Has anyone ever factored into the equation the difficulties for aliens in getting funding to look for us?

@thehoogard

4 жыл бұрын

actually it would go under the fraction of alien civilizations that send signals into space.

@droptuned83

4 жыл бұрын

Or the motivation.

@anonb4632

4 жыл бұрын

@maximumchron They're probably not capitalist either. It is unlikely their economics work the same way as our do. Ours are substantially different from a century ago, let alone a millennium. They may not even have a concept of money.

@Danny19KILO

4 жыл бұрын

@@anonb4632 Maybe they are at the point where they branch out on their own. Kinda like "Amazon" building a spaceship of its own and not leaving our solar system. At this point, traditions resources sounds more realistic than buying and selling with money.

@bitcoin.crypto

4 жыл бұрын

For those that have achieved space travel, having a far advanced telescope millions of times stronger than our Hubble telescope is likely. They probably mapped out plausible planets and set off to visit them like we travel on an airplane for a few hours

My favourite part of his lecture is around minute 32, when he talks about just how far (or how NOT far!) our radio signals have penetrated our galaxy. It's barely -anything-! I was glued to this lecture for the entire 51 minutes. Thank you, Keith!

@Just.A.T-Rex

Жыл бұрын

About 125 lightyears?

It is a real gift to make a complex subject so easy to understand - loved it, thank you!

Thanks, I was riveted to the screen for fifty minutes, I'd forgotten how much I used to love the Christmas Lectures. Worthy of my subscription. A Carl Sagan quote that has always stuck with me "humans may be the best beef animals in the universe" from his Cosmos series.

@fuzzylogic33

Жыл бұрын

Humans taste of pork

A speaker who can expound at length, without notes; just a few slides to set the course for himself, and the audience. That alone makes this presentation a pleasure. But the content of Keith Cooper's talk is well worth our attention.

I love Arthur C. Clarke's take on this subject: Either we are the only intelligent life form in the universe or we're not. Either thought is terrifying.

@alkh3myst

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, many people are terrified at the mere thought of alien civilizations. This is why the world's various governments have been lying to us about UFOS/"UAPS" like...forever.

@geoden

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't terrify me, why should it? we're never going to encounter aliens.

@geoden

2 жыл бұрын

@@alkh3myst Yes, its part of the age old story, ignorance fosters fear. Conversely, learning and knowledge gives confidence and kills unwarranted fear. There is no evidence of aliens, none. Any person with a small amount of scientific factual knowledge can understand why. 1. The Universe is vast beyond the comprehension of most humans, these are the scared ones. 2. If aliens exist, they are too far away to concern us in any way. 3. Our nearest other star system with a planet is 24.5 trillion miles away, it would take us about 80 thousand years to go there. (let that sink in) 4. Physical law is universal. Aliens are as constrained by these laws as we are. 5. We have a limited life span of around 100 years. Why would anyone of us care about or fear aliens who would much take longer than a human lifetime to to reach us? 6. Forget about all the 'pie in the sky' propulsion systems you may have heard of. They won't happen. We can't travel through space faster than the speed of light. End of facts.

@Matt198d

2 жыл бұрын

Either thought is only terrifying if you look through the lens of fear. Afraid to be alone or afraid of what aliens might do.

@scooterbob4432

2 жыл бұрын

@@geoden Just in case you see one, just ignore it. They avoid associating with us humans anyway.

The problem of finding extraterrestrial civilizations is something like this: Let's say there was a single human village in Europe and another in Australia, but none other anywhere else. They both have a small fleet of ships and can travel a few days away before they must return to port and resupply. How long would both villages go believing they were alone in the world? Maybe first contact would come when their respective civilizations and technologies had spread so far that it was inevitable there be an encounter. Maybe that's how it will ultimately happen in space as well.

@danielcrooks2408

Жыл бұрын

thats way too small of an example...as inevitably they WILL meet each other if they continued to develop in a similar time frame on the same planet. If for a brief instance another life form somewhere in a "close" solar system happened to develop at exactly the same time we did AND they managed to broadcast a signal which we could recognise, say they were in an area of space that was close by the time of which it would take to reach earth the civilization that sent it could be thousands upon thousands of years gone by. Think of what we have achieved in the last 200 years......now 5000....say 50000 ? What sort of advances would a civilization have IF they lived another 50000 years? IF we are around that long (and not been wiped out by a meteor or solar flare or the planet finally giving up for what we are doing to it....) we may be so advanced that we might not even notice it Also as a race we may be so far removed from what we are now, our current ideologies and perceptions of the universe may be so different to them as to have no common ground, i.e., they would either share knowledge or wipe us out, or we do the same to them.

@danielcrooks2408

Жыл бұрын

Edit: I wrote this before listening to the whole thing.....i'm glad he went into alot of things I was thinking about.

@davidhess6593

Жыл бұрын

Yes but Europe and Australia can't see each other.

@biggusdickus5986

Жыл бұрын

Any Aliens contacting us first would have to have been far more advanced than ours, to develop necessary spacecraft and spend time getting here. We will never se any.

@davidhess6593

Жыл бұрын

@@biggusdickus5986 Never is a long time. A lot can happen in never.

He's a great orator, his brilliants and his enthusiasm shine through.

I like the fishing analogy about trying to catch fish by scooping a small bucket into giant ocean. It's interesting because it doesn't only point to problem of volume studied vs entire volume but also issue of technique - any fisherman will be able to tell you that you could be surrounded by fish and still not catch one with a bucket. There are very specific tools say a rod and reel and boat even with those it still takes practice, expertise, putting your time in, knowing the right spots, etc to get a good one

@Lyons_T-BAG

2 жыл бұрын

He got that Analogy from Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I have no idea where Neil got it from! But it's definitely a fantastic way to sum it up.

@dharmaqueen7877

2 жыл бұрын

We know there are fish in the sea to be caught, because our experience and observation tells us there are. We cannot say the same for off planet life.

