Good to know for when I’m pushing my shopping trolley round asda

@thomasthedankengine1624

7 ай бұрын

Underrated comment

@leonardodavinci7196

7 ай бұрын

😂😂great comment

@randomthe0ne

7 ай бұрын

what's an asda?

@xtrathiccboi

7 ай бұрын

@@randomthe0ne basically a Walmart

@the_loaf

7 ай бұрын

​@@randomthe0neBritish supermarket chain owned by Walmart

Brb gonna go test this on public roads

@metalmiguel16

7 ай бұрын

Yo, What’s the verdict?

@Pickfordr100

7 ай бұрын

Done this for years 😂 it uses too many pads and tyres

@Scotty-vs4lf

7 ай бұрын

@@Pickfordr100 yeah i just do single lane on public roads cuz i have to do it during the day. too many animals at night where i live. but when i did used to do it at night and used the whole road and pushed harder i was wearing my tires fast

@frayziedaisy

7 ай бұрын

will only work with 500+ hp

@Patoken147

7 ай бұрын

@@frayziedaisy got that covered 🤝

Two words: Exit Speed.

@michaelbuckers

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I learned pretty fast that if there's a straight after the corner then exit speed matters a lot more than cornering speed.

@radeoradeo5743

7 ай бұрын

Actually no) Short corner- are those 2 words)

@SchweinerSchinkler

7 ай бұрын

That‘s 4 words man 🤦

@bhoovJunc

6 ай бұрын

No, it's Exit Acceleration

@XtreeM_FaiL

6 ай бұрын

One word: Fast.

those moms in cosco didn't stand a chance. Thanks for the tip.

@juststig2735

2 ай бұрын

💀

2 items: First, this line is optimal in high power cars that can accelerate powerfully and quickly enough that they can more than recover any lost carried speed. Second, this line is in some ways a result of the high power in that getting all that power to the ground so fast will push/snap the car around. If you have a moderately powerful car you will likely find that the extra 1 sec of acceleration will not be enough to recover the 10km corner speed that you lost. The fastest line will change for different cars and set-ups

@excrubulent

6 ай бұрын

Yes, and when you talk about power, it's really a question of power to grip ratio, so the looser the surface the later your apex should get as well.

@geemy9675

6 ай бұрын

@@excrubulent haha power to grip ratio cool concept, that's the unit ? drifts per minute ? average drift angle ? unit, just peak acceleration G's in a straight line/ cornering G's So basically you woulduse exactlty the same lines with a mitsubishi mirage on black ice (no power/no grip) vs a high power high grip race car :-D

@excrubulent

6 ай бұрын

@@geemy9675 I think on black ice it might be more extreme than a high grip race car. Mirage on black ice might be more like a 600hp rallycross on dirt. Power acceleration vs lateral acceleration is probably a good way to measure it, in which case it would be a pure ratio; completely dimensionless.

@bro589

6 ай бұрын

It’s not about how much power, but how soon it can be applied. If you try to keep too much momentum around the turn, you won’t be able to turn fast. So you slow down more, turn more sharply at first, and then ease off the turn and start applying gas. You can slow down more and come out of the corner at higher exit speed. Regardless of engine power. It’s a problem of momentum.

@hamakaze9812

6 ай бұрын

Very cool

I try to do this in Gran Turismo but rammers think it’s an open door.

@C0DERedEdits

6 ай бұрын

That's because it is lol Taking a worse, but defensive line is normal

@dazeen9591

6 ай бұрын

This is only for qualifying runs

@parzival016

5 ай бұрын

the best way to keep anyone from passing you on a turn is to keep enough room on the apex to maximize your exit speed but not enough room for the person behind you to be able pass through. ( e.g. if your car is 5 and a half feet wide, only leave about 4.8 - 5 feet of room in between your car and the corner’s curb.

@perkypears

4 ай бұрын

hug the corner when you're racing with other live people. not having all of the space to yourself like a time trial is what makes racing have a whole dynamic

@canismajoris6733

3 ай бұрын

Because it is

That's what sim racing aliens use as well and they gain time on straights

@locbabyy619

6 ай бұрын

Lot more fun learning control of your car though 🤷‍♂️ and I only use controller for the game 🤣

@edwardking9359

4 ай бұрын

​@@locbabyy619 This is part of car control, mate. The ability to keep your car on a proper line is integral to any other part of control, at least when it comes to track.

