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@MysticalJessica

2 ай бұрын

I didn't even know they remade Alexander the Great as a series! That's how much I don't even watch movies or documentaries coming from America or whoever follows their political agenda! Historical documentaries and movies are as accurate as the History Channel talking about ancient aliens nowadays!

@onbedoeldekut1515

2 ай бұрын

Alexander WASN'T great. He might have conquered a great amount of land, but he didn't leave a lasting empire, it fell apart immediately. Greatness would have left something that endures more than the mythologised history of Alexander which we were left with.

@unbreakable7633

2 ай бұрын

Overstating the case is common for these sorts of "documentaries" -- there's a word for this called hyperbole.

@clpfox470

2 ай бұрын

Metatron you look like a very grumpy klingon in the thumbnail, i love it lol

@morganhale3434

2 ай бұрын

Epaminondas of Thebes was a frontline general. It is also what ended his career so early.

Watching Netflix to learn history is like watching TikToks to learn physics.

@LostSoulSearching

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂 💯 I've got nothing. I can't top that comment. This was a priceless post!!!😂😂😂

@Snoy_Fly

2 ай бұрын

“History” TikToks are wild too 😬

@neillindgren8992

2 ай бұрын

IDK. At least with TikTok you might be able to learn basic physics like gravity or inertia from people falling or running into things! 🙂

@DrFrogglePhD

2 ай бұрын

On more than one occasion I've heard adults in their 30s, 40s, 50s, say that they learned something from TikTok. In every case, they were wrong.

@jamesbodnarchuk3322

2 ай бұрын

Tik toc 😅

I remember my grandmother telling me I don't care what they tell you in school, Alexander was more flamboyant than Elton John.

@zombiedoggie2732

2 ай бұрын

Oh god, The mental image of Alexander riding his rainbow chariot in a flamboyant rainbow feather boa in a gay pride parade in June. With rainbow feathers on top of the horse bridles for good measure. Probably with a bottle of wine in one hand.

@rushdem1

2 ай бұрын

Everyone knows the Mediterranean was super fruity at that time . Just look at the abudance of male sculpture of that time period vs female

@ladybug591

2 ай бұрын

@@rushdem1 Hmmm, that maybe true but most women in their prime would possibly have been pregnant and so not be so "photogenic"? Statugenic...?

@kueapel911

2 ай бұрын

​@@ladybug591 most gods are... gods. Goddesses are few in between. Statues are mostly deities, and important historical people, which are mostly... y'know, people who're not pregnant.

@AzathothTheGreat

2 ай бұрын

​@@rushdem1what abundance mate? Cause I'm Greek and there's no lack of female statues and sculptures. We even thought that women's figures would make the most beautiful addition on a structural piece (caryatids). Goddesses, muses, mythical or historical women, or simply unnamed mortal women adorn plenty and they are in no way few and far in between

the shortening of the names is killing me in the show, haven't finished it yet, but waiting for him to come face to face with Darius, and be like "Oi, Darr, my dad Phil was killed"

@billdehappy1

2 ай бұрын

daz seems more proper for darius imo

@aimannorzahariwod

2 ай бұрын

i ggiggled at fucking PTOL.... like dude, PTOLEMY isn't even that long like come on

@JanoTuotanto

2 ай бұрын

D-man, P-TOL, Tole- ピ Big Al

@gajogrande

2 ай бұрын

That “Phil” killed me with Prince of Bel Air vibes. In West Macedonia, born and raised On the playground was where I spent most of my days Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool And all shootin' some b-ball outside of the school

@praiza1481

2 ай бұрын

Nearchos : Neecoz Antigonos : Tejay Antipater : Padre Cleitos the Black : CB Eumenes : U-man Crateros : Lil' C

Alexanders' Opis Mutiny speech is amazing. Alexander absolutely led from the front. That speech is incredibly deep

@josephpercente8377

2 ай бұрын

Maybe not the greatest military mind, but he was the most successful general. Does one follow the other?

@Sandwich13455

2 ай бұрын

"there's not 1 inch of me unscarred at least from the front"

@louthegiantcookie

2 ай бұрын

It's a fascinating insight into Alexander the politician, using his image and his persona to further his agenda. And I don't mean that as a slight whatsoever, I think the speech shows how canny he was, which I find so interesting for a figure so often just perceived as a warrior and little else.

@gustavogoesgomes1863

2 ай бұрын

@@josephpercente8377 I think that people obsess over things that are just trivial. I mean, there is absolutely no way to objectively define who had the greatest military mind. so why does it matter? he was a military genius and one of the most proeminent figures from ancient history. isn't that enough?

@Raz.C

2 ай бұрын

@@louthegiantcookie I think Caesar's speech to the 4 rebelling Legions (including Legio XIIII and Legio X) was MUCH more canny and is a better example of true genius. With a single word (calling them "citizens," as opposed to "My fellow soldiers."), he both quells the rebellion and causes all 4 legions to beg him to take them back into his service (which he absolutely needed, but they didn't know that he needed). Caesar was a truly great general, as demonstrated by his ability to defeat enemies using exactly the same types of soldiers + equipment, etc, and to defeat larger armies of Roman Legions, too!! Alexander, by contrast, would have to have been able to defeat a larger army of sarissa-equipped phalanx infantry, supported by companion cavalry, which simply never happened. The regent of Macedon, left in charge of the place while Alexander was off in the east, used the new armies built by King Philip, to build his own empire. Several Greek nations took up arms against Macedon and all of them were soundly defeated by 'Forgotten General, The Great.' This shows that Alexander wasn't the deciding factor in the battles he fought, rather, the deciding factor was the army built by King Philip, that no one yet knew how to beat. I mean, if some unnamed regent (he wasn't really unnamed, I just forgot his name) was able to defeat the best of the Greeks, including Athenians and Spartans and he was able to do this with the dregs of what Alexander left behind...

Based on the last time Netflix did a "documentary" on a historical Macedonian, I would have thought that the question on everybody's mind would have been "Was Alexander black?"

@scottlidstone1902

2 ай бұрын

I don't care what they told you in school, Alexander the Great was Martian!

@bravocarlos1752

2 ай бұрын

​@@scottlidstone1902wrong he was Puerto Rican, my abuela's sister told me so at the last reunion!

@spiff1

2 ай бұрын

Alexander was a black paraplegic lesbian

@bobulationnation

2 ай бұрын

Or was he really a her

@SgtRocko

2 ай бұрын

Don't care WHAT your fancy-schmancy schools and EVIDENCE says - my MOTHER told me Alexander the Great was actually named Schloimek and he was a tinsmith in a little Shtetl just outside Bialystok.

I am a Conservative, but I have learned that we cannot use modern minds to talk about the ancient world. They had different societies and beliefs and putting modern spins to ancient beliefs always fails. We can't moralize the past with the present.

@metatronyt

2 ай бұрын

I appreciate your open mind towards historical research. Thanks for sharing and watching

@user-pt1ky6db9y

2 ай бұрын

As a Paleoliberatarian, I agree. Tbh, I didn't really care what Alexander was. I don't watch Netflix anymore. It was a right winger infact that told me Alexander was gay lol.

@easyegg9760

2 ай бұрын

Completely agree. You can’t look through history with a modern perspective. Morals and values are always changing

@Billy1690-ws8jz

2 ай бұрын

Nothing new under the sun.

