"Proxy war between Cuba and South Africa" Never imagened I'd hear those words

@ZayanK

3 жыл бұрын

Not even proxy. They actually engaged each other in the battlefield.

@TheFlameBladeWielder

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, not proxy cause they did actually fight, Cuba fought to dismantle apartheid for decades

@Esther_Herbst

3 жыл бұрын

That's why this channel exists.

@pixel6698

3 жыл бұрын

Bootleg USA vs USSR.

@louvendran7273

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFlameBladeWielder Cuba won. Brought freedom to us and is now swept under the carpet.

When you're an ex-Spanish colony fighting in an ex-Portuguese colony against an ex-British colony that was an ex-Dutch colony trying to keep an hold on another colony.

@roadhouse6999

3 жыл бұрын

...And you're not helping other ex-Spanish colonies because you're afraid of intervention by an ex-British Colony that almost made you a colony 60 years early.

@command_unit7792

3 жыл бұрын

Colony Ception

@Sceptonic

3 жыл бұрын

@@roadhouse6999 ...And you became an ex-Spanish colony of an ex-British colony after the ex-British colony beat up your ex-Spanish and owned you for a bit before you, the ex-Spanish colony, got independence from the ex-British colony that helped you against your ex-Spanish.

@the_washingmachine1295

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, it's all coming together...

@theemirofjaffa2266

3 жыл бұрын

"The War of the Colonies"

This sounds exactly like something that happens in non-historical Hoi4 games...

@robertrichard6107

2 жыл бұрын

That's where Portugal brought out the first slaves in 1450's. Cuban Africans probably didn't mind that.

@imlivingunderyourbed7845

2 жыл бұрын

Wait until you hear about Aztecs and Ottomans going to war on the Philippine archipelago like a non-historical EU4.

@gabrielvicuna9734

2 жыл бұрын

Or TNO

@bruh5992

2 жыл бұрын

@@imlivingunderyourbed7845 the most ambitious crossover + it was against Japanese Pirates (i think)

@redbasher636

Жыл бұрын

@@bruh5992 Wait what

Fun fact: there were three warring factions in the Angolan Civil War: the MPLA (who were Marxists in ideology), the UNITA who were right-winged in ideology, and the FNLA who were reactionaries that wanted to restore the ancient pre-colonial Kongo empire. Along with clear ideological differences and the quest for power, the civil war was also a war against ethnic groups that didn’t really like each other.

@iliasszennati173

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly jonas's dream didnt happen

@susactivities_

2 жыл бұрын

UNITA was based

@himothy17

2 жыл бұрын

Death to the MPLA!

@SkyeAten

2 жыл бұрын

Somehow people seem to always overlook that point lol

@TheSchultinator

2 жыл бұрын

It seems like every war in Africa turns into an excuse for ethnic clashing, which is a result of all the colonialism

USSR: (crying) *they* *grow* *up* *so* *fast, his* *first* *intervention* !

@furiouscobra4115

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@Tannyboydegen

3 жыл бұрын

Very fast

@vipermad358

3 жыл бұрын

The USSR had nothing to do with the Cuban Revolution.

@Dragonite_Tom

3 жыл бұрын

So fast that Angola dropped out of Communism 😳

@darkhope97

3 жыл бұрын

@@vipermad358 let me put it this way without a powerful communist state like the soviet union Cuba would have really struggled pass the revolution itselft

"The Angolan Civil war was now becoming a proxy war between Cuba and South Africa" I would never thought I would hear a sentence like that.

@jontheb123

3 жыл бұрын

Because it's actually not true - it was the final battlefield of the cold war. It was a regular US v Russia proxy with the Russians backing the Cubans and the US backing South Africa.

@hermes112

3 жыл бұрын

hmm interesting

@boeloevanboeloefontein

3 жыл бұрын

@@jontheb123 Regarding your point about the RSA being a USA proxy, that's not entirely true. The US did not support Apartheid (officially at least; though President Reagan and many Republican Southerners generally did to varying extents for their own various reasons), so American "involvement" was purely media-related. Also there were a few Russian troops in Angola, so it wasn't exclusively *proxy*. Another reason the US didn't provide aid, they didn't want to piss off the Russians any more than they already had.

@boeloevanboeloefontein

3 жыл бұрын

@James Rogers Ah. Cheers.

@hermes112

3 жыл бұрын

@@incurve6839 really? Lol

My father was actually there, in Angola, at that time (he was a captain of a little fishing vessel 18 years) and he says that the Cubans were rather friendly with him in Luanda. Interestingly, he claims that the ones he met were in another fishing vessel but when he got invited to their ship it was full with aks and grenades.

@raulrod95

Жыл бұрын

My dad was actually there in Angola, (he’s Cuban)he told me that they had to smuggle weapons and camping gear on fishing ships to be undetected. He also said that people in Luanda were friendly but when he was sent south and deep inland people were a lot less keen on them. Small world isn’t it?

@asiesjefa1758

Жыл бұрын

@@raulrod95 quizás incluso se conocieran jajaj mi padre (español) contaba que una vez un cubano colega suyo le preguntó que si sabía cómo pescaban los cubanos y tras eso tiro una granada al agua y al explotar salieron los peces a flote. Si le puedes preguntar si de casualidad conoció a algún patrón de pesca español de Lepe (O Huelva) sería genial 🙏

@lightravenn

Жыл бұрын

Cuban military only knew how to fight guerillas

@FG-bu3jp

Жыл бұрын

Cubans are really friendly, surprised they invaded angola you expect that from europeans

@guleiro

Жыл бұрын

​@@raulrod95 Cubans were considered brothers by most angolans. I lived those times growing up in a city from the south of Angola called Huambo. I remember going to visit a cuban unit on a school trip in 1987. We spent the day learning how to play baseball and learning how the unit was managed. Every region controlled by the MPLA (the government) Cubans where more than welcome. It was normal to see cuban militarily personal in the city doing their daily routines. Many also had left kids there. In regions controlled by UNITA, things were in fact different.

