"Can't you see you aren't making Christianity better, you're just making rock and roll worse?" - Hank Hill

@SuperIliad

5 жыл бұрын

If by "you," you mean the modernists, I agree. Do identify your pronoun, please.

@LuiKang043

5 жыл бұрын

@@SuperIliad it's a meme m8

@SuperIliad

4 жыл бұрын

@Ian What is this in reference to?

@alfredolozano7486

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperIliad King of the Hill

@SuperIliad

3 жыл бұрын

@@alfredolozano7486 Now I see. Good.

Thank you so much for your wisdom Brian. As a priest, it warms and edifies my heart to hear young people, like yourself, speak on the beauty and the wisdom of the Sacred Liturgy. May God continue to sustain you and to speak through you!

@Sancte_Benedicte

5 жыл бұрын

I agree Father, are you a Roman Catholic Priest?

@countyman222

5 жыл бұрын

@@Sancte_Benedicte Yes sir!

@Sancte_Benedicte

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm actually planning on entering the FSSP seminary in Denton Nebraska, Our Lady of Guadalupe.

@jula5417

3 жыл бұрын

Agree😊

@thatcatholicgirl5675

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed here, Father!

The first Roman Catholic Mass I attended shocked me. I knew I had stepped into what the book of Revelation called the Supper of the Lamb. I had not planned to become Catholic but was so drawn to it. The Mass drew me into that place where heaven and earth meet

@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian

5 жыл бұрын

+I am NotAFeminist: Scott Hahn had a similar experience. Sadly, many Catholics who grow up with the Mass fail to see/appreciate it.

@josephjackson1956

5 жыл бұрын

I am NotAFeminist love your username😁

@Straitsfan

4 жыл бұрын

Recommendation: if you're not going to the latin mass, I recommend you do, or try the Eastern Rites.

"Liturgy isn’t entertainment." BOOM! Brian sets us up for Dietrich von Hildebrand's proposal: “[T]he Face of Christ is revealed in the Liturgy: *The Liturgy is Christ praying.* To learn the fundamental dispositions embodied in the Liturgy means to penetrate more deeply into the great mystery of the adoration of God, which is Jesus Christ (Liturgy and Personality. Hildebrand Press, 2016, p. 5, emphasis added).

@bpcathcrusader4952

5 жыл бұрын

BP26P who is claiming that liturgy is entertainment? Stop mischaracterizing! People like you are causing divisions the church among those who are seeking root causes of the overall lack of faith in the western culture, the falling away from the faith as prophesied by St. Paul in his letters. Even if we ONLY had the Latin mass or the Tridentine mass, this falling away would still happen. It’s time to trust in the Lord and seek His face, pray pray pray for the whole world, Pray for mercy as our Lord and our Lady is asking us to do. Stop attacking the mass.

@BP26P

5 жыл бұрын

​@@bpcathcrusader4952, to assert that the Liturgy is not entertainment but Christ praying is not to attack the Mass.

I've started liking your videos before finishing them. I have not regretted this.

@jula5417

3 жыл бұрын

Me too😄

"Liturgy is not entertainment. Your religion does not exist to amuse you." This is something that I wish I could work up the courage to say to my family members who attend non-denominational churches. We need to go back to the roots of Christianity, not chase passing trends.

Cannot enjoy this one enough. Thank you for putting into words what many of us struggle to say or even know how to formulate. Well done.

Great video. I too became a Catholic because I think it’s true! Keep up the good work.

A comment I saw on Facebook about how liturgy is not entertainment. " We went to a different NO parish for Mass today. Average age 80. Wonderful warm welcoming people and genuine holiness of heart, despite "Shine Jesus Shine!" and clapping. I was pounced on directly after mass by 2 different well meaning people insisting that my children (12, 9, 5) would love to go to the children's liturgy to do colouring sheets based on the Gospel ect. I told both of them that i prefer to keep the children in the main body of the church so they can learn. The people were not having any of it and could not understand why i would not take advantage of the resource they have obviously carefully planned. The truth is that my kids are too old to do colouring in a seperate room. I take them to mass to go to mass! Not to go to todlers playgroup! Another old lady told me she was greatly moved by the fact that my children genuflect before receiving communion. I quietly told my son "See, actions are evangelistic and important." Another lady was totally bemused by the fact that we enjoy the Latin Mass and the nuns chanting as our regular parish. On leaving, one well meaning man basically begged us to return next week. "We need children! Come back - it's fun here! " he said in desperation. It was sad. I didn't have the heart to tell him that we go to mass to worship God, not to have "fun" as such. "