@deafcon22

2 ай бұрын

@@locbabyy619you know nothing about controlling a car from racing on a controller

@locbabyy619

2 ай бұрын

@@edwardking9359 I been racing salvage title m3s and amgs since I was 14 I only started playing forza a few years ago lol

@locbabyy619

2 ай бұрын

@@deafcon22 steering wheels are for lames unless ur actually street racing like real men

I just realized this is exactly what I did in go karts when I started beating every amateur at our local track

I’d love to see a professional driver do a test, a few laps with the “theoretical line” and a few with the “ideal line” to see how big of a difference it makes.

@Ultimusvivi

6 ай бұрын

Watch the movie Gran Turismo it was a gamer that realize that the perfect racing line wasn't the ideal one.

@valakarhtelgrem5210

3 ай бұрын

​@Ultimusvivi fr. But i play gt7, and the demos for license tests and circuit experience usually use the perfect line(as far as the ones ive done). I try to do the ideal line but ive never gotten a faster time than the demo's perfect line. But also its because im a bad driver

@BoredLikeHelI

3 ай бұрын

​@@valakarhtelgrem5210#1, you're palying an arcade game with subpar physics, it won't represent reality. #2 turn off the racing line asap if you actually want to get better #3 even with all that said you would 100% be faster on a lap by using a different line from the games line. Also, in most games the line is set up for the lap, not corner by corner. So it already shows you the best line and not the ideal line, it's still garabge though.

@valakarhtelgrem5210

3 ай бұрын

@BoredLikeHelI i don't use the racing line assist. I only said demo's line. Like the line that the demonstration car drives on. Ive seen videos on youtube that beat the demo though, so now I know its not perfect

@BoredLikeHelI

3 ай бұрын

@@valakarhtelgrem5210 those are the same thing. The demo car obviously drives along the games racing line. If it didn't then even the game would be admitting the racing line is shit, which it never will admit. And again, gt7 is not the right game to test that stuff. A big part of not racing the "perfect line" every time has to do with road surface/bumps/curbs/etc. which this video did not touch upon. You need a game with laser scanned tracks and actual proper simracing physics to see a big difference in those situations. For example, look at any casual sim racer driving the nordschleiffe, in gt7 and in assetto corsa or iracing for example. They hit the curbs everywhere like they think they should, and in gt7 it makes less of a negative impact than in simracing, but there are very few curbs you should touch on that track. Also, bumps in the road make a BIG difference on that track.

This is mostly true when you've got a ridiculous amount of barely-controllable power, if you've got something more mundane the "ideal" line is indeed often ideal. Perhaps surprisingly, if you've got less power or less grip than your competitors the early apex or double-apex line shown also works.

@somark28

6 ай бұрын

Was gonna say, this is only valid because of the insane grip those cars produce. However power wouldn’t be an issue as it’d still be more beneficial to spend as little time accelerating and decelerating as possibel

@alanhat5252

6 ай бұрын

@@somark28 I say "ridiculous amount of barely-controllable power" because F1 cars can spin their wheels in any gear. More power can be controlled in the more open "double apex" line so the exit speed from the corner is higher.

@somark28

6 ай бұрын

@@alanhat5252 I’m talking about for less powerful cars though, even a Nissan Sentra would benefit from the sharper turn given it could make it

@Delimon007

2 ай бұрын

Uh, this basically applies to any car that's at the GT level or higher. For low powered cars you want to maintain as much speed as possible because they simply have no acceleration to get back up to speed to use an actual ideal line. Imo, slower cars are not using the ideal line which is to get your car pointed straight as fast as possible to get back on the power.

@tacticalmattress

Ай бұрын

Yep, applies to anything that isn't a high horsepower track car. I mean some high horsepower cars could benefit from a ideal line, but not many. It would be only super/hyper cars that have high HP and tons of downforce. Mclarens, Ferrari's etc. Do this in a Mazda Miata race, and you're gonna be dead last hahaha

not to mention it makes it much more difficult for someone to pass you on a corner theyll always try to take it but you just come out with way too much speed whereas if they tried to take it theyll end up slower. love it

A slightly delayed, sharp turn in with a late apex just works best. It is also a good strategy for canyon carving because if you end up in a DR turn, you're more likely to be able to negotiate it even if it catches you by surprise.

