Where should Nagelsmann go next? 👇

@Ben-lr2jj

Жыл бұрын

if he’s happy to wait a year going for the Liverpool job would feel very right

@saltmerchant749

Жыл бұрын

Anywhere but Spurs. There is probably no bigger poisoned chalice in England and I'm including the national team.

@Maxrodon

Жыл бұрын

Anywhere but Spurs. I don’t know why the press are pushing for this. Conte failed, Mourinho failed, everyone there failed. He should go somewhere else

@arthurahabwe1301

Жыл бұрын

Chelsea. Potter will get sacked in the summer and vivell would recommend nagelsmann

@Angelus_Krimphove

Жыл бұрын

Holiday

Definitely a harsh and strange sacking. Why spend so much money on a young manager to bin it like that?

@TheBake1986

Жыл бұрын

Top clubs have recruitment strategies, I doubt they are always dictated by one coach.

@maxhobbs13

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBake1986 ​ think Tim was referring to how much Bayern spent getting Nagelsmann in, pretty sure they spent close to 20 million euros on him which is insane for a coach

@MegaTimtheman

Жыл бұрын

@@maxhobbs13 it was touching 35 million a record for a coach

@FRESHNESSSSSS

Жыл бұрын

I'd recommend watching the youtube video, "Why Bayern Munich sacked Julian Nagelsmann".

@holger4644

Жыл бұрын

Tuchel

I feel like they had one reason to fire Naglesmann that they're not telling, and now they're throwing thousands of potential reasons

@mingriskevicius8683

Жыл бұрын

Salihamidzic must leave Bayern. This guy got rid of Hansi Flick, then he paid multimillions to hire young and inexperienced coach, clearly not at Bayern's level, giving him 5- year contract. That's a shame to watch it.

@ethanmata3181

Жыл бұрын

@@mingriskevicius8683 he didn’t get rid of Flick, Flick left because he had a one in a lifetime opportunity to coach the national team. Flick already achieved everything with us

@p-money33

Жыл бұрын

Flick's Bayern were am amazing team to watch, it's a shame that era didn't last longer

@mingriskevicius8683

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanmata3181 not really. Flick left because mostly he had massive disagreements with Salihamidzic, mainly about squad planning. For example, Flick wanted Timo Werner while Salihamidzic pushed for Leroy Sane transfer. Flick also very much wanted Havertz, while sports director told him Havertz is unaffordable. I remember clearly how main German outlets (Bild, Sport- Bild) were reporting disagreements between Flick and Salihamidzic.

@mingriskevicius8683

Жыл бұрын

@@p-money33 Flick was my favorite coach, legend, easily comparable to Jupp Heynckes and Ottmar Hitzfeld. Team had clear style, vision, strength.

ok they're not winning the league by 20 points but they're literally dominating the champions league. there has to be another reason

@tompoynton

Жыл бұрын

how are they “literally dominating the champions league”

@Ryan-vr2gb

Жыл бұрын

@@tompoynton they've won every single game and only conceded 2 goals mate. beating Barca, Inter and PSG in the process

@toomuchinformation

Жыл бұрын

You haven't listened to the podcast and/or have been following BM this season. There are plenty of reasons for this.

@tompoynton

Жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-vr2gb wow who would have thought winning all your group games and beating a mediocre crackpot outfit like PSG would have no bearing once they actually came up against a proper team? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@tompoynton

Жыл бұрын

@Dr Bills was it? 🤣🤣🤣

When you have a club that wins the league just about every season, the only thing left to strive for is perfection

@haimainjauo242

Жыл бұрын

That's always been their approach! The German nation team has the same approach. Even when they know they're winning comfortably they never ease up

@toomuchinformation

Жыл бұрын

@@haimainjauo242 It's not true for the German national team right now.

@pridify

Жыл бұрын

That’s true. Not Bayern’s fault tho. Good that they’re not trying be comfortable about the situation tho. Rather they try to overachieve things in the league to compensate its uncompetitiveness.

