Did we miss any equipment that might get banned? Let us know 👇

@hedleykerr3564

5 жыл бұрын

How about the special Continental tubulars (Pro LTD)? tyre's that aren't available to the public or in shops! Not sure if that is the models on those tyre's with out going back and looking at your pro bikes of the peleton spec. that you do on the team bikes! I know you guys have mention that several time on the Continental tyres!

@GauGaut

5 жыл бұрын

Could 3D-printed parts - such as Team Sky's custom made TT handlebars also be banned ? Is this the end of custom tech ? I do like the fact that pros get to use some amazing tailored parts.

@shanepearson5950

5 жыл бұрын

@@GauGaut them 3D printed bars are available to buy go on a website called (most) and you can order your self a set but it will set you back about £20,000

@paulbroomhead8427

5 жыл бұрын

We've always had trickle down of tech from the pro peleton, the new rule should in theory just speed up the process of it coming to market. I'd also imagine that product designers will have to factor in the cost of commercial production into the design lifecycle of any innovation more than they do now with genuine 'one-off' components. While this might reign in some of the more extreme ideas it should benefit the public in the long run with the improved manufacturing technology to make these pro items commercially available.

@Digitalbath570

5 жыл бұрын

@@GauGaut n.a. just means they have to invite you down and get your own custom printed tt bars.....

I think the Tour should have throwback days. Imagine a prologue on old Raleigh Choppers.

@johndef5075

4 жыл бұрын

They need a tour where you road race, mountain bike, cyclocross and other disciplines in the same race.

The big problem I have with this UCI move is what it means for prototyping things in the peloton. If the teams are working with the brands on some new wheels or something and they decide that it's not worth going forwards with (e.g. because it's not good enough) they'll still have to sell it under the UCI rules. Now selling sub standard items damages the brands reputation. That could reduce the number of new & funky bits on the bikes as brands are too afraid to give them to the teams as they have to protect their brand. Some examples I can think of this year is Pirelli releasing tubular tyres after developing them with Mitchelton-Scott, or the Specialized power meter. If there was a risk that those products could fell flat or had to go back to the drawing board, the brands wouldn't do that next year because of this rule.

Oh I really like the dynamic of you two guys! I laugh while watching your videos. This is the weekly video I like the most of all the GCN

I feel like the UCI commercially available rule is a solution without a problem. I really don't care if some pro cyclist is using equipment I can't buy in 6 months - I can't afford Dura-Ace now!

@triplebutted

5 жыл бұрын

The point is to give the trust-fund millionaires a level playing field.

@jonasstromstad

5 жыл бұрын

I would guess they're trying to limit spending, since spending a lot of money on new advantageous tech isn't as tempting if your rivals can pop down to the shop and buy it for them selves. Don't think it will work. At least not with the 12month deadline. So I would expand on your claim an say it is a "non-solution" to a problem they've invented. ;)

@TheProgrammer93

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's designed for us as amateurs; I think it's aimed at creating a level playing field for professional and national teams

@indonesiaamerica7050

5 жыл бұрын

All of the UCI's "safety" rules are nominally about "safety" and "fairness" but in reality the most important guiding doctrine is to come up with enforceable rules that homogenize equipment for the sake of the markets. Established players love homogenized markets. This presumably makes cycling a safer investment for equipment sponsors. OTOH, a side effect of the weight restrictions (dumb) is that lots of riders started to ride full time with power meters and other gear that were once considered not worth using because of the weight (also dumb). SO, I agree that it's a lot of bullshit but modern schools don't teach caveat emptor or critical thinking. They teach Social Justice, which is "criticism" with built in assumptions. We're a world full of arrogant idiots.

@trowe79

5 жыл бұрын

Seems to be a silly rule. What’s stopping a manufacturer from saying, “sure, anyone can buy this skin suit (or whatever), it’s priced at $5,000,000 (or whatever ridiculous markup they choose).” If someone actually places an order, the manufacturer can surely make on in 4 months and still have a huge profit. Their team of course gets them for free or cost.

UCI digging a hole here. What happens if Froomes new BB bearings aren't on sale within 12months? Does his 5th TdF victory get wiped??? Only way for this to be done is same way motor sport does - x number homologated items sold BEFORE you race with equipment.

@maxgrass8134

5 жыл бұрын

Obviously will apply only from 2019 onwards!

