It would be so awesome to play at 30fps smoothly on pc, because not all of us have a master race PC with a 2070 and an exelent processor. Just imagine that, having a 1050 and playing your favourite game at ultra at 30fps smoothly, thats a wet dream.

@Sam-K

4 жыл бұрын

Well, you can make your 'wet dreams' come true. It's simple; just go to Nvidia control panel > 3D settings and change the following settings: 1. Maximum pre-rendered frames: 4. 2. Triple buffering: On. Then go to game settings and enable 30FPS cap with V-Sync turned on. If there's no in-game framerate lock option then lock the frame rate from either RTSS or Nvidia Inspector. DO NOT use half v-sync as it'll cause a TON of input lag. Well, that's about it. Try for yourself.

@GroteGlon

4 жыл бұрын

@@strayfu no they're not

@MichaelBsh

4 жыл бұрын

@@GroteGlon They are, but you can enable them with Nvidia Inspector

@prateekpanwar646

4 жыл бұрын

New: Goto Nvidia control panel and choose maximum framerate rendered by GPU. But, still can't achieve that response without going to 40fps

@RonniJarley

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sam-K Yes. Is importante use controller and customize camera for more slow too, activate the motion blur. The RTSS is the better option for lock framerate on 30, because the frametime will stay the same the consoles (33.3ms all the time), and works without having to close the game. But yours points are greats. My english is rusty.

"frametimes are constant on console" laughs in bloodborne

@ranger5389

3 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Just Cause 3

@skedex8483

3 жыл бұрын

Try playing dayz ps4 and experience the virtue of 12 fps

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

Laughs in witcher 3 (on the PS4 and Xbox one base consoles)

@ranger5389

3 жыл бұрын

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 on Xbox I had no problem with fps, I played on one s

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

@@ranger5389 well I watched digital foundry's analysis on witcher 3, I don't know about one s console though, they might have fixed it.

In regards to frame times, the reason it's consistent on most console games but not on pc is the method in which the frame rate is capped. Most console games are v-synced, and both Microsoft and Sony offer a hardware level v-sync that developers can tap into that offers perfect frame times (as long as the game is hitting it's performance target). Developers could of course opt to use their own v-sync method, but this is where you can potentially run into issues with frame times à la From Software games (Dark Souls, Bloodborne). PC on the other hand requires users themselves to manually configure frame rate caps, and this is where issues crop up. Most games on PC have awful built-in fps cap options that deliver inconsistent frame times that becomes more and more noticable the lower you go, with The Witcher 3 actually being a perfect example of this issue. However, there are two solutions to this problem: either use the frame rate limiter or v-sync options in your GPU's driver settings (Nvidia Control Panel, Radeon Software) or use a program like RivaTuner Statistic Server (RTSS) to cap fps. These methods will ensure that your fps cap is delivering proper and consistent frame times for smooth playback. As an addendum to this; the displays that we use for console and PC gaming are also factors that must be considered. Most console users game on televisions that are either 60hz or 120hz while many PC gamers play on monitors that are 75hz, 144hz 165hz, etc. In a scenario where you're trying to compare 30fps between a 60hz television and a 144hz monitor, the 30fps will look fine on the tv and poor on the monitor regardless of how the frame rate cap was achieved. The reason being is there's a mismatch between the frame rate and the display's refresh rate. You see 30fps evenly divides into a 60hz tv but does *not* evenly divide into a 144hz monitor, so for the monitor you get noticeable judder due to the mismatch. To get a proper and comparable experience with the monitor you'll need to either set the frame rate cap to 36fps or lower your monitor's refresh rate to 60hz. Another potential solution is VRR (variable refresh rate) with low frame rate compensation. Many modern monitors offer G-Sync or Freesync, which are both forms of VRR. With VRR your display's refresh rate will dynamically sync to the game's frame rate ensuring smooth playback regardless if the frame rate evenly divides or not. There are of course pitfalls to properly setting up VRR on PC too, but look up a guide and you should be alright. I know this explanation was long winded, but I felt that the video's was a bit too simplified.