@istvansipos9940

2 ай бұрын

"We can't moralize the past with the present." and if we discuss his relationships with consenting adults, there is no need to moralize anything anyway. those are all moral by default.

Agreed! The correct nickname for Ptolemy is obviously Lemmy

@whatever5401

2 ай бұрын

Ptolemmy

@jakoporeeno4654

2 ай бұрын

Is Hephaestion's nickname Feisty?

@dscouple2

2 ай бұрын

Born to raise hell :))

"Does it offend them? (....) Good luck with the Ptolomaic dynasty!" This remark made my day!

I am Greek. Your research on this matter, Metatron, is so insightful and valuable.

@metatronyt

2 ай бұрын

Thank you Mediterranean brother.

@johnwalzer9187

2 ай бұрын

Greece just legalized gay marriage. Congratulations to the many gay couples in Greece. You've waited long enough.

@charliejackson6192

2 ай бұрын

@@johnwalzer9187 never understood why anyone wants to interfere with other people’s relationships or how two gay people being married impacts their marriage in any way shape or form. Happy for those people

@urmom13st.

2 ай бұрын

it's a slippery slope to paedophilia. @@johnwalzer9187

@arnijulian6241

2 ай бұрын

​@@johnwalzer9187 The Greek public are against it mind. The Church of Greece is eastern orthodox & no Eastern Orthodox nation has allowed gay marriage which could end in civil war. Greece has had internal war for much less! I might be godless but I can understand the role the church plays in any western nation & marriage is a sacred part of that which the alphabet people don't realise they are losing what little good will Christendom has for them. My self I can't help but laugh at the alphabet people for they see that they are destroying the few friends & allies they have. Can't wait for the Islamic lot to end their precarious neutrality as their scripture on non stright marriage or relations is very clear & the punishment to those that don't abide the Quran severe. Being a stright but basically celibate due to my failed health while a godless Englishmen it is not my concern. Still as an outside onlooker it amusing to watch this lunacy unfold.

“Liberals, conservatives… I’m gonna piss everyone off today” Alright! Let me get the popcorn.

@zerberus_ms

2 ай бұрын

That was my favorite line of the episeode.😂

@bobsaggater3454

2 ай бұрын

For real. I'm sick and tired of both groups and their idiotic closed mindedness and assumptions.

@Bdfhvj

2 ай бұрын

@@bobsaggater3454absolutely with you on that!!!!

@rorschach775

2 ай бұрын

My modern brain being like "Oh he wasn't gay or straight, he just had watery semen. Got it."

@gregpenismith1248

2 ай бұрын

It's just idiotic to think that a person can remove all bias. It's human nature to add bias. While bias can me minimized, it can't be eliminated by people. This dude is so high on his own farts he thinks he has transcended humanity, and can talk about a subject without bias.

In the case of Caesar, I think we have 2 credible examples of him fighting alongside his men: The Battle of the Sabis and the battle of Munda. In the former, the evidence says that he threw down his (something) and picked up a shield, to fight alongside his men. In the latter, the sources quote him as saying "In other battles I fought for victory. At Munda, I fought for my life!" Since the battle of Munda happened AFTER the battle of the Sabis, I think it's fair to assume that "fighting for my life" meant picking up a shield- again- and fighting alongside his soldiers. Again.

@paultyson4389

2 ай бұрын

As a young man, serving on the staff of a Roman governor in Asia Minor, Caesar won Rome's highest award for bravery, "crown of oak leaves(?) whilst scaling the wall of a fortress on Miletus(?) in the Aegean Sea. Roman commanders rarely if ever actually fought in battle, they were there to command and Caesar was no exception. He was a brilliant commander, and a great inspirer of his men. He was caught in a very difficult situation with his army strung out along the Sabis River in Gaul and the Nervii closing in on the particular legion he was with. It was a desperate fight but Caesar was organising and encouraging his men until other legions came to their aid, not actually fighting. The Battle of Munda in Spain (45BC) was Caesar's last battle against the remnants of the Pompeiians led by Pompey's two sons. Caesar's legions were by this time heartily sick of the civil war. They had just marched 12 miles to confront the Pompeiians on a hill but when Caesar ordered them to charge they balked. Caesar was forced to put himself in great personal danger to get his troops to charge up the hill. They then charged but Caesar himself did no actual fighting. He was "fighting for his life" because his men were heartily sick of fighting.

Ever since I watched it I’ve been waiting for this. Thanks for the video.

Watching netflix documentaries is like watching fan fiction, can't be called a documentary.

@lucas182512

2 ай бұрын

they call this crap "docudrama". There are no words to explain how much I hate the term. Pick a damn side netflix!!!!

@runek100

2 ай бұрын

Cocaine cowboys was lit

As an aside, Alexander and Hephaestion identifying with Achilles and Patroclus has another basis. Alexander believed that, on his mother's side, he was a descendant of Achilles. On his father's side Herakles (Hercules) was believed to be his ancestor. This kinship myth was very important to Alexander. City-states and kingdoms of Ancient Greece would usually claim descent from various such figures believed to be historical.

@Alejojojo6

2 ай бұрын

Its obvious he liked him and had more than just a friendship. Which is fine, doesnt make him less of a man. The comparison is just a way to show their love similarity and ancestry as equal to the gods.

@TheChosen2030

2 ай бұрын

They might have been historical

@KonstanzArrens

2 ай бұрын

@@TheChosen2030 Some may have been, indeed.

@IphigeniaAtAulis

2 ай бұрын

In point of fact, some great leaders would commission works of literature in order to legitimize their rule by claiming descent from great historical/mythical figures. The most well known case is the Aeneid by Virgil. Augustus Caesar actually commission Virgil to make it in order to legitimize his rule of Rome by claiming descent from Aeneas and Romulus.

@KonstanzArrens

2 ай бұрын

@@IphigeniaAtAulis The Romans again borrowed this myhological figure' from the Greeks. Aeneas is mentioned in Homer's ''Iliad'', the son of the Trojan prince Anchises and the Greek goddess Aphrodite (Venus for the Romans). A minor figure in Greek mythology was turned into the first great hero of Rome.

This was so good! I love your work! Thank you!

I always love your perspective. Thank you.

claims to be the son of Zeus, sleeps with everything Checks out.

@Gynra

2 ай бұрын

Verily, a chip off the old block.

@septimiusseverus343

2 ай бұрын

Truly his father's son.

@madcyborg1822

2 ай бұрын

He wasn't gay or bisexual though.

@hjalmar5995

2 ай бұрын

@madcyborg1822 sounded like he was, but it was his college phase.

@angelvenus-africa4161

Ай бұрын

Gay as a soldier but straight when around woman alone and no other gay activities happening. Or let's just say for the sake of it all they had bisexual relations regularly .

4:43 THIS! Imagine being brought up by that type of parents. One was a military innovator while the other was whispering "You are the scion of God's" If Alexander didn't believe he was destined by the gods for success I highly doubt he would have been so bold.

@michellebyrom6551

2 ай бұрын

It certainly explains his fearlessness. Hit by an arrow? Pfft. A mere splinter to a god.

@kathleenhensley5951

2 ай бұрын

Hard to say, for sure but it certainly played a role in his life's arc. Also, wasn't enough he believed he was the son of Zeus, but he actually had the brains and courage to carry his conquests so far. His tragic flaw was his love of drink... he drove himself too hard and died at 33.