I was faster in my standard MX5 on a track day than a Porsche, GTR, and many other powerful cars , just because I took one lesson from an instructor on racing lines.

@Hydraggle

7 ай бұрын

i think that on a car with less power, something closer to a theoretical line might be faster. A late apex line relies on the cars acceleration to increase speed quickly enough but in an mx5 it may be better to carry more speed instead. It may just be you are a better driver in general

@Ultrabenbooyah

7 ай бұрын

​@@HydraggleDoesn't the late apex line allow you to get on the power earlier? I thought that's the whole point?

@Hydraggle

7 ай бұрын

@@Ultrabenbooyah you can get on power earlier, but if your cars acceleration lacks then that wont mean much. Whereas if you conserve more speed INTO the corner you wont have to rely on the acceleration.

@muhamadazkaputra7872

7 ай бұрын

​@@Ultrabenbooyahlate apex means slow entry, such car as miata won't speed up as quick once it slows down

@jacksonboone8396

7 ай бұрын

Did you use the F1 line or another line?

The braking ability of an F1 car is much higher than a POS average car

I do this in games to beat the opposition into submission but I didn't know that this was actually used irl until now lol

Basically use this move when you know after the turn is a long straight. Set yourself up to accelerate better and get to top speed faster. Avoid this line if theres another corner coming up

@surkey5055

7 ай бұрын

Exactly, a very good example is T1 at Spa, pretty much a textbook late apex to prioritize exit.

@chaseHoldren

6 ай бұрын

yep, and do the opposite when you have a long straightaway into a slow section

That's the line that I take into the double S exit off the highway in the morning on the way to work. It messes up the other drivers who are trying to follow me.

Brake hard in straight line. Turn aggressive to the apex Throttle early

@deanfielding4411

7 ай бұрын

Apart from when you’re trail braking and you have a bit of steering on.

@NipponNostalgicTV

6 ай бұрын

There should be zero gap between when you get off the brakes to when you get on the throttle

@alimantado373

6 ай бұрын

@@NipponNostalgicTV Maybe true in sim , but real life NO. that just upsets car balance.

@khakipeach2128

5 ай бұрын

@@alimantado373what applies to sims will pretty much always apply to real life, and vice versa

@cayden2744

3 ай бұрын

​​@@alimantado373 Only if you apply too much throttle input.

I'll use this in f1 game

@jongv007

7 ай бұрын

Did it worked?

@Kojwills

Ай бұрын

Same gt7

I learned this thanks to MX Unleashed. There is a technique called squaring the turn. You come in fas toward the middle of the outside of a hairpin turn and hit the breaks to slide, then pop the clutch and rocket out of the turn. It was super effective if there was a rhythm section after the turn. I started playing with the idea of using the technique in other racing games. It was easy to use in rally and drift, but sliding in other types of races proved... ineffective. I then started trying it with minimum to no sliding and eventually found that lines like the 1 shown in the video were really effective, especially when long, fast sections followed the turn. It was most effective for hard turns as well as some long, banking turns. I eventually found that in banked turns, I could use the slope of the bank to get a bit of extra speed and set up to pass in or at the end of the straights. It was extremely effective if you had a shake and bake buddy so you didn't have to struggle to get a slip stream from cars ahead

Its also a good way to protect the racing line if your in the lead, if someones behind you, that line shuts the door on the inside.

That is exactly what we were taught at Brands Hatch in 1996. The example given is Druids under the bridge on the right then you make it into two corners as shown in the second example.

In my racing in Forza Motorsport, I'm thinking a last corner of a series of corners would be better to exit with a high speed, so brake earlier. While the first of a series of corners after a straightaway, brake later to be faster for longer.

I believe that Monza last turn is a great turn to learn this, even though I fail often and fall deep into the left side - Im still trying 😂

This line is also used by a few other downforce cars like LeMans Prototype cars (LMP), Pikes peak machine, etc

its not the optimal line, you apex early or late depending on where you want to be coming out of the corner.

That’s similar to ski racing except that in skiing one HAS to turn above the gate instead of apexing it, otherwise one would never make the next gate. When Phil and Steve Mahre started car racing, they were naturals because they had so much experience with line choice.

