Why H.264 SUCKS for VIDEO EDITING
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If you don't have smooth playback when editing your videos, it might be because you're editing in the codec h.264. This codec was never meant for editing and that's why your playback is choppy. Let me show you the correct codec to edit videos in ;)
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Absolutely beautiful video! Stunning! Love the studio and lighting. Also great info on the .264 vs ProRes. Thanks!!
My trouble is that DaVinci Resolve 19 doesn't support the H.264 High L5.2 video file. Could you help me? THANKS!
Intra-codec... well, that would explain why I'm struggling to edit some videos! Thank you for this simple explanation!
I'm still confused. I'm working with multiple formats and rez, ultimately dumbing down to to SD. Premiere is a constant wrestling match. It likes to continue to play after trying to stop and it'll sit when I hit play. Messing w/ Min/Max usually kicks into playing. Should make all comps the same codec or embrace the suck as always?
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it might help to have all clips in the same codecs. However, it sounds more like a hardware issue…
That´s why I use an external recorder (Ninja V) with my Canon R6 and R5 because the Ninja can record in ProRes 422 which is a breeze to edit on a silicon based Mac.
Great explanation Paul, I have a 4k cannon camcorder and it only records h.264 but I cold convert some of the seens that have layered effects or Green screen that can slow down and be choppy. That is the main reason why editing h.264 is choppy when editing.
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
Check if you can film in All-i. That’ll help the choppiness. If not do as you say and convert fx scenes to prores ;)
@XYZXX113
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulHeimlundwe need x266 😢 for 4k compression its compression more hevc is best for 1440p h.264 is best for 1080p
Thank for the info
h264 is not interframe with All-I though, is it? I know you mentioned it in a footnote of sorts, but that does make that statement any less incorrect I think. But, of course, h264 and h265 are delivery codecs whilst DNxHD/HR and ProRes are for further processing - much like for example CineV and V-Log respectively.
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
You’re correct regarding All-i, it is intraframe, but as you say, made for delivery not editing.
Thanks for your previous reply but I have pretty a major question that no one discusses on KZread. The question is what is the highest quality required for KZread that makes sense? One can have a lot of hassle recording 600mbps RAW formats, 10-12 bits, terabites of data but eventually all these videos will pass through severe KZread compressions which annihilates all tries and value of lossless and other high-quality formats. You may say - watch it in original quality but this contradicts with the main goal - mass accessibility. Delivering your videos is the main goal of what everyone does. How to find that reasonable quality? How does it look like? Otherwise, it may appear that Sony A7SIII and Panasonic G80 bring the same final result seen on KZread. I hope you get my idea and if you'll make a deeper video on that it may become viral.
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
Even though KZread compress the footage, a video shot on a better camera with higher bitrates will always look better on KZread. I guess it’s up to you to decide what’s worth it. I’m happy with filming in ProRes at 512mbps 10bits. Easy to edit and color grade. Not filming in Log and raw, as it’s heavier to work with.
thanks so much!
I got windows computer not sure if matters I’m gonna be filming with iPhone using Blackmagic would you recommend h.265 or proress??
@PaulHeimlund
2 ай бұрын
Prores if you have space on your phone ;) You can always try the h.265 and see how it goes…
For my gopro video files avc and hevc i use adobe media encoder to transcode files to apple pro res 422 422 HQ or to the gopro cine form yuv 10 bit its work perect with color correction and more thing ...
Hi Paul! I have an iPhone 14 Pro 128GB which can record 4k at 60 fps with H.264 and 1080p at 30 fps with ProRes. Which is the highest resolution setting?
@PaulHeimlund
7 ай бұрын
Hey Paul ;) Well, even though the resolution is higher in 4k h264, there’s more information in each frame when filming in ProRes, even if it’s only HD. Furthermore, as I mention in this video editing h264 is not good…
Thank you bro ✊🏼✊🏼
If the camera supports it, the native All-I codecs work too. ProRes 422 (HQ) takes up quite a bit more space. Transcoding h.264 to ProRes 422 (HQ) for example is a waste of space as the original footage might not be good enough quality to begin with if shot in 8/10bit 4:2:0. Transcoding to ProRes Proxy is more than enough. Premiere Pro users should note there are different proxy formats and transcoding to h.264 proxies wouldn't make much of a difference.
