Why Ford's Flathead V8 Engine Died

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In 1932 Ford introduced the mass market to V8 engines, sticking a 3.6L flathead V8 producing a terrifying 65 horsepower in the Model 18. The engine lived on until 1953, until being finally replaced in 1954.
What was so special about the flathead V8? Mostly the simplicity of the design. Instead of complicated cylinder heads, they were now simply a single piece of relatively flat metal (flat head). This drove the cost of the engine down, allowing it to be built and sold on a larger scale.
The challenge, however, is that the engine suffered from poor airflow, especially at high RPM. In this video we'll discuss the valvetrain, and how the flathead design impedes airflow for high revving, high power engines. Not only was airflow a challenge, but the compression ratio was difficult to increase without further restrictions on airflow. Ultimately, improved technologies replaced the flathead in 1954.
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  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained6 жыл бұрын

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  • @lightsleven

    @lightsleven

    6 жыл бұрын

    Engineering Explained hey I have some car list part I need your help with, where I can send it to you?

  • @sambananas4513

    @sambananas4513

    6 жыл бұрын

    How in the name of God can you be 7 years older than me yet look 35? 1953?

  • @driffbro3380

    @driffbro3380

    6 жыл бұрын

    You know this design, even though very inefficient, I think one thing that was good about it is that it was a pretty compact design.. I'd imagine even compact than the LS series motors and LS motors are known for their compactness.. what do you think about that?

  • @AbeFM

    @AbeFM

    6 жыл бұрын

    Your first layer is a little too far from the bed - the top of those valves should be less gappy. :-) awesome video, as always. Really cool model and the hands on is great.

  • @jameswade2002

    @jameswade2002

    6 жыл бұрын

    @ Read More: I thought this too, and went reading. As it turns out they are super thick and heavy blocks because of their "thick wall" casting. Ford and everyone else in the 1930s didn't have the technological acumen necessary to cast it any lighter, and it should be noted that the three main bearing design of this and other ICEs of the period shows that they were never intended to rev or make what we consider real power. So with the problems of being unable to build compression while maintaining port flow into the chamber (mechanically impossible as closing the head up will lead to flow issues) and the heavy weight AND floppy crank support, most of these early flathead designs aren't worth pursuing even if they are slightly more compact. *BUT* there is a flathead in a shop in my city and I'm going to go there and measure it to see how tall and wide it is. I think it's not as narrow as you might think because the heads have to be wider to cover the valves which sit beside the cylinder. You'd think it'd be smaller, but I'm not sure that it actually is.

  • @carlosmarquez3844
    @carlosmarquez38445 жыл бұрын

    The next video will be explaining how to look 40 years younger...

  • @CertifiedRippers

    @CertifiedRippers

    5 жыл бұрын

    ikr

  • @hugoburton5222

    @hugoburton5222

    5 жыл бұрын

    He's not 65/66 is he?

  • @StillNoPickles69

    @StillNoPickles69

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hugs obviously not dumbfuck

  • @traitoR142

    @traitoR142

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@StillNoPickles69 Says he was born in 53, i'm pretty sure that equates to 66, having a hard time believing it though.

  • @StillNoPickles69

    @StillNoPickles69

    5 жыл бұрын

    traitoR142 its a joke...

  • @DubStepTomatoFarmer
    @DubStepTomatoFarmer4 жыл бұрын

    Well no wonder it only made 60 hp. Look how small it is

  • @raygud

    @raygud

    4 жыл бұрын

    and v6 made 30 bhp ..

  • @alexandergolke1325

    @alexandergolke1325

    4 жыл бұрын

    Derek Zoolander? Is it you?

  • @ImNotADeeJay

    @ImNotADeeJay

    4 жыл бұрын

    and those plastic pistons aren't cutting it either

  • @johnjuhasz9125

    @johnjuhasz9125

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, lose a lot of real estate that COULD be more displacement.

  • @calvinnickel9995

    @calvinnickel9995

    4 жыл бұрын

    It needs to be at least three times bigger.

  • @Steven-bh3uk
    @Steven-bh3uk5 жыл бұрын

    Engineering needs to explain how he was born in 1953? Have you sniffing the Tesla car fumes again?

  • @TestTubeBabySpy

    @TestTubeBabySpy

    5 жыл бұрын

    Exactly, he just trying to get attention

  • @mariosgbodys

    @mariosgbodys

    5 жыл бұрын

    He was born in 1989

  • @westelaudio943

    @westelaudio943

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mariosgbodys So he is LITERALLY a 30-year old Boomer?

  • @dano4572

    @dano4572

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@iamnid google it! just sayin

  • @johnjuhasz9125

    @johnjuhasz9125

    4 жыл бұрын

    It’s called a joke. Back in 1953 we used to tell them to make people laugh. Before everyone became offended by everything.

  • @SP-mp9yi
    @SP-mp9yi4 жыл бұрын

    For all those not understanding the born in 1953 comment: His real name is Jason Miller and he’s originally from Silicate Missouri born on Palate Street in 1989. He drops the age twister 🌪 as a ongoing running joke to see who’s listening, he was 23 in his last video. I’ve known him since we were kids back in Canada 🇨🇦.

  • @Simon_r2600

    @Simon_r2600

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ah, i already doubted my ability to estimate a person's age 😂

  • @gregdunlap7538

    @gregdunlap7538

    2 жыл бұрын

    Haha, thought he might be a vampire :)

  • @pforce9

    @pforce9

    Ай бұрын

    I wondered about that age. I am an old guy and that guy is not. I was born in 1944 and my father owned a flathead ford. That thing could hit about 80 MPH.

  • @wsbill14224

    @wsbill14224

    Ай бұрын

    His real name is Jason Fenske

  • @PeopleAlreadyDidThis
    @PeopleAlreadyDidThis6 жыл бұрын

    As for low compression and inefficiency, one should recall that when this engine was developed, gasoline had an octane rating of about 50. Raising the CR got you nothing but detonation. Phillips 66 took its name for a reason: a big leap in octane rating, all the way to 66. Old engine designs favored long strokes, therefore high torque and low RPM. High horsepower was unnecessary in a land where a great many roads weren’t paved until after World War II and Interstates hadn’t been conceived, because you weren’t going to be driving all that fast. So volumetric efficiency and “breathing” weren’t that important. An engine needed to run with reliability acceptable for its time, achieve reasonable fuel mileage, and have an acceptable service life (which was short in those days). That was enough.

  • @Iceaxehikes

    @Iceaxehikes

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alan's Mistakin' Acres you explained it. My old Willys Jeep had 7:1 compression for a reason. The fuel available limited compression ratios due to knocking.

  • @frankeggers4024

    @frankeggers4024

    6 жыл бұрын

    My mother's 1950 Chevrolet had a compression ratio of only 6.5:1 with was a bit low even for that time. I seem to recall that the compression ratio of my 1951 Ford V8 was 7.0:1. It was very difficult for a flathead engine to get more than 0.5 HP per cubic inch. Hudson, with its 308 cubic inch flathead 6, claimed to get something like 175 HP with the Hudson Hornet (that was with dealer modifications), but I suspect that that was somewhat of an exaggeration even though they were winning most of the stock car races with that engine.

  • @gregfeneis609

    @gregfeneis609

    6 жыл бұрын

    Even in modern industrial engines where it's advantageous to get peak torque at a low RPM, the piston stroke is relatively long compared to bore, compression ratios are low, spark plugs are enormous, intake plenums are long and narrow. Only these days, such engines come with electronic ignition and spin-on oil filters and fuel injection

  • @hughaxton

    @hughaxton

    6 жыл бұрын

    route 66 got its name for the same reason- cars had to use 66 octane gas to be able to make it to Santa Monica.

  • @WhoThisGuy515

    @WhoThisGuy515

    6 жыл бұрын

    The low compression benefits nicely with today's fuel though, a little ol M90 does wonders for the torque of the FH.

  • @bluegtturbo
    @bluegtturbo5 жыл бұрын

    The most impressive thing about this engine is how silently it runs! And the next most impressive thing is how it stays running even with the cylinder head removed and the carbs removed...