@neovarleydownes9109

Жыл бұрын

You are right and Bayern have been asking for perfection ever since formed and is nothing new. We reached perfection by becoming only the second Club in history to do the Grand Slam, setting all kinds of records along the way and we want it again and there is nothing wrong with that.

I feel like the question we should be asking is, "Would Nagelsmann still have a job if Tuchel wasn't available?"

@Jac76906

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@toomuchinformation

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Ultimately it's always about who is available. But tbf to Bayern, they've wanted Tuchel since 2018, so it was now or never.

Lovely Minority Report reference. Also, thanks for the insight on Bayern

Jan throwing shots at Barcelona with the "more than a football club" + "being corrupt"

The reason they sacked Nagelsmann because Tuchel is available and someone else is asking about his availability. Like it or not they have to react.

Simple, because he didn't win the league in December

Seemingly baffling, but that's the Bayern way, monolithic executive structure that does as it pleases.

@traffordtanner1983

Жыл бұрын

Yes. In other words…Because they can. Glad that Dortmund is threatening their stranglehold on the Bundesliga.

@taliamason7986

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes it works. Other times it produces the infamous FC Hollywood.

He should refuse spurs under the current regime. It’s the regime that needs to change not the manager. And they need a massive clear out. The players are way too comfortable. And I’m a Gooner!!!!

The Barca dig was savage

@vespasiancloscan7077

Жыл бұрын

rent free in his little head, he doesn't even understand what the motto stands for

The movie is Minority Report.

Loved the Precog reference!

The biggest reason to explain this is the limited availability window of Tuchel.

Can't believe how quickly things spiraled for Nagelsmann after that PSG game. Mané's outburst really exposed the cracks in the team. Crazy how one decision can have such a massive impact on a coach's career.

People don't like to admit it but Bayern's standards had dropped under Nagelsmann in the Bundesliga, especially this season..barring 5-6 convincing wins, every other match has been a real struggle with long stretches of the matches without any sort of control and cohesion and relying on individual brilliance.. it is still a harsh decision, but I could understand the board as well..

@finfog4590

Жыл бұрын

I’ve noticed it but I just took that to be them learning a new system. They lost a world class striker too, it’s not easy to compensate for that.

@kudossouvik

Жыл бұрын

​@@finfog4590 it happened during 21/22 season as well.. when Lewandowski was still at the club

@toomuchinformation

Жыл бұрын

It's not about the three losses, but the seven draws, amongst other things.

@ahmedzakikhan7639

Жыл бұрын

Who cares about Bundesliga ? Bayern beat Barcelona and PSG this season

@toomuchinformation

Жыл бұрын

@@ahmedzakikhan7639 Bayern do.

Now I want Dortmund to win the title 10x more 💀

@pridify

Жыл бұрын

Never happen bro. bayern will at least another 5x

@PiratesRock

Жыл бұрын

Dortmund tends to bottle it at the end though. (We‘ll see how this season ends). At this point I‘m expecting a different club like Red Bull or Union Berlin to win it before Dortmund does win it again.

@finfog4590

Жыл бұрын

Even if they do, Bayern will win the next 6. I’ve seen how they raid their opposition and buy the best players they can from abroad.

@goldenchickenhead1634

Жыл бұрын

@@PiratesRock RB Leipzig for some reason always fuck up the first third of the season in recent years and leave themselves too much work to do. Union Berlin could get even better in coming years, it's an immensly exciting club. They have improved every season since they joined the Bundesliga.

@biohio1041

Жыл бұрын

No Bayern dont win not trophy this century 😂 anymore

Raphael and Jan on the same podcast. Doesn’t get any better.

