At one time I was in Jehovah's Witnesses which uses the same means to make their points of belief. Proof texts. Who cares about the context! The context isn't important. What's important is that I take a series of bible verses which when put with other bible verses make my point of belief. Also, when you have to be schooled in order to understand a systematic and that is troublesome. Upon coming out of Jehovah's Witnesses I said, "I know nothing. Now I need to read and study my bible to learn and understand what it really says and means." In all my years of study I have never arrived at the Calvinist conclusion.

@nicholascarter6543

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on leaving the JW cult I rejoice at hearing/reading this!! I was just praying about and for JW’s yesterday and that I would see deliverance!! God bless you in Jesus Name. My advice as one who has critically studied theology and almost had my brain explode with all its contradictions,I would warn you to seek Christ for yourself and ask Him to help you understand what the Spirit is saying. Calvinism,Arminianism,Molinism ect... trust what God Himself tells you. Bless you on your journey. Please pray for me as well. Prayers prayers prayers!!

@Leah-fw5kn

2 жыл бұрын

I was a Jehovah's Witness too for 30 years.... I'm still learning so many things I never thought possible about Jesus as my Lord and Savior. The brainwash from being a Jehovah's Witness was a very dark stronghold. Praise God, you found your way out. Blessings to you. 🙏💕🙏

@GloryB2God777

Жыл бұрын

Who cares about context?!

@Sipher78

Жыл бұрын

Same here. The only thing that helps me understand this is 2 Timothy 2:15 Rightly dividing the word of God. This is knowing Who the Holy Spirit is talking to and keeping it there. Here through Paul God is speaking to Jews the Elect of God! Simply!!!! You and I today are not the Elect, we are Gentiles!!!! We are not being spoken to. Scripture that i see support this. Rom 9:25 (KJV) Rom 9:25 KJV - 1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed

@Sipher78

Жыл бұрын

some just dont understand the Bible because they got taught to steal and rob Israel's inheritance. They dont understand these words unfortunately. Rom 5:10 KJV - 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled,💗 we shall be saved by his life.💗 Mat 12: 31-Wherefore I say unto you, 💗💗All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:💗💗 but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 1 Timothy 1:12-15 (KJV) .12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;13 👉Who was before a blasphemer,👈 and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.16 💕💕💕Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, 👉for a pattern 👈to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.💕💕💕 1Ti 2:1-7 KJV - 1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 👉Who will have all men to be saved👈, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the *Gentiles* in faith and verity. 1 Corinthians 15: 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam *all die*, even so in Christ shall **all be made alive.** 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Rom 5:1-26 KJV - 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, **being now justified by his blood**, we shall be ((saved from wrath)) through him. ✝️ 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be **saved by his life.** 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the *atonement.* (((12 Wherefore, *as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin;* and so death passed upon (all men), for that all have sinned:))) ((13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.)) 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. **For if through the offence of one many be dead**, !!!much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.!!! 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even 💕💕so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.💕 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, 💗so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.💗 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, ((**grace did much more abound:**)) 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even👉 so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.👈 22 But the scripture hath concluded 👉all under sin👈, that the promise (💕by faith of Jesus Christ💕) might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified *by faith.* 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 💗For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus💗 John 4: 42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, 🥰🙏the Saviour of the world.🥰🙏 John 6: 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 💗💗💗And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me 👉I should lose nothing👈, but should raise it up again **at the last day.**💗💗💗 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which **seeth the Son**, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. To add... Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Isa 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. Isa 45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. Romans 4: 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, 💓but through the righteousness of faith.💓 14 👉For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect👈:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; 💗to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed💗; 🙏not to that only which is of the law, 🙏but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us 👉ALL,👈😘 Isa 62:2 KJV - 1 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.2 💗And the **Gentiles shall see** thy righteousness💗, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name

When I listen to Calvinistic sermons I inmediately feel like something is just not right... I just pass...

@primeobjective5469

3 жыл бұрын

Its called spiritual warfare; the Spirit of Truth vs a spirit of error.

@dianefelice9730

3 жыл бұрын

Same with me! I go to a reformed church and I really struggle when I hear sermons that teach doctrines that seem unbiblical, but man- made theologies. But no one else seems to notice. So then I think I'm just being too sensitive or something. But I really feel a check in my spirit, especially when they teach the TULIP.

@dw6528

3 жыл бұрын

I did the same years ago before I recognized what I was intuitively finding problematic. In Calvinism - Good and Evil are Co-Equal, Co-Necessary and, Co-Complimentary R.C. Sproul -quote "God ordains evil - and God only ordains that which is good". Jon Edwards - Evil is one of the necessary *PARTS* of divine glory -quote "..... the shining forth of God's glory would be very imperfect both because the *PARTS* of divine glory would not shine forth as the other do.....nay, they could scarcely shine forth at all." Augustine - Evil is beautiful -quote And because this orderly arrangement maintains the harmony of the universe by this very contrast, it comes about that evil things must need be. In this way, the beauty of all things is in a manner configured, as it were, from antitheses, that is, from opposites: this is pleasing to us even in discourse”. (ord 1.7.19)

@andresbenavides1768

3 жыл бұрын

Regardless of what philosophers might want to argue, I could not buy into Calvinism... I could not share the Gospel to others with this in mind... thinking... I'm going to talk to him, even though he might be one of the non elect. It's like telling a lie...

@andresbenavides1768

3 жыл бұрын

@@dianefelice9730 yeah... once i just had to get up and leave... when they were teachinng limited attonment...

Somehow I wish they would keep that cheery type music going in the background and then say “the good news is your elect! The bad news is that about 90% of the people you know including your most precious loved ones are reprobates and will perish forever!” So think on the sunny side at least you were chosen!

@primeobjective5469

3 жыл бұрын

Then finish it with, "Oh how BEAUTIFUL are feet of those who preach the good news!" "Soli Deo Gloria!!"

@kevinkleinhenz6511

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo It says they “CAN’T” find it? It says “few there be that find it” There is a huge difference between “men loving darkness because their deeds are evil” and men perishing because before they were born their Creator passed them by. Don’t try to appeal to God allowing men to perish and God decreeing them to perish as the same thing. It may help you to sleep better under that horrible systematic but not to logical thinking folk.

@kevinkleinhenz6511

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Mr. David, read your post you clearly “mis-quote” the verse to say “they cannot find it” my apologies if you accidentally posted that but there is nothing wrong with my brain because I’m reading what YOU posted. God allowing evil and God decreeing evil are two different things. I’m not questioning your I.Q but I am questioning your common sense if you think those two things are the same. Dump Calvinism and walk in the light.👍

@kevinkleinhenz6511

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Sorry you don’t like that you misquoted it. “Few there be that find it” doesn’t mean “they CAN’T” find it. I know with Calvin Goggles that’s the way you read it. If I don’t find my shoes in the morning does not conclude that “I CAN’T” find them only that I didn’t find them. The point is “whosoever” CAN come if they so choose. On your system they “Can’t” come because God sealed their doom by taking their “want to” away before they were born. Dump the system and enjoy truth👍

@09251976100

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo is it possible that what Jesus means is that there are lots of ways out there in the world but the way, the true way is narrow because it is only one way and that is through faith in Jesus Christ? Judaism at the time would have been one of these broad ways.

