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@stevenquestionseverything4445

Жыл бұрын

When you’re right, you’re right! If Netflix want to include African actors then find some stories based in past African empires. Stop inserting them into European history.

@worldwarwitt2760

Жыл бұрын

My understanding was that most women wouldn't be walking around as freely as they are in the show, not unless they were performers, foreigners, or prostitutes. In a sense, my understand is many wore veils and such, or maybe that was just ancient Rome and Greece. Still, "strong willed" commoner women would likely not be a thing back then.

@stevenquestionseverything4445

Жыл бұрын

@@worldwarwitt2760 go back to Italy or Greece or anywhere in Southern Europe 50 years ago and it would of been frowned upon for a woman be walking around alone in public. People would of assumed her to be a whore

@beneficent2557

Жыл бұрын

Needs some Phoenician Naming conventions.

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more Rafael its about historic context, it's not more expensive to get it right. And critiquing it has nothing to do with Racism or Wokeism. I am tired of both categories. Let's talk about historic plausible or correct - and if not, if its fantasy, does it work. There was so much territory conquered already in northern Africa, many Romans must have been mixed raced already at that time, why just not use the real historic context for the story?

I heard the historical advisors walked out on season 2 due to the writing team wanting to make their "ideal history" if I remember correctly

@Fatherofheroesandheroines

Жыл бұрын

They didn't just walk. They RAN.

@anasevi9456

Жыл бұрын

The writing team on that show needs to have their teeth bashed out by a history book. They are utterly shameless and stupid as dirt too. Could have made her an escaped female gladiator slave who hates Germanicus because he mocked and pelted her while she was fighting in the arena years ago, if they were so desperate for a YAAASSS QUEEN strong black woman with a chip on her shoulder. Not a goddamn time travelling victim of the siege of Carthage.

@marcogenovesi8570

Жыл бұрын

rewriting history to fit propaganda messages? How strange, I wonder who did that in the past

@bintjbeil7892

Жыл бұрын

Show Writers: "Wanting to make their ideal history" Historical Advisors: 💀

@jinxhead4182

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, can't imagine that historical revisionism having that effect on competent historical advisors...[/s]

The funny thing is they want to be inclusive about different ethnicities while portraying Romans, a nation that did have multiple ethnicities with many reaching positions of power, as villains. I wonder if they just can't wrap their heads around the idea of an Empire not being pure evil.

@stayunknown3421

Жыл бұрын

Because they don't want to make the effort to write complex, morally grey characters. They rather want to go the safe route of "good guys from the underdog faction fighting the evil empire".

@321AlterSchwede

Жыл бұрын

@@stayunknown3421 Nailed on the point! Its the same in "rings of power" where they promote black dwarfs, black elfs and so on, but of course the orcs are not "diverse" since black people can`t be shown as evil.

@Cdre_Satori

Жыл бұрын

@@321AlterSchwede Rings of power actually goes out of the way to make Orcs as white as possible without making them albinos. In the end its reductionist brains not being able to process two things being true at once, that a bisexual* friendly, multicultural cast of intelligent characters can willingly serve a big conquering empire suppressing native people and cultures and pillaging them. The only diversity group left is people with disability but I am sure if in season 3 Ari goes to Rome to fight gladiator fights to save his wife he will encounter a gladiator with a blade or a hook for a hand or with just one eye.

@rachdarastrix5251

Жыл бұрын

Woke: "European = Evil." Awake: "You can get a way with a lot more when you come out victorious on the battlefield."

@minutemansam1214

Жыл бұрын

The Roman Empire was not a nation, it wasn't even a state in the modern sense. And all empires are evil by their very nature. That doesn't mean they should portray every Roman as evil, they were people, and people are fundamentally the same throughout all of space and time. But Rome the Empire was, in every sense, an evil polity.

‘There were black people all the way up in England’, yeah like some legionaries and they clearly weren’t around for long, because Henry the 8th in his retinue had like, one black guy, he was so notable for being black that they had to point it out specifically and we literally know nothing else about him apart from how much he was paid.

@sammydasilva6152

Жыл бұрын

There were way more Middle Easterners present in Rome than black folks. Besides, Roman legionaries were usually Italics. Although the Romans recruited Nubian soldiers for the army, the majority of auxiliaries were consisting of the different Germanic tribe members. Furthermore, the Syrians were the largest group of Non-Europeans that were auxiliaries. Anyway, there were also East Asians such as the Mongols, Huns present in Europe. Yet Netflix, BBC and Hollywood only care to represent black folks but ignores to represent the other non-whites. And there is no excuse for the BBC to portray a real historical white woman such as Anne Boleyn as a black female.

@Jauhl1

Жыл бұрын

There were African berbers in England, those aren't black even though they today pretend that the roman designation African must mean black people.

@chrisgibson5267

Жыл бұрын

@@Jauhl1 The Mauri cavalry were stationed here and were Berbers. We also had Sarmatians who came from the Ukraine. And German Foederati.

@Jauhl1

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisgibson5267 yes and Berbers wouldn't have been black. There were certainly black slaves in North Africa and it's possible there were some admixture but Mauri's as group weren't subsaharian Africans and it's not "black history" as modern society try to pretend.

@benjaminthibieroz4155

Жыл бұрын

Logically, as moving people takes time and ressources, and for other reasons, people from certain ethicities would more often stay close to their countries of origin. So there might have been a small minority of black people in Roman era, but it's very unlikely that they significantly mixed with the rather homogenuous population and that their skin completion would be preserved across generations. Especially during the centuries after the collapse of the Empire were contact between Africa and northern Europe was all but lost. Eastern Europe provides great opportunities to represent accurate diversities, but woke media hate these countries, so...

There are many historically plausible ways to have black characters in a history show about Europe, but the writers always choose a dumb way to do so.

@samuelandrews3829

Жыл бұрын

No there aren't. There were very few contacts between Europeans & Black Africans before Europeans started buying slaves from Africa.

@bavarianpotato

Жыл бұрын

Especially with the roman empire, there is absolutely no reason to make it so obviously bullshit. They literally could've just made her a slave that 'germanicus' or someone else brought along because they liked her. Not incredibly likely, but at the same time plausible enough.

@bavarianpotato

Жыл бұрын

That is, if you really wanted to. Obviously it would've been even better to just include black characters in shows where it really makes sense. I would binge the shit out of a zulu or mansa musa TV series. Or one about Rhodesia. Or Ethiopia.

@BIATEC88

Жыл бұрын

Not in Germany inbthis time. There is no way and there is no excuse.

@admirekashiri9879

Жыл бұрын

@@bavarianpotato Zimbabwe you mean?

1991's Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves had a far better explanation for how black Morgan Freeman's Moorish character ended up in medieval England in that he escaped from prison with Robin after the latter was captured during the crusades. No one thought anything of it as it made plenty of sense and Morgan's character really added to the cast of the movie. But this... this strong black Carthagian woman ending up in Germania?? Now that's just corrupted writing.

