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Why are Knight, Bishop, and Rook so horribly balanced in this chess variant?

Chess Evolved Online, also known as Old Old Chess Battle Advanced, is a game created by a crypto-addicted Spaghetti Monster. In this episode, we will discuss the clown balancing of the pieces, as the set value for the pieces (0, 6, 10, 12, 21) is super far off from classic chess (1, 3, 3, 5, 9) - in classic chess the Knight is supposed to be equal to the Bishop, but for some reason in this variant the Bishop is costed much closer to the Rook.
0:00 Intro
0:36 Reason #1 why Knight has a lower value in OldOldCBA: Much more blindspots in classic chess
2:33 Reason #2: less fork potential
3:22 Knight Upgrades
7:07 Bishop
7:14 Bishop in Rush
9:57 Bishop Rush - oh wait
10:13 Bishop Upgrades
12:40 More Bishop replays, use in rush, promoters, nuances, etc.
16:15 NullMage Is A Pseudo-Synergy with long range
18:23 Rook - its purposes are often taken by other units - short units are cheaper and improve positionally while Rook does not
21:33 Trying to make a good Rook army with a low collection - difficult because you don't have good transparent units or good promoters
21:53 Spearman is the best moveset with Rook. Bishop does not have a diagonally attacking minion the same way Spearman does, and Spearman won't block the attack of Rook like Pawn does
27:33 Rook Upgrades
29:29 no one likes Rook+++
EXTRA NOTES:
- Forgot to mention swappers can also fix Bishop's colorboundness. I kinda mention it, but it's not really that worth mentioning (colorboundness vs pawn chains is a FAR bigger deal in oldoldoldoldcba than oldoldcba)
- Rook used to have a really pathetic upgrade tier of ++ getting only 4 moves instead of those 4 teleports, and +++ having those 4 teleports. It was later changed for +2 getting range 3 diagonal and +3 getting range 5 diagonal, and then changed into the current swapfetish version.
discord: discord.gg/V64JDvbWsf

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  • @koveltskiis8391
    @koveltskiis83913 ай бұрын

    Bishop should upgrade to leave gifts of knowledge

  • @akisa7865

    @akisa7865

    3 ай бұрын

    And can work outside the board

  • @felipecardope

    @felipecardope

    3 ай бұрын

    @@akisa7865 *Town

  • @ThePenguinMan

    @ThePenguinMan

    3 ай бұрын

    @@akisa7865the board? do you mean out of town?

  • @iiinfernodashii
    @iiinfernodashii3 ай бұрын

    I love those CBA lore videos

  • @gmdFrame

    @gmdFrame

    3 ай бұрын

    😂😮

  • @adamzero_
    @adamzero_3 ай бұрын

    when i turn my opponent's chest into a ghost but thats apparently "Not how you play chess"

  • @guyrocketram9698

    @guyrocketram9698

    Ай бұрын

    What's your pfp from? It looks weirdly familiar?

  • @adamzero_

    @adamzero_

    Ай бұрын

    @@guyrocketram9698 its a doodle from some really dumb videos i made in powerpoint in highschool.

  • @guyrocketram9698

    @guyrocketram9698

    Ай бұрын

    @@adamzero_i assumed you probably made it but it triggered some kinda memory within me lol.

  • @akaegotist
    @akaegotist2 ай бұрын

    Ive never played this variant of chess but the actual rating for knight and bishop vary throughout a normal chess game. They are approximated as equal but the bishop is stronger in most open positions and endgames and the knight is stronger in closed positions and the opening. Basically the knight starts at about 3.5 and becomes worth about 2.5 late game. Averaging 3. Bishops start a little below 3 and end around 4 or 4.5 depending on the methodology. Averaging about 3 or 3.5

  • @thhecowchicken8796
    @thhecowchicken87963 ай бұрын

    10:39 That twin rooks joke is really good.

  • @TheAgamemnon911

    @TheAgamemnon911

    3 ай бұрын

    That joke did fly right over my head (like the planes). But it also didn't age well (like the pilots). So it doesn't really stand the test of time (like the towers). I don't know whats worse.

  • @theneoreformationist

    @theneoreformationist

    3 ай бұрын

    @@TheAgamemnon911 I just ran into it

  • @example_handle

    @example_handle

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@TheAgamemnon911💀

  • @ThePenguinMan

    @ThePenguinMan

    3 ай бұрын

    9/11 jokes are so unfunny, they always crash and burn

  • @theneoreformationist

    @theneoreformationist

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ThePenguinMan ay, some jokes just fall flat.

  • @plushloler
    @plushloler3 ай бұрын

    Vert invested in this series. I have not played CEO but the game is quite similar to an idea I had years ago, so it's very interesting to see how it was done in reality.

  • @Michael-cg7yz
    @Michael-cg7yz3 ай бұрын

    Welcome back to Channel Icely Advanced

  • @user-th1hu6hg9s
    @user-th1hu6hg9s3 ай бұрын

    Bishop is closer to 9, but would need the passive (colorbound: Can't be moved of color parity)

  • @TillyCorbin
    @TillyCorbin3 ай бұрын

    the 5 games that have been won using rook+++:

  • @godlyvex5543
    @godlyvex55433 ай бұрын

    Where can I see the progress for the new chess game? I've never been able to find a discord for it or anything.

  • @sendpi6326
    @sendpi63263 ай бұрын

    Thank you I hate it. Please stop, I might play it.

  • @speddoellol1199
    @speddoellol11993 ай бұрын

    totally not copyrighted super mario 1-UP sound: 2:17

  • @ThePenguinMan
    @ThePenguinMan3 ай бұрын

    imagine going to the middle with the lich+++ then spending 56 morale to absolutely DISCOMBOBULATE your openings position

  • @Sotoah
    @Sotoah3 ай бұрын

    Hell yeah I was looking forward to the next part of this series

  • @jamesl542
    @jamesl5423 ай бұрын

    I love this series!

