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@nealaikin5973

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing your Martial Arts Journey with us. Please try this, 1. off of your opponents cross, or your 1-2-3- blade hand 2. Irimi nage into a reverse naked choke. 3. Now Shuffle backward and inverted Stomp the pressure point in the back of the knee until the knee buckles and should now be on their heels being dragged around by their neck, preparing to take a nap. I guess what I'm trying to say is, Aikido is just one ingredient in a much larger soup which is budo.

@collinnicolazzo2065

4 жыл бұрын

could aikido work if you add live resistance training

@nealaikin5973

4 жыл бұрын

@@collinnicolazzo2065 I have used the above pattern successfully in security, Street defense and sparring effectively against people several weight classes above me.

@nealaikin5973

4 жыл бұрын

@@collinnicolazzo2065 if you add live resistance to aikido training is it still Aikido?

@nealaikin5973

4 жыл бұрын

@@collinnicolazzo2065 Aikido techniques are much more effective than MMA techniques if someone is trying to run you over with a car.

During the time I studied aikido, when I needed to play the role of uke (attacker), I was required to move in such a mechanical, predictable pattern that I felt like one of the monsters in Pac Man. Back in the day, a person could get good at Pac Man by memorizing how the monsters move and responding with fixed behaviors. Martial arts shouldn’t feel like a game of Pac Man.

@JSmithski

4 жыл бұрын

Very true. And when the technique does not work it’s always your (uke) fault :D

@sampokemppainen3041

4 жыл бұрын

"no you are doing it wrong."

@int0the3p1t32

4 жыл бұрын

well. Tbh. That’s sort of what “trainings” purpose is. You train to learn the patterns of your opponents, in order to exploit whatever tactics they are using. But if you only train a few patterns, you’ll never see the bigger picture

@smartgenes1

3 жыл бұрын

Even as a lover of aikido I have to agree with you. I would say not everyone is training that way, but... it happens a lot. I have to say, I was pleased at the attitude in a kung fu dojo when i adapted a technique with aikido and he said "that's not how the technique is - but it's working, let's see what you are doing". That sort of attitude is rare in aikido..

@Bedna543

3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree. I've been learning aikido for a while now and I actually believe that the techniques would work in a real life situation, but we do not practice real combat therefore i could practice it for 30 years and never learn how those techniques really work

I have been trained in Wing Chun, WTF TKD, Shotokan and boxing. I started at 16yrs of age and am still training at 66yrs old. For self-defence I believe that Boxing is the most effective mostly because they train with full contact when they spar. I know gloves are worn but you still learn what it feels like to get hit on a regular basis! I cannot overestimate how important this is. If you are not used to it then when it happens you will be shocked for a split second, long enough for a trained opponent or just a skilled streetfighter to take advantage of it and land more telling blows!

@1234olegas

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@bilbobaggins4403

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@bilbobaggins4403

4 жыл бұрын

@Jam AK one concussion can screw you for life

@JK-tm7vj

4 жыл бұрын

Your idea could be true in a fair fight. As soon as you get in a "real fight" thera are no rules there is no fairness! You get stabbed a knife in your back before a fight starts or you stand alone against a group of ten. In this situations no weaponless MA will work. In this situation you have to go back to the beginning of MA try to stay allive and kill as fast as you can. A knife or a gun or anny other wapon can be a real gamechanger! All martial artists think they can fight, and some of then can in a fair fight but have they ever trained to fight when they are injured? The main Problem is fairnis. The second Problem is to think what happen with the opponents. We should all be realistic modern martial arts are a form of sport (what i like), a real fight is something different. In a real fight you fight to survive! A hit with a a larger stone in your hand will hit very hard. A knife or a gun will work even better. For self defense learn how to fight with a knife or a gun. Don´t get into a fight. And stay healthy and have a lot of fun with MA!

@vcamnowguy

4 жыл бұрын

J K most martial arts were founded for exactly these settings. To fight in battles/wars. Where you actually get stabbed by a sword or something

I always looked at aikido as final stage of training for older experience fighters. For instance, a judoka, BJJ black belt, or even old boxer that focus on defense in their later years. For aikido to work you need to be experience in fighting to know how they work. My opinion doesn't mean much but I thing some of the moves do work for those who have prior high levels of combat experience.

@humann5682

4 жыл бұрын

Sort of similar to my own observations. If you look at Usehiba's teacher.... Takeda for example. Man seemed to be a bonafide badass. His dad was a Samurai and a Sumo wrestler. Takeda himself spent most of his early life studying JMA, then travelled to other dojos to learn but also engage in challenge fights (common practice in Japan at the time). The guy was a fighter. Ueshiba wasn't. Guy may have had some skills he picked up from Takeda but wasn't really a fighter, and taught his students accordingly. Many of Ueshibas Westerner students in particular didn't really learn much else apart from Aikido. So, it can't be a surprise their fighting skills in most Aikido classes today are non-existant.

@dustinmyers962

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly as you can’t fight one one one with Aikido if you do you’re going to get seriously injured, or injure the other person. That is part of the problem with it as if that is your only study you have no experience in sparing up with someone else. So you can get fucked up if you fight like you learned in the dojo with no experience. Yet if you take it over the top you can cripple people fast. However the problem with competitive martial arts lies in the fact that you get the experience one on one. But competitive doesn’t translate well to someone with the intent to do harm. You have the confidence but when someone rips you nuts off, or bites chunks of flesh. You are not ready for that.

You want to learn to fight, you have to fight. Spot on.

@hpabla101

3 жыл бұрын

What happens if you don't want to fight, but the other person does?

I prefer Judo and Karate. Learn 10 ways in, 50 ways out, and have fun with training with live resistance.

@senseiSinclair

4 жыл бұрын

And spend more time on your feet than on the ground is a good thing in self defense.

@abdullaal-matri5185

4 жыл бұрын

Karate sucks, no punches to the face lol... imo muay thai and jiu jitsu are the most dominant, a good boxer can slip and counter too. But muay thai and bjj is basically mma, which is the best form of combat:)

@randomuser5443

4 жыл бұрын

Ian Sinclair The form I’m learning has us work to get the other person on the ground

@randomuser5443

4 жыл бұрын

Almatry 11 That’s why the form I’m learning isn’t a sport variant. We allow knocks to the head while sparing so we can practice head blocks

@user-th9ek3jl7b

4 жыл бұрын

@@abdullaal-matri5185 try Goju-Ryu Karate, it features live resistance sparring, punches to head, knees, elbows, even some throws

I'm not a martial arts practitioner by any means (I'm too overweight to even think of it), but I study religions, including Eastern ones, and what Morihei Ueshiba talked about seems to me to be pretty straightforward, but the person listening would have to have the proper background, which I imagine most of his students lacked. To sum it up very roughly: a) There are three broad kinds of martial arts: combat, sport, and spiritual. Someone who is very physically active usually begins practicing one for combat or sport purposes, and after a long time may end up interested into the spiritual aspects of the thing. A few approach it from the other angle, going straight for a spiritual one and then, maybe, getting interested in one or both of the other two aspects. But rarely a single martial art will have the three aspects. b) Shinto spiritual practices are by nature very physically oriented. Esoteric Shinto meditation (a.k.a chinkon), for example, isn't about sitting down, eyes half-closed, thinking. Rather, it's about every day to wear but a loincloth and six in the morning entering a half-frozen waterfall, stream or lake (or, for city dwellers, a cold shower, in Winter, with heating turned off) and moving VERY intensely in predetermined ways so as not to die from hypothermia but also get one's spirit (and four souls) activated. Do it right and you have a good shot at becoming a divine spirit (kami), usually after you die but sometimes even while still alive. c) Morihei Ueshiba began in the combat ways, then became spiritual. He also was a very devout Shintoist. So, it seems clear to me he modeled his own style on chinkon, as a complement and superset of it. If that's the case, the idea isn't bringing peace by means of using Aikido as a combat technique, but as a path towards "kamification". The students who get it, and arrive at the end goal, become divine spirits themselves, and *then* they can properly bring about world peace by means not of Aikido practice itself, but by using what they presumably achieve after achieving kaminess. That's my reading of it. So it makes sense that those who're interested in combat and/or sport will find it lacking, or even, if one's an Atheist or just non-religious, nonsensical. On the flip-side, for those interested in a martial art as a spiritual path, a purely combat or sports oriented art would equally feel lacking, as it feels devoid of content to them.