@Fatherofheroesandheroines

Жыл бұрын

It's Morgan Freeman. He could basically pretend to be Chinese and I'd believe him lol. But seriously I get what you are saying. His backstory did indeed make sense.

@zakaria497

Жыл бұрын

Saracens*

@paulodelima5705

Жыл бұрын

@@zakaria497 These are just arabs.

@paulodelima5705

Жыл бұрын

????Moors were not black. They were just berbers and arabs.

@michaelpj7913

Жыл бұрын

Black Morgan Freeman… is there a white Morgan Freeman, I mean I know he’s a good actor but I didn’t think he could change race

Damn, this show gained soo much goodwill from the history buff community for finally portraying the Romans speaking Latin. And what did they do with all that goodwill in season 2? They NUKED it from orbit. If you think about it, its actually hilarious.

@leobrt9528

Жыл бұрын

It is netflix fault. Also the problem is that after teutoburg Rome remains undefeated but the German writers couldn't make a season where their protagonists continue to loose so they went for this shit. Also portraying Romans as evil and barbarians as good doesn't make sense, is not a superheroes film. This black character not fitting is the last problem of the serie

@EinDeutscherPatriot620

Жыл бұрын

As a German, the biggest attraction of season one for me was the fact they spoke only High German and Latin. Obviously I understood the German, and though I don't speak Latin I could deeply appreciate the fact that they found people who could speak Latin fluently, and speak German alongside of it which does make sense as Latin is widely taught here in Germany. But I knew that if they made a second season, it'd be worse than the first. It almost always is in today's world. I just didn't know it would be this bad. I'm a German patriot who stands against Rome but this simply insults both German and Roman history to a level that shouldn't even be comprehensible, let alone reached.

All the historical black queens and female leaders of Africa: * exist * Terrible movie writers: let's pretend we didn't see that

@n8pls543

Жыл бұрын

Because the people writing shows usually don't know anything outside of their own tiny window of history, which is where the problem comes from - it's pure pretension trying to please society, from someone who doesn't understand what they're talking about. The message it ends up sending is that cultures that aren't notable to the Western European canon don't exist/weren't important, or maybe that representation only matters when it's presented as minorities integrated into a European story/culture. It's kind of disheartening because it means from the start you won't really see a piece that celebrates individual cultures.

@Smokey348

Жыл бұрын

@@n8pls543 honestly i think they purposely do that because they have a post modernism or just modern narrow mindset, so they probably think just because there are black people living in europe NOW it surely must mean there were black people in the time period when the romans were conquering northern europe

@AtmaureanNoble7

Жыл бұрын

So Moorish factions can only exist in Africa

@zoazede2098

Жыл бұрын

Guess black kings and notable leaders didn't exist, since they only talk about women (obviously sarcastic, i know there were and a lot)

@sussyangel7492

Жыл бұрын

The Queen who pissed off Octavian by burying the head of his statue in her land.

As a North African, I am sad that our people are not represented very well or often in the media, I never see a proper representation of an Amazigh character :(

@shadowofhawk55

Жыл бұрын

It sucks. I would love to see a film or show set in Northern Africa....okay to be fair, I would prefer something more along the lines of a 300 style film from the Ottoman's perspective fighting Dracula Tepish or maybe something involving Anansi before Northern Africa, but I still think its a shame that its a part of the World no one really gives two shits about when making content. The closest y'all get is a white character who's been sprayed painted, and it fucking sucks.

@Luna-dh6yt

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowofhawk55 the amazigh culture is so fascinating, I wish we could make a fantasy story based of that culture, or I am dying for a story that take place in regency of algiers

@MrRabiddogg

Жыл бұрын

if they really wanted an accurate picture, they would have something on the founding of Carthage up to the Punic wars or something. that would be interesting.

@shadowofhawk55

Жыл бұрын

@@Luna-dh6yt This is kinda assholish advice I am going to give, but do it yourself. We can't rely on entertainment companies to make what we want, so we need to make it ourselves. I've been working on my own fantasy world because I think so much in media is shit. I would heavily recommend just trying, make a map, make a short story, draw some characters. You never know, you might make something so damn good one day it shows up on Metatron's channel getting a five star review.

@SylarDarkcriege

Жыл бұрын

I sadly have to assume most black characters are miscast today as they are in most cases right now. Africa has a rich and long history for historical fiction as well as the fact today you can make up your own characters for fantasy or even whole fantasy worlds.

There are many opportunities for black representation without black washing or forcing a black character into a historical movie. Netflix should make an epic movie about the Roman and Nubian war. Amanirenas was Kandake, or female ruler, of the Kingdom of Kush. She had a military success against the Romans and managed to get a peace treaty with the Romans. And there is Memnon: the Mythical King of the Ethiopians. He was a hero who played a critical role in the Trojan War. He would make a great leading role.

@hermanrobak1285

Жыл бұрын

As you suggest, there are many ways they could write a plausible character based on things that *did* happen, or *could* have happened way back when. They failed to do so. And people complain, not so much about _this_ particular show failing in this particular way, but the *pattern* of failure that appears to be *everywhere* by now. It's all so tiresome, as the Chinese contractor said to the Congolese interpreter. So what gives? 1) Lazily written fan-fiction tier stories that reflects a naïve world view, and a shallow understanding of the subject matter. Yeah, but the forced clichés, the tiresome messaging, where does it come from? 2) There is a meta-narrative, where pretty much everything is framed as an allegory for black or female victims against white or male oppressors. And the allegories need to be super-obvious, on the nose and in your face, lest the activists being pandered to will complain. Therefore, they will come off as a re-make of some morality play from the USA, with thought patterns from present day USA grafted onto a very un-American setting. If the actor does not speak with an American accent, or the script does not quite spell it out, the marketing will typically inject "the message" somehow, to prime the audience. And that is why "representation" is most likely to be about *American* blacks, not African blacks. And even when it is supposedly about African blacks, the framing device will typically be some old grudge held by American blacks, anyway. And that can get tiresome in the end...

@muhammadashshiddiq8752

Жыл бұрын

or you could make a tv show about Christian Nubians taking part in the Crusades.

@yarpen26

Жыл бұрын

Question: _why_ should we have this much black overrepresentation in the first place? I mean, seriously, everyone always talks how important it is, without citing any statistics to reinforce that point. Hell, at the end of Obama's tenure, the black homicide victim ratio was higher that it was at the turn of the 2000s. If Obama failed to inspire the African American masses into climbing the social ladder more efficiently, how the hell should we expect a stupidass Marvel movie with a majority black cast to do it?

Agreed. If it claimed to be "historically based" it should be.

@jonbaxter2254

Жыл бұрын

I was waiting for King Arthur to rock up with a shotgun

@Bad_Gazpacho

Жыл бұрын

@@jonbaxter2254 As long as they made it clear it was pure nonsense, I'd be all up for that.