@musikgirl7

2 ай бұрын

Imagine what we all could achieve with such grandiose encouragement. If we all truly believed we were children of the gods, would we behave differently? Worms and cans, man…

@ArchonShon

2 ай бұрын

@@kathleenhensley5951 Agreed. You can have all the tools and encouragement in world and not have the courage to do anything of importance. A big strength that Alexander leaned on was his companions. Like your friends in real life might make you brave enough to do something crazy or in Alexander's part historical.

@blindknitter

2 ай бұрын

This is how we know Alexander the Great was actually Irish. All Irish Mammies think their first born son is the son of God. (The sons all think their Mammy's a virgin, so it balances out.)

Also yes the whole reason he died was due to injuries he got on the frontline catching up to him, so he definitely fought on the frontlines

Alexander (and his father) were incredibly underrated in sieges... they were masterful in a siege. Alexander was not simply a cavalry leader!

@Vicus_of_Utrecht

2 ай бұрын

He was also a taco vendor

Metatron: I'm going to piss everyone off today Me *grabs popcorn*

@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen

2 ай бұрын

Metatron pissing people off is premium content

@scrappydoo7887

2 ай бұрын

*copies comment with good interaction

@Hotchpotchsoup

2 ай бұрын

Coincidentally, when I drink coffee my piss smells like popcorn.

@lxixadventures9240

2 ай бұрын

he literally smoking a cigar at gas station while spitting mad facts 😂

@TheKrispyfort

2 ай бұрын

🍿🍿🍿🧋🍿🍿🍿

The big issue is not that Alexander was interested in both man and woman, it's more that Netlix pushing only in one direction. They didn't explain or tried to explain how Alexander was interested in beauty, but only showed one side of it while using modern approach to it instead of how it was seen back then.

@zzodysseuszz

2 ай бұрын

I don’t believe he believe he preferred both. It doesn’t seem to match much of what was accepted at the time. I know they used to accuse leaders they didn’t like of being into men very often, could such a trend have muddied historical data?

@MartyrOfNoir

2 ай бұрын

@@zzodysseuszzThis is cope

@MartyrOfNoir

2 ай бұрын

Alexander was bisexual

@ManiacMayhem7256

2 ай бұрын

Oliver Stone kinda made this mistake too, albeit to a lesser extent. Issue with movie is it seems like he doesn't truly care for Roxanna at all and no mention is made of his... harem tendencies

@unbreakable7633

2 ай бұрын

Ancient times and cultures cannot be compared to the modern world.

Sure, keep them coming. I appreciate your scholarly observations. Grazie.

Thank you for going into detail

Oliver Stone's 'Alexander' looks like a masterpiece in comparison to this Netflix lunacy! Very informative analysis by Metatron, thank you!

@finolacat8355

2 ай бұрын

Which tells us a LOT about how bad this one is! 😅😉

@agonsfitness7308

2 ай бұрын

​@@finolacat8355to be fair though it's the absolute exception to the rule. That movie is bad despite being incredibly historically accurate. Whenever I think about perhaps giving it another chance I always end up remembering how much everyone shouts at each other.

@matthewy2j

2 ай бұрын

The Battle of Gaugamela is such a good sequence. The rest of the movie doesn't hold up very well but the lead up and the battle itself was great.

@Zed-fq3lj

2 ай бұрын

'Alexander' is of course by no means a masterpiece, but the Final Cut is a GOOD movie (which is not enough concerning the director, the input, the money etc)...Of course - as mentioned ''the ''shouting'' is poor directing, Jolie - abysmal casting and performance, but objectively the movie has more pluses than minuses and I gladly re-watch it (The Final Cut) and Vangelis music as always is simply sublime and PERFECT!@@agonsfitness7308

@regonik

2 ай бұрын

​@@agonsfitness7308well we don't have an audio of ancient Greeks talking. Could have as well shouted a lot.

Even Oliver Stone got it right with Philip II's missing eye in his Alexander film.

@fran3ro

2 ай бұрын

Wasan't he also limping in the movie?

@xtremeranger30

2 ай бұрын

@@fran3ro Yeah you see his lame leg too.

@gustavgyll3291

2 ай бұрын

Alexander hade the best advisor ever. Don’t remember his name but he was at that time the worlds leading historian on Alexander the Great and a professor at Oxford. He hade one demand, that he would be one of the companies at the battle of gaugamela, and you can see him riding close to Alexander. Some historical facts are wrong from what we know today but at the time it was close to perfect, as close as you can make it in a movie.

@GermanOlle

2 ай бұрын

@@gustavgyll3291 Yep, that was Robert Lane Fox.

@ABC1701A

2 ай бұрын

Didn't he have a genuine expert in the period to add authenticity though, and even then I seem to remember reading (complaint from the expert) that he had to remove huge chunks because it upset various sub-sections of US society who couldn't deal with facts.

This is such an insightful and well research and source-backed presentation. Bravo.

🤣 Julius Caesar "Mama mia, pasta, grazie!" just made my day

@real_nosferatu

Ай бұрын

Augustus*

Sounds like a significant improvement over Cleopatra at least

@ThepupsnameisBrian

2 ай бұрын

Well, at least they didn't try to claim "Alex" was black.

@metatronyt

2 ай бұрын

I'll take it

@KageKodesh

2 ай бұрын

​@@ThepupsnameisBrian yet 😅

@modanmardaanye

2 ай бұрын

Shitflix's Alesanduh: We wuz kangz N ghey shiiiet@@ThepupsnameisBrian

@vladtheinhaler8940

2 ай бұрын

​@@modanmardaanyehe always kissed his homies goodnight.

in this day and age i spend most of my time unlearning everything I've been taught

@easyegg9760

2 ай бұрын

It’s pretty fun to be honest, learning that most of history taught is a lie, or a half truth without context. Unfortunately, it’s hard to discuss things with others because it goes against their reality

@Dmgfromdmv

2 ай бұрын

@@easyegg9760 very true hardest thing is having someone to talk to about it in real life

@legueu

2 ай бұрын

That's just life. 😅

@tiberseptim8434

2 ай бұрын

Then you either live somewhere very bad, or you‘re delusional. Most info we are taught isn’t wrong, it‘s simplified and summarized badly. Info on Alexander is widely available, and commonly known.

@Dmgfromdmv

2 ай бұрын

@@tiberseptim8434 I wasn’t specifically talking about Alexander just in general relax bro

You really out here inflicting yourself this for us. Thx bro.

Thank you metatron ! I love your assessment

My children are beginning college and they have both watched your channel fairly regularly. Thank you for being a catalyst to their curiosity.

Richard the Lion Heart did fight at the tip of the spear He waded in and piled up bodies all around him “Hand me my Danish axe”

@Isildun9

2 ай бұрын

Alexander, Richard the Lion Heart, and Gustav II Adolf of Sweden, all kings who liked to lead from the front

@massacolonel5950

2 ай бұрын

@@Isildun9 Charles XII of Sweden as well.

@AEB1066

2 ай бұрын

Robert the Bruce killed an English knight, snapping his axe handle while caving in the knight's skull. He then complained to his men that the horrible Englishman broke his axe with his face.