@lfoster7601

5 жыл бұрын

@@maxgrass8134 Indeed. Hence reference to Froom's 5th TdF which he'll win next July...

@maxgrass8134

5 жыл бұрын

He'll be using a commercial available BB in 2019

@lfoster7601

5 жыл бұрын

@@maxgrass8134 It wasn't gospel bud, was simply making the point that any obscure component that a team might use (3d printed handlebars, exotic ceramic bearings, anything) that did not then go on sale within 12 months, would cause the UCI an issue. The bad publicity of removing, for example, a TdF win, because a bottle cage hadn't gone on sale would be catastrophic fort the sport.

@maxgrass8134

5 жыл бұрын

@@lfoster7601 why use non standard bottle cages if a tdf win is at risk? If the rule is truly enforced, then the teams will follow it. Simple as that. No need to take the risk and use some 3D printed custom parts. Rules are rules. Like it or not

Tyres - Continental even brand some as unavailable - pro limited!

@cliffordromina3527

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, will they be commercially available or become obsolete? I'm hoping the first one..

@oliverbridgewood3929

5 жыл бұрын

good point!

@JogBird

5 жыл бұрын

theyll just make the mrsp $1000 each to comply

@shainexxxsescrimshaw7605

5 жыл бұрын

Good point,I've always wanted a pair of those tyres

@m.p.3344

5 жыл бұрын

They were commercially available when they first appeared for 1 year, that gets them out of that rule

Am I going to be crying my eyes out😭 that I cant get every last bit of tech that the pros use? Probably not. Am I glad that they can use non commercially available products? Yes, the reason being that this is the only way that prototype tech can really be put through it's paces in the pro peloton. It allows companies to try new things an experiment without the fear that they cannot change things. I think you need that flexability and freedom in product testing. If you didn't then you would never get a team like Cervelo test team! The one thing that I would like to see a change in is the way that pro bikes are sold at the end of the year. That would be great if there was a way that every fan could know that if they had the cash 💵 then you might be able to buy your favourite pros bike... Sadly does feel like the UCI is focusing on these smaller details which they can change an enforce instead of really bringing about the bigger changes which are needed...😔

I want the professionals to keep racing with space age tech made from unobtainium because that drives innovation. Imagine Formula 1 racing with off-the-shelf bits and parts!

@jbiasutti

4 жыл бұрын

Bathurst the way it used to be!

hilarious editing like always 😂

only ollie could make that home alone joke. I couldn't stop laughing at jon’s reaction this is why I keep watching

@JonCannings

5 жыл бұрын

I'm concerned for myself and others.

@EmilyKira

5 жыл бұрын

I could not make out what he said at 17:38 but still cracked up. I had to re-watch it a few times. LOL!

Great show again. Well played for showing up ill jon

John, in reference to the upcoming video on unique bike shops you may want to check out the Bisbee Bicycle Brothel in Bisbee Arizona. While you are there, take a ride up Mt. Lemmon outside of Tuscon.

LOL ...John leans further and further over towards Ollie as the show progresses. Seems pretty determined to spread his cold. Sharing is caring!

I love the artistry of that wooden bike. Great show.

Love the buzzer. Great show guys.

Yes, this is important, it is an important distinction between cycling and for instance F1 racing, yes super high bike are expensive but they are attainable for many and the tech trickles down a lot quicker.

Jon’s face after Ollie’s Tommy Gun Home alone reference haha !!

We need an in-depth video on how that wood frame bike was made! Exquisite craftsmanship!

The tech show is consistently one of the best bits of GCN.

Oh my , love pun jon and olie. It's in"tree"sting and in"tree"guing for that wooden bike. It's wheelie good. Keep up the good content gcn folk.

Using a Spurcycle bell would be supernice.

Great show yo!

Any luck getting the lotus bike meet organised?? would be a lovely video to see!

I think viewers bikes would be a great content piece. You already do pro bikes, but I'd love to see some of the rarer or unique bikes of our fellow riders.

Love the channel Just another idea why not introduce a price cap for the bikes might be easier to oversee?

Did the UCI ban the bell 🛎?

