But lets be honest, Bayern Munich has the best farm clubs, which is known as the rest of the bundesliga.

@soubhikdutta9642

2 жыл бұрын

Ofcourse and those farm teams defeat man utd. ..

@vaayman7770

2 жыл бұрын

Bayern have the best academy on this planet. 😏

@alohatigers1199

2 жыл бұрын

@@soubhikdutta9642 At least man utd have won a league trophy, when is the last time a farm team won a league trophy?

@soubhikdutta9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@alohatigers1199 as early as 2011... probably the same time as SAF retired ...and man utd hardly got out of QF of champions league ..while BVB played semis finals and stuff ..like that .....man utd after SAF is just a money grabbing europa league prem team ...

@soubhikdutta9642

2 жыл бұрын

@@alohatigers1199 also don't forget how mamny Bundesliga cherished Managers are there in prem ..who are winning stuff...prem while man utd has a PE teacher 😜

Seems like Chelsea's model of having 10 clubs worth of players on loan is also working.

@Holidayinspain76

2 жыл бұрын

I think the loan system is a much bigger problem for football than farm systems are. It just doesn't create value for lower league teams and incentivizes buying as many young players as you can

@alohatigers1199

2 жыл бұрын

@@Holidayinspain76 THANK YOU. Finally someone understands

@Breeze954

2 жыл бұрын

Some leagues have a limit to the number of loaned out players above the age of 22, lower that limit to 18 and job done.

@frankreynolds9930

2 жыл бұрын

@@Holidayinspain76 How is it a problem? How do you deal with all the talented youngster in the teams. You think Chelsea has loan problems, look at many Italian teams with loans.

@frdjse

2 жыл бұрын

It really works, plus it makes them money, Chelsea's loan army is the best in the world

Red Bull also has an academy in West Africa, Ghana called WAFA ( West African Football Academy).. They send most of the top talents there to RB Salzburg and Fc lieferin...

@Apfelstrudl

2 жыл бұрын

Salzburg doing very good scouting in Africa indeed.

@Youtubesucks12

2 жыл бұрын

@@Apfelstrudl they want black people because we are fast 🤣🤣

@syahmisyahiranahmadridzuan1331

2 жыл бұрын

@@KZreadsucks12 Nigerian won the most World Cup U17 championship (5 times) followed by Brazil (4 times), Ghana & Mexico (both 2 times). It makes sense where many best young talents concentrated at. West African has the raw talent pools, they got the European access. It's different than World Cup U20 where certain players already experienced top European or South American leagues and helping their countries to reach highest stage.

@slickboxingidentityveritas1932

2 жыл бұрын

@@KZreadsucks12 No they want black people because of an agenda. Speed doesn't equate talent in soccer, it encompasses so much. They could spend that money developing players anywhere in the world, but Africa always gets all these money and scouts thrown at them.

@mosijahi3096

2 жыл бұрын

@@slickboxingidentityveritas1932 good for the continent of Africa , the same thing is happening in basketball. The NBA is looking at the talent in west Africa.

Honestly, if there are going to be clubs owned by billionaires or very rich people or corporations i'd much rather have the red bull type teams over psg or man city. These clubs actually add value to the game and provide so much more people with opportunities, not to mention their success is due to merit and having a good system, unlike psg and man city who just flood the market with cash and damage the already inflated transfer market.

@WamalaNastasic

2 жыл бұрын

How has city inflated the market?

@spyros219

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the Red Bull clubs are "artificial" , "plastic" clubs with no history and no real fans.They don't have an identity and they just exist to make Red Bull money.Atleast City and Paris already had some history.

@Apfelstrudl

2 жыл бұрын

@@spyros219 no Fans is a myth, at least Salzburg already had the second highest attendance in Austria pre Covid.

@richard35791

2 жыл бұрын

@@WamalaNastasic 50m for stones, 50m for walker, 60m for mendy, back then rarely defender valued above 40m

@richard35791

2 жыл бұрын

@blitz krieg man city have inflated it, though not overall, at least in premier league, nowadays 50m for young centre back is standard

Fun to mention RB Bragantino is doing really well in brazilian top tier league this year. It’s only their second season since getting promoted and I can see them challenging for a copa Libertadores spot at the end of the season. Some real talents on that team. It’s just a matter of time before they’re transferred to other RB side.

@Apfelstrudl

2 жыл бұрын

Funnily Salzburg's latest very good addition Cataldo is from Boca Juniors.

@vincesalamander5980

2 жыл бұрын

It's also fun to mention that in Brazil they refuse to talk about Red Bull The team is called "Bragantino" by everyone

@leandroporto6513

2 жыл бұрын

@@vincesalamander5980 yeah, because the club didmt change its name, just put Red Bull before it. It was a very known club, even were runners up in the league durinh the 90's (or was it 80's?)

@GDNashit

2 жыл бұрын

They're also on the Sudamericana final Fuck you Red Bull, I hate your farm so much ill cheer for the team that eliminated us to beat your ass! Go Paranaense!

@moustxche

2 жыл бұрын

@@GDNashit Paranaense is another pile of garbage, once you learn about it, just forget that cup exists...

Though it is an asshole strategy, you have to admit, its a brilliant one

@slurpii4669

2 жыл бұрын

It would be a helpful strategy if these corporations helped the small teams to grow instead of taking their best talents to Europe

@Hafris33

2 жыл бұрын

I agreed to that. Like RB empire project its hardly to see they win some cups but their financial stability is a good one. They produce young talent with every club they had and can sell them with higher price to other famous clubs and gain a profit. No wonder they invest so much for academy and training facility for their clubs. Player transfer is a good business for them.

@spreadthelove77

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliantly put👌🏼

@aurelian2668

2 жыл бұрын

@@slurpii4669 Indeed if it was made to grow football teams to create more competition it would have been nice.

@sagafabubakar6286

2 жыл бұрын

@@slurpii4669 thanks to these corporation, i see messi, cr7 play football

such a massive network and red bull gave haaland to dortmund for pennies :D

@evilestmanlp

2 жыл бұрын

He has Raiola. He got generously rewarded for that by Dortmund.

@Nash9r

2 жыл бұрын

He had a contract. Also, they know they have to let players go, so everyone wants to join them.