The nicest and most caring man I have ever known in Cuba, name's José, fought at Angola, he used to tell us stories of the struggles the army faced in the Angolan jungles, I don't remember many of them besides that several times they had to keep an eye on the water supply in case a Lizard species contaminated it by simply having contact with it and the nights without sleep due to the alarming sounds of gunfire in the dark depths of the jungle

@rbvfeehfbudenrj

2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@tiffanyizata3717

2 жыл бұрын

Cool, do you have more stories??

@seronymus

Жыл бұрын

I would have been so scared...

@captainpiggz6391

Жыл бұрын

Did you also ask him if he participated in the massacres?

@Gab-jo6jg

Жыл бұрын

​@@captainpiggz6391 the massacre was Made by the south african racist

Only in the Cold War can you more or less hear "Cuba and South Africa had a war in Angola" and still not be surprised.

@basedgamer6607

3 жыл бұрын

DEATH TO THE MPLA

@springbok4015

3 жыл бұрын

All kinds of weird things were triggered by the Cold War. Other than the world wars, arguably the most wide-spread with lots of proxy wars among other things.

@jacksquat1265

3 жыл бұрын

"Ooooh yeah... that makes total sense"

@nooneinparticular9837

3 жыл бұрын

I'm still a little surprised tbh. Fighting a war an ocean away is probably pretty hard for a small country like cuba, i'd imagine.

@kingmonde

3 жыл бұрын

As a South African, I was surprised, lol. Did not expect a mention.

Cuba: "We did it, our comrades rule Angola now!" Angola a year later: "Look...it's not you, it's me..."

@CBJay-hw3jk

3 жыл бұрын

Wow that war was worth it!

@ImtheHitcher

3 жыл бұрын

The PR alone was probably worth it for the regime since Cuba is under US embargo they rely on good relations with 'non aligned' countries to get by.

@ln7929

3 жыл бұрын

@@ImtheHitcher that embargo was lifted by Obama

@doni6324

3 жыл бұрын

@@ln7929 Obama wasn’t president 50 years ago, so mentioning him is useless.

@ImtheHitcher

3 жыл бұрын

@@ln7929 1. no, it wasn't 2. Trump rolled back every Obama era reform 3. we're talking about a long time ago here

this is cool to watch, as an Angolan living in the diaspora it's pretty interesting seeing part of our history (albeit a violent part of the history) being shared with the global community.

@cannibalbunnygirl

2 жыл бұрын

I've just started getting into history after a passing comment from my south african uncle, I must've listened to him talk about it for 2 hours and I STILL have no idea what happened.

@KexiGina

2 жыл бұрын

@@cannibalbunnygirl a couple years ago, my dad had a business meeting with a South African, former soldier from the war, and they had long talk about those days. It was interesting seeing two people from opposing sides sharing those memories. Obviously at the end they both had disclaimers that they were just doing what they were simply following orders.

@cannibalbunnygirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@KexiGina pretty much what my uncle said, he didn't want to join the SADF but there was little to no choice. He got conscripted at 16. The damage done to men on both sides is unfathomable

@drumboarder1

2 жыл бұрын

@@cannibalbunnygirl that's one hell of a passing comment

@cannibalbunnygirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@drumboarder1 lol, he made a comment and it turned into a 2hr conversation. Should've made that clear 😂

My grandfather was a Cuban there he "volunteered" in what i believe was the "gloria regiment" in the 70s, he left behind a young wife and a daughter (my mother) in the army he was known as "el Gallego" because his family was from Spain he trained for a few months as an machine gunner, then he and his comrades boarded a leased soviet oil tanker which took him to Angola, along the way they were harrased by US naval aircraft they had to run to the hot holds until the aircraft would leave he sent many letters describing how empty the cities felt, with abandoned cars and looting, the constant patrols and freezing nights believe it or not and how many (not all locals) where "submissive" to the Portuguese and were expecting their return he saw an MPLA soldier throw a mortar round to knock down a fruit from a tree which detonated, killing a bunch of men, the blood was a terrible sight later in a patrol over a bridge his unit was ambushed where he jumped down and laid suppressive fire which routed the UNITA, most of them dropped their own guns as they fled he never answered if he had killed anybody he returned completely healthy and fine to his family, today is his birthday 81 years old i have always been proud of him which is very good considering all the wounded cubans that came back, missing arms and sometimes blind some people came back intact but not in mind Important to know angola and cuba has today very good relations, and they trade alot with each other, angola even operates oil drills in the gulf of mexico with cuban assistance cuba also sells them some armored vehicles

@unsrescyldas9745

Жыл бұрын

"he saw an MPLA soldier throw a mortar round to knock down a fruit from a tree which detonated, killing a bunch of men, the blood was a terrible sight" how, why, what

@levie9714

Жыл бұрын

​@@unsrescyldas9745 My grandpa arrived on the scene immediately after the explosion, a witness in the scene told him the victim picked up an unexploded bomb, and carelessly threw it, supposedly to get a fruit from a tree. I do not know any details of how it actually happened

