Want Andres t-shirt? Once he's put it through the wash you can grab it here: shop.hpacademy.com/ His missus sometimes gets the temperature wrong so there is a range of sizes too 😉 - Taz 👨🏻

I love the honesty! " Don't know what that does! "

@migueljuarez9181

2 жыл бұрын

Not in the USA lol

I love how this video shows everyone the importance and priority of having knowledge of a particular engine than just arguing over which one is better.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! It goes so much further than just numbers on the side of a block! Nothing wrong with having a platform you are a fan of either, but nothing is perfect in or for every and any application. Even this chat here would be different for someone different who doesn't have access to and experience with the 4g63 like Dom and the team, and the different decision would still be the right one for that other team in a different situation 😎 - Taz.

@jordankelly4684

2 жыл бұрын

Let us know when you do that

I'd love to see videos that compare engines having each engine in the room and showing positives and negatives of each block or head. Sr20 vs k24 vs 4g63 or 2jz vs rb26 vs barra. That type of thing.

@DavyR33

2 жыл бұрын

Motive Video did a good comparison RB vs 2J with PRP

@hakim9785

2 жыл бұрын

K20

I had an R32 and an R33 GTR many years...now an Evo 9. All I can say that the 4g63 is the better engine in every way...better response, lighter, no oil issues, not to expensive for more power and other things.

@AdmissionGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the heads had some oil issues isn't that why they get noisy lifters? I remember reading it on a tuning website.

@HHCHunterYTC

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdmissionGaming Yeah, par for the course with a hydraulic lifter setup. But it's really not common. I've had mine for a long time and I haven't got lifter tick yet.

@slow26gtr

2 жыл бұрын

Worth all the bs just for the sound though mate!

@skylinefever

2 жыл бұрын

At some point, better hydraulic lash adjusters were introduced, and they solved the noise. The Evo IX may have had them. Using current HLAs in earlier Mitsubishi engines often cures the noise for a long time. Also, Kiggly racing has an oil regulator that helps the HLAs function correctly. Jafromobile mentioned that there is an oil feed in the cylinder head that gets smaller when you resurface it. Therefore, when rebuilding a head, port it open to prevent problems. I aspire to own an Evo X. I hate timing belts with a passion. Just because some cars I love have them doesn't change that fact. Also, the Evo X will now and forever remain a classic because Mitsubishi probably won't build another rally car.

@robbalinski1606

2 жыл бұрын

4g63 all day for me, if it aint a 4g then its a 2j. RB's are cool but the hype makes them not worth running, its a shame because the sound soo good......one thing the 4g doesn't have.

5:18. I like the selective decal removal. 😂

Not too dissimilar to toyota putting a 3SGTE in the A80 race car over the much heavier 2JZ. Pretty cool swap. Also that sway-bar and coilover setup kind of blew my mind! Amazing what people can come up with when they think outside the box

@stephengant4322

2 жыл бұрын

Was the first thing I thought when I seen this aswell. Smaller lighter engine set back behind the front axle same as the jgtc supra

Finally an engine swap that makes sense 💯💯🏁 Please let's see some details on that gearbox - differential - transaxle setup. Sounds awesome to have the weight moved to the rear alone with 4G63 for better weight distribution.

@conradsealy9603

2 жыл бұрын

It reamains to be seen if this car can outpace Matt Longhurst RB powered R34 in time attack. To say this 4g63 swap is better would be stupid.

@ronjeremy3227

2 жыл бұрын

@@conradsealy9603 that R34 has never won time attack nor is it the fastest RB powered GTR.

@osama1929

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronjeremy3227 you are talking to a nissan fanatic, he would never accept that kind of argument that the 4g63 is better than his nissan hahahaha

@dj8010

2 жыл бұрын

@@conradsealy9603 I have always dreamed of owning an R34 with the RB26, but the more videos I watch on the rb26 the more weaknesses are uncovered. Being both an EVO owner I was kind of joking, but that particular setup does make sense for a weight distribution time attack setup. The Evo platform still dominates WTA, so we'll see what happens with this unique setup.

@osama1929

2 жыл бұрын

@@dj8010 the tilton interior evo was a 3 time WTAC champion in the pro class until they decided to take some time off and got back into it again. They are now working on a new evo since the last tilton evo crashed and had to be replaced. Not only that before the tilton interior evo team dominated the wtac there were 2 other evos who became champions in the same class for 3 consecutive years the cyber evo and the other one nemo racing team with their evo 9, making it a total of 6 years dominance in the WTAC for the evo platform from 2010-2015.