  • @grahamowen1570

    @grahamowen1570

    5 жыл бұрын

    bluegtturbo ahhh,thats white man magic 😉

  • @williamcox5216

    @williamcox5216

    4 жыл бұрын

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU CHATTERING ABOUT

  • @markk3652

    @markk3652

    4 жыл бұрын

    You can see a video of an actual flathead running with 1 head removed, for reals, each side is it's own 4 cylinder engine.

  • @AbdulAllahAbuDaoud

    @AbdulAllahAbuDaoud

    4 жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @woogymodel

    @woogymodel

    4 жыл бұрын

    My doctor did say that cutting down on carbs is good ;)

  • @dickritchie2596
    @dickritchie25963 жыл бұрын

    You missed the most fascinating feature of the engine: The single cast v-8 block was an enormous engineering feat in 1930. Henry Ford literally bet the farm on it. He also put a lot of decent people under unnecessary stress trying to figure that out. He idled the plants several times to focus on the v-8 development.

  • @jimglasco

    @jimglasco

    2 жыл бұрын

    I heard that there were unnatural stresses because of the casting, and to insure that it didn't crack through water jackets or other areas, that they actually had a guy hit them in a non vital area with a ball peen hammer to pre crack the block and relieve stress.

  • @jameswilber518

    @jameswilber518

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree. He keeps saying "It really was a simple design." OH HELL NO IT WASN"T!!

  • @standhd

    @standhd

    2 жыл бұрын

    This was the engine that Clyde Barrow liked in the cars he and Bonnie used in their crime sprees in the 1930’s and the were killed by lawmen in a car with this engine. Clyde even wrote to Ford praising the engine.

  • @engleharddinglefester4285

    @engleharddinglefester4285

    Жыл бұрын

    The story I heard was the engineers complained about all the obstacles to making it, to which Henry replied, "I want it, and I'll have it." I had a relative who worked for Ford at the (I think) Watertown MA plant. He said he saw men in their 50's carried out with heart attacks. The conveyor started at 7:40 am., not even 7.

  • @JerryEricsson
    @JerryEricsson5 жыл бұрын

    My first car was a 1950 Ford with the flat head V8 three on the tree, she was a sweetheart. Dad bought it for me, it had been in a front end collision so he got it for 20 bucks back then. He brought it home and told me I could have it after I fixed it up. I think it took me and my buddy about three days to find a front clip out at the City Dump grounds (they were open to the public back then and there were stacks of cars to pick from). Man the stories I could tell about that old car, sadly one day my cousin who pumped gas urged me to spin the tires, so i revved her up and popped the clutch, tore out low and reverse! When dad found out what I had done, he gave the car to my uncle and told me that when I had saved enough money from working on farms and such I could buy myself a car, perhaps then I would learn to take care of them. the old 50 went to my Uncle's farm, the engine came out and went into his farm truck, and the body became a damn chicken coup!

  • @glurak888

    @glurak888

    3 жыл бұрын

    Your dad's a prick

  • @truantray
    @truantray6 жыл бұрын

    He's 65. He bathes in 10W40 every day for 3 hours.

  • @EngineeringExplained

    @EngineeringExplained

    6 жыл бұрын

    Don’t reveal my secret!

  • @S730SD

    @S730SD

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'm amazed he hasn't patented that :)

  • @kavinsp

    @kavinsp

    5 жыл бұрын

    okleydokley minutes away from dying

  • @alanwhiteside410

    @alanwhiteside410

    5 жыл бұрын

    okleydokley Whether he needed it or not! Lol

  • @TheMrPeteChannel

    @TheMrPeteChannel

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@EngineeringExplained your 65!

  • @kx100kidj
    @kx100kidj6 жыл бұрын

    that 1953 joke made me laugh good job grey haired jason

  • @EngineeringExplained

    @EngineeringExplained

    6 жыл бұрын

    People often ask, it's time I reveal the truth! #1953

  • @johnburns4017

    @johnburns4017

    6 жыл бұрын

    You wear well Jason. What do you eat?

  • @user-dd2vc5cd1p

    @user-dd2vc5cd1p

    6 жыл бұрын

    Engineering Explained what the hell?

  • @Aralayxo

    @Aralayxo

    6 жыл бұрын

    100 octane fuel and 0w-30 oil.

  • @davidb8831

    @davidb8831

    6 жыл бұрын

    Engineering Explained lies

  • @AshtonCoolman
    @AshtonCoolman5 жыл бұрын

    Now, if a 3-cylinder engine makes 65hp, it's considered on the weak side.

  • @wetlettuce4768

    @wetlettuce4768

    5 жыл бұрын

    Back in the day if an engine required more then an adjustable wrench and a hammer to work on it would be considered trash.

  • @brianpatrick8787

    @brianpatrick8787

    5 жыл бұрын

    Modern engines don't really make the power they claim for on simple reason. They are rated at insanely high rpm. Look up the hp and torque curves for old motors and new motors. 3000 rpm and 140 hp. Vs 200 at 5500 rpm today. From 0 to 3000 the old motors eat the new stuff alive. That why Ford is going old school with its new v8. Push rod and single cam in block and only 2 valve. Multi valve over head cam engines suck dish water at low rpm and rely on higher rpms than you can turn at highway speeds to make power. On paper a 5.4 ford is more powerful than 1970s 351. But I towed the same 10000 lb trailer with the 5.4 and our old farm truck with its 351. Same 4.10 axle ratio in both trucks. The new 5.4 had to down shift out of drive (1 to 1) into second on a hill the older engine could do in drive. The electronic tranny and engine control would not let me go faster than 45 with up shifting to drive.

  • @imzjustplayin

    @imzjustplayin

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@brianpatrick8787 Modern engines make exactly the power they claim. The difference between old engines and new ones is that the old ones hit peak HP very early. Transmission gearing can be configured any which way. If you want that little engine to make 138BHP like in the Focus Turbo 1.0L, you can and it will. You can certainly throw that 1.0L 138HP engine in Chevrolet Pickup truck in place of the V6 engine found in a '85 C10 pickup which was offered with a 130HP V6, but the biggest change you'd have to make in order to make it as drivable as it was with the V6 is put an appropriately geared transmission, preferably with multiple gears (6+). You can either have a wide power band like a sports car or a narrow powerband like an on the road diesel truck. There are pros and cons for each setup.

  • @bcubed72

    @bcubed72

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's the "area under the curve" that matters. Particularly for a grocery-getter...soccer mama is never revving to redline; power below 3000 RPM is what gets you away from the stoplight. And (at least for NA engines) cubes is what gets you low end, end of. Your little 3-cyl might have more hp, but only after you wind it up to Dremel RPMs.

  • @bcubed72

    @bcubed72

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@KevAlberta I guessing forced induction? Yeah, stick a turbo on anything and you get more HP, flatheads included. You aren't getting more torque than HP out of a 3-banger without shoveling air into it.

  • @desertbob6835
    @desertbob68355 жыл бұрын

    My first car was a '50 Fordor Custom. My dad and uncles all had flatties from 1932 on. They were obsolete by 1949. Mine was 100 HP, and had all the usual flattie problems. One thing you didn't mention was the Ford flattie V8's penchant to overheat. The reason was simple... the damned exhaust ports go right through the water jacket! Siamesing the middle cylinders' exhausts into a single port didn't help breathing, either, and only 3 main bearings didn't bode well for longevity. At best, my '50 got 14 MPG around town and 16 on the road. My '55 Olds w/Hydra-Matic got 17 around town and 22 on the road...with almost twice the horsepower available. GM's engines were far better than Ford's Y-blocks that replaced the flatties, as were Chrysler's. Ford finally got their act together with the big block FE in '58, and Ford's small block of 1962 turned out to be a far better engine than the trouble plagued Chevy small block. But all through the mid-50s, Ford engines were just overweight gas-guzzling chunks of iron. As Packard used to say, "Ask the man who owns one." I did, and can tell the real story. Too bad, too, since other than the obsolete V8, the Shoebox Ford was a pretty nice car. Here's a tip...the I-6 available as standard engine in 1950 put out 5 more HP AND got better fuel economy. Ford, of course, never advertised that fact and derated the 6 on paper to sell more V8s.