Rapha and Jan are fantastic

Seems like one of those where Bayern wanted him because at the time he was the best coach in the league especially when you don't include Flick, Klopp and Tuchel weren't available and it also allowed them to weaken a direct rival which they often do at player level as well. However I think the issue throughout his time was that J.N is very much a modern coach with modern ideas in and outside of football where as Bayern strike me as a very traditional club, they like people to come in and conform to their way of thinking, I remember reading that Oliver Kahn wasn't impressed by what he wears on the touchline, so it was probably doomed from the start and JN was probably always fighting an uphill battle with the hierarchy at Bayern. That's probably also why he fit in so well at Leipzig and Hoffenheim because they're much more modern clubs without traditions that he could go against and therefore they conformed to him. I think he could work really well at Spurs because I doubt they'd care about what he does off the field so long as he doesn't embarrass the club or doesn't win games. I personally see him going to Liverpool in the future but If I were Tottenham I'd reach out to him immediately and look to tie him down to join in the summer and give him whatever he wants.

Driving a big car in Germany? The world has gone insane

At 10:25, the Tom Cruise film that Rafa is referring to is: "Minority Report".

One way or another, the board is admitting it made a mistake. Which one was it: hiring him, or firing him? Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed since I see Bayern as a well-run club not prone to rash, short-term decisions. Not winning the league is not the end of the world even for them, if leads to long-term success. Transition isn't usually seamless; you have to withstand the bumps to get to a new phase of success. Arsenal and Arteta are a good example.

@eavyeavy2864

Жыл бұрын

And Klopp went 3 season trophyless but rivalinf fans want to sack Potter.

Lampard as Interim Manager, It makes sense. He knows most of the Squad and he knows Chelsea FC. Nagelsmann will NOT be taking the Chelsea Managers roll. For me, if not Mourinho, then Enrique, although Gallardo would also be a great choice, even if both are unproven in the PL, they know the ropes and what it takes. But if Chelsea are thinking Enrique, why not now? So it must be him dragging his feet, for whatever reason, so that is not good. I would have thought getting a full time Manager in now would be the best idea, that way he can bed-in and be ready for next Season, while having some idea which direction to go in. Not sure what Chelsea did before against Wolves has to do with the here and now and the words "clutching at and straws" springs to mind, but hey-ho. Paez would be a hell of a signing, "if" they can pull it off. Growing and will become a Superstar. He is not just a goal scorer, he is a goal maker, but....we all know Chelsea and their signing goal-scorers' record, so forgive me if I do not get too excited until I actually see it work. Hojlund would be another one and has the potential to be as good as, if not better than, Haaland and he is only 20. Of course we are talking Chelsea and their rep as "Graveyard for Strikers", so we will have to see.

Love you Mark, but hold a Cup or something to keep your hand busy

Bayern inexplicably blew a nine-point lead at the top of the Bundesliga table. THAT is the primary reason why Nagelsmann got the boot. Secondarily, Bayern felt they needed to grab a high-profile manager (Tuchel) before he signed with another club. We'll see how THAT works out. We all remember the Carlo Ancelotti debacle.

The club did not like his partner.. you know, the journalist. It wouldn't surprise me if the club was tired of her or if she has some serious dirt on Bayern. Man probably tried to play both sides of this and got wrecked by both. They said it in the beginning - reputation is everything to Bayern. There's something more happening here.

@nicestguyinhouse6112

Жыл бұрын

100% having a rat as a bit on the side didn't help him

@mattvarner5825

Жыл бұрын

@@nicestguyinhouse6112 idk what Nagelsmann was thinking with that one. Obviously it was going to become a problem that she's a journalist covering the team..

