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@azopeopaz3059

2 жыл бұрын

Lol the true raison a fake tank cost more for the serie to have in screen.

@JordonVirtue

2 жыл бұрын

Goa'uld POV at 2:20 "Aaaaaahhhh we're getting torn up like a kleenex at a [groans] snot party."

@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc

2 жыл бұрын

(2:18) Humvee? Bradley? M113? Stryker? Most vehicles belonging to the US army?

@johnwillsea6600

2 жыл бұрын

What about a jeep smaller footprint quieter, and being something that was later adapted for civilian market it's masproduced making replacement parts, and even whole vehicles cheaper. Plus they might even be faster and could run off standard gas. Would they have as much armor? Not by a longshot but a small scall team like that isn't supposed to be duking it out anyway. . . .otherwise they'd send a tank 😁 anyway that's my thoughts please have a wonderful day. And remember SG will jeep again!

@Ryanowning

2 жыл бұрын

I like to think that the reason they don't want to use Abrams actually had more to do with Goa'uld weaponry then anything else. The staff weapons appear to be fully capable of piercing layers of armor and a full infantry squad using them against an Abrams may actually be able to disable/destroy it. This is especially the case if the Goa'uld commanders realize that the tank is unable to see if the optics are hit and higher ranked ones are fully capable of making such precision shots. I think an LAV in a supporting role actually makes more sense than an Abrams as most enemy vehicles we actually see are Death Gliders, but the Humvee comes in an AA variant as well, is cheaper than a LAV, and easier to make field maintenance on. It doesn't hurt that Humvees also have greater mission range, but in all cases the main gun of the LAV is actually outright overkill. The only time they had to put up a lot of firepower that couldn't get through ground armor was against Anubis and in reality none of the US weaponry could've pierced that shield. Best yet? The Air Force does actually operate AA and .50 cal Humvees so... There's really no reason to not.

Because it was the Air Force running the show and the army REFUSED to lend any ground vehicles, meaning SGC had to petition for their own armored core to be formed which took forever to be approved by congress meaning they only got them by 2012 after the show ended

@mullerpotgieter

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like humvees wouldn't be too hard to acquire and refit

@martytheanimator6426

2 жыл бұрын

​@@mullerpotgieter bureaucrats won't let them get away with such a simple request, sadly.

@flyxan1041

2 жыл бұрын

Not a bad argument but kinda contradicted by the fact that there were USMC and even Army SG teams. At least those could've used vehicles if USAF teams not.

@jonharper4478

2 жыл бұрын

Oh...the Army would have been all in on this.

@martytheanimator6426

2 жыл бұрын

@StrigonKid Welp, I got nothing then. Poor writing? Perhaps?

"WHY didn't the SCG use tanks?" Budget

@extremetactics4461

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say this as well but you beat me to it

@Daark_Karma

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention a budget that government was continuously attacking... despite knowing full well they are responsible for keeping the whole planet, let alone the US, safe.

@donalny

2 жыл бұрын

SGC or Showtime's?

@Gomjibar

2 жыл бұрын

I remember hearing something in an interview that the budget was so tight in the early seasons that Amanda Tapping had only one bottle of hair mousse for all of season 1

@Crazael

2 жыл бұрын

@@donalny Yes.

After the Midway station came online, or even with the first Battlecruiser visiting Atlantis, they should have brought back a couple of puddlejumpers for use by SG teams. Having access to a shielded, invisible, flying craft would have been an immensely useful advantage for the SGC, as shown clearly by the Atlantis teams exploits.

@ignisaurora5132

2 жыл бұрын

@Mark Jansen where would you keep it and there are limited number

@theldraspneumonoultramicro405

2 жыл бұрын

how about having the best and brightest reverse engineer one and incorporate the stealth thech elsewhere?

@ignisaurora5132

2 жыл бұрын

We're human give us power to use on someone else but it will be used on are selfs instead there multiple reason not to take atlantis tech back to earth with one being what will happen with after the system lord's are delt with

@RyuuTenno

2 жыл бұрын

honestly, they wouldn't have even needed the midway station, just, send one or two back with the ship that brought Atlantis the ZPM.

@who2999

2 жыл бұрын

Earth actually did wind up with a couple puddle jumpers in their arsenal after Atlantis was able to reconnect. It's not heavily focused on or featured in SG1 episodes but in some of the later seasons of Atlantis they make a few references to them. But it might be argued they never saw much deployment because most of the ATA gene capable people were assigned to Atlantis by this point.

An Abrams service range could be greatly extended by swapping the fuel tank and turbine for a naquadah generator and electric motor. It would also make the Abrams partially underwater capable seeing as it's already sealed and now the powerplant doesn't require air.

@MrYodi2007

2 жыл бұрын

You can put any fuel type in an Abrams and it will run! Thats why they use Turbine engines!

@skippy2987

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrYodi2007 yeah but you still have to find something. There's no scavenging diesel from old Hilux's on other planets

@kennethkaczypenski6224

2 жыл бұрын

Also replace the main gun with an energy based weapon as a tank can only carry so many rounds for its weapons and the main supply route is one narrow opening everything has to come thru! But thats beside the point as to WHY you would need a tank in the first place? The main enemy in the show were ship based (like the Vikings or Pirates)and mainly attack from orbit and only use ground troops to mop up and they bugout when things go against them. Yeah makes more sense to use an APC like the Stryker!

@MrYodi2007

2 жыл бұрын

@@skippy2987 It can run on Kerosene, petrol, methane, alcohol, cooking oil, jet fuel, or any liquids with Hydrocarbons. Former 19D Cavs Scout US Army and

@skippy2987

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrYodi2007 that's all well and good, but the only liquid I saw in any decent quantity off earth was whatever that snake water was. This isn't about its multi fuel capability it's about not having to bring fuel with you. Here on earth hydrocarbons are everywhere. Not so in the stargate universe.

my jaded brain immediately thought, "well they dont use tanks cause the company paying for the tv shows wouldnt want to spend a crap ton of money on having tanks and the great deal of money needed to keep them running throughout the show and have to design much larger sets for the gates room to have them"

@kokofan50

2 жыл бұрын

The studio also had a lot of money problems.

@michaelfodor6280

2 жыл бұрын

Also it was filmed in Vancouver, Canada which really has a lack of cool military stuff. Even most of our Army including all the tanks (Leopard 2's) are stationed back east. Though a couple of wheeled LAV's, MRAP's or even a up armored Humvee would have been useful for the SG teams.

@TrveIrrlicht

2 жыл бұрын

> 2021 > Still believing it was shot in a "studio" and not on place in the SGC which the government tries to keep secret by placing it directly in front of our eyes as a "TV show". Duh.

@NODnuke45

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrveIrrlicht The best part about this joke is that they actually had a TV show in an episode of Stargate that was basically the Stargate universes version of the Stargate TV show. So if stargates turned out to be real this would probably be the most meta cover up the world has ever seen without knowing we were seeing it.

@MonkeyJedi99

2 жыл бұрын

@@NODnuke45 Wormhole Extreme! "In fact it does say Colonel on my uniform."

That thumbnail image brings much joy to this Stargate fan's soul.

@PaiSAMSEN

2 жыл бұрын

It certainly is badass.

@HeffryCuddles

2 жыл бұрын

I love the idea of gafa gurading a gate an then those roll through Gafa- "Wait what the Humans have those ok I'm done. You win my god is not obviously not that great if you have those and all we get are these stupid staffs. Abrahams- ok are jobs done here lets move on the the next planet and scare the faith out of some more Gafa.

@jamesyap8364

2 жыл бұрын

In b4 a bunch of Death Gliders just strafe the tanks.

The German Wiesel armored carrier would been perfect to fill out this role and small enough to fit through the star gate.

@naverthis7552

2 жыл бұрын

I was about to comment the same thing! Small, versatile and able to pack quite a punch. If you would utilize something to store them vertically they would probably even fit in a ring transport. Imagine boarding action with those

@talltroll7092

2 жыл бұрын

Stargates are pretty big. An Abrams, or any Russian/Soviet MBT would have fitted very easily (the Russian equipment would have been a better pick though, so long as it had a diesel engine. You could refuel a diesel with locally made vegetable oil if you had too, or for that matter, any older British MBT with a Leyland L60 engine, which was specifically designed as multifuel)

@NordicTG

2 жыл бұрын

Also Means that you Would have to Explain Why you Control the Stargate, Why They Were not Told as Nato Member, Why Other Nations has not been told etc.. list can go on.. ^^ Which Why they have few episodes of that issues as its own within Stargate Show. Yes the Wiesel would fit, but its not an Arnament that the US Airforce are Using or did use, stuff that US have plenty of, can use or would use, so on.. but as others have said... if u become more Agressive towards the Goauld, you don t think they Would Show up in Force, unit for the one Goal to Wipe out & Take Control & Make Earth ppl & Nations as their Slaves? You have to recall that US Airforce didn t have Space Ships until the last few Seasons of the Show... & not many of them, wasn t until Story of the "Atlantis" Show were got more stuff about it as a whole. If Used other Armour than US, I don t think US Airforce Would Command them, it would be German Nato Troops or other Branches of US Armed Forces Doing it, besides Offensive Warfare & Offensive Exploration is the Key thing Stargate Command was not going to do.

@dreadedpixel9022

2 жыл бұрын

Now imagine an armored support infantry veichle with one of SGCs automatic railguns

@davidaustin7296

2 жыл бұрын

An old British scorpion armored recon / light tank would be good small fast with a 76 mm gun

Even if they didn't want to bring heavy equipment on "routine" Stargate missions, it would be dumb not to have a rapid-reaction force ready to deploy as soon as there is trouble behind the gate. That force needs to be at least platoon-sized and come with light armored vehicles with heavy weapons. Like the LAVs you suggested or just plain old up-armored Humvees. But an airborne tank would be good for fire support and deterrence, and would be very fitting for the Air Force.

@martinconnor7077

2 жыл бұрын

ye old apc could work, you can pick them up from storage yards, they're cheep as well as a mature tech. not to mention that if you have to leave one behind its no great loss with the added benefit of being able to whack on some heavy weapons

@ColonelBragg

2 жыл бұрын

I guess you could argue that the Odyssey and other ships of that class do sort of fulfill that role

@zeux5583

2 жыл бұрын

a bit late, but just use a puddle jumper: -fast -heavily armored (shields) -stealthy -good transport capacity -good weaponry (drones) only drawback is the ancient genes requirement, but i doubt that that would be a problem for long.

@betaich

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeux5583 But if you loose one of them its bad, because earth doesn't know how to make them and an enemy gets all the cool tech. The gene requirement was solved, if I remember correctly on Stargate Atlantis.

@zeux5583

2 жыл бұрын

@@betaich i guess theres a jumper construction facility somewhere on atlantis. Its a big city after all, who knows what could be out there.

They didn't need tanks. They had a Teal'c.

@darkleome5409

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@TheEventHorizon909

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@gorvarhadgarson5227

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@RockyX123

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@RevantheBlack

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed Westrim of KZread

My and my Brother looked up if an Abrams could fit in a Stargate about a year ago and we were surprised to find out it could

@808INFantry11X

2 жыл бұрын

By all indications it could however could you fit them into Cheyenne mountain complex probably not

@gawkthimm6030

2 жыл бұрын

you use tanks against other armor, you use Infantry fighting vehicles against infantry....

@808INFantry11X

2 жыл бұрын

@@gawkthimm6030 I mean you can just without adequate support armor can be easily destroyed or disabled. I mean we actually had taskforce that consisted of Delta Force working with tank platoon however due to the missions and lack of logistical support most of the tanks were deadline due to just wear and tear.

@808INFantry11X

2 жыл бұрын

@@gawkthimm6030 tanks normally are part of a larger push they need to have adequate support because they need constant maintenance, fuel and Ammo and those tend to take long logistics lines to b able keep them operational. You need only look at some of the logistical challenges faced for our M1 Abrams in the operation Iraqi Freedom. We had tanks that needed to backtrack 20 miles in some cases because we were advancing faster then our logistical lines could keep up.

@zollen123

2 жыл бұрын

The military could have disassembled any large equipments, weapons or vehicles for transportation, then re-assembled from the other side.

I was more surprised to see that they so rarely brought any real anti-air capable weapons. Especially with the presence of gliders increasing as the show went on.