  • @dhy5342

    @dhy5342

    5 жыл бұрын

    "... the trouble plagued Chevy small block."? That's a strange statement about a design that has stood the test of time for 64 years. Anyway, your comments about the Ford I-6 v flathead V-8 is right on. The six outperformed the V-8 in every field - acceleration, economy, speed, ease of maintenance*. *whoever designed the V-8 water pumps should be hung by his ankles. I've spent hours trying to get the bolt out from inside the water outlet after it had been rounded off by corrosion.

  • @perlandstrom5023

    @perlandstrom5023

    5 жыл бұрын

    i have a cadillac with a 346 flathead in it thatcim rebuilding. i would asume they dont overheat as bad since the exhaust exits on top so it doesnt go through the block like the ford

  • @crforfreedom7407

    @crforfreedom7407

    5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent assessment Deser. Ford GAVE GM predominance in the 20s and late 40s, early 50s. Just handed it to them. Technology has to evolve. I have a Willys Jeep with the flathead Go Devil. That evolved to the F-head half (intake OH, exaust in the block). I think what made Ford's flathead V8 such a technological wonder was it being the first 1-piece cast solid block. Before Ford, all larger blocks were usually 3 pieces bolted together. You can imagine the problems with parts of an engine block bolted together. The technique Ford and the engineers patented are still being used today in firing a block. THAT was the great accomplishment of the FHV8. That and it's important role in the evolution/trial and error learning process of V6/8 innovation.

  • @paulk5311

    @paulk5311

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@dhy5342 stainless steel bolts would have been the ticket. i love the small block chevy water pump. four bolts and so easy to get to. much better than taking off all those bolts on a ford buick or other engines. running the bolts thru the water jacket was not that bright but the pump itself was the simplest i ever had to deal with.

  • @gregorytimmons4777

    @gregorytimmons4777

    5 жыл бұрын

    I will never understand why Chevy pressed the rocker arm studs into so many small block cylinder heads. That's the only major problem I know of with small blocks although I think I heard they had some alloy problems at first that resulted in chewed up cam, distributor, oil pump drives.

  • @thechumpsbeendumped.7797
    @thechumpsbeendumped.77976 жыл бұрын

    It would have made more power if it wasn’t made of plastic.

  • @InsideOfMyOwnMind

    @InsideOfMyOwnMind

    6 жыл бұрын

    Those would be the current Ford engines.

  • @RedHaloManiac95

    @RedHaloManiac95

    6 жыл бұрын

    Plastic or not Ford's doing it right

  • @ootdega

    @ootdega

    6 жыл бұрын

    Gotta love those engine parts that GM makes out of the same plastic as the dashboard... Those are great

  • @JingleBop

    @JingleBop

    6 жыл бұрын

    Speaking of plastic gm parts. Who thought it would be a good idea to make the upper plenum out of PLASTIC on the chevy 350 lq1 vortec??

  • @JasonW.

    @JasonW.

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alex West the same people that thought it was a great idea for 3.8 series II

  • @recnepsgnitnarb6530
    @recnepsgnitnarb65305 жыл бұрын

    Dude, if you're a senior citizen, then I'm 400 years old.

  • @mikenodine6713

    @mikenodine6713

    3 жыл бұрын

    He figured out how to make a Time Machine! :D

  • @northdakotaham1752

    @northdakotaham1752

    3 жыл бұрын

    And I am an astronaut.

  • @richardsleep5242
    @richardsleep52423 жыл бұрын

    I have owned several Ford/Mercury/Lincoln flat head V-8 automobiles and loved every one. In 1962, I drove a gunmetal grey 1950 Ford Custom 2-door with the stock motor but with dual exhaust and Smithy Glass Packs and electric overdrive/4:11 rear end. Off the line fast out of overdrive, then engage overdrive and cruise all day at low rpms. So, in 1962, I drove from Los Angeles to Chicago almost non-stop- just a short nap in incredibly star-filled black night in the middle of nowhere Nebraska.Flat Heads Fords with pipes had a sweet low rumble tone.

  • @BusbyBiscuits
    @BusbyBiscuits6 жыл бұрын

    I have now finally found a reason to genuinely want a 3D printer

  • @bartholomewbilby1333

    @bartholomewbilby1333

    6 жыл бұрын

    I recoment the Creality Cr- 10 for 500. It prints large and fast or high quality and slow, but overall a great printer.

  • @tacomas9602

    @tacomas9602

    6 жыл бұрын

    heldgop it's easy kid I created a car frame on Inventor in like a week

  • @killman369547

    @killman369547

    6 жыл бұрын

    +Paul Busby. you'd have to print every component individually in order for it to move, that will take some time but if you have the patience then you can print and build pretty much whatever you want. im interested in getting one myself but i feel i've got some learning to do before i get one.

  • @tennicktenstyl

    @tennicktenstyl

    6 жыл бұрын

    You also need to learn 3d modeling dude. it's easy, but takes time to learn.

  • @ColeSpolaric
    @ColeSpolaric6 жыл бұрын

    it's essentially a lawn mower engine times 8 cylinders.

  • @bgautschi

    @bgautschi

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cole Spolaric Nope. A lawnmower engine is just a flat head v8 with 7 of the cylinders cut off.

  • @ColeSpolaric

    @ColeSpolaric

    6 жыл бұрын

    you say tomato I say tamoto lol

  • @InsideOfMyOwnMind

    @InsideOfMyOwnMind

    6 жыл бұрын

    I didn't see your comment in time.

  • @homeofthemad3044

    @homeofthemad3044

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cole Spolaric Nobody says tamoto.

  • @ColeSpolaric

    @ColeSpolaric

    6 жыл бұрын

    🙄 It's just an expression...

  • @812guitars
    @812guitars5 жыл бұрын

    Wait. This guy is 65??? Get the F out of here!!!

  • @Tech-NO-City

    @Tech-NO-City

    5 жыл бұрын

    What does this guy eat for food?

  • @CheekiScrubb

    @CheekiScrubb

    5 жыл бұрын

    gt ford outta here

  • @nickmotsarsky4382

    @nickmotsarsky4382

    5 жыл бұрын

    He's not.

  • @alexanderspector5224

    @alexanderspector5224

    4 жыл бұрын

    woosh

  • @XTCMatrix

    @XTCMatrix

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nickmotsarsky4382 lol

  • @stanleyreynolds7800
    @stanleyreynolds78004 жыл бұрын

    After all these years, I always assumed that the center exhaust port was really inefficient. Now I understand that the two cylinders shared it independently.

  • @Jack29151

    @Jack29151

    3 жыл бұрын

    Pontiac did that on the 389 big block. nothing really wrong with it given the middle 2 cylinders didn't fire at the same time.

  • @RefinedDegenerate
    @RefinedDegenerate6 жыл бұрын

    Wow you don't look 65 years old, I honestly thought you were 80 years old.

  • @yotzincastrejon

    @yotzincastrejon

    6 жыл бұрын

    god damnit your profile picture

  • @peteragurkis3590

    @peteragurkis3590

    5 жыл бұрын

    Just tried to brush your profile pic off my monitor

  • @mrc14_2

    @mrc14_2

    4 жыл бұрын

    I thought he was 90... but ok

  • @moesizlac2596
    @moesizlac25966 жыл бұрын

    He has the heart of a young boy! He keeps it in a jar on his parts shelf.

  • @keithmallette5961

    @keithmallette5961

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lol nice

  • @joeyjamison5772
    @joeyjamison57725 жыл бұрын

    You were born in 1953? Who's your plastic surgeon?

  • @bobjohnson205

    @bobjohnson205

    5 жыл бұрын

    Definitely not the one who worked on Michael Jackson! lol

  • @urs.gras2.0

    @urs.gras2.0

    4 жыл бұрын

    He forgot he's reading a prompter. 😂😂😂

  • @robkober9139

    @robkober9139

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same guy that made that plastic engine.