Yes! Chosen in him(Jesus), so that when we confess our sins and accept the free gift of salvation we are then one of the chosen!

@rebekahjette6304

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo My hope is not in being chosen but in the saving power of confessing my sin and believing that there is no other name given among men by which we must be saved. I simply accept the free gift of salvation.

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

The only requirement for eternal life is to believe in/trust in Jesus to give it.

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo : God did not say “chosen” in Acts 13:48, He said “were ordained” meaning they had readied themselves to eternal life. Their hearts were soft to believing the truth they heard and they accepted it. The KJV is the only Bible that is perfect to the original texts.

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

Election is to service, not to salvation.

@mrgeorge1888

3 жыл бұрын

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo How God the Father draw us to Jesus? The Father stays on His throne in the Most High place, remember? What the Father use in order to draw us? And how the gentiles can be chosen in Jesus, before they heard the gospel about Jesus? Think about it, brother. Gbu

Listening to this again… Still so good!! God bless you, my brother!

God is sovereign and in His sovereignty God has decreed that every human being that He has made, " will be made known of His existence" and have no excuse in not see that. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Romans 1: 19 God in His sovereignty has set before every man a choice to choose Him or reject His salvation. This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life,..... Deuteronomy 30: 19-20 God in His sovereignty desires all humans to be saved. For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live! Ezekiel 18: 32 God in His sovereignty lets us know clearly His heart for all humans He will ever create. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. God in His sovereignty allows evil to do what it will do, otherwise our FREE WILL would not be free will at all. It wouldn't be free will if it was controlled. That is why there are so many Cults, claiming to be for God, but they are really Doctrines of Demons. God in His sovereignty says there will be a time in the future where the sinning will be stopped! All Evil will be destroyed! He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21 6-8 God in His sovereignty has made these things known to mankind. This is Christianity. Christ is Christianity! Mormonism is a lie and not Christianity! Islam is a lie and not Christianity! Jehovah Witness is a lie and not Christianity! Roman Catholicism is a lie and not Christianity! John Calvinism is a lie and not Christianity! Reformed Theology is a lie and not Christianity! If any of these Cults were Christianity the would SAY they are Christianity, but they don't! They deny Christ's sovereignty as creator and saviour of the Whole World. These Cult members as liars can expect this future. ".....the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur...." Run from them while you still can act on your own free will choice. I would be happy to help. Please ask any questions you may have. TRUTH IN LOVE

@truth7416

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdaniel22 Yes the desperate Calvinist with their Calvinist glasses on. use this passage to pervert what they think they see. With no sense of context or zoomed out to see the full picture. All people left to themselves "WOULD" remain in that state "BUT" no person is in that state. God has made Himself known to every person ever to have lived including you! The Father draws all of mankind to an understanding that God exists through observing the creation. (as in Romans NO man has an excuse) Those that respond and do not reject that He exists, the Father sends to the Son for salvation because they are willing and desire salvation. That is why Jesus said I have lost none that the Father sent me. Meaning that if you desire Jesus, nothing can separate you from coming to the saviour. The creation preaches to you every minute of the day. Man has no excuse to see that God exists by observing the creation! We sin because we have been given a choice. The gift of free will is dangerous, but that is what makes us created in the image of God as God describes us. We are created as thinking, creative spiritual beings that have minds and desires of our own. We can create or destroy, we can love or hate, we can heal or kill etc.( we are not little gods by the way) On Earth we have enemy's that trip us up. The devil and his demonic angels and their schemes. They usually come at us through people or directly into our minds with evil suggestions and desires. The flesh or body and its lusts also drag us into wrong decisions. (sin) So why would God give us an ability that we can't fully handle? God made us for His pleasure. God wants a relationship with us as a friend, closer than a Earthly father or mother. He is not interested in a mindless, choiceless robot! The angels didn't do much better with their free will either. But once the life on Earth has passed we will are no longer tempted by any of these , we will sin no more. We will be like the Angels, our free will still be intact. New creatures in heaven. So life here on Earth is like a proving grounds for candidates of salvation. Some will fail and some will win, but that full control has been placed in the hands of every human and Angels that God has created! The truth is so simple, if you let it. Truth in Love

The ESV is definitely a Calvinistic translation,as is the NIV. They were both heavily staffed by Calvinists

Really good point. How does the Calvinist know they are really saved and not just elected to a strong delusion?

@Gablesman888

9 ай бұрын

Really dumb comment. Why? The A/P has the same problem, but without biblical verses to back up their assurance of salvation. After all, it is one thing to know you were chosen versus knowing that you helped "save yourself". The strong delusion that is on the A/P side is why I believe that if the falling away is under way, that it is the A/Ps who will fall away. Lack of saving faith will clear out the deadwood leaving only the remnant.

@xXJordanBrownieXx

9 ай бұрын

@Gablesman888 don't worry God decreed him to make that comment. Respectfully I ask that you just stick to reading the Institutes and we'll stick to reading the Bible.

@Gablesman888

9 ай бұрын

@@xXJordanBrownieXxSooo, you reject commentaries outright? Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion are just that--a soup to nuts commentary on Bible books (not all) and a vast array of Bible topics. For example, Calvin's thoughts on prayer are highly valued among A/Ps as well as Reformed Christians. How do I know? They are quoted. A pregunta for you: What do you think of the Matthew Henry commentary (just to name one)? Just wondering.

Best. Thumbnail. EVER.

I miss your opening (Am I Wrong) song, but I love your videos! You’ve helped me so much. Thank you.

So good. Really blessed by this ministry.

Thank you for making these. Saves me the time!

Thank you Dr. Leighton Flower. God bless you more and use you more.

If you look at who translated the ESV, it's no wonder the Calvinists prefer that translation. It was manipulated to fit the Calvinist agenda.

@Steve-og4ii

6 ай бұрын

Yes,its definitely a Calvinistic translation, and so us the NIV. Edwin Palmer was the chairman of that translation, and he was an ardent Calvinist.

@Steve-og4ii

6 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the Jehovahs Witness, who created their own translation that supported their false doctrines

19:05 If you continue reading... "If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own. However, because you are not of the world, but **I have chosen you out of it**, the world hates you." (v19) The world has to be in existence in order to be chosen out of it!!

@TheProvisionistPerspective

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelschaffran3948 I’m pretty sure the world has to be in existence to be chosen “out of it” this is basic stuff

Thank you Dr. Flowers.👍 if God only give salvation to some Elects, for them are good news, but for non-Elects would be disaster, because they never got a chance to be saved.