@MorgottofLeyendell

2 ай бұрын

@@AEB1066 A truly Scottish move, good in the Bruce.

@Patrick-xv6qv

2 ай бұрын

​@@Isildun9Julius Ceasar as well often fought in the front lines

My memory of reading about Alexander and his army, while is about 30 years ago, is that he inherited his fathers well drilled soldiers. Principally his heavy infantry phalanx. They didn’t seem to get much attention in what I saw. All glory went to the cavalry, but if I’m not mistaken, they were the cream of the army but the heavy lifting (and largest part) was the phalanx. Might be wrong though and happy to be corrected.

@adambielen8996

2 ай бұрын

Alexander's army consisted of three parts. The Cavalry, the Phalanxes, and the light infantry. All were seen as important and Alexander was noted for giving the left flank to his Thracian Peltasts (javelin throwing light infantry) which was a position of great honor. But yes, the Phalanxes of pikemen where extremely important and the key to Macedonian success, they were unbeatable from the front.

@Vicus_of_Utrecht

2 ай бұрын

No the cooks did the heavy lifting

The definitive analysis. Nice ad placement by the way, wicked smart. 😂

At this point i'm just glad that Alexander isn't played by Idriss Elba.

@TheSuperappelflap

2 ай бұрын

Im glad they didnt turn him into a strong black woman

@dennisaskeland7603

2 ай бұрын

Alexandra the great black girl boss

@guyfawkes8384

2 ай бұрын

Strong black trans woman in a wheelchair, who competes and wins championships in female arm wrestling.@@TheSuperappelflap

@bruenor82

2 ай бұрын

but it's Idriss Elba...

@marcodeluca8207

2 ай бұрын

Well, if they chose Idris Elba but also to be accurate in the rest of the historical facts, could have been even a funny but good choice. For example, I have been watching the Anne Boleyn miniseries on Netflix, where not only Anne is black, but also semi-lesbian with Jane Seymour. Netflix writers seem to know no shame at any level.

I'm going to use this to one-up my gamer friends. "Arrow in the knee? I took a spear in the knee! Check this out!"

@willowthistle3648

2 ай бұрын

I'm a 57 year old woman, and I laughed so hard about that. I even called my son and had him watch that part so we could laugh together. That exact phrase was going through my head when he said he had a spear wound to his knee. I may have the humor of a 12 year old boy. But, in my own defense, I'm a single mom of 2 boys. My son first recommended this channel, and it's one of my favorites. ❤

@realah3001

2 ай бұрын

The term arrow to the knee refers to marriage

@Grandwigg

2 ай бұрын

Hahahaha, beat me to it.

Fascinating, thank you.

Love your channel ❤

Regarding Section 7, as is usually the case with most things: the truth is a lot more nuanced than most people are willing to admit; or, at least requires more patience than people are often willing to give. One of the many reasons I like your channel, Metatron, is that you're willing to explore subtlety and nuance in the pursuit of truth. Thank you for your work!

Oh come on, Meta! First Shad, now you. I have to go to sleep today and it's almost midnight in Europe.

@asellandrofacchio7263

2 ай бұрын

Come on it's only 23:40 😉

@garvielloken8494

2 ай бұрын

Same it's almost 2 AM here...

@wireless-earbuds-brain-tumor

2 ай бұрын

It's after midnight, what are you on about?! It's almost like you posted this comment an hour ago

@legacyShredder1

2 ай бұрын

@@wireless-earbuds-brain-tumor First off it's only 7pm. It's like you guys don't live in my exact geographic location in this specific moment in time.

@spiff1

2 ай бұрын

Where I live it's Monday

Hi!, love your content. As an advice, you could add a menu on your video so is easier to navigate through it :)

great vid with source and cited material

Netflix forgot the most important rule, the rule of cool. The Alexander movie from the 2000's understood this concept but for some reason Netflix is oblivious to this.

It’s obvious Netflix should stop doing historical shows and movies. They pretty much suck or are mediocre at it. True they had some well done ones in the past, but now they don’t care about the actual accuracy and just add whatever they think works for audiences and say that it’s educational or accurate.

@timesthree5757

2 ай бұрын

As opposed to anyone else making a drama based on historical events. The key word is movie. Cinema art, not fact.

@sweetpapad4674

2 ай бұрын

The Outlaw king, the road to victory docs, the best of enemies, Ottomans rise of an empire doc, and siege of Johannesburg were all done by Netflix

@GothPaoki

2 ай бұрын

When you intentionally push agendas it's not art it's propaganda ​@@timesthree5757

@scrappydoo7887

2 ай бұрын

It's absolutely intentionally done

@kirschakos

2 ай бұрын

What's strange is that they use historians... but looks like they never listens to them so what's the purpose?

Good video. I have my issues with Netflix series too. Thank you for breaking it down.

This is an excellent video. Thank you.

Metatron: "Alexander considers lust a weakness, because he thinks himself a aon of Zeus." (paraphrasing) Me: "Are talking about the same Zeus? The guy who's sleeping around is responsible for around half of the Greek mythology?"

@Moses_VII

2 ай бұрын

Maybe, as a son of Zeus, he sees his father as a bad example.

@goodoldgrim

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't it be fair to consider that Zeus' weakest aspect though?

@FaceJP24

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, the Greeks themselves didn't view their gods as infallible/perfect. So it's not necessarily incompatible with their world view to view some of the gods' actions as weaknesses/flaws to avoid.

@Raximus3000

2 ай бұрын

Though he did that across centuries.

@thechazz3230

2 ай бұрын

Zeus's lust was considered by The Greeks to be his humane fallibility. Unlike the memes you're regurgitating here. It wasn't a defining trait of his. It was a one of the representations of the aspects of him that he passed down to us when making us. Zeus was The Greek All Father/Creator who molded mankind in his image, without him having that "weakness of lust" it wouldn't make sense for us, his creations to have that as well. Use your rationality for a minute rather than just spouting jokes you saw on Reddit as historical Canon.

One thing to note is that the sources themselves aren't free of grudges, bias, preference, slander or what have you. It's evident in the wording some use, like Atheneus and Rufus, or Diogenes. It's extremely evident in Roman politics, and we should also mention that all sources listed are from the Roman times, not in Alexander's life, so make of that what you will. I doubt they'd be free of interpretational preference, like the case of Achilles and Patroclus. This isn't to support one case or the other but for some reason the moment people see a source it's like they forget, that we didn't develop personal bias yesterday. People have been twisting past figures to support their current politics or beliefs since antiquity.

@ardias40k

2 ай бұрын

In addition, the majority of sources can only be generously called secondary and were written by people who lived well passed the lifetime of Alexander and any contemporaries. For example, some of the existing documents from that time are stone tablets with letters from Alexander to the Greek Cities.

@ardias40k

2 ай бұрын

Just as an aside, Metatron mentioned frequently Plutarch who was 400 years after Alexander lived. I think we have to accept that we actually can't know because all sources are flawed and we really only know the man existed and the general scope of his successes.