@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree

Жыл бұрын

@@jonbaxter2254 "The Watery Tart told me to ensure my rivals' defeat!"

Spot on observation. It's like Germanicus being called Germanicus before he was Germanicus. I also have a problem with "historical" shows where Vikings don't wear helmets.

@Handsy13

Жыл бұрын

I think they do need more Vikings wearing helmets but not too many. The poorer Vikings would have only had a shield for defence as they couldn't afford armour or helmets. They did however, wear knitted skullcaps.

@Wallakazulum

Жыл бұрын

Me too, but my biggest issue is with the protagonists, they never wear helmets nor shields...

@sualtam9509

Жыл бұрын

He got the agnomen Germanicus from his father when he became head of the gens Claudia in 9 BC. When he was adopted by Tiberius in 4 AD the agnomen became the praenomen. So the full name being Germanicus Iulius Caesar. The naming system within the imperial family was different from the traditional. There inheritable titles were really important for dynastic reasons.

@doublep1980

Жыл бұрын

Forget the Vikings not wearing helmets, we now have female, black Viking jarls & Vikings that use surf boards, in the Netflix show. ( I'm not making that up!)

@donfelipe7510

Жыл бұрын

It's for reasons of being able to recognize which character is which. War movies do exactly the same, no helmets half the time when in reality a soldier on the front line would rarely remove his helmet.

Hail to Metatronus Nobilius Primus! Defender of Historical Accuracy! Proud are we all to be in his Legions!

@andreasarnoalthofsobottka2928

Жыл бұрын

Salus Metatroni sit, Primus Nobilium!

Do they cast historically inaccurate characters just to piss people off?

@mm-ir1ii

Жыл бұрын

no, they are doing this to brainwash the young generation " who watch these shows for entertainment only " & I would say they represent the majority of netflix audience, I mean how many people do you know who would watch this show & can tell it's historically inaccurate ? or at least care about historical accuracy?

@kenclark5184

Жыл бұрын

No....they wallow in their virtuous inclusion.

@Epsilonsama

Жыл бұрын

They wanted to be inclusive without doing the work. The first season while kinda historically accurate still wanted to paint the Romans as evil. It was an obvious German Nationalist propaganda that became popular over night and now for the second Season they needed to go full woke to get that ESG cash so they had to add a Black person. But they could not be a Romans cause remember they super duper evil foreigners so they made some lazy excuse for a character without trying to make it plausible for a Black Carthaginian to be on the side of the Barbarians.

@Qwerty-jy9mj

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@johnnydollar579

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me if some of them did.

I would genuinely love to see more African history shows. The sacking of Timbuktu during the kingdom period would be a good setting. Maybe about the people who rescued what they could from the library. Also a bit of history on the people who burned it.

@morriganmhor5078

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean this sacking? "In 1591, a Moroccan force which left Marrakesh with between three and four thousand soldiers, together with several hundred auxiliaries[4] defeated the Songhai army at Tondibi and conquered Gao, Timbuktu and Djenné. The Pashalik of Timbuktu was then established and Timbuktu became its capital."

@swiftsetrider4543

Жыл бұрын

The Kingdom of Kongo was also really interesting: their relations with Rome as well as Portugal prior to their wars with them, the reasons behind the war and how both they and the Portuguese defeated one another in a series of battles and the details behind that, how they sent people from the kingdom to settle in Lisbon because the king wanted to learn more about them etc, their later relations with the Dutch, the split of the kingdom as part of it seceded and what that led to etc. You could make an entire series on them and it’d be awesome… preferably made by HBO.

@cameronalexander5195

Жыл бұрын

maybe even a new iteration of shaka zulu. that series was pretty good

@historyfan6684

Жыл бұрын

Nah Aksum for the win man!

@swiftsetrider4543

Жыл бұрын

@@historyfan6684Kingdom of Kongo is my personal fave, the Benin Empire and Aksum are both up there though.

The really sad part is you actually could have had a perfectly legitimate African character that made sense with a little creative writing for backstory as Rome was in conflict with Nubia in 21 B.C.E only 31 years prior to the beginning of season 2 (something like say, she was taken very young as part of a Roman slave raid), rather than 160 some years out of date. Want a real shout out to history, make her from Nubia and call her Amanirenas.

@LevisH21

Жыл бұрын

sure but you are sending a woke leftist message as well by making excuses and finding some sort of "logic" on why a black character should be in a damn show about Germanic tribes and the Roman Empire in what is Central Europe. if this was a show about Roman Empire in Ancient Egypt, having black characters would have made perfect sense and nobody would have said anything. but this ninse the is a stretch. besides, this show also has other problems. the typical storing female character nonsense. shoved down our throats. and you don't like it, we are all immediately sexist. this pathetic game has to end, honesty.

@maxstirner6143

Жыл бұрын

That would mean to think and it also would mean that they would not be politically possessed therefore not getting the job

@jumpingchicken69

Жыл бұрын

@@LevisH21 I could care less about messaging or 'wokeness' whatever the hell that stupid buzzword actually means to internet neckbeards. My point is this they included a character with an impossible backstory when they could have included one that was actually historically plausible even if it was stretch, it's one character not an entire Roman legion. And as for the strong woman, Amanirenas was an actual battlefield leader described by Strabo as being a 'masculine sort of woman.' But honestly, I don't care, they could've done something that made sense and chose not to. The bigger crime with season 2 is they made the German tribes some kind of super men and many of the Romans into incompetent idiots.

@peterwall8191

Жыл бұрын

@@jumpingchicken69 The writers are incompetent, inexperienced ,over their head ideologues, that do not even know how to research a character, to see if it fits their story. Satisfied ? Woke includes all of the above and about a paragraph more. I could spend a half hour typing all this out in detail , creating a post that spans half the page , that no one will actually read, or i could use a short cut most understand and move on to something else.

@LevisH21

Жыл бұрын

@@jumpingchicken69 which is a shame because the first season was really good. and sorry but no, wokeness is not a buzzword. it is actually real. we had countless movies and TV shows in recent years where the race or gender of characters have been swapped in order to clearly send a garbage message of "diversity". because diversity is apparently everything. diversity will fix all problems in human history apparently. last time I checked diversity brought us Yugoslavia and Lebanon. and many other more countless examples. India(Kashmir problem, Hindu vs Muslim problems). this is what diversity means at the end of the day. you can't make a country diverse and expect people of multiple backgrounds to coexist in peace with eachother.

Historically accuracy is crucial for education. So please do keep up the good work.

“Do not believe everything you watch on streaming services, just because they put ‘based on historical facts’ on it.” - Abraham Lincoln

Mental gymnastics indeed. I happen to be one of THOSE people myself... who prefers the movie be atleast somewhat historically accurate if they claim its based on historical events. If they are to make a movie about some kingdom in Africa or China or Japan etc. and all the cast is white, i would equally be like: ''What in the F is that garbage?'' That seems to not matter at all though?!

