It makes me think Sauron believed no one would go up the stairs and through the tunnels with Her in there. He believed it was secure.

You don't mess with weird aliens, you just let them be...

I never liked the depiction of shelob and ungoliant as a huge spiders. They were spider like monsters, not just huge spiders. Some of the ungoliant artwork in this video is awesome in that regard! I thought shelob in the movie looked way 2 much like a spider, some more fantasy would have been appreciated for her looks.

@user-do2ev2hr7h

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, the text clearly describes her as having horns, a neck and claws. That's not 100% spider. Though as an arachnophobe I personally find "giant spider" creepier than "giant monster" so the film depiction works for me.

@origami83

5 күн бұрын

@@user-do2ev2hr7h Haha fair enough! I was expecting more creativity than just a big spider for the movies. Its CGI already so they could have gone nuts with it!

Ungoliant and Shelob were not Spiders. They just looked like spiders, they were evil spirits looking like spiders.

@reecebiscuits420

Ай бұрын

This right here 👌

@skillsmachine9164

Ай бұрын

Well if all they can do is act like a spider because of their bodys form they are still a spider. A balrog is a mair but it can only use flame, whips and a sword. Thats still its physical form.

@reecebiscuits420

Ай бұрын

@@skillsmachine9164 I don’t think you understand buddy

@skillsmachine9164

Ай бұрын

@reecebiscuits420 i understand perfectly bud its just people are trying to make it more complicated than it is. Ungoliant was a dark/fallen spirit in spider form but still had 8 legs and produced webs. Shelob was similar but on a smaller scale. Their abililies are that of spiders mainly so why bother calling them something else? Were they in spider form but actually unicorn spirits? That makes zero sense

@deeezey_2239

Ай бұрын

​@skillsmachine9164 tbf ungol mated with other spiders so while she may be a spirit as a spider Shelob is certainly a spider

Too answer the question, Shelob was a good guard against any spies that would be trying to find a secret way into Mordor.

How did ordinary spiders mate with them? Be like a minnow matting with a great white.

@charlesa3505

2 күн бұрын

U just need the sperm thats it

3:37 If Shelob was sterile, then how could she have offspring for the spiders of merlurk? You’re counterdictating yourself here.

@kenrichards1032

Ай бұрын

I mean humans can only reproduce for a fixed period of their lives before having children becomes impossible. Maybe she is passed her child bearing years by the time we meet her in LOTR?

@Pusfilth

23 күн бұрын

It’s a book you can make up anything

@dragerdet

22 күн бұрын

thats ai for you

@demonsmoke1788

20 күн бұрын

He wasn't talking about Shelob, he was talking about Ungoliant. And if you listen, he was talking about Ainur being sterile but he did also say "however", which means there was an exception, and that's when he mentioned Ungoliant was still able have children. So no... he did not contradict himself.

Tolkien seemed to be playing both ends of the power level with Shelob. On the one hand she was daughter of Ungoliant and immensely powerful, yet she was killed by a magic dagger. Now it was a really nice magic dagger, but it is hard to believe that the elves put all that much power even into their daggers, especially since Sam was not exactly massively powerful a wielder. And yes, he also had the fragment of the star of Elendil, but even so...

@19TheFallen

17 күн бұрын

I'd buy it that they did.....I mean, consider this: During the age in which blades like Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting were forged, the elves weren't just fighting mere orcs and trolls, they were in open war with, and fighting dragons, balrogs, Ungoliant, Morgoth and WHO *KNOWS* what other kind of eldritch creatures of great power and evil! There were times where even *they* could *barely* rise up to the challenge! Such a war would, and inevitably did, FORCE them to create weapons that could actually stand up to such conflicts or face unavoidable defeat.....

@nctpti2073

17 күн бұрын

@@19TheFallen But Shelob is played up as a similar order of creature and the weapon, in the hands of someone barely trained in combat (unlike Merri and Pippin, who both had guard/soldier backgrounds in the Shire, Sam was a gardiner), kills Shelob in essentially two thrusts? Wielding Glamdring, which is described as a full longsword (hand and a half sword), Gandalf, a far more powerful Maya, requires an epic fight taking out half a mountain to take out one Balrog. For a first age divine creature, herself, Shelob seems pretty darn weak.