@socksumi

Жыл бұрын

And time. What if those fish were spawning in that ocean thousands of years before we decided to go fish there... or thousands of years after. Separation, not only by the vastness of space but by eons and eons of time greatly reduces the likelihood of a potential meeting between species of different worlds.

@PetraKann

Жыл бұрын

Or a giant net

@Force1Com

Жыл бұрын

Or a big electrical bomb to incapacitate them

I loved this lecture! It randomly appeared in my feed. Thanks, R.I. This was a subject I never took seriously before. Very interesting.

@rolandthethompsongunner64

2 жыл бұрын

I’m still trying to take it seriously. And if we think shining lasers into space to see who or what might say hello could be the last thing we do.

@flojos

2 жыл бұрын

Randomly :)

@adrianvidgen4261

Жыл бұрын

Can't take it seriously at all.

In the late 60's, I witnessed a classic ''Flying saucer" fly low and slow directly over my house less than 100' directly above me.....never made a whisper...and was as big as my house. Although it was about 10 pm and dark, my unshielded front porch light lit it up quite well. On its bottom was a tight triangle of brilliant red lights. It wasn't until the next day, as I was telling coworkers about it, I suddenly realized that although that craft was very low, it never made a whisper. Now, here it is over 50 years later and cannot seem to shake that image from my mind. I had been working in my unheated shop and was intent on getting a hot cup of coffee, but how I wish I had given it the attention it warranted. Instead of spending time concerning ourselves about finding aliens, we should be concerned about the fact they have long ago already found us. BHE

@738hickory

Жыл бұрын

Amazing story! I believe you! So many people even in our lifetime have experienced similar events, yet we have no concrete proof of their existence. I'm hoping that we can get that proof soon.

I am amazed at how so many lecturers know their topic so well they can just speak with no notes.

I saw Carl Sagan at the R.I. The thing I remembered most was his comparison of how expensive an aircraft carrier was compared to how much we spend on this kind of research.

Thank you to our host presenter. Nicely done. Really learned a lot. Here’s hoping.

@AHPSC

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, a very good looking guy.

@petergianakopoulos4926

2 жыл бұрын

@@AHPSC meh

He summarised everything we known so far and what we do about aliens, excellently put together, brilliant lecture! He should have his own youtube channel or podcasts of some sort

@DanFrederiksen

2 жыл бұрын

No he was completely wrong. Anyone even remotely aware knows that UFOs are real. Obama and Nasa administrator both effectively admitted that ET ships frequent our skies in late 2021. A bare minimum of thinking is allowed. You can start with the 2004 USS nimitz case. Its a solid starting point by which you can be certain.

@DarthVader20201

2 жыл бұрын

Aliens won’t survive in our atmosphere, hypothetically speaking….

@DanFrederiksen

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarthVader20201 Why not? all that I'm aware of are oxygen breathing. The grey race in the travis walton case has a dense moist low oxygen atmosphere where travis walton had trouble catching his breath, I'm guessing around 3% oxygen content and maybe double pressure so a relative oxygen pressure around 6-7% but he could function in it. In our atmosphere they might feel the oxygen is very rich, not sure if that would cause problems for them but I'm guessing not at least short term. We can breathe pure oxygen.

@MrSCOTTtheSCOT

Жыл бұрын

@@DarthVader20201 We don't survive too long under water or in space, but we have constructed suits to assist our existence in such environments, same for going onto mars we will need suits, Id guess any alien civilisation that has constructed vessels for space travel, have also achieved creating environmental constructs to assist in living in environments different to that they evolved in naturally. Talking about suits, Darth you should be well aware of self contained suits to assist living.

@johnrose950

Жыл бұрын

@@DanFrederiksen some great points very well put Dan

I enjoyed this very thorough lecture of the search for other life in the galaxy.

A person can get lost on here on Earth and in spite of wanting and trying to be found, combined with rescue squads in full force out looking for them, yet we often still can't find them. Even full sized planes with tracking devices have accomplished this. Now expand that to the universe and think about it again. We just don't understand the scale.

@AVerySillySausage

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we also need to realise that the classic sci-fi of galaxies teaming with intelligent life is just fantasy, life is definitely not that common, let alone intelligient life, if it was it would be impossible for us to not be aware of it already.

Food for thought. Great presentation, loved the seminar

Love this fellow! Excellent lecture ❤

simplest reason -- the window for detection is miniscule. We make "noise" but it would barely be discernible past our own solar system. 200 years later, we will have the technology to not make any more noise as we switch to greener methods. A 200 year window, in which a alien would have to be looking directly at earth and intentionally searching for specific data (which we don't even know what we are looking for yet) is rather a long-shot by anyone's standard.

That was a wonderful talk and the speaker's passion for SETI was quite evident! Thanks Ri for uploading it. This is why you're my all-time favorite channel on KZread!

@TheRoyalInstitution

4 жыл бұрын

Wow! Thanks so much for the kind words, we're glad you're enjoying it!

@thomashess6211

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRoyalInstitution Yeah, thanks for the disinformation. Our govt works with aliens. Our skies are filthy with UFOs. Shills like you are trying to somehow convince those who have never seen them that they dont exist. You are a dying breed.

@geoden

2 жыл бұрын

SETI was worth trying, but the poor results so far probably means it might be under threat of termination. If aliens exist, they are too far away and may not wish to communicate anyway. Even if close, say 50 light years. What would be the point of a two way 100 year contact lasting more than a human lifetime?

@yonkel0

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomashess6211 take your meds

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

@@geoden One-way communication is reading books from long-dead people. A positive signal could be transformative and help us survive. Knowledge of their history, geology and biology (evolution) would double our knowledge of those fields. Receiving an Encyclopedia Galactica would advance us a thousand years.

I've had my computer on the Seti @ home project for about 20 years. Happy to be part of it!

@humphrex

3 жыл бұрын

funnily enough, the energy consumption of this program actually prevents us from ever reaching advanced civilization.