@sauronthemighty3985

Жыл бұрын

They used to do that shit, but that was when it was ok to wear blackface and shit like that to halloween parties.

The thing is that although there were black Carthaginians, the vast majority of the Carthaginians were not black but Middle Eastern looking. So it would be even better to cast a Middle Eastern looking woman to play the Carthaginian female because this is how an average Carthaginian would've looked like. With that being said the cast wasn't that bad since once again black Carthaginians, although a minority, were not unheard of. In contrast Netflix portrayed a Viking King by a black actress in their Viking movie. This was over the top woke, cringe and 100% BS. Moreover, Netflix is being dishonest. They love to waffle about representation and diversity but keep ignoring Middle Easterners, North Africans, Asians, etc. since they only focus on black representation no matter what. There were way more Middle Easterners present in Rome than black folks, for example. On top of that, Netflix doesn't make original movies about actual African history and heroes. They missed this opportunity.

@ms-ht1cj

Жыл бұрын

Asians don't have an inferiority complex and they don't need dumb Netflix, BBC nor Hollywood's sop. They just make their own movies about their culture, history, with their actors (Chinese wushu films, Japanese or Korean dramas etc.). If black people want their films, why they just don't do the same? Wouldn't be awesome to make a movie about an actual African historical king, instead of stealing European characters and blackwashing them? I don't get how anyone could be ok with that. As a white woman I would cringe if someone made a film with, for example, European samurai or, I don't know, female Christopher Columbus. I wouldn't feel great nor proud, no. Rather angry and offended by this condescension. I don't need a "strong female character " in a movie to enjoy it. Really. 🙄🤦🏻

Reality:Germanicus avenged Roman defeat at Teutoburg forest, cherusci tribe twice defeated in open field battle and arminius killed in civil war, Germanicus almost conquered Germania but returned to Rome after direct order from Tiberius. Roman historian describes his victories ''the enemy were slaughtered from the fifth hour of daylight to nightfall, and for ten miles the ground was littered with corpses and weapons.'' Tv series: Jupiter's cock

@timothylee2772

Жыл бұрын

No wonder the history advisors quit. It was a total joke of history telling. Season 1 was much more accurate. The only major inaccuracy was the final battle of Teutoburg forest. In historical reality, the battle took place over three days. But season 1 made it look like the battle lasted for a few hours.

@sauronthemighty3985

Жыл бұрын

@@timothylee2772 I could see that as being within the acceptable realm of creative licensing

You've got balls to tell the truth! Kudos sir!

There was an easy fix to Dido's backstory that doesn't make her a time traveller, she's from a Gaetuli tribe that couldn't pay tribute to Rome so the Romans chose to take people as tribute including her and her family but they resisted and got killed, way more believable. This show caught the Netflix Stranger Things syndrome, the showrunners didn't plan a 2nd season but Netflix wanted a season 2 because greed so we end up with shit.

Thank you for clarifying that for everyone that North Africans come from different backgrounds having talk to modern-day people from Algeria and other countries in north Africa I am glad they’re people pay attention to such things because it recognizes the historical contributions of many different peoples in that area

Dropped this season halfway through the second episode, seems like I made the right decision

The funny thing is, if they wanted to include a black character, they could have just done so. “Hey, never seen someone who looked like you before!” “Yah, I came from a long ways away. It’s a long story…” And there you are. Lots of people travelled for one reason or another since mid Bronze Age, either by choice or because they were unfree. Is it very likely to find a black person in any given part of Germania in 10AD? Nope. But unlikely things happen. By tying it in to the sack of Carthage, though, they took if fron “unlikely but sure it could happen” to “Holy cow, that’s utter nonsense!” It was as an unforced error that they chose because they do not care about historicity. They assume history is malleable to their whims. They can just Make Believe. They literally chose to appear foolish, when they didn’t have to. The narcissism is astonishing.

@seelevollerei1152

Жыл бұрын

"A good question...for another time"

Another problem that is worth mentioning is that while yes it is a history-based fiction, to the common person ( I mean people not deeply interested in history), this show can be taken as reference material.

@samueljohnston1043

Жыл бұрын

That is true, I got a friend who isn't really interested in history but he watched Vikings let's just say because of that show he believes the Romans were giants 😑

Correction Metatron black is not an ethnic group, neither is white. An ethnic group would be for example Nubian, Yoruba or Zulu etc black you can class as race. Another correction there always have been and were black people above the Sub Saharan line so to lump every black person under the category called Sub Saharan is inaccurate.

@JanoTuotanto

Жыл бұрын

Black = African American. Meta-chan has been spending too much time with Yanks. Only a bloody Yank thinks that skin color is ethnicity.

@imlaughinq7445

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure metatron believes in race so maybe that’s why he said ethnic group

I have not been able to finish the series because i had other things to do.Dido seemed like 'eh, here we go, black character, and she's a woman'. She talked about how she, too, wanted revenge on the Romans for what they did to her hometown, Carthage. I was watching her talk about how the Romans burned and enslaved and thought this was some kind of supernatural character. She looks around mid twenties to me. The destruction of Carthage was around 146BC. Arminius' rebellion is 9 AD. IS SHE OVER 150 YEARS OLD? I genuinely thought she was kinda like a vengeful spirit until she got wounded. It would have made more sense had she been a character with any other grievance against Rome, and let's be honest, an empire like Rome did screw people over. A character who simply didn't like how she was treated as a slave would have been brilliant. Sometimes I wonder how hard does Netflix want to force representation. Perhaps throw an Indian or Pakistani or Afghan in there next time, who claims to be a Buddhist or Hindu. It would be more historically accurate. Show the Romans give out shitty trinkets that no one wanted like the Pompeii Laxmi (it's a comb with an Indian goddess on the handle. Trinkets for rich people). A spice trader in Egypt from Kerala, India would also work But this shit is bizarre.

@rocketraccoon1976

Жыл бұрын

Both Germanicus and Dido are immortals. (See the Highlander movies and TV series.) There can be only one! ⚔️

@TheFifthHorseman_

9 ай бұрын

It could also make more sense if she was a descendant of someone who escaped Carthage and the family has sworn vengeance against *the line* of the man who ordered the destruction. Then no bloody time travel is necessary: a descendant of X hates a descendant of Y because of what Y did to X and because she was taught she must avenge that deed given the opportunity...

Well done Metatron, you always seem to make the point of saying what I was already thinking. Thanks for being you.

The reason why people are so reactive to this, is because the common man often looks to media, rather than anything credible, to determine their understanding of history. It should be required to have a minute-long disclaimer before any "historically based" media, noting that it's a work of historical fiction, unless specified otherwise. This would at least warn people not to accept 300 (based off a graphic novel), Barbarians, Woman King, Gladiator, Apocalypto, Vikings etc. as immediate fact! Trust me, people blindly follow movies to a T, and it shows; been dealing with Vikings for an age now. Granted, you likely won't ever have anything that's 100% historical, but at least make it within the ball park. Make it cohesive.

