It is incomprehensible to me that someone would play BDO without PvP'ing. PS. Yea... Reddit has some real gems ;3

@PonchoBandit

2 жыл бұрын

BDO is crashing. I think more capped PvP content, focused Dev attention on NW content, and more polish for other structured PvP modes (ie., RBF) are the only solution to correct this crash course.

Pvp should have rewards, fuck that pve farming simulator with closed minds

@Badkarma912

2 жыл бұрын

Lifeskillers....

Nyla can you teach me awakend kuno?

they could add more dailies, weeklies for rbf,arena content and increase the raw silver amount for participating / winning but it seems like for a good portion of the community pvp is just a negative aspect of the game so they don't want it to be rewarding like the whole I don't like it so i don't wanna feel like i am missing out on it by not doing it think potionshop made a comment like that saying it would force people into doing it but there is no good reason for them not to at least make it like you said 200m/hr or something slightly better than what it is

Hey bro I want to go awk Kuno do you know guide I can go to

@nylis4090

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly i dont, not many content creators for kuno

@Badkarma912

2 жыл бұрын

Two virolent...... or two minds now sorry

@nylis4090

2 жыл бұрын

@@Badkarma912 Now i feel like an ass LOL yeah Twominds is good

Most of this community is trash in pvp. They're against it using illogical reasons that even apply to bot grinding bc they know they'll not succeed. People hate on what they don't have, pvp talent in this case. Think about it, it's far easier to hack fishing, grinding and life skill then it is matching and fighting randoms. Most ppl play BDO not for the pvp, but for the grind. They hate the idea of having content they can't compete in and getting called out when they have a zero ranking in Arena Content. Plain and simple.

@Aejion

2 жыл бұрын

same man, pvp talent is the only thing that they cant grind smh

Well, if what u want is to get 1Bill a day spaming RBF or future arenas 6-7h a day, ok, i'm against that. But i have a better idea, turn rbf and future 3v3 arenas into a trial mode. Give every single item in the game, like global lab, so anybody can use whatever build they want. Now u can buy special potions for arena and rbf right? well, give also pen accs, pen armor/weapons (no caphras) and vells etc, and let the kids play pvp with it, is all what they want, they will have gear enough to go full pen 310 ap and 400 dp and fight against each others, but also give them 0 rewards cause they dont need them. Ppl who only want to play pvp or 80% of the time only pvp dont need rewards.

@nylis4090

2 жыл бұрын

This is just not true though. In every game pretty much that i can think of PVP has rewards of some kind. In most MMO's you can progress through PVP, bdo is one of the few that you cant. You also dont explain why you think earning, (using the numbers you put down) less than 200m an hour is not ok. Not one person has given me a legit reason other than they are worried it might be abused somehow, which given the devs track record is a fair arguement but one i can easily shoot down imo. There is no reason that, and i will be nice here, you cant earn silver equal to mid tier grind spots doing pvp. Assuming it cant be broken or cheating the system is still worse than the high end spots. Mid tier spots being 200-400m an hour.

@Seiza_InSomnia

2 жыл бұрын

@@nylis4090 Well, first of all, as J said: "We dont want BDO to be like other MMOs" so a lot of things are not able to be compared to others MMOs mechanics, so forget that idea of "like others MMO have pvp rewards....." forget it, the owner of the game already said that a lot of times, dont assume bdo will be like others mmo's pvp, at least for the moment. Yes, i explained it. In my example, where ppl would get all the gear in the game, as trials do with the current sets, you dont need rewards because u have everything for pvp (PENs, vell, elixir, etc.) only usable in the pvp arenas, so, why would you still need silver if all u want to do is pvp and the game would give you everything you need?? If we talk about the current status of pvp in our live servers, where you need your own gear to pvp, is still pointless. You get thousands of millions of silver by winning nodes, and let's not talk about the guild merchant where you can buy essences to craft 350kk crystals after winning nodes. Also, in RBF, you get red essences which basically are worth +100kk for 50 RBF tokens, and u get 5 per win (about 10-15 min each game), so you are getting like 200m every 1.5h-2h, and also, you DON'T lose anything in pvp, i mean, you dont need to use elixires/perfumes, you dont waste pots, you can't lose crystals or EXP by dying... is 100% profit, wtf are you complaining about mate?? xDD If what you want is to get 250-400kk/h by doing rbfs so you are able to grind silver by only doing pvp, with 0 risks, with 0 losses, without risking your exp or your crystals... better keep dreaming. The profit in this game comes from: 1- The more risk you take, the more profit you get. (olun, crypt, etc). 2- Activities that require time investment, like lifeskill, which products, by procesing or cooking etc, will give you a huge amount of money at the end of the process. You can't get the same, or almost the same, silver/h by sitting on the pvp arena and fight other ppl for fun, and still expect to get 250kk/h. Other case may be the future ranked arenas, there i guess you will have some kind of rewards, what will seem right to me if you get some millions or crons/caphras/materials if you keep yourself in the top.