@nocapper5543

10 ай бұрын

This explanation was awesome, thanks for sharing 👍

@frozendice8875

6 ай бұрын

Awesome stuff, my Forza horizon had weird fps caps (36,72,144), I did thought it was coz of my refresh rate,but wasn't confirm

@YoCreedgg

4 ай бұрын

We aint reading all that lil bro

@poonakanwanaeloh7858

Ай бұрын

This is true. In my case, at first I didnt know my monitor was capable of VRR. So I relied on V-sync and had a bad experience of 30 fps. The issue had gone once I enabled VRR mode, which gave me a smooth 30 fps experience. But if you are in VRR mode you dont forget to set your refresh rate to the max to make it work properly.

"motion blur" you say? *laughs in laptop with built-in display motion blur aka garbage quality ghosting*

@phoenixvr1988

3 жыл бұрын

I have a shitty tv that does the same thing. Welcome to the club, Spartan 🎖️

@SSADO-

2 жыл бұрын

My tv doesn't have an option to turn it off and it's making me want to smash it.

5:16 That spinning log though. 😂

@itellthe5655

4 жыл бұрын

JD Ros Beyblade

@fauxlazycheese9535

3 жыл бұрын

hahahahha lol

Most of console's 30 fps games use adaptive half refresh rate in their vsync. 30 fps with 30hz refresh rate will always have smoother experience compared playing on PC in 30 fps with 60hz refresh rate. So if you want smooth 30 fps console experience in your PC, always use adaptive refresh rate sync in your gpu control panel or set your monitor refresh rate to 30. And set low latency mode (it's nvidia feature) to ultra to eleminate the input lag produced from adaptive half refresh rate.

@rodrigomendes3327

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. Do you have any idea how to set low latency on AMD? It was possible on drivers before Adrenalin, but now we dont have it anymore. It makes huge difference when you have low frames. Specially on mouse input. But PCs have Scanline Sync x/2 (MSI AB), half sync and other features. Scanline Sync x/2 is even better than console method, with virtually no input lag and perfect framepace very well timed with refresh rate.

@kriss4230

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but only in single player games. This may give a major disadvantage in multiplayer games like warzone and apex legends

@threesayz-comedybanglagami2029

3 жыл бұрын

Does it rlly work tho

@SimPilot3122

3 жыл бұрын

This is just gsync which feels much better than this too

@killalertochannel6667

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodrigomendes3327 On AMD it called Anti-lag.

Yeah, but you may drop your FPS from 30 to 28,27 and this can make you uncomfortable. Using RTSS can help you stable 30 FPS with constant frame time like 33.3ms. This can make you feel the exact playstle of Consoles 30fps. Turn on Motion Blur and Triple Buffering. If enabled, make Vsync to half or 30. Turn off Vsync with Window(borderless) is more convenient.

@drejzo

2 жыл бұрын

Why enable triple buffering ?

@MSC-556

2 жыл бұрын

@@drejzo it introduces input lag which is good for 30FPS. And, it increases 1-2 FPS and it is useful if u locked 30FPS and u have a Low end PC and It can’t drop like 28-29 FPS

@drejzo

2 жыл бұрын

Samuel- Max oh bro do u even know that triple buffering doesn't work with dx games ? Only opengl ?

@drejzo

2 жыл бұрын

Samuel- Max it's literally useless to use triple buffering for dx games :/

@MSC-556

2 жыл бұрын

@@drejzo LOL. I know that. Games like RDR2 and Rise of Tomb Raider Use Vulkan and Their graphic is Demanding. So, I use Triple Buffering in those games to save a couple of FPS and locked FPS.

I think my standards are so low 30fps feels like 180fps

@umbrellaguy6934

3 жыл бұрын

You actually need the worst parts to have a pc to get 30fps

@ep1k_4

3 жыл бұрын

when play with insane graphics it looks 30 fps smoother than i actually have, 72 feels like 102, im probably unused running max graphics on 144 fps (except on rocket league its well optimized)

@tamtoon2474

3 жыл бұрын

I have laptop lol

@khalidyt4173

2 ай бұрын

@@umbrellaguy6934 worst pc parts to run modern games on 30fps 720p cost more than 500$

one thing to remember, the mouse always move across the screen faster and traverse more pixel than a controller, so in that case it needs to draw more frames faster, which needs more than 30fps to look smooth. When PC is using a controller too, it is still not as smooth as console with a controller. Motion blur is one of the way to make it smooth. PC game can do motion blur too, but definitely not smooth.