@Ark-Angel44

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! Eloquently put. The gospel isn't good news in Calvinism.

This so true. Thank you. Your teaching has uplifted me.

Thanx Brother Leighton🌹🌹🌹

The dichotomy you speak of is clarified and defined to and for those who have “Ears to Hear”. Matt 13:37-43. Mans choice vs God’s Will? Proverbs 16:9… Remember, Faith provides and divides in HIS time not ours. Prayer is key to peace🙏🔑✌️

Keep up the good work. Thanks.

that is a weird calvinism infomercial. Thank you for clearing this up. Especially when you went over Rev 13:8. ESV is hyped up as the best of both worlds accurate translation and easy to read yet the NIV and NET translated that verse better. This is were the issue is when a translation is really "interpreting" scripture to support a doctrine and not simply translating from greek. No knock on the ESV if you like it fine. I get lazy and skip looking up the greek but sometimes it is a very important step if we want to know the meaning of a text. Will be using the blue letter bible for deep dive studies. Thanks once again Dr. Flowers.

@edwinalvarez1619

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdaniel22 Thanks, I've used the ESV for over 10 years and I decided to go back to NIV because it reads better to me. If I need to dig a little deeper I'll compare with NASB, NRSV and NLT. I like to use the NET translator notes for extra info.

@Chomper750

Жыл бұрын

@thomasdaniel22 Translation requires interpretation no matter if a philosophy is formal equivalence or dynamic. Words and grammar do not map perfectly between languages. There is no objective superiority of formal equivalence over dynamic.

@edwinalvarez1619

Жыл бұрын

@@Chomper750 Well said. Couldn't agree more. One would also take into account the cultural background as well.

@Bibleguy89-uu3nr

Жыл бұрын

I am coming more fond of the NIV. I think there are times that the NIV and ESV supplement each other.

@JamesBrown-fd1nv

11 ай бұрын

​@@Bibleguy89-uu3nrRotten version my friend. You need to read "New Age Bible Versions by Gail Ripplinger. You may be fond of it but it is a trash Bible as are all newer versions. Truly study this and remember that Jesus Christ is the Word of God incarnate.

Thank you so much for these teachings Leighton.

Election never has been about coming into Salvation. Election is about being called to Service. Its the same in the world. Our Elected ministers are chosen to serve. However they can fail to serve or be disqualified. That's Why scripture says 2 Peter 1v10. Therefore, brothers, be diligent, rather, to make your calling and election sure. For practicing these things, never at any time shall you stumble. The idea that men are chosen to Salvation is just not Biblical.

@Gablesman888

9 ай бұрын

Then why do the A/Ps believe that God bases his election unto salvation by looking down the corridors of time, seeing who chooses Christ for salvation, then God basing his election unto salvation based on what God sees into the future? Your comment is theological insanity.

Hebrew tradition is that the student chooses the Rabbi and asks to learn from him. Yeshua saying "I chose you, you did not choose me" is a very significant statement with special meaning to the Apostles.

22:18 -- "... and WE are by nature children of WRATH like the rest of mankind." WHEN were the ELECT ever children of WRATH, like the rest of mankind? According to the Calvinists WRATH Theory of the Atonement, Jesus drank the 'Cup of God's WRATH' on the cross specifically for His ELECT some 2,000 YEARS ago. Even their sin of Unbelief has been atoned for. There is no WRATH. Therefore, Calvinists have NEVER been "Children of WRATH like the rest of mankind."

@johntrevett2944

3 жыл бұрын

Did Jesus die for the sin of unbelief (John 16:9)?

@primeobjective5469

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevett2944 -- John 16:8 - 11 "And when He [the Holy Spirit] comes, He will CONVICT THE WORLD concerning SIN, RIGHTEOUSNESS & JUDGEMENT. Concerning SIN because they DO NOT believe in me, concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgement, because the ruler of this world is judged." This passage is concerning conviction, not Jesus atoning for the "sin of unbelief". Likewise, the conviction is two-fold, sinners either accept it and are saved by it (1 Cor. 14:24); or they reject it and are condemned by it (Jude 1:15-16).

@lindajohnson4204

2 жыл бұрын

One of them very active on KZread a few years ago, said "the elect were never really lost, just displaced". I know that Calvinists would say, "Calvinists don't say that!" and "you don't understand Calvinism!" if you quote someone like that, but some of them certainly do believe that and say that.

@lindajohnson4204

2 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevett2944 YES, and if we repent of it, and put our faith in Him, we will be forgiven and cleansed of unbelief, and our minds gradually renewed in faith. If we refuse to give Him our faith, we die in our unbelief, and Jesus's bearing our sin won't be applied to us.

@Gablesman888

9 ай бұрын

@@johntrevett2944 For the elect, yes. If He died for the sin of unbelief of everyone without exception then Hell is empty. Now. And forevermore.

WWUTT Calvinists refuted again? lol

Great response Love your videos and work !! Have a quick humble question was kind of confused Dr. Flowers I thought you held to Dispensationalism (I may be wrong) and I remember you saying or a article on Soteriology 101 "who is the elect" stating (Nowhere in God’s word is there a more clear and concise rendering of who the elect are. It is Israel. And its not limited to the Old Testament. We find the word “elect” 4 times in the gospels and each time Jesus is referring to the Jews (Matthew 24:22, Matthew 24:24, Matthew 24:31, Luke 18:7). But does it work within the scope of 2 Timothy 2:10?) At the 12:40 second mark you said " it doesn't matter ur nationality or morality but what matters is u come clothed in Christ " I'm just kind of confused bc a non believing Jew would still be considered Gods elect from my understanding of Dispensationalism as it says in Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes @Soteriology101

Real question here. Is it inappropriate to call this “proof texting” cherry picking? How is a Calvinist or anyone else doing this any different than a false teacher doing it?

@dustinpaulson1123

3 жыл бұрын

No matter who is doing the prooftexting, if they're removing it from it's context in a way that ignores the contextual meaning, it's false teaching. You'll see it in Word of Faith'rs and Mormons and JWs and Calvinists: they take a passage, divorce it from it's context, and then force it together with passages from elsewhere in Scripture in order to "prove" a doctrine they have invented.

@nathanclark3575

3 жыл бұрын

​@@dustinpaulson1123 well said. speak the truth in love. call it what it is. keep it out of our churches.