I have a better idea for Dido's character. There really is a population of Ethyopian Jews living in Israel today. They could have cast a black female from Israel that spoke fluent Hebrew. Hebrew is relatively close to Phonecian. It seems to me that "black representation" really just means "African American representation." Black and white Americans alike tend to see Africa as only real or significant in that it's the point source from which African Americans originated. Bigoted inclusion is worse than none.

@JanoTuotanto

Жыл бұрын

The Falasha jews were brought from Ethiopia to Israel as refugees in 1980's

@benjaminthibieroz4155

Жыл бұрын

It's not about wether she can be black or not. It's about "what the hell is she doing in Germany on her own with no clues on how to live here". Her being on the side of the Romans would have been more plausible actually. But because romans must be portrayed as evil and weak and black people can't be, they couldn't have that...

@ManCheat2

Жыл бұрын

Didio would've been Phoenican aka not black tho.

@sauronthemighty3985

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminthibieroz4155 If they really wanted her to be going against the Romans, she could have been an escaped personal slave of an evil and perverted roman general or something like that. Would have been much more plausible than the shit Netflix cooked up.

Brilliant as always metatron. Thank you for such well thought, measured and rarional criticism. Ave Meta!

The thing that I don't understand is that they could have come up with at least a more plausible reason. Maybe she could be a merchant, or a roman or just something that didn't involve time travel.

Have you made a video on symbols and flags of the Roman Empire? If not I would absolutely love to see a video on it. Thanks

I never heard of this channel this is my first video ever. I just want to thank you. Not enough people are speaking out about this. If it was their people and their culture being changed in erased they would be up in arms. You've gotten a like and subscribe from me o7

Thank you for tackling these contentious issues in a well done, eloquent manner.

The sad truth is that in the name of representation, they swap out characters as though there were not a multitude of actual stories to choose from. This is either because they do not know this is the case (meaning they are grossly ignorant of history), or worse, that they only see legitimacy in tokenizing stories of "accepted" ethnicities (which would be actual racism). The reality is that if we could trust them to get the story right and handle the source material correctly and with care and respect, we all would love to see stories that delve into the rich histories from around the globe. Give us a show accurately depicting the Inca... the Maori... the Inuit, the steppe peoples... the Polish/Lithuanian/Teuton conflicts... the people of Cush... there are so many peoples and places to choose from, each with intrigue, conflict, and enough action and drama to keep any male riveted (because butted mail just won't do). We live in a day and age where access to these histories has never been more accessible... And yet has never been more deliberately ignored.

@michaelpj7913

Жыл бұрын

I think what these kind of show runners don’t understand is that the world has always been diverse and representative. But individual groups of people and nations are not diverse. So if you want to represent a specific nation/culture properly it won’t be very diverse. Whether you like it or not humans are a tribalistic species, we may be globally diverse, but within groups we are generally speaking not very diverse

I got surprised when Marbod and Armienius brother almost did eachother in the tent. It came out of nowhere.

that shirt gave me hope to see a collab between Meta and Shad!

So long as history is blighted by falsehood, Metatron will fight it!

I think this is the best video I've seen so far talking about this. I like how you defend historical accuracy while also pointing out that there absolutely were black people in Carthage and the Roman Empire. They were a minority but they were there. One thing I would have specifically pointed out is the long-established trans-Saharan trade routes which Carthage was involved in. People treat the Sahara as if it's an impassable barrier but it isn't, and it wasn't then. There have always been peoples living in the Sahara, who moved from well to well, knew where to find water and food, were accustomed to the hard way of life there. These people passed back and forth, north and south in the Sahara trading goods between the peoples north and south of the desert. Carthage famously imported ivory, gold and such goods from sub-Saharan Africa. Some of this would then be exported from Carthage out into the Mediterranean world. In turn the Carthaginians also exported their own products to sub-Saharan Africa. So, people and goods moved back and forth. Black people from south of the Sahara would have come north as traders, guards for caravans, mercenaries looking for work in Carthage's wars, slaves. Some slaves would later be freed and become free Carthaginian citizens who could have any kind of profession. By extension, some black people, once in Carthage, were entirely capable of traveling to other parts of the Mediterranean world. Some of them involuntarily as slaves, others voluntarily as merchants or soldiers or what have you. I would also say it's definitely not impossible for a black person to have ended up in Germania, but EXTREMELY unlikely for one to end up on the Germanic side, and far more likely for one on the Roman side. Once in the Roman Empire, a free black person could travel anywhere from Palestine to Spain, from Greece to Gaul. An enslaved black person, or a black freedman/freedwoman in the retinue of a Roman patron (freed slaves became clients to former masters), or simply a freeborn black person who was employed by a rich Roman, would go with that Roman if, say, he was a senator who was assigned a post somewhere like Roman-controlled Germania on the west bank of the Rhine. Roman soldiers and officers from more upper-class backgrounds were also known to bring a slave or freedman along to attend them on campaign, so you might actually see a few black people among the camp followers that trailed along with the legions. And a free black person could even sign up to become a legionary himself. Otherwise there was the auxilia, in which non-Roman subject peoples within the empire (or from client kingdoms just outside it) would serve alongside the legions. You would find some black people among them in the North African auxilia units. So in such a scenario, yes, a time-travelling observer in Germania during the time period this show is set might well observe some black people among the legions. But not among the Germanic tribes. By the way, the reason I mention slaves/freedmen so much isn't because black people were particularly likely to be slaves back then (racialized slavery came later; in the Roman world, people of any color could be slaves), but more because slaves were one of the main categories of long-distance travelers in the ancient Mediterranean world. Slave traders would take them from place to place, by land or ship, from market to market, one trader buying from another, until the enslaved person was purchased at a market. Many black people in the Roman world would have been freeborn, but many others would have been slaves or freedmen. On another note, it's documented that the Garamantes, a North African people who lived in what's now Libya, that was known for their role in the slave trade, would raid south of the Sahara as far as Lake Chad (where the population was incontrovertibly black) and take their captives back up to the North African coast. Some of the captives would be kept as slaves on the Garamantes' own farms, others would be sold on to slave traders from Rome, Greece, Carthage, Egypt or whomever else would buy. And then, again, once in Rome, a slave might be freed one day (depending on various circumstances) and become a free citizen. So the idea of a black person in Roman-era Europe is far from implausible. But the Dido character specifically is ludicrously implausible for many other reasons.

@trax-3987

Жыл бұрын

While trans-Saharan trade and sub-Saharans in Carthage most likely existed making your only Carthaginian character black is already engaging in something low or very low probability. I mean, look at Mozabites who are pretty much "genetically model" North Africans. They live much further south from Carthage at the borders of Sahara and have engaged in long trans-Saharan trade. Most of them are not black. Perhaps you can find a black looking guy in some larger group shots but that's it. Carthage is 600 km to the north from where those guys live and would have been mixed with Levantines and people from their other Mediterranean possessions.