@mowvu5380

2 ай бұрын

always think this. there were definitely bs merchants back then same as today

@Hearth123

Ай бұрын

Exactly, very important to keep that in mind especially with the wording in some of the sources

@davoid0716

Ай бұрын

Brilliantly said. Someone wrote something about him, oh it must be true then!! xD

Greek philologist here and I have to say that although the video is made to educate it ends up misinform the audience. Let's start with the basic (which I've seen in another video of this channel as well): 1) Pederasty, the practice of Pederasty was pedagogical and not pedophilic. This notion comes from Dover whose ideas you seem to share. Those ideas are derived by the false translation of the words Εραστής and Ερώμενος (not Ερωμένος as it is usually confused as), you showed that the meaning of these words is "Lover" and "loved one" and while Wikipedia appears to be the source of information for many, the actual translation of the words in Greek is "Mentor" and "Mentee", the translations you provide are closer to modern Greek than ancient, it's like translating the word εγχειρίδιον from an ancient Greek text with a modern translation (in modern Greek it means a book while in ancient Greek it means knife). The words Εραστής and Ερώμενος in the ancient Greek lexicon are synonyms to the words Εισπνήλας and Αΐτας which also mean Mentor and Mentee. As we can see from Plutarch, Xebophon and many others (even Plato who is more than not mistaken as an "open-minded" individual) if such a relationship turned sexual that was not only frowned upon, but the constitutions of many cities punished such behavior even with death (see the constitutions of Athens and the Lacedaemonians). Also it was never something that was encouraged or wanted by the student, who would feel repulse, hatred and anger towards their teacher. The act would bring shame not only to the Εραστής but also to the Ερώμενος, this whole concept of passive and active didn't exist until the Roman period, for the Greeks it was seen as Πάρα φύσιν (unnatural/against nature) whether you were active or passive. It is also worth mentioning that in common Greek or Koine the word Εραστής came to mean Admirer and the word Ερώμενος assumed a similar meaning to fan/or loyal subject. With that being said, let's move on to point number two 2) Achilles and Patroclus, although my previous point already explains the relationship, I should just add that it was never a debate between whether or not the two heroes were sexual partners, the debate was whether Patroclus was the Mentor who taught Achilles (since Patroclus according to Homer was older) or like we see in the Symposium by Plato (a view of Aeschylus) if it was Achilles who was the older and mentored Patroclus (which is more often than not the way it is depicted today). 3) The Greeks did have a word for it, they had many words for it (none of which were good). The most commonly used was Κίναιδος (he who drags shame behind him), Ευρυπρωκτος (broad assed) , Γυνίς (effeminate) and many more. Any act that was seen as effeminate by the Greeks was considered Πάρα φύσιν and depending on the city state, it was punished (in Sparta for example as we can see by both Xenophon and Maximus of Tyre it was punishable with death or exile, while in Crete it was more acceptable and therefore not punished). 4) The sources claiming any romantic relationship between Alexander and another man are all Roman or byzantine, no Greek source makes such claims. Most famous of the sources are Arrian (writing the anabasis for his patron Hadrian) and Athenaeus (who was writing for his patrons, the Roman elite, and who's work is considered by academics the most unreliable of sources since most of his claims can't be found anywhere else. I mean he literally claims that Plutarch was at the symposium together with him and the Roman elite and agreed on everything Athenaeus said...that is after Plutarch's death, also his work literally condradict the Deipnosophists). The actual evidence of Alexander having any romantic relationship with other men are as many and reliable as the sources that claim Julius Caesar having affair with other men. 5) Translation, unfortunately English translations are less accurate than the Netflix documentaries, for example in "Life of Alexander" by Plutarch, we see a passage translated as "He embraced him and kissed him passionately" (talking about Alexander kissing Bagoas), but the Greek texts says nothing about passionate kissing or anything about passion at all, the passage translated as "kissed him passionately" is "ἄχρι οὗ περιβαλὼν κατεφίλησεν" which translates "until he hugged him and kissed him twice" καταφιλάω/ώ means to kiss someone on the cheek more than once/twice and we see that many times as a form of congratulating someone in Greek texts (we can even go further and talk about the meaning of a kiss in persian culture). 6)Alexander's rejection of the boys sent by Philoxenus, the point made there is clear and no it's not compared to women or anything else the passage starts by saying "Σωκράτης ἠνέσχετο συγκοιμηθέντος Ἀλκιβιάδου" just like Socrates ἠνέσχετο, which means to find something shameful or to be repulsed by something, to sleep with Alcibiades (or to sleep on the same bed)...and then goes on to explain why Alexander was against the idea of sleeping with men/youths, it doesn't compare anything to him sleeping with women. When it comes to the claims about Hephaestion, people should really read about what his role was in the Macedonian army and how that made him spend most of his time away from the rest of the members of the Heteroi and Alexander. Also the guy referring to Alexander's body being covered in scars is a reference to Alexander's speech during the mutiny of Opis in which he says that his body is covered in scars made by all sorts of weapons(except from his back). The video was made for a good cause, but it lacked basic philological knowledge.

@rosasiren9923

2 ай бұрын

Perfect!👍👏👏👏

@user-cj5ml3rt9b

2 ай бұрын

Εξαιρετικός!Μου παραχωρείς το δικαίωμα να το αναπαράγω ως έχει και σ' άλλα κατάπτυστα, συκοφαντικά βίντεο - αντιδράσεις στο συγκεκριμένο ντοκιμαντέρ, που υποτίθεται ότι αντιτάσσονται στην προπαγάνδα της woke κουλτούρας αλλά αντιθέτως την εξυπηρετούν άριστα είτε από άγνοια είτε από σκοπιμότητα;

@thegermaniccoenus2525

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the info.

@Moses_VII

2 ай бұрын

thanks

@heimdul2981

2 ай бұрын

Thorough debunking

Thank you for your erudite and clear-eyed analysis. A real breath of fresh air.

Male friendship is apparently a foreign concept to modern writers.

@AS-qy1zl

2 ай бұрын

Oh wow they’re still on THAT lol?

@Doug_M

2 ай бұрын

You have close male friends...that makes you part of the rainbow crowd. According to the crazy left anyways.

@Blinxvibro1334

2 ай бұрын

It's either men are toxic or lovers can't be in-between 😝

@mattshaw4016

2 ай бұрын

Exactly, if you admire a male while being a male they automatically think you are gay... The warped minds of actual gay people, it's why they try and convert any straight guy they see.

@PureMaddnessOne

2 ай бұрын

Same with bromances.

It was common practice during the Greek Classic Age for Greek commanders to fight in the front line. Alexander was just following Greek practices. Even his father, Phillip II, lost an eye and was wounded in the leg during battles. That doesn't happen in the rear.

@itsMe_TheHerpes

2 ай бұрын

it was also common practice to be LGBT+ so then, why is everyone so upset about it ? does it really matter if Alexander was LGBT or not ?

@tomjackson4374

2 ай бұрын

@@itsMe_TheHerpes Because most men think sex between two men is disgusting, and so did most Greeks. It was not as wide spread as homosexuals want us to believe.

@tomjackson4374

2 ай бұрын

@@itsMe_TheHerpes No, it wasn't that common.

@toncek9981

2 ай бұрын

@@itsMe_TheHerpes Dude, you just watched a video about the fact that applying our ideas about LGBTQ on classical Greeks is a nonsense, so WTF? BTW Metatron also has a video where debunks the myth that homosexuality (as we understand it today) was common and widely accepted in ancient Greece. IMHO no one normal is really upset about anyone being anything if there is historical evidence for it. People (me included) are upset about history being bent to suit whatever modern political worldview - making Alexander monogamic straight man would be just as insulting as making him purely gay, simply because neither corresponds with know historical sources.