@djohnson3093

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanclark3575 It's vital for the survival of calvinism (or any false doctrine) to keep proof texts separated from the whole of scripture. Inserting a "proof text" into its context causes calvinism (all false doctrines) to die a slow, miserable death. So it's imperative that the advocate keep you in the realm of their cherry picked verses while avoiding contextual format at all costs. Showing the advocate of a false doctrine that their interpretation of a certain "proof text" is in direct contradiction to other verses or its context, only brings more proof texts while completely ignoring the fact that you have repeatedly shown through scripture that their definition/interpretation can't mean what they're claiming it means. Instead of addressing your concerns, John 3:16 for instance, they lobb another scriptural hand grenade at you. In essence, the advocates of false doctrines are masters at using the Word of God to discredit the Word of God. 🤷‍♂️

@JamesBrown-fd1nv

11 ай бұрын

​@@djohnson3093Satan only changed a word or two when dealing with Jesus Christ, and the new Bible versions did the same thing. Does it make any sense that God would have blessed the revising of the Kings English over 200 times since 1800? A time that prophecy says that many would depart from the faith and that there would be a famine in the land for the word of God?

The truth is God loves the unbeliever just as much as He loves a person who has believed and trusted in Him for decades. A believer is no better than a non-believer in Gods eyes, they are just better off because they have decided to trust God again. Gods true desire is that none be lost including you. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,[a] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Tim 2:4-6 You are deeply loved and important to God. Everything that needs to be done on Gods end for your salvation and total forgiveness has already been finished. Now God is hoping and waiting patiently for your return, not to punish you but to save you and bless you greatly. TRUTH IN LOVE

@lalmuanzualamuanzuala

Жыл бұрын

Amen

Thx Bro. Aloha

Rev 13:8 "...Book of Life of the Lamb" could also refer to the Lamb as being slain before the foundation of the world and not that people were written in the Book "from the foundation."

If you don't understand everything in the Bible, Trust JESUS CHRIST anyway!!!

Elektos is a verb of reciprocity. Best example. You're standing on the street. It's drizzling. I pull up in a brand new Rolls Royce. I roll down the window and say, get in. You can stand in the rain or get in. I elektos to give you a ride. In reciprocity you either beg off or get in. If yall would study the original language you can throw lutheranism and calvinism right out the window

Man are not ROBOTS. It seems Calvinists have this understanding that leads to God creating robots. I feel that God has created a prevision for salvation, but ultimately the believer has to answer. You have to open the door.

Awesome!

These guys have no consciences. I don’t understand. The reckless willingness or misquote Jesus in a video targeted at children is astounding. “I chose you ...” Regardless of what you think about Irresistible grace, that passage is not about it.

@steveobrien3673

3 жыл бұрын

​@@michaelmichael-ci8hi​ Even James White, admits that this passage is not about salvation and is about the disciples being chosen as disciples. This is basic. But there is a broader issue. We have to do a better job for the body of Christ expressing doctrinal views with some humility. And we cannot slander other believers who see secondary issues differently, saying "if you understood the text". There are Christian men and women who have studied these topics their whole lives and come out on opposite sides. Perfect theology doesn't save us. Naaman's (2Kings 5, Luke 4) theology was pretty bad and he went back to serve at an alter to Baal but his faith made him clean. Jesus said, there were many lepers in Israel at the time but this gentile through faith received what Israel could not through their superior theology. Paul resolved to know nothing but Christ crucified when he first visited Corinth. What if we think we have better doctrine? Should those who have more knowledge apply that knowledge driving fault lines in the church? No. Knowledge puffs up but love builds up. It's a matter of love for brothers and sisters in Christ to not take a theological controversy, turn it into a saccharine video, and shoot it out to unsuspecting listeners saying "When we understand the text this is how Christian's see it". This confuses newer believers, it undermines discipleship relationships in the real world, it sows seeds of division, and it harms our testimony as being known as His disciples because we love one another.

@peterfox7663

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmichael-ci8hi It's sloppy and inaccurate to use that verse for that purpose in the video. That's all the original post said. And he's absolutely right. WUUTT is either complicit or inept. Either way, it damages their credibility.

@peterfox7663

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmichael-ci8hi There you go again, taking things too far. So because Jesus chose His followers, that means...Jesus determines all things? You chose which cereal you would eat this morning, therefore you decide what all people will eat -- I get it now. I guess I really don't have free will -- you determined it for me! Edit to clarify: "followers" in this usage is the disciples, as is mentioned in the OP

@peterfox7663

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmichael-ci8hi I used your logic...

In John 6:70, Jesus said, "Did I not choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" What does this statement mean in light of 15:16 and being chosen? Being chosen has more to do with service not salvation. Salvation actually started on the Day of Pentecost, when God sent to he Holy Spirit.

Yes I was number 400 👍🏼 haha 😝❤️ thank you leight ! 📜🔥🛡⚔️🕊

Hey Leighton. Love your work. Could you do a video on Judas, especially with regard to Acts 2? Like how could he have done otherwise since he was instrumental in Jesus' crucifixion?

@marcelacanales5499

Жыл бұрын

Just because GOD knew judas would betray JESUS doesn't mean Judas had too

@JamesBrown-fd1nv

11 ай бұрын

​@@marcelacanales5499Satan entered Judas by the permissive will of God similar to how God permitted Satan to mess with Job. Jesus Christ told the disciples that one of them was a devil. John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

@marcelacanales5499

11 ай бұрын

@@JamesBrown-fd1nv still doesn’t mean Judas had to betray Jesus.

@Gablesman888

9 ай бұрын

@@JamesBrown-fd1nv A/Ps try to treat God like the grown kids treat grandpa by attempting to take his keys away. A/Ps do not know God well enough to trust Him.

Not sure if this would a topic you would cover, but could you do an episode discussing levels of reward in Heaven and punishment in Hell? I've heard, mainly, Turek discuss this and am interested.

By the way, what is the difference in "proof-texting", and simply using a text to prove that a position is true or false? I understand that sometimes a text is used in isolation to say what other scriptures won't allow it to be saying, a big problem in this subject for sure.

@bobbyadkins6983

2 жыл бұрын

When you use a text out of context to be your proof text, you end up misinterpreting the Bible. Usually using a passage helps to see what the text really means. A lot of verses all by themselves seem to be saying one thing, but when read with other verses before and after you see that that's not what it really means. 1 Corinthians 2:9 is a verse usually taken out of context and misinterpreted. Verse 10 needs to be read along with it to get the true meaning.

I would disagree by one saying God has chose me is not one boasting of himself, instead one stating that for what ever reason God chose me and therefore I can’t pat myself on the back for choosing God. Not saying I agree or disagree with that doctrine I currently am not sure.

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

No one “chooses God.” They either believe the Gospel or reject it.

Another excellent video Dr. Flowers. Forgive me if I misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying 'effervescent' grace 26:28 , a common mispronouncing of the term. I think it's supposed to be "eva-n-escent grace" If I misheard forgive me for mentioning it.😉 The point is very well made however. And it's crucial to point it out at every opportunity in my opinion. Calvinists can only claim to know for certain that God does love some people i.e., the 'elect' as they define them. And they believe that Christ died for some but they can never know who the lucky ones are....or were. Actually, they can't even be sure Augustine, Luther, or John Calvin himself made it to heaven. No honest Calvinist can look at anyone and say God truly loves them and desires their salvation or that Christ died for them. They can not do this for their neighbor, their mom, their spouse, own children... not even the man in the mirror. It's a disgusting representation of our Heavenly Father and simply must be trounced back into the shadows again. You're efforts are very much appreciated and gaining momentum.