@DavidJDM

Жыл бұрын

Como se llama tu abuelo? Apellido

@victormanuelfonsecasanchez9610

Жыл бұрын

@@unsrescyldas9745 totally true what he says. I worked in the archives of the Institute for the History of Cuba when I was studying my first degree (History) and one day I had to help a colleague with the documentary collection of the fallen in the war in Angola and the number of stupid accidents that occurred in that war is awesome. Here are two other examples: one day a soldier playing with his weapon killed a comrade. And another time a soldier went to bathe in a river and never appeared. This was told to me by my dad who was in the Ethiopian war: one of his companions taking a bath with a large aluminum can, the can fell and he injured himself between the toes of one foot, this was when they were stationed in the desert. Since there was no doctor and only the company toilet, the wound got worse and worse until he died of gangrene.

@tetraxis3011

Жыл бұрын

What kind of idiot throws a MORTAR round to get a fruit?

South Africa clearly didn't have the financial assistance of James Bisonette

@yesimant

3 жыл бұрын

Bro no $hit

@lprcn2532

3 жыл бұрын

james bissonnete meme begins

@guilhermefaleiros4892

3 жыл бұрын

Thats because he is communist, as every inteligent person in the world

@lars9925

3 жыл бұрын

@@guilhermefaleiros4892 Intelligent people want starving and economic mismanagement? I don't think so.

@RackHasAttacked

3 жыл бұрын

@@guilhermefaleiros4892funny joke😂

in case you're wondering: yes the meme from BO2 of "WE MUST FIGHT THE MPLA" was from the Angolan Civil War, the person saying it being Jonas Savimbi, leading UNITA.

@mrcocoloco7200

3 жыл бұрын

Got it. Thanks.

@D00MMAST3R

3 жыл бұрын

"DEATH TO THE MPLA!"

@killerman19880385

3 жыл бұрын

FIGHT MY BRUTHAS

@bruh_moment3254

3 жыл бұрын

THEY ARE WEAK, WE MUST FINISH THEM

@sirkevinvonlp

3 жыл бұрын

*OUR JOURNEY TO VICTORY HAS BEGUN!*

Wen ur cuban fightin in africa against a man who speaks dutch and his country is ruled by english and the people your protecting speak portuguese

@deisk2707

3 жыл бұрын

aaaaahhhh, MR WORLDWIDE!

@gareth6525

3 жыл бұрын

Actually South Africans don't speak Dutch and the Country was being ruled by an Afrikaans political party not an English political party*

@deisk2707

3 жыл бұрын

@@gareth6525 Double "aaaaahhhh, MR WORLDWIDE!"

@danielstruwig3078

3 жыл бұрын

Afrikaans*

@karnickel-s33d16

3 жыл бұрын

They spoke Afrikaans, which is kind of like Dutch

In the 80s Cuba was considered a middle power and an influential country in Latin America by boosting a well trained and equiped military. All of this was of course financed by soviet loans and the purchase of cuban sugar by the USSR.

@_audacity2722

Жыл бұрын

That's cool. The USA wants to use military force to bully the world, and the USSR is willing to buy sugar and make loans. Gee, I wonder who the bad guys are

"But matters were complicated" A very common phrase when describing human history.

@electricvancompany3847

3 жыл бұрын

And particularly the cold war

@dusk6159

2 жыл бұрын

Especially post independence Africa

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

2 жыл бұрын

But it doesn’t play well with prime-time TV news.

portugese colonizers: left weapon shipments: received foreign military "advisers": invited Yep, it's civil war time.

@vinzcastro9304

3 жыл бұрын

how do you not have more likes?

@felipedaiber2991

3 жыл бұрын

a military adviser is what it sounds, a general that helps a military group that lacks its own military officers with knowledge in strategy

@whoeveneatsbreakfast

3 жыл бұрын

hotel: trivago

@walsh9080

3 жыл бұрын

@@whoeveneatsbreakfast More like Hotel: Rwanda lol.

@killrproductions7411

3 жыл бұрын

Hotel: trivago

One thing that's interesting about this conflict, is that it became so muddled that at one point there were Cuban soldiers defending MPLA oil rigs exporting oil to the U.S. from American backed UNITA soldiers who were trying to capture the 'american' oil rigs.

@TubeDisabuser

Жыл бұрын

Not that surprising. Consider that the United States is currently militarily occupying a chunk of Syria rich in oil and agriculture, both to steal the oil and prevent the Syrian government from rebuilding its war-devastated country.

@alanpennie

11 ай бұрын

USA got into a right muddle about this war.

For those wondering, MPLA stands for Movimento Popular de Liberação Angolana (Portuguese for Popular Movement for Angolan Liberation). No idea what UNITA stands for though.

@gerritkruger4014

3 жыл бұрын

National Union For The Total Independence Of Angola

@gerritkruger4014

3 жыл бұрын

Basically an alliance of anti communist groups

@zap3231

3 жыл бұрын

@@gerritkruger4014 So União Nacional para a Independência Total da Angola? (If you can't tell, I'm Portuguese)

@gerritkruger4014

3 жыл бұрын

@@zap3231 😂no thanks for that

@riograndedosulball248

3 жыл бұрын

It stands for U - Morte ao N - M I - P T - L A - A

Teacher: today we will be learning about Cuba in angola me: *Visible Confusion*

@SP-rt4ig

3 жыл бұрын

Black Ops II players: my time has come

@nowhereman6019

3 жыл бұрын

"What's an Angola?"