  • @macmac8249

    @macmac8249

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@robkober9139 The difference between the engine and Jackson? The engine still runs.

  • @therustgiant1925
    @therustgiant19255 жыл бұрын

    I'm not quite sure how I made the connection, but your amazing explanation and equally amazing use of the model lead me to realize the purpose of a rocker as well as how it works

  • @TheWolvesCurse
    @TheWolvesCurse6 жыл бұрын

    can you do one of these about the VW beetle engine? i know you've done about boxerengines alraedy, but not about aircooled ones with carburetors instead of EFI. airflow and oilmanagement surely is vastly different from subaru engines. plus you'd be doing a video on another car which caused mass motorisation in a country just like this ford engine. following that could be the Austin Mini and the Citroën 2CV.

  • @captainvector

    @captainvector

    6 жыл бұрын

    TheWolvesCurse +1. Good idea!

  • @tinatpasselepoivre

    @tinatpasselepoivre

    6 жыл бұрын

    or the 2cv one, which is the smaller variant :D

  • @ronaldreed7698

    @ronaldreed7698

    6 жыл бұрын

    TheWolvesCurse A VW is a boxer/pancake/ dually opposed... take your pick.

  • @Reploidx9

    @Reploidx9

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ronaldreed7698 Never heard it called pancake or dually opposed. +1 new terminology

  • @TheBTRGarage
    @TheBTRGarage6 жыл бұрын

    They needed these V8's back in your day because you had to drive up hill both ways to work!

  • @billville111

    @billville111

    5 жыл бұрын

    Best comment of the month, but you have to be old enough to understand it.

  • @crunch9876

    @crunch9876

    5 жыл бұрын

    billville111 I don’t get it someone please explain

  • @berlyn0963

    @berlyn0963

    5 жыл бұрын

    I dont get it

  • @BAZZAROU812

    @BAZZAROU812

    5 жыл бұрын

    In the snow and it was 100 below zero..

  • @Bartonovich52

    @Bartonovich52

    5 жыл бұрын

    It was a huge improvement over the Model T which would only drive in reverse up hills.

  • @davidblalock9945
    @davidblalock99455 жыл бұрын

    I've always felt that the Flathead is an excellent engine for performance builds. The inherently low compression ratio makes it well suited for turbocharging. And forced induction also largely mitigates all the aid flow issues. That the intake and exhaust ports are on the same side of the head is also beneficial for turbocharging as this greatly reduces the distance the exhaust gasses must travel before work is extracted to operate the turbine. With properly reworked heads to support direct injection and some veins for air flow control an improved swirl effect can greatly improve combustion efficiency. I think its well past time for the Flathead to make a come back.

  • @Candisa

    @Candisa

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why am I the first to like this after 3 months?

  • @tomstulc9143

    @tomstulc9143

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not really. A very weak bottom end poor airflow and overheating.

  • @jSyndeoMusic
    @jSyndeoMusic5 жыл бұрын

    Engineering Explained? How about _ANTI-AGING EXPLAINED??_

  • @ShakamuraGames
    @ShakamuraGames6 жыл бұрын

    youre 65? lol

  • @thesadzebra

    @thesadzebra

    6 жыл бұрын

    ShakamuraGames 30-65 we aren’t sure

  • @joes.7536

    @joes.7536

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ferguson101 we will never know. But we do know he has the oldest teenager title forever.

  • @USSAnimeNCC-

    @USSAnimeNCC-

    6 жыл бұрын

    He still look good at his age lol

  • @Stue-e

    @Stue-e

    6 жыл бұрын

    i think its a joke regarding people constantly calling out his grey hairs

  • @wrighteously

    @wrighteously

    6 жыл бұрын

    Benjamin Burkhardt lmao

  • @johnoakes3106
    @johnoakes31066 жыл бұрын

    Greatest Ford engine ever made! I had two, a '46 and a '51 and my Dad had a '50 Mercury. I got my '46 right after high school much to the chagrin of a neighbor. He said it made the housing unit look trashy. It didn't really look that bad. and it wasn't noisy. (yet) Finally, he told me day he was going to call the police and have it towed off. Well, I talked to my Dad. Dad didn't like the car much either but it was mine,didn't cost him a cent, I lived there also and used it to go to work. So, off we go to talk to said neighbor. Pounded on his door and when he answered the jerk knew he could be in deep, painful trouble. He tried to deny iy but that got my father madder.Finally, the said he had no objection to my fine Ford being parked. I was never so proud of my Father or loved him more. R.I.P. Sir. Anyway, to finish my story. Everything was peaceful for a few month 'till winter hit. Frigid below 0 temps. Dig your car out, etc. By this, with help from friend and a '46 shop manual I got the old girl running a bout as good as it going to get. Got in, pumped the gas twice. Pulled the choke out, and hit the starter button. Fired right off like it was high summer. Well when I got out of the car to sweep it off, guess who's car was next to mine and wouldn't start? Yep, mr. don't like my car. He even asked if I'd give him a jump. I could have since his car was '55 Mercury which was the last year for the 6-Volt systems. The '46 was a 6-Volt also. I told the '46 was a positive ground and his was negative. Which was the truth but as long as the jumper cables were hooked up correctly, it made no difference. I told my Dad a month later and he laughed uproariously. Love ya, Dad. I'm sorry this story rambled on. I was going to give a few quips about my Flatheads But this story popped into my head and it started writing itself. I hope of read read it get a bit of kick out of it

  • @vincesbardella3838

    @vincesbardella3838

    4 жыл бұрын

    @John Oakes: Nice story, John. I'm probably much older than you (1933) and do the same. My sons, grandchildren, and older great-grandchildren seem to enjoy the stories. Maybe they're just being polite.

  • @hkk3656
    @hkk36564 жыл бұрын

    I'm 87 and don't date women over 30. That's my secret for keeping young.

  • @lostindixie

    @lostindixie

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're only as old as the women you feel.

  • @willyswagon57

    @willyswagon57

    4 жыл бұрын

    Gross ,must be some real winners, but good for you

  • @blackbirdpie217

    @blackbirdpie217

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're either very wealthy, very lonely, or you look 60 years younger than you are.

  • @jimbrewer498

    @jimbrewer498

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, I'm 57 and don't date women over 38ish. Nothing wrong with that ! In fact, they usually make the first move. Granted, I don't exactly look my age but there are oodles and gobs of women specifically looking for older men, many more than you could possibly imagine.

  • @timjohnson1199

    @timjohnson1199

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm making my age inversely proportional to my maturity. Not working so far but the wife is pissed.

  • @thebeastfromthesoutheast7765
    @thebeastfromthesoutheast77654 жыл бұрын

    I must say man out of all the videos and i mean all the videos of teaching engineering ive found yours the most interesting and indepth and straight to the point of the video which is bloody useful. Great work👍

  • @brtshstel
    @brtshstel6 жыл бұрын

    Another problem with the design was the exhaust placement. You had two hot exhaust valves right in the center sharing one port. Older blocks (with a lower quality casting) liked to crack the wall between those two cylinders.

  • @TheMick26
    @TheMick266 жыл бұрын

    Hey Jason. From one old man to another, thank you for these amazing videos.🙏

  • @EngineeringExplained

    @EngineeringExplained

    6 жыл бұрын

    Very welcome, thanks for watching!!

  • @TheMick26

    @TheMick26

    6 жыл бұрын

    SDD525 I'm 29... plus tax.😉

  • @DENicholsAutoBravado

    @DENicholsAutoBravado

    6 жыл бұрын

    As the real old man in the conversation with an extra decade on me...never mind, I don't have a good joke, but I enjoyed the banter. Feel free to banter where I create also. :)

  • @TheMick26

    @TheMick26

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cheers, buddy! In reality, I'll be 48 in about 2 months. When I said "plus tax", I wasn't joking. I pay a LOT of taxes. haha. Have a good weekend, sir!