So awesome to have coverage on this car. Thanks team HPA

dear HP academy. I love you guys. EVERY DAY I can tune in to learn. as a Vip member I can recommend membership to anyone! the amount of knowledge is astounding. blessings on your year, may you continue to grow, and THANK YOU for teaching the next generation how to shred

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers for the support Adam! Glad we can help some of you fellas get a head start so you can continue to take things further in areas where we all thought we'd peaked! - Taz.

It's basically a full race car so it is what it is, Tom's supra swapped in a 3s-gt instead of a 2jz, like he said he knows the motor it can make the power so good job.

Incredible interview and vehicle, thanks Andre!!

We are all in a toxic relationship with the RB because no matter how much it hurts us, one howling, screaming pull to 8000+rpm, and that sound sucks us right back in

@ImInLoveWithBulla

2 жыл бұрын

I’d rather swap in a Gallo 24.

@kekethetoad

2 жыл бұрын

Billet RB is the ultimate

@slow26gtr

2 жыл бұрын

I'd be a much richer man if I loved a more reliable platform

@sircefiro

2 жыл бұрын

@@slow26gtr If I had 4wd I'd swap in a 4wd neo to build from & put the 26 to the side for putting the car back to original at some point, to be fair every car is gonna cost you if you push it

@derekk7881

2 жыл бұрын

@@kekethetoad the recent 6 second pass of the red demon (~2000HP) fully billet 4g63 would say otherwise! Remember that's 2000HP out of a 4cyl..

Awesome knowledgeable talk!

That guy knows what he knows and what he don't know he don't know

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

A quality many sometimes lack! Much respect - Taz.

I understand the Why, and the build, and the potential... Still sad that there's no RB and no 4wd 🙂

Take $25 USD off ANY HP Academy course with this coupon: KZread25 Enroll now: hpcdmy.co/25offytc - Taz 👨🏻

I want to do the opposite of this swap. I have a Eclipse GSX laying around with a built 4g63 but it's automatic (hate auto) and the dsm manual transmissions are trash. I want to take a full r34 AWD Attessa drivetrain with the 6 speed and fit it into the GSX chassis (fully seam welded) and get it to bolt up to the 4g63. From what I can tell it should work after getting the oil pan / front diff figured out, and a few other details. It would dramatically alter the weight balance by rotating the engine 90 degrees and getting that heavy automatic out of the engine bay and going with a long shaped tranny down the trans tunnel instead. Ideally the goal would be a 50/50 balanced 2700-2800 lb Attessa AWD Gsx but it'd probably more like 52/48.

Amazing setup! 2003 Evo checking in 🙂

Impressive project 🤝 Would like to hear more about the rear transaxle used to handle that power

4G63 a awesome little engine. Tried and true. Fantastic idea. That would handle perfectly. 💯👏👍 Aussie Fan 🤟🇦🇺😎

Dom and the crew aren't wearing rose tinted glasses here either, the chat about a 4g63 for this application is for this application and they know how to rustle up a solid RB26 up as well - www.hpacademy.com/blog/2140hp-78-psi-of-boost-rb26-world-record-trp-tech-talk/?

@sircefiro

2 жыл бұрын

Good interview as usual Andre, I like rb & 4g so all good by me lol, although I prefer the 25 neo over 26

'Change my mind' hahaha love it.

Great interview. Nothing more needs to be said.

love it!

Crowder ftw

Winefuelled Racing in the background!

LET'S GO Andre!!🏁

4g63 is a great platform

4G for life !!

lol andre you crack me up. a holy knight fighting for the 4g bb!! ;) thank you for the videos sir!

They only thing an RB has on a 4g is sound. Love this

@damongalovich4115

2 жыл бұрын

right cams, turbo and exhaust and the 4G sounds way better lol.

@scottherron

2 жыл бұрын

RB dominated group A racing back in the day, the 4g63 was only ever used for amateur drag racing and time attack. 4g63's will never have the pedigree that the RB's have for the simple reason.

@marcsainz6800

Жыл бұрын

Uhh I guess WRC doesnt count towards pedigree?

@ianm432

Жыл бұрын

@@marcsainz6800 what are you on about?

@marcsainz6800

Жыл бұрын

@@ianm432 Was replying to scotth

K series would be a good option aswell.

You should Do something with a ka24e

There are various advantages and disadvantages. The reason I love inline sixes is because they have no need for balance shafts. To me, a balance shaft is like a constant drag that only exists because the engine is flawed from the beginning. This is a reason I passionately hate 90 degree V6 engines. The 4G63 uses balance shafts. EDIT: I deleted the comment about the 3SGTE Supra because other people mentioned it. Toyota did it for the same reason this man created an inline 4 GT-R.

