2+ year sub here. Your heart is absolutely in the right place, as you want to help consumers make good decisions in a marketplace almost entirely built on dishonest marketing, but your repeated lack of research and good-faith effort to understand products as best you can has made me feel like your reviews are at as great a risk of being snake oil as the products themselves. Audio Engineering takes immense time, discipline, and self-reflection to get good at, so why would this not also be true of getting good with the tools we use? Why is it not snake oil to throw on a demo without reading the manual, casually fuck around with it for however long, and then declare a verdict? People consistently school you in the comments with information and context you should have already put the effort into learning, like the D and the P being separate products entirely. I was truly floored when you said the Plugin Alliance HG2MS was hard "IMPOSSIBLE TO USE!" Others found it wildly easy to use, and there's a manual that totally clarifies some of your critiques. It being "IMPOSSIBLE TO USE" for you is your fault, then, and it's my job as a consumer trying to be educated to hold that against you. Your mission with this channel is noble, honest, and truly helpful, so I wish you'd do your best to fulfill it instead of confusing the mediocrity of the review for the mediocrity of the product. This channel is close to being the best it can be. I encourage you to push yourself into living up to it.

@mitchminimal6942

Жыл бұрын

I enjoy watching WhireSea’s videos but they just one perspective on products that I’m curious about.

@st33Npuist

Жыл бұрын

This.

@bringyourownheart

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@Newerasamearea

Жыл бұрын

He's catering to the crowd that dive in and dont read manuals, of which we are many. If he read the manual and became more than a novice user or took a more scientific approach then his videos wouldnt be unique, would miss his target audience (which was untapped hence why hes gathererd a large following) and would compete with a zillion other reviewers. This way he is in his own lane. Hes also testing UI intuitives...which be definition is only good if you dont need the manual. Its counter intuitive to a lot of techies who take their time to learn things but many bedroom producers dont do that and many producers like myself value workflow over sonic perfection becuase we know that good decision velocity is a huge factor in sonic quality. He won't always get it right but thats the sacrifice he makes in the name of the values hes promoting and catering to his target audience. He is the opposite of snake oil. Snake oil is disingenuous selling of a product you either don't need or that is oversold. He deliberately detaches himself from software company marketing discourse and even free licences (prefers to.use demo) all in an effort to remain impartial and empathise with the user experience as much as possible. Its the opposite to snake oil. If you want an alternative experience then supplement your viewing with the in depth reviews out there including from the developers. These hit the spot for me. I dont always agree with him (eg i loved the transient shaper he didnt like last week) but his episode production quality is trustworthy, i can skip to the testing and within 5mins decide if i like it or not. Not many other vids offer that ease of use.

@tobytodelafontena

Жыл бұрын

I just think that all the bullshit this industry gives us repeatedly for eating with no shame at all, largely deserves such treatment. Even if he can sometimes lack in-depth knowledge of the plugin, he is fair with his concept. In-depth reviews or tutorials are not the purpose of these videos, precisely.

It's interesting to see a guy like Michael Brauer when he moved his whole stepup in the box. He doesn't feel like he's missing ANYTHING from his outboard gear and it radically simplifies his job. But it's interesting to see that he often has to rig together two, three, five completely unrelated plugins to get the exact flavor of the analog gear he's replacing. An analog EQ is also a compressor, and an analog compressor is also an EQ, and they're both also adding saturation, and if you want to EXACTLY match the behavior of that equipment you have to get all of those individual details right too.

@christianschneider1706

Жыл бұрын

Brauer has like a wall of outboards thou. He switched his 9000 console to a Avid mixer and PA 9000 channel strip. He still uses his very own hardware bus style on everything. And those racks are insane. Like my girlfriends. 😁🤚🏻🎤

@joaoandre_bass

Жыл бұрын

@@christianschneider1706 not anymore, he has sold most of it m. Check pure mix tutorial whit his explanation.