@abbu2503

3 жыл бұрын

yes i noticed it too while playing sleeping dogs. i was thinking my sleeping dog is lagging because of mouse and keyboard are plugged

It's all about frame times. Look-up Digital Foundry's console benchmark videos. All 30FPS consoles games have a flat 33.3ms frame time graph whereas on PCs frame times jump all over the place. Luckily, you can achieve the same level of smoothness on PCs via *RTSS* and vsync. Other frame locking utilities like Nvidia Inspector and FRAPs etc. don't lock your frame times hence you'll always feel a slight judder.

Now it makes sense to me - motion blur + 30fps really does help make less frames more seamless as an illusion

Thanks for this knowledge 🙏🏻

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

Dude he just completely lied to us. He is playing witcher 3 at 60fps on xbox one x and comparing it to the uncapped fps on pc. Also his reasons are COMPLETELY WRONG......

The main reason for the smoothier 30 FPS on consoles is consistent frame time (frame pacing). Though not every console game has a perfect frame pacing. I also noticed that when a TV has motion flow function and a game has perfect frame pacing (e.g., God of War, Ghost of Tsushima) it looks nearly as 60 FPS. At least on my Sony Bravia.

@racky2

3 жыл бұрын

It's true, that motion flow makes a game look ultra smooth. The downside is, that u will get bad input lag with motion flow. At least it seems like input lag, but it's actually the TV always running a few frames behind. In games that require quick responses or first person shooters and stuff, I wouldn't recommend it, but there are definitely games in which that lag doesn't matter, so there u can turn it on for a way smoother video. Not that it's impossible to play properly with motion flow, especially in single player where it's not so competitive, but if ur playing a shooter, it can be a pain in the butt.

@barrator1

3 жыл бұрын

@@racky2 It depends on a TV model. On Sony Bravia the input lag with motion flow is unnoticable to me but on some other TVs the lag can be significant.

@racky2

3 жыл бұрын

@@barrator1 Oh yeah, that may be true. I have an LG with similar technology, but the Motion Flow input lag there can be really noticeable haha. I think my TV is good, but maybe not the best for gaming..

@rodrigomendes3327

3 жыл бұрын

This is one of the reasons, but not the main reason. The "secret" on console is having not only a good framepace, but a well timed frame/refresh rate. It's hard to achieve with PC at 30FPS. You will need something to sync it. FPS cap does nothing beyound just limit the frames produced. Vsync is a solution if you can keep solid 60FPS. But 30FPS is a problem since Vsync produces too much input lag (the double compared to 60FPS, which is already HUGE) and frames are not perfect time with refresh rate. To fix it nVidia and some games have half sync to limit at 30FPS and frames supposedly are well timed with 60Hz panel (or 37,5FPS on 75Hz and so on). But sadly, for reasons that I cant explain, frames are not solid (vary too much from 25 to 30FPS) and often frames are not perfectly tiimed. So what's the solution? Scanline Sync x/2 on MSI AB/RTSS. Search how to make it work and you will see that 30FPS gaming can be even better on PC (since there's no input lag at all on Scanline Sync. On nVidia you can turn low latency mode (Anti lag have similar resulto - very different process - on AMD) and voi la, a even better 30FPS gaming than consoles.

@barrator1

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodrigomendes3327 Some GPUs have this G-Sync feature that I think is responsible what you said - well timed frame/refresh rate.

How to make 30fps like consoles with no screen tearing: Have an Nvidia Card Have a 60hz monitor; Have a game that allows half refresh rate v sync option (30hz); For Directx 11 games, on Nvidia Control Panel, set Low Latency Mode to "On"; For Directx 12/Vulkan games, see if they have Nvidia Reflex option and turn it On.

@dariomladenovski7047

Жыл бұрын

also turn Motion Blur ON and use a controller because low FPS is more noticeable if you use a mouse

@AndrewDaniele87

Жыл бұрын

If the game doesn't have half refresh rate, you can also change the monitor refresh rate to 30hz, that's how I do it, I'm using windows on a steam deck so there's an app that manages everything for me per game and when a game doesn't have half refresh natively I just set it in the app once and it applies whenever the game launches), it's called steam deck tools

@ggbb056

6 ай бұрын

Thx for the tips

This was very informative and answered every question I had thank you very much

Leave it to Indian tech support to try and tell you how something works on a computer.