@humann5682

4 жыл бұрын

That's a very astute observation. Aikido to me, as a former student, turned out to be more like traditional Yoga than something like karate: It was a form of physical exercise that was designed to cultivate something on a deeper spiritual level. As apposed to being a straight fighting system. It's actual fairly common for Westerners in particular to misunderstand Asian culture and martial arts though.

@amuthi1

4 жыл бұрын

I would like to add that the misogi aspect (cleansing/purifiying) can be found in the techniques. Especially because these are the more inefficient ones concerning hurting the opponent (i.e. compared to the much bigger aikijujustsu curriculum) these techniques provide a narrow and difficult path to develope an effective but nonhurting execution which is conducive for everybody involved. An upheld intention of the attacker is therefore crucial for the person executing a technique (defender) to do the polishing/cleansing/purifying step by step.

I think the main reason any "style" could fail... is if there is no "REAL FULL CONTACT SPARRING"......that is the most important part of training...If anyone plans to take part in or establish any kind of martial art real Full contact sparring is essential.

@azmer41

4 жыл бұрын

not necessarily "full contact" is required just resistance

@hortinus

4 жыл бұрын

@@azmer41 No. You need full contact sparring to test the efficacy of any "style." People dont just resist, they attack as well.

@azmer41

4 жыл бұрын

@@hortinus full contact sparring is a fight lol not training

@grayalun

4 жыл бұрын

Not even the Thai boxers go full contact in sparring.

@adamfathi9638

4 жыл бұрын

@@hortinus not necessarily. In my style using full contact would be deadly for my training partner. We train almost like in real life situation but not at 100% if that makes sense.

Great journey! keep posting reality!

@MartialArtsJourney

4 жыл бұрын

🙏

You should interview Ellis Amdur. Like...you NEED to talk to Ellis Amdur, partly because he can relate to you (with his problems with the dojo culture) but partly because he's lightyears more informed about Aikido and other arts. Maybe even work with him a bit. Could provide some clarification.

You have really made a lot of thinking and researches about this subject, and you even talked to a friend of the founder. That is why I value your opinion on this matter more than the opinion of many other people. You have went through a lot, thanks for sharing, you re making a difference I think.

Hello there! I've discovered your channel this week, the content is very insightful and awesome, I've studied Aikido a long time ago and this year some ninjutsu and currently naginata (via zoom due to the pandemic). I'm currently without any dojo and trying to find a new path or retake the Aikido one, it is kinda the right budo for me but I admit and agree on its lacks. Remembering the training I had and crossing it with your experience and videos I've come to realize I had a very good sensei, but that because he was not only aikidoka, he had studied also karate and other disciplines I don't remember right now, and also military instructor. But the point is his teaching kinda escaped what aikido was supposed to traditionally be, he had us sparring, he complemented with other martial arts, it was very practical in that regard always had us thinking in the street scenario but even then he used to told us that against a knife or a gun, without any room to avoid the situation we should value our lifes over our ego, or the wallet, or the cellphone. The most funny part was he was a sensei in Ki Aikido, the most chill Aikido branch. TL;DR: My sensei used to complement aikido with other disciplines to give us a better base, what kinda proves the point Rokas makes.

@leusmaximusx

3 жыл бұрын

aikido is for cultivating peace in your heart during combat-its that kind of martial art. Rokas Sensei is just confused. Harmony techniques in combat is aikijujutsu...and it is a mix of strikes and throws from other arts like Muay Thai, karate kung fu , boxing. in combat there is no fix set of techniques but only what is most effective for specific moment. dont get confused like the owner of video, do aikido training again, as well as as other arts...dont get stuck in one, aikido doesnt prohibit other martial arts (we have same philosophy with your sensei, i do boxing and aikido on different days)

@andystark993

3 жыл бұрын

@@leusmaximusx By this point I forgot I commented here xDD Don't worry about the confusion part, I will get back to Aikido once the pandemic passes, in the meantime I search for dojos and continue naginata training :)

Hm... I don't know if I can agree. Well, first and foremost: I do believe that it does depend on where you learn Aikido and who teaches you. No resistance? In my dojo, the experienced Aikidoka will not budge if you do it wrong. We were even told not to go down automatically, but only if the uke makes us go down (well, the success of that of course depends on each person…). It's not always only choreography. Not when two experienced Aikidokas go seriously at each other. How can it even be choreographed if the attacker won't even know what technique the defender will use? And I think the reason why there might often times be no resistance is 1. so that people can actually practice the movements and 2. because we don't wanna hurt each other. And since not everyone is big and buff, Aikidokas will be careful with each other. Also, the philosophy of Aikido is not to get into a fight in the first place. While we don't advocate violence, I never heard any of the teachers in my dojo claim you shouldn't defend yourself if necessary. Aikido is non-competitive. There are people who practice it for recreational reasons. And while there are a few techniques that would work well in self-defense, self-defense isn't its primary goal (I also never heard anyone in my dojo claim that). Here's a question: Does it need to be competitive? No. People looking for competition or self defense (Krav Maga anyone?) have enough other options. I think Aikido is more like Qi Gong or Tai Chi. Are those competitive? They're not. Don't need to be. Another thing that's perhaps is not in Aikido's favor is that it takes so darn long to truly master… in our dojo, we say, as a white belt you learn the movements. As a black belt, you do the rest, the refinement. This just a view from my point. As I said: I think it always depends. On where you learn it. Who teaches it and what exactly he teaches. And what you yourself expect from Aikido. What parts you can take away for yourself. Perhaps many people approach it with the wrong expectation. But I think comparing it to Tai Chi or Qi Gong instead of, say, Muay Thai, Karate etc., is not a bad idea. The last thing I wanna say is: Aikido does have some things it can give to a fighter. The essence of Aikido is taking an opponents energy and diverting it or reverting it back against him (basically using physics). And when a master does it, and correctly - you're going to fly. Even better: If you manage to take other people's negative energies in everyday life and divert them, you might end up a calmer and more relaxed person (though that's easier said than done.) P.S.: I am really happy that you acknowledge how devastating some techniques could be. ;) And let's no Steven Seagals or any past stuff destroy the fun of Aikido. Because it has its good points too. And hey: Everyone has the martial art that suits him/her. Let's each one of us focus on those instead of the negatives of the others. Because they all have their good and their bad.