@christianschneider1706

Жыл бұрын

@@joaoandre_bass pretty sure that that was because of what the industry has become more than he prefers software sonically. Today mixers get 1/15 of that they got even a few years ago, it has to be done fast and be recallabe without any cost. But I’m sure his itb Template sounds amazing. I would never hire a mixer because of his or hers gear, only the ears and experience. And perhaps racks, as my girlfriends. 🤚🏻🎤

@joaoandre_bass

Жыл бұрын

@@christianschneider1706 it’s easier and sonically competitive. Cheaper, consumes less electricity, and of course for a mixer to get his kind of gear in this day and age and still make a profit would be near to impossible. If a lot of the classics made it into the box, why would I go the opposite route. He now mixes in his house, doesn’t need a tech on staff and one assistant is enough. It is what it is.

@gammakeraulophon

Жыл бұрын

@@christianschneider1706 Yeah.. I keep my girlfriends on racks also.

the 232D is not emulating the Bettermaker Mastering EQ, it is emulating the long discontinued 232P. The Mastering Equalizer has some similarities but is not the same. Part of what makes the pultec section on this EQ nice is the Passive filter circuitry with solid state make-up gain. The biggest draw of this box was the total package, the way all the filters work together has a sound of its own. It's clean and punchy with a lot of flexibility. I used to own it until I bought the Mastering EQ, and this plugin recreation has basically achieved very close to the hardware sound, if not a bit better because i found the analog 232p's filters a bit noisy.

@alfredgrupstra

Жыл бұрын

I always wonder like people talk about circuits like in analog gear, but you can call it any name, it stays digital!

@Rareos

Жыл бұрын

@@alfredgrupstra I was describing the circuit in the hardware.

@zizjaturtle2703

Жыл бұрын

@@alfredgrupstra Because it's a digital replication of an analog circuit as opposed to just digital. Everyone and their cat understands that, why can't you? Obsessed much?

@alfredgrupstra

Жыл бұрын

@@zizjaturtle2703 As I said, I just wondered, not that I didn't understand it. But when you think about it it stays digital, how many saturators you use to create an analog vibe doesn't maka it analog. My DAW still has to convert it to analog sound.

@chris-rb7bm

Жыл бұрын

well lets hope Dirk watches this and now releases the mastering eq and dynamics!

My reason to use it: It sounds good. :)

@psychootband

Ай бұрын

Yeah, you can boost a lot with this EQ without it sounding harsh

I like the plugin very much. I only use hardware synths & drum machines for my music and I have specific saturation plugins with every synth and even with some of my favourite handcrafted sounds and for me that's where the magic is. The combination of the EQ curves with my own chosen saturation types is what makes this plugin the perfect tool. I feel this is more of a producers sound shaping tool then a mix engineers tool, but it can be used both ways.

I’ve got this plug-in and really enjoy it.on a master. It gives me a clean pultec style with all 4 bands in one plug-in. It’s great for making big, broad tonal changes by ear only after I’ve used Pro-Q3 for corrective EQ. The quirky interface works for me in this context. I think it forces me into a different brain space. It also just sounds good.

i tend to grab the bettermaker occasionally for the airband, even though i can match the curves anytime with fabfilter. but sometimes it's just faster to hit the bettermaker.

As a dance music producer who cooks the the shit out of every channel and bus way before it gets summed at the master. It's actually pretty cool to have a clean Pultec for shaping.

@mysteriousstranger9496

Жыл бұрын

@@MDMvision not necessarily... all these concepts are relative and I'm talking about dance music records, which need to be hot as hell.

@andreasveith6681

Жыл бұрын

But you have the same opportunities doing the same with Pro-Q3 or any other digital parametric eq, or am I missing something?

@mysteriousstranger9496

Жыл бұрын

@@andreasveith6681 Sure if you want to take the extra time to finesse the eq curves, but that's a lot of faff when I can just use this.

@cassetteo

Жыл бұрын

@@mysteriousstranger9496 not with Kirchhoff EQ, it has filter shapes from outboard eq’s pre set you can choose from. So your tracks look like a block waveform since everything is so hot?

@mysteriousstranger9496

Жыл бұрын

@@cassetteo Is that the new PA one? No don't be ridiculous. No doubt pushed more that the average viewer here though.

In many cases I receive tracks that have the right amount (or too much) saturation and does not need any more....but I do want the Pultec curve. That's where I use it.