@youssefmalak4504

2 жыл бұрын

Release clause

@fpupesh

2 жыл бұрын

@@youssefmalak4504 rb leipzig could have paid it as well, it was 20 mil...

@youssefmalak4504

2 жыл бұрын

@@fpupesh yeah because they were guaranteed that haaland was this good

It's valid to mention, that in the Red Bull case, they have a really advanced system for tactics. Bragantino for a example, ever since the acquisition, plays against way stronger teams toe to toe because of philosofy that came from abroad. Which has shown and enriched the Brazilian approach to how to build a team and its tactics. Saying that footbal as we love is going to die is just a childish nostalgia when compared to the amount of opportunity players from poorer countries get. Yet, indeed, money flows mostly in one direction but knowledge flows in both directions. And seeing new teams thriving on leagues that were closed for upcoming projects, is a breath of fresh air and excitement.

Honestly I feel city football group has done a lot for india and mumbai in just one year they have scouted the best talents form mumbai and india and they play with top players from around the world and also showcase there talent in the national team. And also have increased the popularity of the sport in mumbai as I am a local from mumbai I see them growing football in a cricket dominated city.

@vladimirputout2461

2 жыл бұрын

Never heard of a really good indian football player. Do they exist?

@asr.10rohal82

2 жыл бұрын

@@vladimirputout2461 there are a few like sunil chetri not as many as we would like but a few do exist

@idkwtdrn

2 жыл бұрын

@@vladimirputout2461 Indian football was shite before. Now it's less shite. So, it's a progress, and may be would have a good player in future from 1 billion people.

@no1nova226

2 жыл бұрын

@@mazdakmina9493 if the local talent was good enough they'd be sent up. The fact that they are not means they weren't good enough in the first place. That's what will make the next generation better, the standard is now set now the local youth knows how good they have to be to make it at the top level. They have a clear path: be the best at your current level and you'll surely be moved up to where your talent permits you.

lol, he managed to convince me that Farm Teams are preety good, they develop talent that otherwise might not have been and increases the quality of players available to big European teams (and hence that fans can enjoy watching) while also bringing money and better players to smaller clubs and leagues. His anti-farm team argument just boils down to 'Things used to be different and I dont want change!' The only problem is that the big clubs are often owned by totalitarian regimes or oligarchs, that's where the issue is.

@toraxenos4611

2 жыл бұрын

exactly. he sidestepped the actual issue and attacked something that is 100% beneficial for everyone involved. the actual problem is fifa's corruption that's allowing dictators to take over clubs and using them as a marketing campaign for their horrible countries.

@Apfelstrudl

2 жыл бұрын

The talent that Salzburg produced alone is astonishing.

@SourabhKumark088

2 жыл бұрын

Yes he is saying farm teams are destroying football but his argument gives more pros than cons .

@fp-ko7vg

2 жыл бұрын

why is that a problem?

@Aaryan.S

2 жыл бұрын

You didn't got the message through. He never attacked anyone nor he questioned them. He questioned you, me and himself. He brought up points of both point of view to make us decide and keep a side. he gave his main point of 'why' this is bad too. He convinced me enough to be honest. And if you watched the video his argument actually boils down to ' it will destroy football, and the owners will get profit'. And funny how I am a mumbai city fc fan.

The farm team system in the US works because those teams will forever be consigned to their respective tier as there is no promotion/relegation. Their fans get a kick out of watching the new talent "before they hit the big times" knowing full well that the players are there in transition only. However (in football/soccer), if I have my main team in PSL and my tier 2 team in Finland's 1st Division (to guarantee my new talent to get play time in a 1st Division environment) and that team is then relegated to Finland's 2nd Div, the experiment busts. Makes sense that the big clubs are looking at the US' MLS as it provides stability for the farm level it would be for that big main club.

@Eibarwoman

2 жыл бұрын

It works with the Basque clubs as barring for Eibar, most of them have peaked at the Segunda Division other than the cantera wielding clubs. Even Eibar has a cantera although fairly ineffective.

@ghostsakai4442

2 жыл бұрын

There is no soccer only football.the other american thing called handegg

@rebecca4680

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghostsakai4442 . Search up the history of football. Stop spreading ignorant falsehoods. Soccer was an early nickname for association football invented by the English, and "handegg" came from rugby FOOTBALL which also uses hands and an egg shaped ball.

@cristhianramirez6939

2 жыл бұрын

@@rebecca4680 We are in 2022, call it football because that's what it is.

@jackm0429

Жыл бұрын

@@cristhianramirez6939 we are in 2022, quit crying over a name

What is killing football is Media package hijacking , that keeps fans poor from ,paying multiple companies just to follow one team. Farm clubs feeds down into grass roots . With more tiers of competition , clubs need larger squads to compete , UEFA and FA's have only made this worse, not only is it up to Governments to regulate , like Bundesliga fan ownership of shares and wage structure have been destroyed by financial abuse to where the money goes. That is the main problem with corporations and billionaire ownership's who do it for the profit. As US franchise does.

@alohatigers1199

2 жыл бұрын

What you people failed to realize is that this whole “more tiers of competition” IS NOT FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE. You really think that fans owning the clubs can financially save the club, you are dead wrong. In fact, your country’s economy is going downhill if you publicly fund these clubs. The only thing that is going to finally save your club is rich owners whether you like it or not. The US franchise, with the likes of NBA team, nfl teams and MLB teams and MLS teams and NHL teams are more financially stable, compare to the likes of English teams in the lower divisions, they are desperate for funding.

The difference with RB is though that they actually do their job so good (is you just consider the football quality) that their farm club can even outperform their main clubs - like last year where RB Salzburg came further in the Champions League than RB Leipzig

I hope corporation don't turn our beautiful jerseys into NASCAR outfits

@superninja252

2 жыл бұрын

If anything world cup teams don't have it

@wilsonb1121

2 жыл бұрын

The lower level clubs look worse with 50 small sponsors all over them.

I think it is actually a good idea especially for players here in Africa where we have very few opportunities.. If these clubs can scout all over the world noth wrong there

@denissinei1480

2 жыл бұрын

Red bull should open an academy in Kenya 🙏🙏

@LilKenuthia

2 жыл бұрын

@@denissinei1480 I agree with you, Kenya has an unbelievable amount of unseen talent... School football in Kenya is almost professional academy level sometimes

@wazzosports

2 жыл бұрын

Good opportunity for the players but not for the leagues and clubs. ..Talented players leaving so early means the league will never grow, clubs being controlled by european teams mean they won't get the actual worth of the players..