@19TheFallen

17 күн бұрын

@@nctpti2073 I will agree that the notion that Sam defeating her is kind of odd, but, there is a truth: Shelob was a lesser descendent of a greater evil power. Not a pushover, mind you, seeing as she survived the ages. It's a running theme in Tolkien's works: As time goes by, the power of these beings dwindles through the generations. Saruman, for example, is to Sauron, what Sauron was to Morgoth. Shelob's offspring are, to her, what she likely was next to Ungoliant. And Smaug would look like a baby next to Glaurung, the so-called "father of the dragons". Weaker, lesser beings or sires in the cases of Shelob and Smaug, but still *very* dangerous. Especially to someone like a Hobbit. Which, to me, hints that there *had* to have been some divine intervention, like with the destruction of the Ring, during Sam's fight with her, that enabled him to hit the right place, which, coupled with Sting, and its ancient, magical properties, allowed for him to defeat her. As for the Balrog, it was one of the few, remaining Balrogs of the First Age that had gone into hiding, meaning that it had a greater power to it. Now, I know I said earlier that Shelob isn't a pushover, and in most circumstances *wouldn't* be, but next to the Balrog, she *is* a pushover that the Balrog would easily defeat, and, only one, such as Gandalf, could have ever hoped to defeat it. It truly was a foe that was beyond any of the rest of the Fellowship, or anyone else in Middle Earth, save for Galadriel, Glorfindel or (maybe) Elrond.

@michaelnewsham1412

15 күн бұрын

She wasn't killed, just wounded. And Sam didn't stab her - he just held the sword upright. It even says no power could have stabbed her except for her own strength driving down.

@nctpti2073

15 күн бұрын

@@michaelnewsham1412 But it still stabbed into her, without her weight crushing him. Shouldn't his body have given before her hide?

Tolkien wrote that Sauron called her his cat, "though she owned him not." I think that was a mistake. He probably meant to write "though he owned her not."

@charleslister8465

Ай бұрын

Or he was a cat lover and recognised the true nature of the relationship

@kevindrake4529

Ай бұрын

Clearly, he understood cats. Cats own their humans not the other way around.

@rybuds47

26 күн бұрын

Cats dont have owners they have staff 😄

@jeremymott

24 күн бұрын

Trust me Tolkien hated cats and referring them as "the fawna of Mordor"

@michaelnewsham1412

15 күн бұрын

Archaic meaning of 'owned'. It means 'acknowledge'. "She owned him not" means "She didn't recognize him as her master".

cause no one wants to go find a spider, they usually come and finds you

I'm curious as to why the balrogs seemed unaffected by Ungoliant's webs of darkness when even Valars such as Tulkas and Oromë were confounded by them.

@themanwithnoname1839

25 күн бұрын

Balrogs are just on another level, one of them fought gandalf to a standstill, so..... Theyre pretty fuckin strong lmfao rofl

@themanwithnoname1839

25 күн бұрын

Also their bodies are pretty much lava, kinda hard for webs to attach to fire lmfao

@babansif

22 күн бұрын

Valars are stronger than Gandalf.

@vael_

22 күн бұрын

​@@babansifguy you're responding to ends sentences with "lmfao rofl", IQ in the double digits for sure.

@MrRourk

19 күн бұрын

They are fire and thus cast light.

Idea I heard somewhere else: Shelob is a potential threat, sure, but all she wants to do is eat and spin her web She guards the pass, well uses it as her hunting ground, and Sauron can focus on bigger things It'd be a bloody conflict for him and he'd lose many an orc and even potentially make her angry enough to attack those are just my quick thoughts though

Shelob did have Children, the spiders of Mirkwood are her children

@dudethebagman

Ай бұрын

Addercot and Tomnoddy?