@vaporisedair4919

5 жыл бұрын

Geth Cleddyfa seems fair given it is not available for purchase

@vaporisedair4919

5 жыл бұрын

@Alacycle *makes all sort of threatening hand gestures* Okay

@evanr1940

5 жыл бұрын

I'll suggest a siren ban

@hondaridgelineenduser5934

5 жыл бұрын

Then someone watching the uci in the crowd should sneak in a bell to annoy uci 😂🤣😅😆😉

Christmas day.....I fell off my chair just before 5:15

Like Mr Cannings use of a neck buff inside - the Wild West look

I think it’s more so to make it level like you were saying because some of the bigger teams can get their hands on things that the smaller teams can’t get

@rollinrat4850

5 жыл бұрын

Jake Mitchell Like ‘good’ dope and the ‘best’ doctors and trainers?

@jakemitchell3029

5 жыл бұрын

Well let’s not talk about that side of the story

The subject of parts being commercially available to buy reminds me of motorcycle racing.In the World Superbike Championship the manufacturer's have to make a certain amount of bikes available for sale to the general public.These bikes are called homologation specials & they look like the standard road going version but feature close ratio gear boxes,slightly different frames etc.

2:33 "Does this new regulation apply... to equipment which we've seen used in the past?" Surely it can't. It's a fundamental tenet of law that you can't make things retroactively illegal and that you can't retroactively change a contract without the other party's consent. The UCI would get sued to kingdom come if they tried to make it retroactive.

I want to see an entire video on that lotus. Hope the guy gets in contact.

@victorprior7610

5 жыл бұрын

I have and you have given me an idea about making a video

Jan's wooden bike had internal cable routing. Makes it a super nice just for that.

2020 and still entertained and watching

Crazy idea, it’s the innovations produced for racing that cause the technology to evolve.

"That's old news, this is back"! JonnyTech, you make my heart sing, that bell is a load of old whatever, LONG LIVE THE SIREN!!!!!!!!

Upgrade regarding bikes is almost like a brush I have had for ten years it has had three handles and two brush heads still working well.

Us folks from Maryland pronounce it "Mer-lin" and our great city of Baltimore is "Bawl-mer" Come to Maryland! The hills are great!!

@linusowens2858

5 жыл бұрын

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@jbratt

5 жыл бұрын

He did give it a bit of a Texas accent to it...so it sounded good to me 😀

Please, I asked before and I'm asking again, what is the music playing in the background of the Bike Vault?

what if you'er using a part that was originally commercially available, but is no longer?

I had a Grand Prix be for I got my Composition GS. Great machine.

Is there a ruling on how realistic the pricing has to be? Can they make them "available" at an unattainable price? This would allow teams to run prototype items while mitigating the risk of having to mass produce.

i wish they commercialize the shimano pro stems that i remember they feature at one of the show that have 101 to 121 that have instead of 100,110 and 120 length

Ollie - I'm going to tell you this story to maybe help you feel better about those 10 years spent studying chemistry. I speak as a retired 70 year old, a cyclist, who pushed through without a break from kindergarten to degrees from the University of California in chemistry and mathematics, which I used to get into medical school. That occupied my attention for the next 4 years, followed by a 4 year residency. The period from kindergarten through residency was devoted solely to education. At 30, I was done with school. So done. Could it be worse? Oh, yes - it could. As I approached my B.S. in chemistry, I had the best T.A. of my entire 4 undergraduate years, finishing his Ph. D. We bonded over reprehensibly sardonic senses of humor, and the shared quirk of owning a Schwinn Paramount. Mine was stock, but the most beautiful bike I've ever seen since, blistering white with chrome forks and hand-painted red pin striping (this was in 1970). His was chrome plated, which couldn't have helped with weight, but it did not matter. He finished his 5 year Ph. D. at the same time I got my B.S., and evidently decided that chemistry wasn't IT. I asked him "what's next then, huh?", and he told me he'd gotten into medical school, the same class I was entering. After 4 years of that he took an internship in Internal Medicine, moving on to an additional 2 years of residency. After those 3 years he decided that Internal Medicine wasn't IT, but Psychiatry just might be, and applied for a Psych residency. He had always been a magnet for the female of the species, generally holding down two women at once before polyamory was even a thing. He then decided that heterosexuality wasn't IT, and became bisexual, then entirely homosexual. He moved to San Francisco to open his Psychiatry practice, 2 blocks over from Castro St.. This was about 1982, just after HIV made it's pop-culture breakout. I think you can see where this leads.... He came to see me in 1983, on what I now realize was a "Good Bye" tour of his friends. So, Ollie - hold onto that Ph.D. and be suspicious of seeing "IT" just over the horizon.