@denissinei1480

2 жыл бұрын

@@wazzosports that's actually better for the players our leagues have nothing to offer at all

@Taeerom

2 жыл бұрын

@@denissinei1480 But why shouldn't this change? There are real possibilities of developing good African leagues. Morocco, South Africa and Egypt already have good leagues, why shouldn't Kenya, Nigeria, or any other country? If your solution is just more domination from Europeans, you will never be able to develop your own domestic football.

Red bull going into africa is great for african kids they have a clear opportunity to show their ability and wont be played by stupid agents who are frauds. And their is so much talent in sfrixa so expect the natl teams to become way better

"Destroying football" is a huge exaggeration. His explanation just gives it all, this system have more pros than cons. For the players, for the clubs, and even for fans too. Seeing a local player from my city compete in a huge league like PL is cool, especially if my city has very little, if none at all, star players. What's more if they could bring the national team to be competitive enough in international cups.

@Storiaron

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah more like benefiting a ton of people. Red Bull especially has allowed a lot of people to pursue their dreams who would otherwise never have found funding. In f1 it's especially visible. By the time ferrari gave a chance to a single driver to come into f1 red bull has already given that chance to like, 4.

@no1nova226

2 жыл бұрын

@@mazdakmina9493 the system is not formed so that local players stay at that team forever. It is formed so that the best local talent can move to greater heights, by bringing competition. If the local player are as good as the competition that is brought to them they will either move to where the competition is coming from, meaning they're too good for that level. If they're not as good they'll be moved on because they aren't good enough for the team. What good is having a team full of bang average or trash players just because you want to promote local players.

@user-jd5zt4of8q

Жыл бұрын

@@mazdakmina9493 very simple mate - this idea was started recently... It takes many many years to truly develop top talent

@user-jd5zt4of8q

Жыл бұрын

@@mazdakmina9493 simple - these clubs will usually go bankrupt due to mismanagement... Remember that a farm team that cares about itself and is in a decent organization will usually be able to have some sort of negotiating power You can see many clubs go bankrupt without this also And regarding the local team products, when do you ever see players born in the same town in any top football club today? You have to look at this from a country-wide perspective instead of a local town perspective

As an indian farm clubs are what making Indian talents achieve success

@abheekdasgupta7079

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Red Bull may take over the FC Goa team, and I feel more European clubs would like to have an Indian arm. It's not profitable to run an Indian club alone

@ratedpending

2 жыл бұрын

Same thing for Americans I really want to hate the farm club system, but it's hard when a not insignificant amount of the success of American players can be attributed to Red Bull and CFG.

@abheekdasgupta7079

2 жыл бұрын

@@ratedpending same problem in the US. Given that it's not possible for clubs in our countries to be the best in the world, as the UCL and UCL money is limited to Europeans only, being farm clubs of those that can play in the UCL works

@thehorde4868

2 жыл бұрын

@@ratedpending true

@o_o3439

2 жыл бұрын

💣

Wow. I always thought that Farm clubs has more pros than cons, due to the fact the younger players are given a chance, but I guess I stand corrected.

@shubhamsinghstar123

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, he’s just overshadowing the pros by the small amount of cons to make his point. It’s just bad research from his part. The title as well to a certain extent.

You made it sound that farm teams started in US sports, but farm teams exist since the beginning. It's nothing new. Atlético Madrid was founded by Athletic Club (also known as Athletic Bilbao). Portuguese teams started farmer team through the country and also in Africa, for example Eusebio (Portuguese legend and bolon dor winner) was born in Mozambique and played for Sporting Lourenço Marques a sporting cp farm club and then went to benfica because of some disagreements. It's nothing new, but is for sure a bad thing.

@Eibarwoman

2 жыл бұрын

Athletic Club's cantera is also 12-20 farm teams in Spain providing youth camps and the best end up going to Basconia and Bilbao Athletic. The idea is develop as many Basque players by giving them playing time and the playing time will reveal the talent. As Basque Country has many lower table clubs, this means more canteras that spit out Basque talents more often with each affiliate running Athletic Club affiliated youth teams.

At the start of this video, I thought, what was the problem with this? Clubs in smaller countries get support and bigger teams that can provide economic chances get players. I think the problem is aggregating most of a country's top talents in a few academies which I do think causes a crowding out effect. There's also the problem of talent being almost bounded by the parent club and that creates barriers to scouting I think. I'm a Manchester United fan and I wondered why can't our scouts find someone unknown talent anymore like Javier Hernandez who we found just before he blew up at the world cup. So in a way it's like cornering off parts of the talent market.

@thebluescaptain

2 жыл бұрын

United is the most popular club in the world and their academies are everywhere already. By "everywhere", I mean partner clubs all over the world. They don't need to buy other club because everyone would wanna fly to Carrington right away. I'm a Chelsea fan and we have similar practices. We don't have "subsidiary clubs", but we have good relations with Vitesse and AC Milan to name a few. Domestically, we have good relation with Derby, Aston Villa, or Arsenal (surprisingly). When you loan players and sell your players to some clubs you "favored", that literally means partnership going on. Chelsea is starting its campaign on Bundesliga teams, but it's still a tough thing to do. But again, United is far more historical and legendary than Chelsea, but Chelsea kinda "lucked out" as we turned into powerhouse before the massive digitalization of media. Before Roman bought it and brought Mourinho and other players, we already won European trophies and participated in UCL for several times. Roman only "made sure" that we're consistently at the top 4. With that being said, Chelsea got away from memetic "LMFAO plastic", "lol, no history", "Oil Money", etc. The insults were there at the beginning, but City came and took away our "burdens" lol. All in all, United and Chelsea don't need to buy other clubs, because we already have brandings all over the world. In South East Asia Chelsea already made bigger fanbase than Arsenal. City have money yes, but some players find both money and prestige. That's why, once they snatched the talent, they risked it by giving massive salaries so players would stay loyal. Aguero, David Silva, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Thiago Silva, all stayed on Oil Money clubs because not many clubs come to bring some offer. Clubs like Real, Bayern, Chelsea know how not to turn themselves into today's Barcelona.