@zzodysseuszz

2 ай бұрын

@@itsMe_TheHerpes except it was extremely rare and the legitimacy of cases where it actually existed are questionable at best and completely fabricated at worst.

Merci pour la vidéo

Thank you.. Your following the evidence no matter who gets pissed off is what makes your videos great.

About 14:30 _"... someone cries because his best friend died, he must be gay, they must have been in a relationship."_ That's ludicrous. What would such people say about a teacher mourning the death of one of his students?

@nicolethompson8613

2 ай бұрын

That seems an odd example. Any teacher who actually mourns a student, (rather than just being sad about it), would be suspect in my eyes. I wouldn't want any teacher so attached to my kid that they go around crying about it as if they were family (or a friend). I have been a Sunday School teacher and then coordinator at my church for years, having the same kids to work with for years in a row, having lots of events and being part of the church family, too. If something happened to one of them, I would be sad about it, might even cry a little, but I wouldn't "mourn". Not trying to be mean, maybe your interpretation of the word "mourn" is different from mine. Plus some of us are a bit touchy about the teachers or president who claim other people's children as "all of our children". I agree that mourning someone doesn't mean that you are romantically in love with them, fwiw, but I might use a better example than teacher and student.

@ashyroy9454

2 ай бұрын

​@@nicolethompson8613wow, you might be heartless then. If a teacher doesn't mourn their student their heart is made of stone

@nicolethompson8613

2 ай бұрын

@@ashyroy9454 be sad, yes. Mourning is a different thing. I am far from heartless. Mourning is defined as: "the expression of deep sorrow for someone who has died, typically involving following certain conventions such as wearing black clothes.".

@Kp42083

2 ай бұрын

​@nicolethompson8613 I didn't have very good parents growing up and my teachers completely helped me survive my childhood by providing good examples and supporting me. I talked to my first grade teacher until she died. This is a sad view that you have.

@spinosaurusstriker

2 ай бұрын

@@Kp42083 its obvious that your teacher was gay dude pfff

😂😂😂 the beginning, hilarious. Just the your face lol

@anta3612

2 ай бұрын

He was not amused! 😊

@Hollie0981

2 ай бұрын

this 😂

@Pharaoh_Tutankhamen

2 ай бұрын

That's how you know it's gonna be a good video

@curtblackwaterbassvick8112

2 ай бұрын

So true, I'm glad we have him. He is a treasure!

@Isildun9

2 ай бұрын

That was the kind of face I imagine Mussolini had when he began receiving the reports of his invasion of Greece in 1940.

marvellous video. Bravo!

Great video, noble one! I learned tons :)

About Alexander;s wounds Plutarch lists a great number of them. He had A LOT. Also, King Philipp was assassinated on the road tio the thater of Aigai not inside a room as they showed.

@edfilandrianos

2 ай бұрын

Technically, he died a he was walking out to make his appearance. I know what you meant, but the term “On the road” makes it sound like he was traveling to an uninformed reader.

@fiamou

2 ай бұрын

@@edfilandrianos You are right. But in the show they killed him indoors, which is BS.

As a Greek i don't think Metatron really understands the respect and love that grows inside me about him!

@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329

2 ай бұрын

Get a room.

@christhegreek3667

2 ай бұрын

@@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 Lmfao,not in that way!

@kyle18934

2 ай бұрын

​@christhegreek3667 what did you think of this show? I havnt watched it nor have any interest in watching it so I don't know how it is.

@christhegreek3667

2 ай бұрын

@@kyle18934 The show has 6 episodes in total ,counting 40-45 minutes each, that's a lot of time wasted considering you can find KZread channels making more informative and detailed videos about Alexander The Great. Something to note is that the music was TOP NOTCH! Maybe something that i liked in the series!

@kirstenmabee1124

2 ай бұрын

Gay

great start

Really well done.

In regards to Alexander’s Battle wounds and leading from the front lines , Alexander biographer Flavius Arrianus notes the multi battle injuries sustained by Alexander through his campaign, from long range weapons to close quarter weapons . Even Alexander himself in his speech described the wounds he sustained along side his troops

@MasterIceyy

2 ай бұрын

he did claim to never have suffered a wound from the back, but I guess that's probably meant to mean he's never fled from combat

@AandKify

2 ай бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrian This guy? Meaning 400 years later?

@Billswiftgti

2 ай бұрын

@@AandKify Yes, this guy is calling Hephestion "eromenos". So he must be right.

@peytonalexander5300

2 ай бұрын

"Who among you believes he’s worked harder for me than I have for him? Come on! If you’ve got scars, strip and show them to me. I’ll show you mine! There isn’t one part of my body, the front at least, that doesn’t bear a wound! Swords, arrows, stones, clubs. All for the sake of your lives, your glory, and your wealth." -Alexander the Great addressing his troops following the Opis Mutiny, 324 BC

Metatron needs to start all his videos with ten seconds of angry Jesus stare.

@allanturmaine5496

2 ай бұрын

Pray we don't earn the Jesus Glare.

@kathleenhensley5951

2 ай бұрын

He does it so well, downright scary, even to someone my age, and I'm old enough to be his grandmama.

@chelleyroberts

2 ай бұрын

It does make a point. You see it and immediately think “oh crap, what did Netflix do now?”

@thomashauer6804

2 ай бұрын

well Metatron would choose a historical figure and not a character from mythology i would guess.. (:yes flavius josephus did mention him one time but not with specifics).i was raised catholic dont be triggered church crowd. it is my opinion and my right

@allanturmaine5496

2 ай бұрын

@@thomashauer6804 your opinion is boring, and you missed the joke.

Everyone who knows anything knows that Alexander's one true love was Bucephalus...

@TC-lb4gl

2 ай бұрын

Don't underestimate how much you can appreciate the loyalty of a horse. Probably considered that horse more valuable than half his generals.

@Cyrus_T_Laserpunch

2 ай бұрын

Alexander couldn't be defeated in battle because he was already used to having his organs rearranged.

Video bellissimo. Bravo!

Netflix's Alexander makes Oliver Stone's Alexander look amazing.

@Hypernefelos

2 ай бұрын

Oliver Stone's Alexander is unironically the best when it comes to showing Alexander's battles (until it gets to India and makes a mess of things). But is also gave us 'Babylon, Persia', which is repeated here. Way to obfuscate Babylon's status as a conquered rival imperial capital that was in frequent revolt against Persia.

@badlaamaurukehu

2 ай бұрын

Rosario in her prime.

@EagleLeader1

2 ай бұрын

@@badlaamaurukehu true but she's aging gracefully though.

@thomasmorris8435

2 ай бұрын

She had a nice figure🤤

@Max1990Power

2 ай бұрын

That movie was inspired by the books by valeri massimo manfredi

I enjoy your insistence that modern interpretations of relationships be dropped and instead relationships be understood in the context of the time. It not only helps with historical accuracy but also helps sociologically for us to understand how different cultures understood the relationship of the sexes and sexual relationships and how those understandings have changed over time. To interpret such relationships from a modern perspective loses valuable sociological data. Love those 72 wings.