@albertko1

2 жыл бұрын

Stingers were designed to be so easy to use that "freedom fighters" (child soldiers) could fire them. Pretty sure a Javelin would make short work of a glider. It they really wanted covert, air force, and mobile... Armed Drones. Why waste manpower when you could just let a robot do it.

@MrChronified

2 жыл бұрын

@@albertko1 This is why I kinda feel the AirForce would have been elbowed out of full control of the Stargate by the other joint cheifs...they have plenty of bullets beans and bandages....

@scarsdale7186

2 жыл бұрын

L.A.W. guided launcher was effectively used during the episode when Abidos was attacked by Anubis however you can't carry enough shells to make it work long-term

@lkj53

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, anti-air launchers are pretty heavy and the SG teams are already lugging around considerable gear. Remember the show follows an explorer/ first contact team, not a combat team. SG-1 swapped it's gear often to fit mission profiles, if there's no evidence of hostile life, why lug around a 33lb missile launcher?

@ethansieg603

2 жыл бұрын

@@lkj53 But if there is evidence of hostile life eg. Any time the episode opens with "we're going into Goa'uld territory" why WOULDN'T you lug around a 33lb missile launcher

I recently re-watched all the episodes of SG-1 and Atlantis, I'm honestly surprised that when the team went on a mission to Gua'uld stronghold they usually didn't carry more Stinger missiles. Aside from that first episode, it was very rare for an SG-1 member to take down a glider with a stinger.

@toomanyaccounts

2 жыл бұрын

namely because they weren't in positions to fire on gliders. usually they were trying to get away and the glider was following them.

Armoured vehicles are like lawyers: They're expensive, annoying, and useless most of the time, but when you need one you tend to _really really really_ need one. Yes, _most_ of the time the missions the SGC is running don't need armoured vehicles. But there were a handful of occasions when a nice thick slab of armour would've come in _really_ handy. And yes, the logistics of running an M1 Abrams down in the Cheyenne Mountain complex would be quite severe, but that's really not much of an objection. Simply _move the Stargate._ Realistically, they should've moved the Stargate to a purpose-built facility out in the middle of nowhere. Situate the Gate in the middle of a nice, spacious vehicle bay, with whatever facilities you need around it.

@themc.kennyshow6585

2 жыл бұрын

Like Area 51. Huge runway to fly in tanks, heavy equipment etc

@abpire

2 жыл бұрын

The position of the Stargate also has a defensive purpose. Since It can easily be buried or contained in the complex

@Werrf1

2 жыл бұрын

@@abpire That would be easy to incorporate into a purpose-built facility as well.

@spectre0586

2 жыл бұрын

Counter: Keeping the Stargate in Cheyenne severely limits the potential beachhead of any invading force. Moving it to a more open area that would allow for the staging of full military units only makes sense if they have a full military operation to run. The show makes it clear that most of the time the SG teams don't actually get into much combat. Hell, they only actually have like 3 dedicated military teams, the rest are primarily science teams. If they REALLY need some armor, get Atlantis to loan them a few Puddlejumps and they've got aerial fire support instead. Or pack a few into a BC 404 and jump your way over for a more conventional ground assault.

@UnknownSquid

2 жыл бұрын

Really, the gate should have been down the end of a long purpose built fortified vehicle accessible tunnel, under some mountain. Something that could be closed off and fumigated or collapsed at a moments notice if needed. None of that "Oh no! The bad guys are coming through the gate!? Quick, summon the four guys with Vietnam era M16s." I get that it's part of the plot that SGCs superiors were hilariously dismissive of the project, but had the US government learned that China, Russia or the Middle East had just discovered and activated their own gate, you'd see 300 Abrams tanks on permanent ready status lined up outside the gate. A gate that links across the galaxy to unknown hostile interstellar empires, should just maybe warrant a better thought out installation.

Because O’Neill’s sass couldn’t be heard from a tank. That was half the fun!

@Skillerz87

2 жыл бұрын

Just give him a megaphone, best of both worlds

@MerlynCooper

2 жыл бұрын

"Drive me closer so I can hit them with my sword! I mean... P90"

@mojoman64

2 жыл бұрын

"Hey Carter, drive us closer so they can see me flipping them off." "Uh, Sir, that would expose you to enemy fire." "Fine, then get Hammond to put some speakers on this thing so I can play Disco music when we engage." "Disco music, Sir?" said Carter, giving him an odd look. "I can't picture you being a Disco fan." "Hey, I can like different 'genres'," O'Neil said with mild defensiveness. "A man can have a many different things he likes." "Sir, don't take this the wrong way, but you don't strike me as a guy with varied tastes." "Well I do." Jack shrugged his shoulders uncomfortably and gave her a look. "What /did/ you picture?" Sam looked up and waggled her head as she thought. "Eh, probably country and a bit of classic rock." "I can't stop picturing him singing 'Staying Alive' in the shower now," said Daniel, grinning. "Or doing disco moves in the kitchen. Hey, do you think he's got some bellbottoms he wears around the house? Or likes polka? It's like German Disco, basically." "What is this 'Disco' music?" asked T'ealc, frowning slightly at them from the gunner's station. "And Polka? Is it some sort of motivational battle music for warriors?" "Uh, no," said Daniel, failing to suppress a smile. "It is not at all what warriors listen to." "Aaaaaand now I'm picturing him listening to it," said Jack. "And dancing. With an afro. Jesus. A Jaffa with an afro in full armor dancing to 'shake your groove thing'. Or doing the chicken dance. With complete seriousness." Sam and Daniel snorted and chuckled. "A legion of Jaffa doing the chicken dance," said Jack, shaking his head as they drove up a curving road , firing the auto-cannon at a passing Deathglider. "I won't be able to get that out of my head now." [Two weeks later, the team is listening to the music the guys from RVB do in the warthog and grinning madly at the ridiculousness. T'ealc is completely baffled. No one brings up the chicken dance again. He asked to see it and Jack arranged for the soldiers to do it with him in the mess hall, then quickly got offended by the stupidity of it. Daniel, thinking quickly, put on 'groove thing' to distract him. T'ealc's brow arched and tilted his head as he listened. To everyone's surprise, he got up and demonstrated the inherent ability for humans to know how to 'boogie'. He actually got really into it, and so did other Jaffa he played it to. Sam and Daniel were laughing their asses off while Jack just shook his head in disbelief at the armored warriors 'shaking their groove thing'.]

@TH3UND3ADHORD3

2 жыл бұрын

oh O'Neill would have come up with some really clever one liners about his tank being bigger or something else clever and he would have shouted like in almost all the scenes where he gets cornered and antagonized the bad guys. Like in the season finally of season 6. When he antagonizes what's his face and he says ah failing upwards I see. I also think SG teams having tanks would have ruined the show the point of an SG team is to be covert and blend, but also interact with the indigenous peoples. Sorry but a tank blasting through a gate is probably going to scare a lot of people under Goa'uld rule. In big fights where a gate was heavily guarded might have made more sense, but the Jaffa heavy cannons would probably made short work of them. On a base like the Alfa site it might make a little more sense especially if using anti-air cannons and fast scout tanks. Possibly some M119 Howitzers or M109 self propelled howitzers for artillery.

@RyuuTenno

2 жыл бұрын

knowing O'Neill, he would've brought along a megaphone so everyone could hear his sass. XD

Uparmored HUMVEE with an M2 50 BMG would work for small unit tactics, can swap out with MK-19 grenade launcher, or the M-134 for more directed support fire.

@Saviliana

2 жыл бұрын

Just pull some M113 out form the mothball armory and you should be better, they have even more varients and on tread.

@shadoeboi212

2 жыл бұрын

main in universe issue would be the location of the stargate as the gate was placed before NORAD was finished eg to hide it form the Russians. meaning that without some obvious construction at the surface or completely assembling the Humvee onsite underground from parts.

@stephenJpollei

2 жыл бұрын

@@Saviliana M113 is still in service. I saw them at a reserve center in conus. Overseas it was Buffalos, MRAP, Strikers, etc. The tanks were nearby but didn't have much day-to-day usage. I heard rumors that some SF where using souped-up Gator Turf Utility Vehicles, but never saw it for myself. The M2 is a powerful weapon. I've never fired MK-19 and don't know M-134

@Saviliana

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenJpollei Yes, but the M113 were used to have a lot of variants(when in active front line service), not just APC, but rocket launcher, artillery platform, command and obverse vehicle, munition transport, ambulance, bridge layer, recover and engineering vehicle, anti-air, towing vehicle ,etc, they are lightly armored, is capable to withstand chemical warfare, cheap, light and reliable, have technology nearly stone age, can repair almost everything including drive train inside the hull, even more spacious then a humvee and smaller/lower silhouette, can be retrofitted with electric motors to ensure quiet operation, and can float if fitted with additional amphibious equipment. Humvee can't do that, at least not all of them.

@stephenJpollei

2 жыл бұрын

@@Saviliana Definitely only saw standard model M113 and the M577 . The also seemed to be at least a decade or more old.

If you look closely at the position of the offworld gate in relation to it's platform at 0:24 and compare it to the position of the tank at 1:03 you'll see that the SGC platform would need to be higher to position the tank so it would fit through the gate. On the offworld side the tank would come out of the gate a couple of feet too high and it would be near impossible to get the tank back into the gate. If you by chance got the tank back into the offworld gate you would come out inside the platform the SGC.

@CrystallineFoxCF

Жыл бұрын

I mean, building a pretty simple ramp on the other side that can support a full tank wouldn't take all that long, but a tank is just too impractical, it's too large of a target and most smaller vehicles equipped with a missile of some kind could do just about the same job

@littleohah

7 ай бұрын

Have seen the jaffa pilots they cant aim for shit yeah there scary but compared to being shot at by a hellfire those staff weapons on the gliders seem a bit crude even the alkesh for a mid range bomber there goodnfornburning grass and trees compaired to our missle systems and even the 30mm a10 have

I’d say it’s actually pretty smart to make it impossible for armor to get through the Cheyenne complex. It’s a whole lot easier to deal with a foothold scenario if they’re only able to get infantry sized units through.

@pwrserge83

2 жыл бұрын

It's much harder to get a foothold scenario when the snakeheads gate into a FOB surrounded by ridonkulous amounts of firepower pre-sighted directly on the gate.

@timthndr2996

2 жыл бұрын

@@pwrserge83 On top of that the gate is the perfect choke point. The tanks could fire one after another so reload times don't overlap.

@hithere5553

2 жыл бұрын

@@pwrserge83 well you could ship parts to Alpha site and construct tanks there, then coordinate whatever offensive you need from there.

@josephmontanaro2350

2 жыл бұрын

they just need a system where they can flood the gait room with water/napalm/VX(or insert poisonous gas of choice), that or just have a few .50s always pointed at it in modified CROWS configuration, alternately put it in the middle of the inhospitable desert with artillery pre sighted on target far enough away where they can not damage the gait but pre ranged to destroy any force that passes through once it is in a killbox outside of danger close range

@Spectification

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephmontanaro2350 Pretty much all "Foothold" scenarios either involved a tech that disabled everybody and everything in the base, a swarm of replicators that dont care for VX or water or fire, but it mostly involved a covert infiltration and a silent takeover of the base. Come to think of it, apart from the replicators, SGC never really had to defend the Gate room, since Iris was in place. And if they could get through Iris, the base would be killed anyways. I would love to see the tanks or some auto systems being able to stop a naquadah tipped warhead detonating just after it exits the gate. Id rather have that contained in a mountain that in a FOB on a plain somewhere. Easier to containt after the FOB on the surface gets wiped too, since you need to climb from a collapsed mountain.

STRYKER. Send in a damn Stryker Or hey just a fleet of Jeeps. Realistically no you don't assign armored vehicles to SG teams. At least not normal SG teams. However having a mechanized unit would be very helpful when assaulting a base or rescuing personnel. (Like from Hathor) Also having armored and mechanized units at off world bases(ex: Alpha sites) would make a lot of sense as the base would provide the equipment the vehicles needs to keep on going. *Note I did post this before I saw the video. Yes the LAV is also a good choice in addition to/instead of a striker. Also Jeeps are cooler than Humvees and Humvees are being replaced. *Also I'm really happy to see I sparked off such conversation lol

@TheTeddyIsALiar

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I would station an armored unit at each alpha site, they could just be deployed through a gate located in a hangar designed to accommodate AFVs.