@BujangMelaka90

5 жыл бұрын

no wonder that church is falling

@MissPopuri

5 жыл бұрын

The parish in my neighborhood does the clapping thing (Soon and Very Soon we are going to see the king) and the children’s liturgy. As much as they try to help, I don’t see it as any different than the Baptist Church I went to as a kid that sent me off to a Junior Service to sing silly songs about God and the disciples until I was old enough to be baptized and be a member. Maybe the criticism leveled at the sentiment on NO mass being Protestant is valid if I can see similarities between them and my childhood. Young people around my age (30-something singles) don’t go to church as much because it is such a subjective thing or conscience driven reality. My mom even says that taking communion in a Protestant Church is only about clearing your conscience and doesn’t mention anything about confession before a priest. Some churches have even gone so far to say that you should confess everything, and I adamantly oppose that logic because it might be none of my business to expose something that isn’t mine. Old people and young alike who look at new youth who come into the church with such wonder like it’s a delicacy probably have that mentality that says, “Hey! We have a new member in our army fighting for the Lord’s kingdom on earth. Take that, Satan!” Never mind it is completely false to assume such pretension on people, Carl Jung made a similar observation about people who formed in mass groups in the 20th Century that caused huge amounts of destruction and devastation en masse. Those groups (nazis and communists) are shunned in particular societies on left or right because ideologies are dangerous. I see well meaning Catholics pushing single issues like pro-life as a matter of negating all other possible affiliation with a group. One issue isn’t going to be the lynch pin that holds anything if you don’t ask any other questions about your new friends.

@chrisbecker6476

5 жыл бұрын

Sona Mihai

@naelpo

4 жыл бұрын

If there is one thing that I hate at mass, that would be clapping... The worst is that they always want the young ones to do so and I'm always thinking "you'll have to kill me and force my two arms to do the motion, before I'll start clapping at mass !"

I have always been saying this and I know it in my heart it's true. I am a cradle Catholic and I always will be! Thannks!

Brilliant!!! 10,000 thumb up.

Low church evangelical here. I could not agree more with you regarding variety show religiosity. Love your channel.

Many western Christians need to hear this. I was raised in a Western Evangelical tradition. While I am grateful to my past, I am so thankful Christ led me to the Eastern Orthodox Church where I participate in St. John Chrysostom’s Divine Liturgy every Sunday. You have a compelling channel and I hope many hear the words you share.

Brian you nailed it!👍

Does God care how we worship Him was a video you did which I loved and this one is all the more excellent! Once again, you did it. Now I have someone who thinks objectively on such issues.

Thank you so much! I've been digging more and more about the beauty in the Catholic architecture, sacred music, and liturgy, and I don't want to stop because beauty helps me to be more concentrated, to make a better pray and contemplate God's creation. As a Catholics, we have a lot of wealth.

As a Serbian Orthodox Christian, Liturgy is everything. It is powerful, moving, peaceful and a walk with Christ. It’s a Liturgy that hasn’t changed in over 2,000 years. I also noticed you have an icon on your bookshelf? I didn’t realize Catholics had icons? Glad I found your channel.

Excellent as always, Brian. Thank you for what you do.

You put a voice to my thoughts. Thank you. Thank you also for the detailed description provided ... reading that (along with the title) convinced me to watch/listen to the whole video. Dominus tecum Brian!

I'm your fan from Philippines

"Liking" is surely not enough to adequately express my appreciation for your videos, especially for that one. I've watched you for over a year now, I often come back to see some of your older videos, and I really think your channel fills the missing gap on catholic side of youtube. You're seriously doing a great job, thank you for that! Greetings from Poland!

Your videos are truly inspiring to me! Thank you!

I always love your content and your opinion.thank you very much for sharing your faith and knowledge,the beauty of our faith and history

I love it when I hear the truth spoken!