Aikido is the vegan version of Martial Arts

@jamesbyrne3033

4 жыл бұрын

All martial arts are vegan. At least I don't know of any martial arts that violently abuse animals.

@jamesbyrne3033

4 жыл бұрын

@@Svetty00 Their both great in a wrap, so hell yes.

I keep trying to tell this to my friends, who are interested in aikido, and they wont listen. "They'll make it work" they say

@Morgan423Z

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone I've seen trying to practically apply aikido ends up blending it with other things. There are useful bits in it, but from many people's experience, in the end, if your goal is actually practical self defense, you'll end up using 2% aikido and 98% other things you've trained.

@ivanjohan51

4 жыл бұрын

I would add something. O'sensei actually said in his memoirs that aikido has no form and will continue to develop. In a sense as long you believe in the 'not harming' it is still aikido. Wheter you use the technique that aikido teachers teach you or not. It doesnt really matter.

@me0101001000

4 жыл бұрын

You can definitely apply Aikido and Wing Chun in fights...... if you have a background in an actual fighting system first. There's a guy at my MMA gym with primary backgrounds in BJJ and Dutch Kickboxing who pulled off an aikido move on one of the guys in a live round. We didn't see it coming, and when we asked him about it, he was pretty adamant that the only reason he pulled it off is because of his BJJ and a bit of Judo that he learned. I'm primarily a striker and I feel that way with Capoeira. There's a lot of cool things that you can adopt from Capoeira, but I don't think I would ever be able to pull any of those things off without my Muay Thai training.

@sampokemppainen3041

4 жыл бұрын

"you don't know the style i train."

@humann5682

4 жыл бұрын

It depends on what people mean by "works". I've seen Aikido used IRL by a bouncer in the bar I used to work at and in some videos online. I've seen many more examples of people trying to fight someone with Aikido and getting their asses kicked. Aikido is useless in a fight situation. Be that in an MMA or combat sport type fight, or an altercation out in the world. Once punches/kicks/takedowns start flying, Aikido is useless. That said, Aikido may have some utility in the _preemptive_ stage of an altercation. When it's just verbal, it hasn't turned in to a fight yet. I've seen people use Aikido to restrain someone who was waving their finger in someone's face while mouthing off. I've seen some blindside a drunk at the bar who was harrassing a barmaid and put him in a wristlock before be knew what was happening. Now, most martial arts can be used preemptively I suppose. And there are some like Boxing or Judo that don't have the learning curve of Aikido. So, I would summarise Aikido as something that has a niche use in the preemptive stages of an altercation, but still requires a high level of skill and a long time of training to use in such limited circumstances.

You mentioned that top level Ueshiba students had other martial arts background. That's not coincide but consistent pattern. The reasons why it happens lies in different planes and to simply I may say that the one of the most important reasons is difference between modern Aikido and old Daito-ryu methodology. Daito-ryu has three simple to understanding ways to perform techniques. The first one is jujutsu. It gives you a clue how to attack joints and drop opponent down by attacking the joints. The second one is aikijujutsu which very simplified means 'jujutsu moderated by aiki'. So you use your aiki to take advantage and finish with your jujutsu techniques. The third one is aikinojutsu or you may say 'pure aiki'. For that one you use your aiki to lock opponent joints and drop him down. Hard to swallow pill of Aikido is that the most of Ueshiba teaching that preserved in terms of Daito-ryu are aikijujutsu and aikinojutsu. Most of jujutsu that Ueshiba performed had been abandoned. So it's not too complex to understand that students that had already experience in some martial arts (may threaten as jujutsu way) learned aiki thru practice aikijujutsu and aikinojutsu and then moderate own techniques by this skill. For zero-level practitioner modern Aikido do not affords actually basics - jujutsu way. So attempts to get aiki thru this kind of practice looks like colossus with feet of clay. Practitioner may get aiki for some reason but don't have jujutsu basics to use advantage that aiki offers. I heard rumors that some Aikido teachers start from jujutsu way and do not teach aiki at the beginning. It that case problem still exists 'cause forms that they teach copying from Ueshiba aikijujutsu understanding and can't be done without aiki moderation.

Aikido saved me from being mugged by 2 undesirables in NYC. I'm a 4th kyu in Aikido. So you understand: It takes 9 kyus (levels) to attain your first black belt. A 4th kyu is 4 levels away from black belt. I'm just a novice still. I'm from the Jersey shore about an hour from New York City. I had to meet somebody around 9:00 p.m. in Manhattan for drinks. Long story short, two adult males approached me as I was walking. They told me to give them my wallet and watch. The one had a knife and the other didn't have anything showing. If they had a firearm they probably would have showed that instead of the knife so I knew that they most likely didn't have a gun on them. It all happened so fast as if I've known Aikido my entire life. I grabbed the wrist of the one guy that was holding the knife and I performed an upward palm strike to that scumbag's chin knocking him back on the ground. He was talking as I did it and it seems he bit his tongue really bad because there was blood everywhere. And the other one I brought down really quick with a move to where later I found out I had dislocated his shoulder. The second scumbag ran away and while the first one was still on the ground. I got on top of him and put him in an arm lock to where I was in total control and could break his arm if I wanted. If he struggled it would only cause him immense pain so he just laid there as I had him in the lock. There were two people as witnesses and I asked them to call the police who came in like 3 minutes because they were actually right around the corner walking towards us. The reason why I fought instead of giving them my wallet and my watch is because even if I had given them what they wanted they still could have hurt me for thrills. There's a lot of sick/sadistic people out there who get enjoyment out of hurting others. I didn't even have to think about what to do it just happened so naturally and so quick. It's like my sensei was inside me and just took over. Now I'm not a fighter whatsoever and would rather walk or run away from people like this but they were blocking me and I had nowhere to go and I knew I had to strike first and as hard as I could to avoid injury or worse. It was a very scary situation that I was never in before but thank God I have been going to Aikido classes for the past 2 years to where I knew how to defend myself it seems more than the average person on the street.

youre a true martial artist. constantly searching for truth. no bias. trial and error. love your channel mate. you added what was useful, rejected what was useless, and constantly adding on what is essentially yours../

Aikido is rod fishing, while MMA is net fishing. The first method is learning to harmonize with your opponent, while the second method is to overwhelm with any means necessary. Once you understand that the purpose of training is different, you won't compare them to each other anymore. You will simply practice according to what you are looking for.

@peterkhew7414

4 жыл бұрын

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True. The only advantage of Aikido that I can think of is that Aikido has perhaps the most comprehensive list of ukemis

I think most small joint techniques are descended from feudal law enforcement techniques, and meant to be applied to semi-complaint opponents in the first place. Trying to apply them to "fighting", much less to self defense encounters is crazy. There are other parts of Aikido that can be made effective, irimi nage and some of the footwork and pivoting movements are demonstrably practical if approached that way.

If you haven't, check out the works of Ellis Amdur. Amazing amazing writings. Put simply - Ueshiba was an amazing martial artist. He had something special. The majority of his students did not. Some did, but in different ways. Amdur does a great job of trying to figure out why, and what's left. That being said, I know aikidoka that are firebreathing-dragons whom I would walk down any back-alley with. To quote one famous aikidoka when asked (basically) "Why doesn't aikido work?", he responded. "Aikido works. YOUR aikido may not work. Please don't confuse the two."