@Del_S

2 жыл бұрын

Strikers are basically just cousins of the LAV-25 more optimised for a troop transport primary role, and you wouldn't really need a whole brigade combat team for SGC support. Modify a few to mount plasma cannons or railguns and you've got some hefty fire support/anti-air, use alien tech to improve engines/armour. The LAVs are a more recon vehicle though, and used by both Army and Marines, who'd likely be sharing the burden of forming the rescue heavy teams. SG teams could maybe have made more use of a light support vehicle outside of a combat role, even just an HMMWV carrying extra gear. I think you could reliably carry a MALP or at least the MALP's sensors on a HMMWV base, and maybe use it as a mobile control centre for various small UAVs and UGVs to expand recon on a planet. They could move in, use the drones to have a look around the immediate area, then go to any points of interest for a closer look.

@arkad6329

2 жыл бұрын

*Stryker not striker

@friedrichmirle7689

2 жыл бұрын

it's not just armour. They lack all kinds of serious weaponry. Just P90 personal defence weapons, usually no granades, not to mention no rifle granades, any kind of SAW or real support weaponry. No opics, no sniping, no useful way to lob explosives like mortars or ATGM. Probably wasn't in the budget.

@hafor2846

2 жыл бұрын

I still would put at least two APCs with every mission. But I would do the entire SG thing differently. Everytime you open a gate, you send a regiment of soldiers through to secure a perimeter. Then roll a bunch of APCs through to provide support. Then a bunch of trucks with equipment. A command center with actually useful comms. A mobile drone launch site. A whole fuckton of razor wire, mines and field fortifications. Then, bunker up and do some recons with the drones. A single one can cover areas in hours that 20 SG teams can't in days. Once you know what's up, you can sortie out of your FOB and sort out whatever mess the Gouald have done this time. Once it's over, you leave a few guys to steward the equipment and provide a tripwire if the Goauld move on you. Then you move on. If there's heavy resistance, you can either hold out until new reinforcements come in (who also have an easier time because the gate belongs to them, not the enemy like in almost all episodes where SG1 gets cut off) or you do an orderly retreat. No mad dashes for the gate anymore. Not that I dislike Stargate. It's good as a TV show. But if it were a real scenario, I would expect humans to stop those pitiful Goauld flat with a whole load of modern military equipment, not just some dudes without rifles.

The only time a tank make sense is when its in front of a stargate providing cover and fire support when SG units are fleeing into the stargate. Besides that any tank with out air support really makes the tank more of a risk than anything else. Overall nice video :)

@4Leka

2 жыл бұрын

Tanks aren't useless without air support IRL, why would that be the case in Stargate? If anything tanks would be far more effective as the enemy lacks heavy armor, anti-tank weapons, or any kind of stand-off air-to-ground weapons.

@cgi2002

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly they could have brought airsupport in easily. Fold up the blades on a gunship, roll it through the gate (its large enough), fold the blades out on the other side, and you now have a ground attack helicopter at your disposal on the planet. Sure it's a bit more complex than that, as you'd need to control the gate, and have about an hour to set it up properly, but it's not a major stretch. Or just do as they actually did a few times, and launch a UAV through the gate, you now have air support, or if equipped properly air superiority. Honestly the minimum you could have done is have an uparmoured HUMVEE with a GMG towing a mobile SAM system. Drive through, setup the SAM near the gate, and you also get a grenade machine gun to basically smash anything on the ground, those automatic 40mm grenade launchers devistate unarmoured targets. If you needed more firepower, have it tow a 120mm howitzer. There are dozens of reasonable options. Hell for just basic mobility, send them through the gate with dirt bikes or quads, or if you want something a little more stable an FAV (its basically a dune buggy with guns, lots of guns). There is a hidden issue with heavier vehicles thats actually ignored here. Getting them through the gate on our end would require massive structural work to get them at the right height to pass through, thats easy. On the other side though, alot of the gates are stood in fairly weak stone platforms. 2-3 tons isn't going to do much, but 20, thats going to crack those rocks like pebbles, 60 is going to grind them to dust. The gates liable to end up falling over. Also there is no gurantee the gates at the right height for the vehicle to fit through, and when under fire aligning it perfectly to the gate is going to be a bugger. Tanks and armoured vehicles tend to have truely terrible visibility around themselves which is why they don't operate in confined spaces without infantry guiding them. Even driving a tank through a door with a good meter of clearance on either side is something thats not easy and done very slowly often with someone guiding it. Going through the gate with a few cm of clearance, its easy to get it wedged. And as we were shown in SGA, getting wedged in the gate can happen, and its a bad thing as should the controls be through the gate when it gets wedged, that person is dead now (this is inconsitent though, as we've also see the gate cut the ends off a staff weapon before and the person carrying it still travelled through safely).

@4Leka

2 жыл бұрын

@@cgi2002 One thing that turned me away from Stargate is how stupid the military is. And not in a humorous, satirical kind of way, but in a bad writing kind of way. All too often you had the fate of humanity or an entire planet on the line, and they send in... 4 people with submachine guns. No back-up, no heavy weapons. I would get it if it was slap-stick comedy about the incompetence of miliatary planners, but it wasn't. It was just dumb.

@DavidSmith-fs5qj

2 жыл бұрын

I think that part of the problem is that the show was all about SG-1(the clue is in the title), so for the most part, the focus was always going to be on Jack, Sam, Daniel andf Teal'c, there were certainly episodes in which at a breifing, Jack would ask for back up, but, for the most part, it was all about SG-1. Atlantis, was a slightly different format, there was far more development on team members, and when the Wraith led siege to Atlantis, a large force of marines arrive, with heavy weapons, great few episodes.

@HarleyHerbert

Жыл бұрын

I'd like to think a tank could be pretty useful in making the initial beachhead onto an enemy held planet. As soon as the gate opens the tank could fire a few rounds through the gate to soften up whoever is unlucky enough to be on the other side, before bursting through to provide a big target for the enemy to focus on so the main team can move in behind unharmed. Could even alter the tank to have it specialised for this role with extra armour and different weapons for different planet or enemy types. Both battering ram and shield in one for those extra defended places. Then when the site is secure or the team is able to go off on their mission the tank can just go back through the gate back to base. Could probably do similar stuff with other vehicle types too like IFVs or humvees.

In the episode Forever in a Day, the SGC fitted an M2 Browning to a MALP. That’s probably the closest thing to an armoured vehicle in canon

Watsonian: Let's keep a low profile Doylist: We don't have the budget to depict any number of multi-ton 'f*ck-you!' tanks

Finally, coverage and content surrounding this show is criminally lacking. It’s in my opinion, one of the best sci fi shows ever made.

@RabbitShirak

2 жыл бұрын

I so wished they had made a game out of it.

@RabbitShirak

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelandreipalon359 B5 is definitely on top.

@thesupertendent8973

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelandreipalon359 no doubt, you speak lies

@WhatIsSanity

2 жыл бұрын

@@RabbitShirak They did in the early 2000s. Pretty sure it came out on PlayStation. See if you can download a bootleg copy for PC.

@albytex6549

2 жыл бұрын

I totaly agree with you , Stargate is a must to watch if peoples love syfy.

Just well equipped Humvees would have been a boost to mobility, firepower, and logistics.

now now, lets remember, this is stargate. These are humans. picture an LAV III modified with a Naquadria generator, 40mm Railgun, and air trak radar. those things would just chew up alkesh and gliders trying to do ground attack.

@toddkes5890

2 жыл бұрын

Or just taking a half dozen staff weapons and arranging them gatling style. Not as fast firing as a gatling, but having enough of them in a rotating firing pattern would serve as a nice machine gun equivalent

@jenniferstewarts4851

2 жыл бұрын

@@toddkes5890 problem is/was, "Staff weapons are weapons of terror." They were powerful, but only really good at close range, they suffered bad accuracy. stripping them down to make a gatling gun, may simply not have been possible given where the triggers were, the thickness of the emitter and such. but those 40mm's we see them burst firing easily. just use the same mount as on atlantis, but turret it.

@toddkes5890

2 жыл бұрын

@@jenniferstewarts4851 The Jaffa lack of accuracy was from holding it in their hands next to their hip instead of at the shoulder and using iron sights. We saw what the Free Jaffa's most accurate shooter had to do in "S05E18 The Warrior" to get better accuracy. If the staff weapon wasn't that accurate, even his trick of putting it next to his eye wouldn't have worked that well. As for refitting some staff weapons into a Gatling, it would be a larger project that would be done back at SGC, not in the field

@jenniferstewarts4851

2 жыл бұрын

@@toddkes5890 oh i realize it would be an area-51 project. but given the number of staff weapons they captured, the fact that they didn't modify them shows either problems with doing such, or simply a lack of interest in doing so. maybe down the road they would, but currently, railguns seem to be their rout... as projectile weapons have a greater "verity" of options.

A motorbike makes most sense, electric preferably for noise (alien tech could make up the 30 year tech gap from the series to now). Small robust all terrain, covers large distances and if required can be disposed of or hidden quickly. WWII motorbikes had a heavy logistical and recon role until the need for "armour" became compulsory to modern warfare. That or small ATVs.

@urmumisaho69

2 жыл бұрын

We used motor bikes, quads and 6 wheeled atvs in Afghanistan for long range patrols. Still used just not as common thanks to IED.

@A_Degenerate_with_Glasses

2 жыл бұрын

Vespa 150 TAP or the Bazooka Vespa 🤣

@warhorse03826

2 жыл бұрын

"I have installed a mimbari power source instead. clean and efficient." "get out of here,,,"

@Allangulon

2 жыл бұрын

They could all pile on to a M.A.L.P.!

@warhorse03826

2 жыл бұрын

@@Allangulon throw a 106 recoilless rifle on a MALP and you'd have a heck of a lightweight armor killer...

You know what would make a LOT of sense for SG teams, though? Motorcycles. Think about it - we often see SG teams trek through the wilderness, walk along roads, and make harrowing escapes sprinting to the stargate. Some sort of armored motorcycle, maybe even with one of those neat handheld Goa'uld DhDs on the dash, would make some of their missions quite a bit easier. Not only would they allow for quick escape from Jaffa squads bearing down on their location, they would also make transporting an injured team member easier - no more stumbling through the gate with one hanging onto your shoulder, now you just sit them behind or infront of you and get to the gate very quickly. Jaffa aren't trained to fight things moving that fast, either - they can shoot fleeing civilians in the back, and take potshots at surrounded targets, but a fast-moving motorcycle blasting past them is much less likely to be hit. They would even make moving cargo a lot easier - with saddlebags or containers, you could move a lot more stuff than by hand, and still stay mobile enough to escape unscathed. Hell, you could even repurpose the engine into a makeshift power source or heater. Sam and Jack would definitely have had an easier time in Antarctica if they had 2 functioning engines to heat their surroundings. And if one breaks down, standard practice should be to either turn it into a trap for investigating jaffa, or to blow it up outright to avoid giving your enemies any intel on them.

@carldavies4776

2 жыл бұрын

I'll raise your bet with quads

@old-worldghost3451

2 жыл бұрын

Or a moped with an antitank gun, like what the French Paratroopers used to.

@EmonWBKstudios

2 жыл бұрын

Just give sg a gungoose with an armored 50 on the back.

@jameswhite153

2 жыл бұрын

@@carldavies4776 same

@EGRJ

2 жыл бұрын

I like the general idea, but "armored motorcycle" seems like a contradiction in terms. At a certain amount of armor, you just have an armored car with better gas mileage and worse ventilation.

Now until I saw this video, I never even considered the need for an SG team to have armoured vehicles. Now that I have considered it, I think the main reason we don't see it is really most of the time SG didn't need a tank what it needed was a mule. Consider instead something more in line with a Daimler Ferret (as seen in Short Circuit) a small amoured scout vehicle that they could keep parked in the Stargate room at ready status at all times. Need some fire support? Send in the Ferret with a 2 person crew a driver and gunner with a heavy machine gun mount with AP rounds. Need to deliver cases of ammo to Allied Jaffa for the guns your supplying them? hook up a trailer to the back and drive a tonne of ammo through the gate. Just want to have some back up on hand? Throw a tent over it and have the crew sit guard duty on the gate while SG-X does their thing. I mean the damn thing is small enough that they could probably drive it down the corridors and into the Gate room.

