I think it's worth saying that it wasn't just the price of the grain that made those countries ban it. Apparently much of it was also terrible quality or even spoilt, filling the countries with grain that was not only undercutting local farmers but also not reaching health requirements. Obviously Germany was angry and didn't care, they weren't negatively effected by it at all and obviously France wants to reform the voting so that the 3 big powers in Europe can just bully the rest of the continent into client states even more than they already can.

@ivanbrezina7632

6 ай бұрын

There were complaints about "quality". If fact UA farmers still use a pesticide, which was banned in EU in 2021. So 3 years ago are we were eating the same grain. The price was the main problem, although different arguments were articulated.

@tommcg927

6 ай бұрын

I hear that line a lot, that if you were to reform the voting system in the EU, it would just be Germany, France and Italy making all the decisions but this simply isn't the case because the veto would be replaced with QMV which requires 55% of member states to agree to pass legislation meaning you would still need a comfortable majority of member states to pass legislation. Even if you just look at resolutions that just require a majority in the parliament it still doesn't work because the amount of seats Germany, France and Italy combined is 151 where a majority would require 353 so it wouldn't be nearly enough for a majority and even if it was enough it still wouldn't make sense because MEPs usually vote with parties with similar ideologies as them, usually with the grouping they're with like parties in Reform EU vote together rather than voting with parties from the same country. I think a lot of people think that the EU would be a France-Germany hegemony without the veto is because they do not understand how the EU works.

@Dendarang

6 ай бұрын

The EU either has to be functional or there's no point in it even existing and individual European countries can just be left to the wolves. Ironically, in such a scenario, it would be precisely Germany and France that would fare the best as the largest and richest countries while it would poorer and smaller countries that would fare the worst in such a world. So if EU is to exist and protect European countries and advance European interest it has to, HAS TO, be functional, and it isn't and will never be functional if every single country can veto everything constructive to oblivion. Orban & co are taking advantage of the good will of the EU, short term toxic nationalism and their leader's personal interests that may not be personal interests of the countries to ruin Europe.

@josipag2185

6 ай бұрын

No, actuall Hugary is the one that is bullying.

Hopefully Hungary will do. It is completely insane to fund a country in war or joining EU while there is a war ongoing. EU has to say to Zelensky: Stop the war, negotiate and then we will help you and send money we can control how they are spent and not stolen by the corrupted politcs of Ukraine!

With allies like Hungary, who needs enemies?

@stevewilson4718

5 ай бұрын

Hungary is not Ukraine's ally

@Szaboo92

5 ай бұрын

Yea sweden must hate us too for raising our voices against mass migration.

Take away your emotions, ignore the anti-Russia sentiments, etc.... just empirically looking at Ukraine... they aren't even remotely close to even being a candidate to join the EU. Russia by all economic and developmental metric probably has a better chance of joining the European Union.

Brexit means Brexit. I don’t understand why the British are constantly running their gums about stuff that is none of your business