@ShowCat1

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Thanks to Dr. Flowers and many of his guest, I have come out of a 23 year deterministic/Calvinistic hell. I now have a real relationship with my Daddy-God and not with a doctrine.

@godsstruggler8783

Жыл бұрын

I know a man who says that you teach the church as a Calvinist and preach to the lost as an Arminianist. Of course, he does neither.

@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT

Жыл бұрын

@@godsstruggler8783 No surprise there. Calvinists are constantly speaking, casually, "as if" they have free will... it seems to never fail in casual conversation. BUT, to violate a core belief like that always puzzles me. It is something I would never do. I would never say "accidentally" that I thought abortion was OK and be forced to correct myself as if I'd misspoken. Yet, on the issue of the freedom of man to make actual choices, that matter, they do this all the time.... and HATE it when you point this out. When forced, they will admit the irony of their belief and try to find refuge, as Calvin himself did, in 'mystery'. But there is no refuge to be found. Calvinists are impervious to cognitive dissonance.... It's their Super Power. Man was made in God's own image. THAT matters. Determinism teaches that man does not matter. However, man cannot live as if he does not matter. It is emotionally, mentally, and even physically destructive to our well-being. In an effort to maintain a semblance of sanity, Calvinists must live and speak as "if" they do matter while still maintaining they do not. ...It brings to my mind that A 'double-minded' man is unstable in all his ways.🤔 The way they frame their favorite statement: "It's ALL about God", or "It's all about Jesus", is a pious misdirection. God's eternal, perfect, love for all of his creation IS the reason that Christ came to earth, especially his love for man, his greatest creation, whom he made in his own image. Because of that, man matters to God most of all. Would you give your best for something worthless which does not matter to you? No, a sane person does not create something in their own image for the express purpose of destroying it.

At 15:58 - 16:20, does Dr. James White interpret John 15:16 (from the Last Supper discourse where Jesus is speaking to his 12 apostles), as a means of protecting his turf as a religious authority? After all, doesn't Dr. James White consider himself to be a successor to the apostles though Augustine, Calvin and the Puritan divines who composed the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith and the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, as well as Jack Chick? My first impression from the WWUTT video clips is that one can merely claim election from a cursory glance at the Bible and then start your own church with a musical back beat based upon private biblical interpretation. As a historical reference, didn't 16th century German Reformer Martin Luther, who might be considered a Pre-Calvinist or Semi-Calvinist, state that "In matters of faith, each Christian is Pope and Church," but when the Anabaptists and those in the Peasants' Uprising followed his teaching example and privately interpreted the Bible resulting in social and religious practices contrary to his liking, he appealed to the authority of German princes to crush them? In his own words: "I, Martin Luther, have during the rebellion slain all the peasants, for it was I who ordered them to be struck dead." Wasn't Martin Luther protecting his turf as a religious authority for the German princes he was politically allied with?

May I ask you a question as a former Roman Catholic ? I have always thought Predestination was wrong, in my mind God, who knows all from beginning to end, knows who will choose Jesus and who won't. Knowing does not mean lack of choice, like predestination. *_God Bless_*

Rev 13:8 KJV seems to say that it was the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world. I’ve never read this as the subject was “ the book”whether before or from. So which is it ?? See also 1 Peter 1:19-20 so then it’s Christ who was foreordained to be slain before the foundation of the world. Which tells Me that if God foreordained Christ to be slain before the foundation of the world then his foreknowledge of what man will do is a huge factor in salvation.

I would argue that it is election to service in John not salvation.

Calvinists rarely preach to non-Christians, because the latter is seen as non-elect.

Great points refuting WWUT here! Please address his video attacking Adrian Rogers’ teachings on Romans 9!

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision 👉by faith, (not by the law) and uncircumcision 👉through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. {Romans 3:30-31}

That we are saved through our believing response to the gospel, is way more God-centered than believing that we're saved because God chose us from eternity, unrelated to our response to the gospel, and not others. That tells people they have the "right stuff", by the will of a god who, unlike the Bible's God, doesn't want those other people saved, only you and others like you. Believing it is all about Jesus and faith in the gospel of salvation, which Calvinism makes a mere effect of irresistible grace, is much more centered on God, since it is God's truth, the most important one He's given us. The same YT Calvinist who said that the elect were never lost, also said that the elect had spiritual "receptors" or "sensors" for God, which the non-elect were created without, making them like mere animals. His heresies are not "real" Calvinism, but they do illustrate the direction Calvinism takes people. Those ugly teachings don't sound so pious, but they are part of the inevitable conclusions that the theology leads people into.

And YHWH said unto Moses, *Whosoever* hath sinned against me, him will I 👉blot out of my book. {Exodus 32:33} And whosoever was *not* found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. {Revelation 20:15}

@christophersnedeker2065

3 жыл бұрын

Then is none saved?

@larrybedouin2921

3 жыл бұрын

@@christophersnedeker2065 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. {1 John 2:1-6} Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole 'duty' of man. {The Preacher 12:13}

@christophersnedeker2065

3 жыл бұрын

@@larrybedouin2921 amen

At 20:19 Leighton, speaking of the unsaved person's only hope is to "...if you confess your unrighteousness and trust in his righteousness". This isn't true, biblically, or Paul is wrong. Nowhere in the New Testament Epistles specifically addressing the Body of Christ under Grace not law does any writer direct or explain salvation being attained by including the unsaved person -"first", confessing he or she is a sinner, sinful, etc., "and" believing in Jesus Christ for forgiveness of their sins and salvation. I'm not a Calvinist or Arminian, I would line up with Leighton, his definition of provisionist. Most Elders "wrongly claim" confession of being a sinner, being sinful, admitting one is a sinner, etc., is required to be saved as Leighton constantly does in his otherwise excellent videos. Those who claim this requirement for salvation must mix the Gospels with the Epistles. The Gospels being the accounts of Jesus having been sent to "only" the lost sheep of Israel under the specified laws of Moses for their righteousness, see Deuteronomy 6:25, including the fact that they, according to the law, were to "confess" their sins as they were doing in Matthew 3 and Luke 3 coming to be immersed (baptized) upon repentance. Israel the earthly chosen nation. The Epistles on the other hand specifically addressing the Body of Christ under Grace not law, an entirely different covenant, born again of the heavenly Adam, Jesus Christ, a heavenly people, citizenship in heaven, seated in the heavenlies with Jesus Christ, transferred into the kingdom of God's beloved son, minds on things above, etc. The believer under Grace is to confess sin as a child of God being addressed and directed according to 1 John 1:9, our remedy for sins as born again believers waiting for the adoption of our bodies. No example of how to be saved in the Epistles specifically addressing the Body of Christ directs the unsaved to "first" confess he or she is a sinful person, sinner, admit he or she is a sinner, etc., to reiterate. If they mix the Gospels with the Epistles and quote the tax collector saying "have mercy on me a sinner" as a directive for how to be saved under Grace, they also are "proof texting", taking what is addressed to Israel alone, under laws for their righteousness, and mixing it with Grace, contradicting Paul and his directives for salvation. Taking clear scripture out of it's plain context. This horrible problem notwithstanding, great video.