@SuperYtc1

2 жыл бұрын

Found anything?

@blackeagle2458

2 жыл бұрын

...and nobody has phoned home yet?

Nicely presented. 3 possible areas of response to the title query: they don’t exist; they don’t want to be contacted; we don’t have the capability. Either of the first two options obviates the third. The Drake equation applies but does not prevail

@mottthehoople693

2 жыл бұрын

or aliens are not as advanced as us so lack the means to even perceive us much less respond to us. Unless aliens are going to be travelling inter dimensionally or via a wormhole the distances are just insurmountable

The 2022 Nobel prize was won by three physicists proving that quantum effects are instant. So perhaps it’s possible to send quantum messages quicker than instantly meaning that using quantum entanglement it may be possible to send messages instantly, this would have the advantage/disadvantage of the transmitter not only knowing the answer before he transmitted the question but the receiver knowing the question before he’s received the question.

Interesting, entertaining and easy to understand lecture!

I felt his nervousness but I hope he reads these comments that let him know he did a great job. Next time get some friends to come along and laugh at your great jokes!

I like the idea that if they're advanced enough they know there's something out there to be afraid of so they're very quiet.

Thank you. Very compelling presentation. Learned a few more things. Best regards!

This is my favorite channel these days... It said 'the great filter!' I never clicked faster. Good job, again, R.I!

Brilliant lecture! What a lovely man! Audience somewhat devoid of humour though😀

@EleanorPeterson

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Kevin! I was listening on headphones, and there's quite a bit of response in the audience, but there are three things to consider: The first is that Keith is wearing a voice microphone specifically designed not to pick up extraneous noises. It's a lecture, so there's no ambient chuckling being recorded for an audio engineer to mix into the main feed. And besides, adding 'canned laughter' from a so-called live studio audience is a crime punishable by death and a fine of £2.35. The second point is that this is happening at a famous venue. People in such a 'hallowed' hall will be nervous; parents will have told their children not to fidget and to be on their best behaviour.🤐 It's not a stand-up comedy club or a political rally; only barbarians would stamp and whoop in a library or cathedral. 🤫 The third and perhaps most important thing to consider is that this is in England. Unless it's attending a winter pantomime (which is very loud, rude, crude, chaotic, with lots of shrieking kids and audience participation), a typical British theatre audience sits and listens in silence. Good manners, what? 🧐 Interrupting a lecture, music recital or intense theatrical production with noticeable outbursts of laughter or applause is extremely bad form. It breaks the spell. One nods and smiles, or purses one's lips and frowns whilst appreciating the performance.🤔 In a situation like this, a lecture, one listens and does not join in. The applause (if any!) comes at the end. An American audience (for instance) might see this as being terribly cold and discouraging, but that's why we made sure that there's a lovely great big ocean separating our two nations... 😁

@jeyDsixx18

2 жыл бұрын

I think they shoot u for any outbursts…

@markstevenson1646

2 жыл бұрын

I was at this lecture and we were all pissing ourselves, oh god how we laughed.... I hope this makes you feel better

@lukefish7562

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeyDsixx18 sadly the truth

@beingjohn392

2 жыл бұрын

@Elli P Your comments were great, no… ‘spot on!’ Right up and until the America bashing. I have some sad news for you cheeky girl. It wasn’t England that put the pond between the two countries, but then I’m a polite monkey.

The Fermi paradox, is the best argument for our reality to be a simulation , simply because the sheer number of galaxy and stars make it a certainty of Intelligent life in the universe .

@tonycook7679

2 жыл бұрын

but what is it a simulation of then?

@donatolepore3520

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonycook7679 what you touch smell feel and see . The point I am making is Fermi is wrong and we are not alone .

@donatolepore3520

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonycook7679 that is my point the only solution to the paradox is a simulation which is counter intuitive to what we as humans experience.

Great I love this channel and the lectures.

Fantastic and informative lecture ! Thanks

A really interesting and compelling lecture by Keith. As a child I watched Carl Sagan's Christmas lecture which Keith alludes to. He was a fantastic speaker and it made a big impression on me.

@greggstrasser5791

2 жыл бұрын

Sagan was an establishment hack. Look into the hatchet job he did on Velikovsky. Sagan wasn’t a Scientist.

This was amazing to listen to.

Sir, many thanks for your noble research 👍 🙏

This guy (K. Cooper) is brilliant. What a talk! He connected so well with the audience. What a speaker!

@ToniLixSim

2 жыл бұрын

he is not smart, u are idiot who believe on fake things, so sad for u and many people like u :(

@laniakea1541

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToniLixSim I never said he was right or that I believe what he says. Just saying how well he connected with the audience, but well, you REALLY wanted to call me idiot, that says a lot about you buddy

@ToniLixSim

2 жыл бұрын

@@laniakea1541 u say this guy is brilliant. brilliant liar or? if u understand he was lying that mean u learn and change ur mind, same as people who listen to politic and tv media and read news paper are idiots too,, until they learn they are losing time with fake things

@ToniLixSim

2 жыл бұрын

@@laniakea1541 i play games after i have explored and learn too too many things, i did not sleep more than 3 hour for a many years, all that was because i like to learn things, i know not sleep is bad but dont want to stop learning, that was not stay away to play games as u wrote and deleted. and i do not live on my family house it is my house, im sorry for that u did not like it my comment but i like to say the truth without care how u will take it, better talk bad to me and u learn something than if i talk nice to u and u still not understand the truth.

@jamesleem.d.7442

2 жыл бұрын

I hope he is not related to D.B. Cooper ??

This is a great post for several reasons -- not the least of is that I share Keith's name!

Loving these talks!

28:17 I saw the printout of the wow signal when I was in highschool and always wondered what it meant. After all those years I finally learned what it means. the number/letter code is intensity (x above background) vs time.

Ignoring the UFO presence is the most unscientific thing I can think of. I’ll be glad when science grows up.

@nmarbletoe8210

2 жыл бұрын

welcome to 2021!