Rich guy: "I have money. Here's a good idea of what to do with it in football." Poor guy: "Hey, that's unfair."

@omaralkayal7598

2 жыл бұрын

Football fans try to fight and resist change all the time yet they well always complain about how their club or owners doesn’t spend on transfers

@zebimicio5204

2 жыл бұрын

@@omaralkayal7598 aka liverpool fans also i find it ironic for prem fans to call some clubs as buying clubs and brag about how their clubs "spend less"...and yet conveniently left out the fact that the entire premier league is a buying club (look at all those sweet foreign players in the prem)

@julian2870

2 жыл бұрын

facts

@proximamidnight3820

2 жыл бұрын

football fans be like : i hate you oil guy 😠, but i love your money.🤑

@danielfrohlich6362

2 жыл бұрын

@@proximamidnight3820 Noone in Germany wants investors, the clubs should be owned by the fans and Leipzig has an advantage thanks to soulless money, making it much harder for the traditional teams who made Bundesliga great to suceed

So I'm kind of failing to see the downsides to this. Young players get experience, opportunities to develop, more talent is scouted and players placed... The money is coming and going somewhere, and as long as top level football doesn't become too expensive for fans, there isn't a problem

@kikilala4639

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, for development of talent, the farming system allows unknown players to progress and be scouted. His “downside” was that it diminishes local football (Manchester City etc.). the cheaper transfers from farming associated clubs overshadows regional and local players. If done repeatedly over many fcs, country’s leagues become foreigner dominated and diminish participation of locals in their own league’s clubs. This is relevant for national teams. However it can be argued that the local players simply get sent elsewhere like the Bundesliga which could be more suited for their development as a young player. It’s up to you how to see it.

@kylemiller5671

2 жыл бұрын

@@kikilala4639 Okay I see what he means now. As far as youth systems in Europe, I know it would be cheaper to just coach a local kid than it would be to pay a foreign players way to another country, house and feed him, teach him another language/provide a translator, and coach him. Are lower leagues pulling from farm teams instead of youth academies and would it not be better to just pull your local talent up? I ask because with the global brand of the top leagues in Europe, giants have prepared international dream teams, and the demand for silverware and international audience has taken over to the point local fans aren't "needed". I think anyone who wants to see their local talent would go to matches with local talent, I.e. the local matches that aren't part of the international market (second and third division sides and even further). For clarification, I see players like Lingaard, Sancho, Foden, Walker, Kane, Alexander Arnold, and Mount as extremely popular and liked because they're English players. However, they're amazing footballers that stand above the rest of the English players, so it's not very comparable.

@veskokanchev2285

2 жыл бұрын

A few teams in the world hold the majority of the talent in football. Like Manchester City is almost totally dominating English football in recent years, but that's just the early stages. It could get much more uneven. Also, they would be buying young players' future, like if only Indian teams can buy under-18 Indian players, that's fine, because that team would have to sell to make a profit eventually and the player can go wherever he wants to as long as they have the money. If the Indian team is owned by Man City, then the young player can only go to Man City even if other teams want them too.

@rbg75

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is there is no limit on how many farms club an org can get. If we talk solely about money then these group definitely can afford to buy Top 3 club of non European Football league, that is what really gonna kill the competition sooner or later since it doesnt look like they have any plan to stop expanding, if they can get VIP access to all the top talent from top clubs that they own all over the world, its just over.

@vladimirputout2461

2 жыл бұрын

The end of real competition. The richest will get 100% of the good players, leaving lesser national leagues even worse. Take for example Brazil, it has had the best players for almost a century, but from 1970's onwards all the good players left for Europe at some point of their careers. Besides that, we managed to keep football at good level, winning the club World Cup three times in a row in the 2000's, but the last decade showed us how bad things were going. This year a superstar was revealed in the Copa São Paulo, a sub 21 national cup, by Palmeiras, his name: Endrick Felipe. Keep that name, he will be at the top tiers clubs. At only 15 he showed a stellar football, probably much better than Neymar's at this age. The club is already struggling to keep him in Brazil, he has a contract until he turns 18, but there is really nothing to keep European clubs dumping dozen of millions of euros and the subsequent break of contract. Neymar was only bought when he was 21, making 3 awesome seasons in Brazil. That is what will happen.

But unfair to single out these teams and make it sound like a modern thing Eusebio came through a sporting farm club and Ajax set up Ajax Cape town

Things like this are hard to avoid when football is a business.

That is a compelling argument. We in North America don't really think anything of it, considering most of our major sports leagues have the parent team and farm team systems. With football being more global and more intricate, it's not surprising to hear of the failed collaborations. But Red Bull and City Group have done well in terms of expansion and developing players. But I understand the arugment against farm teams in football. Take Melbourne City. I bet a lot of fans didn't want to wave goodbye to their Melbourne Hearts name and colours, and sometimes a rebrand at the wrong time can make the entire perception of it sour. This presenter makes a compelling argument, but I'm on the fence on this one. I see the hesitation and dismay of it, but for me personally, it's a system commonly seen on the continent, so I don't have any feelings of reservation about it.

@dwkickoff

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting that it's just the norm and accepted in North America, Brendan. The global nature of football certainly makes it hard to compare. In Melbourne's case, the arrangement has been pretty beneficial. High quality facilities, competitive team, and also strong investment in the women's side, which has helped raise the standard of the W-League too. But the transfers of Aaron Mooy and Daniel Arzani raised eyebrows

@nadaduo1765

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwkickoff it's not, when red bull moved into new york much of the existing fan base moved on

@BrendanP

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwkickoff I didn't know that. That is good for Melbourne.

@WamalaNastasic

2 жыл бұрын

@@BrendanP check their academy facilities. Top

Farming can help teams bypass FFP rules in future. clubs can show more profit than actual by 'selling' player to sister clubs. Dark days are coming.

@uxdecipher1724

2 жыл бұрын

News Rules comin’ up for that don't worry

After you explain it like that I would like to see this City of Football project or Red Bulls empire buy one of the club in my country though. My country top league have been conquered by only one club for the past 8 years and seems boring to see every season/year the same champion. The lack of other clubs to compete with them mainly just because of financial issues, training facility and academy. At least I want to see 2-3 other clubs be able to compete with that one club and probably enter outside league like have a match with other country clubs, like Champion League.