Just started using this plugin today. Love it 👌

I listened to a video of Andrew Scheps explaining that he likes the clean version of the UAD Pultec (no tube emulation) because the tube version (hardware) was negatively impacting the low end for some material. So there is an advantage.

@lassorb4752

Жыл бұрын

Yeah ofc… you dont always want coloration

I got the chance to try in an educators session this EQ & honestly except for the GUI I really like it. It brings a lot to my in the box processing. Since I haven't been able to invest in hardware. The interesting thing for me is that we have the Active & Passive circuits. Prob the magic is that you can push it without the distortion, that let's us take advantage of the several stages of selecting your distortion or saturation. So pushing into your preferred saturation? That's what I've been doing, since I still don't think digital should be thought as analog. Always interesting videos. ❣️

I use the Bettermaker, this are just tools. After years of mixing all analog, i am glad to have good tools and so many good options to tackle a complex or simple mix ITB. Thank you programers & companies that make this tools. They make my job easier, make my clients happier , Lets me provide for my family and spend more time with them! it's all about the music and the end goal.

I actually use this plugin, sometimes on kick drums, most of the times on synth bass. I think the curves can be a bit weird, but I didn't check with the doctor.

It’s about interaction with each curve that is unique. I’m far from a PA fanboy, but this is a cool plugin. Picked it up for 15 bucks on a sale. If you’re going to test, do some actual testing instead of rushing out videos for more views.

👇 slate's FGX-2

I literally used this plugin a piano track 20 minutes ago. It gave it fantastic width, depth and clarity. I think Edmund Catlin (below) may have hit the nail on the head.

The hardware version is clean as well. That’s the point of it. Pultec curves without the color.

I tested this a long time ago as a Pultec on the mixbus and it suited the material i was working with so well i bought it. It's about the only EQ plugin i have or will buy that doesn't model harmonics. It models the older 232P model not the new mastering eq. They actually got it real close, it's just the soundstage is a tiny bit smaller (typical of plugins), but i really like the soft but tight sounding curves when used subtlely. It has an air, openess and sheen to it. I did try to get close with a normal digital eq, but it was too much messing about at the time. I do appreciate accurately modelled curves, but there is no way i am going to keep paying for that when i can just make a preset on a good digital eq. This one slipped the net a while back, and that's also because of PluginAlliance's sales and vouchers.

Its funny you mention Dan Worall - I was actually going to mention him. He actually did have something to say about this. He has an analog one. Essentially, the magic is in the curves…and more specifically how easy it is to arrive at the curves with the interface. I’ll try to sum up his point: programming a similar curve in FF ProQ3 or equivalent will likely lead to second guessing oneself. “Are you SURE you want to add X DB of gain to that frequency?” Since the frequency response can actually look really haphazard on a modern graphical user interface. I can remember him saying something like, “meanwhile, the bettermaker congratulates you on a job well done, and tells you want a fantastic engineer you are”. Also about the tubes: there are some people who prefer solid state pultec style eqs to the tube ones…they claim the tube versions dull the transients and can do certain things to low end. I suppose an option would be nice

@sebguyader

Жыл бұрын

I think I heard Andrew Scheps saying that he likes transistor-based pultecs better than the originals.

@erewrw1906

Жыл бұрын

there we go, i thought it sounded special. in same time it sounds very clean, i especially got a short wow, mhh moment with the bass bost knob. i ususally need to sleep over it to conclude.

“You listening Harrison?” I’m dead 💀

Love your videos bruv! You know your shizz and are super funny speaking truths and poking holes in some of these advertisements! Love your side by side comparisons too my dude, keep em coming! Would love to know how you'd go about mastering Drum'N'Bass/Dubstep style music and what plugins or hardware you'd think to reach for automatically considering all the heavy bass frequencies you'd want to delicately control and enhance... in my dreams haha!

I love this plugin I don't think they make the hardware version anymore, which hails from Poland, the hardware came with its own software which controlled the hardware settings, similar to the Tegeler. You've been really busy uploading these videos, nice one.

@maddietourmaline46

Жыл бұрын

I love this thing so much, I've considered getting the hardware secondhand, but the plugin works perfectly in most cases. It's best in my opinion in M/S mode, with a little bit of a low cut and presence boost on the side channels to add a gentle amount of width and volume. How do you use it?