@dannygjk

Ай бұрын

So based on unproven identity of observations you came to conclusions?

@papabilby8855

Ай бұрын

@@dannygjk Yes I have come to conclusions. Now I wish science would stop ignoring the topic and come to their own.

Asking this question is like dropping your car keys out of a plane at 30,000ft, then asking why you can’t find them, by staring out the window.

@robinsonnait4252

4 жыл бұрын

false parabale. do you thing key is superintellegent entity? don't look for it if they don't want to be found. case close.

@DamianReloaded

4 жыл бұрын

The actual shock is seeing the galaxy not being overpopulated by super advanced civilizations. it's akin to having dropped keys out of a plane at 30,000ft every second during the life span of the universe and asking why you can't see them by staring out the window.

@frankensteinzombie9828

4 жыл бұрын

Your absolutely correct @exile well put

@CaseyFinSF

4 жыл бұрын

But this question has already been answered... They're already here, and the United States military acknowledged this fact with their disclosure of a UFO encounter with pilots from the Nimitz aircraft carrier in 2004. The government finally acknowledges they are real, and they have a technology that is way ahead of what we currently have in today's military inventory. This is now a fact that has been verified by our own military command for the first time in the 70 years we've been.seening them in our skies. UFOs are REAL. They represent a technology that no nation on earth currently has in any of their flying invemtory, including ours. This leads all storý And since the above is true ,, the only logical conclusion must be that the occupants of these machines are from outside our planet. And therefore they would be considered "extraterrestrials ".

@jennah7724

4 жыл бұрын

Exile 1 agreed well put

This makes me think about that episode of "Bob's Burgers." I wonder sometimes if we should be sending out signals at all...or if it's best to just "hide" best we can out here. Curiosity is an enigmatic thing.

Just knowing that there is other life in the galaxy would be wonderful. I can't imagine that we are alone. I hope they find us before we are extinct.

@TheMercury79

Жыл бұрын

There is a book called "Rare Earth" by Ward & Brownlee. Read it and consider again if we could be alone. Or just look up the rare earth hypothesis online

Best SETI lecture I’ve heard-excellent

@fredb2022

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Wow beautiful speech. Felt like a breath of fresh air to here somoene explain seti and the obstacles it faces.

Finally found a video on this subject that mostly agrees with me. The Drake Equation is a thought-experiment. We have insufficient data for many terms. We need the telescopes to give us a survey of Earth-sized exoplanets out to 500 or 1000-light year radius. Once we get a number of oxygen-atmosphere planets then we can multiply by 100 or 50 respectively for distance, or by fraction of stars to get a number for the galaxy. Meanwhile if we can seriously listen/look for radio or laser emissions from more stars we might find evidence of alien civilization, which could help us unify and survive, even if they don't give us their history or tech.

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

@SittingMoose Shaman I don't think sulfur-breathers will come evolve to live on land and build radio telescopes, especially without an ozone layer.

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

@SittingMoose Shaman You need to say what you mean then with regard to my OP which said: We can use astronomy to look for f-sub-l, the fraction that have life (as evidenced by oxygen atmospheres), and N directly, by finding just 1 radio/laser message we'd go from N≥1 to N≥2.

More like this, please!!!!!

The vastness of the universe is unimaginable.If we would all consider that even with our telescopes in space we are only viewing such a small part of the universe at a time if you were to think of the ocean as the universe.Our observations would place us in the basement of the beach house

@paulnamalomba194

2 жыл бұрын

P to the

@dhl0706

2 жыл бұрын

If that beach house were a miniature and earth the size of pluto covered in oceans and then you're only talking about the observable universe.

@donjuan2621

2 жыл бұрын

@@dhl0706 amen brother

@thomasbisset4544

2 жыл бұрын

i just imagined the universe. twice.

@greggstrasser5791

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasbisset4544 I can’t imagine you are willing to do that.

Very good ,well thought out , i enjoyed this lecture

Its gonna be an exciting day the first contact or proof of alien life in other places in the universe. Its just fascinating stuff. Hope to be alive to see that day.

The Fermi Paradox is not all that paradoxical when you consider the vastness of space and time that makes other lifeforms inevitable also provides plenty of room for our paths to never cross.

@trudytrew6337

11 ай бұрын

The only paradox is that it is taking so long for the scientific orthodoxy to show an interest in ufos.

@DwayneShaw1

11 ай бұрын

@@trudytrew6337 I doubt you could demonstrate there has been no scientific interest in UFOs. The fact that scientists do not engage in unproven speculation about aliens, and don't consider anecdotal evidence as proof that these supposed aliens are violating the cosmic speed limit is called doing their job. There is no more reason for scientists to take a position on anomalies in the sky being aliens than for them to announce claims of Jesus toast proves anything about religion. I have no doubt scientists have looked at the information, and found it interesting, but lacking in any facts that would meet the standards of the Scientific Method.

loved the lecture, very informative and really fun

Good fluidity and knowledge.

There are a lot of factors why we cannot contact aliens. Number 1: there might be none. Number 2: They are simply too far away. Number 3: Their communication is simply way too different than ours. Number 4: We are ants to them. We might not see them even if they stand in front of us. Number 5: We are giants to them. They might be just too small to for us to see. Number 6. Alien form could be anywhere from liquid to energy or something else all together. Number 7: I think you see where i'm going with this.

@billybutlin7857

Жыл бұрын

Good reply!

@kennethluedtkejr1903

7 ай бұрын

Ha ha your numbers 1 to 6 are a perfect flow chart of real reason's. Two through six are good debate topics. But as of 2023 the only true reply is your Number 1. We are it.

@richardcaves3601

6 ай бұрын

No 1 - unlikely cos the math is against that. No 2 - very probably and if we do hear from them, they've long gone; same as if they hear from us. Most 3 - 6: no, maths and physics are the same throughout the universe.