@dhauz___7855

Жыл бұрын

JDT?

I would absolutely love to watch cows play football!!

@jeffreyogodogun285

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

I personally thank this kind of system as it will help scout talents in remote areas of the world where opportunity is very scarce. Especially in Africa, football has become part of African culture and the love people have for the sport is just unimaginable so having this system will give hope to aspiring young talented footballers.

Eye opening video ... keep up the great work

Also you forgot to mention that IF THE PLAYER decides to go somewhere ELSE, he can. So, NO. Its NOT always how the clubs have imagined/planned.

I've been hoping to do this on FIFA career mode for years

Salzburg in the last recent transfer windows showed they neither need a sugar daddy nor Leipzig. They made a transfer plus of 48Mio€ without trading with Leipzig just in this summer and already have a firing team again.

Great video!

Great vid!

As a Manchester City Fan, I have yet to see players from our farm clubs make it into our first team. It does look bad, yes. But it also give a good chance for players from not so known regions to make it big in more competitive footballing league like the Premier League.

@flyaway6671

2 жыл бұрын

Technically Frank Lampard made it, not as a youth player obviously but they secured him via his interest in the MLS team and not City.

@alone2break

2 жыл бұрын

Aaron mooy and luke brattan.. aaron mooy is decent..

@soccerfantastic2972

2 жыл бұрын

Foden

@Ruka_Sarashina777

2 жыл бұрын

Phil foden

@gyapanbhatta5259

2 жыл бұрын

@@soccerfantastic2972 he came from city academy

I love when farm teams work in a sustainble and successful way, but I cannot tell you how much I hate it when teams try to create farm teams just for the sake of creating them and then fail. Like the Red Bull empire seem to be producing top quality players and coaches whilst playing exciting football and actually have a universal philosophy that works through all of their teams. Whereas the Man City empire looks more like a case of sports washing for Qatar.

@mathieuL2204

Жыл бұрын

City is UAE owned. Qatar owns PSG.

I loved this video so a like but If you keep on putting such great displays you have a new subscriber on your hand

Great detailed video

And we might have saw Chelsea as a "farmer", almost got bought by Ineos who already owns OGC Nice (Ligue 1 Top 5), Lausanne Sport (Swiss D1) and RC Abidjan (Ivory Coast). Even if not Chelsea, Nice could be at the top of a famer clubs group if they can reach the top 4 often and if Ineos invests in more clubs. Looks like even clubs that aren't top class clubs can do this and it's kinda scary when you think about it

I been waiting years to watch Bundesliga actually have atleast 4 teams fighting for the title. Like back in 2008 when Stuttgart won it.

@dand7763

2 жыл бұрын

it is Bayern Munich league + the rest of his farm teams

As a supporter of NYCFC (get the name right) I can tell.you that this is not really how the system is working for the MLS team. We don't take players from the clubs in the network and have never acted as a feeder for any of them either.we hosted a couple of youngsters from Man City year one and quickly found out that was no way to build a team for MLS. Our best young player of the past plays for Leeds. It's incorrect to call this a farm club system it's a joint ownership situation. Plenty of those around the football world.

@colekinder517

2 жыл бұрын

exactly. The CFG is more about individual independent clubs, than about farm teams. The partner clubs like NAC Breda in the past were more farm related.

@veskokanchev2285

2 жыл бұрын

I see your point, but if a potentially world class player appears in NYCFC, one that teams like Liverpool and Bayern Munich want, where do you think he will go? I would guess City.

I don't necessarily have an issue with farm teams (mainly outside Europe). But I do have a big issue with the loan market as it helps the top teams to create more money and actually increases the gap between the top and the levels below

According to this guy, seeing your local talent become a star at home club is all about football. Football is changing and this guy dosent want to talk about the greedy owners who sign established stars only for them to flop. Snuck in "destroying football" word on to his thumbnail to pay his monthly rent or something idk.

@barca29np

2 жыл бұрын

uae involvement in the Yemeni genocide you know

@kylewalkerr

2 жыл бұрын

@@barca29np but you don't wanna talk about Abrahamovich involvement in illegally funding Israelite militants against Palestine 👍

@jotiphassang1817

2 жыл бұрын

@@kylewalkerr osama bin laden

@ahmedsalafap5898

2 жыл бұрын

This guy (DW) totally missed Bayern

@visxon

2 жыл бұрын

@@jotiphassang1817 Hilarious fam 😐

Youth development in every club can make good value if aims for long turn stability.

Branch Rickey was also the manager that signed Jackie Robinson, the first black player to play in the MLB.

Sounds like more opportunities to feed players in smaller markets into bigger systems… and for young promising talents not to waste their careers sitting on a big club’s bench.

well, aren't all those "[ team's name] B" or "[ team's name] II" examples of farm teams? it's basically the same but within one country

@Henriksen1904

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely not, they are the reserves of one club, not a totally differrent club that has been bought up

@Aloyz3n

2 жыл бұрын

@@Henriksen1904 I agree that having multiple farm teams acros the world is a whole new level but reserves serve exacty the same purpose afterall

@itoroenang8266

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aloyz3n no, take for example Barcelona B, their players are Barcelona players, but play in the B team for game time, it's because Barcelona is such a big team that they would have a good 25 or so unused players. If we take RB Salzburg and RB Leipzig, they are two different clubs only connected by their owner

@Aloyz3n

2 жыл бұрын

@@itoroenang8266 I know, but I still think the purpose is the same, to move "unused" players to lesser team and the best (mostly young) talents to the main squad, I dunno I'm not married to this position but I hardly see any difference

@colekinder517

2 жыл бұрын

They are. This is what a farm team is actually, not the example he gave. The CFG and Red Bull own multiple independent clubs. Whereas, a farm team is a team that is owned by another team, and is their reserves. In baseball, triple A, double A, single A, and Rookie level are equivalent to the B team, the u23 team, etc.