@SirFaceFone

3 жыл бұрын

More surprising part are schools teaching about this.

When your so early there's no "Death to the MPLA" memes

@lucianogardelli10

3 жыл бұрын

Jaim Rajin ..... I see ur a man of culture . But stop watching brother we must fight the MPLA 🎵🎶Du na na na naaaaaa na ne na na🎵🎶

@rayh6118

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucianogardelli10 our journey to victory has began DEATH TO THE MPLA

@MasterQ18

3 жыл бұрын

@@rayh6118 NO

@FalkyRocket2222

2 жыл бұрын

yeah im late af and only found 2

@waffle6376

2 жыл бұрын

DEATH TO THE MPLA

South Africa: We got this bois Also South Africa: *Why do I hear Guantanamera?*

@HBC101TVStudios

3 жыл бұрын

You're everywhere

@G3700L

3 жыл бұрын

@@HBC101TVStudios I swear to God I see him everywhere. He's got some good taste in KZread videos.

@ericgol7

3 жыл бұрын

@@G3700L The algorhythm is congregating us

@SeymoreTheDisappointed

2 жыл бұрын

30000

You've got to love the massive short circuit in global politics needed to make Cuba and South Africa fight an undeclared war against each other.

"DEATH TO THE MPLA" Some black dude in black ops 2

@Nietabs

3 жыл бұрын

He's a real general, who fought angolan civil war

@insectslayer1374

3 жыл бұрын

What are you doing here brothers? *WE MUST FIGHT THE MPLA*

@nostalgiagames1800

3 жыл бұрын

Rick Ross

@calumbasilva868

3 жыл бұрын

MPLA NEEDS TO GET REMOVED

@jeune_turc9404

3 жыл бұрын

@Alice Von Hindenburg MPLA still stands strong against Portuguese Colonialists and CIA backed puppets 🇦🇴 🇦🇴 🇦🇴 🇦🇴

so the first mission of black ops 2 is kinda accurate, i always thought it was all nonsense with the cuban military in africa but apparently its based on real history

@zddxddyddw

3 жыл бұрын

Cuba intevened in many foreign wars. It also helped Ethiopia during the Ogaden War, and fought Israel in the Yom Kippur War, to name a few. That tiny island made a big name for itself in the last half of the 20th century regarding warfare.

@kiandocherty3589

3 жыл бұрын

@@zddxddyddw God bless those humanitarian crazy bastards.

@looinrims

3 жыл бұрын

You could’ve...googled it It’s how I got into history I played historical games and was like ‘did that happen Though?’ And looked it up

@kiandocherty3589

3 жыл бұрын

@Wyatt Earp Look up Cuba`s doctor program and tell me they aren`t humanitarian.

@halowerder3356

3 жыл бұрын

@@kiandocherty3589 that's like saying "look up hitlers first steps in politics" to prove he was a socialist (he was not)

*"HERE THEY COME, HERE THEY COME MY BROTHERS! FIGHT MY BROTHERS!!"* *"OUR JOURNEY TO VICTORY HAS BEGUN, DEATH TO THE MPLA"*

@joemama-mk4zz

3 жыл бұрын

I have some sad news my brothers the MPLA has won

@DoctorDeath147

3 жыл бұрын

@@joemama-mk4zz and they still rule Angola today

@SiPakRubah

2 жыл бұрын

@@joemama-mk4zz And Jonas Savimbi died few months before the war ended if I'm not mistaken

@meruthesuccubus3416

2 жыл бұрын

@@SiPakRubah well shit welp MISSION FAILED WILL GET EM NEXT TIME

The only thing missing in the video was the huge support the USSR gave in logistics and armaments, in addition to yearly monetary support, to Cuba to aid it in its intervention in Angola. The Cubans spilled their blood for their cause there, and the Soviets were the ones mostly paying for it. I remember Cubans in Angola constantly being referred to as surrogate troops, in the US press and other publications throughout the 1980's. With this aside, great video!

@justarandompersonininterne6583

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Moer yeah and south africans returned home with nothing except losing.

@lcg3092

2 жыл бұрын

And the US support for FNLA, and then UNITA and South Africa. It's obvious that the 2 cold war super powers would not be blind to what was going on in Angola, even if it was not a top priority...

@_audacity2722

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, scumbag US media always sees other countries being helped by another world power and say it's evil

@davideastman979

Жыл бұрын

@@lcg3092Yeah I’m sure KGB and CIA had advisors out there. No proof that they did though. However that is probably more likely than not.

@BG-it7hb

Жыл бұрын

​@@davideastman979 there is actually proof. An Ex-CIA agent wrote a book. It's called "in search of an enemy". Both powers where active. There actually where Romanian, East German and Soviet troops on the ground. As well as mercenaries from South Africa and Europe with US support

"STOP WATCHING THIS, BROTHER... WE MUST FIGHT THE MPLA!"

@hashemalrafayia2563

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@adankmeme651

3 жыл бұрын

Sad that they lost, Only if the real-life Savimbi said that, they would've won!

@quebecorsumn5012

3 жыл бұрын

YES!

@MasterQ18

3 жыл бұрын

You guys are crazy

@oldworldblu3s305

3 жыл бұрын

@@artemiosmoraitakis9837FAL go’s Trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

"The first question is 'Why Angola?'" 0:20 I see what you did there.