@clivehunte3026

Жыл бұрын

@@maddietourmaline46 Wow! go for it, I wish I could afford even a 2nd version of the Bettermaker. I use the software version to tighten up the bottom end of my mix by attenuating and boosting the PEQ section. I still use the Pultec EQ by Waves sometimes, one which the Bettermaker was based on.

I already have a supple bottom and classic curves.

@Whiteseastudio

Жыл бұрын

Touché

I suppose it's possible for hardware through all those various components to imprint some unusual characteristics where as in digital it's only there if you program it to be there.

Great video , but the plug is different from the hardware you compared it to, they no longer make the hardware version of the plugin which is why I think they made it into a plugin , nevertheless you brought up great points about the plugin!

I been using this for over a year and it lives on my master buss. Here the thing, I have so many analog saturation style plugins that add color to my tracks... maybe to many analog things adding flavor. So for me a clean eq that is doing m/s on overall mix in a clean way adding that has bold bass on the bottom and a pristine highon top is needed. I used to use a pultec on master with everything sounded like the 70's over saturated thick goop. Modern music needs to have clarity and punch with warmth. unless your looking for that old fart rock and disco sound of the 70's then by all means a real pultec is in order. But if your rockin modern music then mixing up clean tones like grace, gulfoss, avalon and bettermaker help keep a balance

@musiccreation1198

Жыл бұрын

You took the words right out of my mouth.

@MACRONOne

Жыл бұрын

It's a great EQ, regardless.

@carlosp.1846

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@TheDanielShepherd

Жыл бұрын

But, can't you just do the same with Fab Filter?

@jocke1972

Жыл бұрын

Then use your stock DAW eq

I use this on drum buss sometimes, if I want to subtly shape the overall character of the drums to fit the song. Or sometimes to bend a clean-sounding female vocal in to shape. But yes - the controls are just weird and confusing. I keep accidentally changing the wrong band.

Where is the link to Sweetwater, I can’t find it on the video, home page, or your website. I want you to get something for my purchases. Thanks

I really like the analog version in my mastering chain, since it's midi controllable and makes recalling super easy. Also the hardware is really solid. It's clean, but I like shaping the bottom end with it. But I also don't understand why you need to copy the controls to the plugin. I have the plugin from the PA subscription, but I never use it.

From what I understand, the transformers are actually where most of the Pultec's sound comes from (other than the actual EQ section, obviously), and the tube makeup stage is actually very clean. A well designed, clean gain stage is going to be pretty much the same whether it's tube or solid state, the differences don't really show unless you're overdriving it and unless I'm wrong the pultec sound isn't really coming from overdriving anything, it's mostly about the topology of the EQ and the sonic footprint of the inductors and transformers. I could definitely be off base on that, though.

I agree with the carpal tunnel problem. I think the the place where this differs from fab filter and other ‘clean’ ones is better maker is using complex curves achieved by boosting and cutting the same band. Accurately emulating pultec curves is a stunt if they have done it.

You are wrong, they doesnt made EQ Hardware unit anymore, that ones in xyour video its different unit as plugin bro ;) On Bettermaker website is only Mastering EQ and no other, just a plugin

What about all the Weiss gear from Softube that literally uses the same digital algorithms as the outboard gear but doesn‘t use AD/DA converters? So if you use digital in and outs the plugins and the hardware should exactly sound the same with an almost 20 times price difference. Weiss even promotes the plugin on their website.

If you dig into the interface of the Bettermaker, it's an excellent-sounding tool but, In the "pultec war plugins", Acustica audio - purple 3.5 has by far the edge, but it's CPU-hungry

I have the two 500 series of these EQs and they are so good and clean sounding that now I own the actual full hardware unit. I can say it is a unique eq that sounds amazing, that is why plugin alliance decided to do a recreation. I tried the plugin and although it is cool, it does not come close to the sound capabilities of the hardware. That is why it was in the mastering chain of Luca Pretolesi for a while. You can see videos of him using it. One thing bro, is that the hardware unit you showed at the beginning is not the same EQ. 🤙

I wanna hear that Pultec Clone, I’ve been looking into some Pultec’s and clones so any information would help

The tube style pultecs can leave the bass feeling wooly and insubstantial. The bettermaker version can do the pultec bass boost and attenuation trick without losing the solid sub. It may be a bit of a one trick pony, but at €24.99 it’s not a bad trick.