@nandu6136

4 жыл бұрын

@@leomesspidey2825 lmao u need to chill

@minuterepeater2257

4 жыл бұрын

@ Giovanni And like most tech support desks; he hasnt got a clue what he is rambling about. He selectively leaves a lot of infomation and displays a new level of stupidity. For example his claim that frame rates feel different on both platforms is such bs, and for such an expert its pathetic he doesnt know imput lag is an bigger issue for console than pc. Hell Microsoft invested heavely in this for Series X working closely with some tv manufactures, further he didnt spoke about refresh rates and the list goes on and on.

@utsavsharma3696

3 жыл бұрын

@@minuterepeater2257 and that kids is called an asshole

this video is a perfect answer for the title

@jps.5920

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it is

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

No it is not. It is completely wrong. 30fps is the same on a console, on a pc, on a mobile, on a tv, in a movie theatre, everywhere.

@kowxley1793

3 жыл бұрын

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 uh idk man it feels MUCH smoother on console than PC to me. I've tried both, many times, my answer is always the same. 30 fps on pc feels like shit, while 30 on console feels playable

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

@@kowxley1793 that's bcos the cap the framerate and frametime and enable vsync. You can do the same using nvidia control panel or Radeon software or rtss or sometimes in-game fps cap.

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

@@kowxley1793 it is not "MUCH smoother". Cap your frametime, enable vsync and then play the game, there will be no difference between the console and the pc. But, no pc gamer aims for 30fps bcos 30fps is BAD. it has tremendous amounts of input lag. Combined with the vsync it will have even more input lag. You physically play worse at 30fps. THAT is why pc players hate 30fps, not bcos 30fps is choppier on pc than on console, there's nothing like that. However, you can do the same on a pc. 30fps is NOT different among devices. 30fps means 30frames will be displayed on the screen for every second. That's it.

There is also the dynamic rendering techniques they use. Which adjusts the games resolution and settings on the fly, we have a few games that do that on PC. But not nearly as well as a console handles it.

@OutlawedPoet

3 жыл бұрын

that does not handle how smooth 30 FPS is, though. it's used to maintain a stable framerate.

This actually explained a lot. Thanks man

I have always wondered why 30 FPS was so bad on my PC. This makes a lot of sense . I think in my case the frame time was the main culprit , lots of micro stutter despite getting average of 60fps, but the drops here and there due to hard drive ram or cpu cause it

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

How the hell did this video make any sense? The Input device has nothing o do with the framerate and frametime of your game. Use nvidia control panel or radeon software or rtss to cap your fps and frametime and enable vsync if you want, it will be much better on a pc.

@karikaturdigital6123

Жыл бұрын

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 depending on the monitor. if the monitor supports freesync or gsync then the fps cap will be good because the monitor refresh rate will follow the number of fps. But if the monitor doesn't support freesync or gsync then the fps cap is not good because if the monitor is running at 60hz and you cap the game at 30fps then the refresh rate will stay at 60hz which makes the game worse. The solution for non-freesync and gsync monitors is to create a custom refresh rate in 30hz if you want to play on 30fps. I used to have a 60hz monitor that didn't support freesync or gsync. so I made a custom refresh rate in 30hz and 50hz

@naufalocta

Жыл бұрын

@@karikaturdigital6123bang monitor yg support freesync sama gsync apa aja ya ?

@karikaturdigital6123

Жыл бұрын

@@naufalocta semua merk mendukung tergantung model nya .. googling aja bro

@naufalocta

Жыл бұрын

@@karikaturdigital6123 makasih bang

If I use RTSS and lock it on 30fps there, it reduces stuttering. This is because the frame pacing is more consistent

I really noticed the controller on PC with low frame rate, and was wondering why it felt OK. Thanks for explaining this so well ! As always, love your videos!

Helpful video. Thanks buddy

@GamerInVoid

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked :)

Great video mate

Easiest solution: get a 144hz monitor and lock the fps to 36 (a divisor of 144hz). You'll get the camera motion of 144hz which is incredibly smooth with no vsync input lag. Screen tearing is pretty much unnoticeable at 144hz anyways.