Back in the 90s i trained in Jujitsu (under a sensei associated with the American Jujitsu Association) and got my 3rd kyu after about 4 years (a brown belt under this system). I quit when I went to Grad school. And while we learned punches and kicks, if you see it performed it looks like a dirty version of Aikido. Like Aikido it lacks pressure testing (but not as much as Aikido). And while it didn't have the pacifistic philosophy of the akido, there was an emphasis on using leverage, leverage, and the attacker's force, the instruction essentially taught that strength was unimportant. Looking back, there were certain realities about strength that I didn't realize. 1) One's Strength is important. It certainly recognizes the strength of the opponent (since you are using the strength against the opponent/attacker) However, philosophically, it does not see any role of strength on the martial art. 2) If you consistently practiced, part of the reason why your technique worked and improved was because you developed functional strength as you trained. All those kicks, the grappling, the throws you gave, the falls you experienced, those resulted in a gradual increase of strength. 3) It is possible to specifically train for functional strength. For example, kettlebells and macebells can increase all sort of muscles, including your arms, shoulders, and grip strength. I think in 2020 this is increasingly recognized, but in the 90s, I don' tthink functional strength training was respected. 4) Sometimes the reason why a technique did not work was due to a lack of strength, not lack of skill. At any rate, I think you are correct that a big flaw in Akido training is the lack of "pressure testing." However, I am willing to bet, that that another flaw, possibly a bigger flaw, is simply its mistaken view of flow. It emphasizes flow so much that it inevitable results in a fighting where use of strength is seen as incorrect, or wrong. While I think two things being equal, the person who need less strength to perform his/her techniques is probably the better martial artist, strength does play a role, and being able to use it is something that one should learn as part of their training. But here is the rub, it is one thing to develop efficient technique and showing efficient use of force. It is quite another thing try to push an ideal of the performance of a technique without the use of strength. Its contradictory, its confusing, and it can hold people back and put them at risk.

I think part of the confusion of the "peacefulness" of Aikido, confuses the classical definition of peace: a state of order and justice, versus the hippie definition peace: non-violence. Morihei Ueshiba definitely used the classical definition.

@jaketheasianguy3307

4 жыл бұрын

Ueshiba himself fought in WW2 so he understood the only way to shut down violence fast is to use violence. Something not alot of modern aikidoka understand

There was this television show, "Stan Lee's superhumans" that showcased people with extraordinary abilities. In it this one man had a reaction speed so fast that he could slice bullets in half when they shot at him in the show. I think it's possible that Akido's founder had a similar ability because in order to do a lot of the techniques you would just about have to know exactly what your opponent is going to do.

What happens if try your first Wing Chun Or Taekwondo class soon in upcoming video, What, Where & When ever do you like to prefer.

It takes both sides to want peace, to have peace. But human nature is to fight, just as much. So, peace is not always possible.

You just said it all, it’s in the way you train it and the person, not always the Art, I know plenty of MMA fighter who can’t fight and have been learning it for a long time. We need to get away from ‘calling’ out the arts. Basically YOU do YOU, and I’ll DO Me .....we need to love each other’s arts you can learn from each other. ..

@lionsden4563

4 жыл бұрын

MMA fighter who can't fight? What in the blue hell are you talking about? 100% of pure traditional Aikidoka can't fight for crap. That's a fact.

@TheInfantry98

4 жыл бұрын

Ismail Is The Name nothing but punching bags honestly.

@Arcsecant

4 жыл бұрын

Aikido is dance, not a martial art. This is what people need to understand. It's like capoeira without the danger of kicking someone in the face.

@paulbuckfield4599

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you lol

I think O Sensei is a bad example for modern aikidoka. He was a tough guy, physically fit and took many challenges from other martial artists. Modern Aikido is only his spiritual and peaceful vision at the end of his long martial arts journey. He was used to train with martial arts masters, which were obviously as fit and badass as him. Most aikidokas today are the absolute opposite

@humann5682

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Ueshiba himself didn't learn Aikido. He learnt Daito Ryu from Sōkaku, who himself was by all accounts a bonafide bad ass ( lifetime training martial arts, son of an actual Samurai and Sumo wrestler, regularly travelled Japan to engage in challenge fights). Usehiba also trained with a lot of talented martial artists. Guys who were ex Sumo wrestlers or high ranking Judoka or had a lot of study in Koryu. He was also a professional martial artist who trained most of the week. All that is far from the what the standard Aikido practioner does. Like you say, Ueshiba is not a good example of the typical Aikido practioner.

Aikido be like: You can be a body builder without lifting heavy weights

@gxtmfa

4 жыл бұрын

Calisthenics?

@Sujiceel

4 жыл бұрын

@@gxtmfa Unlike Aikido, you can get amazing results in 2 years via Calisthenics.

@Fredjo

4 жыл бұрын

@@gxtmfa Show me a calisthenic bodybuilder lol

@judahsawyerr9348

4 жыл бұрын

genetics

@Sujiceel

4 жыл бұрын

@@Fredjo Austin Dunham

Remember yours is a MA journey. I feel like you’ve stagnated. Yes we know Aikido have deficiencies as a MA, and yes bjj is very effective (however the sport area starting to dominate is making it less so). So would be great to see how you continue to evolve rather than the ‘Aikido is bad/bjj better’ when that door was closed long ago....

@MartialArtsJourney

4 жыл бұрын

This is just a reflection in order to summarize and reflect in order to draw inspiration to move forward. If you're interested in my progression you can check my new channel "The Journey" where I explore where I should evolve into, currently by digesting what happened up until now. It's true that at the moment I talk more about the past, but that's in order to settle it and to move forward :)

@m5a1stuart83

4 жыл бұрын

Yep... Sport BJJ need to adapt in MMA. There is no way Sport Judo and Sport BJJ just fit right there in MMA not with modification in training regime.

@Fredjo

4 жыл бұрын

Do you always tell people what "journey" are they on and to stop talking about anything else? What kind of a narcissistic freak does that. If you're triggered by reality that's your own battle to win, whining about someone else's youtube channel won't help you.

@BenjamUniverse

4 жыл бұрын

He needs those aikido troll views. lol.

@TimothySamJolly

4 жыл бұрын

It’s called an opinion Paul. And unlike your ❄️❄️ triggered self I’m sure Rokus is fine with my constructive criticism. Mainly because I’ve been watching this channel from day one and just felt he had left Aikido with ‘my relationship to Aikido now’ video a year ago. But he obviously spent decades in Aikido so it’s tough to make a 100% break. I LOVED his chatting with other MA masters rather than a ‘will Aikido work’ segments. I look forward to seeing where he goes from here....

I am on board with that mission! And you're right, that's completely what O-Sensei was trying to do. I don't think he really cared whether or not Aikido was effective in a fight. And I think you're right that the current Shihans like Yamada were sent out into the world as young men with a good grasp of technique but not necessarily a real understanding of the core mission or how to accomplish it. To be honest, given all that I'm amazed at how well it's worked for me and my training partners. I've been practicing for over 20 years now and the Aikido philosophy makes up a great part of who I am and how I relate to others. I think this is the only place where we disagree; in my experience just practicing the techniques (with a little bit of the philosophy explained) can change a person and help them grow into a badass. Not a badass who wins fights, but a powerful, moral person who knows how to think about conflict in a healthy way. It's not perfect by any means, but as systems for personal growth go I think it's better than many others. The primary reason I train is to give and receive love. At this point the love and joy I share with my training partners is electric and overwhelming. I think that's one of the primary things the practice has to offer; that boundless joyful loving feeling shows that you're connected to another person in a very powerful and rewarding way, and that connection can be used to resolve conflicts of many kinds. Not so much the street violence kind, but certainly the more run-of-the mill conflict we all deal with from day to day. I sometimes get that feeling when I train BJJ, but nowhere near as often. This whole "exchange" has inspired me to get back to seeking that feeling deliberately during my BJJ training, so thank you. I agree that Aikido is doing an inconsistent job of delivering that message and helping people reach that goal, but I don't think it's doing a terrible job. BJJ does that job too. I don't know if it does it better or worse really, I think it's close. But I do know that not everyone can bring themselves to get past some of the barriers to BJJ training, like the close contact and so on. I think a lot of those people could find their way up the mountain in an Aikido dojo. I think there is a place for both.