The music and the slow shirt reveal was great

Great stuff, Metatron, keep spreading your wings!

The moment I sorta got fed up with the whole Dido plot was when they, through 2 entire episodes, had a big plot to try n save her from her wounds and making it seem like we should really care a lot.... only.. we were never really introduced to her. No "This is why she's important", no character building etc. I had no relation to her, meaning, to me, it was simply a character to fill up a few holes and trying too hard to make her seem important, where loads of other characters with more importance and screen time, die like flies and no body gives a shit.

Imagine them making a action TV series based on Shaka Zulu with Tom Hanks cast as Shaka Zulu. It's just entertainment guys.

The takeda clan symbol in the backround is awesome! Takeda shingin was a great and powerful dimiyo that deserves to be immortalized!

Metashad sounds like something solid snake would be sent to destroy… Now I need that design.

@Fatherofheroesandheroines

Жыл бұрын

Snake...snake....snakkkkkeee

@ABaumstumpf

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like Facefuck will come after them :O

I binged the first season back-to-back. I dropped the second season halfway through the first episode. Couldn't handle the imposition of modernity upon my story about ancient times.

Here is the elephant wrestler Metatron once again! Coming back to wrestle every Elephant in every room! PS I made some memes out of this which I sent to you XD

We should all bow down and give thanks that we get to witness the greatest and genius that is the Metatron!!! He is undoubtedly the greatest human being to ever exist and we are privileged to listen to his unfathomable wisdom!!!!

Honestly, I'd love a series set in the Kushite Nile, even as I know barely anything about it, I know enough about this era to know they have a perfect chance to go through history with all the crazy different people warring in that area, from the Egyptians, to the Achaemenids, the greeks (I'm guessing Ptolemy surely tried something) and later even the Romans. You have a chance to go to many time periods, and thats just in what little I personally can recall. It gives so many opportunities for whatever and whoever you might want that I really can't help but laugh at the idea of these companies being "Progressive" or "Inclusivity-driven". Bet they don't even know about this very few occasions

I agree with at least 95% of what Metatron says although I will say that those people claiming homosexuality was known to be common and prominent in Greece and Rome are jumping to quite a conclusion since the clay vases & remains of such that we have from that time period depicting Roman life had only around 35-45 vases depicting homosexuality on them, out of a collection of at least 10,000 vases discovered from that era. That’s hardly “prominent”, “common”, or “widely-accepted”, by any stretch of the imagination.

@Jauhl1

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention people tend to depict spicy sex, pornography is generally what people dream about doing not what they actually do.

@benjaminthibieroz4155

Жыл бұрын

What's amazing, it's that what Roman actually tolerated was... bisexuality. Relationships between men was okay as long as they weren't both adult grown and only the young between in the "passive position". However, they were still expected to marry and have children, and rejecting relationships with women entirely was heavily frowned upon. Thus, what people get wrong, is that Roman accepted bisexuality, but homosexuality was actually a crime. And we find similar pattern across a lot of civilization. Two adult roman men being explicitly romantic in society was a big no-no.

Barbarian Season 2: How to RUIN a series🧐

Bravo! Another great video essay.

I've been watching you periodically for while. This is where I subbed. I love your intellectual honesty and unwavering commitment to standing up for your views in the face of woke cancel culture that is stuck on pushing identity politics.

This vid is one of the reasons why you're one of my favorite youtuber.

@metatronyt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

4:42 Speaking of Romulus, have you seen the tv series with the same name? It caught my attention that everyone spoke archaic latin, I think. I would like to hear your opinion.

@Fatherofheroesandheroines

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure but I think he did a video on it already.

Netflix forgot to show how the 170 year old black carthagian woman had a break at Mc Donald´s in Augusta Treverorum on her way to the woods of Germania.

Great review - thank you!

Another point in favor of historical accuracy: The majority of the population does not learn about history from books anymore, they do it from exactly these shows and movies. That's why there are experts on those fields in the first place, and repeating the fantasies leads to distorted views, like believing the past either being too barbaric or too modern. And it is not just history. I have seen the excuse "It's just a show" also a lot on comments pointing out physical or scientific inaccuracies in Science Fiction or even logical ones in Hgh Fantasy. It's all the same there, minus the '-ism' accusations as long as you don't talk about people. (They may call you a smartass, nitpicker or nerd instead) This is basically anti-intellectualism, because people can't live outside their feel-good bubbles anymore, let alone admit mistakes or gaps in their knowledge.

What I would rather see would be you tearing apart the "tactics" or the lack there of shown in season 2

@shadowofhawk55

Жыл бұрын

I personally had no issues in the beginning. It was the Germans catching the Roman's off guard. What made me livid was the camp fight and the Romans just charged at the Germans instead of making a Shield Wall. So fucking stupid, it made me rethink about the rest of the show's fights and pissed me off even more.

@fluffymuffin4910

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowofhawk55Yea I think I would most like to just see a dissection of the camp fight, spoilers, how the entire roman army managed to get distracted, how every roman throws away their shields and fights one on one. Maybe on how the Romans would actually react compared to the disappointment that we got?

@shadowofhawk55

Жыл бұрын

@@fluffymuffin4910 Exactly

I like this guy. Logical and practical. Got my sub

Tbh, one of my favorite historical figures who was also black and definitely deserves a feature film is Bass Reeves. He was a total badass lawman during the late 1800s to early 1900s and his view of the law was so unflinching, he even brought in his son for murder.

@turdferguson7686

Жыл бұрын

a black man becomes a successful lawyer in a period that had to have made that one hell of an achievement. his son still becomes a stereotype... big oof

Well at least we got Dido, they could’ve just gone with “Hanniballa” 🤣

The thing is.... A black character in that period would be in the Roman side..........

@Epsilonsama

Жыл бұрын

Shhh don't let facts get in the way of propaganda

@uncannysnake

Жыл бұрын

As a slave

@Epsilonsama

Жыл бұрын

@@uncannysnake if Dido was a man you could say it was an auxiliary unit

@theforsakeen-9014

Жыл бұрын

@@Epsilonsama tell that to the nubians

@kawadashogo8258

Жыл бұрын

@@uncannysnake Not necessarily as a slave. There were black slaves in the Roman Empire but also free black people. Same as all other ethnic groups. Also some, even if they had been slaves, could be freed, and one a slave had been freed by a Roman master the slave automatically attained Roman citizenship. And anyone with Roman citizenship could join the legions if they wished. So it could even have been possible for there to be black legionaries. Would have been rare though. But my point is black people could be on the Roman side in many different capacities. No ethnic group was inherently condemned to slavery in ancient Rome; it wasn't like the early US.