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, as I mention in the video an All-I codec is a good alternative. Depending on the camera (my GH6 shoots ALL-I in about 450Mbps, and ProRes at 520Mbps) I'd always go for ProRes, and as you say ProRes HQ is usually overkill for most of us. "Normal" ProRes 422 or even LT and 422 Proxy codecs are sufficient. Thanks for sharing! ;)
@rockrecordreport7136
7 ай бұрын
I have to disagree on one thing, it it is not mentioned, transcoding is also beneficial to preserving top quality when a lot of post work is being performed. It's not all about smooth playback in most of my cases.
If your timeline is stuttering, try in the Davinci menu: Playback -> Render cache -> Smart. Still troubles? If you have too much sfx on a shot, your videocard has work to hard. Try in the edit tab -> right click on the file with the effect. Render in place. Choose DNxHR instead of DNxHD, DNxHD is for HD footage, DNxHR up to 8K..
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the tips!
Hello, the bruise on your face at 00:40 is also seen in my videos. What should I do? Or can we fix this in premiere pro?
@PaulHeimlund
4 ай бұрын
The “bruise” is simply because that clip is a screenshot and only 8bit, meaning the dynamic range is too low to show the details in the shadows. If this happens to you I suggest lighting the scene brighter or turn up the ISO. Afterwards you can adjust it down in premier ;)
Very useful
what about 265
Great thanks for explaining! I already understood the codecs basic. All intra I see to be also called mezzanine but anyway I'm struggling to understand how crucial is to have a camera that records in pro res raw. What is the difference between filming in 264 and than transcoding to pro res or recording directly in pro res. How huge is the difference? Thanks!
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
Hey! H.264 is not a lossless format, meaning the information stored in each frame is “limited”. Transcoding this to ProRes means the information will still be limited, as you cannot get any information back. Filming in ProRes contains all information, as it’s basically a lossless codec. To sum it up: transcoding h264 to ProRes makes it easier to edit, but the image quality will always be inferior to filming natively in ProRes, which is easy to edit and has amazing quality. Hope this helps ;)
@harry54ck
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulHeimlund Great thanks for your reply. My greatest misunderstanding was assuming that 264 is still close to lossless but just with a more efficient encoding algorithm.
@akyhne
11 ай бұрын
H.264 is as "losses", as mp3 is in audio. The same goes for H.265, AV1, VP9 and most codecs. So stick to ProRes, Blackmagic RAW, DNXHR and other "losses" codecs, as much as possible, until you do the final export. Btw., those high quality codecs are also compressed, but nothing like the "end user" codecs.
hey thanks for the video! what about colour profile? my original video was in clog3 and it looks weird and blown out after the prores conversion. thanks in advance!
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
Hey! It can be many things. Did you convert the clog to 709 before you did the ProRes conversion?
@shivamnandiofficial
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulHeimlund hello thanks for replying....i figured something that works for me... pls let me know if this is the best/optmized way..... 1. shoot video in clog3, 4k 24 or 4k 60 (canon r7) 2. open that footage in da vinci 3. apply colour transform effect - input gamma = clog3 4. export footage : format = quicktime and type = Apple prores 422 proxy 5. the new exported video works fine and smooth in editing.
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
@@shivamnandiofficial Yeah! That’s the way to do it ;)
HVEC on my DJI Action 4 edits a lot less smooth than H.264, even a single HVEC video on the timeline is choppy, when and entire 30 minute video edit with the H.264 clips are smooth. Why is this?
@PaulHeimlund
10 ай бұрын
Hey! You might need to install the HVEC codec on your computer. I suggest checking out Dji forums for more information. Hope this helps ;)
@anthonyanzalone
7 ай бұрын
The DJI Action 4 (and pocket cameras) automatically record .LRF files which I use as proxy files. Rename them to .MP4., place them in a subfolder under your 4k footage, and then attach your 4k footage to them. I found doing this makes editing much smoother, even multicam editing which used to be impossible.
It's simple . If you use Mac use ProRes. If you use Windows use H.264. On Windows ProRes has the same issues that H.264 has on Mac.
I create 720p/1080p proxies in h265. I'm using resolve. And I rarely ever use more than 3 tracks of video simulatenously so I never run into issues.
@PaulHeimlund
6 ай бұрын
But if you film in ProRes or a similar codec you don’t need proxies ;)
@8lec_R
6 ай бұрын
I dont have hdd space@@PaulHeimlund
@mariyka_kho
2 ай бұрын
Does this proxies somehow effect the footage initial quality?)