  • @crobulari2328

    @crobulari2328

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sidney Allard came 3rd. in Le Mans with an Allard car !!. Privateer as well, little money !.

  • @charleslange7619
    @charleslange76195 жыл бұрын

    We had a '51 In-line 6 Ford flat-head engine that spent two seasons in a combine harvester then converted to propane and ran an irrigation pump for the next 32 years. It ran pretty much non stop from late spring through the summer. Except for normal maintenance stuff, this engine was never rebuilt!!

  • @ty2010

    @ty2010

    5 жыл бұрын

    They hate revs and most people set the advance too high

  • @gregwarner8770

    @gregwarner8770

    3 жыл бұрын

    Now tell us why horse and buggies got replaced.

  • @123edwardzpad
    @123edwardzpad5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the extremely well produced and informative video presentation. One thing I believe is very important to address is the reliability and power generated with 65 to 70 octane fuel. As a simple, reliable Workhorse, these engines are really great. When consumers had available to themselves, the excess Capital to demand higher performance engines; it truly was the death knell.

  • @peterpiper_203
    @peterpiper_2036 жыл бұрын

    My buddy's old man 73 yrs young still builds flat heads Last one in a 34 Ford and drove it up to Connecticut and back down to Florida Flatheads sound awesome

  • @jamesgoolsby.

    @jamesgoolsby.

    6 жыл бұрын

    Nice profile pic : )

  • @peterpiper_203

    @peterpiper_203

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yeller' Snake Right Back Atcha

  • @awhitness
    @awhitness6 жыл бұрын

    There are positives to the flathead V8. No rocker arms and push rods, more compact less weight. The low compression is great for supercharging. Oh yeah, and its cool looking.

  • @jacquesblaque7728

    @jacquesblaque7728

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's called "spinning" it, casting a turd, engineering-wise, into something desirable. Modern DOHC pent-roof engines have it over flatheads in so many ways: efficiency, durability, specific output. These engines were the "buggy-whips" of prime-movers. Kludges. For obvious reasons they run HOT.

  • @Bartonovich52

    @Bartonovich52

    5 жыл бұрын

    DOHC and durability? Lol. Interference engines which will create a bunch of expensive cornflakes -if- _WHEN_ the timing belt snaps or one of the multiple chains breaks.

  • @tallen4520

    @tallen4520

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@jacquesblaque7728 When the engine is hot; any water (hot or cold) would warp and/or crack heads.

  • @Twitch760

    @Twitch760

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@jacquesblaque7728 right up until your timing belt snaps and you just bend every valve in your engine and totaled it. As a mechanic buddy of mine once said I love things that require regular replacement and I love people that ignore it even better.

  • @jacquesblaque7728

    @jacquesblaque7728

    5 жыл бұрын

    David, you're making some rash/silly assumptions about cam drive and valve/piston possible interference. Timing chains are kinda hard to snap. Many engines are non-interference. Look it up. Some that are, Porsche 911 ferinstance, will suffer broken rocker arms. Yes, it has them, off SOHC. Gimme DOHC 4-valve pent-roof, and keep boat-anchor flatties.

  • @LittleMikeStarCraft
    @LittleMikeStarCraft5 жыл бұрын

    It is amazing how many times I tell KZread I don't want to see this guys videos... but-- it keeps popping up in my feed.. and I keep clicking on them, because he talks about the coolest things ever.

  • @mr.redneck2715
    @mr.redneck27154 жыл бұрын

    You missed a important point, the flat head was the first v-8 where the block was made from a single casting making it affordable. It was one of important breakthroughs for the v-8 engine design in modern history.

  • @Jim-xu4mz
    @Jim-xu4mz6 жыл бұрын

    Love the models that you've been using lately 👏🏻

  • @P_RO_
    @P_RO_6 жыл бұрын

    Look up Charles Sorenson aka "Cast Iron Charlie" who was the guy that developed the casting techniques which made this block possible for mass production. Or any production level for that matter. Core shifting, cooling cracks, warping- all were insurmountable problems with complex iron castings like this before he came along, and there wouldn't have been a flathead V8 without him. The main reason so many hot-rodders used this engine was that it could be bought cheap and it was common, unlike the OHV V8's which were sold only in expensive cars. The flatty was a known quantity while the performance knowledge and performance parts for an Olds or Caddy motor wasn't. It was only after OHV V8's became common and cheap to buy used that the flathead died away; it was economics that killed the flatty. Once you could buy more power for the same money there was no point in fooling around with it anymore. The SBC and Hemi drove the final nails in it's coffin and the rest is history.

  • @larslarsman

    @larslarsman

    5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting reading, thanks. Initiative reminds me of how one person was able to get lead removed from gasoline, with pushback from the lead producers and no help from other agencies that should have backed him 100%.

  • @gdeangelkick

    @gdeangelkick

    5 жыл бұрын

    As I was looking at that model I was thinking to myself those ports must have been a headache to the casting process.

  • @billyhack9673

    @billyhack9673

    5 жыл бұрын

    It was the Chevrolet small block V8 that came out in 1954 that put the flatty out to pasture. The Chevy small block was developed by the Duntov group, Czech engineers that came to the USA on Sound of Music visas after WWII. They used to build light trucks and cars for the Nazis. But the Chevy small block outclassed any of the domestic V8s of the time and laid the basis for Chevy's LS engine dynasty. If you want to study a truly amazing and light years ahead engine design, get to know the awesomeness of the small block Chevy.

  • @tabbott429
    @tabbott4294 жыл бұрын

    Never knew anything about flathead except they were in really old cars. Now I know the rest of the story. Thanks!

  • @jeffruebens8355
    @jeffruebens83554 жыл бұрын

    The flat head engines were useful before electronic rev limiters- if you over revved the engine the valve float was less likely to damage the engine. For racing and trucks, aftermarket overhead cam heads were available so the engine would not overheat as easily. The record is 700 horsepower with a lot of customization now.

  • @carsmasher
    @carsmasher6 жыл бұрын

    The flathead never really died, it is still popular, it just got old and out of date with newer higher compression engines that were coming out. The 54 Y-block was 239, the same cu in as the last flathead but had 10hp more. Then the Y-blocks went to 272, 292, and 312. The FE, introduced in 58 gace us the 332, the 352, 390, 427 and 428 as 23ll as the MEL and FT series.

  • @davidschwartz5127

    @davidschwartz5127

    5 жыл бұрын

    332 cu in engine and up was a different design than the 239 cu in Y block

  • @DAN007thefoxx1

    @DAN007thefoxx1

    5 жыл бұрын

    And the Windsor pushrods were the sucessor to the Yblocks. And the powerplant of choice for the at the time newly birthed Mustang

  • @ew1usnr

    @ew1usnr

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ford put their new small block V-8 in the Galaxie and Fairlane in 1962, the Falcon in 1963, and then in the Mustang in 1964.

  • @falconater68

    @falconater68

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@davidschwartz5127 He said FE.

  • @haywoodf
    @haywoodf6 жыл бұрын

    This engine used cooling without a water pump in some applications. It used a convective siphon system to a front mounted radiator. Well it did at least on a Ford truck we used to own that was ex WW II. Another simplistic design characteristic. Granted that by today’s standards its Thermal and Volumetric efficiencies were limited by architecture but one thing I remember was how smooth and quiet the mechanicals were. Thanks for presenting the neat model with detailed explanations.

  • @frankeggers4024

    @frankeggers4024

    6 жыл бұрын

    I very much doubt that it would have been possible for the Ford flathead V8 to run without a water pump. Having the exhaust run through long passages through the cooling water imposed a big heat load on the cooling system. However, engines have been made without a water pump. Probably the best known was the model T Ford. But to make that work, it required extra large passages for the cooling water for thermosyphon to cause sufficient water flow.

  • @woogymodel
    @woogymodel4 жыл бұрын

    0:10 "In the year I was born, 1953" - you look young enough to be my son, and I was born 12 years LATER lol.