@Princess_Celestia_

2 жыл бұрын

" most of the time SG didn't need a tank what it needed was a mule. " That's what the F.R.E.D.'s (Field Remote Expeditionary Device) where for, they where 6 to 8 wheeled remote controlled vehicles that SG teams would load up with tools, supplies, munitions, equipment, really any thing they might need while in the field. They could even use them for cover if needed.

@toddkes5890

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the guns delivered to the Free Jaffa were designed to make the Free Jaffa dependent on Earth for ammo resupply (do what we want or no more ammo). To me a better other option would have been telling the Jaffa how to cut down a staff weapon so it had a shoulder stock and basic iron sights (and a bayonet)

@Princess_Celestia_

2 жыл бұрын

@@toddkes5890 Staff weapons have only two advantages over a P-90, one is that they can be used to blast holes in walls, the other is that they don't have to be reloaded. The trade off is they are unwieldy to carry, they have a range of 60 to 70 yards before accuracy issued come into play, they have a slow rate of fire. Essentially the staff weapon is just a spacy version of the Brown Bess musket. In all honesty, the Jaffa would be better off going into battle with Brown Bess muskets as at lest they can manage to hit targets up to 100 yards out.

@toddkes5890

2 жыл бұрын

@@Princess_Celestia_ Is the staff's lack of accuracy due to poor beam management, or that it is often held at the waist and has no sights?

@Princess_Celestia_

2 жыл бұрын

@@toddkes5890 Now that I've been thinking about it, I'd say both play a role in the staff weapons poor accuracy. The beams are quite strong, so shooting one is going to cause a bit of kick. The beams also dissipate over distance traveled, and the weapon's over all design makes it difficult to fire it like a rifle which will only make the kick harder to control.

You can move anything through a Stargate if it's disassembled into modular components designed to be reassembled on destination. Obviously it wouldn't be something off the standard assembly line, but a special vehicle made of modules that can be easily connected and assembled into anything, from a humvee to a chinook helicopter.

I mean, we kind of know the real reason, right? If the SGC members drove around in armoured ground vehicles, the viewers would no longer accept that the Gua'old don't have any, the disparity would be much too immersion-breaking. Therefore the aliens would need ground vehicles too, and that would send the production costs into the sky.

@brett9675

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but it would of still cool, or at least deploy more of their little drones with heavy guns on them (like many of the comments here) Still the option of Jeeps or HUMVEEs with weapons systems would be better to counter the enemy air support, I mean even when SYFY did their WW2 monster movies, they did have 1 or 2 T-34-85 tanks hanging around, and when SYFY took over production of the series, they could afford it, but in any case we just never got to any ground vehicle combat until the "reconning" animated series on Fox.

@robertagu5533

2 жыл бұрын

Except that we logically HAVE to assume they had some version or had no need of them. They was UNCHALLENGED in Space combat or air to air for most of the series the Gould, so why not dominate the ground then. Your enemy has made a serious blunder your species would laughably neverr make .. that can an does lose wars of any scale. An you can win a war if you don't capitalize on such things.

@AKUJIVALDO

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertagu5533 except Hataks would fooking wipe anything off in seconds. 10:10 Yeehah, our Armour Division rolls onwards. 10:11 nothing is combat effective anymore. Hatak's main weapon is adjustable yield Plasma Cannons. Max yield is 200 Megatons.

@robertagu5533

2 жыл бұрын

@@AKUJIVALDO if I remember thats them medium sized dropship/transport/bombers right? In early seasons best we can do is bring in enough Stinger, gattling guns an the like that'll fit through the gate and hopefully its enough a smart tactical Gould CO will be apprehensive about just how much fire we can send up an how strong. If I'm right an remembered right they're big but not agile or particularly fast like the gliders an no or limited shields. Would imagined if series went on long enough we'd eventually seen an episode where we'd totally deployed an kicked ass in some human/Gould hybrid equivalent of helo gunship of our own an really gave the system lords headaches. Depending on situation they already knew relatively few of ours could match and suppress an even turn the tables on dozens or more of theirs.. since its why they attacked an hated SG1 so much.. fearing we was or becoming too much a threat. Was the theme of a number of their story arcs.. before the show pulled the "2 enemies last long enough they ran outta things to hate each other an kill each other about an jist got sick of that kinda thing an here comes an enemy forcing them to unite now or said foe will crush them both separately" trope thing

@Crusader2132

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertagu5533 you're thinking of the L'Kesh Bomber.

I liked it when they just used drones to paint targets and fired ground attack missiles through the stargate. If they had done this more often they could have taken out alot of would be foes easily

@SusCalvin

2 жыл бұрын

There's a bunch of episodes where a platoon-scale force goes through the gate and takes it from whoever is on the other side. It's not very quiet, SGC immediately announces its presence on the planet instead of letting a specialist team sneak in.

@jameslyddall

2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see what drones would be used today considering how quickly they’ve advanced since start stargate sg1 finished

@warhorse03826

2 жыл бұрын

they could miniaturize a laser painter, put it on a P90, then have someone dial out with a fire request and close the gate. SGC dials in, fires missile with some generic instructions like "exit the gate, make a 45 degree turn left from the gate, go 500 yards and search for the illuminated target" they could also tell the missile to go straight up and home in on the SG teams beacon, then look for the illuminated target.

@coloneljosef5331

2 жыл бұрын

@@warhorse03826 That existed somewhat. There was a missile system in the gate room in the later seasons

@warhorse03826

2 жыл бұрын

@@coloneljosef5331 I only saw them use it once, and it required launching a drone and keeping the gate open the whole time.

Personally, I would be a bit worried about placing a tank in an area, where the enemy can immediatelly field a VERY agile set of fighters (meaning, the AA vehicle you sent in front of your M-1 is not going to handle the local situation well enough for it to be safe for your tank to make it through). Another consideration is that the enemy can field orbit to ground weaponry; that might not be effective against ground teams that are very hard to track over large distances, but when it comes to tanks, there are no such issues. That being said, the moment air and orbit theatres are contested, then the M-1s sent through the gate would make a lot of sense. Kree or no kree, the jaffas running against 60-70 tons of "I don't care what is ahead of me" are going to either have to move aside, get mowed down, or end up as crashed cans. Given the System Lord prefference of fielding infantry for ground force, tanks would be a logical choice to counter that. Some of the above mentioned issues could be remedied with an SG-variant of the tank, that would see a small shield generator applied to the tank; that would still probably leave it a viable target for orbit to ground fire, given that the enemy ships are designed to fight shielded targets.

@ladymercy5275

2 жыл бұрын

At first, they didn't want to send people all. The mission wasn't to win a battle; it was to collect information. The argument put forth against sending 4-person teams through was the ramifications of leaving a trail for enemies to discover, eventually leading back to Earth. And so the 4-person teams were a point compromise, requiring a minimalist approach to their charting the Stargate system. Any sort of vehicle is going to have a chance of breaking down mid-operation, and needing to be abandoned. That's information about human culture and technology that anybody with a Stargate at any point in time could eventually use to narrow their search parameters and trace back to Earth. Not just by the enemies they know of today, but the ones they haven't yet made contact with. They don't know what's out there. They don't know if the Goa'uld are the worst threat humanity has ever faced, or just one of many nemises that would leap at the chance to invade a non-space faring civilization that got too curious. At least, that was the line of reasoning used to demand the SG teams leave as small a footprint as they could afford to. Granted Colonel Jack O'Neill didn't always abide by such reasoning, and I imagine he may have requested a tank more than a few times... but in the end, on the Earthside of the Stargate, he wasn't the one giving orders, so they did the best they could with the tools they were given. Was it the smartest decision? I don't know. There was a logic to it, however.

@RAdaltonracer

Жыл бұрын

@@ladymercy5275 Ok thank you for saying what I’ve been meaning to say since this came out lol You’ve made every point needed! The four man SG teams are enough as is.

@HappyBeezerStudios

8 ай бұрын

Orbit to ground weapons would hit infantry just as well as a tank.

To be fair, you could stick to your argument by pointing out that the ramp, which is at a height to match the ramp at the exit stargate, is too low to accommodate the width of an abrams. You could raise the ramp at the earth side stargate, but that wouldn't help you at the other end. It would be a one-way trip.

@timthorson52

2 жыл бұрын

I think a tank could "climb" that foot or two.

@aDifferentJT

2 жыл бұрын

@@timthorson52 that would involve all the weight of the tank resting on a single point at the very edge of the tracks, tanks aren’t designed to handle that.

@Minotaur1975

2 жыл бұрын

@@aDifferentJT And if it got stuck there, nothing else is getting through

@timthorson52

2 жыл бұрын

@@aDifferentJT true, I'm not sure if all tanks would fail, or only some of them, they could throw down support ramps but that wouldn't work in an emergency situation.

@OmegaTou

2 жыл бұрын

@@Strike_Williams The bridge would have to be designed with wormhole physics in mind. If I'm remembering the in-universe lore correctly, an object does not exit the event horizon, until it has completely enter it. So the bridge would have to be two completely separate pieces, and would be unable to use its other half as a counterbalance.

“Why didn’t Stargate Command use tanks?” Because they have one MacGyver and it’s enough.

@darkgamerfx5034

2 жыл бұрын

And that's all they need, 😂

@Pikkabuu

2 жыл бұрын

Well why didn't McGyver build them a tank or heavy weaponry when they needed one?!

@daadaa86

2 жыл бұрын

Omg, this answer is priceless 🤣🤣🤣

@s0ulshot

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pikkabuu He just became a super diplomat and a superhuman towards the end instead, because there wasn't enough pinecones, paperclips, and dead squirrels to work with. Also, what would Carter do if Mac would had unleashed his true form all of sudden?

The SG1 episode Forever in a day shows the use of a mg mounted on a Malp. That would have been a good place to start.

I always thought it was a massive mistake to not have a retrofited naquada tank or APC used. Most of the time they would only be used to hold a gate while you extract SG teams.

@noonebesides

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of holding a gate... A support vehicle that can traverse a gate and set down a fold-out, iris type device on the other side would be at the top of my wishlist as SGC chief procurement officer.

The Bradley fighting vehicle and its variants, Stryker APC and its variants, M113 and its variants, or the LAV 25 and its variants would all be perfect for roles needed by the SG teams. If this would happen it would entail a whole different SGC where one of these vehicles could easily be used. I absolutely loved all the SG series but how they entered combat always kinda irked me. Using IFV, LAV, or APCs would have made a hell of a lot more sense. Also I had some problems with the SGC as it was blue that was forgivable because it had a in universe explanation that worked

@chrismaguire3667

2 жыл бұрын

My first thought, using Bradleys.

@goodolboston4522

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrismaguire3667 the thing is a light tank ifv lav and apc all in one. Now I know it wouldn't fit in every scenario in the show but it would fit many different scenarios. Also with the SGC I would have built it in a sort of hanger that would have allowed ease of entry for the vehicle. This would also allow for more entrenched and fortified positions to defend against any sort of gate room incursion. It is not like it would be hard to hide any sort of power usage as they did it in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex and that had NORAD sitting on top of it.

@tylersoto7465

2 жыл бұрын

What they need is A cheap and expendable basic good heavy electric vehicle they can easily use or they have some that they don't care for and retrofit fit it with extra AA battery guns and SAM missles on it too and use scrap material from gau'ld, Ori or wraith vehicles laying around to use as armor plating and use a energy core from the staff weapons the enemy leaves around and have there's vehicles at a alpha site and just dial in if need them to push off infantry or air fighters off that plain and simple lol

I feel like a lot of situations throughout both SG1 and Atlantis probably could of been solved a lot faster with proper armoured and air support but hey 4 people with P90’s is fine

@bitharne

2 жыл бұрын

*cries in MP-5*

@carlost856

2 жыл бұрын

They were supposed to be exploration teams. There were a number of bigger combat teams. Also which of the aircrafts that we have can rapidly be deployed through a Stargate? A number of drones could be assembled on the other side, but those aren't known for their dogfighting capabilities. They'd be sitting ducks for the Goa'uld spaceships.