@nylis4090

2 жыл бұрын

@@Seiza_InSomnia Just because BDO isnt like other MMO's (and i agree with that) doesnt mean they cant look at what other MMO's do/offer and do it better. Or atleast implement similar systems that work in their own game. Your second point doesnt even make sense. You and everyone else are keen to point out that BDO is a progression game. Saying you dont need gear to pvp doesnt provide an argument against my point. We all want to be able to progress in ways we enjoy. For some thats grinding, others lifeskilling, and players like me like PvP. That doesnt mean we dont want to progress our character. So dont pretend like that is a solid argument when we both know its not. You dont get tons of money doing NW unless you are winning 5 t4 nodes weekly and even then its still far less than grinding provides. So again, thats just wrong there. Ah yes the essence guy where you need a bunch of other stuff to craft the thing. Also gates behind PVP only which is another thing i dont like. But it does help you earn money, just still not a whole lot. And again you need to be winning all the time to make it even really matter. Your math is so terribly wrong with RBF again. You dont earn 200m an hour doing RBF. Lets assume best case scenario and you win 10 RBF back to back. Lets also assume you win them in 20 min. That means you get 15 every hour. Which means it takes just over 3 hours to make a single RBF crystal. And the silver you get is also 10m a win so thats 100m over that time. Where do you get your math cause its very wrong. Your point about not needing buffs is so beyond silly its hard to even understand why you put it in here. If you dont need buffs to pvp, then you dont need buffs to pve. See, thats how silly it is. You lose in pvp all the time. If you arent winning those RBF every single time, then getting that crystal takes even longer, so wrong again. If you think its a risk dieing to mobs then you are so bad at grinding. The only time its a risk is when you grind spots you prolly shouldnt be in in the first place. At 337 dp im grinding BM with no issues so dont tell me there is risk when its done properly. That being said i do concede that pvp shouldnt have the same rewards as grinding since there is 100% LESS risk than pve. But 400m an hour is still less than high end grind spots. So high end PVP should be able to earn that much yeah. Profit does not equal risk. You think people like grinding Crypt and that its good money? Oluns isnt even the best spot in the game. Lifeskilling, even at its best, doesnt get the same kind of money grinding does. You dont see lifeskillers earning upwards of 800m an hour or more. Any other things you wanna talk about so i can show you that you are wrong or just misinformed? Almost everything in your reply is either wrong such as with the math, or misinformed. Now im open to being wrong here but you have yet to provide a decent argument as to WHY its not reasonable to make money doing PVP, again. Im willing to bet though that you wont concede your point or wont even be open to the fact that its ok for pvp players to make money doing what they like if thats the case we can jus agree to disagree here and move on.

@Seiza_InSomnia

2 жыл бұрын

@@nylis4090 Well... yes it does. IF the game would give u trial equiment full pen u dont need silver to progress, if pvp is the only thing u enjoy. If you want to progress, have your own full pen gear and so, get down and get ur nails dirty miss ^^ You cant get the same profit (billions of silver) by sitting with ur ass warm at the pvp arena doing nothing, just fighting other bunch of players to see who has the biggest ego... As i said before, you cant get profit (and progress) without taking risk, and at pvp u dont lose a shit, while pvx players like me need to risk their exp/crystals and patience dealing with other pvx players trying to progress by pve. If u only enjoy pvp means you will do a lot of rbfs and nodes i guess... Well, if that is the only thing u do at the end of the month u will have billions of silver just from t4 and rbfs. Thats pretty solid to me... counting u didnt risk a shit of ur gear crystals/exp, only profit, what a dream. I'm sorry but it would be ABSOLUTELY UNFAIR if u get almost or the same amount of money compared to a guy who only grind... He takes risks, you don't. And that is a really solid point, even if u like it or not. Oh, btw, the essence guy only need the node material + 1 forest fury + 10 magical shards... what a hard material to get, right man??? c'mon... Actually you can win rbf just playing 10-12 min left of the game cause u can go in when it's already started. So u can do 6 games/h 30 tokens in the best case, so is really possible to get 50 tokens in 1.5-2h and that is what i said in the previous comment... 200kk. Well... i guess u only grind valencia, so yeah, you dont take a single risk i guess... But there are other ppl who wants to grind crypt for deboreka belts, elvia, olun valley for caphras and lungs, forest to get some deborekas and lungs too... You know, progression... And ofc, i do take the risk of grinding there, is my choice to grind there, thats true, but higher risk grant higher profit... If i sit at valencia like maybe u do, just grinding cadry for 300kk/h and some luck with BMC ofc i take 0 risk, but i only get 350-400kk/h best hours. I guess u didnt tested Olun yet... where u get AT LEAST 600kk/h with 1 blue lootscroll. My worst hour there was 530kk/h, a good hour there with caphras/olucas etc can be easy 750-850kk/h, but, again, u need to take the risk. If u want to get 400kk/h by doing pvp, with 0 risk at all, u are absolutely mad. There is no high end pvp, unless u want to point T4 nodes as high end, which i can give u the point. The thing is... u make some billions winning nodes t4, which is "high end pvp" so i think the reward is pretty deserved. U already have what u want, High end pvp = pve silver profit. If u want to earn 400kk/h or 700kk/h like high end pve, then put the same risk in pvp that we have in pve, making ur crystals and exp go BRRRR everytime u die ^^ and wasting lootscrolls and i will grant u that 300kk/h at pvp =) I think i gave u some good decent arguments, but u are not ready to accept them and give me the point, where risk is = to profit... No risk no profit. Not at the same level at least. And if u want to aim to the best pvp rewards which are winning T4 Nodes, u need to be top pvp player and u will get billions of silver per month. If not, as i said earlier, get down and get ur nails dirty miss, grab a BS and start grinding. I can't pretend to get the same profit grinding valencia with the risk that means (0 riks tbh) as the guy who take the risk to go into Olun valley. Is childish, and that is what u want, to get the same profit at pvp (or close enough) that ppl who grind... that can never happen and you know it, u know its unfair, but u will never admit that. This is why u will never find a "solid argument" against your point.