@nicestguyinhouse6112

Жыл бұрын

@Matt Varner He got a crazy let go money payment so either he didn't care, wanted the cash out, thought he wouldn't get sacked or the strength of pussy was just too powerful lol. Many people have dealt with every one of these temptations/problems/ego-affecting things before including myself, although wasn't bayern Munichs coach..... but maybe it makes no difference when your there as all these things are hard to resist and keep at bay all the time esp in higher position. My guess was she was just a freak and chased him or vice versa and couldn't think clearly. Crazy though he might never have a chance like that again in his career as maybe results would have got better in time and who knows what he could of achieved. Silly man

What wasn't mentioned is that FC Bayern had an unbalanced squad. They had 3 midfielders, nearly 20 wingers, not a single striker for the penalty area, and only one goalkeeper, along with just 4 center-backs but 10 full-backs. After this season, Bayern lost their best players because they had had enough. This disaster didn't spare Uli Hoeneß, as both the sporting director and Kahn were fired. Kahn had fired Anchelotti, Flick and many more after overperforming, it was so bad under Kahn, that Club legends like Tiger Hermann left the club.

One point off top, just knocked out PSG. Seems odd.

When Favre was in Borussia Bayern were 9 points behind at some point, and they still won the title. So one point behind is almost equal to them being ahead.

Well if any of you watched any Bayern matches you would see that they do create chances , but they cant finish them. Is it Julians fault that he lost Lewandowski and his replacmenent is a guy who saved more goals in one season of Ligue1 than actually scored. Now not to make fun of Choupo , he has actually became a very solid player, but he aint Lewandowski. He aint Mbappe, Leao, Haaland, Kane , Jesus, Lautaro , Immobile etc etc. And you see where this is going. You aint gonna be the worlds best team without a world class striker. And when they decide to play Mane with Muller upfront like they did against Leverkusen , they just not suited for that role. Its the same shit like with German national team. Great GKs , good defence, great Midfield , great Wingers but the striker role is Slovakia level . Also yes their performances in Bundesliga this year have been pretty poor for their standards, but to be fair in CL i thought only City is capable of beating them . They played great in CL . And given Citys record in CL , Bayern wouldnt be huge underdog. Maybe it aint the coach, maybe its the League and players. Maybe it doesnt seem that way but it can be tough to stay motivated through the season when you are levels above your rivals and 3 levels above the rest of the League. Just look at PSG. Same stuff. You can lack motivation when before the season starts, they are basicaly both already crowned champions lol.

There seems to be an issue recently of a disconnect between management and one person. Kovac, Hansi Flick now Naglesmann. Managers have complained about not getting the right level of support in the market, there’s one person who’s responsible with this and that’s Salihamidzic. Flick really doesn’t like him, I’m sure down the line Nagelsmann will echo the same sentiment- he comes across as a DoF who thinks he should be the manager and dictate transfer policy. He talks and unsettles the fan base which contributes to sacking a manager they paid €34m RBL for. Surely there has be questions about Salihamidzic and his influence?

With the reasons stated here. He should not have been hired in the 1st place if they feel he was not a good culture fit.

Minority report I think Ralf was on about

IF Bayern win the CL this year you can make the very good argument that they are the 2nd biggest club in football history regarding titles, players and records. So all the important stuff. ;) I think its good thinking striving for the highest level. If Nagelsmann wasnt working behind the scenes then so be it. Tuchel will have one hell of a start. will be so interesting to watch.

Bayern is going to look foolish if Tuchel doesn't win them the champions league.

I'd love a meme of Kahn, Salihamizic and ... not sure a third as the pre cogs of Minority Report

I'm guessing Bayern's head coach is given similar sort of scrutiny to England's manager. I'm not sure whether that's the right comparison though. In England we don't exactly have one team who are seen as the jewel of the country's crown, the closest would be Man United. Our support is a lot more spread out and certainly very tribal. In Germany, it very much seems like if Bayern fail, German football fails, but I might be wrong. Anyhow, I'm fascinated by German football and German culture.

I was looking at some games of Bayern in the previous seasons , even with great results , this season under Nagelsmann , Bayern game style is the worst I seen ! Sorry for him , but I am happy for Tuchel !