@potataoDOCE

10 ай бұрын

in rivatuner? and sanclyne

@nathanlamaire

10 ай бұрын

Now 144 Hz monitor is actually good for low-end gaming.

@jprec5174

10 ай бұрын

@@nathanlamaire lmao. Not a chance bud

This was educational thank you!

@Stewer1000

3 жыл бұрын

lost of rubbish. do actual resarch because this vid is just bad :D

Fantastic video! Please do more

I own both a high-end PC and a Console, and 30FPS on console is definitely much more enhanced, even if I plug it into my computer monitor it looks much-much better than trying to emulate it on PC. Even when Rivatuner/Afterburner shows 30.33ms there are 2-3microstutters per second when looking around in 360degrees which never happens in the same games I test on console. I have tried AfterBurner / Radeon Chill / Nvidia FPS limit and lastly the closest PC comes is Nvidia Adaptive (Half Refresh) which has a lot more input lag compared to console 30FPS. Furthermore, I have played games on PC where their own limiter shows inconsistent frame-times with Afterburner, but the game is actually much smoother than using a 3rd party limiter like Afterburner which displays that it is running at 30.33ms consistently. In addition, it is not about claiming 30FPS is better than 60FPS, but console 30FPS is better than PC 30FPS; also some of us prefer to be able to choose 30FPS in certain games where it gives a more movie-like cinematic effect, since visuals retain longer on screen, giving you more time to see reflections and lighting effects which happens to fast at 60FPS (very 3D looking in some games)

@alexsayskmk

3 жыл бұрын

Get a VRR monitor (at least 120Hz+) and you get perfect smooth 30fps console like

so you're telling me if i cap my fps at 30, turn on motion blur, and play w/ a controller, i can play at the highest of settings while having an enjoyable experience?

@Wabisabi665

3 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough I was able to make The Witcher 3 really smooth on 30 fps. I had to use the Vsync and FPS limiter from the Nvidia Control panel and a controller.

@soraaoixxthebluesky

3 жыл бұрын

Double buffer Vsync is a must. Use half refresh double buffer Vsync on 60Hz display. This will hard cap the game-engine. And don’t go with the highest setting. Go with what ever setting that’s slightly above 33.3ms like have a swing between 22.2ms (45fps) to 24ms (40fps). This performance headroom ensure your game to run at a lock 30fps even if on engine-level - it can swing between 40Hz-45hz. The drawback, yes you trade smoothness with input lag which is acceptable in single player games/campaign

@ayushtt3649

3 жыл бұрын

How many fps can i get in witcher 3 in ultra setting Pc specs: gtx 1660 super , ryzen 5 , corsair ram 16gb , ssd 250 , hdd 1 tb.

@477goku

3 жыл бұрын

@@ayushtt3649 way more than 60

@ayushtt3649

3 жыл бұрын

@@477gokubut I watched some benchmark videos and they got 50-60 fps only

good video. i actually now agree i didnt think there was any reason but you made a good point!

I'm on one x, Bravia 900f , game mode. I find rdr2 and ACO blurry or double frames when panning, is that normal?

@fighter4166

3 жыл бұрын

That's abnormal with the one x It's a beast, u should not be facing blur or grains

The reason is the mouse, the mouse camera movement makes it looks like that, since stick movement is more stable and smoother than a mouse, it gets worse if your hand uses to tremble more

@teaganvallejos4758

3 жыл бұрын

Debatable but yes

@shatterpointgames

3 жыл бұрын

The frame time is the biggest reason though. Consoles have consistent framtimes.

Ive noticed this too. console 30fps feeling smooth while pc 30 fps feels laggy... It gets fixed at 60 fps but yea kinda respect consoles more now but kinda sad that series x and ps5 still play some games 30fps like watch dogs legions.. gta 5... red dead 2... some assassins games... feels wrong so much power being wasted not playing all games 60fps minimum on console..

@Theotherside.