Ive only done little track days and i can agree i noticed this alot

It’s not the “perfect line” then is it if there’s a faster way to take the corner

@DZ-jm1my

7 ай бұрын

It's perfect in a mathematical sense as the "perfect" line maximises the turning radius through the turn.

@Julian_0000

7 ай бұрын

​@@DZ-jm1mythough really just depends on what car you use right? example you cant really utilize that line if youre using a slow car like a miata that doesnt have the power to accelerate and take advantage of that line

@DZ-jm1my

7 ай бұрын

@@Julian_0000 Exactly, and this is covered in the full video. Something like a Go-Kart will take a line MUCH closer to the geometric line because it simply does not have much power. Something more powerful with less grip benefits more from the ideal racing line, as it makes more time accelerating than carrying high mid-corner speed.

@alanhat5252

7 ай бұрын

the "perfect" line will get you from the entry to the exit of the corner faster but the early-apex or double-apex line is faster from the entry of one corner to the entry of the next because you're coming out of the first corner so much faster.

Depends on the corner. Long straight after the corner? Aim for higher exit speed. A second tight corner to follow immediately? Can brake later.

Great job with the subtitles 👍👍

I remember this info being in the instruction booklet for the first gran turismo game.

Basically the slower the corner the more you prioritize the exit (unless it’s a chicane or a succession of turns), whereas the faster the more you stick to the theoretical line

That was very obvious with Loeb and Schumacher ( that they still hold the record of world championship rally and f1), there line was very different from others , getting deeper in the corner , brakes more and slower in the corner but exit faster as they can flat out earlier.

I used to do this while i used to roller skate in my childhood

this is often the best option for f1 cars, as they have a lot more downforce than most cars, therefore they are able to take sharper turns without oversteer or understeer on top of this, the incredibly fast acceleration and deceleration of f1 cars also adds to how much better this line is

Good to know for my impromptu f1 track for my snowmobile in my dad's field

Something I learned almost 50 years ago endurance racing motorcycles.

I discovered this technique myself playing racing games!

I watched a video once where a race car driver had a go kart set up with all types of telemetry, and he would experiment with different lines around a race track. He said it was impossible to gauge the fastest line using just the seat of his pants. He needed the telemetry to find the fastest lines.

@francoisloriot2674

6 ай бұрын

so before telemetry all drivers would have equal lap times all the time?

@peterwilson8039

6 ай бұрын

@@francoisloriot2674 From what I said, the logical inference is that before telemetry, probably nobody was taking the fastest line around the corner. That doesn't mean that everybody was taking the exact same line. Sheesh!!

It all depends on the corner/straight after the initial corner. No corner is the same, therefore, no approach to it is the same

I love watching things like this because I can see exactly how I drive like a race car

Another thing to consider, especially for a downforce car, is using the line that involves the least steering angle and therefore scrubs the least speed. The more speed you have, the better you aero works, the more grip you have, the faster you can take a corner, and the harder you can accelerate.

Thanks for the explanation

Me walking through the winding hallways of my job

Turbo is best on corner exit. Naturally aspirated is better through the corner because of the ability to control the revs directly without lag boost

This is extremely important when Kart racing.

Good info 😊

Well explained Scott 😊

Been taking my car through canyon roads like this and man I knew it just felt right. As straight as possible towards the apex through a turn. Like if you were taking the tangent of an orbital curve

On Tracks like silverstone with maggots and becketts u need to try to make the road as straight as possible for maximum speed

Yes! been doing this always with F4 cars in Raceroom

In France, Germany and Switzerland, you learn to take the line on that way for the motorcycle licence (A) and have to use this method to pass the exam !!

I finally did that same move in Real racing 3

Only take a later exit if the track after the corner benefit from the exit, it maybe that u want to maximise V max is you are coming from a long straight into a twisty section, then it may benefit an early apex

Learning this naturally makes me feel like a genius

Cornering 101: Slow in, fast out.

Learnt this watching the gran turismo movie

Honestly I just think about it like slingshotting things using planets you hug the corner then get launched at the end

The first is the shortest distance assuming acceleration is the same throughout the turn. But F1 cars can brake a lot harder than they can go. The second option takes full advantage of the larger braking force by braking late.

Love knowing I did things intuitively 😅 this is how I play racing games n get an advantage

I always get the braking and turn completed early to get the best exist speed.