This is probably the best analysis I've heard. Bayern's board lacks self-awareness. They signed Nagelsmann to a 5-year contract as though they would have the patience to let him embed his philosophy. They are far too anxious and have too big of egos to do that. I hope club members respond and reshuffle the board, because it just doesn't work having a board that wants to fight basically every manager if there's even an inkling of an issue. It makes the club look unprofessional, since even top coaches get disrespected and mistreated.

Thanks for not giving us any answers

They always wanted Tuchel. Julian is just a backup they performed really well so they didn't sack him earlier when Thomas was out from Chelsea. Bayern is always about image.

You can critisize Nagelsmann all you want, but the truth is that his sacking was very unprofessional. Brazzo and Kahn made a complete 180 on their promises. They even said they would be willing to not win the league for one season because they believed in Nagelsmann and the long term project. Massive hypocrites.

Would be nice to see an actual competitive German league,. I like bayern but it’s just boring year after year. And sadly the Premier League is looking more and more like it’s going that direction as well.

no experience it’s not for bayern

Too quiet.

People forget about how Hansi Flick decided to quit Bayern because he couldn’t stand the management, namely Salihamdozic! Maybe Nagelsmann isn’t the problem. Also I don’t buy the whole argument that Bayern acts before the crisis deepens… no way. That sounds BS to me. You can’t operate like that. Sometimes those so-called “signs” are merely coincidences.

The reason is in between when he started complaining about the leak of strategies and his new gf who was a reporter for BILD.

How did ancelotti lose the bayern dressing room? Honest question

@Jac76906

Жыл бұрын

Some of the veterans players like robben and the others were holding extra training sessions because they felt that Ancelotti training sessions were too easygoing.

Nice of Chapman to show up for work . Thanks Mark .

This Nagalsmann sacking reminds me of what happened with Celtics and Ime Udoka. At first it was shocking to know that an excellent young coach got fired. And then, with time, the sexual conduct issue made the news. If he's been fired ONLY because of performance, theyre foolish.

10:34 minority report

Dey don't respect because he younger den some of de players

Love how the correspondents talking about Bayern seem appropriately pompous about the whole thing. After all it's Bayern, the bestest club that can do no wrong. Can't wait for Kahn and Tuchel to get into a fistfight at some point

Spot on, Bayern was too big for Nagelsmann, just as Chelsea was too big for Potter. Neither can handle the egos, or the expectations of such a huge Club and if Bayern was too big for Nagelsmann, when they are in a quite healthy position, then he has absolutely no chance with Chelsea. Not to mention the fact that he has said he does not want the Chelsea job and would prefer Spurs.

@neovarleydownes9109

Жыл бұрын

@Dr Bills Link? Nagelsmann said it and I did not say he said it in a press conference, or for all to hear. He has a soft spot for Spurs, I guess one cannot help which Football Team we like lol. He has also said he does not fancy Chelsea due to all the problems they have, not that Spurs have not got their own problems. Spurs is the perfect Club to Manage, if it is money you are after. Take the job for 3 years, work at it for 6 months or so, get sacked, pick up a nice £12m or so compensation package and move on to the next Megatrial job. Money for old rope really.

@neovarleydownes9109

Жыл бұрын

@Dr Bills What is the matter with you. You seem to think, because I am on here, I should not not know people, ffs. I was part of the conversation when he said it, but it is no secret. He has been a Spurs Fan since the days of Sheringham, who was his favourite English Player, when he started following the game...no, I do not know why either lol. So he watched archives went to games and grew to like Spurs and quite a few of the Spurs Players from the past, hence the soft spot, although as a child and youth, he supports Hoffenheim and went to games, so a right buzz for him when he became Youth Team Coach and eventually 1st Team Coach. Nagelsmann will NOT become Chelsea's next Manager, he does not want it, so pass why all the talk and people are wasting their time thinking about it.