@8lec_R
2 ай бұрын
@@mariyka_kho no. Unless you render the proxy files, which is not the default and you have to go out of your way to to do
I am on p.c. so I take h.265 on my smartphone into handbrake transcode to h.264 or other dnhq
@rockrecordreport7136
7 ай бұрын
that takes an additional hit to the quality there. One needs to transcode to a good intermediate codec, ProRes, CineForm, etc.
3:12 song?
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
I can’t remember. It’s from Artlist. Check out link, will find out by tomorrow :)
Hevc is good but we need h.266 x266 codec now days for 4k
@akyhne
11 ай бұрын
The higher compression codec, the worse playback in your NLE. So H.265 is already heavier to playback in an NLE, as H.264 is. H.266 will only be worse (as will AV1).
@XYZXX113
11 ай бұрын
@@akyhne Nvidia ai compression 😂
wow I totally didn't see Apple working for Apple. Who would have thought :O
i'm a avid user. always using mxf
Apple Silicon solved this for me. Abandoning Intel was the best decision I ever made. Editing 6K HEVC and 4K H264 is great on this machine. It plays fine, it scrubs at about 80-90% as well as ProRes without transcoding the footage or rendering.
@PaulHeimlund
4 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
@CrushedAsian255
4 ай бұрын
@@PaulHeimlundit’s because apple silicon has a special hardware module for encoding and decoding h264/hevc/prores
@TechMixr
4 ай бұрын
@@CrushedAsian255 was one of the main reasons I migrated. Have had an M3 Max since end of January and I’ll never look back!
@mariyka_kho
2 ай бұрын
Hi! I’m interested in your experience, because I’ve been struggling with massive lagging in DaVinci (free version) and can’t understand the reason. I’m working on Mac (Chip: Apple M2, 8GB - but always have a lot of free space). Codec H.264 Does my Mac is Silicon version? I suppose it is, so why Davinci proceed lagging ((( it’s so annoying
@JayYoung-b6p
11 күн бұрын
@@mariyka_kho8gb ram isn't enough, neither is 256gb ssd
well well, I am filming with my gh5 in 4K-h264-422-10bit-All Intra-vlog-400 Mbit/s. All Intra is just a parameter of that codec ok? And All Intra is not specific to a "delivery" codec ok? This is opposite since with All Intra you increase your bitrate. All Intra in the timeline is faster to edit because less calculation. And remember h264-422-10bit is not hardware accelerated at all (All-i or Lon Gop). My 2 cents.
@PaulHeimlund
Жыл бұрын
I've never said all intra is specific to a "delivery" codec, nor do I talk about codecs being hardware accelerated. Furthermore, you don't increase the bitrate simply because the footage is All Intra.
@magnificoas388
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulHeimlund Hi Paul, thx for your answer. You said:"...You’re correct regarding All-i, it is intraframe, but as you say, made for delivery not editing...." Let's say, and you are right, h264 and h265 are delivery codecs generaly speaking. But with all-I these codecs are becoming full editing codecs. Don't you think so? The only question remaining is: with same bitrate, are all-I h265 and "mezzanine" codecs (prores,etc.) Image Quality equivalent ? For same quality of the image of the intra frame, bitrate of all-I is greater than the long gop equivalent footage bitrate: that is the goal of long gop, replacing full information by more calculation.
pffff.. I thought that I had resolution for lagging editing here but no.. apple product.. next video -->
H.264 sucks for editing because you use an Apple computer. Get something with an Nvidia or AMD video card that has hardware decoding and encoding H.264 and H.265, which is almost every card made after 2018, and stop apologizing for Apple. If I converted my camera's H.265 footage to ProRes, I'd need 4-8x the storage space.
@akyhne
11 ай бұрын
No matter your OS or computer, H.264 (and 265, AV1 etc.) will always be harder to your NLE, than ProRes, DNxHR etc. Just put enough effects and color grading on your H.264, and even the strongest PC can experience dropped frames.
@PaulHeimlund
11 ай бұрын
Agree 110% :)
@rockrecordreport7136
7 ай бұрын
Yes, but you'd be moving into a professional direction in quality... if you want that quality. Large drives including SSDs have come way down in price you may have heard.