I’m going to record you saying “Lush, supple bottom” and use it as my text tone. Thanks 👍🏼

Wow, another Empress happy user ! Did you plan to post a review of this marvelous unit ?

Would be nice if you did more in depth reviews using plugindoctor to see what it actually does

A plugin id like you to test os the new ozone elements 10, personally im very disappointing in izotope on its release. They stripped of almost an control compared to previous elements versions.

I like this plugin it’s pretty much a pultec ....with a few extra features ..... it’s got a nice high pass filter as well

you should review the mag eq from plug in alliance and use a 4k display just to show how ridiculous the non scaling plug in is. its hilarious they still haven't updated it.

Bettermaker no longer manufactures the EQ232P it’s since been replaced by a newer model. So the plugin makes since.

so i didnt got, why you dont like the design of it? i find it great to watch at and clear to understand. i hate it, when people talk something down, but cant explain why. lol ... well i use the bettermaker for some time, this thing is awesome.

Unexpected results in your video, to be sure! I agree the true-to-the-hardware options can feel restrictive in the modern mixing environment (though I myself love the GUI's knobs and buttons) but the filters do sound different to me from other EQ's (including the Kirchoff, which is one of the brightest-sounding EQ's I have), particularly at the low end -- in fact, this is one of various EQ's I use almost exclusively when working at the low frequencies. Additionally, like others commenting here, I've found the broad bell settings to be very 'flattering' and 'creamy' when pushing thin-sounding mids, and compliments more surgical work with a fully parametric EQ. Now I feel like mixing something, ha ha 😊

I'm trying it now and like it. I wanted it for the low end and wasn't getting the results I wanted from the Pultec section until I used the eq1 section in conjunction with it. This works for me and I am sold. Going to buy it...

I got this after a year of PA MEGA sub, and despite all listed in the video I've done a lot of good mixes with this thing. UI is not the best, but I use it for 1-2 cases, which are my presets.

I think in the end there is no magic or sauce in the machine. It exists because the hardware was discontinued, and it's liked because the workflow just clicked for the people who used the hardware or who like procedure. After all, it's predictable - not a lot of options to choose from for curves and frequencies. My favorite thing about it is probably also the most tedious thing about it, which is adjusting each section in order, A/Bing it, and moving to the next one.

One way to get around all the mouse clicking is to use your mouse wheel or something that triggers a mouse wheel scroll. I have a knob mapped on my Loupedeck Live that controls vertical mouse scroll, and that gets around all the clicking.

@maddietourmaline46

Жыл бұрын

I think in this case the problem is that a lot of the settings (frequencies and bandwidths particularly) are adjusted by pressing “increase” and “decrease” momentary buttons. I think that this was chosen because the hardware unit is designed to be entirely MIDI-controllable, and also there didn't need to be infinite frequency selection in a Pultec-style EQ

As someone who works only in the box, this comes in handy when I work on dense and impactful mixes (modern metal with various layers of synths and samples). I was never able to make other pultec emulations work as I needed them to work in my mixbus, meanwhile, this always did the job (to be fair Softube's tube tech one made it too sometimes). Funny enough I blamed for years the fact that most pultec vst do not get close to the sound of the UAD one (which was the first one I saw used many years ago in the studio with my band) and I didn't have access to it, but now I had Spark for a while and guess what? I simped UAD too much for nothing because their pultec never made it in my mixes to this date, not even on a simple channel. Is it squeaky clean and without character? Yes Do I care? No, and probably this is the reason why it actually works perfectly for my ears. If it sounds good it's good for me and considering that you pay 29/39€ for it if you are patient enough I would not ask for more from it. Yeah, surely the UX is questionable and this kind of UI has no sense or justification in the digital domain except for marketing purposes... but I am happy with it anyway.

@erewrw1906

Жыл бұрын

nice, i also didnt like most other pultec emus.