Speaking of reading on before and after the verse in question considering John 15:16 can anyone give me just one other verse in John 15 which is clearly directed only to the Apostles and not all NT believers?

@evanu6579

3 жыл бұрын

John 15:11 ¶ These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

@SparkSnr777

3 жыл бұрын

@@evanu6579 I would agree on John 15:27 but not v11, cp 1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. ----clearly not spoken to the apostles in 1 John? So I will give v 27 tho, but hardly a strong context when u have 25 others verses in John 15 which could apply to all NT believers, do u c my point Evan?

@evanu6579

3 жыл бұрын

@@SparkSnr777 Jesus spoke those things directly to the apostles. In 1John, John wrote to those specific churches. He didn’t write to all of the NT readers. It’s not to us. It’s for us but not to us. Everything in John 15 was to the apostles. It’s the upper room discourse. John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, 👉🏻but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.👈🏻 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. It fits in with the rest of scripture. Jesus chose His apostles who would bear witness of Him. The church is founded on their testimony.

@SparkSnr777

3 жыл бұрын

@@evanu6579 of course I have already agreed that v27 applies exclusively to the apostles, but that is the only verse in the entire chapter that does so. One verse out 27 hardly proves that v16 is also exclusive to the apostles, that is a very weak argument. Could it b so, sure, it could, but u can't prove that from context. Any honest approach to context would admit that the bulk of the context applies to all believers.

@evanu6579

3 жыл бұрын

@@SparkSnr777 I cited Acts 10 though that says the same thing as John 15: 16&27. These men were chosen by God for a purpose. Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses 👉🏻chosen before of God, 👈🏻even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. Jesus chose these men as witnesses. He taught them all things whatsoever they were to teach the world. When He said “you have not chosen me, but I have chosen you”, He was speaking to His apostles. Just like when He said “these things I have spoken to you”. He spoke those things to them. They recorded it which we are now reading. He didn’t speak it to you. You didn’t hear Him speak those words. The apostles did.

Leighton thanks for the video commentary 👍 One question, on that idea of Calvin's "effervescent grace" isn't that your belief as well? Sounds very similar to what you would say about thoes who "apostatize". That they might have thought they were in the faith as well but since you beleive in OSAS they must never have been saved to begin with. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated. Be blessed 🙌

@chrisstevens1156

3 жыл бұрын

no... Dr Flowers denies that God falsely regenerates for His glory. People can know they have eternal life because they can repent and believe... If false conversion is man's responsibility, he can do something about it and make it certain. If God determines who is a false convert thru effectual Reprobation, then nobody can ever be certain that God won't reveal that you are the chosen one to believe and then fall away. amakes sense?

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

No one can become unborn.

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

Repent is a return, or a change of mind, no one is returning when they are being saved, that is why the word is not used in the Gospel Of John. The only requirement for having eternal life is a one moment in time belief/trust in Jesus to give it to them.

@chrisstevens1156

3 жыл бұрын

@@golightly5121 so repentance is not necessary?

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisstevens1156 : The Gospel Of John was written with the express purpose, to know how to have eternal life. John 20:31. John did not use the word repent one time because no one is returning when they are first believing in the Gospel for eternal life. The word repent is one of the most falsely taught words today.

It must be terrifying being a Calvinist because the fact is that some people do abandoned their faith later in life and they too might be one of those whom God has determined will also abandon their faith later in life and end up in hell.

@zacharybaker695

3 жыл бұрын

True faith can never be abandoned. And I am confident in this, that He who began the work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. I have complete assurance of my salvation. Because Jesus has me in his hands and nothing can pluck me from them, not even my own stupid decisions.

@marcyoverby3120

3 жыл бұрын

My Brother in law told me he didn't know if he was saved.yes he is a Calvinist..I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I told him I knew I was because what the word says....And he sure has a hard time at times..yes I do pray for him..

@gregjay9933

3 жыл бұрын

@@zacharybaker695 You quoted a great verse here but the fact is there are people who have professed faith in Christ, have been baptised and lived the 'Christian life' but have then, in later life, abandoned their faith. I have personally known people like this and I don’t fully understand how this happens. The point of my comment was to highlight the error of Calvinism which teaches divine determinism where, in this case, God determines that after a person places their faith in Christ they are then going to abandon their faith.

@johntrevett2944

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregjay9933 True faith can't go into unbelief. These are the ones in the parable of the soils/sower who "believe for awhile." Those who had an intellectual false faith, short of saving faith. Once you know Him your His. The Spirit also bares witness that we are His.

@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT

3 жыл бұрын

Even R.C. Sproul wrote of struggling with his own salvation on this premise. Once they come to grips with the logical conclusions of their doctrine, they all sleep with one eye open.

2 chronicles 7:14 says, if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land... Does that even make any sense to the Calvinist???

I feel like the music they picked for their video does not match their message - almost making it feel like a distraction at a carnival.

My feeling is the Rev 13:8 was done on purpose to fit their narrative. I’ve seen videos where supposedly the panel, committee, and decision makers that put together the ESV were mostly Calvinists.

@JamesBrown-fd1nv

11 ай бұрын

It's a garbage version. Read New Age Bible Versions by Gail Ripplinger and then ask yourself if Jesus Christ would be proud of you. People that turn from the King James Bible version under the excuse that the modern scholarship is superior to the work of those that did the King James version are mistaken. The fact that they all exist tells you that it is about money and perversion of the words. It's a good book for your library.

@JamesBrown-fd1nv

11 ай бұрын

I meant to say that "they all" means every other sub-par version in English.

Calvinism can really be a narcissist's dream come true. Does this verse apply to everyone, or only to the elect: Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons. (Acts 10:34) KJV

Effervescent: having bubbles Evanescent: vanishing, likely to disappear.

@JewandGreek

3 жыл бұрын

LOL ... I was thinking that too. Why would God give us a bubbly grace? 🤔

@Eloign

3 жыл бұрын

I know I cringed so hard when he kept using the wrong word lol excellent teacher but he keeps doing this.

@primeobjective5469

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, he misspoke several times. He obviously meant "Evanescent Grace", the exact words used by Jehan Calvin.

@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT

3 жыл бұрын

@@primeobjective5469 😁😁🤣 All this time I thought it was Jovan.