@TheTableOfDurin

Ай бұрын

@@dudethebagman haha 😄 maybe, they did respond to these names when Bilbo said them 😂

@samuelbankston2108

27 күн бұрын

That's what he said

I suppose it might be a useful insurance policy for Sauron, in the event that Morgoth ever escaped from beyond the Walls of Night as prophesied to eventually happen before the Dagor Dagorath. Melkor: Sauron! I have returned. You appear to have built a wonderful empire for me, while I was away. Sauron: Um... yes, sure, Master. I did it all for you, just so when you returned I could step aside and let you return to the throne. Melkor: Well, obviously. Though I don't think too much of all this 'organisation' and 'industry'. I mean, I like all the chaos and death you've caused in the process, but don't forget, we're supposed to be about destruction and hate and eternal chaos, not "order" and all that crap. Anyway, never mind, I can soon tear it all to pieces. Which way to my new throne room? Through this Black Gate? Sauron: Actually, the Black Gate's closed for maintenance this weekend, my Lord. You need to go past Minas Morgul and then up through the pass of Cirith Ungol.... Melkor: Ah, right, thanks for the tip, ok, just strolling over that way then, tra-la-la-la- oooooooooohhhh sh** it's a f***ing giant spider, you know I f***ing hate spiders after what happened with Ungoliant..... oh f***ing hell it's f***ing enormous I'm getting out of here.....! Sauron: Oh dear. What a terrible shame. I guess I'll just have to carry on ruling Middle-Earth, won't I? Manwe: Wait a minute- we were supposed to have this giant fight with him and destroy all life on Earth! Sauron: So... what you're saying is... I saved everyone from armageddon? I guess that makes me the good guy after all! In fact, that basically makes me the hero in the end. Galadriel: I still don't bloody fancy you, you nine-fingered perv! Sauron: Then I shall assume the guise of Bezossatar, Lord of Prime Gifts, and make a TV series in which you do.

@tuckerjohnson959

12 күн бұрын

This is amazing. 😂😂😂

Sting wasn't a hobbit sword. It was an Elvish sword in the possession of a hobbit.

@AlexavierMcConnor81

17 күн бұрын

Actually, Sting was an Elvish 𝘥𝘢𝘨𝘨𝘦𝘳 in the possession of a Hobbit. It's just that because of his stature, Sting made an excellent short-sword for Bilbo.

@Mal_Freeman0451

17 күн бұрын

@@AlexavierMcConnor81 That is true.

I always assumed that she survived Sam's attack. But the 4th age would not have been a happy place for Shelob. And as men cleaned out Mordor to make it habitable, no doubt they encountered Shelob, and then she would have been killed.

I flippin love your channel Dragon 🧙🧡🤍

She guarded the pass of Cirith Ungol.

Can one truly kill ancient evil? Probably not. I'm pretty sure Shelob is still alive, but injured. However, it is likely that after a long period of time and feasting, she'll likely recover from her wounds, but learn an important lesson and be more cautious and stealthier.

@atabreh

20 күн бұрын

what would she feast on tho if Mordor fell

@Flaris

15 күн бұрын

@@atabreh She didn't lose all her legs. If nothing passed through there anymore she may have simply found another dark part of the world to inhabit and other things to feed on.

@atabreh

15 күн бұрын

@@Flaris legit

@SuperPrestogamer

5 күн бұрын

@@Flaristhe problem with that is shed have to leave her lair, and doing so she’d draw attention with her huge size out in the open…not to mention the sun would be unbearably strong on her given she hates light and it would be worse with the darkness leaving Mordor…I imagine with frodo being the sol survivor to ever encounter her he’d have made people aware of the danger that was causing problems up near the pass of Minas morgul…so I imagine humans elves and dwarves would either draw a huge army to go and make sure she was killed themselves…or at the very least warn everyone to stay away from her…she wouldn’t get good meals ever again and die…my point is, she’s dying regardless…

The most interesting detail about her story to me rn is the fact that she could understand spoken languages, I wonder how she could communicate with Gollum

Hold on you said shelobs mother went off in some secret place then next shes ate herself

Just need to say ungoliant and shelob alike is a Evil sprit that took the form of a spider not sure what book it said

she was a useful Guard Dog that happened to not be his actual pet

She watched the path of Cirith Unghol and he thought he needed not take care of enemies entering Mordor via this route.

The ai voice kills this for me. Gotta put this channel on the "do not reccomend" list.