Can't wait for team Sky's 3D printed TT bars to become commercially available.

24:00 overruled-super nice

Great show guys, one point though. Over ten years of study in chemistry was surely worth it just for the love of the science? My days at Uni were a great excuse to cycle around Bath and work in one of the best bike shops of the day, just under the railway station. Ahh happy days indeed

@oliverbridgewood3929

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i like to joke about it, but being able to learn and study a subject for a long period of time was really rewarding. I'm just a nerd at heart and would do it all again.

I'd like to think I played some small part in the triumphant return of the siren.

Well done Jon, Ollie. The UCI can say whatever they want all day long, it is all up to the retailer on whether or not they have the products in stock or if they even want to make specific products available to the public. In either case, everything available now is pretty damn good, what about just going for a ride and enjoying it ;-)

When are those Hunt wheels going to be available? You talked about the process but did not really talk about the Hunt brand. Would like to know more!

I can think of one product that the Pro has been using for years which we are unable to purchase: The Conti Pro LTD tubular tires.

I think a good point of making all equipments available for sale is that manufacturers would be able to buy components from others manufacturers, they will be able to study them and it may increase technology evolutions...

That music comes back!!!

Where this UCI ruling needs a lot more clarification is with prototypes. Manufacturers are literally always using teams as testing platforms. This rule would mean from first prototype to sale manufacturers only have a year which seems pretty insane to me.

The Raleigh gets my vote. The time invested in that and the outcome is amazing. Carbon forks with 1" steerer are getting harder and harder to find. He found one!

Gcn tech topic: will installing a disc brake compatble fork on a rim brake frame work? And brakes will be the cable actuated ones so you wont need to change your sti's. Thanks!

Rotating non-commercial parts to allow testing one or a few parts with the rest current commercial parts. This week tires, next week chains and cogs, etc. Alternately allow teams to pick the non-commercial components with the remainder current commercial. We get to know what's special.

Looks like we're getting competition tires!

Does anyone know what kind of carbon fork he chose for his 1" steerer Raleigh frame?

Go for patagonia or altiplano. After I showed my girlfriend the video about Matt and Emma in Spain, I was able to convince her to go on biketouring from Lisbon to sagres to Sevilla to Cordoba to Malaga!!!! Great inspiration!!!

watching this again hahaha! I missed this tandem!

What is a worm steer? Thanks

Does that Lotus bike have a 22mm quill stem? Not very aero - is it missing a fairing?

So much more on that wooden bike, the cabling was interior routed. The handlebars looked like it was from a machine in a fitness room, which I thought was inventive looking. The only thing i would change on it would be to put maple pedals on it!

The wood bike was one of the prettiest bicycle I have ever seen.

Not being a pro, I mostly care that the show looks great (a team with better tech is fair as long as it's the team that wins), and that it drives innovation.

these gp4000s limited will be on sale then?

You can get electrically heated clothing already from the usual chinese sources - just search for "heated vest/socks/gloves etc". There are some very thin cut ones that look like they'd work for cycling. Some of them even look good.

I hope this means that we will finally get the continental pro ltd

@phxrsx

5 жыл бұрын

I'd like a pro ltd clincher.

@terminusest1759

5 жыл бұрын

@@phxrsx that does Not make any sense, since Conti GP pro Ltd tubular tires Are regular Gp tubs with latex tubes. So Just put latex tubes in your clincher, and like magic you Will have Conti gp pro Ltd Clincher 😉

Is the caperon sold out on the gcn shop? All I can find on the website is something called an ‘apron’, is that just a typo?

@oliverbridgewood3929

5 жыл бұрын

they are spelling it incorrectly obvs!

@Wil.moyle19

5 жыл бұрын

Oliver Bridgewood . Well then sir it needs rectifying immediately if not sooner. I’d hate for you to be missing out on millions of £s in revenue through a simple typo

"...but my Tommy Gun don't!" Hahahaha, hilarious! I'm crying!

It is important that the tech used is real equipment that people can buy. First because it helps the biking economy. But more importantly it keeps people in touch with their sport. NASCAR used to be about cars that were available at dealer showrooms that teams bought and souped up for racing. When they switched to pure race cars scratch built with fiberglass bodies that resembled actual cars, the long slow decline in interest began.