@Soteriology101

3 жыл бұрын

Well in my defense, bubbles are temporary and do disappear! 😂🤷‍♂️

Interesting…the WWUTT video took off the ability to comment on it. When that happens, it feels nefarious and wrong.

According to The Inspired Words of The LORD Himself in The Bible, "many are called, but few are chosen"(Matthew 22:14), and the few who are chosen (Romans 9:11-23), were already individually chosen in The Lord by name (Romans 16:13), according to His foreknowledge (1 Peter 1:2, Acts 2:23, 15:18), before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11), which was before time began (2 Timothy 1:9-10).

I praise God that Calvinism isn't true!!!!!!

@RUT812

2 жыл бұрын

Amen! Calvinism is a false doctrine, and I don’t know why the Church (as the body of Christ) tolerates it.

25:34 That's upsetting. Sounds more like Allah* than Yahweh. * "the best of deceivers" (Surah 3:54, 8:30)

But aren't the "Elect" or "Chosen" called out for a special service to our God?

Please consider writing family devotionals for children? So many are based in calvinistic beliefs..

Did Calvin removed Gods chosen ; the Jews with the Church?

@christophersnedeker2065

3 жыл бұрын

That's what gets me, if the Jews where elect as a nation and election is eternal than does that mean they are still elect? Or can election be lost?

Is not only not biblical... Repeat with me brother Leighton: it's - a - he - re - sy. Say it already.

for the believer, Calvinism falls short as a philosophical, flawed system that is quickly dispelled by a simple knowledge of the Bible...as long as you don't listen to secondary commentary....I've seen comments from people saying they were waiting on God's effectually call, not realizing it is there for their taking...through belief, sad..

Incorrect, Saying we believe that there is non righteous... In the Covenants there are righteous people who are unsaved but they do that which is right. Thats Law. God will bless the Righteous and judge the law breakers. This is an incorrect assumption which will get you into all sorts of incorrect theology.

It was the plan of salvation that was predestined before the foundation of the world. The elect are elected unto service not salvation.

@ebhardwick

3 жыл бұрын

@@luvminiwheaties Except that's not what it says. "from the beginning God chose you to be saved..." You would be right if it ended there. It doesn't end there. "...to be saved THROUGH the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and through belief in truth." Again, it is the plan of salvation that God chose from the foundation of the world. Not individuals.

@ebhardwick

3 жыл бұрын

@@luvminiwheaties Go back and read my original comment. It was the plan of salvation that was predestined before the foundation of the world. Individuals are elected for service. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that God elects individuals unto salvation. Read the book of Ephesians very closely. Ephesians 1:4-5 says that before the foundation of the world he chose us to be holy and blameless and he predestined us to adoption THROUGH Jesus Christ according to the purpose of his will. This is clearly saying that at the foundation of the world, he chose the plan of salvation. Nothing here says that each individual was chosen at the foundation of the world. And then at Ephesians 2:10, what is prepared in advance for us? The service (the good works) that we are called to do. This is no twisting of Scripture, it is exactly what it says. The only way that you come to Calvinist conclusions is by forcing the text to say what it doesn't say.

@ebhardwick

3 жыл бұрын

@@luvminiwheaties He specifically says "us/you" because they were the ones who were saved through their faith. You are forcing things into the language that were never intended. Give me a verse that specifically says that God chooses individuals for anything other than service and I will agree with you. Imagine there is a giveaway on the radio where the 10th caller were to receive free tickets to a concert. You called in and were the 10th caller. The radio host says that you were chosen to receive free tickets to the concert because you were the 10th caller. Were you "chosen" beforehand or was it predetermined that the 10th caller would receive the tickets? Likewise, God predetermined that anyone who would put their faith in his son Jesus Christ would receive salvation. Nowhere does it say that he predetermined who would put their faith in Jesus and who wouldn't.

@ebhardwick

3 жыл бұрын

@@luvminiwheaties yeah, you keep quoting the verse incompletely. God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and faith in the truth. He chose the process of salvation. Not you individually to be saved. If you take the Bible out of context you can make it say whatever you want. If you put together the verses Matthew 27:5b, Luke 10:37b, and John 13:27b, you will have some issues on your hands.

@anthonycalipjo8669

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong concept brother, elected for service and at the same time for salvation. That's why they become the saints...

Ezekiel 18 Will clear up all this confusion. This chapter is not about being saved. And l can prove it. The end of the chapter proves this.

14:08 the clip promotes a false gospel anyway. "Repenting of sins" and "following Jesus" are not requirements for salvation. Yes it's good to debunk Calvinist propaganda, but let's not forget that most mainstream Calvinists are also works salvationists who promote a "repent of sins" or "lordship salvation" false gospel.

If Calvinistic Election isn't Biblical, at what point do you call those that teach it false teachers?

It’s. EVANESCENT grace.

15:58

Where Romans 9?

When he says you did not choose me are you really saying he was telling them you did not choose to be apostles? He was clearly talking about their decision to follow him i.e be saved

@omnitheus5442

3 жыл бұрын

Whatever the position why is it that Calvinists think Jesus is talking to every single Christian since in that passage? He is clearly talking to the apostles there and their call to minister with Jesus. That's the point of contention.

The guy that runs WWUTT is super arrogant and obnoxious. Unfortunately it seems like Calvinism breeds such behavior.

Whether it is before or since the foundation of the world the point is that God wrote your decision to follow Jesus in the book before the decision was made!

@peterfox7663

3 жыл бұрын

Since/from is the same thing, the argument is against using "before". He is in the process of writing, not a completed work.

@SparkSnr777

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterfox7663 So we should translate it "whose names were not written continually (as they came to Christ) from the foundation of the world and onwards?" Yet we know that God knows all things future therefore he could have easily written the names of those who would be saved even "before" the foundation of the world in a specific book?. I don't think those kind of points are really going to help the discussion?

@peterfox7663

3 жыл бұрын

@@SparkSnr777 You misunderstand what I've said, in fact you've said the opposite...the argument isn't between "from" and "since". Those have the same meaning in this context. The argument is "from/since" versus "before". In Calvinism God knew a man's choice ahead of time because God made that choice and wrote it down before time began. The argument Leighton is making is that it IS a work in progress, NOT done ahead of time.

@SparkSnr777

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterfox7663 Yet Leighton himself believes that God could have written it all down "before" the foundation of the world, so the whole distinction is pretty pointless?

@SparkSnr777

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I c what u r saying sorry my original post was not what I wanted to say, I have corrected it.

Doctor Flowers, thank you for this channel! I want everyone to know, that yes, this channel really only does help Calvinists or those who care to use biblical examination of the texts. For I am more convinced now than ever that Calvinism seems biblical, mainly because of the fact that you did not read all of these passages in true context(and in fact, concluded something without full contextual examination). For example, He really didnt go through the whole first section of Ephesians 1 correctly, and he failed at addressing Romans 3 in context(the fact that it says, "no one does good, not even one").