@blugaledoh2669

2 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dIJ1tpayktbgj6g.htmlsi=zCFISDmEAl6Fhdm2

@Mr.Witness

2 ай бұрын

How is having sex with a man not gay in any time period?

@nerag7459

2 ай бұрын

Lets face it, sex with a man is twice as manly as sex with a woman. This is a fact.

@RationalistMH

2 ай бұрын

@@Mr.Witness What is modern is how you label and understand same sex desires and relations. Having sex with a man would not have you labelled as 'gay' , nor would having sex with a woman have you labeled as 'straight'. Sexuality was something you did, more of an action. They were also not so concerned and worried about falling into one or other box. Things changed with Abrahamic religions and their obsession with sins of the flesh and then in the modern era with science and the pathologization and characterisation of different characteristics into identity features.

@seanbeckett4019

2 ай бұрын

@@Mr.Witness "Gay" and "homosexual" are not the same thing. A man can engage in homosexual activity, as well as heterosexual activity...what does that "make" him? If his attractions are 80% towards women, but 20% towards men...what then?

The Greek language has many different words that describe different kinds of love. Some examples: Φιλία is friendship. Στοργή is filial. Αγάπη is a general affection. Ανιδιοτελής αγάπη is unconditional love. Αφοσίωση is devotion. Έρως is romantic/sexual. Μανία is obsessive. Φιλαυτία is egoism. Λαγνεία is lust.

@timmyturner327

2 ай бұрын

interesting.

@naevan1

2 ай бұрын

these terms change within the span of 25 centuries

@locusta-bw2vd

2 ай бұрын

@@naevan1 But you can still find the ancient meaning of the words because the ancient Greeks themselves wrote the definitions.

@zvezda4701

2 ай бұрын

Dang, the last time I remember hearing this was from a Jesuit theology professor a long time ago! Very interesting!

@naevan1

2 ай бұрын

@@locusta-bw2vd on what dialect ? The attic? The Macedonian? The Laconian? It is not as simple and most papers just speculate and project the historians own beliefs in it, so take everything with a grain of salt

I saw the trailer and that’s it .. Alexander’s real history is already fascinating. Thank you for your passion and dedication to history and finding historical accuracy.

Another historical inaccuracy was when they showed the city of Babylon with the Ishtar Gate seemingly on the outer wall of the city when in fact it was a gateway into the sacred precincts of the city on the Processional Way near the center of the cityl

Just finished this series not one hour ago, and my very first thought was, "Can't wait until Metatron does a video on this."

The Spartans called the Athenians "Boy-Lovers. The Athenians called the Spartans "Boy-lovers". The Romans called the Greeks in general "Boy-lovers". Very common insult in ancient times. I don't believe those kind of allegations in history unless they are from contemporaries who were friends of the person in question.

@Justin-vq9co

20 күн бұрын

Looks “lmao you mad gay you sussy Baka” is an older than most think

@user-ho9ui6wc2d

14 күн бұрын

“I hate it so its not right” lmao cope

thank you!

Netflix invites you to hear the story of one of history’s greatest conquerors: Alexander the Great. Played by one of the most compelling actors of our time: Jada Pinkett-Smith. The New York Times raves: Pinkett-Smith delivers a powerful performance as Alexander. The Washington Post proclaims: Pinkett-Smith has forever altered the way we will picture Alexander the Great. And National Inquirer exclaims: Don’t ever let anyone tell you different - Alexander the Great was a Black Woman.

@silverchairsg

2 ай бұрын

So brave!

Great video as usual. This is the kind of analysis I was looking for. Historical accuracy and integrity make or break a historical drama. Sadly there are so few that reach the heights needed.

King Phillips body( skeleton)Alexander's father is in an museum Vergina( in Thessaloniki Macedonia, ive seen it. We still search for Alexander's body.Love from Greece 🇬🇷 ❤🎉

@Clint52279

2 ай бұрын

How tall was he?

@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking

2 ай бұрын

Alexander's body is very likely in Venice. "Saint Mark's" body, which happens to be a mummy, was evacuated from Egypt and taken to Venice long ago. Curiously, the sarcophagus shows the sarissa spear and Macedon symbol of the sun.... Edit - and a chunk of it is in the foundation of St Mark's cathedral. Alexander was said to be taken to Egypt after death - and mummified / buried there. Hmmm.... Edit - mummified, not "modified" autocorrect 😅

You have my subscription and I have nearly add your channel a few times before but recently you have my confidence in your information

God I love this channel. Bless you Metatron!

@metatronyt

2 ай бұрын

I Appreciate thanks 🙏🏻

Your refrence of Arrian, Discourses of Epictetus, is 450 years after Alexander, written by a Roman about a Greek. The Romans admired Greek culture but thought them morally questionable.

@MannerdDesert7

2 ай бұрын

Yeah most of his sources in the video aren’t contemporary & the one that is he admits is authentically dubious. I’ve made a comment asking him about it & hopefully he responds as I respect Metatron but his conclusion is very strange considering his stance on Achilles and Patroclus.

@OGTheDemon

2 ай бұрын

@@MannerdDesert7 You are aware Achilles and Patroclus arent real people right?

@levski19

2 ай бұрын

That´s why I like ancient history but I never believe in almost anything written. Too few sources which can´t be authenticated.

@OGTheDemon

2 ай бұрын

@@levski19 If historians thought like that nothing would pass the bar lol.

@levski19

2 ай бұрын

@@OGTheDemon Indeed but still too much hypothesis and conjecture to suit me.

This was superb and very entertaining.

Excellent video Metatron! My only caveat, as a Modern and Koine Greek Speaker, is comparing using modern Greek phrases to Latin and Italian. Late Attic/ Early Koine is closer to Modern Greek than Latin to Italian. But I’m nitpicking

He led every attack, he almost died on a tower as a result, fighting alone, with an arrow in his chest

@firingallcylinders2949

2 ай бұрын

Achilles: "Imagine a king who fights his own battles" Alexander: Alright bet

@Pavlos_Charalambous

2 ай бұрын

​@@firingallcylinders2949well he did liked reading illiad so..

@Leynx-Et-Fenrir

2 ай бұрын

@@Pavlos_Charalambous Alexander is an Achilles cosplay / acting method pushed too far

@fran3ro

2 ай бұрын

... and a hard on.

@szeleddie

Ай бұрын

​@@Pavlos_CharalambousEven more so he was one the HEROES who he worshipped!!! Despite he was a GOD himself!!!

"veni vidi vici alea iacta est Pizza, Mama Mia, Grazie" gaius julius mario caesar

@TheSuperappelflap

2 ай бұрын

quod erat demonstrandum

@jancukasu

2 ай бұрын

🤌🤌🤌

@heretic124

2 ай бұрын

*Gai Jul Rio Ceasar

@Zvabh

2 ай бұрын

I cringed so hard to be honest

I think your respond to that show, I call it show, makes me learn more.

Hiephestian and Alexander literally GREW UP TOGETHER.

@Alejojojo6

2 ай бұрын

They had a love-sexual thing going on for sure.