I love listening to you! So glad I found you. There's nothing out there like this.

Thank you Brian. Your succinct arguments, comments, and history are encouraging and useful in addressing the primacy and importance of Sacred Music, especially Chant

Another timely and most excellent commentary, Brian. I recently attended my first Tridentine Mass. I believe God chose the way he wanted to be worshipped and yes, it’s meant to be universal. Well done.

Subscribed. Another great voice in my Catholic life. God bless, Brian.

"Sacred music is not there for subjective tastes... it is there for, 'universal'" ...beautifully said, my man.

You're spot-on, as usual. The more the liturgy becomes like pop-culture and the modern world, the less it stands out from the world and the less compelling it becomes! I'm a Protestant still working on coming in, but I can tell you that the older style music as seen in Latin Mass and Paul Jernberg's work speak to my heart in ways that very few modern works do. That music tells me the Catholic Church is like no other church or organization, and I'm DRAWN to it! The Church needs to get back to that!

Excellent! Thank you for your work Brian!

I am so glad I subscribed. Thank you for the depth of your thinking.

Congrats! Keep strong and Keep going, have may families' prayers!

Man! Your videos are brilliant, and this one is just great!

If we were going to go with the subjective beauty argument, why is the Divine Liturgy only filled with 60s music that only the grey hairs seem to enjoy? It’s hard to think about how many souls this subjectively “good” music has helped push away from the Church. I’d give a lot to get true beautiful music back to the Divine Liturgy. Our Lord would appreciate the the reverence, and the youth would see it as the only place they’ve witnessed beauty in this noisy world. God Bless!

The conversation we could have on this! Wow! It's nice to know someone else is asking questions, especially about the objectivity of Christianity in a world where individualism and subjectivity reigns.

Brian - You seem to have a great deal of knowledge and know your faith well, it is good to see especially in lay Catholics. When you are self taught as you appear to be, I think it is good, because you have the interest which spurs you along and you learn what you want and need to know and there are many benefits to not having to learn the parts or topics that you are told to study if you were to attend classes or on line study. I'm also a Catholic and self taught on many topics and aspects of the faith, and I feel I've learned a lot more out of interest and my own personal research and study because I learn what I want when I want, I control that, nobody else does, and I also learn the things that I feel are at the time perhaps the most important to know. I love our Catholic faith, and I often watch many video's of documentaries, and from many Catholic channels, including some of yours, and I find these to be very valuable resources, and which help me to acquire more knowledge, and I am very grateful to all those especially those I watch regularly, for making these videos to help others like myself to learn also, and to benefit from the knowledge they share. I consider all of them to be in a way my personal teachers, and as my on line, Spiritual Directors. As you are one of those people, I'd like to personally say thank You. May God Bless you.

In the Eastern Orthodox view (and maybe Eastern Catholic...not sure), by praying the liturgy and offering the unbloody sacrifice, we are literally joining in with the eternal liturgy happening at the throne of God. The whole point of Jewish and now Christian worship is to mimic what is going on in Heaven! It has nothing to do with us, and everything to do with the pattern of worship God revealed to us. Thanks for the great video Brian. I do enjoy the way you speak from your heart, and yet at the same time, avoid making it about yourself.

Fascinating. I subscribed and look forward to viewing more videos.

This video is educational. Thanks.

So true! I'm Colombian, Mass here, in it's attempt to reach young people, has become a 'kinder course' and I find no reason why would a kid want to keep going after he be 7. Many parishes use Salsa for the music, just when we are going to receive the Holy Communion, there is Salsa, and many people (no youth, of course) actually dance it while making the queue! It's a mess.

Brilliant!! Thank you for this, Brian 👍👍👍👍

You hit that one out of the park Brian! ...Kudo's

The second of your videos I've watched this evening. I love how you have a deep understanding of what religion is and how it works, which most people who are tinkering with the operation of churches do not have. In the case of the Catholic Church specifically, I suppose that half the people in the pews don't really believe the contents of the Creed. They recite it because "when in Rome, do as the Romans do". (I couldn't do it any more, but that's just me.) Their sense of the connection to the divine comes through the beauty and symbolism of the liturgy and in most churches, the physical premises. Protestants see the gold and bitch "think how many poor people could have been fed if that were sold." That line is one found in the bible itself, when Peter complains about the perfume "wasted" on Jesus. He didn't give a damn about using money to feed the poor, he was just jealous. Jesus replied "The poor you always have with you". Precisely. If you sell off the things that make the church a thing of beauty, you feed people for a little while (if the money isn't just pocketed for more selfish reasons). And now the place where they go once a week to escape the cares of the world to experience the divine has been degraded, the people have been robbed of the nonmaterial that gives meaning to the material.