@NoNo-hv2rb

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t get it

@divinejudgement8502

3 жыл бұрын

He says "well" and briefly shows a picture of a well

@johnfraire6931

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that joke was well done

@mrdmasiv2452

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnfraire6931 ba dum tss

@TerranRepublic0200

3 жыл бұрын

Because spainish and Portuguese are rivals i guess and their kids ......

Tools for fighting an african civil war: -machete -ak47 dual mag w/ grenade launcher -child soldiers to man those weapons

@pj.sinclair

2 жыл бұрын

they do have a smaller hit box though, so it’s a good idea

@MSRLR

2 жыл бұрын

No african civil war would be complete without a toyota pick up truck w/ a 50 cal.

@shetos1233

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget a free for all you can't have only two sides fighting a clear war gotta be atleast 5 militias

@MSRLR

2 жыл бұрын

@@shetos1233 5 militias, soviet, us, pakastani, chinese and british all backing opposing sides

@MSRLR

2 жыл бұрын

Dont forget the UN brokered cease fire that gets violated 100 times a day.

Thanks for this episode!

Can we give a salute to people like Spinning three plates and David Silverman? They've been supporting this channel forever and ever

@jamesbissonette4438

3 жыл бұрын

?

@oscarredfearn3492

3 жыл бұрын

How dare you forget Mr Bissonnette

@RafitoOoO

3 жыл бұрын

Also Kelly Moneymaker

@vincent5880

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbissonette4438 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@craniumtea5137

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbissonette4438 he is the Messiah /s

This entire thing sounds so off, it's like it's straight from hoi4.

@SlythinSern

3 жыл бұрын

Cod black ops 2 beginning campaign

@MajorMlgNoob

3 жыл бұрын

When is Paradox making their Cold War game?

@HugostarGames

3 жыл бұрын

@@MajorMlgNoob *Poland first nation on the moon event popup* THEY DID WAT?!

@Fyrdman

3 жыл бұрын

@@MajorMlgNoob It got canned years ago

@SpencerLemay

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fyrdman What a load of crap. Could easily make it possible to transfer saves from Hoi4->cold war game->Stellaris

makes me so happy to see history channel get millions of views

Loving this one thanks for sharing very information blessed love to all knowledge is power hopefully everyone pays attention keep up the good work 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲

My dad was gonna be sent off to Angola when he was in the Cuban Militias a s Truck driver but he was so short he was allowed a pardon to not serve cause he could barely drive

@caras2004

3 жыл бұрын

Is it okay to laugh? I'm 6'6"

@class.C

3 жыл бұрын

That's fucking hilarious too bad his son became a weeb, where do you live now tho, US?

@RyoKasai25

3 жыл бұрын

Being a manlet saved his life, how funny and curious.

@Brakiros

3 жыл бұрын

@@RyoKasai25 well when you're like old man peanut from the simpsons and you can barely touch the pedals it's not conducive to military service

@2prize

3 жыл бұрын

MANLETS RISE UP

"Why did Cuba invade Angola?" Cuba invaded Angola?

@MC-Phillips

3 жыл бұрын

Cuba trying act to be like his big papa USSR.

@user-il3ql5ps2c

3 жыл бұрын

Обычная катка в HOI4

@trisblackshaw1640

3 жыл бұрын

Why *wouldn't* they invade Angola?

@thunderbird1921

3 жыл бұрын

North Korea is now working in Africa. They've partnered with the Democratic Republic of the Congo numerous times in recent years.

@s_369

3 жыл бұрын

You should play black ops 2

Interesting to hear about other battles fought by other countries in the 20th century, that wasn’t WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War, or Somalia. If it weren’t for HM, I probably wouldn’t ever know that other modern countries fight and go to war as well. Sure I could google it, but I wouldn’t know where to start. This channel makes it informative and entertaining at the same time. Thanks HM

The well joke is one of the best running gags on this channel

0:33 “DEATH TO THE MPLA!!!!!” -that one guy from black ops 2

@basedgamer6607

3 жыл бұрын

bruh you made the joke first

@zackscout6365

3 жыл бұрын

Was about to say that

@davidramsvik

3 жыл бұрын

His name is Jovas Zavimbi

@liquidocelot5976

3 жыл бұрын

“FIGHT, MY BRODAAAS!!!”

@shadysam7161

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidramsvik not only that; but he's the god damn leader!

“Why did Cuba invade Angola?” Me: what?

@cgmason7568

3 жыл бұрын

Black ops 2

@princesstinklepanties2720

3 жыл бұрын

Cuba had money to try breeding cat sized cows and invade angola, but the cars were from the 60's. *communism*

@dottore3870

3 жыл бұрын

@@princesstinklepanties2720 Actually it was all the way around. Cuba went on mercenary missions to other third world countries. It was a way to funnel money to the country. It was called Internationalists service. There were military branches but also civilian particularly health and infrastructure (roads, water plants etc). Not great quality but it was a way to make money and advance in the system.

@tacodias

3 жыл бұрын

As a portuguese this was the first time I’ve heard of Cuban and ZA in the Angolan civil war as well.... mind blown

@isu3302

3 жыл бұрын

I knew about it since my dad was almost drafted into the war so when veterans came back they talked about it and on how Cuba was the first to set foot after the Portuguese withdrawal from Angola

This is why I love this channel, I read titles like this and think "hang on, they did what??"

This 3-minute video helped me understand the Angolan civil war better than documentaries.

Cuba played a part in a lot of African wars. For example they basically won the Ethiopian Somali war for the Ethiopian side.