Opinion is only one side :) But ok just imagine if City would buy a Lithuanian team, invest in football infrastructure, would help Lithuanian talents to grow, that would be a big help to football. it’s globalization and it’s not only bad things

@abheekdasgupta7079

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they're doing the same with Mumbai. This season they signed Apuia, a 20 year old DM who was the best young Indian player in the league. I'm pretty sure CFG has bigger plans for him

@Holidayinspain76

2 жыл бұрын

I think the video is a little bit simplistic, farm team to create talented players is not a bad thing. It becomes a problem when it doesn't benefit the lower team, that's why I'm against the entire loan market because improving players won't create any financial profit for the team that's improving the player

@abheekdasgupta7079

2 жыл бұрын

@@Holidayinspain76 It is hard to run a low level team. For example, most Indian Super League teams run at losses. No UCL money trickling down. If a parent club loans youngsters and pays their contract, that's some good cost saving

@Holidayinspain76

2 жыл бұрын

@@abheekdasgupta7079 In the short term it is, I don't believe that it's beneficial in the long run. I always use the example of Itakura at FC Groningen. He played there for 2 years while on loan from Man City. He improved and became one of their best players, instead of selling him for some profit he went on another loan to Schalke. He could've created value for Groningen but instead he is creating even more value for Man City. Because of this a lower league team is not rewarded for long term thinking and become dependent on the loan players from the big clubs which is quite volatile

@abheekdasgupta7079

2 жыл бұрын

@@Holidayinspain76 Hmm fair enough. I see it as valuable outside of Europe. U18 players can't move to Europe, and those clubs aren't really competing with Europeans. Great for football in those countries because without UCL, it's impossible to invest in academies of that magnitude for a standalone club. And because U18 players have to play domestically, any top talents can get a couple of seasons of professional football before a transfer to a parent club.

I really did not get the whole farm clubs are destroying football argument

Great info...

"German - Austrian connection draws more attention".. I think about 1940s 🤣

Portuguese clubs seeing this, as they bein farming south America for 50 years 👀👀

I practice “farm football teams” back in TCM 2005 the pc game (played with 4 teams at once as football manager) :)

There needs to be a rule where 50% of the players on the squad need to be born in a 50km radius of the stadium...

A lot of 2nd division teams survive on playing young developing players from top team academies and actually get payment to do so. Farming is just the next logical step.

@dwkickoff

2 жыл бұрын

If these clubs become farm teams, what happens to their ambitions of playing in the first division?

@shenruivah

2 жыл бұрын

@@dwkickoff Then they break off the affiliate no? That's why citys biggest farms are outside of Europe itself? I'm not sure though.

In UCL group stages Club Brugge is surrounded by more plastic than our oceans

@sarathjose739

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@haatonofthebasementoutofth276

2 жыл бұрын

And one of them even if they won the heart of many out of their homeland for their hardworking to reach where they are, the people in their homeland hates them.

@georgeb8679

2 жыл бұрын

@@haatonofthebasementoutofth276 wtf you said? It doesn't make any sense

@georgeb8679

2 жыл бұрын

Man city plastic? Are you born dumb or something else?

@haatonofthebasementoutofth276

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgeb8679 Talking bout Leipzig.

The first examples of farm clubs would be Basque/Spanish canteras such as Real Sociedad and Athletic Club using many smaller lower table clubs like Beasain, Cultural Durango, Portugalete, etc as localized youth camps. The best talent from these clubs may get fed into Athletic Club or Real Sociedad youth setups. Castoffs from Real Sociedad or Athletic Club youth setups often drift back down to these clubs when they turn out to be 3rd or 4th division players with no more room for improvement. So a Beasain both feeds talent into Real Sociedad and gets talent back. These systems have existed as long as Real Sociedad and Athletic Club originally had Basque policies for recruitment which means over 100 years of cantera farm systems.

Nothing to worry about. Here in America, the farm team system has not taken over in MLS. If it can't take over that league, then the rest of the world is fine.

@superninja252

2 жыл бұрын

MLS wants to make a new Farm league and remove teams from USL tho

@MeatballYaro2

2 жыл бұрын

@@superninja252 as far as I know, that's all speculation. However, that could open up the annual rumor mill of pro/rel. The MLS B-squads across all three divisions in USL don't really attract attention as it is, so giving them their own league would be good, but it also wouldn't necessarily be a takeover for a farm system either. Think about it like the U-23 and U-18 squads of the Prem.

@superninja252

2 жыл бұрын

It is confirmed for 2022,

@MeatballYaro2

2 жыл бұрын

@@superninja252 ah. Very well then

What a clickbait, where's the cows ...

i think its a good idea tbh i hope more clubs in Europe would have this system in africa and middle east and asia where opportuinity is low

salary caps could help keep the big fat rich teams from just buying everything

This is the future, oldman

@mostafamansour2495

2 жыл бұрын

Well bad future football is not about money or business it's about passion and the amazing stories of teams going back to glory or dynasties of giants or the underdog stories lecister wining the league Porto wining the ucl dortmund from 2009/2013 and how they threw off bayern's dominance that's what football is all about !

@refkiriswansyah2830

2 жыл бұрын

@@mostafamansour2495 this is the future of that, and that is the future some past, and that past is the future of some far past too... So on, so on, and so on... The fact is, nothing ever be the same forever, everything is changing and gonna change. You want to see the 'true' football? Watch the park after school hour, some kids will play football there and they wont have anything to do with FIFA, UEFA, FFP, transfer fee, salary budget, foreign investors, etc. Thats the true football you talk so magnificently about. But it has changed, and will be changed as they are grow older, the same as this sport. And its okay, as long as you love this sport, many of those magnificent moment will comes, yeah, maybe not exactly the same as before, but it still be football. Dont be afraid of a change, it always happen. But be afraid of no change, because it almist always means that something "stinks" is happening and they already cover it. They dont want anything to change so their cover can always enough cover for that stinks.

@alialwahaibi1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@mostafamansour2495 Same shit was said back when the European Cup was founded and the same shit everyone says every year

@DizzyBusy

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Super League, just by another name? You don't get it now, you'll never get it, mate

Why would City invest in Mumbai? That's like looking for ice on the sun.

@kaydee934

2 жыл бұрын

Huge Population equals more revenue for the City Football Group

@aqeel889

2 жыл бұрын

To make man City more popular in india and to establish a global market

@axxessmundi

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaydee934 not worth it as the rupee near worthless to the Euro & Dollar. So the Indians would purchase pirated City gear. The Mumbai extension will diminish within 5 years as India produces no players of high caliber or revenue for ROI.