Why no one point out that aikido is weapon based. With weapons in the hand of one or the other it gives you that lever effect that makes aikido technics relevant. Technics are being demonstrated empty-handed, theoretically feasible, but a handicap in real life situation. And yes, « we ll make it work » attitude is the right mindset for any martial art. Giving up, is no defeat for an art, but for the artist.

The best video on Aikido I've seen so far. I still think that it is a good form of training after certain age because it is less traumatic and more harmonious. It is also a good introduction into martial arts on condition that the person switches to Judo or a competitive style of Karate after getting into shape. Regarding BJJ, it is the best both for competition and safety among competitive martial arts. But it prepares only partially for "street situations". But this is a different topic.

Exactly my thoughts, recently I started to train bjj and I find it very close to aiki element of Ueshiba.

While I agree with you from aikidoka pov, it is effective as long as you practice feeling for the timing point of attack. Also not everyone who trained would understand what Ueshiba did in his training/teaching.

@smartgenes1

3 жыл бұрын

@Tam Ago a lot has to do with the relationship between the attacker and attacked.. where they are just falling this way or that way because that is what they are meant to do it has nothing to do with reality.. but it's not designed for a sparring bout like how he is trying to assess it, it's meant for a situation where you are attacked by someone probably bigger and stronger, and you have to act right in one moment. Not to "fight" but to immobilise them quickly before you get your ass kicked.

Morihei Ueshiba presented Robert Nadeau with a scroll that translates as "Do the aikido that cannot be seen with the human eye". Sounds familiar??? Rickson Gracie speaks of "invisible jiu jitsu" all the time.

Same thing seems to have happened to Bujinkan.

@sampokemppainen3041

4 жыл бұрын

Bujinkan, aikido, wingchun. Each of them are based in speculation rather than practical application.

@humann5682

4 жыл бұрын

@@sampokemppainen3041 Thing is Usehiba's teacher Takeda was a bonafide fighter by most accounts. He learned Koryu but his dad was also a Samurai and Sumo wrestler. He travelled Japan and engaged in challenge matches (actual fights). He was a fighter. Ueshiba fell in with a spiritual leader (Deguchi) who for political reasons encouraged Ueshiba to abandon Takeda and make his own martial art, which was about forwarding a spiritual system (and covertly a political ideology). The contrast is marked: you had someone who was a martial artist and a fighter. You had another guy who changed his martial art not to make it a better fighting system, but to forward a religious/political ideology.based on the motivations to change it, it's little wonder Aikido doesn't function well as a fighting system.

@wilkeesia7710

3 жыл бұрын

@@humann5682 in other words, aikido is a cult

I truly respect your sacrifice. It would be VERY hard to give up on something because you recognize the truth. Many people CAN'T let go. I love watching aikido, but to say that it is anything more than a dance is lying to yourself.

Too much attention is paid to techniques when trying to understand O sensei’s message. In other martial arts techniques serve to be a means to an end, you are compelling an opponent to yield to your will through force. That end is limited by the martial artist’s own judgment which may be guided by a refined sense of truth or corrupted by an allure of power. Aikido’s techniques serve as a means to a beginning, to create something higher from the conflict. The act of Aikido is an act of training our ability to listen fearlessly to the moment with our whole being to find harmony from chaos while doing our best to protect our partner by compelling them to do the same.

@i-v-l9335

4 жыл бұрын

People that are trying to hurt you are not your partner

@Fredjo

4 жыл бұрын

Spare us the TL;DR and show us a video where you use aikido effectively in a real fight, everything else is just talk.

When is your next fight?

What i would say is that in aikido you have to kind of retrain your brain in terms of the natural instinct to block. I think experienced aikidoka would understand that for it to work, you have to have the confidence to recieve an attack, blend with it, and neutralise. So for a realistic defence you would occasionaly have to use a strike or at least threaten a strike before doing a technique. Also i think you have to train regularly, as there is definately a 'feel' that you only get through training. And i suppose you cant really compare it to other martial arts, as its essentially purely based on defence. Its highly unlikely that on the street you will come up against an aggressive bjj practitioner. Ive always thought of it as something you dont brag about, but when you need to, and are able, things like sankyo or kote gaeshi can really immobilise an attacker, to the point that they are completely at your mercy. Aikido is a gentle art, but in a real street situation those big beautiful sweeping moves u see in dojos get concentrated down and sped up. Thats when u see how painful those techniques can be. Its not an art where u stand in a ring and 'fight' someone. Its knowledge that gives you a calm confidence in a real attack, but you have to be realistic too, chances are you would have to strike, but then you have the technique to end the attack quickly through wristlocks etc.

Well, this time I need to point you something Rokas: choking out the guy is not the best way to control an angry person you don't want to hurt or kill. I train cops and train with them and thats a recurrent issue. Here in Brazil, every few days we have news about a policeman or a bouncer that choked someone and acidentally killed the guy, for example this one last year: kzread.info/dash/bejne/n52lpNClkcTVYLw.html Jiu jitsu have a lot of better options if you can go for the full commitment, like a simple armlock our a kimura. And if don't have the numeric superiority to commit yourself on the ground or if you are not in a safe area, I would go with any stand up techinique like aikido kotegaeshi or even a few punches. If you google for it you'll find hundreds of acidental kills by choking, it is definately not the same thing of training.

@marceloefaria

4 жыл бұрын

And like always, GREAT content and a very important discussion. TY

i think about starting aikido. i did judo when i was young for 3-4 years. should i still try aikido or should i go bsck to judo ?

@efg1605

3 жыл бұрын

The older you are, the better aikido will be for you.

@Auerc0re

3 жыл бұрын

@@kampfwicki i am into meditation im also kind of fit (not like a top athlete but still) i dont have a physically depending job and only working out gets pretty boring.

Rokas, i want to ask you something. Is it possible for us to think that aikido is just a traditional japanese body combat excercise? Beacause if we look to its phillosphy of non fighting, avoiding fighting, make peace and harmony, no resistent in training, and a soft technique that made it not effective in fighting. I dont think osensei made this martiar art for fighting or self defense situation in the first place

Would like to hear the long story of Shodokan (Tomiki) aikido if you are so inclined one of these days

The story of Koichi Tohei and the western wrestler is from the "Rendevous with Adventure" short film; you can find it here on KZread. Basic gist of the film is two Americans go to Japan for some adventure, go to the opening of the Tokyo TV transmitter (the one that is a replica of the Eiffel Tower), then go train in Aikido under Ō-Sensei and his assistants, with the two Americans looking like the completely clueless noobs they are at the beginning, and slowly improving. During their training, they film a "challenge" of western wrestling vs. aikido. The challenge was played up for the film: Ō-Sensei ordered Tohei not to hurt the guy, and the director also wanted Tohei to give a little at first so the star of the film wouldn't look like a total chump. Tohei plays around at first, but then his hakama gets ripped and he drops the wrestler.

yes! aikido, as an art, is awesome. but for fighting it should be modified, evolved for real situations. anyway, it can be used as it is in some situations. Great content as always!