I don't get stuff like this. Why should I get this? What does this do that a fully parametric EQ can't do? I like some of the PA's stuff but they make all these knob EQ's that are totally unappealing in the digital realm. Why do I want to turn knobs with a mouse on a computer screen? Help me understand.

Dude you’re looking at the wrong hardware counterpart! That’s like trying a sontec 250 plugin and looking at a sontec 432.

So it's a digital EQ with a cool backstory. Just like the founding fathers at Waves intended.

@ethangregorymusic

Жыл бұрын

"You get all the finicky control of our analogue setup without ANY of the character!" Sign me up

Thank you for the review! I appreciate your alternative reviews of Gear and Plugins because mostly(but not always) each new Do-Dad receives 4 1/2 to 5 stars on the company websites(again it's a free World rate freely as well!). A little grit in the "review machinery" makes Life interesting. I may or may not agree with everything presented but I'm glad you're there. I do read manuals, but initial impressions without a manual are also valid(for me). Quality and getting the Job done in a timely manner are important. Best wishes.

9:38 when you have the video playing on your iPad while looking at your phone and you name is actually Harrison 😅

@INeedsMoneys

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

Buen video, gracias!

I have it and use it for stem mastering, on the mix bus - it honestly does the job fine! The interface is a bit confusing I'll admit, but nothing to Ultrabeat lol - anyway I like it, just as well because I've got it already ;-) Yes I'm back ;-)

Yes it's a quick way to get the filter shapes. That's why i bought it

all those new Trident EQs are exactly like this, just curves the CEO said. He didn't say that all the EQs cramped on the high end though.

You have to say Dan Worrall's name three times before he will appear. 😅

@DanWorrall

Ай бұрын

I was delayed, sorry.

Perhaps using your ears instead and you might just get it at the end 🙂. I've had the hardware unit (old 232P) and now have the plugin... love the sound signature of this plugin @96kHz -64bit float ... and to my ears it sounds great. Super thanks for the review but I think you need to do more research into the stuff you're talking about in give it some time in use so to really get the vibe... and as with the analog gear there is a sweet spot in the plugins but sometimes much more narrower comparing to HW so extensive use is the only way, otherwise you might end-up by just ''not getting it'' 🙂. Love from Finlandia🤍.

I dunno on PA stuff. A lot of people who know more than me like some of the plugins emulating analog effects and tools. I just like the synth emulations (besides the guitar ones, never even tried because everyone hates those and I'm more interested in synthesizers anyways) and the Unfiltered Audio plugins, which focus on doing weird, creative things instead of copying any sort of physical gear. And have more simple and practical names than most plugins I have encountered. Tails is a reverb, G8 is a gate, Byome is a multi-effect that can do some really complex things. And Lion is their synth that true to the name can make all kinds of angry, loud, terrible sounds when you're outside of a musical sweet spot.

For mastering, engineers like lurssen are using modified gear to get the least amount of distortion...

It sounds amazing, it's got a very pretty top end and damn the bass is thick. If your source is great of course haha

When are you going to test some Overlouds pkugins?

I would imagine the argument for a plugin like this would be if you want a clean EQ that "suggests" Pultec style curves which you might not as easily gravitate towards on the complete freedom of a graphical EQ like fabfilter? I believe if that is the intention, it still completely shoots itself in the foot with the poor UI design, as well as being awkward to click around it is also hard to read the knob "positions" at a glance because of the stupid choice of emulating the look of white LEDs against a black and silver background. But you've got to remember these plugins from PA are really only worth at most $25 anyway with the pricing/sales tactic of PA, any prices shown higher than that only really exist to drive up interest when it is inevitably on sale. Really we know what's going on here is that "Bettermaker" is a good name to cash in on with the "analogue plugin in the box" hype, right?

It's really good eq

WEISS DID THE SAME THING WITH THERE HARDWARE MASTERING UNITS, MADE ACCURATE REPRODUCTIONS IN PLUGIN FORM FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST. I APPRECIATED IT.

The instrumental is dope

It's the best sounding pultec style plugin anyway.

Why don't you use Plug-in Doctor these plugins?