@Emmanuelminerin18

2 жыл бұрын

@@axxessmundi the very reason why this farmers clubs exists, which is money, is why u can look for players in " non-football " countries like India. Football is so industrilized today that talent is irrelevant, is all about tatics now. Having a fit body, knowing how to kick a ball and fiting the tactical plan makes u pro these days.

@axxessmundi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Emmanuelminerin18 India doesn't produce any talent nor revenue. No offense but India, for its size, doesn't produce a common ratio in sports amongst the global forum. Brazil with a tenth the population produces more athletes. Holland same story a country smaller than Sri lanka produce more than a billion population India. There's no ROI in Indian football.

I believe in Liverpool Youth Academy & Manchester United Youth Academy. & Then I feel hopeless😶

@Apfelstrudl

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Rashford TAA Greenwood McTominay Elliott Lingard Henderson is nothing?

@vaayman7770

2 жыл бұрын

@@Apfelstrudl I mean every English club academy is shit. You can't match La Masia, Bayern Munich Youth Academy and Ajax.

Traditional football is long gone, now there a 11 foreigners on your local team. i remember when you could only have 3.

Well, if helps to get little bit eased: Not everyone of this farms clubs go to the main club. The great majority is used in other teams in the local league...

Spanish teams have had farm teams for a long time (Barcelona B, Real Madrid Castilla, Villarreal B, Celta B, Real Sociedad B). It has not killed football.

@aniss1735

2 жыл бұрын

These are not farm teams

Only Red Bull has been successful in this thing so far...Man City controlled many clubs for years but they never really contributed as City still prefer to buy superstars instead of giving a chance to unknown players from their farm teams like Red Bull does...Me personally I don't think is a problem but top clubs won't do it that much because they want "ready" players to win trophies (see City spending 100m for Grealish) they have no time to wait for a young player playing in a lower division to eventually become great

Red Bull do the same thing in formula 1. They own 2 teams, red bull racing and scuderia alphatauri. Whenever red bull has a talented youth academy driver they promote them into formula 1 through alphatauri. Drivers who perform well in alphatauri then get promoted to the main red bull team. Because this is the case red bull get to filter out the best talent. The result is absolute powerhouses like max verstappen, Sebastian vettel and Daniel ricciardio. Moreover if red bull promote a driver to red bull and they flop they can move them back to alphatauri thus giving the driver more time to develop without kicking them out of f1 entirely, like they've done with Pierre Gasly and Danil Kvyat. Moreover red bull have a multitude of partnerships with teams in lower divisions such as Dams, Prema and Carlin who all compete in f2 and f3 as well as smaller partnerships with other teams like williams currently, where they've loaned out alex albon, and sauber in the past. The system is kinda debated in f1 because on the one hand it brings in some crazy quick drivers into the sport which makes the racing more enjoyable but at the same time they have a reputation for moving drivers into f1 quicker than they're ready, max verstappen was literally promoted to f1 at 16 years old with only one year of lower division formula racing experience but thankfully he performed well enough to become red bulls leading man today. Plus their youth academy is stacked so drivers in alphatauri are dropped super quick following basically any bad performances, often ruining their careers in the process.

As a Galatasaray fan i never knew we had a farm team

Everything changed back in fall 92

To be clear on the MLB farm system, the players on the farm teams are already signed by the club. The players are just promoted through their system for their play. So similar to league promotion and relegation only except instead of teams it’s individual players. Additionally the U23 training team with Wolfsburg would be considered a farm team in this context. In fact most MLB teams try to control every aspect of the minor league clubs. So this isn’t even a true farm system.

@colekinder517

2 жыл бұрын

exactly. His examples are not accurate.

5:17 That's why I don't have an u23 team in FM21

It's a good question. It sure removes a lot of emotion and meaning from football, but without today's approach I don't think we would see super teams which are delightful to watch.

Oh I thought he meant FARMERS league that we all love because it is so competitive

Thank you for making this video, I've been personally effected by this & thank you for exposing Red Bull, this is why you're the best football channel

One key thing to bear in mind is that, at least nowadays, North American farm clubs are only for professional, adult players. North American teams operate drafts because they are the dominant leagues in their respective sports, and most of the best players go through the draft (except for the MLS, which does have a draft but which is also part of the global football talent market). A player who plays for Raptors 905 would have to either have been drafted by the Toronto Raptors, or signed by them or their minor-league team as a free agent.

First off, I'm impressed that he pronnounced Bragantino almost like a native. Congrats on that. But something you guys forgot to highlight and that I think is also important is the impact that these has in the football fans of the so called farm clubs. Take Bragantino for example. Yes, at first, they skyrocketed into Brazil's first division (one which they didn't play for a long time). However, since then, they don't even try anymore. There's no pressure from the board to win, so they just keep the same coach. And who would want to have a team with no ambition? It sucks to see your local team lose all of its' identity and becoming just a profit for a big corporation.

@mazdakmina9493

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Yes, I've been replying to multiple comments who were either defending the farm system or claiming "it sounds great, I don't see what's the problem" and have been trying to point out (among other things) that *this* is a major problem and one of the big reasons these "foreign farm clubs" (i.e., clubs in foreign nations bought out by an owner in a completely different nation with the clear intention of using it only as a development club for the "top tier" club) keep going bankrupt! Finally, someone on the main thread who says what badly needs to be heard!

All i hear is sour tears dropping on the floor. Every football club is like Leipzig - Barca, Real, Bayern, M U , LIverpool. If you cannot accept reality than you pick up a scape goat and blame them for everything

@adityasharma2935

2 жыл бұрын

Bayern have the who league for that

I don’t see what’s wrong with it, as it obviously provides opportunities to the players in such teams and nations that don’t have the facilities or resources to develop their talent. It also helps the market grow and attracts more investors to leagues and regions that just don’t have enough interest or development. Like for instance, it’s actually a great thing for fans or emerging talents in a country like India, with millions of people who just don’t end up reaching their true potential. Having big corporations in such markets is actually beneficial in a lot of ways and is only gonna help the sport grow and develop in many places in the world, where that just isn’t the case for any particular reason. It’s positive globalisation for places where football isn’t mainstream and underdeveloped, I don’t see any problem with that, despite a few apparent drawbacks. The pros widely outweigh the cons here.