@salidin54

2 жыл бұрын

Remember when they shoot down a death glider with a stinger in the pilot, and then never use them again even though every other fucking episode they get chased by death gliders. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@ivepeters

2 жыл бұрын

@@salidin54 👍

@thehavoccompany-a3

2 жыл бұрын

@@salidin54 Yeah, I also remember that lol

I retired from the Air Force in 2019 and, if given the option, Higher HQ would refuse the use of armored vehicles because it would require a joint command and large logistics support unless it was to set up a permanent base off world (which would require an Army O-6 or above to command).

@wwoods66

2 жыл бұрын

Get them from the Marines? Who, in SG-3 already have a, ahem, foothold inside SGC.

IIRC, there's at least one scene in season 2 when General Hammond explicitly requests an armored platoon to secure the area around an off-world Stargate. I think an Abrams makes little sense for the SGC anyway. The Goa'ld seemed to only field jaffa infantry, death gliders and the occasional artillery piece. AT gun vs infantry can easily go in favor of the infantry. I wouldn't be surprised if a staff weapon could immobilize a tank as well. A LAV would be a good idea. I think a Shilika would be pretty damn intimidating though.

I think a simple Jeep would've been fine and dandy for an SG Team.

@chimaican01

2 жыл бұрын

Or ATV, or motorbikes, or dune buggy.

@rianmacdonald9454

2 жыл бұрын

i was thinking of the special forces sand buggies, quick agile, 4 man team plus equipment, would of been perfect for what they needed. why have a heavy armoured vehicle when you can have a little fast thing to get the hell out of dodge, epically when the ''aliens'' your fighting can't shoot for shit. lol

"We have a Bradley ifv" "No thanks, we'll walk."

@shadowzone2588

4 ай бұрын

"and not be a big fat target for a hatak in orbit"

I feel like the Goa'ulds have way to solid anti-tank weaponry. Deathgliders and those cannon emplacements perform abysmally when fighting infantry. Because they are designed for vehicles or large formations. Tealc one used a Staff Cannon to shoot the Cockpit of Taniths Al'kesh. So it has impact force on the level of a ATG or AA missile.

@Neuttah

2 жыл бұрын

That was the open cockpit, though. With a few tonnes of metal and ceramic to work with, and the surprisingly large size profile, you could probably whip up a pretty tough hull, as far as regular staff weapons are concerned. Maybe still not for sustained cannon blasts, but I think there's enough room for the crew to go "Whoops, missed that one, lemme try again!" Frankly, I'm reminded of the Early 60s tanks. When France and Germany went "Armour? Fuck that, just make it fast!" while the US and Brits plated the hell out of their fronts. And Soviets...just pancaked harder.

@blueleader102

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neuttah France/Germany: Speed! I am speed! Brits: I am fortifying this iron cage. USA: How tall is *too* tall? Soviets: Pancake me harder, daddy!

@dunmermage

2 жыл бұрын

​@@blueleader102 "I am fortifying this iron cage." That is horrible! Why did you say that?

@grimlock1471

2 жыл бұрын

We've seen Staff Weapons blow chunks out of stone walls. I question how well a Stryker or LAV could stand up to concentrated fire. Even an M1 has a considerable variation in armor depending where on the tank you are hitting. Granted the Jaffa would have to hit the same place several times....

@Neuttah

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimlock1471 So do the heavy machineguns that vehicles like the Stryker are rated for. And they have a much easier time landing consistent groupings. Sure, they might not offer 100% protection, but...narratively speaking, would we want them to?

I love that Stargate content it still being made on the internet!

Now I'm just imagining Apophis standing in front of a tank going "You cannot kill me! I am a g-" and then the tank runs him over and Jack's like "did anybody hear something?" and everyone else gives shrugs while Teal'c smiles menacingly.

The LAV also fills the role of “Makepeace, you hold the gate”.

@shadowzone2588

4 ай бұрын

hatak fills the role of "I obliterate anything bigger than a four-person squad that comes through the stargate."

We'd also have to know how effective Goa'uld heavy weapons would be against contemporary vehicle armor. The fixed, heavy staff weapons seemed capable of seriously damaging large spacecraft, same goes for the primary weaponry on the Death Gliders. The DGs seemed to have trouble engaging infantry in close terrain, but if an Abrams would be a sitting duck against one you'd also need significant air defenses accompanying it so it doesn't get picked off from above, because SGC almost never had air/space superiority where they were operating. ...but the most probable reason is the show's budget, lol.

@ColonelBragg

2 жыл бұрын

They should have used the Desert Patrol Vehicle, That thing has been around since 1991. Plus its basically just a modified dune buggy, So therefore likely easily within the shows prop budget.

@Gellert1984

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColonelBragg Oh, you mean Starfleets Argo? XD

@Voron_Aggrav

2 жыл бұрын

indeed tests needs to be conducted to know how effective their weapons would be against armoured vehicles, and an Abrams would be the Worst option of any vehicle to pick, either a Bradley, or an LAV-25 AD (Especially if that thing has depression or at least can shoot level) would be my two choices for IFV, although the mentioned Argo (Which has IRL counterparts) with a mounted Machine gun would already serve most missions shown in the Show,

@josephahner3031

2 жыл бұрын

To paraphrase the words of Nicholas " The Chieftain" Moran: the armor is not your primary defense against enemy fire as a tanker, the best defense is to not get hit in the first place.

@ekonomija8718

2 жыл бұрын

I wish a future Stargate book or comic (something that doesn't require the budget of making real-life models with limited budget) could have featured Goa'uld Hovertanks. Imagine a time before Ra, when the System Lords were always fighting with one another : at some point, maybe they would have liked a super heavily armoured variant of a Death Glider that would operate as a tank, floating close to the ground with really powerful staff weapons and being able to pierce Jaffa lines with great mobility. If a modern System Lord took out these hover tanks, Earth could respond by making their own hover tanks, running off naquadah, and kind of look like BF4's HT-95 Levkov

I wouldn't mind seeing a Abrams tank going through a Stargate just to see it happen, as far as I see it when it comes to the series. It's just a matter of the right tool for the right job.

@iglidor

2 жыл бұрын

Goualds could then just simply start placing tank traps right around stargate. It would be simple, cheap and very affordable solution. Stuck tank is dead tank when fighting against infantry. Those tank traps would also still allow people to walk around them so it would not disrupt regular use of gate. What I am more dissatisfied is how no one in SGC never though to put out heavy fortified turrets into gate room, that would be able to defend it but also able to fire through the gate when it is opened from their side. With goaulds not using Iris, it would be very effective tool (in conjecture with remote camera) to clear space around gate and help teams on other side to defend the gate before they are ready to go back.

@toddkes5890

Жыл бұрын

@@iglidor How about moving the stargate up and down on a set of rails, so the reception and support can be different as needed. Imagine moving the Stargate to be in front of a 16-inch gun, and rotating/angling the Stargate to change the vector of the exiting shell. Or a pair of 5-inch guns, or an 8-pack of pop-pom guns, all sorts of guns you could park on one side of a Stargate for heavy fire support.

UTVs/SxS and Humvees would be the best over all vehicles for them. In a lot of SG team missions they just needed speed or conveyance, not firepower. But in the cases they needed firepower up armored have a few different weapons to mount on their turrets. And in the cases where they new a battle was coming IFVs could have been used.

I just started watching SG-1 for the first time, and honestly the whole time I’m just wondering why aren’t they throwing more firepower through these things? Come on!

@Paerigos

2 жыл бұрын

@Mako Reizei well the practicality isnt great. both on base side, and usually the getting it back trough the gate would be major issue - Ancient pedestals werent really that fancy for tanks....

@pwrserge83

2 жыл бұрын

Because watching a battalion of Marines go through the gate and curb-stomp a bunch of snake heads would be boring.

@VeteranAlpha

2 жыл бұрын

@@pwrserge83 Yea that would be if you're a Xeno lover. 😂

@Del_S

2 жыл бұрын

@Mako Reizei It might be a bit of a diplomatic thing. A team carrying these fairly small weapons they call "defense weapons"? Yeah, that's fine, guess they might need to defend themselves. But they're toting big long things called "assault rifles"? Who are they going to assault? That'd be some irony given the P90 was dubbed a weapon of war, of course.

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t

2 жыл бұрын

@@pwrserge83 Also, the SG program is, you know, super-duper-most-top-secret. Nobody outside of the direct chain of command(Hammond/Landry - Secretary of the Air Force - Secretary of Defense - POTUS) is supposed to even know the Stargate exists, let alone works or has led to (often hostile) contact with alien species. Bringing the better part of 1,000 crayon-eaters in on it isn't a great way to keep it secret.

Question: Why Didn't Stargate Command Use Tanks? Answer: they don't fit the nature of the mission Real Answer: Budget.

@darth_yoda

2 жыл бұрын

Better answer the gate is TO small at the bottom for most tanks/APC/Strikers to fit through.

@kanebekkattla3963

2 жыл бұрын

@@darth_yoda Better answer build a ramp.

@Joshua_N-A

2 жыл бұрын

@@darth_yoda I watch the original 1994 film, they got a ramp. An APC like the M113 and armoured vehicle like the M1117 would be enough for the SG team.

@grimlock1471

2 жыл бұрын

@@darth_yoda but what happens if the gate on the otherside doesn't have a ramp?

@darth_yoda

2 жыл бұрын

@@grimlock1471 I think you were asking the wrong person. Since I haven't suggested the use of a ramp (WHich WOULD not work since it would have to reach the center of the gate and then it wouldn't have enough top clearence to get tanks/APC/Strikers through. PLUS even if they COULD get through they would CRASH on the other side as they would exist the gate in the same location that they entered (Which is shown quite a few times in the Show)

Well they did use versions of the MALP with heavier weapons and a blast shield on the front. Also there's not a lot of Tanks used by the USAF. Quads, dirt bikes and horses would all be fairly easy to support and useful. Grass grows on most worlds. A helicopter would be a good bet too. More maintenance intensive but relatively quick, easy to arm and good for transport in rough terrain.

This is an interesting concept, I'm now picturing a Stargate version of a bridge builder that drops a reinforced ramp through the gate then drives through

@Mohrrunkel

2 жыл бұрын

Nice idea, but I think this constricts the actual expedition vehicle too much, having to carry the bridge building device and such. Why not use two seperate ones? Should be cheaper to use standard military vehicles for the actual mission, which you can choose depending on the mission parameters.

I think using Bradleys and LAV's makes a lot of sense for SGC. In modern warfare cav scouts do basically what they do in stargate, go out and conduct recon and if they take contact you have a 25mm chaingun, tow missiles, and machine guns. You still would have dismounted teams so any concern of the vehicles leaving too much of a signature or scaring the locals shouldn't be too much of an issue. (There is also an episode of stargate where general Hammond says an armored unit would be able to retake a stargate under the control of some jaffa so the SGC definitely has the capability to send armor through the stargate).

@erikwithaK-g6y

2 жыл бұрын

If only cav scouts actually did what they were trained for. I was a scout NCO and I didn't get to do scout shit until I went to a light infantry unit.

not "tanks" but infantry fighting vehicles and anti-air, a small commando team with grenade launchers, rifles, stingers missiles and RPG's could take down the snakes... actually an armored jeep with a minigun and RPG teams could take down a hell of a lot.... One massive gap in the stargate lore: Long range towed artillery, mortars and snipers,, why not use them too??

@JRexRegis

2 жыл бұрын

They _do_ use RPGs occasionally, for example in the first season they shoot down a death glider with one. We also see light artillery in some offworld bases, but those are almost never used.

@gawkthimm6030

2 жыл бұрын

@@JRexRegis you use artillery tactics "shoot and scoot", they should have used them offensively

@gawkthimm6030

2 жыл бұрын

@@JRexRegis I would think towed heavy artillery would be the easiest heavy fire power to transport through the gate

@zac3278

2 жыл бұрын

@@gawkthimm6030 If the target is close enough to the gate, you don't need to send the artillery through. You could just fire shells through it.

@mullerpotgieter

2 жыл бұрын

I believe "rule of cool" overrides basic military tactics. Just seeing a couple squads of snipers and members with stinger missiles wiping everything out without risking so much as a papercut doesn't make for fun TV

1:08 while it does fit through, it doesnt fit through at the the level the platforms are built. So while they could easily build a lifted ramp at their base to chuck the tanks through the middle of the stargate, they would also have to build a ramp on the other side of the connection every time.