@MartialArtsJourney

4 жыл бұрын

🙏

@scheisstag

4 жыл бұрын

As Rokas already explained: he tried to evolve Aikido and failed. And in my opinion he did so because its impossible to make Aikido effective. And in my opinion there is no self defense situation that can be expected often in streetfights and for which Aikido has a reliable answer for. There are some wristlocks that would work reliable. But you will have to get into a lot of streetfights until you will get into a situation that allows you to use such a technique. (I have a masters in sport and lifelong experiences in eastern and western martial arts.)

@thagontube1115

4 жыл бұрын

scheisstag dude you explained this perfectly, I wanted to respond but couldn’t find the right words. I have a black belt in Taekwondo and I’m studying Kyokushin and Muay Thai at the moment, I spent a few weeks doing an aikido class with my instructor and just could never understand how you could use that for a fight. Considering our tang soo do sparring was mma rules.

@jaketheasianguy3307

4 жыл бұрын

The only way to evolve Aikido is to just straight up remove it's philosophy of "not hurting your opponent" and re apply techniques that are meant to hurt other people

@scheisstag

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaketheasianguy3307 But wouldnt it be MMA in hakamas than, if you remove all the non working techniques and replace them with working ones?

I'm glad you mention Shihonage I find the way aikido does that technique the "nice" way compared to Daito Ryu. If you look at the comparison, if you do Shihonage the real way the person is definitely going to the ER if not dead. I've felt both and I'll tell you the Daito way is so much tighter and has a way worse break fall at the higher level.

*So was there a functionaf form first that got watered down, ? .. Because I have seen videos debunking aikido as a martial art, and now I hear 'broken bones & split heads..So what is it ?

@jaketheasianguy3307

4 жыл бұрын

The root of Aikido was mostly from Aiki jiujitsu of Daito-ryu. The difference here is you break your opponent limbs or choke them out with Daito-ryu techniques. Aikido's idea is just throwing your opponent with his own momentum and didn't inflict any damage to him or yourself in the process, which is bullshit

I once tried to stop a drunken friend from fighting someone else by restraining him in a way that doesn’t hurt him. The stupid bastard turned his fists on me. Lesson learned: If one guy is trying to hurt you and you are trying your best not to hurt him, you are cruising for an ass-kicking! If you don’t wanna fight, don’t. If you have to, go all in. A half-assed effort may be more “noble” in theory, but it will guarantee you’ll get a free ride on an ambulance!

@sampokemppainen3041

4 жыл бұрын

Well, knowing how expensive it is, free ride on ambulance sounds kinda tempting. :D

@P1015532oni

4 жыл бұрын

Sampo Kemppainen 😂

@anon2034

4 жыл бұрын

Good point!

@raksh9

3 жыл бұрын

The problem there is that you were trying to restrain a friend and not hurt him, but he was willing to hurt you. Then there's the potential problem of his opponent coming into the picture if you did manage to restrain him. That situation is a losing proposition any way you look at it.

@P1015532oni

3 жыл бұрын

raksh9 i fully agree with you there.

hmm... acording to the book by Ueshiba (did I spell this right) there where broken hands and other injuries so aikido is not that peacefull even when performed by O sensei. Also the competition aspect (again according to the same book) as far as I remember was because competition in the ring does impose additional rules and limitations and false feeling of fair - while in real combat there is no such thing as fairness. Paradoxically lack of the competition did made the aikido practice feeling too safe and removed the resistance which leads to... bad aikido and fake feeling of it working when it would not. This is how I understand the reasons for not softening aikido to a ring sport where - now there seem to be a lot of misconceptions in aikido even coming from some high level practitioners as all excersices and practice forms are not real aikido - aikido is to adapt and to harmonize with the opponent and not to perform an specific technique. and even though performing technique without harming an opponent should be the ideal goal it is not the main point. But I also think it is valid point that to learn fighting or selfdefense one has to fight and practice selfdefense, one should practice aikido to learn aikido.

Hello, I saw some of the videos you made where you explain the importance of the lack of "pressure" in art or that you feel that it is useless or that since it is not practiced directly because it is customary, it does not have the functionality that you expect? Or even worse, did you take it to the test and feel insecure or did it not work? so my question is! is it aikido that fails? or is it the person who practices? or failing that, what can it be, the relationship of both?. With all due respect, someone who did very little martial arts is speaking to you, but like everyone I feel. And I realized that you feel what works and what doesn't, by practicing you live what works and what doesn't because you are doing/suffering when doing and receiving the technique. I admire the martial journey that you are doing since you recognize that something is not right, but have you ever thought that martial art merges with the personality of the person who practices it? and that as time goes by some things come out and others not so much?. So how much heart and effort did you put into practicing more than 15 years of aikido to not use it as you mentioned in a video. I believe, in my opinion, that it is time to train much more than when you started in aikido and why not take YOUR limits beyond. Doing what you think you need, using what you have already learned! The good thing about martial arts is that you can still reason by moving your body and sometimes better... move your body and reason! Greetings and hope you serve.

Aikido does help people that have zero fitness, coordination and and mostly zero confidence and maybe even fear to try a real martial art. From there you can continue with something more practical like you did. So for me Aikido has the most important place from all martial arts - giving a hand to the weak and showing them the way to strength and confidence in themselves. Besides, the normal people don't want to have troubles with real martial arts fighters so they don't need to compare themselves with them.

I find it mind blowing that someone spends so much time on this...1) check out Florian Dau's Flo Fight & Fitness channel, the video 'Aikido vs Aikijutsu und Gote Gaeshi wird gesperrt' where he explains the difference between Aikijutsu and what O Sensei turned into Aikido (KZread has a translation function) 2) then to all the keyboard warriors out there, no, there was no UFC in medieval Japan 3) and when you check out the channel of Florian Dau, pay attention to his physical fitness in comparison to the fitness level of most Aikido, WT etc. practitioners.

It's strictly defensive, but some of the defensive styles that you learn can be used in any other fighting form. Cross training Aikido with a fighting form that is similar in defensive techniques can be effective like karate. Aikido delivers what's it's intended to deliver and that's defense against the bigger stronger more aggressive opponent

I think it all goes down to belief system. As Matt Thornton also told me in an interview on my channel, the only reason why "fantasy based martial arts" exist is the same reason why astrology still exists nowaday. There is no way we can overcome this only by logical thinking, aikido is mythical, esoteric, historical, ... etc and a lot of people love that.

@JSmithski

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I remember meeting bio energy therapists in my dojo. Those people believed all kinds of weird shit. Funny thing is that after 25 years now they are all 3rd Dan and still can’t fight.

I been thinking about getting into Aikido and, this is in spite of what you explained here. I believe it does have a positive aspect which is keep people healthy and in shape. Will I do Aikido to learn how to fight? No! But as a middle aged man with some physical issues I think Aikido will be something that would be diverse and dynamic enough to maintain and even improve my muscular skeletal structure and aid me with my mental focus.I have ADHD and I this could be part of my focus training. Just a thought.