@grontelp77

3 жыл бұрын

Great point. I believe Cuba sent Che to advise the Algerian and Polisario anticolonial movements as well

@rodrigomejia953

3 жыл бұрын

Cuba probably intervened directly or indirectly in more countries than the USSR xD (Ignoring Eastern Europe ofc).

@xernobell7845

3 жыл бұрын

Ya they helped algeria against morocco in the sand war 1963 , they were truly very helpful towards african social countries

@ahmedamine24

3 жыл бұрын

@@xernobell7845 The Morocco/Algeria war was as inevitable politicallyas it was morally senseless. Truly a deplorable outcome.

@scintillam_dei

3 жыл бұрын

@@grontelp77 I love the song about "comandante Che Guevara" but when I sing it I replace his evil name with something decent like "Don fulano" (de tal).

And that's how Castro and Mandela became besties

@oracle8192

3 жыл бұрын

Real recognizes real, from one Titan among men to another

@fabiojr8082

3 жыл бұрын

@@degamispoudegamis dayummm owned

@glamorousman4013

3 жыл бұрын

Obama

@glamorousman4013

3 жыл бұрын

@@degamispoudegamis Mandela just liked everyone that helped him

@theobuniel9643

3 жыл бұрын

Mandela pre-Robben Island was very much a leftist revolutionary; dude went to Algeria to learn how to successfully perform guerrilla warfare.

Great video 👍🏻

My favorite part of the MPLA declaring Democracy in Angola is when José Eduardo dos Santos was President of Angola from 1979-2017 A shining example of Democracy

@luukdevoogd1071

Жыл бұрын

'hmmm, I wonder why he kept being re-elected?'

@dchenkin02

7 ай бұрын

Social Democracy is still labeled "socialism" in the United States.

I was a young teenager when this happened, and I REALLY didn’t understand it. This video would have helped me a lot back then. I just saw newspaper and TV reports about Cuban troops in Angola and thought “That’s pretty weird!” The articles and TV reports didn’t explain why Cuba was there, which made it hard for a teenager to understand what was going on. I just figured it was just more Cold War weirdness (which was pretty common back then).

@elierfernandezguerra

Жыл бұрын

Apartheid was the reason, that is why Cuba was called to help with fighting it in Angola. It is almost never said on TV or any analysis.

@Befree898

Жыл бұрын

Cuba in fact was there by request of the Soviet Union who supplied all the logistics and armament for the war and Cuba supplied all the manpower or cannon meat as they say.

@Befree898

Жыл бұрын

​@@elierfernandezguerra yeah right, Fidel Castro whose country population is like 80% blacks or mixed races cared about apartheid. So explain then to me why the government elites of Cuba are whites in a 95% composition l 😆😆😆 Probably Fidel Castro loved apartheid too.

@TubeDisabuser

Жыл бұрын

@@Befree898 -- In fact, Cuba sent troops and its own armaments at the request of the MPLA in government.

@Befree898

Жыл бұрын

@@TubeDisabuser all armament Cuba ever had, and still have today was DONATED by the Soviet Union. Only thing they have bought over the years is some police gear. They are totally broken and they were even more broken before the war in Angola started. I said donated because Putin a few years ago in 2014, just cancelled the 90% of Cuban debt to Russia ascending to 35 billions of dollars. So Cuba still owes 3.5 billions to Russia and you can be sure they aren't paying it either.

oh yeah I remember that, my great uncle served in the war as a cuban solder and brought back souvenirs

@glamorousman4013

3 жыл бұрын

That’s dope I’m anti communist but he sounds cool since they were probably forced to

@cubanenjoyer1325

3 жыл бұрын

A friend of my parents also served there

@glamorousman4013

3 жыл бұрын

@@cubanenjoyer1325 that’s cool

@ruthswann88

3 жыл бұрын

I remember reading for school comparing Cuban intervention in Angola to US intervention in Vietnam that a big difference was that Cuba never faced a shortage of volunteers to go to Angola That might be overall though and Cuba may have had to force specialists to go

@PalkkiTT

2 жыл бұрын

@@glamorousman4013 Why are you against communsm?

I literally only know about this war because of the "Gods Must be Crazy" movie. Well done!

Hey cmon. More content . Your the best on KZread

0:20 that well joke did not go unappreciated.

Cuba couldn't have done it without James Bisonette's financial support.

@lprcn2532

3 жыл бұрын

james bissonnete meme begins

@roskcity

3 жыл бұрын

The day he isn't a patiron is the day the world ends.

@jamesbissonette4438

3 жыл бұрын

Thats not true

“DEATH TO THE MPLA!!!” - guy from bo2

Very well explained

I remember watching "The Gods Must Be Crazy 2" as a kid in the late 80s, and being baffled about the gag with 2 soldiers, one of them white Cuban the other black African, and I just couldn't understand what why how in the hell is Cuban army fighting a war in Africa?

@thunderlord-nsr6153

3 жыл бұрын

You've seen it too? That was my childhood favourite.

@vnorm2907

3 жыл бұрын

Cuba was in Angola fighting against imperialism!!!

@davidkazira6060

3 жыл бұрын

You just blew my mind. I hadn't thought of that and I love that movie.

@vnorm2907

3 жыл бұрын

Little know fact, North Korea also fought on Africa soil against Imperialism.