@nylis4090

2 жыл бұрын

@@Seiza_InSomnia Point 1, you missed the point completely. That being I enjoy progress which is why I grind. But you should be able to progress by doing what you like. Which you somehow missed, perhaps I need to explain things better. You should be able to progress through various forms of content in the game. Lifeskilling, PVE, and PVP. All of these avenues should be available as a way to progress your account. Doing NW to earn money is a risk. Lemme explain it so you can understand since you clearly don't. If you spend 2 hours doing a NW and lose, you get nothing whatsoever and that's time wasted in terms of progression. Most guilds don't win every NW. Even those with alliances still have to pass nodes to their ally. This means you aren't earning "billions" monthly, as you put it unless you are winning every single node and doing siege as well. You wanna talk to ME about unfair then tell me i cant even earn half the amount of money PVE players get grinding? Your argument here is a joke. Are you actually scared you are gonna die to mobs or something? What are you grinding orcs with 300 dp? Get real bro, its not that "risky" to grind and don't pretend it is. Have you checked the market for Forest Fury recently? I don't know what server you are on but on NA they aren't so easy to come by these days. And again you missed the point, you have to win all the time to get those and prices will go down when its not as needed. Alright back to your shitty math. So we gonna pretend that you always get into an RBF when its got exactly 10 min left so you can "min max" in this (totally realistic btw kekw) example? How many hoops are you gonna jump through to justify this bad take? Even if you do get that, you are winning 50% of the time. I gave you 100% win rate just to show how bad the money is but if you wanna get realistic fine. Lets say you get into 4 RBF an hour Because jumping in at 15 min mark is the average. Now average the win rate to 50% because its random. Obviously some days will be better than others but we average things out here as we do with PVE silver per hour. So you get 30mil in Silver per hour and 14 marks per hour. So you do 3 hours and 20 min to get one crystal. You then sell that crystal. So now you have 90 mil in raw silver and about 160 from the mp in 3 hours. great money per hour btw. Any more hoops to jump through? I only grind valencia? did you even read what i typed? i told you i do BM which is Bloody Monastery, the hadum version just so its clear lmao. "there is no high tier pvp" only shitters at the game actually say this. There have been many tournaments hosted by players and even the devs at some points in the games history. You are just lying when you say that. Why you giving me the Tucker Carlson treatment right now? If you don't have an actual point, then just concede or don't say something so monumentally stupid. You just said " there is no high tier pvp" then tell me to get top players for winning t4? You cant even keep your own points straight across an argument that's literally written down. Its in your own paragraph right above lol. I never said to get the same profit as PVE. In the most i talked about in the video i stated 200m an hour which isn't even possible at the moment. NW takes too long to make that kind of money and siege is once a week. Also these are done later in the day and not everyone who likes pvp can do nw or siege since they work evenings. The only thing i agree with to an extent with what you said is that PVP shouldn't earn as much as PVE since there is no risk. But i never denied that in the first place. Ideally i would LIKE to be able to make that much but yeah its not really reasonable. When you can make an argument without contradicting yourself come back and talk some more.