  • @pinguin4898
    @pinguin48982 ай бұрын

    I am willing to guess the reason why the basic pieces suck is because all the other pieces are made with a "[piece], but ..." philosophy?

  • @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    2 ай бұрын

    "I am willing to guess the reason why the basic pieces suck is because all the other pieces are made with a "[piece], but ..." philosophy?" um 1: basic pieces do not suck 2: other pieces aren't really made with that, they're often entirely original ideas

  • @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    2 ай бұрын

    chess battle advanced

  • @AboMuh1245
    @AboMuh12453 ай бұрын

    hey luigi why did you remove the other videos did you, by any chance, make them lost media?

  • @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    3 ай бұрын

    chess battle advanced

  • @AboMuh1245

    @AboMuh1245

    3 ай бұрын

    @@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq this isn't helpful

  • @joe1256joe
    @joe1256joe3 ай бұрын

    I don't even play chess. The only reason I watch these videos is because I want to learn CBA memes.

  • @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    3 ай бұрын

    chess battle advanced

  • @NotQuartz
    @NotQuartz3 ай бұрын

    What software is this? 10:23. It seems semi-easy to use, so surely it is

  • @yonatan2009
    @yonatan20093 ай бұрын

    My deck is has a soulkeeper and apptentice which feels way stronger than knight because oc the blind spots

  • @darqed
    @darqed3 ай бұрын

    Icely battles spaghetti monster advanced

  • @lemon4378
    @lemon43782 ай бұрын

    I never use rook, Paladin and Chastity+ are good, but I normally use paladin, it's way easier to move, more defensive, and overall just better And where do I find the chess music also NO WAY THEY CALL THE CHASTITY-KING CORNER THAT

  • @moslok4919
    @moslok49193 ай бұрын

    Make more cba music

  • @mrpages6384
    @mrpages63843 ай бұрын

    Personally I am quite enjoying the fabled CBA content. The fact that I also love CEO has nothing to do with it (Wink).

  • @torreywhiting5402
    @torreywhiting54023 ай бұрын

    10:08 touhou-ass music (compliment)

  • @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    3 ай бұрын

    thank you :>

  • @torreywhiting5402

    @torreywhiting5402

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq yeah yw

  • @katyusha1283

    @katyusha1283

    3 ай бұрын

    Touhou 20 leak??

  • @Khronosian
    @Khronosian3 ай бұрын

    Classification bungling apparent

  • @CasualMitosisCollective
    @CasualMitosisCollective3 ай бұрын

    [insert CBA joke here]

  • @gmdFrame

    @gmdFrame

    3 ай бұрын

    Nah

  • @mr.jeffmann376

    @mr.jeffmann376

    3 ай бұрын

    No

  • @speddoellol1199
    @speddoellol11993 ай бұрын

    Cheese the Battle by Absurdly eating everything

  • @CasualMitosisCollective

    @CasualMitosisCollective

    3 ай бұрын

    Cheese Battle Absurd

  • @lvlen-125
    @lvlen-1253 ай бұрын

    Classics Battalions Approved

  • @ecbrd8478
    @ecbrd84783 ай бұрын

    i hope new new chess battle advanced will be better than this - i love the concept of this but am not super enjoying all the uh... baggage.

  • @a_man_with_a_plan
    @a_man_with_a_plan3 ай бұрын

    why or you calling it cba when its called ceo?

  • @IcelyPuzzles

    @IcelyPuzzles

    3 ай бұрын

    it's Old Old Chess Battle Advanced

  • @a_man_with_a_plan

    @a_man_with_a_plan

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@IcelyPuzzles I don't know the lore

  • @a_man_with_a_plan

    @a_man_with_a_plan

    3 ай бұрын

    I have never heard of chess battle advanced

  • @a_man_with_a_plan

    @a_man_with_a_plan

    3 ай бұрын

    only ceo

  • @edlerlucasbarcellosdasilva3622
    @edlerlucasbarcellosdasilva36223 ай бұрын

    cokment

  • @EvaristoH
    @EvaristoH3 ай бұрын

    THE TWIN ROOKS???? BRUHHHH

  • @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    @IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq

    3 ай бұрын

    chess battle advanced

  • @nex7662
    @nex76623 ай бұрын

    Chess Balance Added

  • @GigasGMX
    @GigasGMX3 ай бұрын

    Damn, yo, why is Lilith so cheap?

  • @UrielAngeli147

    @UrielAngeli147

    3 ай бұрын

    Hard countered by champions and pretty much useless in endgame, value falls off real hard. Also decent number of minions w/ 2+ range attacks

  • @user-rx1xt2nd5e
    @user-rx1xt2nd5e3 ай бұрын

    Rook+++ lol

  • @Felipe45345
    @Felipe453453 ай бұрын

    What's so bad about the dev?

  • @TheAgamemnon911

    @TheAgamemnon911

    3 ай бұрын

    Idk... but from the ranting I conclude that the dev gave himself immunity(critique) to counter his blindspot(gamebalance) thus turning himself into an OP stallpiece.

  • @crazybunnyproductions7287

    @crazybunnyproductions7287

    3 ай бұрын

    Made a chess game that actively hates the idea of chess

  • @TheAgamemnon911

    @TheAgamemnon911

    3 ай бұрын

    @@crazybunnyproductions7287 That, I would say, isn't a bad thing. I mean: The FIFA series hates the idea of association football and people still play that shit. Okay... maybe not the best example.

  • @goldenorb1210
    @goldenorb12103 ай бұрын

    score messing