@digitalfootballer9032

5 ай бұрын

​@@billybutlin7857Number 8 : In roughly 13 billion years, the chances of us and another hypothetical civilization near enough to detect existing as a technological civilization at the same time is almost nil.

Best lecture on the subject. Amazing.

It's a bit like saying, why didn't scientists in the 1700s see dust-mites? It's all about equipment. I mean up until a few years ago, we didn't even know if exo planets existed As telescopes improve, we're probably going to find alien life. Whether they tell us, is a different matter.

@MicahPotts

4 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@Galiuros

4 жыл бұрын

Evolving technology and intellect are what cause the advancement of our understanding of the physical world.

@carlhuck7721

4 жыл бұрын

it's all about equipment. THAT'S WHAT YOUR WIFE SAID

@oldeharbinger

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed but, there's also the matter of expectation. Science seems to expect that everyone "speaks" our language. Not only the wrong equipment, wrong language. Presumptuous.

@laurasfar18

4 жыл бұрын

A secret like that will come out quick. Informations that proves extraterrestrials is out there, is worth millions.

I know why. Imagine 2 ants, one that represent us and is on the beach in Florida and 1 that represent an alien civilization that is on the beach in Australia. What are the chances that they find each other? Well, with the size of the universe which is infinite, the odds of meeting aliens are worst then my ants example.

@TheBushdoctor68

2 жыл бұрын

That's a bit crooked comparison. Ants do not have any means of long distance communication, so there's nothing to detect. But I agree with your argument. The distances in the universe combined with relative short use of radio waves by a civilization makes it almost impossible to detect others.

@pierrepellerin249

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBushdoctor68 It was an image to show how improbable it is to meet anyone else in this crazy vast ever expanding universe.

@Curt_Randall

2 жыл бұрын

but with your analogy there are only 2 ants. In our vast infinite universe, I would like to believe there are more than 2 civilizations.

@pierrepellerin249

2 жыл бұрын

@@Curt_Randall Ok, lets put an ant on the moon, 2 on Mars, 1 on venus, a couple on some of Jupiter's moon and Saturn's moon. There, up to say 10 on a section representing say 0,000000000001% of the current universe, are their chances of meeting any better? of course not. Copy this tiny part of the universe a billion times or 0,1% of the universe, you now have 10 billion plus civilizations with the same odds of finding each other as our original 2 ants. Are the chances of them meeting any better? Well the answer is no and you now have 10 billion civs... Now there is always the possibility that 2 civ spawn so close to each other that they meet but it is still improbable.

@brontehauptmann4217

2 жыл бұрын

yes but there is only one ant

The Contact Paradox is a great book. Well worth a read.

My favorite quote of all time, which will appear in my first book next year is a full sentence from the opening quote in a large “coffee table” style book on map-making by the “National Geographic Society”: MARS WAS THE FIRST PLANET TO BE MAPPED. We’ve got some catching up to do, mates!

@michaelhunziker7287

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds about right in Biden's America today

@quixote5844

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelhunziker7287 go away troll.

Rough crowd at the royal institution. Nobody even chuckled at his jokes and kick lines. Lol.

@KillingDeadThings

4 жыл бұрын

Was thinking they were a bit of a tough crowd myself. Kinda felt sorry for him.

@jasmineluxemburg6200

4 жыл бұрын

They smiled, I think. They were those kind of jokes. He is nervous and us star gazers are kind hearted folk !

@GhostofCicero

4 жыл бұрын

Had he been famous they would have laughed at the lamest jokes; I watch a lot of these. Someone could probably write a paper on why people do that.

@SocksWithSandals

4 жыл бұрын

Enough real science, we want to get back to our gender studies class.

@chrisdell3472

4 жыл бұрын

K Sonny lol fr

to summarize this fascinating talk.. there probably are few needles looking for each other in a giant endless and expanding haystack..

Yup, that pretty much covers it. You have to respect this man, his lecture still holds up 2 years later.

Amazing lecture, thank you.

One of my favorite presentations on the idea of other life in the universe and why we haven't made contact was Peter Mulvey's story about "Vlad the Astrophysicist."

Too nervous too relax and enjoy listening to in this, calm down son, thanks

That laser signal we send out will take 20,000 years to reach the centre of our galaxy. Any reply will take another 20,000 years to get back to us. If the human race still exists by that time, not all that likely if you look at current developments, one has to doubt that someone will know about something we did 40,000 years in the past.

I don’t understand why some people assume intelligent life would evolve at a similar rate as us. Who knows? We could be the slowest ones to evolve in the universe.

@nickelpasta

3 жыл бұрын

Or we could be the fastest to evolve, no one knows.

@shookreeseeree4

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe alien life has a short life span..maybe alien life is not organic like us..maybe they are so far far away..our signals hv yet to reach them..maybe they are not intelligent enough to pick our signals..maybe aliens were present before humans existed..so many possibles..

@paulburns1333

2 жыл бұрын

Or the quickest.

@raidermaxx2324

2 жыл бұрын

more like we are the first to evolve intelligence. The universe is super young. The era of "life" is not for a few billion years yet.

@nmarbletoe8210

2 жыл бұрын

it's a great question. humans took 4b years to evolve... or at a more fine grained scale, it took us 1m years to go from chimp to champ. parts of our evolution were very rapid... but why were we (apparently) the only ones in 4b years to evolve metal tools!?

Great presentation! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Greetings from Earth!

That was really good. I enjoyed that

That was great! I find myself watching too many of these UFO conspiracy programmes so it was nice to get a more level headed perspective about the possibility of alien life.

Well-done.. Initially it felt like the promise of NEW and engaging insights, but perhaps those are being saved for part 2 ? Good for an INITIAL introduction to a synopsis of the subject though..

@ShortFuseNL

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! I totally agree. Too bad i guess.