I’ve really been enjoying your videos recently. Most Catholics I met growing up were never devout so it’s nice to listen to you and hear what you have to say and feel like I’m getting a truly Catholic perspective. I was wondering though if you’ve ever interacted with the Reformed Church as in those who hold to the 3 Forms of Unity or the Westminster Confession of Faith. Many Reformed Christians also share appreciation for liturgy and keeping worship and entertainment separate. After leaving the broadly Evangelical world, becoming convinced of Reformed Theology, and going to a Reformed Church I’ve really enjoyed the corporate aspect of worship and the dialogical liturgy they use.

This is one of your best videos yet.

Man, do I agree with you. Same thing, I came back to the Faith after going secular because I believed it true, no because it was what I liked. The way you reasoned it, resonated so much with me. 👍🏼👌🏼

Years ago, I watched a video on YT by the Venerable Fulton J Sheen. He spoke of drums, etc disturbing the link between the choir on earth and that of the angelic choir in heaven. I have yet to find it again.

@Fraevo10

5 жыл бұрын

www.ccwatershed.org/blog/2017/may/18/fulton-j-sheen-nuns-pants-distribute-communion/

Great teaching- Beauty is objective!

A great discussion, once again!

Once again Brian, you are spot on. The assimilation of culture by the Church is predicated upon the value of that culture as it relates to Christianity, i.e. will the assimilation of a culture bring us closer to Christ or will it lead us away from Christ. I think a strong case could be made that the assimilation of modern culture has led us away from Christ, i.e. truth and beauty.

Fully agree. Excellent analysis!

I remember an episode of King of the Hill where they had a prottie guitar religious service and Hank said “This does not make Christianity better it makes rock music worse”.

Did my Canon watch this this morning and based his sermon this afternoon on this? Whoa! Coincidence? I think not.

Very well said, sir. Thank you.

🤯🤯🤯 i loved every minute of this.

Thank you. I like what you said.

I totally agree that music isnt what we should focus on. And what the true goal is of our belief in our Heaven father. I'm not catholic but... you gave me some insight on your belief so thank you for that as well.

I am a Ukrainian Catholic, and Brian Holdsworth, if you haven't yet been to a Catholic Eastern liturgy of St. John Chrysostom or St. Basil the Great, you will love it when you do! Also, Dr. Ryan Topping was my professor. He's awesome.

@dreastitzlein

5 жыл бұрын

Doctorwho798 Dr. Topping was my professor too! Smart man

When you attend a Divine Liturgy for the first time, don’t go with any expectations. That’s what I have done when I attended my first Divine Liturgy in a Greek Orthodox Church. It has wounded my soul. I was not prepared to experience God’s glory like that.

Yes!!! Preach it brother.

Brian you are very articulate, I was brought up Christian, but I admit I was never the best Christian. I am 23 now and I am starting to go to Church. I will also read the bible in its entirety. I love your thoughts and opinions.

I have struggled with this since I discovered my faith 5 years ago. As a child the only time we attended church was for sacraments, after my first communion we never returned. My whole life I felt the nudging of the Holy Spirt and through much prayer I discovered my beautiful faith. When I studied the faith, Holy Scriptures and the Saints I would go to Mass and see something totally different. I couldn’t understand why we were not kneeling if this was truly Jesus. Why weren’t women wearing veils if the church and the Bible called for it? Why were there not long confession lines . Don’t even get me started on the liturgical abuses, hideous music, talking, inappropriate clothing attire, dropping the Precious Host etc. I struggled and struggled because so many said it was me, I was the problem, that I was projecting ideologies that were not right. That the church was full of sinners and would never look perfect. So I would fight back these feelings of confusion and anger. Now, 5 years later I attend a Latin Mass. And you know what? It is perfect. It elevates my soul to a level I never imagined. Is the priest perfect? NO! But it doesn’t matter, his behavior quirks, the parishioners cannot affect the beauty of the Latin Mass. And to me that is universal. I feel allowing people’s passing preferences and culture norms to dictate the Mass no longer makes it a Christ centered liturgy. You are making the Mass about you and what you like, not what is. I have attended every parish in my town, I know without a doubt, the people who are changing the music and adding and subtracting from the Mass truly do not have a clue what the purpose of the liturgy is to begin with. And the only person who can change that is our shepherds.