@SteveWhisenhant

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Quite likely to damage remote gate

@2MeterLP

2 жыл бұрын

@@SteveWhisenhant Didnt the show say the gate are basically indestructible? I think the main problem is that if you dont build a ramp on the other side, the tank is going to fall a couple of feet on the other side and cant go back through until the ramp is built.

I always thought the SG-1 primary mission was exploration. Fighting the Goa'ul, the Wraiths, the Ori and all other hostile civilizations in the galaxy was a secondary priority, wich limited the amount of asistance they could bring to their interplanetary allies

I think lore-wise, the reason why SG teams were often able to win against goaul'ds was that goauld's were arrogant and so had that attitude of "I have there 20 jaffas so some 4 tauri soldiers with their primitive technology won't be able to do anything there. If SGC started to deploy these armored vehicles with considerably stronger firepower and lay waste to high numbers of jaffas, it might give to the system lords the idea that Earth might be a threat and maybe they would start fielding bigger garrisons, heavier units, more gliders or stronger types of ships and in general the SGC which in turn would require the SGC to also field heavier vehicles and maybe the goauld's would try to find more ways to destroy Earth in some way that bypasses the treaty with Asgards.

@carlost856

2 жыл бұрын

Or they would have stopped being stupid and sent more than two Ha'taks while the earth didn't have the protection of the Asgards yet.

@dmwanderer9454

2 жыл бұрын

In lore they are proud, but also use inferior Staff weapons and have worse training. O'neil says himself when comparing staffs to the P90, one is meant to torture and intimidate but the P90 is meant to kill.

@FrendlyM

2 жыл бұрын

@@dmwanderer9454 Yes, but in that episode the P90 firepower demonstration happened because Earth offered weapons to support the Jaffa rebellion and the Jaffas were not very impresed with the offer because those wer "Earth weapons", presuming it is some low-tech scrap junk. The Jaffa rebellion was formed from Jaffas who defected from Goaul'ds so I think it can be presumed that within the Goaul'd and Jaffas that serve them runs a misconeption that Earth weapons are inferior.

@FirstnameLastname-py3bc

2 жыл бұрын

I think same situation as Rhodesia, RLI often took down camps of thousands of insurgents in enemy territory with only hundred troop themselves A spec op vs just ordinary soldiers, I think that's the point - nobody knows how to react to enemy right back home, but SG command was preparing exactly for that purpose - to go to unknown lands knowing that it could be extremely dangerous and everyone you see might want to eat you

@AdamTehranchiYT

2 жыл бұрын

Non-escalation seems legit

There´s another facet to this story. SG1 was captured several times. Now those enemies have a couple of machine guns and a dozen magazines. Imagine they capture a tank or LAV XD Also, as Sun Tzu wrote, war is deception. You dont sent your biggest weapon as long as you have alternatives. I mean, they shot down a death gilder in the very first episode with a Stinger rocket.

@05017351

2 жыл бұрын

Self destruct systems are a thing though. Not impossible to rig a vehicle to be destroyed on command, but remain safe for battlefield opperation. Many SF vehicles are modified so that they can be abandoned safely in hostile terrain once they are no longer needed.

@TheLifeOfKane

2 жыл бұрын

You ever drive a tank? Ever wonder what kind of fuel an M1A4 takes? Ever wonder how HQ tracks tanks? Do you know how to aim the computerized turret? Ever retread a tank track? Stealing one isn't as sweet as you'd think, maybe for a short bit. The fact is most enemies wouldn't be able to use one, and nobody would have fuels, ammo, and spare parts.

@jamesyap8364

2 жыл бұрын

Fuel and ammo wouldn't exactly be a problem if the Goa'uld gets their hands on it. They could find ways to power it and arm it with maybe staff cannons? However parts will still be an issue.

@ThePrisoner881

2 жыл бұрын

Capturing an Earth vehicle would be of limited utility. First, they'd have to figure out how to use it. Second, even if they could, the logistics of keeping it rearmed and refueled would be impossible. The snakeheads don't have any means of producing either and it would be silly of them to build the infrastructure to do so even though it's technologically possible. To them, it'd be like us being invaded by time traveling soldiers from the Civil War using musket and cannon. Sure, we COULD produce black powder and shot for these weapons, but why would we?

@MrAranton

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePrisoner881 Capturing an Earth vehicle would be an opportunity to study its abilities, limitations and weaknesses. A captured vehicle might also be useful for covert operations. Imagine the havoc a tank, complete with Iris codes in Goa'uld hands could do to Stargate Command...

I think it would be interesting to consider the Stargate concept in relation to the perspective of the Anime and Manga series "Gate - Thus the JSDF Fought There!" In both cases the protagonists have access to super advanced Gate transport system and are supported by a nation and military industrial complex, but in the later case the JSDF moves through and establishes a forward operating base and engages with state level diplomacy with the residents of the other side.

@thegremlin5886

2 жыл бұрын

The big downside not present in gate is the ability of the enemy to fly to any particular planet and bombard from orbit. (Also black ops budget may not cover fortification budgets)

While yes, many armored vehicles could fit through a Stargate, they wouldn't fit into the room that it is located in. They were doing good to get the Rovers inside.

@Princess_Celestia_

2 жыл бұрын

Such armored vehicles would be useless against the Jaffa staff weapons which have been shown to be able to blow through blast doors and armored glass like a hot knife through butter. Get an M-1A1 through the gate and it's gonna attract Jaffa staff weapon fire and get damaged and have to be abandoned resulting in 6.21 million dollars down the drain.

@bluemountain4181

2 жыл бұрын

But the Stargate was discovered in Egypt and moved to Cheyenne. If they could get in then they could get it out and put it somewhere accessible to tanks

@Princess_Celestia_

2 жыл бұрын

@@bluemountain4181 But then you have the problem of what to do if there is a foothold situation (the enemy having gotten passed the iris and capture the gate). Standard SGC protocol for a foothold situation is to set the SGC's self destruct and in so doing collapses the mountain on top of the gate making it inaccessible to any one in the event they fail to retake the gate. You put the gate anywhere tanks can access it and you will no longer have that advantage. Further more, there are ships that can go through stargates, the snakeheads had a few, more common place where atlantian "jumpers" and wrath darts. Having the earth gate inside the SGC makes the earth's gate unassailable by such craft as there's only enough room for 1 such craft to fit at a time. It also makes it difficult to attack on foot as any foot assault would have to fight room to room where the SG teams and base security would have a serious strategic advantage.

@tyrannicpuppy

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Just coz a vehicle can physically fit through the gate doesn't mean it can get anywhere near the embarkation room 28 floors down in a ballistic missile silo built decades ago that was never intended to fit vehicles at that level. You'd be hard pressed getting a golf cart through some of the corridors on level 28 much less a bleeding tank. Even a humvee would be too big.

@toddkes5890

Жыл бұрын

They can move the Gate outside the mountain, drive the vehicles through to the Alpha site. Then they put the Gate back in its proper place, and drive the vehicles from the Alpha site to the SGC. The vehicles could even be stored in a different place than the standard Gate Room, and the Gate moved up and down as needed to whichever floor they wanted to leave from.

I think it all comes down to logistics. The Abrams for exams is a logistical nightmare for a small unit outfit like the SGC, both in terms of material to keep them operational on the day to day, but also in specialised manpower, training and housing for both tank and crew. The more complex your vehicle the more the logistics requirements balloon out.

@gilbertohernandez2409

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention staff weapons would most likely melt of any armor of any tank or armored vehicles, also the budget

I'd say for their mission types an LAV would still be a bit heavy, but a Humvee would actually be pretty spot on. It might not be as well armoured but that increases its mobility and decreases its ground footprint. And it comes in a multitude of variants for all roles. What's not to like?

@Rylus571

2 жыл бұрын

The significant lack of firepower.

@spycrab421

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rylus571 Eh, a 25mm gun is a bit overkill for this kinda thing anyway with the exception of AAA work; a .50 cal or 7.62mm minigun would probably work just fine.

@PaiSAMSEN

2 жыл бұрын

Quite frankly, even a jeep with .50cal would be more than sufficient for most SGC off-world operations.

@Mercwithamouth101

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rylus571 Depends on the sitaution, but you can mount a TOW launcher on a Humvee. That should provide enough firepower for most sitatuions the SG teams would need heavy weapons for.

@TheArklyte

2 жыл бұрын

Humvee is not amphibious and has no NBC protection. Case closed.

I think part of it was not providing a larger target for staff weapons to hit. If I recall correctly they're much harder to aim with but deal a pretty significant amount of damage when they do hit.

I’d love to see the type of drones they could use today considering how quickly they’ve advanced since the show finished. I could see armed medium to large drones being quite effective for the sg missions.

@pflernak

2 жыл бұрын

Up until the gauld start jamming the signals

The "ahhh shit" was hilarious Though I still see a problem, depending on where and when they're being deployed it seems like they could only go through one at a time, which in my mind means that any tanks coming through would be at risk of getting bottlenecked and blocking the rest of the column

@Lapantouflemagic0

2 жыл бұрын

not necessarily, with adequate training I'm pretty confident you could pull it off. Make sure each tank driver knows beforehand where he can an cannot stop and you can send five tanks at full speed through the gate in ten-fifteen seconds

@omega13whitelucario95

2 жыл бұрын

Bigger problem unless they moved the stargate How you gonna get the Tanks or anything other then a bike into the room to even go through?

@wepntech

2 жыл бұрын

@@omega13whitelucario95 The ceiling opens, etc... but still, not the best setup at SGC for vehicles. Though they could use them on a well established beachhead. just file them through one at a time and so on.

@omega13whitelucario95

2 жыл бұрын

@@wepntech true Though you would want lighter more mobile stuff rather then tanks anyways Try hitting a Death Glider with a tank Tbh I also don't quite see the need for the vehicle for several reasons, at least not the heavy ones

@pogo1140

2 жыл бұрын

@@omega13whitelucario95 how did they get the gate into the room? Or the wheeled and winged.drones and drone launcher?

What they really need is a warthog. The timing is way off but hey, they have an Interstellar teleporter so I think there are bigger things to worry about

@moritamikamikara3879

2 жыл бұрын

Timing is right. In one episode they dissasemble an F-302 and reassemble it on the other side, and this is not necessarily a bad idea, but it would take a while to do in preparation for an operation, so realistically I'd say not practical for most missions. Damn it'd be nice though.

@existentialselkath1264

2 жыл бұрын

@@moritamikamikara3879 I meant the era

@tsamoka6496

2 жыл бұрын

You mean a Puma, right? :D =^x^=

@blackmage665

2 жыл бұрын

Old fucking reference is old, I love it.

Another point: The gate room was purposefully kept small and confined in case of future foothold situations. Making it efficient for tank deployment would also restrict how much control they would have if an invading force pressed in. Adding to this, most gates are positions for foot travel. Sure, there are many worlds where a tank could easily roll in and out without trouble, but there are lots more where something that big would have difficulties getting in and out of the portal. Only in Pegasus do they really use the gates for mechanized forces.

@toddkes5890

Жыл бұрын

Have the gate on an elevator style rail system, and if attacked they move the Stargate to a 'reception room'. This room can have the Stargate rotated to face vertically so the attackers emerge then fall back in the event horizon, or is only as thick as needed to fit the Stargate resulting in a form of meat paste sliding out as successive troopers crush the ones in front. If you want to take the attackers alive you can have the Stargate facing down towards a tank of water, so anyone attacking now has to swim instead of just walking around. Swimming while carrying heavy equipment is fairly difficult, and a set of bubble tubes to aerate the water would make it impossible to float in. Make the sides of the tank slippery, and the attackers have to take turns on the narrow steps heading out.

@HappyBeezerStudios

8 ай бұрын

@@toddkes5890The issue is more with the gate on the other side. Often enough are they placed ontop of stairs, which any vehicle would have to get down and back up.

@toddkes5890

8 ай бұрын

@@HappyBeezerStudios Tanks are amazing at off-road travel (look up the video "Tank vs Range Rover Challenge Part 2 - Top Gear - BBC"). Plus the initial probe that the Stargate team uses would be able to take a picture of the stairs, and the SGC would be able to select the correct vehicles (width, height, treads/wheels, environment, etc). Also, my post was about the reception on the SGC side, not sending to the other side.