@billnorris1264

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShortFuseNL Right friend..Relevant probative opportunities were ignored ..One missed educational moment among MANY : His estimate was 100 technological species in our galaxy.. Thats a rational guess using the Drake equation, and it makes interesting and enlightening predictions.. The Milky Way galaxy is about 140,000 light years across, and 1000 Light years thick..Plugging in 100 technological species and using SIMPLE math, predicts a random civilization distribution to be about ONE per EIGHTY BILLION CUBIC light-years of space, almost perfectly absent ! If we were in the middle of a sphere that measured an unimaginable 3,000 light years in diameter, and containing tens of millions of stars , we would likely be the ONLY intelligent species inside. Nuances like these could have helped to explain the IMMENSITY of the problem in finding them... A humble opinion..

@billnorris1264

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShortFuseNL and I don't mean Mr. Cooper any disrespect, he's obviously a highly intelligent individual.. I think his presentation was fine, like high schoolers might hear in an assembly , but it could have EASILY been made more information dense and interesting in the same amount of time.

@granthubick8684

4 жыл бұрын

The universe is multitudes larger than 140,000 lightyears across.

@billnorris1264

4 жыл бұрын

@@granthubick8684 good catch friend. I meant the Milky Way galaxy and edited the comment appropriately.. thank you.

Tough crowd!! Nice talk, I enjoyed it. The guy was clearly nervous but he did really well. 👍

Fantastic clear and humble - well doe

Awesome lecture. Thanks Ri.

The concept of a Dyson sphere was dreamt up by science fiction writers. Originally the late great scientist was talking about a different kind of astronomical phenomenon. He states this in an interview which is available on KZread :)

@baileealligood7862

2 жыл бұрын

Hardly, They are called ball Castor Canister Vacuums. The ball was first used in joints and then as rollers and wheels. Dyson's sphere is an old engineering design for earlier adaptions of the ball in a joint or as a roller. The Dyson sphere is just another adaption of an earlier invention. The ball castor gives the vacuum a smooth even movement.

@Piddlefoots

2 жыл бұрын

It is not possible to completely enclose a star, the gravitational forces will riip it to bits, we Humans already know this the math does not lie with this, this is before we mention the amount of mass / material needed to do it, is literally more than all of the planets in our entire solar system.......Yea that sounds doable, sure........No species will ever build one, ever its just absurd to an actual real world engineer........

His conclusion = radio waves would be the best way to communicate long distance because they can travel through obstacles. Aliens = radio waves travel through obstacles, anyone can find us, let's not do that.

34:16 in, love this observation! Our FM waves are too weak to be detected by alien intelligence on alpha centuri, but yet our FM wave ms are strong enough to detect dust around a black hole 65 light years away... how consistent...

Thanks very much for sharing this. Enthralling lecture and content. I am a firm believer that we are not alone and this lecture has reinforced this view to me. However | now do not believe that we have been visited, purely down to the fact that there is 0% compelling, recorded information to reinforce it, especially in this day and age of most of the population having access to smart phones.

@adrianvidgen4261

Жыл бұрын

I don't think you have been looking hard enough and in the right direction. Remember NASA is dedicated to keeping this sort of information from us (Never A Straight Answer). Try some YT sites: Secure Team 10; MrMBB333; Wages World;

Haven’t we probably been underestimating the size our galaxy? I was under the impression that its estimated size is now more like half a trillion stars.

Amazing Lecture

We see the light but not the details once it’s so far away. Life is here, life is there. It’s impossible for us to be the only life source.

If you understand Radio waves, there is no known radio frequency that doesn't exist in the background radiation. When we use radio waves, we are boosting a signal above the background noise to a useable level. This is a very local phenomenon. Radio waves fade into the noise quite rapidly. To increase the detectable range of a signal, you either have to focus the signal or increase it's power. Focusing the signal simply means increasing it's power in a particular direction while decreasing it's power in another. What direction do you choose to point your signal? As far as increasing power goes, there is this thing next to us called the sun, it out powers anything we can generate. Radio waves in space from life forms compared to nature is like listening for a whisper in a hurricane. We do not have the ability to detect a signal we can read at the necessary distance. Unless the aliens are sending morse code with a star....

Good lecture; I thoroughly enjoyed this.

Thanks for this brilliant talk. All power to Seti and the exoplanet watchers.

@GH-oi2jf

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Sleep - They have no power. What have they produced? Nothing, really. They have proved that other stars have planets, but we knew that anyway.

@falconquest2068

4 жыл бұрын

@@GH-oi2jf That's a rather narrow minded view. If they were to announce a major find tomorrow would that change your mind?

@DarkShroom

2 жыл бұрын

@@GH-oi2jf Seti didn't prove that... SETI mainly monitors radio communications, searches for evidence of technology

I would estimate it is because of the distances involved in interstellar travel. It takes a little over 4 years for a message to go from Earth to our closest neighboring star.

I suspect life in the universe is pretty common, however life that has evolved to the point of technology and that can manipulate the electro- magnetic spectrum is extremely rare.

@roderickshaka3626

Жыл бұрын

I have the same belief

If the laws of physics apply to the entire universe and not just our Earth, then I think life on other planets could be the same as ours. If no "happy accidents" cause the lifeforms to evolve from single-cell to multi-cell organisms, extraterrestrial life may look like an early version of our planet. Maybe there are dinosaurs on other planets. If a meteor never crashed into their planet, the dinosaurs would continue living to this very day.

@Dexerion

Жыл бұрын

The star and solar system or energy system of the planet with the available elements could make a ton of different combinations to harbor different types of life.

@Force1Com

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it's already destroyed itself

@tonyshortland8812

Жыл бұрын

@@Dexerion like the ton of different life forms which have evolved on earth

@mjeffn2

Жыл бұрын

You mean like a bilaterally symmetrical bipedal ape?

@s.f.morris7331

Жыл бұрын

I think its so strange how earth is the only planet in our galaxy that has life. wonder why all the other planets are even here for. there isn't even a local star everything we see in our sky is exactly the same as what the Romans and early civilizations gazed upon and are light years away. it really seems like something or someone dilliberatley put us here and made sure we were isolated.i honestly think were not ever gonna know the truth because its obviously been blocked, erased and vague. I dont think we were even designed to comprehend our existence and origin.

