Excellent Father and God bless you+++! +Fr. James M.

A very honest an productive video addressing this facinating topic. Thank you for the clarity on this subject Fr Maggos.

@annunciationorthodox

7 ай бұрын

We appreciate it, thank you! The next episode in this series is due out this week!

OMG, did you get a boom mike?!? Sounds great on the TV . Με πολλή αγάπη

This is generally a very good video. I appreciate the thoroughness. Although one thing I wish was mentioned, which I think is a bigger concern than we often give it credit for, is the fact that most contemporary protestant clergy have stopped wearing this kind of collar, and it is now largely associated with catholic clergy. This comes with the added baggage that the Roman catholic church’s scandals have brought to the public perception of Roman catholic clergy. I fear that our clergy wearing clothing that codes them as Roman Catholic priests is often more damaging to public perception than being mistaken for a Jewish or Muslim minister, because a lot of people view Roman Catholic priests as inherently dangerous. I’m not saying that’s necessarily a fair perception, but I think it is a very common perception.

Impartial, informative, solid.

@annunciationorthodox

Ай бұрын

Appreciated! Thank you!

@OutWestRedDirt

22 күн бұрын

No such thing as impartial.

Thank you for the wonderful videos Abouna! I'm so happy to have found your channel!

@annunciationorthodox

11 ай бұрын

Welcome!

My bad. I see the lapel mike now. But that works really well

I have to disagree, father. I'm very traditional when it comes to Orthodoxy. This cannot be justified. Remember the Holy Fathers of Mount Athos. They will never, ever fall into this.

The collar has nothing whatever to do with Orthodox. No Orthodox priest should wear it. It is not Orthodox, never was. This is assimilation, and Christ’s Church is not assimilating to the world. Christ calls us to be separate from the world. It is truly sad that a man claiming to be an Orthodox priest would try to excuse this. This is ecumenism at work. Plain and simple.

@grizzlyrebel1256

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

I was a bit surprised to meet an Orthodox deacon who wore the white collar. I guess any Orthodox clergy can wear it?

As a general "rule" or convention (not a dogma) for any denomination, the major clergy (patriarchs, archbishops/metropolitans, bishops, pastors, deacons) could wear the Cross in gold-tone on a chain of matching tone. Ideally, and in case of the need for emergency ministry by major clergy; patriarchs, metropolitans/archbishops and bishops could always wear an omophorion/pallium, pastors an epitrachelion/neck stole and deacons an orarion/shoulder stole, all of the liturgical color and all cinctured or with a zone of the liturgical color except the cincture/zone of a patriarch being always red except being purple for martyrs' or prophets' days and a metropolitan/archbishop being always purple except being blue during Great Lent. The minor clergy (acolytes, exorcists/intercessors, lectors/readers/cantors/choir and ostiaries/ushers) could wear the Cross in silver-tone on a cord of liturgical color. Laity could wear the Cross in wood or brown on a cord of liturgical color. Alternately, laity could also wear the Cross in silver-tone on a cord of liturgical color while minor clergy could wear an additional Cross hanging lower, suspended by a cord of purple for Chalice acolytes, red for incense and candle acolytes, blue for water acolytes/minor exorcists/intercessors, white for Patten/Diskos acolytes, yellow for lectors/cantors/choir and green for ostiaries/ushers.

@claesvanoldenphatt9972

9 ай бұрын

If you knew about GOARCH mode, you’d know that only priests awarded Protopresbyter (recently added: ‘of the Ecumenical Throne’) are allowed to wear any pectoral cross at all, besides (oddly) Greek Orthodox seminarians who wear a lightweight cross of a specific style and make to identify them as students of Holy Cross Hellenic College. Deacons in no Eastern Orthodox jurisdiction wear any kind of cross, and most Greek Orthodox priests are not allowed to. Nor are they allowed to hear confessions or even preach, unless and until their ruling bishop (called in GOA parlance Metropolitan) awards them the right and says a specific blessing over them. Greek orthodox suppositions of minority status are filtered through their long habituation to status under hostile Ottoman Turkish domination, and the assumption of a surplus of untrained clergy unqualified to interpret the Gospel or hear confession, in an environment chock full of monastic elders and learned Bishops. The actual situation in America is of course the opposite in all regards.

This was something I wondering about. I was just thinking about this too. I've always liked the collar because it represents being yoked with Christ. I love this channel. Very educational.

@annunciationorthodox

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Lutherans wear them too

That picture could also be Amish.

They shouldn’t. Orthodox priests shouldn’t wear a white collar. It’s not our tradition it shouldn’t be done. Everything else is excuses for not wearing the cassock when one should.

If Greek Orthodox priests seriously worry about being mistaken in traditional garb for moslems, they should start wearing conspicuous pectoral crosses along with the cassock and beard. At the very least it might spark conversation. By what strange application of discipline should ordained clergy of priestly rank be forbidden to wear a cross? I am very much aware of historical traditions among the Greek clergy but if you argue that the Protestant Parson’s collar is a suitable adaptation unique to American church life so as to present as a Christian minister (and thereby be mistaken for Episcopalian, very flattering), why not take the more straightforward route by wearing a cross that only priests can? It’s been the norm for a quarter of a millennium in Russia. Very few Orthodox clergy outside the Greek Archdiocese wear ‘the collar’. No priest in the Old World wears this Protestant preacher’s collar which was adopted by Catholics to fit into America in the face of hostile anticlerical Protestants in the XIX c. Arguing as the Father here does that assimilation to Protestant norms is the way to do evangelism in America is of course the Greek Archdiocese party line and he’s sworn to uphold it in all its ideological details. The Greek Orthodox ideology of assimilation derives from the continuing status of the Head of the Greek church resident of Istanbul. The centuries-long captivity of the Ecumenical Patriarchate in the Phanar disposes this attitude of kowtowing to a violent antiChristian authoritarianism such as obtains in Türkiye where it is illegal to express Orthodoxy on the street or ring a church bell. As it is illegal for clergy to wear the traditional cassock (αντερί) and ryassa (εχορασσον) on the street in Türkiye, they are quite happy to abjure it in America even though it will attract no negative attention here and now and can be argued to be a good tool of evangelism in a marketplace of religion that is American secular society. Greek priests would rather appear as Protestant ministers and their temples as something along the lines of ‘Catholic but greek’ to ignorant Americans out of ingrained fear of antiGreek persecution, which has never existed in America. Greek Orthodoxy in America exists primarily to prop up the Ecumenical Patriarch in his untenable situation in the Fener district of Istanbul. It’s not an evangelistic, outgoing faith but a nostalgic sect defined by an ottoman past and present position as pawn of geopoliticians. Very unenviable position that begs the question, “Why not choose autocephaly?”

Viva Voce. It's all adiaphora anyway. I just think it's important for catholic and orthodox priests to be in uniform. The radical Protestant pastors dress like they are selling used cars.

To me it's immediately an association with Catholicism