Why Didn't Sauron Interfere with Shelob? Well maybe she just not his kink

As we saw in the films shelob was bested by a hobbit of all things, sure Sauron probably didn't know but that kind of explains the power of Shelob. She wasn't magical or had any void powers like her mother, so chances are Sauron didn't really see her as anything other than a minor annoyance at worst. Sauron didn't really care about his troops, so sending troops under the pass with the understanding that some may be taken by a giant spider who in fact could be killed easily if she attacked an army head on really wouldn't phase him. Not to mention just the sheer amount of orcs he had at his disposal you can see just how little of a difference shelob actually makes.

Thanks for your video

*Good video* but a bit fast & lose with some facts: i.e. Nobody actually knows what Ungoliant was. Also, it was only rumored she devoured herself but once again, nobody knows what exactly happened to her. Also also Ungoliant didn’t attack Melkor in self defense because he was trying to “rid” himself of her. Lastly: Melian was a Maiar and she most definitely was not sterile. Like I said, good video but a few of the “facts” are not accurate with Tolkien’s Lore. (Can you re-edit the inaccuracies so this video is solid with Tolkien’s writing?) I really do enjoy your uploads. Cheers and thank you.

@DruzaCardonikc

Ай бұрын

This is a content farm channel. Its written by a script bot, voiced by a voice bot, and the images used were all ai generated.

@DruzaCardonikc

Ай бұрын

This is a content farm channel. Its written by a script bot, voiced by a voice bot, and the images used were all ai generated.

Good video

Because no one would be crazy enough going through the tunnels, neither would Frodo or Sam if they had known the danger that were lurking there. They went there because of the trap set up by Gollum, even he didn’t think the manage to get through alive. They only did because of the items given to them, some would call that plot armour, which there are oceans off in LOTR. In fact Gollum is the biggest plot armour because without Gollum they never would have found a way in or getting the ring destroyed Shelob an offspring of Ungoliant that were some sort of spirit of unknown origin the spider like body where her Fana, she is speculated to be everything from Ainur to a spirit from the dark void surrounding Arda it could even be a deliberate creation of Eru or the consequence of Melkor part of the song, putting her in the same unknown origin as the nameless things and the watcher in the water. It’s clear neither of these were beast corrupted by Melkor once he ascended down on Arda as they were there before the Valar and Maiar, just as is the case with Tom Bombadil. However Shelob was a creation of Ungoliant and those not a a spirit as such.

0:10 Wrong af.

@Mr.Feanor

Ай бұрын

It's correct actually 👍Melkor did try to run away from her with silmarils, and then attacked him...what is wrong there dude?🤷‍♂️

@mist3rmaniac

Ай бұрын

@@Mr.Feanor Listen to what he says. You answered your own question.

@Mr.Feanor

Ай бұрын

​@@mist3rmaniac Don't worry, I did...he said that,correctly, I think you need to listen it again, or whatever, think what you want🤦‍♂️👍

@mist3rmaniac

Ай бұрын

@@Mr.Feanor The video states that she learned Melkor intended to do away with her. But what actually happened was she demanded the Silmarils and he said no, then the fight started. What do you not get? I time stamped what to listen to that was wrong. Now I wrote it out and also what actually started the fight between them so you can see how they are two different reasons

@Mr.Feanor

Ай бұрын

@@mist3rmaniac No...he said that she saw that he wanted to get RID OF HER, to LEAVE with the silmarils, and that's when she attacked him, as he said in the video, so it's true, so he wasn't wrong buddy🤣🤦‍♂️

Wai wai wai wai wait... 3:34 "All Ainur are sterile"? For real? Have you heard about a certain Luthien, DAUGHTER of a certain Maia Melian? How did that came to be then?

@TheTableOfDurin

Ай бұрын

They could not reprocreate with other Ainur, but they can with other creatures. Like indeed Melian and Thingol or Ungoliant and the lesser spider creatures

@middleearthtales

Ай бұрын

It's absolutely true. Melian is the only exception. Actually, I thought of saying it briefly, but I didn't want to confuse those who don't know by adding this phenomenon, which only appears in one person, to the video. After all, none of them except Melian can have children.

@DraconimLt

Ай бұрын

@@middleearthtales did any of the others even try?