The figure of Othello who was a Moor employed by the Venetian republic was used of course by Shakespeare in one of his plays and by Verdi in his opera-historically this was probably quite accurate as the Venetians hired mercenaries of all ethnicities to fight in their armies.

Love how you stand your ground!

Would love to hear your take on Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse.

@greattribulation1388

Жыл бұрын

You leave graham alone!

@ctam79

Жыл бұрын

@@greattribulation1388 I will. I'm asking Metatron to do the dirty work. :)

@greattribulation1388

Жыл бұрын

@@ctam79 lol btw the evidence is compelling.

@magyarbondi

Жыл бұрын

Graham Hancock, Erich von Däniken, Heribert Illig, just to mention a few, are all fiction writers who have nothing to do with historical accuracy. Or any kind of accuracy.

@greattribulation1388

Жыл бұрын

@@magyarbondi lol sure.

Meanwhile in a parallel universe where the scenarists aren't bigots when trying to justify Dido's skin color: "So Dido's backstory is that she was a black carthagenian slave owned by a cruel roman lord who treated her poorly, killed her family, and used her for s..xual pleasure. She could barely escape and she now seeks a way to avenge her and her family, and she finds out she can find the cruel roman lord in Germania, where she befriends the barbarians. She also wants to free the other slaves owned by that evil roman lord who are her friends. Naturally, she hates romans above all because of her past, and it is her endless hatred that drives and motivates her. One day however, when ambushing a roman convoy with her barbarian friends, her prejudices are challenged when she meets a roman legionnaire that was spared and emprisonned by the barbarians in exchange for valuable information. This roman gradually sympathizes with the barbarians and Dido slowly and unknowingly falls in love with him. Eventually they make out, close to when the season ends. In the very last episode however, when Dido is finally one last gladius strike away to killing the evil roman lord and be avenged, the plot twist reveals that the roman legionnaire she so much loves is actually the evil roman lord's son. Then the season 2 ends with this cliffhanger, and how Dido handles this situation will be revealed in season 3." "Wow, what a beautiful and credible backstory! You also brought in much needed depth into the character! Can you imagine a parallel universe where we had defined Dido by only her race and gender and justified her skin color by saying that she is basically 170 years old?" "Yeah, that would make us lazy bigots, wouldn't it? But such a stupid parallel universe couldn't possibly exist. Right? RIGHT???"

@kawadashogo8258

Жыл бұрын

You know, that could actually make a great standalone story. Like, one that doesn't necessarily need to be part of a show that's about the Roman-German wars (as it would still be kind of a digression from that), but like a show all its own that's about that character.

@marcogenovesi8570

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's like how hard is it to have her as a freed/abused slave, you still get brownie points for slavery, black, woman and EMPOWERMENT without doing a massive history retcon bs. The writers are dumb, that's the only explanation

@texanplayer7651

Жыл бұрын

@@marcogenovesi8570 Imagine a world where a random guy writes a better backstory in a KZread comment than an entire professional team of scenarists who are paid thousands of dollars monthly to do so...

@texanplayer7651

Жыл бұрын

@@kawadashogo8258 Now that I think of it, this kind of backstory does indeed give potential to a lot of possible content that would be too difficult to show as just a secondary character side story. Maybe we can cut the part where she falls in love with a roman legionnaire and never challenge her prejudices in the first place, which would make her character a little shallower, but at least it would better fit for a secondary character side story. Feel free to use this idea of Dido to write a story of your own if that's your thing😉

@marcogenovesi8570

Жыл бұрын

@@texanplayer7651 meh "professional", they are probably very diverse grifters meetoing into the job, displacing others that actually were competent. On the positive side, their job won't last that much

Hell yeah, def going to get that. My two fave bro's on one shirt!

Hey Metatron, where did you get that bronze helmet? I see you wearing it in many of your videos and would really like one just like it.

My man! I appreciate the size of the balls you have to come out with these videos. Im so sick of the black washing of historical events!

It's different depending on what country you're representing, but if you're making an American film and are trying to represent American people, I've seen statistics that show that African Americans are overrepresented today, rather than underrepresented. Other ethnicities, especially many Asian cultures, are underrepresented. The idea that representation is necessary is toxic, imo. It forces the idea that if you're not represented, you're nothing. That if you don't see your ethnicity as an astronaut or crime solving genius, that's not something you can strive for. It's the flip side of "if you see this, you can become this": "if you don't see this, you can't become this". I've heard this from people who grew up without representation. They didn't need to see their ethnicity become a hero to dream of becoming a hero. It was enough to see a character on the screen become a hero, regardless of race, gender, or sexuality. Just create stories in ways that enhance the stories themselves, and stop being racist and claim certain races deserve certain roles more than others. Because that's what this kind of representation is all about. Slightly related, in video games (console market, which excludes PC and phone games) gender representation is relatively close to video gamers (although a large chunk is either non-gendered or optional), but you'd never guess from what people have to say about it. Another fun gender representation experiment: Count male and female main characters in films that feature lots of people dying. Now count male and female characters dying. Somehow, I doubt those two ratios will end up the same.

The merch looks so so cool

I love your videos (and shad's) so I immediately clicked on the link but, felt this pain on my wallet, upon glancing on the prices :(

I think it is problematic when these woke Hollywood types keep forcing blacks into European history, like as if Africans didn't have their own awesome history that could be told. Why not tell real African historical stories? 'The Woman King' was a good start, if not for the historical revisionism around the Dahomey role in slavery. How about we tell the story of King Shaka of the Zulu who gave rise to the Zulu empire. Or how about King Kashta - aka 'The Kushite', who conquered Egypt and created the 25th dynasty. Or the Nubian Christian Crusader kingdom of the middle ages and their wars with the Arab Muslims who now ruled Egypt. There are many great historical African stories to be told. You don't need to force blacks into European history, because Africans have their own awesome history that should be taught. But I do fear if they did start telling these stories, they would heavily revise history to ensure no Africans were depicted as anything but perfect. When telling these African stories, you could film somewhere in African, using African cast and crew. This will create real representation, promote real African culture (as opposed to what we see in the MCU kingdom of Wakanda), give actual Africans a place in the spot light, generate jobs in Africa, and provide a boost the local economy of where ever filming is taking place.

@uoldou3345

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if only Hollywood expressed enough interest or had enough confidence in thier audience to make an actual african history movie or tv series would be nice. Too bad with the Woman King's massive negative reception Hollywood will take the wrong lesson from it and it wont be until another decade or so that we get another historical piece set in africa

@admirekashiri9879

Жыл бұрын

Woman king was fine they sold slaves in the film plus the film focused on the Dahomey kingdom's war with the Oyo empire.

@admirekashiri9879

Жыл бұрын

South Africans are making that show themselves there is a trailer its called Shaka Ilembe plus I believe once this was announced Hollywood copied do.their making a Shaka Zulu series now, 😂 so only when they see Africans doing it themselves do they feel inclined to make African historical fiction projects. It was Qore ((king) Piye to conquered Egypt I believe not Kashta. But ye good examples anyway its better if we Africans make this stuff ourselves with whst they're doing to European history I wouldn't trust them with our stories.