Beautiful 😊

Bravo. Your best video to date.

Enjoyed this video very much. I, too, prefer liturgical traditions.

thanks Brian. you could give a look at Nikolaus Gihr's "The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" as well. Stunning work.

I go for the sacraments and focus on that. Sometimes the music is great and elevates my mind towards the readings and liturgy. Other times they play protestant music and it makes me cringe. These are songs that outside of mass I would listen to but when Chris Redman wrote 10,000 reasons I'm pretty sure he wasn't thinking of the holy Eucharist.

Just saw this video. So good and informative. I would say that culture now is so about relativism especially in regards to Millennials, in business and Religion. Some of my family are Lutheran, they are disappointed in how their Church is so focused on the younger generation and adding/changing services to appeal to more of the 20 and 30 even 40 somethings. Luckily I don't see this at my Parish... Thank you Brian. Would love to see some videos on how to effectively respond to my agnostic Mom. She brought me up Catholic, she was never into much and is now involved in a Democratic party group who are anti Christian..(not making this political) she is so influenced by them. Thanks again.

I couldn’t agree more. The Mass is an experience of heaven and earth meeting in a mystical way, and all our senses can lead us to knowing this reality more deeply. Please respond to the counter argument that the music and art forms which we identify as traditional now were the current, popular forms of them at the time they were created.

When the "worship team" does a modern arrangement of an ancient hymn, I am drawn in. Conversely when the song selection mimics Christian pop radio, it can't end soon enough.

Sr you absolutely nail it with this video, is so good that I think it should be translated into Spanish

Well said. The Church, should present herself as she is and not try to appeal to what some within the Church might think certain people might want.

Exactly. This is why Clamavi De Profundis is so popular with the Lord of the Rings fans. They elevate the psalms above and beyond what other artists are doing, creating something really spectacular!

If I could like this video 100 times I would.

Great vid!

Bravo.

Thank you so much for this video. I am becoming Catholic for the same reasons....because I believe it is true. I had been given the most incredible opportunity to attend the traditional Latin mass in Toronto and when I attended my local parish, novus ordo, I was stunned. My heart hurt. I don’t want to be critical, and I feel guilty seeking mass at a more distant parish, but the novus ordo is so unfamiliar; even to someone from a non-denominational evangelical background. Is it wrong to seek a different mass?

Couldn't agree more.

He amazing

One thing bothers me: it seems that contemporary music forms /should/ be salvageable, if not for use in liturgy, then at least for lay or private worship. For some reason this seems very difficult to do, and I'm not sure why. I've long desired to find ways that electronic music can be elevated to the beatific.

In light of the topic, what can be said of this example if used in the Mass (Communion, Recessional, ..)? I I deliberately picked this version over his commercial version. Your comments might help me understand Brian's point. Thanks a lot for anyone who'd comment.

Well done. I believe the Catholic Church began to reflect the culture rather than transcend it in the 60's. We have an uphill battle especially given the smoke of Satan is thick within the bride of Christ. God bless you and pray for your success with the millennial.

When Brian speaks, Tradition is clearly in the background.. When I heard he saying “... go to the Novus Ordo...”, then I said, that’s it.

I agree except on one point. Coming from a contemporary evangelical background, I think there is a strong chance of appealing to youth via modern music and atmospheres. The problem is that, IMO, the more you conform the sacred to the world, the more it just looks like the world. You'll attract people alright, modern mega churches being exhibit A. But the spiritual quality of experience is often greatly diminished. That said, I think there is another side to this coin. Even traditional ways can become stuffy and devoid of life. It depends greatly on the condition of the heart and its approach to worship. Having come from a contemporary church background, I now have a much deeper respect for the traditional, liturgical ways.

brian i am an exmuslim , now a christian ,read the new testament , but still how can i become a catholic ?