@derekmiller6091

25 күн бұрын

@@middleearthtalesThat’s just not true. Just because there’s no ‘record’ of it doesn’t make it untrue. The dragons were ainur, and they bred.

@Crafty_Spirit

13 күн бұрын

​@@derekmiller6091 Tolkien clearly stated that Melian was an outstanding case, an exception. See Morgoth's Ring. Dragons do not display any features that are specific for Ainur.

How do these spiders breed?

Shelob ...😀❤️

Ungoliant was a very Lovecraftian type of creature. She also reminds me of one of those creatures from Stephen King's "The Mist".

@Crafty_Spirit

13 күн бұрын

How about we don't give credit to Lovecraft for concepts he did not invent 😏

Awesome vid! 🙌🏾

Because he wasn’t fucking stupid.

I like shadow of mordors take on shelob

I think Sauron couldn’t control Shelob or Ungoliant just like he couldn’t control the balrog. It was more trouble than it was worth and I don’t think Sauron wanted that smoke. Perhaps the spiders also served a purpose in their present capacity. This is my opinion.

UNGOLIANT was hot.

Shelob was the Daughter of Ungoliant, an angelic spirit powerful enough to almost Kill Melkor/Morgoth. Best leave it alone…

I guess Sauron wasn't a butt man so he swiped left on Shelob.

Sauron may may referred to Shelob as his "cat".. due to a fruitless and impossible arrogant desire for control. His only acknowledgement of the limits of his power was that he would never to be a suitable companion for a cat and that a cat would never abide in his presence.. 😉

The text explicitly states that Sauron knew she was there and found her useful. Sauron as a Maiar likely appreciated Shelob, daughter of another Maiar, Ungoliant, to be a strong bulwark against invasion.

@christianstout6390

Ай бұрын

Ungoliant is not said to be a Maiar nor is referenced as one. She is not of Iru and thus not the same being or lineage of beings that are the Maiar and Valar.

@DeshCanter

Ай бұрын

@@christianstout6390 All beings are of Eru, and all were created good. Elrond mentions this dynamic in the Lord of the Rings. The Valar are explicitly named, and she is not named among them. The text is likewise explicit in saying, “She descended from the darkness” that lies about Arda, when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwe and that in the beginning she was one of those he corrupted to his service. (Silmarillion, Chapter 8: The Darkening of Valinor) Thus, logically and consistent with the Ainulindale, she must be a Maia for the only orders of being revealed are Iluvatar Himself and the Ainur. Since she is not named as one of the Valar, that leaves only the Maiar. The same must be said of Tom Bombadil.

@christianstout6390

Ай бұрын

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@derekmiller6091

25 күн бұрын

Nope, Ungoliant came from the darkness itself and was not corrupted by Melkor. Some theories suggest that TB is an avatar of Eru himself. Gandalf would recognise him as a fellow Maia.

@DeshCanter

25 күн бұрын

@@derekmiller6091 There are no other orders of being mentioned other than Valar and Maiar to which Shelob could belong. See the reference I provided. And Gandalf explicitly mentioned that he would go hang out with Bombadil toward the end of the Lord of the Rings, which is very consistent with my internally consistent logic.

There is another theory which is seldom discussed. Remember that Ungoliant got bigger the more she ate. She became massive upon devouring the light of the two trees. When the Balrogs drove her off as a group, she went about her existence as before, but never again would she find such rich food. Slowly but surely she would grow smaller and smaller, returning to her original size. Do you see where I'm going with this? It would fit with the imagery the fancy words that stated far in the East she ate herself. Where Shelob made her abode, is in the East, at least as far as those of the West are concerned. It is far in the East from where Ungoliant made her abode after fleeing the Balrogs. For all intents and purposes Shelob has all the powers of Ungoliant. I'm not sure why this video infers that she doesn't. Nothing of Ungoliant's original abilities are missing in the lair of Shelob. Tolkien often changed his mind and went back to ideas again and again. I submit that Shelob and Ungoliant are the same spiritual entity, that she imbued herself into the body of one of her offspring as her previous, shrinking (and wounded by Balrog weapons) body eventually failed. Ungoliant/Shelob is the same, immortal creature.