@something4179

2 ай бұрын

Μην σπαταλάς χρόνο σε ανόητους ξένους που δεν μπορούν να κάνουν μια σωστή έρευνα πόσο μάλλον μετάφραση. Για αυτούς όπου δουν "σύντροφος" σημαίνει "Ομοφυλλόφιλος" λες και όλοι οι προγονοί μας ήταν τίποτα ανώμαλοι όπως η σημερινή διαστρευλομένη δυτική κοινωνία. "Ο Ιάσωνας και οι σύντροφοι του" για παραδειγμά ήταν μια σεξουαλική ομάδα για αυτούς...όχι ένα πλήρωμα από διάφορους άνδρες όπου με την ευκαιρία ο κάθε ένας τους είχε μια δικιά του φυσιολογική οικογένεια. Κοίτα τον Ηρακλή με την Δηιάνειρα, όπου ήταν μέλος του πληρώματος για παράδειγμα.

@plasticweapon

2 ай бұрын

and?

@N0die

2 ай бұрын

@@plasticweaponand that’s why they were often referred to as “inseparable”

@opticalraven1935

Ай бұрын

​@@plasticweaponEver hesrd of the expression "closer than a brother"? It means that two people are extremely close friends, a platonic soulmate. You can have extremely close friends and not be sexually attracted to them.

First argument in Alexander's propaganda was that the cause of the campaign was to punish the killers of his father and avenge the destruction of Athens.

@kathleenhensley5951

2 ай бұрын

He had a real emotional (and nearly, a spiritual) Tie to Achilles, also. I think he believed He was Achilles, reborn. ( If I remember correctly) He kept the Iliad under his pillow. And yes, he also wanted to pay Persia back for its two invasion.

Hi Metatron, I'm Greek myself. Erastis and Eromenos according to Plato are NOT sexual. It is a relationship between a teacher and a student. "eros" means a deep relationship of respect and love for knowledge. There is a distinct separation between "Eros" which is intellectual and love which is sexual. It's not as straightforward as it seems.

@zhshsG7

2 ай бұрын

Can you provide a link? I don't know ancient Greek, but in modern Greek the εραστής/ερωμένος distinction Metatron claims definitely makes sense.

@kostasbiker9302

2 ай бұрын

Eros does mean desire but it isn't strictly sexual desire. Hence the word Pederasty, it doesn't mean desire for kids, it means desire for teaching.

@hocestbellumchannel

2 ай бұрын

@@zhshsG7 Plato's Phaedrus describes this in detail. Mind that you should read the book and be wary of translations. Avoid reading interpretations of the book.

@leonardoferrari4852

2 ай бұрын

No, they did fuck young boys. It was very sexual, Eva Cantarella wrote heaps about this and you just to look at greek ceramics to see that it was very much a sexual relation. This does not mean they were f*gs like some people believe

@bernardoteixeira8428

2 ай бұрын

I had a class with a teacher about the book Theogony, and at the beginning we have the birth of Eros, which is love as you described, a type of love that moves things, and then, you have the birth of Eros, another God, that is about carnal love, the Romans called this God Cupid. So we have both types of Eros, the problem is knowing which Eros people are talking about, for Netflix it will always be the second.

Thankyou for another informative video. Happy to know you do so much research before each video, and you cover all sides.

Love that intro!

"I will piss of everyone on the political spectrum." Sounds like music in my ears.

@ImperialSenpai

2 ай бұрын

I mean I’m not pissed, have reservations when it comes to the Roman writings though since it happened way after his life.

@Moncrom

2 ай бұрын

@@ImperialSenpai That's like saying writing a report on hitlers life now as gen z member is irrevant to future generations because we didn't live to see it.

@ImperialSenpai

2 ай бұрын

@@Moncrom I don’t know where the Roman ones got their original sources or if they just made it up. Which is why I said I have reservations about it. Also I would not trust %99.9 of gen Z or millennials on knowing anything about WWII as a whole so that doesn’t help and a lot of things about it. Including Hitler’s life get lied about for ideological reasons leaving a lot of people ignorant about it.

@maxgehtdnixan4913

2 ай бұрын

@@Moncrom It's LESS relevant than a source directly from his time. Mostly because you're reiterating what those sources said through the lens of your generation. Much like Chinese whispers, do that often enough and you don't necessarily have an accurate picture anymore. One century isn't a big deal, but several can make sources questionable. Since they're sources based on sources based on sources...

@markuhler2664

2 ай бұрын

As a conservative whose instincts are to distrust modern reinterpretations of historical figures, I'm not pissed off. I get what our host was getting at about angering both sides, but I doubt my reaction is hardly unique among cons. And yes, moncrom, documents from several hundred of years after an event are not weighted the same as contemporary sources. Even moreso when you include different languages and cultures. Why is that difficult for you to understand?

I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS

I like the Skyrim reference. Well done, Metatron.

@metatronyt Greek and Roman political thought in context was one of my favourite modules at Birkbeck and you did a great job

And of COURSE Netflix has to FIRST tell us - rightly - that Zoroastrianism gave an equal or near-equal role to women, and queens wielded a lot of power. A few moments later, they have the Persian king pooh-poohing someone as being "a mere woman" LOL THANK YOU METATRON for another wonderful, organised, erudite video!!!

@NefariousKoel

2 ай бұрын

Queens wielded a lot of power throughout history. The infamous "modern audience" Intersectionalists often try to portray them akin to slaves in order to justify their own hateful behavior. The exaggeration can get pretty thick.

@giorgijioshvili9713

2 ай бұрын

​@@NefariousKoel often queens had no power its Just a historical fact

@IreneWY

2 ай бұрын

​@@NefariousKoelsome Queens wielded power. Others got their heads chopped off because their king was horny for a younger model. Context is everything. You generalise as much as the "modern audiences" you demonise. But your statement is no better.

@TiggerTiger-le8kc

2 ай бұрын

@@giorgijioshvili9713 queens and women wielded power quite often, but through men. Look at Katherine of Aragorn, she made military decisions on behalf of her husband when he was away. Margaret Beaufort certainly used every wit she had to get her son onto the English throne. Anne Boleyn influenced Henry so much he broke from the Catholic Church. She could have been content with being a mistress, but she wanted to be queen and wanted to reform the religion. You’d be surprised by how much influence women could have. It’s just the man usually had the last say whether he was right or wrong.

@OcarinaSapphr-

2 ай бұрын

It's important to specify the kind of power royal women wielded *on average* - which was usually 'soft power'; they served as patrons of the arts, they were involved in charity, the education of their children/ the children of others - people begged for their intercession, in legal matters- & they might apply to the king on behalf of others, as it wouldn't be 'proper' for grown men to _beg_ for mercy on their own behalf- but it was entirely fitting for women & children, & even aged parents to do so- & a king could claim to be 'moved to mercy' by such gestures. There are instances of women wielding both hard *&* soft power- but that was often almost always a Queen Regnant- as in, women ruling *in their own right* - most queens were mere consorts, & occasionally regents for under-age heirs. They were often the exception, not the rule...

Richard the third's body was found in a parking lot in the UK fairly recently. A TON of documentaries were made about it, as well as a movie. On Netflix, I believe. Personally, I think that is more impressive as far as recent findings. Especially as it was then able to assess IF he was even "a hunchback", as we have all always believed, thanks to Shakespeare. It was interesting to learn about the curvature of his spine in detail. If you are into that sort of thing, that is...lol!

I had to write a presentation about the Achaemenids, and of course there was the fall of their dynasty at the hands of alexander the great, and I was a bit interested to know how much we actually know about him and what is just hearsay that's repeated over and over again. Great analysis!