Wonderful talk. Thank you for this and wished the audiences laughed at his “jokes” 😅 he did a good job 👏

@bettina4374

2 жыл бұрын

From all we know so far it’s more likely that there is other life in the universe than there isn’t. At the same time it sounds totally unlikely to me that we will ever be able to make contact due to distances and the relatively short time from when civilizations are advanced enough to detect each other until the time they vanish. Even if we could find the right planet, ‘they’ could be extinct for millions of years or life might develop in millions of years when there is probably no intelligent life on earth any longer. SETI is a good idea and a nice effort but without major funding it sounds like it’s not even a drop in the bucket. It’s probably more likely that someone will find us. Maybe they already have, and we were so boring for them (bc we are in the Stone Ages compared to their technology ) that they only put us in their catalog and moved on to find something really interesting.

@titannb9027

2 жыл бұрын

@Roger Felton we are better looking than who? 😂what are you comparing humans against?

@westnblu

2 жыл бұрын

@@ill_be_frank stars are bigger than planets and emit light. Its easier to see stars . Exo planets whilst theorized were only confirmed in the 90s.

@Music1222

2 жыл бұрын

@@bettina4374 actually, we have no idea if life is more likely than not. We do not have the data set.

@SoulDelSol

2 жыл бұрын

@Roger Felton that's a good point, they're likely beautiful animals.

We haven't even been looking for ETs long enough. It's like looking out your window, not seeing any cats, and saying there is a paradox.

Gripping, great delivery!

1:19 Ah Dude, Brah, spoilers!!! Sorry, that's silly. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us.

@patrickdegroot3692

3 жыл бұрын

Love the new colours. New things showing up. Patience. It is time.

You have all the power of the largest stars imaginable and by the time their signals reach us, they are tiny twinkles of light in the sky. If we wanted to send a signal to the nearest star and tried to receive it there with our most powerful receivers, we couldn't detect ourselves. My personal opinion is that life is probably extremely rare and intelligent life is pretty rare given that there has been exactly one intelligent species out of the hundreds of millions of species on earth. Secondly, the distances are so extraordinarily large that I just don't accept that anything out there can traverse such distances. So even if there is intelligent life out there, I doubt there is anyway to detect, communicate with, reach them, or even find out that they exist, so for our purposes, they don't

@crapOnYT

2 жыл бұрын

Whenever I read such sound attempt to pontificate about the only way I can temper my response is to stick with the shocking facts, which you "just don't accept" -- therefore, this reply is for other readers passing through. On the evening of 15 August 1977 this individual, being born and raised a Christian, stood praying to the lord, and when I said "I love you" a star shot into the cup of the Big Dipper, right in front of my eyes. It was like lightning that you could have seen from anywhere in the northern hemisphere, anywhere that could see the Big Dipper. Indeed, in Ohio, at the SETI project, the radio-telescope "Big Ear" was running and listening and recorded the narrow band frequency burst, and they dubbed it the Wow Signal. If my testament before you is true, then either God exists and has an ear for even somebody like me, a complete unknown. Or, as the SETI crowd suggests, the signal originated from the constellation Sagittarius. What I can say to that is, drawing a navigation line from Weatherford Oklahoma across the Stelvision sky chart, when set to local time 9:15 pm and date of 15 August 1977, your sight line from OK to Sagittarius cuts right through the cup of the Big Dipper. This means that SETI corroborates my testimony. So what do you suppose SETI said when I contacted them? Seth Shostak, Director, said "It was probably some kind of interference." Now assume I was destined to witness that biblical event, and nobody else. We now have the situation Christ referred to as the sign of Jonah, which is simply that a wicked generation seeks a sign from God, but all they will get is a guy like me with a story like this. You always have to choose to believe it or not. None but the stubbornly ignorant will claim I just happened to be lucky or unlucky, like getting struck by lightning, just happened to have been standing there holding out my arms, looking in just the right direction which was up at the North Star, Cassiopeia, and the Big Dipper above the black flat Oklahoma horizon, and uttering at just the right moment a prayer (about becoming an actor, by the way since I was studying Drama), that ended with the words "I love you" at the precise instant the "Wow" signal arrived, all these countless light years after it had been sent by whomever, so that the one signal heard around the world and celebrated by the astronomy community, would actually be seen by just one silly guy, this simple individual who happened to be watching the heavens and praying to Jesus Christ like any other Christian but by the grace of God, at just the right time frame, between 9:00 pm to 9:30 pm on that one particular day? It is absurd. The bottom line is, saying some light seen somehow is so far away and thus such a long distant trip, must be naive. The smart thing to believe, is that we are not alone but we must earn the right of passage before the Webb telescope informs us of inhabited worlds. If we don't believe a moral force is opening the door, then we will not get the door to open. I am living proof, believe me or not, that the door is a living thing. SETI calls it the Wow Signal. I call it Jesus Christ.

@Damacles9

2 жыл бұрын

A wise man acknowledges that the more you know the less you know. Every answer creates more questions. Extra dimensional travel? Cheers.

@eyebelieve3

2 жыл бұрын

​@@crapOnYT LOL

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

"If we wanted to send a signal to the nearest star and tried to receive it there with our most powerful receivers, we couldn't detect ourselves." I really doubt that. We can still pick up transmissions from Voyager. Carl Sagan said Arecibo could pick up a signal from a similar dish 15,000 light-years away. Even if that estimate gets reduced by a factor of 15, due to possible signal degradation, I can't see it being ineffective below 100 or 1000 light-years. "There has been exactly one intelligent species out of the hundreds of millions of species on earth." There are highly intelligent mammals, birds, and cephalopods. But if you mean technological civilizations, then I can name two: Denisovians and Neanderthals both used Stone Age technology. If we had died out instead of them, one or both of them may be involved in building radio telescopes now or in the future. "I doubt there is anyway to detect... them." This video talks about SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) by looking with radio telescopes for radio signals and LaserSETI cameras for laser signals sent to us.