@MRMOPARMAN0426

2 жыл бұрын

If only there was a way to delete balance shafts....

There is nothing to change your mind, the rb‘S and the 2jz models are just unreliable but do produce tons of power. The 4g63 is also not the perfect motor but it is reliable when built and also when stock so..

no chance! RB all the way

That's what skylines started with I think a 4 banger!

Andres face when he said it comes on boost at 4500rpm.🤣

People gana get butt hurt🤣

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

1 person has unsubscribed already 😂 Mustn't have noticed these guys also have built one of the worlds fastest RB's as well 🤷 - Taz.

@francoisworrell9384

2 жыл бұрын

The evo engine is legendary. Already the same power as the RB series with just as much development headroom. More power dense

Great video with more information than you normally get but not so much that your scratching your head trying to figure out what their talking about.

Great idea! 4G63T FTW 💪🏻

That’s an awesome build lotsa time and money in that! Is this class allowed to run say a small capacity motorcycle based V8 like a busa or the kiwi made synergy Kawasaki zxr1200 based V8 I can only imagine these have been built with boost in mind or as an option the 4g 63 is an impressive unit tho ! R the K20s that much better?

@michaelbarry2534

2 жыл бұрын

They wouldn't be aloud at this event atleast

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure sorry! As Michael mentioned, while they are pretty loose, there are some rules! I know for example Andy Forrest's current build doesn't meet the WTAC rules which uses such an engine, but also his chassis not the 'norm' for WTAC either. It fits whatever rules they have in Scotland though, maybe WTAC needs to loosen up a little further? 😉🤞 - Taz.

up the $300 L300 Van bottom end with evo 1-3 head!

@skylinefever

2 жыл бұрын

4G64 combination? Anyway, some people prefer using the Evo IX engine because it has VVT. No earlier 4G63T did.

How on earth did he move the flywheel to the back?

Just a question regarding my personal situation I live in Delaware and I really want to go and see races with these specific cars in them whether that be race car modified R32’s or race car modified Lancer Evo 9’s just cars like that in general and my question is where could I go to see races like this? Obviously there’s nothing like this in Delaware so if anyone could give me some advice on where I could go and what the name of these specific races are called thanks again!

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Time Attack events would possibly be your best bet these days, but I'm sure there are other race series. I'd ask your local car club or look at the schedule at your nearest race tracks then look into the classes racing and see what they are - Taz.

I've read about SR23VET swapped in a r32, but this is something else.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

The first we've seen too! Interesting eh - Taz.

You think this is odd, my mate Jon at Strange Workshop has an R32 with a 13b in it!

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Good man! There's a 'Barra' powered one on the channel too that is MINT - Taz.

Its just based on weight distribution but Id like to see if this can beat Matt Longhurst RB powered R34 in time attack. A SR20VET would be a better swap if weight distribution is so much of a concern.

@ronjeremy3227

2 жыл бұрын

Matt who? The fastest RB powered GTR is the Xtreme R32 GTR, not some bridesmade.

@conradsealy9603

2 жыл бұрын

@@janeblogs324 lol. MCA Hammerhead, Under Suzuki has already proven you wrong. 😆

@conradsealy9603

2 жыл бұрын

@@janeblogs324 you may want to look up the GT Autosound S15. 1400hp with over 60 1/4mile passes and the engine hasnt been opened up since built. Let me know if I should you a link.

@conradsealy9603

2 жыл бұрын

@@janeblogs324 Id think seeing as the car is still street driven the engine would have a good bit more than 15 miles on it. But considering an engine that small at 1400hp. Why would you skimp on oil changes?

agree

That was a brutal interrogation

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

Mike Kojima of MotoIQ said exactly the same thing about the 4G63/RB26.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Clever man! Hope we can get him on the podcast at some stage: www.hpa-tunedin.com/ There are a few previous interviews with him on the channel now too though if you're a fan, he's a clever (and super nice) guy with quite the history in the industry - Taz.

4g63 power!

:4gis better than rb Sound: am I a joke to you

Tones Spaghetti. An absolute GOAT of the 4G platform.

Should've just gone 20b with billet side housings if he's so concerned about weight and packaging.

That’s awesome🤣I can’t say I like the sound that 4Gs make, but you can’t argue with their performance👌🏼

4G63 = see crank, see crankwalk. Go crank! Go!

Perhaps the 4g is better based on what is stated in this video. But it sure as hell does not sound better lol.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

haha yes that bit is subjective though, I don't mind them but then everyone always says my Spotify playlists are weird too 😅 - Taz.