@LongInTheTooth1

4 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong! If you're not interested in learning how to fight Aikido can really help with all those things.

@GuitarsRockForever

4 жыл бұрын

You could also learn yoga which helps.

@JSmithski

4 жыл бұрын

Aikido is a bit more entertaining than yoga but you’ll meet a lot of weird people in both places anyway. Aikido is fun, just not a fighting system.

@efg1605

3 жыл бұрын

Aikido is the right thing for you. And it works as self defense. But not in the way rokas showed in his sparing with the mma guy. Nor in that situation.

Interesting that you mention Robert Nadeau. I remember talking to him nearly 50 years ago at one of the Bay Area schools.

I was a fighter before i learned Aikido i studied Tang Soo Do BaGua Zhang Yin Style i fell in love with aikido because of Randori

Hi, folks! Found this video like on occasion. The authors talks about an intersting things and thougts as well. Go on! Greetings from russain tomiki club!

it's little known but there's actually some things from Kung Fu and grappling better kind of been adapted within actually the therapeutic Community that are called therapeutic holds and they're used to hold back aggressive patients Do they work? They seem too but I never really had to use them. It seems like a modified version of what I was taught in some jkd classes. It mainly removes any striking or actual locks and just kind of restrains them.

I think aikido, just like taichi, was meant as the NEXT LEVEL for accomplished martial artists, but not meant to be an independant art on their own.

@keelobrown4991

3 жыл бұрын

Bruh its trash for fighting. Its barely the tutorial, let alone the "next" level.

Have you tried Tomiki brand of Aikido? Also, why dont you create your own brand of Aikido?

@jaketheasianguy3307

4 жыл бұрын

Because learning how other style of martial arts work better than Aikido is a better solution than burry yourself deeper into it's hole, knowing modern Aikido itself only doesn't work at all

It’s a gentle art that’s too dangerous to spar/compete with. Brilliant

Aikido was never meant to be a combat fighting art, but mind body training for self defense. No trained fighter would give you their balance. I Managed the NY Aikikai in the 1980's

@johnfredrickson7215

4 жыл бұрын

Every martial art stresses mind body training. Even "fighting" arts.

@jaketheasianguy3307

4 жыл бұрын

Learning martial arts are basically learning how to fight effectively. Modern Aikido doesn't work at all, therefore it failed as a martial arts. There's no martial in it, only art because the katas actually very beautiful to look at

@humann5682

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnfredrickson7215 Yeah but at least Aikido has actual breathing and postural exercises that work on the mental side. Many other martial arts give lip service to the mind body connection. Punching or kicking the air for some Kata or poomse isn't "meditation" or doesn't unlock some mystical powers deep within us. It's just superficial nonsense some people buy in to for the most part.

@johnfredrickson7215

4 жыл бұрын

Hu Mann Your comment is a perfect example of Aikidoka professing superiority over other disciplines with absolutely no basis in fact and avoidance of pressure testing.

Could you make a video about Brazilian Capoeira?

I think Aikido is in the same situation as Taiji Quan. They are designed for people who already know how to fight, or learn to fight aside or even don't want to fight at all. They have their roots in fighting but their purpose is different. They are moving philosophy. Like a flower take it's roots in dirt, those arts take their roots in violence and like the root of the flower they transform into something of beauty. It's pointless to try to retroingineer it back into fighting. The purpose is to transcend yourself in the practice. To learn about yourself. To make art.

Rokas, I would really like you to interview this Brazilian Shihan, called Wagner Bull. He's got very firm opinions on how most Aikido schools nowadays don't work properly. He says they practice Takemusu Aiki, which, according to him, is the highest level in Aikido and Ueshiba's last creation. And for Aikido to properly work it would have to include all those aspects. Please, give it a try, he's super enthusiastic about Aikido, speaks English, as well as his sons (they practice Aikido since going kids, one is a reknowned doctor in São Paulo, 6th Dan, the other is s lawyer, 5th Dan). I'm sure it would be a very interesting interview. Regards. Here's the link: kzread.info

When you need to controll family member it is nit a good idea to stand and bang with them. Thats for different sittuation. But for me worked well to take them down to the ground, msintain wrist controll, knee on belly and get help from others to help with controll and then calm him down or take him home.

You can practice Aikido philosophy using any set of techniques that you like. What do you think that aikido philosophy is? There is more too it than the defense without violence thing.

what about Hapkido is that any good ? or is it as bad as the rest of the Martial Arts?

Yes my favorite teacher Teacher Koichi Tohei and his student Maryama sensei

Hey, hey, I did not hurt them, they hurt themselves. I used Aikido to great effect on the Door in Logan, Qld. I not only restored peace, but put the fear of the unknown in any witness(let them tell the others, beware of him!!! Got no idea what he does, but it's something bad"). It kept the peace on all my shifts. No one was game, I am 5.8ft 78kg(172 pounds). Aikido works. If they up the ante, so do I! I cannot help if they run at me and hit a wall!

Choking out someone and making them unconscious as the best way to minimise damage to an attacker - you think that is the the approach to self defense that has the least amount of risks to an attacker ? Choking someone brings about grave risks to the person being choked - reduction of oxygen to the brain for instance, potential for strokes and brain damage as well.

what is the point of the activity? to kill each other? score points? I think the rules define what is effective and what is not.

you can make aikido work with your experience in mma fights. this would be a revolution in aikido field

@chopsueykungfu

4 жыл бұрын

He said it would never work in another video.

@Sira628

4 жыл бұрын

@@chopsueykungfu i would tried it

@Fredjo

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sira628 Try it then.

@Sira628

4 жыл бұрын

@@Fredjo i dont know aikido. u tryit

@jaketheasianguy3307

4 жыл бұрын

He used aikido to spar with an MMA fighter, he lost terribly. It will never work unless the technique user remove it's philosophy off his head and start hurting his opponent

i am going to the full vid. i will leave my comment there.

@MartialArtsJourney

2 жыл бұрын

🙏👌

Just recreate that hell dojo environment then. I don't agree with complete pascifism. I don't agree with complete cooperation. I still see a benefit to training the art. In fact I love it and am very sad I can't train in it right now because of the coronavirus pandemic. I think the philosophy of aikido embraces self-improvement. It's about maturity of the mind and the spirit but you have to put the work in. You have to train with brutes and learn to handle different body types and intensities. This, I believe, truly forges your spirit as you adapt to multiple types of bodies and personalities. At the end of the day, anyone can train in Aikido, but not everyone is cut out for it. They must become it. Fail? Good! Keep going! Peak martial artists embody obsessive and undying passionate commitment. Then there are patterns you will notice among other arts. You have to just let go and not worry about you vs someone else. You can always keep refining yourself.

I as a former practicioner had same opinion as you but... I changed my mind recently after listening to what Edward Norton said about aikido on JRE. It inspired me to think, and suddenly I saw the possibility that Morihei Ueshiba had actually achieved the state where his aikido would work the way as it is presented - and he really mastered it - and was able to face real adversity in aikido way with real strength. Remember he fought in wars, he wasn't a naive student who joins aikido because he's afraid of sparring. And as he achieved the mastery, out of the strength, not out of weakness and fear, he chose this way: the aiki way. But it's very likely that no one of his students were able to achieve this state, where their aikido would be able to face real adversity... and they only took the peace part and the legacy of his philosophy; then out of misunderstanding, all these problems you decribe creeped in. Give it benefit of the doubt. I think this is very likely. The same happened to legacy of Jesus, Buddha, and many others. Their legacy got misinterpretted because no one was great enough to pass it on...