@neovarleydownes9109

Жыл бұрын

@Dr Bills Blimey child, why on earth would I want to do that on a poxy Social Media Site?! You mean absolutely nothing to me, so I do not need to try and impress you. Jesus, just how sad are you, to even think I would even contemplate such a thing. I could not care less what you think of me, to be perfectly frank, I could not care less what anyone thinks of me on here, I was just giving you feedback in reply to comments made to me and you can make of them whatever you wish. I also did not say he WILL be Managing Spurs, I wrote "he would like to", learn to read comments properly child. Now, if we are done, you have fun. I am done and you have bored me enough with your childish drivel.

@jxpt8935

Жыл бұрын

Shush you dirty German. Still mad about 1945. Up the chels 🔵

@neovarleydownes9109

Жыл бұрын

@Dr Bills Zzzzz...... Just remember to seek me out, get on bended knees, apologies to me and add: "Sorry Neo, you were right and I bow to your superior knowledge".

They're only on target for a treble

@Looneytune

Жыл бұрын

At this part of the season it's pretty usual for Bayern. Nothing special, especially with that quality of an squad.

Why not Bayern asked Chelsea to swap their coaches? Nagelsmann to Chelsea and Tuchel to Bayern.... then we shouldn't be worrying about firing and hiring managers anymore....

Bayern made a huge mistake sacking him. Tuchel awful and Leverkusen BD champions now.

Germans don’t show off. To do so is frowned upon a bit.

@j.s3300

Жыл бұрын

And yet their biggest team is called FC Hollywood

@vespasiancloscan7077

Жыл бұрын

they do, just keep telling themselves they don't

Nagelsmann to Chelsea 🙏🏼

He should go to Spurs. However he needs to be successful there as it can send your career progress back a few years as in seen by Jose and soon to be Conte who will more then likely go back to a struggling Juve team

@millbank

Жыл бұрын

Mourinho won roma there first European trophy and is currently sitting 4th. Doing great job at roma

@zak725

Жыл бұрын

Being successful in Spurs, lol good one

@trueblue3699

Жыл бұрын

@@zak725 😂

Minority report!!

So nothing to do with inappropriate phone calls to members of the female team?

This aged like milk

Tottenham have also senior Stars, like the keeper, Song and Kane.

Simply love Jan Aaage's delivery, illustrative and thus interesting

@GuiltyBystander8

Жыл бұрын

disagree, way too emotional and sentimental

This sounds like a lot of BS.

@1992zorro

Жыл бұрын

because it is

😮

What a stupid decision by the club

Chelsea

Everyone could see in all social platforms that Athletic has some serious problems against Barca lmao. So unprofessional for a media outlet, pathetic

There was no shred of Mia San Mia in the sacking of Nagelsmann. Kahn and Salihamidzic lack the patience, credibility and foresight to run a big club like Bayern Munich.

6:40 was that dig at Barca necessary? I thought media personnel should be neutral in all topics!

The only thing I hear in this chat between "pundits", is: I think, Maybe, I heard, etc. Never I spoke with x-y-z and they told me this and that. Please go back to real journalism and stop speculating and start reporting proper stories!!

@dominiclloyd6651

Жыл бұрын

Raphael Honigstein has never let having nothing to say stop him talking, in fact he's made a career of it.

The Athletic should at least mention the possibility of Müller’s role in all this, given that JN was shifting towards Musiala as a #10, which is Müller’s favourite position at both the club and the national team…

Tbh i personally want Bayern to lose the tittle just because of the unjust sacking. Let the Bayern boards learn about some professionalism and humility.

It's the shit show that football is now that teams like Bayern expect , demand to win the league every year until the end of time. That's not football , no competition at all isn't healthy . Clubs have to expect not win from time to time.

doesn't surprise me that Nagelsman's flamboyance ruffled the wrong feathers. The blazer he wore at Old Trafford a few years ago made him look as conceited as that self obsessed gonk Scott Parker

why don't you talk about why southgate started a rightback who sexually assaulted a woman in public and on camera?