  • @sre331l

    @sre331l

    3 жыл бұрын

    You look young enough to be my son, and I was born the year before you.

  • @herpderpinson6117

    @herpderpinson6117

    3 жыл бұрын

    It was light sarcasm, he’s well aware that everyone in the comments is always confused about his age

  • @nishanttaneja8115
    @nishanttaneja81154 жыл бұрын

    Man never knew you were that old. Great keep up the good work.

  • @CliffWarren
    @CliffWarren6 жыл бұрын

    Great video and great model. I still have a flathead 4 cylinder in my Ford 8N tractor (1951 vintage). I love that thing, and it still runs great!

  • @tiernanlmorgan

    @tiernanlmorgan

    6 жыл бұрын

    There was a company called Funk that made a conversion to put the flathead V8 in the 8N There are a couple still around. It made those tractors a total hot rod. I like my 1954 Ford NAA tractor better though.

  • @sophiewilliams7582
    @sophiewilliams75825 жыл бұрын

    Clyde Barrow was fond of stealing Ford V8s for his getaway cars. He once wrote a letter to FoMoCo, complimenting them on their flathead V8-powered cars.

  • @garygerard4290
    @garygerard42905 жыл бұрын

    pretty much knew all this stuff but it was nice to see it all laid out and presented in a video thank you

  • @heathadams6299
    @heathadams62993 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Used to find them on farms along with straight 8's. Hard to find them nowdays. Great model you used.

  • @ozzymandius666
    @ozzymandius6665 жыл бұрын

    Longer stroke, custom cylinder design, turbo-charging, other engineering tweaks could make improvements. it's simplicity and reliability are legendary.

  • @sambo2891

    @sambo2891

    4 жыл бұрын

    Michael Bishop as well as casting 2 more exhaust outlets into the block to allow better engine response and thermals

  • @sharqueeshajohnalaneesha2019

    @sharqueeshajohnalaneesha2019

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maybe positioning the valves further apart could help with airflow, allowing for higher RPMs

  • @bobbastion7335

    @bobbastion7335

    4 жыл бұрын

    The SOB is legendary for running hot.

  • @richmanwisco

    @richmanwisco

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bobbastion7335 It's easy to understand why.

  • @richmanwisco

    @richmanwisco

    4 жыл бұрын

    It seems you were directing your comment to someone else. As I am not an actual engineer, I suggest directing that comment to an actual engineer, perhaps with a little less snark.

  • @Visionery1
    @Visionery16 жыл бұрын

    This is basically an 8-cyl lawnmower engine.

  • @nah6430

    @nah6430

    5 жыл бұрын

    Visionery1 no nono a lawn mower does not have 60 horsepower lol

  • @jimmyers8114

    @jimmyers8114

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@nah6430 it does if it has 8 cylinders.

  • @932stretch
    @932stretch5 жыл бұрын

    Enjoy your videos. Although Buick didn't use the flat-head design, they did use a rather restrictive air flow head as well in the famous Nailhead. Would enjoy your synopsis of this engine and how it worked relatively well and how Buick successfully, for the most part, overcame its restrictions. In particular: the spark plug was located directly over the piston almost in a hemispherical configuration. Sound sort of familiar? I have several. Wonderful engines designed with tons of torque at low RPM to move lots of Detroit metal at the time. And at that, they excelled.

  • @JamesNickersonThePhotoShopGuru
    @JamesNickersonThePhotoShopGuru3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, very well explained and a pleasure to view 👍🏻👍🏻🙏🏻

  • @ChrisQuadHD
    @ChrisQuadHD6 жыл бұрын

    Awesome videos! Most informative channel on KZread!

  • @Casey_Schmidt
    @Casey_Schmidt6 жыл бұрын

    Finally a flat head video! I’ve been waiting for this for a long time!

  • @craigewing3054
    @craigewing30544 жыл бұрын

    The through-block exhaust passages must be interesting

  • @jasonligo895
    @jasonligo8953 жыл бұрын

    Great video. The valve shrouding was definitely a major hindrance in performance. Flat heads, or at least a variant, of were produced until about 1990 in the Simca Unic Marmon Bocquet (French) military truck, under license by Ford Motor Co.

  • @unstablebobgable
    @unstablebobgable5 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating video. I'd like to build a traditional flat head powered hot rod some day.

  • @PeopleAlreadyDidThis
    @PeopleAlreadyDidThis6 жыл бұрын

    Lots of comments about the shortcomings of the Ford flathead. I recall seeing a documentary about its development that stressed its design as a means to build a V-8 of low enough cost to mass produce for ordinary cars that ordinary people could afford. V-8s (and 12s) had been boutique engines, very expensive, with separate cylinder blocks. The challenge of this block casting was almost insurmountable, and there were severe problems in early production engines, but they eventually worked things out.

  • @Stuve715

    @Stuve715

    6 жыл бұрын

    In 1932, the new Ford V8 cost $10 more than the 4 cylinder model B (equivalent to around $182 today). That is incredible. Imagine something like that today!

  • @alribee

    @alribee

    6 жыл бұрын

    Did Ford warranty all those blocks that failed early? I bet they didn't. Tough luck, buddy. buy a Chevy next time.

  • @alribee

    @alribee

    6 жыл бұрын

    I never understood why Ford didn't design it like a Caddie flathead V8. With exhaust right next to the intake. Maybe a little different to work with, but would have limited the overheating problems.

  • @richardmann5049

    @richardmann5049

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Ford did warranty those engines. Because of the engine production problems of the early V8's, Ford modified the Model A engine, which become the "Model B" engine, to keep the new 1932's moving out the door. The 4 cylinder Model B engines remained in production into the late 40's.

  • @shotforshot5983

    @shotforshot5983

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@alribee Chevrolet had a v8 that saw limited production well before Ford's. They were overhead valve engines, but they were horrible. Most were yanked out and thrown away. Chevy didn't market another v8 until 55.

  • @hkk3656
    @hkk36564 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation. Thanks!

  • @McCuneWindandSolar
    @McCuneWindandSolar5 жыл бұрын

    then Briggs and striation took over, LOL looks like lawmow motor when you take the head off. my old ford tractor is a flat head strait 4.

  • @liljohnp132

    @liljohnp132

    5 жыл бұрын

    V8 Briggs+Stratton= Badass Lawnmower

  • @Boris_1421

    @Boris_1421

    5 жыл бұрын

    Liljohn P lol

  • @JH-tk6ge

    @JH-tk6ge

    4 жыл бұрын

    haha, you're right

  • @onetonf350

    @onetonf350

    4 жыл бұрын

    When people see my 53 flathead i tell them that it’s like 8 Briggs lawnmowers hooked together except not as powerful. Unfortunate but true.

  • @herbbowler2461

    @herbbowler2461

    4 жыл бұрын

    Both Chrysler and GM made flatheads. They were in line 6 cylinders. The last ones in 1953.

  • @christopherallen1138
    @christopherallen11386 жыл бұрын

    Cylinder walls are T H I C C

  • @EvilMcSheep

    @EvilMcSheep

    6 жыл бұрын

    Leave

  • @jameswade2002

    @jameswade2002

    6 жыл бұрын

    I've read that a Cadillac 346" flathead weighed 900lbs.

  • @jonnyrox116

    @jonnyrox116

    6 жыл бұрын

    There are water jackets all through the casting

  • @brentboswell1294

    @brentboswell1294

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ford's casting process on these engines was atrocious by modern standards. There were often hidden voids in the block. Hot rodders often found out about these voids by blowing up engine blocks. Nowadays, if you're building a flattie it's wise to x-ray the block and make sure that there's no hidden voids in the block.

  • @alexhickey5633

    @alexhickey5633

    6 жыл бұрын

    Its a liquid cooled engine so the cylinder walls appear to be thick af. Granted these engines did have thicker walls than is considered normal by todays standard

  • @jamescutler8055
    @jamescutler80556 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the absolutely coolest looking motors for hot rodding. My father has built these with 300+ HP NA and over 500 with a blower (Offenhauser). Their sound is tremendous. If style matters these have that in spades.