@vnorm2907

3 жыл бұрын

@Caesar Sanchez lucky for who? I have been to Angola and Cuba. The people of Cuba are much better off. Both Cuba and Angola are poor, but the people of Cuba have Great Free Health Care, Great Free Education and Cuba is only poor because of the blockade. Angola is poor because of Western Imperialism, that places corrupt leaders in charge that sellout their people, resources, and country.

Cuba fighting South Africa in Angola has such an AoE2 energy.

I have never even heard a whisper of this amazing history in my four decades of existence. Thank you!

0:30 I remember a game where one important character said "Death to the MPLA!"

@theobuniel9643

3 жыл бұрын

Well the guy on the right is the important character you're talking about; his name is Jonas Savimbi.

@thesummergamer7245

2 жыл бұрын

cod black ops 2

0:20 please don't ever stop with the _well_ thing

@Admiral45-10

3 жыл бұрын

Ever

Cuba invaded Angola because they had the financial backing of James Bisonnette, the Byzantinian financier extraordinaire.

@lprcn2532

3 жыл бұрын

james bissonnete meme begins

@jamesbissonette4438

3 жыл бұрын

That is a lie

@peepingtom9342

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbissonette4438 gib me moneys please

@jamesbissonette4438

3 жыл бұрын

@@peepingtom9342 no

@gideonmele1556

3 жыл бұрын

The Bis pulls a lot of strings so it’s not surprising

Great summary, also worth mentioning that on addition to the named countries, German, Romanian and Soviet troops where on the ground as well as many European mercenaries involved.

You should do one on Namibia's war for independence from South Africa, which is connected to this topic too.

Angola: hey um who are you Cuba: *YOUR BEST FRIEND* Angola: what

@mariano98ify

3 жыл бұрын

Cuba: well your only friend, that makes me your best FRIEND!!

@riko_sandokan

3 жыл бұрын

It would also become and an Ethiopia's best friend.

@adrielsebastian5216

3 жыл бұрын

*The Internationale plays in the distance*

@Admiral45-10

3 жыл бұрын

*Meanwhile Polish dictator visits North Korea*

History matters is one of the most entertaining channels combining well researched history with humour and delivered in a great way so I really hope that one day they can make longer videos again and KZread changes it’s stupid policies

"The Gods Must Be Crazy 2" finally makes sense. I never understood why there was a Cuban soldier in Africa but never got around to finding out.

@carlos-ju7ce

2 жыл бұрын

That was a crappy movie. The first one was much better. We will likely never see either again, as they're no longer PC

From the events narrated, it was Cuba who lost a lot in technicality. Their proxy won, but got dumped a year later. 😐

@bombocrusty4251

Жыл бұрын

Tbf Angola and the MPLA still has excellent relations with Cuba, they just aren't into the whole Marxism stuff considering the Soviet Union basically collapsed the second they won their war lol

1:16 the fact that History Matters used the FMLN over the Sandinistas makes me proud of being Salvadoran.

@codyarcher3263

3 жыл бұрын

@Non Filios Tuos Videbis Vacillantes 'throws history book'

@JoseHernandez-bv5gr

3 жыл бұрын

@Non Filios Tuos Videbis Vacillantes Frente Farabundo Marti de Liberación Nacional Or in english: National Liberation Front Farabundo Marti

@hahaha5290

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoseHernandez-bv5gr and what were they trying to archive ?

@JoseHernandez-bv5gr

3 жыл бұрын

@@hahaha5290 overthrow the goverment. Instrestingly the army deposed the facist salvadoran leaders already but the FMLN rebelled anyway.

@alkzavaleta7876

3 жыл бұрын

@@hahaha5290 and after the peace treaty they became a legal political party. They won the presidental election in 2009 and 2014. They are decaying after the last elections (2019).

When you just wanted to be independent of your colonial overlord, Portugal, but find your country now in a proxy war between the superpowers of South Africa and Cuba

@vnorm2907

3 жыл бұрын

LMFAO, South Africa an Cuba a super power? That's a joke. South Africa was a puppet of the United States and the United Kingdom. Cuba did what was correct, they Angola the same chance Cuba had been given. They help to throw the yoke of imperialism off and choose their own destiny.

@scottgrey3337

3 жыл бұрын

@@vnorm2907 “That’s a joke.” Ty, that’s why I wrote it

@vnorm2907

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottgrey3337 I was speaking on it being a proxy war between South Africa and Cuba.

@scottgrey3337

3 жыл бұрын

@@vnorm2907 Fair enough, but if we can agree that I’m not seriously claiming that either side is a superpower, than I’m also probably not literally describing the actual political situation there.

@SeymoreTheDisappointed

2 жыл бұрын

@@vnorm2907 Cuba doing what was correct, ye because there totally weren't other reasons for doing so

2:52 Well, I’m not complaining.

I remember in the '80's listening to a lot of news stories about AIDS in Cuba and how the involvement with Angola was cited as a transmission factor. Many Cuba soldiers contracted AIDS in Angola and brought it back home to the island nation. Of course, this was in a time when AIDS was still a taboo subject in Cuba, barely less so in the U.S., and it appears a convenient scapegoat was needed to assign blame. Later, some of the U.S. media reported many Cubans with AIDS were simply sent off to sanitariums to die of the disease.

@Marquinhos1901

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I remember there was a myth told in South America that it was Cuban soldiers who had sex with the blue monkeys that brought it back.

Thanks for answering the questions we didn't know we had ❤

Ok Which one of you played hearts of iron in a very sick way? And didn't invited me!

@xxmedixx148

3 жыл бұрын

Como vas a ser de rasin

"Proxy war between Cuba and South Africa" - that is something stright out of HoI4 with way too many mods running.