@johnfredrickson7215

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it's true O'Sensei went through some fire to develop Aikido, but at some point he was no longer challenged. Sure there are stories of "challenges", but eventually he becomes an "untouchable". No one was going to offer a true challenge to him out of reverence. Same thing for modern Aikido teachers. They rely so much on reverence and faithful subservient students that their technique is truly tested. How many times have we had a turn as uke and had an instructor or Sr. student throw or lock too hard just to appear superior and you knowing perfectly well that if you were free to be non-compliant you'd easily best them. Terrible thinking as a student, but I can't help to think this when abused by a Sr.

If a boxer never did any sparing or fighting against a live resisting opponent, will they be any good?

@grayalun

4 жыл бұрын

I've only heard of one Michael Yarde he's pretty good tbf, not sure if he'd be better with live sparring or not and he's super athletic so again hard to tell if his natural attributes carry him further despite not sparring.

@jamesbyrne3033

4 жыл бұрын

Oh my no.

competition among friends is different of competing for pride or money or simply fighting for pride , money or hate. Defense is one thing and using violence to defend is one thing and not what many pseudo senseis of many arts teach. Trains hard, compete friendly, defend yourself without hate, use violence proportionally. The problem is not killing, the problem is hate. BJJ choking is violent if the teacher is not a peaceful man. Peace comes from the heart. Judo is superior. Senior Judo learning BJJ are more peaceful.

the correct path in aikido is first learn to move then to atemi then techniques then being peaceful ,then studying other martial arts with the peaceful spirit ,then applying the kinesiology ,methodology and other principles you ve learned..in everyday life

Yeah but at the sametime...bjj is bloody expensive

I simply don't believe the stories about Ueshiba and his students being amazing fighters. I think what they did is very similar to what aikido is now. Ueshiba really started martial arts around 30 years old and studied a few months with Sokaku Takeda when he was at his house, and suddenly he would be a very skilled fighter? I'm very skeptical... Those stories sound like legends to me.

@jaketheasianguy3307

4 жыл бұрын

Ueshiba already got his background from military training, actually faced modern combat, sword art of Shinkage ryu and jiujitsu of Daito ryu. That makes a big difference between him and most aikido practitioners now. It only works for him because he understood the concept and cruel reality of combat, unlike his later students

@JeanMichelAbrassart

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaketheasianguy3307 He did get some bayonet training when he was young in the military, but somehow I doubt that it made him the "amazing martial artist" that some people claim he was. Especially since he had a very strong inclination toward religion and mysticism. He practiced mountain ascetism way before he started daito-Ryu. The guy was a mystic, not a warrior.

The only thing you said that is close to informed is that, ‘violence is always necessary’. You need to actually train with real Aikidoka, not the wishy -washy stuff you did. Train with Gozo Shioda Sensei’s (student of O-Sensei) last uchi deshi Mori Michiharu Shihan. You really don’t know anything about real Aikido - not the false stuff they had been westernised.

@efg1605

3 жыл бұрын

Aikido Yoshinkan Sunshine Coast I wonder what kind of aikido he trained. Also he didn’t even try to strike the mma guy in that other video.

Thanks for your thoughts! Too bad you are judging an art because of your experience with teachers. Sensei means 'born before' and should not be confused with a guru 'who knows it all'. Maybe they have filled your cup too much and you were only ready to empty it for another art, which you seem to have found in MMA. And I wish you good luck on your journey! Definitely you have a martial artist spirit, so I am optimistic that you will find your way. However, comparing one martial art with another one I doubt is a fruitful way to go. I agree with you that in many aikido dojos techniques are not pressure tested; yet how can a competition be a pressure test? In order for a competition to work and to avoid serious injuries, there have to be rules - e.g. in some no kicks are allowed, you have weight classes, no punches to vital parts are allowed, people wear protection gear, you only deal with one attacker. What's often lacking in aikido are good, strong attacks, a series of attacks etc., but this common negligence should not be used to discredit aikido as a fantasy. Your MMA friend is right in that joint techniques would not work on someone on drugs. But taking his balance and bringing him down on his belly in an arm-lock will work. So for example you can adapt a kotegaeshi to bring such a situation under your control. As for shihonage, once the attacker is in this arm-twist, his balance taken, it is up to you whether you want to slam him on the floor and thus breaking his skull or whether you want to guide him down carefully, keeping the control and leaving him no freedom to escape. Pressure-testing and asking critical questions should definitely be the way forward to learn. But when is the right time to judge and stop searching?

Hold on....If you take the idea that you Manifest into your reality what you believe....then Aikido does work to bring the reflection of Peace into your life by cultivating the peace within your MIND.

Batman has the same cognative disonance with killing 😂

I remember one aikido teacher said if you want realism, go to war.

"I think" "I've heard" "I believe" "Basically you could look at it that way." All of your examples are about people who abandoned the philosophy and used techniques from Aikido to supplement their different styles. That does not mean the philosophy has failed. Besides the spiritual is a component of nearly all eastern martial arts. The notion of being in harmony with the life force and blending with the attacking energy to subdue it does not mean no harm will come to the attacker. It might need to go to the point of killing to defend yourself. This is why there are many deadly techniques. The peace you maintain is your own.

You either have aiki, or you don't.

@jwd557

3 жыл бұрын

For real

Art of Peace sits on my bookshelf.

I think, dear , you are wrong not aikido, Aikido is what it is, does not offer make of you a winner of trophies, the battle is inner against yourself, trying to do the best with you have, no comparisons, no contest, no ego, no be victorious over other, if you need recognizition then Aikido is not for you, i meet powerful japanese senseis ables to do anything with their techniques, after many years of practice obviously, you are very young yet, with doubts and out of focus. Aikido offers harmony and you haven,'t.

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is the way

When ueshiba broke away from Takeda he went down a spiritual path that changed his whole outlook on life and so he changed his style and made it passive. If you read all the historic work of Stanley Prannin you'll get the full picture. If you want the combative go back to the roots of Takeda.

i am 54 and i love Aikido

We all forget that the Tokyo Riot Police are Taught Aikido and that it is allegedly Brutal and they do use it in reality!! It is a years course all day long. I have used a couple of techniques in real altercations, but choke holds are the most effective thing i have ever used, but again i have a background in Boxing and traditional Jujitsu. I love Aikido but only for the Art, i would never recommend it for a self defence art!! Especially the way it is taught in the west!!

I think aikido is very misunderstood because you have to really understand the Japanese mind and how they train...people get the philosophy confused with the martial side its soft philosophical but hard in martial application and I saw it first hand the differences between training in Japan and training in the states in Japan they are going to a picnic but they train like they are going to war....in the states they are going to war but train like they are going to a party...they want the rank and power but don't want to do the work.....a samurai train hard seven days a week 365 a year if you train aikido seriously with resist and the uke not letting you do anything your skill will grow leaps and bounds...and also study the sword do a thousand cuts and thrusts every day and jo suburi thrust and block and that will train you form stance and develop your grip to the extreme and make sure you get a heavy jo,and a heavy suburito so that your body is developing your whole body at one time using the weapons training....and your aikido will change drastically for the better....

Steven Segal begs to differ. 😂 Jk love your channel.