@monicao7344

5 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the family. You can find all resources and guidance through this website: www.cominghomenetwork.com. You can reach out to them as well for guidance

@tessa7413

5 жыл бұрын

Some other great resources for learning about Catholicism are *The Coming Home Network International* www.chnetwork.org - The Coming Home Network also has a KZread channel, so look them up & subscribe! *Relevant Radio* www.relevantradio.org - Relevant Radio has a variety of shows covering topics from a Catholic perspective. *"Called to Communion" with Dr. David Anders,* & *"Open Line,"* and *"Catholic Answers Live"* are great call-in radio shows which you can call about any questions concerning Catholicism. They all air on EWTN radio www.ewtn.com and can also be found on KZread. May God continue to bless you & guide you on your journey of faith!

@SwordOfMouthMinistries777

5 жыл бұрын

Go to "ecclesiadei .org/masses" and find the nearest Latin Mass parish and speak with the priest.

@juanmanuelsanchezrodriguez6325

5 жыл бұрын

God be with you! There is a party in heaven for your Conversion, be welcome, my brother!

@supreme87878

5 жыл бұрын

Any of the parishes should have RCIA/ RCIY programme, you can enquire abt it in the parish church.

In my parish, our choir has been incorporating popular music styles (Christian pop, etc) into the Mass, and I can say from experience as a young person, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY love the older style of music way better (the songs we all know) As a young person, I want to say DONT TRY AND APPEAL TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION WITH THEIR "KIND" OF MUSIC. LET THEM FALL IN LOVE WITH THE CHANTS AND THE OLDER MUSIC, OR ELSE THE MUSIC IS JUST GONNA BE "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" and that's it!!! It almost seems like the Protestant type music is creeping into the Catholic Masses...

I've watched some of your videos on the liturgy and I think I understand what you are for and what you are against when I look at the context in which you are discussing these things based on the examples you use, but I wish you would explain your opinion at the other side of the coin. If subjective taste or attempts to be entertaining are informing or have informed liturgy to the point of watering down the worship, then where should some subjectivity be applied and what is the proper expression of diversity of faith as described in 1 Corinthians 12? Is a better expression of diversity of faith more to do with appealing to the strengths of the members of God's body (and what they can provide) instead of appealing to their weaknesses? Have you made a video on what a good diversity of faith in God's body looks like and where the confusion might be on this?

My bois and I are gonna start going to an fssp Church

Agree with what you’re saying, but where I am, when I try telling that message to those around me, they give me loads of strange looks. Those who want tradition and chant have to go downtown for the EF mass.

@poorbanishedchildrenofEve

5 жыл бұрын

It's always downtown too.

@kimfleury

5 жыл бұрын

In my archdiocese, it's either in the metropolitan area or up in the boonies. Or across the border (requiring a passport).

@JohnAlbertRigali

5 жыл бұрын

I'm going near downtown, to the 1st or 2nd oldest parish in my diocese. It's 15 or 20 miles away - but its Masses are so much better than the Masses at the parish that's 1 mile away. I miss my buddies at the 1-mile-away parish, but shouldn't the reverentiality of the Mass come before everything else?

Beauty is objective!

I agree with you. I'm a very liberal Catholic, yes, we exist. But, liturgically, very conservative. I remember when the 'folk mass' began. At the moment, it was cool. It was around the time of the movie the Singing Nun (not many here will remember this, I suppose). But, at the time, it was interesting, and I was young. But, yet it persists. In my parish, we have a nice organ and a good organist. We often sing traditional hymns(no Gregorian Chant, sadly). But, it's ok. But, every now and then, when the organist is away, we have a folk mass. When I see the folk group and their guitars, I want to leave immediately. I suffer through the out of tune guitar and bad singing. But, why should I or anyone have to suffer at Mass? At these times, I feel like there is a lack of reverance, more happy clappy. If there was an Eastern Rite Church near me, I'd join.

The way I put it is that some music (probably more often modern music) glorifies the artist, whereas Christian music glorifies God. I think some music like classical glorifies the human mind, while others like techno glorify nothing. I think what the music glorifies is a big factor in whether I like it or not.