You didn't mention this, but I was reading government documents at the time, the cuban fighters arrived mere _HOURS_ before luanda (the capital) was going to fall, that's how desperate the situation was

I truly enjoy that you elabirate on South Africa's history. I hope you find more of these stories that you can show. It is truly inspiring to see my home country being more recognized.

@RGN1963

Жыл бұрын

Of coarse i would like SA to not be insulted in comments as a "racist"or"fasciast state"

@BlackDoveNYC

Жыл бұрын

@@RGN1963 But it was racist and fascist at the time.

@thenomad47

10 ай бұрын

@@BlackDoveNYC Racist yes, Fascist no, not even close.

This is awesome. You'd do great covering the Ogaden War too. Definitely one of the most Cold War-ish moments of the Cold War.

1:17 Salvador Cayetano Carpio and the FMLN, nice reference to the Salvadorian Civil War

The WELL splice gets me everytime

@EnjoySackLunch

2 жыл бұрын

Yea dude me too. Oh

Great Episode! My Father Served in the Cuban Army as an Artillery Operator during the second war/phase, he was Conscripted at 16-17

@RGN1963

Жыл бұрын

I see that my home country of south africa and cuba both used conscription

Cuba: Central America is free Communist real estate! US: What did I just hear? Cuba: Umm..... Let support Angola instead.

@Khajiidaro

3 жыл бұрын

US: Yeah, thats what I thought, Russia.

@abodalashkar5686

3 жыл бұрын

@Jay Kemme they didn't send their military

@nadie516

3 жыл бұрын

@Jay Kemme there was no direct action by the cuban army in the continent, just training and funding

@steuben6372

3 жыл бұрын

@Jay Kemme that’s the point

@cubanreemachine9592

3 жыл бұрын

@Jay Kemme they got involed in angola for two reasons they would be paid by Mpla government to help in war and cuba would get most resources from angola.

Angola: *Becomes communist South Africa: * declares war Cuba: *Intervenes in the name of Marx and actually win against South Africa Angola: *Becomes democratic an year later South Africa: "I see this as an absolute win"

I have noticed that a few of your maps show swaziland as part of the portugese empire, which is incorrect as they were british.

I've lived in Angola for eight years. Thanks for this video. Maybe someday you could make a part II about the civil war after the 1992 elections. Or another about Cabinda. Lots of stories to tell in Africa!

As a History fan, I never really understood this conflict growing up, if they video was done back then, it would have been GREAT help.

Can you do a brief history of how Party Boy Co or anarcho flash became a subscriber?

could you do a video on Guantanamo Bay and it's history?

History Matters video: exists James Bisonette comments: is for me?

Do “why Malaysia used the American flag” next

@furiouscobra4115

3 жыл бұрын

Federal system yo

@hornet370

3 жыл бұрын

@@furiouscobra4115 the American flag has a lot of meanings too it other than the style of government

@yassineszn17

3 жыл бұрын

Also liberia

@danielchew8739

3 жыл бұрын

Look up the flag of the Majapahit as well as the flag of the East India Company. That's where the inspirations for the Malaysia's flag come from.

@lightningfletch5598

3 жыл бұрын

@@yassineszn17 Well Liberia was founded by Americans as a home for free slaves. That’s why the Liberian flag and American flag are similar. But that’s not the only American influence left on Liberia. For example, Monrovia, the capital of Liberia, named after US President James Monroe.

South african Soldier 1: "do you hear salsa too...?" South african Soldier 2: "Shut up, that´s the boss music!"

It was also because of oil. That is also why, if looking at that map of Angola, there is that small section, that exclave, to the northwest of Angola. That is Cabinda. The USA also did give some support to UNITA.

It's good to see more information about this particular conflict within the Cold War. I always felt there wasn't enough coverage of what happened in Africa at least when compared to Asia or Latin America.

United States: “we don’t like Cuba, but we don’t like South Africa more”

@matheuroux5134

3 жыл бұрын

The CIA helped SA a lot in the war

@canzuk6621

3 жыл бұрын

US and UK supplied lots of weapons and equipment to help South Africa. That is why when Soviet Union fell, the Western aid to South Africa stopped and Apartied couldnt survive anymore.

@Gambito99100

3 жыл бұрын

It's actually more like "we fucking hate Cuba, and we like South Africa, but liking South Africa will get us cancelled on Twitter"

@TheButterMinecart1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gambito99100 Exactly

@curtisthomas2670

3 жыл бұрын

The US were arming and funding two "rebel" movements in Angola to assist South Africa install a puppet regime in Angola. The aim was to have an Apartheid Bloc of racist or puppet states surrounding South Africa, composed of Angola, South West Africa (Namibia), Rhodesia and Mozambique, but lost the latter two after they became independent.

every time i hear MPLA i just keep remmembering that scene in call of duty

At 2:10 it says Angola proper was secure. Could you perhaps say in what year since it did not say in the video?

Oh, so that's were the MPLA meme came from

@mrcocoloco7200

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@shermanbrown419

3 жыл бұрын

Duh

Omg this is actually so useful for my uni interview on friday bc I talked about this war in my personal statement, thanks!

@habibakhan1666

3 жыл бұрын

I got the offer lmao

Could you please make a video about the Algerian war of independence? I always wondered how Algeria split up from France, when there were already a million French civilians living there, making it kind of French soil

0:33 The guy on the right was Jonas Savimbi from CoD.