Good video. But to say there are no players in Leipzig´s squad from the region is just wrong. Sidney Raebiger, Joscha Wosz or Ben Klefisch already played some games for the first team

Essentially the English tier system down to non league is like a farm system. I think it would bring football money under control and a bit more even. It would be a job working on setting up the teams and their “major league” teams association. But smaller teams games are fun and the Against Modern Football movement is huge right now so strike while the irons hot and it will take off big time and be a major success!

And I know why you missed Bayern. This video shows the typical German Superiority Bias. Bayern Munich consider all other Bundesliga clubs as their farm and they destroying the league.

@thealchemist6355

2 жыл бұрын

Stop this insane argument.

@frankreynolds9930

2 жыл бұрын

@@thealchemist6355 How is it Insane? Bayern bought its closest competitor best players and managers to continue their dominance.

@thealchemist6355

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankreynolds9930 Chelsea signed the 2 best players(Havertz and Werner) from Bayern's Rivals, where was the outrage?

@frankreynolds9930

2 жыл бұрын

@@thealchemist6355 Only werner was rival and both of them got huge money for it. Bayern pays very little from their rivals.

@thealchemist6355

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankreynolds9930 Every team is a rival. EPL Fanboys never complain when their team signs players from their rivals. Leicester lost Kante and Mahrez within. 2 years of winning the EPL. Also, loosing Maguire and Chilwell in the last 2 years to rivals. Just be consistent.

Man city : we have a farm teams in amost every continent Bayern : Cute,all the other 17 bundesliga clubs are our farm teams..

@appleschorle3416

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't laugh.

@byakuya_Hanqhal

2 жыл бұрын

@@appleschorle3416 didn't really care..

This is fantastic, but you have missed the single biggest problem with the farm team system: This will DESTROY competition at every level but the highest level. If the farm team has to give up their best players to their parent club, then the farm team has ceased to exist as a competitive entity. No one knows who wins baseball minor leagues each year and no one cares because the teams exist only to feed their parent club. If the AAA team is in a race for the championship but their parent club wants their best players, the parent club will take them. Literally every level of baseball below the top level is a training exhibition, not a competition.

This is why MLS and the US soccer system is going to blow up in popularity in the near future. Yes we get so much crap for not having pro rel but it provides so much stability for both the big clubs and small clubs from going bankrupt.and with a hard salary cap keeps everything competitive

Manchester City should bring some fans from their feeder clubs first 🤭

@georgeb8679

2 жыл бұрын

Low iq

@johndoe2769

2 жыл бұрын

Did you come up with that yourself...yawn

@firstboy7033

2 жыл бұрын

That's an old joke mate start with the new ones

@piashshohag

2 жыл бұрын

@@firstboy7033 It's a fact mate 😁

@firstboy7033

2 жыл бұрын

@@piashshohag sorry broo They got enough fans now The jokes really sucks now Feeling sad in Brighton fan voice 😢

In Croatian League we have for more than 10 years FARM team in the same league. Anyone care? Of course not, well only One Football club see it unregular : ) Other just dont care Welcome to 🇭🇷 Today everyone knows about Dinamo Zagreb but does anyone know how that "cash machine" was built : )

Quick question is there a "Fly Emirates" network? just curious.

Well, what is the difference between the farm system and the academy system? Seems to the the same thing.

Damn, excellent report!! This reporter is going places!! 🔥 if you really want to know what I think of Farm teams then it’s that they should burn hell!🔥🤮

@matataxs

2 жыл бұрын

Good point sir, I wonder what it means for AI though

@refkiriswansyah2830

2 жыл бұрын

For the competitiveness, yes they are bad. This system make the biggest farmer has wider selection of talents and can easily have access to them. Making scouts & local talent club diminished. But if we see from another perspective, about the location demographic of 'where' they farm, we will realize that they are not 100% evil. They mainly farm in the 'edge' of the world: Africa, India, China, US, etc. In the places that almost no scouts wanted to go, where many talents in football is seen as 2nd tier and left neglected without any chance for them to grow. Take US for example, football/soccer is seen as 'soft' sport in there, just a sports for woman (their national woman team is world class). Many man ashamed to play it and prefer Basketball or American Football to play even if they have more talent in Football. This farm pour huge amount of investment & advertising, growing the sport popularity significantly, and give them chance to grow their talent. And its only in USA, a 1st world country, imagine how much of a impact they bring to Africa & India. How many chance they bring to the talents there to grow? You can argue that its why we already employ scouts. To search for talent, but do the scout develop & advertise the sports as a whole too? Or just pick 1-2 players each year and neglect the other to just bury their talent? Scouts system is good, but not enough. Especially in a far out of reach place like Africa & Asia. They just see & take, not nurture & develop anything. Making football in those places will stagnant and never be as good as Europe. At least this farm system excel at that.

Money make the world go round

City fan but I hate this, I dont know how what the city football group is doing is allowed

Thumbnail is a banger can't lie

The problem started decades ago with the bosman ruling, specially regarding the freedom of movement. If football teams are only allowed 3 foreign players the farming system would not have as much effect. They would not have teams in 15 different countries if only 3 could play.

i really don't understand what the problem here is aside from what seems to be simply thinking that "new bad". farm teams give youngsters a real shot to climb up the ladders onto the main event of the top 5 leagues in europe where they otherwise would've been stuck in poorly managed small teams that would fail to preform and fail to properly develop these youngsters. these players never have any of their rights infringed on and can at any point leave these systems to anywhere else. look and upamecano as a prime example. he moved to the literal rival of RB liepzig without any problems. and all the teams involved are fully aware of how this work so it's not like anyone is forcing them into becoming a farming team either. and the tradtionally big teams already implement a similar system anyways with a 2nd team. look at real madrid castilla playing in the 2nd division in spain.

Wattenscheid is a crazy club. I'm from there. It's speaking volumes they had that contract with Galatasaray. Where we live is the number one immigration area in germany. anyhow, Wattenscheid had major problems ever since the early 2000s

In Malaysia, we have JDT FC following this same concept.