IF each generation tweaks the liturgy and therefore the message, it will be like the "Telephone game". The original teaching will have morphed into something entirely different. Thank GOD, literally, thank Him for Tradition.

Is your background music the Lord’s Prayer in Aramaic?

@steelcrown7130

5 жыл бұрын

The background music is Allegri's "Miserere". It has a fascinating history, particularly the Mozart anecdote.

@zxcasdqwe12

5 жыл бұрын

Performed by The sixteen. God bless

YES! I have been reflecting on this the past couple of days. I was at a youth minister conference where the music used in liturgy was comparable to the end credits of 90s disney movies. It was extremely difficult for me to pray and I had to fight rolling my eyes the whole time and just offer it up. Ironically a large part of the conference was about engaging youth and young adults... for me (as a young adult) a bunch of middle aged people dancing around and singing 90s rock ballads at Mass is a HUGE turn off. Liturgy should transcend culture and generational divides, NOT be celebrations of culture and generational taste.

I once again say that I think the primary problem with the typical Catholic parish is that the people who make the music for the Liturgy do not care enough to do what they're doing well. John Michael Talbot and the St Louis Jesuits can be sung well. There are harmony versions out there, and there is such a thing as professional guitar playing. If people actually tried to sing what they're singing with skill and with knowledge, they could and have made quite worshipful modern music.

Dr. Topping was my freshman theology teacher at Walsh University before I converted to Catholicism! Hands down my favorite class from my four years in university. Also, at the beginning of the video isn’t he referring to the Orthodox Divine Liturgy? Not mass.

@BrianHoldsworth

5 жыл бұрын

It's not the Orthodox liturgy, it's the divine liturgy which the Orthodox use, but so do eastern rite Catholics. That anecdote comes from before the East West schism. :)

@101Checks

5 жыл бұрын

It’s the same

@101Checks

5 жыл бұрын

It’s the same sacrifice of the mass happening in Divine Liturgy, though practiced illicitly, it is valid and a true sacrifice.

@dreastitzlein

5 жыл бұрын

You are are right. I should have chosen my words more precisely. However the east and west schism didn’t happen in one year it finally came to its conclusion in 1054. On a side note, I’m about to read Two Paths by Michael Whelton. Former Catholic now Orthodox convert. How can it be valid? If there is one church and line of apostolic succession agreeing that the Orthodox Church is valid couldn’t you just stretch it and go to say all churches are valid? Personally that doesn’t make sense to me.

@101Checks

5 жыл бұрын

Andrea Leon All Orthodox sacraments are valid, though illicit, because they are administering these sacraments outside the authority of the Church under the Pope. The Catholic Church has always said that the Orthodox sacraments and apostolic succession is valid. That’s the reason why an Eastern Orthodox member is allowed to take communion in a Catholic Mass, although his own Orthodox Church or priest may not allow it. (There are like 12 or so different Orthodox churches all with their own law, it’s weird...) This understanding is also why the Church has never called the Orthodox heretics, but only schismatic, and even that is used sparingly nowadays. They do indeed share the True faith, although we do not share full communion with them.

Growing up, I really didn't attend church beyond age 10 and went to UMC services on rare occasion in college. Afterwards, as a young adult I got introduced to the contemporary "non-denominational" church that had a large singles ministry and separate service from the rest of the church. At first I thought it was great, but the novelty eventually wore off and I eventually left. Looking back the singles contemporary worship was nothing more than a glorified junior high youth group for adults complete that immersed itself in pop culture- complete with pop culture references- Seinfeld, Friends, The Simpsons, and a skit with characters from Wayne's Worlds all along with 90s praise music. I know it was well intentioned, but looking back it just seems so shallow compared to Divine Liturgy and Mass.

I would have to challenge you on the matter of modern music. I have found some modern Christian songs that are objectively beautiful, such as "In Christ Alone", anything from Kari Jobe and I cannot remember the names. Now are you familiar with two talks on beauty by Bishop Barron and Peter Kreeft?

@Apriluser

4 жыл бұрын

Aeternum Sophia Spiritual Direction Agreed. The Holy Spirit is still inspiring great hymn writers today, as you mentioned.