The reason the RB was removed is the real reason the V6 makes more sense than the straight six for racing applications.

@skylinefever

2 жыл бұрын

This is why in some ways, the Nissan 300ZXTT had a better balance than the MKIV Supra.

I've never seen a 3sgte in a Supra. Oh wait yes I have

I can tell this video is going to hurt my soul 🤣

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

It's worth it, enjoy! - Taz.

@KalvinMalli

2 жыл бұрын

@@hpa101 was a great watch. Really cool build. I appreciate his honesty with the suspension set up. However would be cool to learn more as it is pretty unique.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

@@KalvinMalli we'll be back again next year and I'm sure this car will be too 😎 - Taz.

I love my 4g63, I gave my friend my spare 4g63 for free everyone needs one in their life

4g63 mitsubishi 👍👍👍

Could never not have an RB in mine

@youwantshum9860

Жыл бұрын

Then welcome understeer with open arms when you track it

K20 has entered the chat...

Lol. "A Honda, no I couldn't do that to myself"

@0222tomi

2 жыл бұрын

People that hate reliability lol

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

haha yes he knows how to trigger a few people 😂 All in jest- Taz.

@0222tomi

2 жыл бұрын

@@hpa101 He'll end up going K series eventually. Nobody can be that proud 😀

Blasphemy! And I support it!

I own both an RB20 R32 & a 00' 6A13TT VR-4. The R32 is challenging, twitchy & fun, but the VR-4...she pulls like gravity.

2:11 THAT is the reason they went with a 4G63, the fact they knew the engine well. Sure it can do everything they need but there are other engines that could do it as well, ie: 3SGTE, K-series, or even the standard RB if they were able to work out the weight balance, but it is that they know the engine well that trumps every other reason. Personally I would say a 3SGTE or a K-series are a bit better but probably not enough to justify learning a whole new engine.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Note, they have run one of the worlds fastest RB engines, but you are not wrong, the 4G63 is a better option for this project based on their experience and timeframe which is an important factor to consider and why there is never simply a 'best' engine as what is 'best' is more than just what is stamped on a block without considering anything else! - Taz. www.hpacademy.com/blog/2140hp-78-psi-of-boost-rb26-world-record-trp-tech-talk/?

*K20 inters the chat*

why not a 4b11 oh wait... i remember =D

Still the rb 4 me

4G63 is king!

Over a 1000bhp to just the rear wheels seems like it gonna be a handful even with the ECU based traction control. He did mentioned the gearbox is somewhat similar to the R35 gearbox but why he didnt choose to run a second prop shaft to the front and have a front diff for AWD traction? The iconic Tom's Supra also runs a 4 banger 3S-GTE in the race car instead of the 2JZ for weight balance. Thats a weird but interesting suspension setup there. Why they didnt go full on push rod and go that weird double cantilever hybrid sort of suspension?

@jcadlols

2 жыл бұрын

You get pretty diminishing returns out of awd at higher speed with a lot of downforce. These tyres are also pretty overworked so anything to reduce tyre loading is going to pay off even more than in other categories. I love awd but the context I love it is a low speeds or in bad weather.

@linchester8464

2 жыл бұрын

@@jcadlols Pretty sure the Motec/Haltech and other latest ECU have some sort of AWD traction control which can be made more rear biased. The Skyline ATTESA while old school by today standards was quite an interesting piece of hardware. Under hard acceleration, its only RWD. Only under cornering will the torque split to the front. Now there are gearbox control unit or GCU for short which controls the clutch / gearbox and diff systems. I am pretty sure we can make a solid AWD that is a monster both on dry and wet conditions.

@lukedraper4100

2 жыл бұрын

Actually think cause of the rules they could run higher boost on smaller displacement engines the rest was a bonus

yeah, but is it better than RB28DETT Z2 ?? *it's just a joke

Why not a ca18? 3/4 an RB

@Nick-sd7um

2 жыл бұрын

Not many of them getting around these days haha. I had one about 14 years ago in an s13.. feels like a lifetime ago but was a super fun car to drive with what was considered decent power back then (200kw).

@zeroyon4562

2 жыл бұрын

Why not an FJ20 then? The original king lol. Love a good CA though.

The aero is giving me the ol’ pants feeling.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it gave Chris that feeling too! The rear wing failed on the way into the fastest corner on the track. Luckily another team donated theirs so that Chris and his team could at least finish the event 😎 - Taz.