One of the first things I did with a Stargate mod for Operation Flashpoint (the predecessor to ARMA for those who don't know) was set up 2 gates, put some Jaffa on one end and drive an M113 through.

Pretty interesting, I'm sure if the show had the budget there would've been a season finale or 2 with armor support coming through the gate, granted it'd probably be a lighter wheeled vehicle rather than an Abrams but it still would've been cool

@jameslyddall

2 жыл бұрын

The two part episode where the nurse was killed and they had a big battle would have been a cool time to use a armoured vehicle or when the Russians joined. I would love to have written an episode where O’Neil finds a BMP, rescues a Russian squad and run over a System lord who’s to arrogant to think these are harmless. Not sure if that would have been allowed in context of the tone of the show but it would have been a cool demonstration of human firepower and a nice moment between the Russians and the Americans.

@Princess_Celestia_

2 жыл бұрын

Cool? Sure. Necessary? Hell nah. Not only would it not be necessary, but you'd have a hell of a time explaining why you'd even bother. Just to get any vehicle through the gate would require lowering the damned thing down the vertical shaft above the gate room.

What about the “Badger” tank, it’s small armored and equipped with powerful headlights for exploration. Also, the fact that it doesn’t have weapons mounted on it makes it suitable for diplomatic missions.

@carldavies4776

2 жыл бұрын

It's VERY small!!! Great bit of kit though...needs guns!

@thegamer5367

2 жыл бұрын

@@carldavies4776 would probably not be that hard to smack a 50 cal or small autocannon on top, or at least some kind of small misile rig.

@Del_S

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegamer5367 One episode had a MALP with a 50 mounted on it. Never understood why they didn't at least do that a few more times.

@ungooy

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't that UK army only? But after the UK got involved, yeah maybe.

@007Aeon

2 жыл бұрын

Why not add a Wiesel to the mix. I mean at some point the SG program got revealed to the other countries so we are not limited to only American Tech. And I love those little tanks that come with a 20mm double fed autocannon. You can even place a mortar in the back :)

NGL, seeing a death glider fly over an LAV-25 and then hearing the "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrat!" of the chaingun as it chews that slow, soaring, worthless craft to glowing smitherenes would make for a satisfying scene.

There was an episode where they had a Malp (the 6 wheeled remote controlled vehicles) equipped with a mounted machine gun. Not quite a tank, but getting there. It's season 3 episode 10, and you can find a clip on YT.

This would have been soooooooook awesome. "This is a hatak chariot of the gods, pray to the gods" O'Neill,"This is an Abrams chariot of... of... Oh forget it fire!"

@TheWoblinGoblin

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and yes realistically they would have gone for something with wheels. They so would have chosen something slightly futuristic, maybe like the Italian centauro ;)

@TheFirstLanx

2 жыл бұрын

Ahahaha! Yes! I can so see that!

I honestly think one of the biggest issues would be keeping secret the reason for the reassignment and supply of even a few tanks at Cheyenne Mountain. The cover story used by most as it being deep space research or a satellite research station (I cant quite remember what the cover story was for most teams/the base as a whole) would kind of fall apart once several tank crews and all of the support needed for them get reassigned. I think that is also why the base staff and away teams seemed to be fairly small for the project, hard to maintain an under the radar presence if you have a full battalion stationed there that all need to know the true nature of the base, especially from other nations. I could be wrong and nobody in the military or those watching the budget would care, but (spoilers, just in case) considering a plot point early on is someone questioning the already outrageous budget of the base I find that unlikely.

@andrewcrawford5576

2 жыл бұрын

I thought of this too. But unless I’m wrong the SGC is only a few levels of Cheyenne mountain and most of the rest is NORAD and other units. So having a non “deep space radar telemetry” thing go into the mountain isn’t too far off. But you are right. That said they somehow can on multiple occasions transport the gate to and from the gate room without anyone noticing.

@throughmyeyes8568

2 жыл бұрын

analyisis of deep space radar telemetry

@irregularassassin6380

2 жыл бұрын

Given the plots of several episodes involve evacuating the SGC due to hostile takeovers, bioweapons, and a frickin' actual black hole, I seriously doubt there could be anyone else but SGC personnel inside Cheyenne Mountain. If they made that a plot point early on, the writers forgot about it.

They probably think it's too dangerous to move the gate out of the SGC. Remember, the first thing Ra tried to do was to blow up the Stargate. Apophis, Nirrti, Anubis, Baal, Camulus, Mot all tried to blow up the Stargate. In order to move tanks through the gate, they would have to put it where it would be much more vulnerable to an attack. Put it outside, a sneaky Goa'uld crashes a cloaked cargo ship into it, detonates the naquadah and wipes out earth.

I love the SGC's remedy to this shortcoming - Putting an M2 .50 cal on a wheeled MALP when an all out brawl was inevitable.

@Minotaur1975

2 жыл бұрын

Or sending a drone through to paint targets then firing a couple of missiles

*Edit:* The armchair generals responding to my comment are real, lol... The tank can fit, at least if they had the ramp up higher, and made it wider. _But can it easily return with the way the offworld gates are mounted?_ I have a feeling it might de-track itself trying to wedge into the narrower bottom of the gate. They'd have to take through something like a bridging device to set up a ramp on the far-side. I'd also wager the drop from going through higher up would not be great for the tanks either, lot of potential to damage suspension or even embed the main gun into the ground on some of the higher plinths you see offworld gates up on. I'd personally favor something even smaller than an 8-wheeled vehicle, probably more like the British scorpion light recon vehicle or its successors. Its tracks favor light terrain, it's narrow enough to go through the bottom of the gate easier and it's shorter, so less trouble staging it in the gate-room. As much as I didn't like Atlantis overall, the 'puddle jumper' is probably the best idea for a gate-related vehicle in the whole franchise.

@P3x310

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe a couple of Ripsaw tanks? High speed and mobility, light weight, can be remote-controlled like a MALP and can have a minigun turret? Also, looks seriously cool on camera.

@kauske

2 жыл бұрын

@@P3x310 Doesn't the ripsaw have only about the level of protection as a humvee? From everything I've seen it's more a toy for the rich than a proven military vehicle anyhow. I'd much rather take a battle-proven light tank. I can't imagine a ripsaw would make it far without being de-tracked by a staff blast, since it has rubber tracks. Rotary cannons are also not the greatest idea for long deployments, too much ammo consumption. They're fine on a heli that can return to base quick for reload, but not great for ground vehicles. Regular MG's are lighter, and work fine. You can use the weight savings to have an autocannon or automatic grenade launcher too.

@P3x310

2 жыл бұрын

@@kauske I absolutely agree, it's most popular type is a toy and not a fighting vehicle. The creators did mention working on a military version, though, and as you said, different armament would make much more sense in most situations. As far as the tracks go, we could consider in-universe materials that are flexible and energy-weapon-resistant, such as those super soldier suits Baal developped later in the series. But anyway, the Ripsaw would make more sense from a rule of cool perspective rather than actual strategic advantage.

@AresWalker8

2 жыл бұрын

@@kauske One of the versions of the Ripsaw uses a 20mm machine gun instead of a rotary gun. Ripsaw's armor is lightly better than a Humvee in that its angled. Those tracks while rubber do have metal bands in them and take massive impacts from the speeds they are built for (should watch the episode(s) on Howe & Howe Tech)

@martinstensvehagen9161

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if they plan on bringing a tank, it's not much of a hassle to also bring a ramp

I think the Staff Weapons would pose a problem. Didn't the high yield shots go through the metal blast doors in Star Gate Command? I wouldn't want to sit in a tank, when every enemy has a weapon available that they can switch into Anti-Tank-Mode no problem with the weapon behaving roughly the same.

@Paerigos

2 жыл бұрын

actually the the ceramic composites of modern armor should handle the staff weapons fairly well...

@molybdane7240

2 жыл бұрын

@@Paerigos The heavier versions of the staff weapons, the static ones or the ones found on deathgliders might still pose a problem. On the other hand, I remember an episode in which ceramic composites were tested effectively against a regular staff blast weapon.

@Paerigos

2 жыл бұрын

@@molybdane7240 I actually think that was some polymer sheet which was designed to absorb the thermal shock but not the kinetic energy of the blast. Staff weapons are really just essentialy particle guns. anyway - bulletproff glass wasnt also that bad against staff weapons either (SGC window to the gate comes to mind was under fire several times).

@grayscribe1342

2 жыл бұрын

Placed right a light tank supported by machine guns and several Stinger Missiles should be able to keep any staff weapon out of range. Taking into account the usual troop size they run into that is. A major assault would overrun them, but the cost for the Goa'uld would be horrendous. Not that they would care. Well, they wouldn't care about the losses, but the loss of face when this makes the rounds amongst the Jaffa. Several hundred Jaffa died to overwhelm one or two dozen Tau'ri? And the God did nothing? True, an orbital strike would wipe out that small force. But then again, that itself can be used as a trap.

@Neuttah

2 жыл бұрын

@@Paerigos The word "Ceramic polymer," was used, specifically. Let's chalk it down to either some sort of layered mix of the two, or space materials magick. Also, to quote: "Didn't help Fraiser much..." Not all bulletproof glass is created equal, though. That pane of glass in the gate room is probably thick, and heavy as all hell.

Yeah I always kind of had issue with that. When going through a fixed point it would make a lot more tactical sense to send out armed drones first to recon and pacify the immediate area, followed by some kind of armored vehicles disgorging SG teams safely. Also, they need more stingers and javelins.

Most likely in those type of opening perfectly will be fit's Humvee. He also have many variants from infantry transport through fire support to command unit's, besides he is three times smaller than M1

They should definitely have tanks, mechanized and motorized vehicles in their arsenal although the Stargate itself is a major logistical bottleneck, especially when operating complex equipment on multible worlds simultaneously.

@timthndr2996

2 жыл бұрын

Whilst that might be true to an extent, earth does have two Stargates at one point. On top of that if you could already fit tanks through the gate, you might as well send some logi trucks with supply, which should cut the gate time by a fair bit.

@Spectification

2 жыл бұрын

@@timthndr2996 You cannot have 2 wormholes open from the same planet. You also would have to have 2 incredibly secured sites in the case of a Foothold situation. Multiple points of failure are something I dont think they would risk. Especially when the other gate would be controlled by a different superpower, since the US would never operate the only 2 stargates, while other nations stood by and watched.

@glitterboy2098

2 жыл бұрын

you'd think that when earth started building starships they'd have built in room to carry some armored vehicles alongside the infantry complement. they were already using Marines, so why not design your ships with the ability to carry part of a Marine Expeditionary Unit (so that you could send a full MEU out with 2-3 ships to carry them?)

Bringing tanks or any armoured vehicles through the Stargate would be A: pretty damn useless against Goa'uld weapons and shield technology and B: it would just convince the natives of the travelled-to planets that no, those are not "peaceful explorers" but an invading army.

@jasonhenry8067

2 жыл бұрын

I think the foot based SG exploration teams like SG-1 are perfectly understandable. It’s the times when Combat teams where brought in that I wished we could have seen some more heavy firepower.

@TheSleepyowlet

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonhenry8067 I think the real reason was budget restraints. It's not just running the tech itself, it's also qualified people who have to operate it, and I think the money and effort were just not worth it. In-universe I still think that any big army things would have been pretty much useless. Anything with wheels needs roads to drive on to be effective, and that goes for moving heavy weaponry too. The places visited rarely ever have that kind of infrastructure, and those that do wouldn't really welcome that kind of stuff. And what would you need troop transport vehicles for if all civilisation around Stargates is more or less within walking distance?

AA guns and AA fitted vieachels make a huge amount of sense given the pluracy of death gliders. Budget is the obvious reason we dont see them in the show but it's a fun thought for the next Stargate show.

@shadowzone2588

4 ай бұрын

until a hatak comes along and destroys it

I think the main reason we didn't see armoured vehicles being deployed by the SGC was... the studio couldn't afford it. A friggin' tank going through and blowing shite up would have been AWESOME!