Me in a Miata: "This doesn't work :( " Me in a drag racer: "Holy moly, it works!"

keep in mind that you can catapult yourself out a curve, use momentum. Its very rocket like

Lewis and a few others did this in a Suzuki on the top gear track way back in the 00's

it's like a slingshot at full throttle if done right ...

Depends also on where the rubber is.

True for formula 1 type machines & many sports cars, but less true for cars that don’t trail-brake well.

And it also works better on streets since you can see true corner sooner

I knew this from Gran Turismo. It is explained in the booklet that comes with the game.

In like a lamb, out like a lion. Works every time. Case in point, Alonso this year in San Paolo at the end of the grand prix.

I would explain it differently, the first is the shorthest way with possibly least braking. The second offers least resistance after initial hard turn do this is the way allowing for the best acceleration and you also limit some time for braking. I would say that the first one is more Effective when driving a car with weaker brakes/worse acceleration and the second as it takes more time to rapidly accelerate. I guess that the second method puts much more stress on tyres.

Braking immediately before cornering sharply also shifts more weight to the tires doing the turning, allowing for a quicker corner (and allowing you to accelerate a bit sooner). -But, break too soon and you'll have to speed back up before cornering, breakimg too late or too much can have you leaving the track, spin out, or losing speed (and time) on the back side.

@amnesite3573

6 ай бұрын

(doing this repeatedly is also hard on the tires and the brakes....and the suspension system)

I thought it was just me, 6:16 is hella underrated

i will test it in assetto corsa right now , thanks!

Beautifully explained, let me go try it in my Audi allroad 😂

Traction and acceleration of these cats is soooo good, that carrying speed in to a straight is so beneficial. Plus, braking late/trail braking (if F1 cars are capable of this), makes for carrying loads of speed ithrough the corner. I also know, mainly from watching this and other channels, as well as being a big F1 fan, that braking in these cars is as far removed from braking in a normal car, as can be! Less speed, less down force, need more brakes. Noobe could go in to an F1 can and drive it properly. You heed the experience of making your way through the lower categories, otherwise driving these things fast, would be entirely alien to you. Maybe this is the best line, because its an F1 car, and that driving a normal....ish car, fast round this corner, means the line used by am F1 can would NEVER work as the fastest option.

Itd not about minimum. Its about keeping the car in a straight line as much as possible. Where its quickest

“Or any decent driver”, shows the goat

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

We call this phenomenon Brake Then Turn. I know it sounds silly but it's that simple. Your apex will shift if you break hard late and then turn and then get on throttle earlier.

Powerful cars scan traight-line corners. Under-powered cars need that sweet, smooth momentum.

Just realized this is the reason I speed through highway corners 😳

It also wears the tyre and has a higher load on the ICE so its not the most ideal for wear management conditions

Also reduce that lateral stress on the tyre

Just tried this on a public road and crashed into outside kerb

the same in motocross or any high weight/hp ratio vehicle. the more straight line the faster you are. but you need to follow the ideal line on a 9 hp gokart car

I figured out this in canada f1 23 game by my self

This true even though I only tried it on a video game 😂

Reduce the time turning and increase the time accelerating. Higher average speed. But still the theoretical line is the best. Its just a flaw with the cars that allow these dramatic late apexes. It always cycles like this and keeps the racing diverse

plan for a malleable smaller corner and you get more components to work with.

So short corner divers 🤔

Is it just me or did none of the clips of the f1 drivers look like they took the “ideal” line you drew? They looked closer to the geometric line

and it also makes a number on the tires

Slow entry, fast exit. I might try this in gran turismo.😅

140 kilogram force (~309 lbf) you need to put on the braking pedal in an F1 car for maximum braking and that's what you need to brake as late as possible. Before you can start to even think of optimising your exit speed. The numbers on the leg press in your gym are just numbers. Set that press to real 140 kgf, then try to exert that power lying almost flat on your back. Repeat for two hours.

Engine torque curves would seem a characteristic that can be 'worked' using these techniques. The ability to command maximum torque at any rotational speed of electric motors seems a more elegant and effective solution.

It’s much more complicated than you guessed.

In racing, It's important to know the rules well in order to bend them(pun intended) within limits. The perfect racing line is one of the first batch of things you need to learn about a track.

Add the distance to next break point after a corner and minimize according to it, you get the true perfect line