Should have k swapped it

@jerrywhite9225

2 жыл бұрын

But he wants to go fast

So nobody’s gonna talk about the “go fat tits” sticker ? 😂😂😂

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Speaks for itself doesn't it? 😂 - Taz.

@nathanmarkcuzkumar848

2 жыл бұрын

@@hpa101 not wrong ! 😂 Love your work 👊🏾

BlAsPhEmY!¡!¡

@zac2384

2 жыл бұрын

Blas4G

The RB26 doesn't crank walk... just saying

Surely someone has done a 5 or 6 cyl weld up of the 4G63? I ran there are millions of these things everywhere.

S/O to Steven Crowder.

i need to see it drive SO bad

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

We couldn't get any in-car etc sorry, but it was on the WTAC stream and if you look up the social media of some of the companies there you might find some shots. Sorry about that - kzread.info - Taz.

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/X2Wilrlrc7DSeso.html

My 4G goes nuts against some RB26s

Straight sixes are heavy, even with ally blocks. It’s always best to swap them to some engine with only 4 cylinders in a line. Maybe two banks of them. 😀

I think RB engines are overrated shite. Complicated for no reason, poor oiling, poor cooling, and as a result, lousy reliability. I approve of this engine swap! lol

While it's impossible to argue the weight distribution will be better with a 4cyl.. if you wanna use a gtr run it as a gtr.. if u want a Evo run a Evo... They clearly do well at time attack.. seems a bit like fusion confusion, could have also started with a 20e she'll and saved 50k.. waste of a gtr

4g63 is the 2JZ of the 4 cylinder engine world, fantastic choice. I prefer the 4g over anything Honda just for the sound. Hondas just don’t sound good and the 4g63 just edges the Honda's out for being cheaper to make power with.

@sircefiro

2 жыл бұрын

4g63 & 2jz are both engines man lol

Why not just use a GTS r32? Waste of a GTR much?!

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Who cares? Someone bought a car and is doing what they want with it 😎 - Taz.

Uhm, idk about this😂

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

haha fair enough! You don't have to do this, but I think Dom gives some pretty sound reasoning on why they took this path themselves to be fair. Time will tell if what they believe to be the advantages prove to be worth it on track - Taz.

A Honda .. they make more real race cars than Mitsubishity .. Kseries would be far superior, but you don't deserve Honda.

Just K swap

But 4G63 engine note is kinda gay n NOWHERE near as nice as RB inline 6! ^o^;;

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they're not just driving this to a carpark to bounce it off the limiter trying to drop some guys boxer shorts. It could sound like a wet fart and it wouldn't matter on the performance side of things - Taz.

Why so much Honda hate, K-series one of the best NA engines ever, nevermind 4 banger

@hpa101

2 жыл бұрын

He was just kidding 😉 He also doesn't hate the RB26, he's set a world record with one - Taz.

They're both mediocre engines.

🙄

Way to go is. 2.0/2.3 built focus ST ecoboost engine! With the 2.3 internals! Proven to be the new 4g63

@EVOFans

2 жыл бұрын

Oh you mean the engine that can't flow for shit beyond 6000RPM without extensive headwork? No thank you, 4G63 master race

@Paper.Power.Politics

2 жыл бұрын

@@EVOFans well that’s why u have to use a 4 port head buddy!! Not the stock head! It’s not even the stock block! But still all ecoboost! I’m building a 1000whp ecoboost mustang right now! Using a sleeved 2.0 focus ST block , and a 4 port head that comes on the Range Rover evoque. Should be out by end of the year! Or early next year

@dsm_zo

2 жыл бұрын

The 4g63 will make way more n for half the cost. No sleeving the block needed cause it's still closed deck cast iron, heads ports flow plenty b4 porting, will rev with the best of them with proper valve train. And also has a bunch of years of development over the ecoboost engine. 4g63 is king of 4 cyls but people wanna forget n hop on the k bandwagon.

@Paper.Power.Politics

2 жыл бұрын

@@dsm_zo yeah your 100% right!! But hard to find a good evo nowadays.. I’m building a 1000whp mustang ecoboost right now, but not using the stock engine components! Using a sleeved 2.0 focus ST block, with the 2.3 internals, 4 port head off Range Rover evoque for more air flow, it’s a variant of the ecoboost engine. Everything is the best metals and parts money can buy! Like Callie’s 4340 enforcer rods, upgraded 3.5 rod bolts, 250wall h13 wrist pin, custom spec vct piper cams , with a custom turbo kit by ETS with xona 105-69s turbo. Should definitely give evos a run for their money. But yeah would be a lot easier to make that power with a evo. But when it comes to cost it’s pretty close

4G63T the best 4cylinder