1:20 my guess stealth, the SGC was a small fish in most of the missions it wouldnt be until we get to like season 6+ that we started to have tech that could stand toe to toe with the goa'uld forces and even then if the goa'uld system lords banded together we still couldn't match them for a while yet, so that means try not to get noticed. a few guys on foot could go unnoticed but you drive a Tank onto the field you will get seen and then forced used against you.

As far as I remember most planets they visit have the issue of being heavily forested (coincidentally like Canada) and while a single tree might not be an impassable obstacle, 1000s of trees are. Though there sure is a lack self-propelled heavy anti air or anti infantry weaponry the SGC could deploy to create a temporary perimeter around the off world gate.

This is a totally wicked concept I had never bothered to think about before. 🤔👍

Why not horses? Fast, eats grass, can travel in every terrain, emergency food source, epic, thousands years history of satisfied users.

@warhorse03826

2 жыл бұрын

do you want to clean up after the horses in the bottom of a repurposed missile silo?

@Necris94

2 жыл бұрын

@@warhorse03826 You can leave them outside, you know? Besides, it's not a big deal

I think M2 Bradleys would work as well. The M2 has also an air defence variant too (M6 line breaker). It also has the advantage of domestic production.

The lav-25 sounds like a pentagon official making a decision. I'd go with an uparmoured Bradley. Its still a transport, and has a heavy gun and is modular for any situation you might run into.

@ladymercy5275

2 жыл бұрын

There's another reason why modularity would be an attractive choice for Stargate Command. A vehicle like that can load scientific instrumentation as well. Then, said instrumentation can be dismounted in the event of 'necessary' conditions (i.e. as soon as they were on the other side, where Jack didn't have to kowtow to beauracratic policies) and replaced with equipment more useful to their mission than an IR camera, or whatever gizmo Daniel insists the team needs to decipher the runes this time. These hot swaps would be details nobody at the Pentagon needs to be explicitly told about. As far as the pencil pushers back on Earth are concerned, the whole vehicle could be listed as peace-time scientific equpiment... that just happens to have ammunition available because it's standard practice to.

1:03 the smoothest "ah shit" I've ever heard

Whenever one of team members complained about how far they had to walk I always thought it'd be neat to have them used Kawasaki Mules or John Deere Gators. Small, easy on gas and relatively quick. I mean they're the size of the MALP, easy peasy.

Not to flex too much, as I wasn't directly involved with them (IE didn't help in the operation of said vehicle), I did serve with a marine corps LAR (light armored recon) unit. We did have a host of LAV-25s and they were a lot of fun to watch go do their thing. So I fully agree with the assessment (though I'm incredibly biased) that they would make for a great vehicle to send through a stargate. I think hollywood and others really underestimate the appeal to a wheeled vehicle going break neck speed and firing a 25mm auto cannon towards the enemy. Hell. it would make for some funny commentary too. Scene: Colonel O'Niel stands next to an LAV-25, the commander of which is out the hatch waiting for orders. O'niel spies some pesky wanna be Egyptian god and/or goddess and their bodyguard regiment. O'niel puts down his binoculars. "Okay Lieutenant. See that emplacement over there? Fire a warning shot." The Lieutenant puts his own binocs down. "But.. sir.. this is a 25mm high explosive round-" O'niel: "Potato-tomato, fire the warning shot, Lieutenant." Then brings up the binoculars again to watch the mayhem ensue. hell. only need one scene where 4 or 5 LAV's attack a heavily fortified position and blow the ever loving egyptian god out of the enemy, in order to get that 'shock and awe' scene set for a season finale.

@justnsaliga8518

2 жыл бұрын

Lav's have only been conducting water operations like once every 2 years. and its just a river crossing at that......... AAV's would be much better suited for SG most ocean capable amphibious vehicle and they dont have to be perfectly balanced to float like LAVs

@thelegitpilot135

2 жыл бұрын

I see someone watches TheRussianBadger

@themanwithnosoul3958

2 жыл бұрын

It's O'Neill. Two Ls

@greendude96

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelegitpilot135 Aaah, i see here's some men of culture :D

@likilike501

2 жыл бұрын

On top of that they could use rail gun turret which could probably one shot gliders and kill Goauld lord even with their shield on. Kinetic weapons in Stargate are for some reason weak against shields but that is bullshit because you need shit ton of energy to even mimic what mere bullet or tank shell can do. Rail gun or coil gun is miles ahead of tank shell or bullets. Shots from rail or coil gun are easily moving at hypersonic speeds with so much energy that 1cm steel ball can do like 5-6cm crater deep and wide in to the steel and that is absolutely insane. They could even coat these shells in some sort of heat shield like chemical to endure insane aerodynamic heating so they could shoot them even faster and give them small naquadah explosive warheads(mini nuke shells) to for example explode inside the target. In reality everybody would need multiple naquadah reactors or a ZPM just to maybe endure few shots from that bad boy.

Be interesting to see how a system lord's personal force field would stand up to having one of those light armored vehicles parked on top of it while its guns turned his soldiers into swiss cheese.

@steveaustin2686

2 жыл бұрын

Or how a system lord's personal force field would take a 120mm sabot round. Tanks and APC/IFVs would be used to secure gates you wanted to hold or in deliberate attacks. They could also be part of a quick reaction force if necessary to extricate an SG team near the gate. You would want lots of AA with any vehicles sent through. Not to mention, lots of aircraft are shipped around in RL in cargo planes, so for some planet you wanted to hold, you could bring through a lot of various equipment. After the end of S1 when the Ha'taks show up at Earth, the cat would be out of the bag for the whole world really. After the SGC finds the hidden gate addresses, I would set up LOTS of colonies. The SG teams should be at least platoon sized, with most of the troops securing the gate and the core team doing the meet and greets.

@toddkes5890

2 жыл бұрын

Goa'uld system lord gloating how he has captured the SG-1 team: "I am a god, now listen well mortals when I say-" (Tank round passes through Goa'uld's body and splatters him everywhere) O'Neill: "I'm listening"

Excellent video but one thing you might not have considered. The stargate platform. Half the worlds we went to would have their platforms crushed and that would breed hate towards the SGC. 'Oh god, they came back and we just fixed the place from the last time.' That's why I'd suggest something even lighter like a hummer. Also, staff weapons might be armor piercing. If every jaffa could take out an M1, I'd suggest of all things, horses. Maybe camels for some worlds.

The answer to "Can a tank fit through the Stargate?" is only technically yes, as there's the following issues: A: In order for the tank to fit, is has to fit through with its treads or wheels on the ground. Looking at the schematics at 1:03, I counted that the tank needs the ground to be higher than a 10-symbol arc on the lower side of the gate or a 29-symbol arc on its upper half. Taking the shot that ends at 0:40 and counting the symbols visible above the lights of the ramp, I get 29 as well, but 1 to 3 symbols are hidden behind the lights at the edge of the ramp where I couldn't count them. Checking that both pictures show gates with the same number of symbols total, I counted about 18 between the most horizontal chevrons in both. This means that at least the ramp in the Gate Room is only slightly too low. Regarding the other side(s) of the gate, I don't know if there's any galaxy-wide standardization regarding the height of the ground in front of the Stargates. From the footage it seems that the Stargate teams never have to take any noticeable steps up or down when stepping through the Stargate, so I'll assume that all planets have floor height within about an inch or two of the Gate Room. This means that in order to Fit an M1 Abrams, the ramp in the Gate Room of the Cheyenne mountain complex would need to be retrofitted to lift to the required height And any tank traveling to another planet will need to carry ramps that are guaranteed to get it to a height at which it will fit through the Stargate. B: Almost all gates on other worlds are on a pedestal or platform with stairs leading up to it. You might remark that a tank would even be a valuable asset if it is used as a static emplacement limited to that platform, but when the Stargate opens, it creates that annoying antimatter vortex that annihilates almost everything on that platform. So before they can dial the Gate, the tank crew will need to get the tank at least down the stairs (unless they want to intentionally destroy the tank in order to keep the technology from falling into alien hands). And while it is not necessarily a problem in general to descend and ascend stairs with a Tank, I again doubt that there is any galaxy-wide standard regarding the maximum steepness and height of those stairs. In order to account for that possibility, the mechanized SG teams would carry even more ramps, sandbags or equivalent equipment. That means the main role of any SG team would be as pioneers, constructing at least 1 pair of portable single-track ramps directly in front of the Stargate, and possibly another ramp up the stairs, in case those are too long and/or steep for the tank. Considering that in the series we barely even see the SG teams set up static sandbag emplacements (which would take a similar amount of effort as the structures needed to get tanks through), I don't really think the SG Command would consider having more firepower on the other side that crucial. C: Some gates on other worlds are indoors. Sure, with MALP reconnaissance nobody would send a tank to those worlds, but it limits the viability of tanks to even less worlds. D: Once the Goa'Uld figure out that the SG teams sometimes use ground vehicles larger then a MALP, they would most likely be smart enough to retrofit the Stargates on all their worlds with structures that would stop a tank. Especially if they see how much the environment of the Stargates already needs to be retrofitted in order to make those armored vehicles fit. And as another detriment regarding the SG operations that wasn't in the video, I want to mention: E: Tanks are loud. And more often than not, SG command doesn't know if there are any Goa'Uld residing over the planet the SG teams are visiting. But if they are, the Jaffa usually occupy a position close to the Stargate. And you might not want to alert any Jaffa within half a mile of your arrival. And even if the planet would be friendly to the SG team, I'm sure that could change quite easily if the first thing you do is to scare the locals with a huge loud stinking metallic Behemoth. F: Earth was protected under the Protected Worlds Treaty between the Goa'Uld and the Asgard. Under that treaty, the Goa'Uld were prohibited from attacking Earth, but I think Earth was also prohibited from attacking any Goa'Uld world. And the Goa'Uld could easily have spun the Tau'ri bringing armored vehicles onto their planets as an open attack. In conclusion, any vehicle assigned to SG teams would need to fill these additional requirements, on top of the ones mentioned at 2:30 in the video: * At most 80% the width of an M1 Abrams, so that it can drive back through Stargates from the floor level on any planet, without worrying about being aligned perfectly. * Capable of driving up (and down) a long set of stairs with a slope of about 1 in 1.5. * Capable of driving (on flat ground and down such stairs) under electric propulsion (or some other silent means of propulsion) for at least 100m (in order to reach the tree line of the clearing that is usually located around the Stargate). * In turn, I think the "available to the US military from the late 90's onwards" requirement can be scrapped. SG command can always decide some time into their program that the threat from enemies on other worlds has become serious enough that it warrants the development of a new vehicle, or the retrofitting of an existing vehicle. After all, they developed the X-302 and X-303 for interstellar travel some time into the show.

@blackmage665

2 жыл бұрын

Who are you and why did you go to such lengths for a meme?

@iflyxwings

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackmage665 BOW BEFORE YOUR GOD, PYSTRO

@MisterPuck

2 жыл бұрын

While your point F would make logical sense for a treaty, that wasn’t the case in the show. While the Goa’uld were forbidden from attacking Earth, the reverse was not true, as clearly in the show, SG teams still fought with and even killed Goa’uld System Lords. In spite of that, the treaty held. They even ended up killing Chronos, one of the System Lords who had been present during the proceedings. Let’s face it, the treaty wasn’t a very good deal for the Goa’uld.

As a honourable member of the Imperium of Man, I suggest we use something akin to a baneblade or a chimera. A Leman Russ battle tank would provide excellent firepower and fit within the gate most perfectly and be a great way to start a beachhead while micro manufactorums can be transported through the gate and build more weapons and tanks.

@Sephiroth36977

2 жыл бұрын

At last, someone talking sense and not heresy!

@jamescustodio3094

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sephiroth36977 The Stargate universe needs to take some points from the Imperium, to end those filthy xenos

@Cavscout5096

2 жыл бұрын

Send the Death Korps of Krieg in first, or a Penal Legion.. Some Chimeras, Leman Russ Tanks, A Hellhound, and couple of Sentinels... And a Kraklance Cavalry... Just for first wave...

Or Jeeps, ATV's, UTV's, Helicopters with foldable wings, golf carts, motorcycles, anything that would be quicker than walking.

I think when the Tauri had the technology (like the Daedalus class cruisers) and could go to war with tanks, APCs, etc. they should have but couldn't due to the show's budget. But it still would have been cool to see SG1 commanding an armored platoon and kicking Systemlord ***. Maybe in a new series, that is if it ever gets made...