  • @cmcolfax1

    @cmcolfax1

    6 жыл бұрын

    James Cutler how would you build one to those numbers? No, I'm not trying to do it, I'm just fascinated by the how?

  • @GRIMEYtheFATMAN

    @GRIMEYtheFATMAN

    6 жыл бұрын

    Same here...

  • @radracer2033

    @radracer2033

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to be beating new cars with a 90 year old flathead

  • @WhoThisGuy515

    @WhoThisGuy515

    6 жыл бұрын

    Charles Colfax easy, with a lot of money. I believe the guy that holds the record for the fastest flathead powered car at the Salt Flats is making 800hp from his Flattie. However it's very uncommon (maybe the only one) for one to ever make that much.

  • @importsstillsuck

    @importsstillsuck

    6 жыл бұрын

    Runs on nitromethane

  • @TJzzl86
    @TJzzl865 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video. Never knew how this engine was designed.

  • @sfcretired1166
    @sfcretired11665 жыл бұрын

    Funny that some of the old hotrodders could coax a helluva lot of horses out of those flathead engines. I believe the max was 400 hp with aftermarket Ardun heads.

  • @mfree80286

    @mfree80286

    5 жыл бұрын

    "aftermarket Ardun heads"... you mean the Ardun OHV conversion heads?

  • @Jack29151

    @Jack29151

    3 жыл бұрын

    400HP max? people have put blowers on those and got alot more...the limit is how much money you got to sink into it. literally the sole reason Ford canned those was uncorrectable overheating issues. if built right, a Ford flathead is a tire frying screamer to beat all. Hot rodders love those because they're so easy to work on.

  • @johnbroughton3401
    @johnbroughton34016 жыл бұрын

    Looking at the timeline, the lower compression engines were fine because high octane gas was not available at the pump until after the Korean war. (Buick had a great OHV engine in 1949 but the compression ratio was abysmal) With the addition of tetra ethyl lead (Used in AV Gas) higher compression engines became practical.

  • @insulman100

    @insulman100

    5 жыл бұрын

    TEL has been used since the 1920s the real change to "motor" gasoline was in 1939 with catalytic cracking this process produced a high octane base stock gasoline that needed no additives to achieve 80 octane although TEL was still added for boosting octane its primary use was a upper cylinder lubricant mostly for the exhaust valves and seats

  • @janlabij7302

    @janlabij7302

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@insulman100 Yes TEL has been available since the late 1920's. Everybody called it "Ethyl Gas", and it cost considerably more than regular. People who bought Fords, Chevrolets, and Plymouths normally didn't buy more expensive gas.

  • @insulman100

    @insulman100

    5 жыл бұрын

    jan labij Although I agree with what you say I don't know what it has to do with my reply to John. The point of my first reply is TEL was not the reason the US auto industry started moving to ohv engines with higher compression ratios it was the change in refining to catalytic cracking not only does this method produce a much higher octane rating than distillation it's also very consistent and to top it of it's a much more efficient way of producing gasoline

  • @N3PRO-Dave
    @N3PRO-Dave6 жыл бұрын

    Loving the 3D printed examples. Great to visualize. Not sure the cost but awesome addition.

  • @bigfoottoo2841
    @bigfoottoo28415 жыл бұрын

    I was born on January 30th, 1953, and I havent looked like this guy for about 40 years now. Back then I was a disco king.

  • @timothyearly7727
    @timothyearly77275 жыл бұрын

    I had a 53 Ford when in High School. Mine had 3 on the tree with overdrive. Great, nice car. Sounded great!

  • @MatthewBerginGarage
    @MatthewBerginGarage6 жыл бұрын

    The Ford Flathead V8 is not the most performance oriented engine but it makes the sweetest sound. Nothing beats the sound of a cammed flathead V8 idling.

  • @franksmith3437

    @franksmith3437

    5 жыл бұрын

    A friend of mine built a dragster with a flathead engine. He even fabrocated a intake manifold for flathead motor to except a blower. It was "BADASS" . He was out running the up to date small block drag cars. He pushed everything for the max horse power. Only problem was if anything went wrong or blew motor , he had to have a whole new engine to play with....lol

  • @MatthewBerginGarage

    @MatthewBerginGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    @SHICOFF1 I am working on a 53 Customline myself. Great cars.👍😎

  • @finngurgens3264
    @finngurgens32646 жыл бұрын

    Cool, would people wanna see a similar episode on the *VW air -cooled engine* ???

  • @saucyvinnie3812

    @saucyvinnie3812

    5 жыл бұрын

    Honestly one of the only engines as profoundly impactful as the flathead or SBC! Those little flat-4's opened up a world of performance. Look at the VW's great great grandson, the Porsche GT2 RS, less than 4 liters and over 700 horsepower!

  • @saucyvinnie3812

    @saucyvinnie3812

    5 жыл бұрын

    I wish Porsche would defy all laws and logic and make another aircooled flat 6 or flat 4.

  • @RedfishCarolina

    @RedfishCarolina

    5 жыл бұрын

    Not really

  • @saxongreen78
    @saxongreen784 жыл бұрын

    Very well explained - thanks! (As a coda to the flathead story - Ford built a factory in France and had tooled up to produce the flathead for an unsuccessful large car called Vedette. SIMCA then bought the ailing works in around 1955 and later released the follow up model Vedette with the same Ford V8...it went out of production around 1961. Also, British Ford trucks may have kept the flatty until the 1960s, too.)

  • @nudibanches
    @nudibanches5 жыл бұрын

    7:20 those pistons look like onions :)

  • @glenfenderman

    @glenfenderman

    4 жыл бұрын

    nudibanches You got that right! Just like the ones I put in my chili recipes, lol

  • @situationmoney
    @situationmoney6 жыл бұрын

    AMC was still using a flathead six cylinder engine in some of its models till around 1964...

  • @bwtv147

    @bwtv147

    5 жыл бұрын

    They outstalled Chrysler. Mopar was still selling flathead 6's in 1958.

  • @Greatdome99

    @Greatdome99

    5 жыл бұрын

    I learned to drive a '53 Plymouth with a flathead six/"three on tree." I was born in 1947 (before Truman was elected). I swear--and I look it.

  • @LarryReynolds591
    @LarryReynolds5916 жыл бұрын

    LOL! Born in 1953. Love it.

  • @yolbulucu

    @yolbulucu

    6 жыл бұрын

    is he ok now ?

  • @m7machines738

    @m7machines738

    6 жыл бұрын

    Glad he’s ok now lol

  • @jonathankeith524
    @jonathankeith5244 жыл бұрын

    He’s 65, guys. He shook Tom Cruise’s hand once. (The secret to eternal youth.)

  • @Ammani-Yat
    @Ammani-Yat4 жыл бұрын

    very nice explanation , well done

  • @partymanau
    @partymanau5 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful, simple and magic sounding engine.

  • @roadmaster720
    @roadmaster7206 жыл бұрын

    engineering explained ++++ good video on the ford flathead. the flathead died 1 year before i was born in 1955. i remember the old fords that had those flatheads. i have always been interested in the ford flathead. your video is factual and great.

  • @johnmoser2689
    @johnmoser26894 жыл бұрын

    Another great one Jason

  • @NeverforgetElvis
    @NeverforgetElvis5 жыл бұрын

    What I'd give for a flat head 8 in my '25 Model T. As it is the flat 4 cranks out a neck snapping 24 hp. But the guy is correct about the low end torque being better in flatheads. So from zero to 10mph it is snappy, but from 10 to 40 is something altogether different and measured on a calendar not a clock. Top speed is 45ish, but I've only done that once and it's not comfortable.

  • @AllenBruceRay

    @AllenBruceRay

    4 жыл бұрын

    It was often stated that the Ford Model T was "the fastest car on Earth for the first three feet." Low-end torque, indeed!