@queenpurple8433

Жыл бұрын

He gave a reasoning a few videos back but I still wish he’d show plugin doctor

@like-icecream

Жыл бұрын

hey there time traveller

@ethangregorymusic

Жыл бұрын

Because we can all use Plugin Doctor, and if you don't have money for it, you can use Bertom EQ Curve Analyzer. Boring content to sit on too long, I imagine he tries.

@richertz

Жыл бұрын

I did and I can tell you this plug-in is crap it does nothing a basic EQ cannot

@aviatedviewssound4798

Жыл бұрын

@@richertz the pultec section is where it shines.

Mike Dean loved it :D

I think the reason /rationale is that it has the interactive pultec styled eq bands where the neighbouring bands interact with each other in that pultec way but they've not modelled the tube saturation. The lack of these harmonics is a benefit as "they" see it. Not everyone wants to hear additional harmonics. Sometimes that aesthetic can sound overcooked. I don't always like the analog treatments on my work. I do agree with your assessment that this is not the correct interface for this kind of plugin. It would be better to have graphical controls and the option to dial in the harmonics to taste. That would be the best of both worlds. Great observations as usual. I agree they've missed the point with this one.

The Plugin just sounds good… not on any source, but on most pop/Electronic tracks it adds some nice colour to the signal …

@AlexLapugean

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by color? Usually people refer to saturation as color, but this plugin has absolutely no saturation, it adds no harmonics. The only "special" thing it does do is to use Pultec like curves (if you use the P-EQ section of course), the other EQ bands are calssic bell shapes.

@jensoettrich762

Жыл бұрын

@@AlexLapugean ja I know all this. But whatever … it just sounds good on certain material.

@AlexLapugean

Жыл бұрын

@@jensoettrich762 I know, I have the plugin, bought it some time ago. Precisely because I wanted a pulltec eq, without the distorsion. Those curves are very useful in some case, regardless if you can replicate them pro q3 for example, you reach those results faster with this.

@lassorb4752

Жыл бұрын

It adds no colour 😂

I agree 4:36 a plugin that wastes your time figuring out how it works (we are talking about an EQ) is practically useless IMHO!

Disabling normalization - when and why (1/4): - while listening to whole albums (never met with a case when I listened to the whole album on streaming service that enabling normalization gave me better listening experience, actually always worse - Tidal user here) - when using lots of sound enhancers due to low quality headphones/DACs in phones (that way the sound gets very sensitive on any subtle changes in chain and normalization is like another plugin in the chain which is not fully "transparent" - so it doesn't affect only volume, but sound as well to some extent)

@---pp7tq

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2/4 This specific limiter applied by streaming service is not hardcoded in the file by sound engineer. He cannot the final sound result. It always sounds random to some extent from an engineer perspective, because every service have it implemented a bit different, though with the same goal, but still, ilufs values for various services are different. But engineer doesn't have a preview of the final result of such normalization. You can only cause the service to increase or decrease volume by changing volume on your side, but you cannot hear the final result on every single service after normalization. It differs, and not only from a volume perspective - it also affects the sound.

@---pp7tq

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3/4 Loudness is more or less equal for the whole album for most tracks, so they do not require further normalization by streaming services. It almost always degrades sound quality. It's good that they at least take for consideration, that we listen to album and normalization is less aggressive.

@---pp7tq

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4/4 Normalization is only useful for people who listen various tracks from various albums one by one, and here with normalization, most music "should" sound the same in matter of loudness, to not stand out. I can imagine very specific case of using normalization for whole albums when it really sounds better for you in specific case of configuring EQ, enhancers on specific sound system. Nothing more

9:36 sheeeeeeeeeesh, that hit the spot :D

Honestly I think the 232 sounds way better than the analog one (in this case). I'd rather have the cleaner EQ (I don't think it's sluggish, it just doesn't sound compressed more true to the original actually) and add another saturation of my choice and have total flexibility. Actually I think that is one of the main weaknesses of hardware, it works or it doesn't, and I've seen mastering engineers switch through five different expensive analog EQ's to see what works (spending like 10+ minutes on that alone) and I just don't see the reason for that anymore. Honestly IF I was to get me some hardware it would be a very flexible piece of gear like the SPL Iron. I agree with some points though, I think it should have the option of adding some unique saturation that also compresses a little, and yeah the original is very clean, but not as clean as their "emulation".