@michaelking9818

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree buddy

I wish I could live in this lecture hall in person!

Had the answer in the first two minutes, I'm impressed.

We might be the only life in the universe and could disappear in an instant. So any life that was there for a moment in time in the universe could also disappear. What we might not realise is that life is just something than happens every so often for a brief a time in the universe. The universe apparently has rules, by all the science that says, if anything was different the universe wouldn't exist, and so does life have rules, but much more delicate rules. The universe's rules dominate over the rules of life, as we absolutely know it can wipe us out in a second, and still itself continue as normal. We might be a delicate flower growing in a desert, saving ourselves should be our aim. Nature is not on our side.

@danielreece3996

4 жыл бұрын

@Edward Hinton this is only true given the supposition that the universe and it's "creator" value life above all else. Im not sure the observable data supports this assertion.

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielreece3996 nah, He values life. Just not Evil Life. All humans are *exactly the same* What we personally identify as Evil, we hate. Some Life is Evil...please...dont ever make someone have to remind you of this again. *Life Contains Both Good And Evil*

@peterhansen5096

4 жыл бұрын

We are not alone

@danielreece3996

4 жыл бұрын

@@cwc6632 I agree the data set is in all likelihood such a tiny fraction it is almost nothing, but isn't that the whole aim of the scientific method to be constantly redefining your conclusion based on new incoming data, not starting with a conclusion and trying to work backwards to make your data support it?

@danielreece3996

4 жыл бұрын

@@Macheako the only thing you have "reminded me of" is that to clinging to antiquated fables from the bronze age and attribute supernatural causes to events just because the science of the matter is not yet understood is the reason mankind is not further along in our understanding of the universe.

I like Carl Sagan's take on this question--from Cosmos, episode 12, "Encyclopedia Galactica": "If the nearest civilization is say, er, 200 light-years away, it would take them only 200 years to get from there to here at the speed of light. Even if they were travelling a 1000 times slower than that, beings from a nearby civilization could have come here during the tenure of human beings on the Earth. So why aren't they here? There's many possible answers: - One is that maybe we're the first; some technical civilization has to be first to emerge in the history of the galaxy. - Or maybe all technical civilizations promptly destroy themselves--that seems to me very unlikely. - Or maybe there's some problem with interstellar spaceflight that we've been too dumb to figure out. - Or maybe...they are here but, er, in hiding because of some ethic of non-interference with emerging civilizations; we might imagine them curious and dispassionate, watching us to determine whether this year again we managed to avoid self-destruction... - But there's another explanation which is consistant with everything else we know, and that's that it's a big cosmos. If a great many years ago an advanced interstellar spacefaring civilization emerged 200 light-years away, why would they come here? They would have no reason to think there was something special about the Earth, there are no signs of human technology--not even our radio transmissions which, er, have had time to *go* 200 light-years. From their point of view, all nearby planetary systems might seem equally attractive for exploration."

@jeschinstad

4 жыл бұрын

I love Carl Sagan dearly, but in this case, I strongly disagree with him. Any civilization able to come here, wouldn't be too interested in us, but in life in general and there's been a strong signal of life coming from this planet for billions of years. «- Or maybe all technical civilizations promptly destroy themselves--that seems to me very unlikely.» I would argue that any cilization capable of discovering science, must've been sufficiently curious to invent religion first. Since invented religions cannot ever be true, they must cause conflict. Science * Conflict = Extinction.

@Briguy1027

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting thoughts there. Sagan was a very wise man. I suppose another possibility is that while there was a civilization that could find us only 200 light years away, their planet had some sort of problem and the civilization collapsed, sending them back to square one. I guess the dark forest theory is just wild speculation.

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't heard that segment of _Cosmos_ in awhile, but I imagined his voice while reading the OP. I like to think that if aliens can form a sustainable technological civilization, they might have the ethic that life supports life in the vast emptiness of the cosmos. Just because they see a planet with an oxygen atmosphere 200 light years away, doesn't mean they put their all into sending a colony ship there to take it away from the indigenous inhabitants.

@Briguy1027

2 жыл бұрын

@@sandal_thong8631 Interestingly, if aliens on other planets 200 light years away were aggressive "the universe is ours to take", the chances of them making it here would still be incredibly slim. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for them to get a fraction of lightspeed acceleration let alone chancing a more than 200 -- maybe even 500 year voyage through space.

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

@@Briguy1027 More likely 1000-2000 years if they travel 1/10th - 1/4th the speed of light. Someone said a civilization that was too expansionist would likely turn on themselves since it may be easier to take over a world already colonized by their people than to transform dead worlds in a new solar system.

It has to do with the size of the universe. It’s so unimaginably huge, that there could be MILLIONS of other “planet Earths” out there yet it’s unlikely we’d be able to find any of them.

Great lecture

Interesting stuff. I'm pleased he mentioned "Contact" one of my all time favourite films, as it always reminds me of how insignificant we are in the Grand Scheme (if there is one) that we are. I'm in no doubt that there is life on other planets, but there may be 100s of 1000s of planets where life hasn't evolved into a species that could ponder the existence of life on *other* planets! 😉

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

That film got the Drake Equation wrong as she said 1/million of 1/million of 1/million of stars in the galaxy resulting in

@mr4nders0n

2 жыл бұрын

@@sandal_thong8631 If that's true: fair point, however, for how many people would the significance of the difference actually mean to them to an extent that is meaningful. Those numbers are so massive that they actually lose meaning for those not having anything in their experience that would give those numbers meaning. Typically, such experience tends to come from work within the sciences.

@TheOriginalLos

Жыл бұрын

Some people, usually westerners, are trained to feel insignificant.

@GalaxDaws

Жыл бұрын

I had same experience with Arrival (2016)