@anthonyross8014

7 күн бұрын

she can’t cast the unlight which is one of ungoliants staples for moving around.Shelob was just stealthy even before devouring the nectar of the two trees ungoliant could weave unlight around what she choose.

@johnfelger9134

6 күн бұрын

@@anthonyross8014 We don't know that she can't cast the unlight because in the Lord of the Rings we see her only in her caves. She has no need to cast it there. Her cave itself is described as a darkness in places that wasn't normal darkness. I'll get you the exact passage when I'm not at work. :)

but Melkor afraid Ungoliant because she already ate the Tree of Valinor,right?

Sexy Shelob is Canon

It would make sense that Shelob would be a threat to Sauron just like her mother was to Morgoth

@logansfury

Ай бұрын

That sounds logical. If Shelob was less powerful than Ungoliant, Sauron was also less powerful than Melkor/Morgoth and may have been as vulnerable to Shelob as Melkor was to Ungoliant. Sauron lacking a large force of Balrogs like his master commanded, would most likely call upon the Ringwraiths to assist him if Shelob was ever overcoming him in a direct confrontation.

@kingslum5456

Ай бұрын

Shelob lost to a hobbit bro

@origami83

Ай бұрын

No it wouldnt. While Melkor spend much of his power in shaping the world and his servants, Sauron kept most of his power for himself. Melkor kept getting weaker while Sauron grew stronger. In the end Sauron would be more powerful than Melkor i bet.

@villekuronen6242

Ай бұрын

@@origami83 not to forget how much power Ungoliant had when she attacked Morgoth after eating light from those 2 tree's

@oguzhanenescetin5702

Ай бұрын

Sauron would have no personal reason to fear her at all. Sauron is leagues above her. Tolkien mentions that the reason why Shelob didnt serve Sauron was because Sauron was Melkors servant whom Shelob hated due to the treachery between Melkor and her mother

This is making me think of that terrible game "the war of Mardor" which shelob was in that as a woman and was turned by sauron! for ages i thought that was cannon but it's not!

It almost sounds like Sauron almost felt some amount of affection to Shelob. His boss and her mom go way back after all.

@GreatGreebo

Ай бұрын

Have you ever actually read Tolkien’s writings? Ungoliant tried to kill Melkor. Also, Shelob is seen as useful by Sauron. There is no affection for the offspring of a creature who attempted to merk his former boss.

@BIGESTblade

Ай бұрын

@@GreatGreebo Sauron has no affection for anyone period. But there are things that he doesn't like, and therefore things that he likes. He definitely likes Shelob more than elves, so he leaves her alone and sends her some food once in a while. That's definitely way more than orcs get.

@neil999ish

20 күн бұрын

​@@BIGESTbladeYes, he occasionally sent prisoner's to her and didn't 'begrudge her an orc or two, as he had those in plenty'. I think the book had a line similar to that.(Has been a while since I read it).

The text of the book answers this question. Read the book!

I heard that elves are only vegetarian in lotr, is that true? Can we get a video on the diet of each race? Thanks and keep it up!!

@derekmiller6091

25 күн бұрын

Then why do elves love hunting? They’re not killing animals for jollies!

Genuinely i dont think sauron at full power would fuck with Shelob, sauron is strong, but everyone feels fear, and a big damn spider like that makes EVERYONE fuckin scared lmfao

@younglove3362

15 күн бұрын

Not sauron. He'd smack her with his baton sending her flying. She lost to Sam. She'd definitely lose to Sauron.

@CE77777

10 күн бұрын

Shelob is not anything close to her mother he’d deal with her pretty easily

@anthonyross8014

7 күн бұрын

Shelob can’t cast unlight or anything like that so i think she is immensely weaker than ungoliant.

What do you mean Interfere??

Thought this would be a good listen till I heard the AI voice.

Why does alwmost every youtube video has someone who sounds like those AI voices -.-* annoying

You're not a dragon bro

He needs the web of the arachnid in order to snare Memnoch, lord of the flies (this is shit)

Wtf is this AI?

There’s no way she was there when Minas Ithil was there. Anarion and his descendants would have been aware and dealt with her.

Cuz ew… 🤢

gh 😊 Y Cy y

AI voice is easy to spot. Common names are mispronounced despite being said correctly by many people many times. LAZY!!!!!