I watched Kingdom of Heaven the other day, and I noticed amongst Godfrey's Christian crusader companions, there's a North-African guy? Like his story's never explained, but through small details and implication, like his choice of weapon, how he's dressed in a manner similar to a Saracen, and the situational context of why he might be accompanying Godfrey, let's the audience piece his story together for themselves? Like he's not just there like _'this one dude is black in 11th century France and nobody seems to notice'_ , like there's actually reason for why that character who looks that way, is there, y'know? I feel like that's how inclusion is supposed to be done instead of shoehorning in people as tokens....

@imlaughinq7445

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think the movie ever explicitly said he was a North African but I’m pretty sure he’s a Christain Nubian who would have still dressed in an Islamic fashion.

@GunterThePenguinHatesHugs

Жыл бұрын

@@imlaughinq7445 I meant to say he was Sub-Saharan! 😅 But yeah! I assumed he was one of the Christian 'Prester John' Ethiopians who probably made his way up through Egypt, where he armed himself with what was available from the caravan traders, then joined the crusades to retake Jerusalem, and then befriended Godfrey? I like that kind of storytelling though, I find subtly to be quite rare in modern movies 🙃

@benjaminthibieroz4155

Жыл бұрын

I thought about it too, glad you mentionned it.

Great video man!

love the takeda clan banner metatron!

I'm so glad Metatron isn't woke. Among many things, woke means rewriting history in service of a twisted version of "fairness". Woke is the enemy of truth.

@abrahamacevedo5302

Жыл бұрын

Hear, hear!

@AKAZA-kq8jd

Жыл бұрын

Yes 👍

@shanebisme

Жыл бұрын

Woke is also the enemy of righteousness and justice.

@Talkshowhorse_Echna

Жыл бұрын

I would disagree in the fact, that "woke" as a word is often used wrong especially against "open minded" people, but also by some of them. The big problem is that "woke" itself is only defined by being aware of minority problems in sociaty. The problem is the way it gets used. you have a big range of people on both sides of the fence claiming something to be "woke" espacially if its positivly or negativly in their bias, even though the word itself does not mean that. So you can be "woke" and a defending truth. If a movie about the kingdome of Kush, or the War between Meroe and Rome, or any black african Kingdom would come and it would be close to history it would be woke and true at the same time. So the very idea of such a show as Metatron has mentioned multiple times would be the perfect mix of woke and truth. Sorry if this was to long, I just hate when words become somthing they don't even imply for no good reason.

@bandit6272

Жыл бұрын

@@Talkshowhorse_Echna No.

If they don´t care about history. then they can make their own fantasy story. placed in their own fantasy world.

I love you stick to the facts and don’t back down from the facts.

SPOTTED: THE EMPIRE. I knew that you were a "Warhammer: Fantasy battles" player! I bet it! Love your videos, many thanks to spread history and truth! Greetings from a pasta-eating companion.

There are thousands of possible stories that either haven't been written yet, or haven't been explored, showcased, exposed to western audiences (or international ones). Why do people feel the need to revise ones which already existed from time periods that do not fit our current socio-political views? If the writers and producers behind these disasters had any talent or creative vision, they might be able to tell a new story featuring roles which help represent people of colour, ethnic minorities, etc.

When I heard Dido wanted to avenge her family I just laughed my a$$ 🤣🤣🤣

I would really love to hear your perspective on THE ANCIENT APOCALYPSE

@Jack-Hands

Жыл бұрын

The Graham Hancock show? Oh please yes, I want to see Metatron tear into Hancock.

Spot on analysis!!

I'd love to see you make a video about what God of War: Ragnarök gets right and (more importantly) wrong about the many aspects Norse gods and culture.

@valandil7454

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that would work or even be relevant, games like that are alternative stories that aren't supposed to be true to the original. Especially as the premise of the story is that Odin having seen some of what's to come was trying to prevent Ragnarok but hadn't known that an unknown Greek would end up playing a large part. I like "well what if" stories as long as they make some sense 🙂

@steveman851

Жыл бұрын

@@valandil7454 You could use that exact same argument for why he shouldn't critique this fictional story about a fictional character. They just fucked up damn near everything about Norse mythology to make their dogshit story written by a dogshit writer for a braindead audience 😃

I would like to see historical shows set in Africa, it would be interesting to see.

@admirekashiri9879

Жыл бұрын

Check out the new Shaka Zulu series then ots coming in 2023 it's called Shaka Ilembe, there is a trailer out.

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I hope someday. Somebody makes a movie or TV show about King Massinissa or other Numidian kings. And I hope it represents my people well.

@jabu1591

Жыл бұрын

Amazigh for life cousin

@zeedub8560

Жыл бұрын

The whole story with Masinissa, Sophonisba, Syphax, and Scipio Africanus would make one hell of a series. It could be the "I, Claudius" of North Africa.

@trax-3987

Жыл бұрын

As long as Hollywood is in any way involved they would all be played by African-Americans and you know it. Your only hope is a local production but then it would have zero budget by Western standards.

Season 3 will have a Latin American ( because it has Latin on the name ). Just to reach the quota. 😂😂😂😂😂

@Fatherofheroesandheroines

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes. El Kabong...

@johnbuccheri3440

Жыл бұрын

Yes and it will have the same actor that plays Prince Namor in Black Panther 2. Hell, while their at it they may as well just have it be Prince Namor of Atlantis. Just as believable!

@michaelpj7913

Жыл бұрын

My name is kukulkan… but ma enemies call me Naaaamoorrrrr!

It's not historical accuracy what matters but "THE MESSAGE".

Now I've discovered that I seriously need a Metatrón video about Germanicus (Caligula's father for those who didn't knew)

As a black person I agree

@metatronyt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your support

@Justin-pe9cl

Жыл бұрын

Stay beautiful.

@admirekashiri9879

Жыл бұрын

Same here I'm tired of tokenism. They could make African centered storied but choose this instead to tick the diversity box. Of that's not racist I don't know what is.

One of my biggest pet peeves is people with no artistic talent or love for history chiming in and trying to dictate someone's art. Be it on the right with their history of whitewashing Western atrocities or on the left with their insistence on representation no matter what. Both sides can suck it. A person's art is their to play with but when dealing in historical events, the least you can fucking do is make it accurate. Literally the bare minimum.

hey Metatron. I thought Germanicus' name wouldn't be Germanicus at that time as well, but then I remembered he is a bit of an interesting case. If I have this right, he was given the name Germanicus in 9 BC because His father Drusus was so successful in Germania that he was Posthumously named Germanicus and his son inherited the title.

I think Kaptorga which is the youtube channel of the historic advisers of this show actually mentioned that they didnt want to work with them anymore because of this stuff.