  • @rolandotillit2867
    @rolandotillit28676 жыл бұрын

    the 2 valves and piston looks very surprised

  • @jacobenglish5940

    @jacobenglish5940

    6 жыл бұрын

    Rolando Tillit :O

  • @jasonmurawski126

    @jasonmurawski126

    6 жыл бұрын

    R/surprised_objects

  • @rafee9442

    @rafee9442

    6 жыл бұрын

    r/surprised_objects

  • @aceroadholder2185
    @aceroadholder21856 жыл бұрын

    Compression ratios back in the day were so low because the gasoline octane was in the 60's...and that was on a good day. Indy race engines in the 30's were making nearly 100bhp/liter on methanol.

  • @alexanderkasady6839

    @alexanderkasady6839

    5 жыл бұрын

    Aceroadholder- That's true, but only tells part of the story. The part not mentioned here is the space between the valves and the combustion chamber roof above them. That's 'dead space', power-wise, as combustion taking place here shoves both ways: against the valve crowns and against the chamber roof, totally wasting energy and creating stresses where they don't need to be. In an OHV engine, combustion forces ALL act against the piston crown, being trapped by the chamber roof in the head. This allows an OHV engine to be much more efficient at harnessing combustion energy and making horsepower.

  • @stevemiller7433
    @stevemiller74333 жыл бұрын

    wonderful model and explanation.

  • @smalldog221
    @smalldog221 Жыл бұрын

    good presentation.. the only thing I would like to see added is the routing of the intake and exhaust..its very strange to imagine tubes cast in the block a cutaway of this engine would be cool

  • @alexanderkasady6839
    @alexanderkasady68395 жыл бұрын

    You missed a major point- heat. Or rather the retention thereof. You see, the exhaust ports are long, real long, and they're in the cast iron block, leading to a real 'heat transfer' problem. The exhaust gas would transfer its heat to the cast iron exhaust runners faster than the cooling water in the block could carry it away, leading to the engine overheating, especially under high rpm or high load conditions (think 'racing') or a long up-hill grade in a truck application on a hot summer day and hauling a heavy load. Heck, even the family sedan would have to pull over and be allowed to cool while climbing a mountain road. An overhead valve engine's exhaust runners are in the heads and are a lot shorter, so the heat transfer and heat capture problem were largely solved. However, the 'flat head' engine's design had its' good points, such as being a very compact design relative to power output, and you were right, cheap to make. It put a lot of torque in the cars of a lot of working class drivers, but you forgot to mention why Ford's engineers felt compelled to build it in the first place- the success of Chevrolet's six-cylinder engine while Ford was only offering fours. The horsepower race really started in the 1920's.

  • @robertbusack2100

    @robertbusack2100

    5 жыл бұрын

    Amen brother Home run!!!

  • @audvidgeek

    @audvidgeek

    5 жыл бұрын

    I've always wondered if there was anybody that "reversed" these flathead engines...IE had the intake on the OUTSIDE of the cylinder bank V (where the exhaust currently is) and have the exhaust on the inside of the "V" This would shorten the exhaust runner, so it's not going through the water jacket, and also could move the intake to the outside. The water jacket could give some heat to the engine for mixing in cool weather (like a thermac on an OHV air cleaner)

  • @thomasbailey9605

    @thomasbailey9605

    5 жыл бұрын

    he's just repeating what the text book told him.

  • @psk1w1

    @psk1w1

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@audvidgeek A hot-V sounds like a really good idea to try. The valves were all the same size. A lovely bunch of bananas exhaust manifold could be made. I think it would need two downdraft carburettors

  • @janlabij7302

    @janlabij7302

    5 жыл бұрын

    A fascinating explanation, only problem is most of it is not true. I've had three of them, two in cars and one in a pickup. All three of them were the 239 cu inch V-8. None of them overheated on me, and that included on route 66 across the Mojave Desert in the summertime, 95-100f heat. The vapor lock problem was because the fuel pump was originally mounted on top of the intake manifold. 1949 and later engines had the fuel pump located in the lower right hand side of the crankcase, which stopped the vapor lock problem. On the earlier engines people used to carry a bottle of water to pour over the fuel pump if they had a vapor lock problem. Until 1950 the gas available was not high enough octane to permit high compression ratios.

  • @twistedyogert
    @twistedyogert5 жыл бұрын

    One thing you didn't mention was that cooling the engine was also difficult because the hot exhaust gases would have to pass through the block before exiting through the exhaust manifold. Apparently they were notorious for cracking blocks if the cooling system was overtaxed.

  • @penguinsscareme

    @penguinsscareme

    5 жыл бұрын

    Plus the middle two cylinders sharing an exhaust port made it very, very hot.

  • @mrthunderbird5
    @mrthunderbird54 жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏 for that very interesting lesson . 👏 👍

  • @NDC1115
    @NDC11154 жыл бұрын

    George Kudasch made great strides in the Flathead performance area with his fabled Ardun OHV conversion heads.

  • @chrisstika8658
    @chrisstika86585 жыл бұрын

    “They didn’t even have computers “ . 😂😂 It’s a wonder we could build anything .

  • @allwinds3786

    @allwinds3786

    4 жыл бұрын

    Henry was very secretive about the design and development of the V8. He sequestered the engineers in Edison's Lab he had moved to Dearborn a few years earlier.

  • @RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts

    @RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts

    4 жыл бұрын

    You actually had to be good at your job. There was no room for quota hires

  • @frankeggers4024

    @frankeggers4024

    4 жыл бұрын

    They used slide rules in those days. I still have one and know how to use it.

  • @C_71

    @C_71

    3 жыл бұрын

    The car didn't have computers!🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @sre331l

    @sre331l

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@frankeggers4024 I bet you couldn’t explain napierian logs to a snowflake.

  • @ColCurtis
    @ColCurtis6 жыл бұрын

    The engine has many more issues, including having only 3 main bearings, poor cylinder cooling due to exhaust porting around the cylinder, and lack of full flow oil filter.

  • @olliehopnoodle4628

    @olliehopnoodle4628

    6 жыл бұрын

    The first thing I thought when I saw how the exhaust was routed around the pistons. Must have been a bear to keep cool.

  • @pmvaldez1

    @pmvaldez1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ollie Hopnoodle overheating was a big issue with the flat head.

  • @olliehopnoodle4628

    @olliehopnoodle4628

    6 жыл бұрын

    Now that I see how they were set up I can understand why! You have to love the original hot rodders who did what they could with these old engines. They helped create the American car culture.

  • @ellieprice3396

    @ellieprice3396

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ford V 8 flat-heads had two water pumps, two upper hoses , two lower hoses, 22 quart radiators and still ran hot. The center exhausts ports were routed through the water jackets in the heads, preheating the coolant even at idle. They were bears to cool but very good reliable engines in their day. Racers often removed every other vane in the water pumps to slow down water flow for better cooling.

  • @tacomas9602

    @tacomas9602

    6 жыл бұрын

    Harry Buttwhisker this thing became in the first half of the 20th century. I think it did EXCELLENT. all these little quirks are easily modified.

  • @davekolb7622
    @davekolb76223 жыл бұрын

    Are you going to go into industry, or are you hoping to teach? You are a great teacher. I've watched all kinds of your videos and each time think that you'd be a great teacher in an automotive program.

  • @wirksworthsrailway
    @wirksworthsrailway4 жыл бұрын

    I am just blown-away by that wonderful 3D-printed model. Bravo!

  • @haraldschurr1035

    @haraldschurr1035

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's quite a terrible print - just look at all those half-peeled layers on the inside.

  • @lQuadXl
    @lQuadXl6 жыл бұрын

    Wow, didn't know they had *plastic flathead v8s in the 1930's*

  • @robertbusack2100

    @robertbusack2100

    5 жыл бұрын

    HHHAAHHAA lol

  • @nuvey7939
    @nuvey79396 жыл бұрын

    Love that engine, and it’s one of the best sounding engines ever. But it did perform exactly like a 30s engine would.

  • @edwardregemann9410
    @edwardregemann94104 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation! Thank you.

  • @Kevlar67476
    @Kevlar674762 жыл бұрын

    Got to love the exhaust ports through the block

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