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For a short spell. Calvanistic teaching put me in a deep depression robbing me of the Truth. Which is non other than Christ Jesus. Choose today Christ. Not Calvin and his disciples

Nobody was saved until Jesus died on the cross period

@jamesjohnson8918

Жыл бұрын

One person was saved before Jesus death

Calvinism is not the true representation of God's nature. Romans 9 says that God bore with great patience the vessels unto wrath. Well guess what, love is patient, and God so loved the world. The Lord died for those people as well. Those people rejected Jesus on their own free will. They were able to even do so because God grants mankind repentance. Now also in Romans it tells us that we can choose our own master. Either obedience with acquittal, or rebellion with death.

Most errors in ESV are copied from the RSV. This is because ESV used the RSV as their base text

@donniepaulson4069

3 жыл бұрын

This demonstrates the horrible problem with using perverted versions of the bible

@golightly5121

3 жыл бұрын

KJV is perfect, pure and preserved. It alone is translated from the Received Text/ Majority Text.

The Bible is for and to us, but not all about us. We can't be Paul, and Jonah, and John , and the twelve, . And if you want to be Paul , his ministry is to the gentiles. Good luck changing that to " only some elect gentiles".

You should go to a a radio broad cast with this one Calvinist Rick Gantz he does a radio show for his Calvinism in Ohio close to home 😇👍🏼😁❤️

You have to love the fact that Flowers, when addressing the passage in Ephesians 1, never gets to verse 5. Verses 5-6 says, "he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the beloved." Note: it says he predestined us for adoption! How does he get around that? Well, he doesn't explain; he just moves on! :( Anyone who reads this comment! Please, read through the bible in context!

@WoodrowKlassen7

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing to get around, you simply need to ask, who is being predestined for adoption according to the text? Who is the “us”? Are they in Christ or outside of Christ when they are predestined for adoption?

@djohnson3093

2 жыл бұрын

Verse 5 is saying what those who are in Christ are predestined for. It says nothing about anyone being predestined for salvation from before the foundation of the world. Verse 5 is right in line with what brother Flowers is saying about the previous text....

It’s interesting that he complains about taking verses out of context and then he takes Colossians 2:12 out of context as a proof text for post-faith regeneration.“when you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:12‬ ‭CSB‬‬. He completely leaves out the bit about baptism. So if, according to this verse, Faith precedes regeneration, wouldn’t baptism also precede regeneration? But I doubt he would go there. That’s why he leaves it out.

@superchad1330

3 жыл бұрын

Baptism is an action of the faithful. False equivalency.

@nathanjacobi3032

3 жыл бұрын

@@superchad1330 Does the burial (in baptism) not precede the raising in this verse?

@superchad1330

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanjacobi3032 moving the goalposts and false equivalency.

@nathanjacobi3032

3 жыл бұрын

@@superchad1330 Care to explain?

@djohnson3093

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanjacobi3032 This is not referring to water baptism. Water is not mentioned in this passage. We are not baptized into the church by man and water. We are baptized into the church by the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is for those who have faith in Christ. This is the Apostle who did not come to baptize BUT to preach the gospel.

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You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. This I command you, that you love one another. John 15:16‭-‬17 NASB1995 The historical context of this text, is about CHRIST elect/choose the disciples..but it is not just about those people who are now to be disciples, it applicable to Salvation also.... if we read from verse 1..“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. John 15:1‭-‬6 NASB1995 JESUS starts from verse 1 about bearing fruit, and to obey God's commandments., And those who don't bear fruit He will cast them to fire and burn them...and later in verse 16, Jesus says to them that He chose them first to bear Fruit..

Calvinist beliefs or not, these are very elementary views of the scripture.

At around 10 minutes in, Flowers says it's "from" not "before" the foundation of the world. How does that make a case for or against Calvinism? None of us was there either BEFORE or FROM the foundation of the world......

@loremaster234

2 жыл бұрын

Right. As in, whether it was FROM or BEFORE is there really a difference if man hadn't been created yet? I mean, this verse doesn't mention men having been created at this time. It doesn't specify as far as I know. (I no doubt could be wrong)

@Soteriology101

2 жыл бұрын

If a teacher says to the class I wrote down the names of the students who will get a treat before the class started vs if she says I wrote the names down from/since the beginning of the class…. The first is arbitrary and the latter is an expression of her recording the names of children who have met the condition she has set for getting the treat as she has been recording their names since the beginning of the class.

it's before the foundation of the world Eph1v4 I've said this before we don't matter were either a vessel of wrath or a vessel of mercy for the glory of God. I thank God for my election. He makes his elect willing in the day of him power PTL

Mr flowers The Bible says God wills to save everyone. 1 Timothy 2:4 “who desires all people to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth” Both views (election, God determines who is saved or God gives free will to who wants to be saved) both views say that he wants all to come too repentance but both views say there is something he wants more than all too be saved. We have to decide here, one view (elected view) says God deems his own glory more important than saving everyone (Romans 9:22-23 “What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,”) and that Gods glory is also furthered by the fact that some are not saved Or the other view (God gives free will to who wants to be saved) they say something els is more important to God than the salvation of all people, namely, the preservation of mans absolute free will. So election view, Gods highest value is his own glory or free will over salvation view, Gods highest value is the free will of man. These are two distinctly different views of the nature of God. And the view of Gods glory has much more explicit biblical support. The human centered doctrine is free will over salvation. It is a work of God, period. You were dead in your trespasses, dead, not kind of dead. They say you were drowning and God throws you a life float and it’s your choice to grab it, guess what dead people can’t grab.

@JewandGreek

3 жыл бұрын

Dead as in estranged, not dead as in unable to. The Prodigal Son was "dead" to his father, but was made alive by choosing to admit his folly and returning to his father. Adam and Eve were dead to God after the fall, but it was 900 years before they "died". You're saying in effect that a drowning man is incapable of grabbing a life float from an estranged relative or acquaintance.

Has Flowers ever done a video on Polite Leader?

If you have any reformed theology, you are probably tearing your hair at this point! He combats Romans three by concluding that just because none is righteous does not mean they cannot respond to God! Yeah? Well, what about when it says in verse 12, "No one does good, not even one"?

@anthonycalipjo8669

3 жыл бұрын

So why then Abraham declared righteous, in what context if none is righteous and not one??? Or Isaac or David??? 😃😂🤣

@anthonycalipjo8669

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasdaniel22 not just on the basis of faith. It is clear that Abraham was a predestined man, and his later reaction prove that when he obeys to sacrifice his son...

I AM a christian in a biggest moslem country in the world, and i hold a calvinistic theology. and i see some difficulties in understanding some of calvinistic theology especially about god ordain everything include sins, this is a hard one isnt?