Sounds like your losing some dynamics in the plug in , and it sounds whey more flat compared to the the real thing .

the ui gives me ball ache, but it is interesting sounding.

Well.... Same thing happens with the Weiss Mastering compressor /limiter and EQ. Which is the EXACTLY same code cause the hardware is digital. And the gear cost $5k and the plugin $300.

Just a suggestion... but maybe start using some of the presets from the manufacturers so we can hear what THEY wanted us to hear... it would make evaluating these things a lot easier from a viewer's perspective. Cheers.

It’s very subtle, but the plug-in has a deadness to it. The plug-in Doesn’t sound bad, just not really grabbing the frequencies in the same way.

It's hit or miss on certain material. It's a good option to have for adding weight or smooth highs. Again, it's hit or miss.

Was looking for a stab at Harrison, not disappointed lmao

It has a "big, clean, bottom" though.

I really don't understand why you think that the fact that 90% of top mastering and mixing engineers don't look at the -1dBTP recommendation is a symptom of people wanting everything to be louder. That's not the case. -1dBTP is to compensate for crappy lossy codecs, so it doesn't make sense in the long run, as we are seeing how we are moving towards better codecs and even lossless audio streaming. I think that any good engineer would agree that our goal is to make the best possible sounding music, and we find that in some genres that's -10 LUFS and in others it's -6, and then the job of making everything sound at similar level is on the provider side, hence the -14/16 LUFS normalization.

Thank you Harrison for making yourselves public enemy #1 of the ITB audio community. 😂

@erewrw1906

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this one is not from harrison i believe

@Arkayem

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@@erewrw1906 That's not the point, he mentions Harrison in the video.

@Mansardian

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​@@Arkayem Yes, he did that before. I love it each time he does it😄

I own this plugin and like it but much prefer the UAD Pultecs. Also, the low end on your hardware EQ was 🙌🏼🔥

It’s just a normal clean Pultec simulation, like the UAD Pultec legacy version, no THD, only the curve. Somehow I like the clean Pultec better when it comes to plugins, cuz no plugins come close to the real Tube Pultec yet, they always sounded too dirty, so the clean ones are actually more useful.

I think what I often think about (not only) PAs plugins, it's mainly here to make money. Big names sell better than 'hey, this is our own xyz eq plugin'.

You need merch with "What's The Sauce" now.

I too like the inconvenience of not being able to control it with keyboard and mouse shortcuts.

I don’t really get why your first thought is to dis something that you apparently don’t understand (checking Thomann for the wrong unit).You can keep comparing plugins to hardware, but they will never be the same. Heck, not even two analog units will ever be the same. However, this plugin is a very good approach of the original hardware unit and they put a lot of effort in making it as good as and maybe even better than the original. The interface is just like the unit also. I would like a more positive approach, the people from plugin alliance aren’t pannenkoeken.

I just sent your video to Marek THE Bettermaker guy. I hope he can input something interesting for the dialog. Stay cool Wytse!

@st33Npuist

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The only thing he will do is pressing DELETE mail.

@juanchis.investigadorsonoro

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@@st33Npuist he is a nice guy. We actually talked about the video, as stated before met him last year when we has demoing this plugin for educators.

@st33Npuist

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@@juanchis.investigadorsonoro Nice

I tried it, can't use it because of stupid UI. Really, this is exact opposite of what is supposed to be intuitive interface.

8:00 lol i think its cool to compare them but im just Wiggly like that lol

There's something missing from the plugin vs the hardware, the plugin is sounding sterile, in comparison too the hardware. am I wrong or something?

@erewrw1906

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yes the saturation is very low, its a very clean plugin, however something in the sound i liked. and im just very unshure what i heard. someone mentioned it has a special eq-kurve.. probably its that. overall i liked the bass-knobs sound. Analoge imitations for bass are often not the best, i only use analoge imitations on the higher frequencies. So this might fill that gap, atleast to a degree.. Of corse analoge is always king. But yeah, not tooo bad this bassknob.. it kinda made the bass unusual big ? so hard to describe this nuance i believe i heard. Need to sleep over this.