UCI: that’s it these cyclist are getting out of hand look at their carbon! UCI 2019 rules: No more carbon , only steel is allowed and no integrated shifters

I guess buzzer is back because Jon wanted to make sure no one else can be RRINGING THE BELL and took it home

@JonCannings

5 жыл бұрын

Bingo.

Hi Jon! Hi Ollie! If I get both of you to respond, I'll die a happy man 😂 Great as always

@oliverbridgewood3929

5 жыл бұрын

Prepare to Die!

@simonknowles4267

5 жыл бұрын

Oliver Bridgewood........only half dead....come on Jon

@JonCannings

5 жыл бұрын

Death...

@cliffordromina3527

5 жыл бұрын

Oh come on.. Wish him to be happy, not to die.. 😂

@cbfedge5593

5 жыл бұрын

@@oliverbridgewood3929 crikey, Ollie, I'm 17! The day you grow up is the day I'll die 😂

A few people already mentioned this but the UCI rule can't put prices on these parts. So yes they can be "available" but what's stopping the brands from putting sky high price tags on the products ? New shoes .... 1 million dollars !

Great kick for industry

I'm wondering when Jon says to vote for bike of the week or whatever and points to "up there" to vote........where up there is? There's no up there on my laptop nor my Roku tv?

Comparative pricing.... in 1995 what did the top end Colnago Steel bike cost the punter to buy? Same price as a car then. Same price as a car now. status quo.

Is there any stipulation on the pricing - what's to stop a team from making some special compoment for their riders but only making it available for a completley unreasonable price (e.g. £2,000,000)? 🤔

I suggest the UCI implement a one bike rule for the three Grand Tours, no special TT bike or climbing bike. Allow each rider 3 bikes, of the same spec. Teams would then be more prudent and more mechanically sympathetic and the best all round rider would come out on top. Discuss. By the way, Bring back the cow bell.

How about 54 Shimano chainrings or SRAM???, would be great to have them available!

I think the UCI should have a homologation system like the FIA/FIM in so far that regardless of whether it's for sale or not that a manufacturer should produce a minimum quantity to qualify for competition.

As far as I know you can buy the German FES trackbikes. But if it is correct that they make them by hand according to the riders measurements I doubt they could deliver in 120 days.

For me, Ollie and Jon own the Tech show, just as Simon and Dan the GCN show. The new crew (Emma et al.) need to be sent on the missions, the more mental the better.

The commercial availability of professional teams' kit is presumably intended to achieve either or both of.... 1) keeping R'n'D budgets focused on things that are relevant do the consumer market 2) keeping professional races close enough to the rest of the cycling world to be interesting to cyclists, so maintaining viewing figures and sponsorship revenue

what about the continental pro ltd then?

What about specially modified cranks, for us really short people. I mod 170mm cranks down to 150mm, would this fall foul of UCI rules? Doesn't really matter to me as I don't race, but for a short racer it might.

Production of parts should be available before a event. Just like old car racing. At the end of a weekend. People on Monday could go to a dealership and by the same type of car that won yesterday’s race.

Corgi photobomb in the pink bike transformation pic!

Carbon spokes? Mavic R-SYS have been out for years I bought my pair back in 2008 and they still work great.

What about the Continental Competition Pro Limited? Can you actually buy those as a normal person?

2 thoughts. 1st bring the cow bell back the alarm is stupid. 2nd the UCI should hold a couple of races in which all bikes are identical and straight off the showroom. Only upgrade allowed would be tires. Most stock bike tires suck.

I can't even pick between the two upgrades. 😍 Bringing a Raleigh to the modern world in pure steel bliss or rocking a Red Hook inspired singlespeed? Impossible to choose.

Wood bike is just Nice because internal rear brake cable comes out the wrong side of the frame.

It is bad with rules that you only know in the future have been obeyed. Would we have to wait 1 year and 120 days after a race to announce the winner? And what if the rider was told that the the product would be marketed in the future, but the supplier failed to do so. Would the rider be disqualified though being in good faith?

@nickbea3443

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. how is this rule going to be implemented practically and what will be the penalties?

I found Ollie on LinkedIn. Wow. I never realized the extent of his education. I’d be interested to dive into some even more in depth “gcn does science” videos featuring him

@disafear3674

5 жыл бұрын

Whoaaaa, he's a chemistry person too, we share fields! That is cool as! No wonder he knew the chemistry lingo last week

Keep the buzzer!!!

What about equipment that's prototypes? Lots of manufacturers use the pros to test kit