3 жыл бұрын

They are on 30 because haven’t PS5 update But Watch Dogs Legion can play on 60

@Dobrufusnoretro

3 жыл бұрын

@@Theotherside. thats what I dislike.. if there is no patch/update then the game continues 30fps... Gta 5 can play 1080p 60fps on a gt 1030 gddr5. There is no excuse for next gen consoles with rtx 2070 gpus and ryzen 3700x cpus (the equivalent power I mean) to play some games at 30fps

@tomohawkcloud

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dobrufusnoretro that’s the devs problem, not the hardware’s. You’re gonna have to wait for rockstar to put out that enhanced version

@Dobrufusnoretro

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomohawkcloud it seems rockstar want to sell the patch as "dlc"

does anyone know what the audio used at 1:30 is?

If you turn on mouse smoothing it'll feel exactly like the consoles because the consoles use controllers which have similar effects unlike raw mouse input

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

This gamerinvoid guy is a complete idiot. The input device has NOTHING to do with the smoothness of the game.

@siege3624

3 жыл бұрын

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 Can't you understand the fucking video? Input doesn't affect frametimes, but it allows you to notice it more. Controller has added delay with smooth acceleration and deceleration and slower overall speed, while mouse moves to one side to the other very fast, making the difference between each frame way more visible

Spiderman is really one of the best examples. Its crazy how smooth and responsive that game feels for a 30 fps game. Before they added a 60 fps RT mode I was totally fine using the 30 fps on ps5 and also never had an issue with the ps4 version either

@sunnywagle8995

8 ай бұрын

Arkham Knight is also a perfect example of 30 fps done right.

Came here right after seeing what cyberpunk 2077 did to high end PCs.

@Quinceyyy

3 жыл бұрын

Ahaha me knowing damn well I'll need 30 fps to be stable

@477goku

3 жыл бұрын

Same bro same😂😂

@raz0gaming

3 жыл бұрын

Came here after i realized my pc can't even play Cyberpunk with 60FPS on 1440p with my 3070 XD,i know that i couldnt expect much from a mid-end GPU but i think 1440p with 2nd generation of RTX should be running 60FPS in recent games,i mean the games that released in 2020-2021

What's the name of the crossbow....please do tell !!

I was waiting for this question

Thanks for the very clear and precise video!

Controllers don't really have huge input lag. they are just acceleration based analog input so instead of instantly moving your screen it accelerates on a curve or linearly.

@naufalocta

Жыл бұрын

Yes, true.

Great video from a pc nerds perspective, legit informative and captivating, keep going bro!

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

You are not a pc nerd.

Nice video legend!

Amazing explanation great video👍

Change your monitor refresh rate to your game FPS cap. Witcher 3 at 30 FPS feels just as smooth as a console.

@randomtryhard7359

3 жыл бұрын

higher refresh rate will make the low fps now consistent

@agentsmith6161

2 жыл бұрын

@Samantha Blake You should find the option in either the Nvidia or Ati Control Panel!

This was a great and short video with explaining in detail. Only thing I would say is that you missed out a point that certain games like Uncharted 4 use frame interpolation, and hence the 30 fps feels even more silky smooth. Good job though. You earned a sub

@marshalljoseph8582

2 жыл бұрын

damn, thats condecending

did you check the fps with something like fraps or something?fps limiter just limits your fps to 30 it doesn't do anything to push fps to 30 your fps seems like 18 or so

-Get a controller and a 3.0 usb port. -Nvidia card with adaptive vsync at 30hz and turn on low latency mode -Turn on motion blur on game settings -Get a 60hz TV with motion smothing settings turned on. (Sony Tv´s are cheap and have cinemotion Technology) -Get a confortable chair and game like you where watching a movie from far away. Note: There are some games that simply dont look well on 30fps, frame skipping ruins the smoothness and you get a crappy experience full of jittering no matter the amount of motion blur you add to it.

A mouse is more responsive than a controller therefore making it seem more jittery on a mouse Edit: oh wow he said the same thing I said 😁

@obamascock2169

3 жыл бұрын

well yeah but thats not the only reason frametimes have a lot to do with it

@rodrigomendes3327

3 жыл бұрын

It's not only that. Consoles use adaptive sync to sync every frame with every refresh on monitor and it makes the bigger difference. You can use controllers and compare PC x Console and will have the impression that PC is worst. And yes, it is if you don't use any adaptive sync available on AMD or nVidia drivers. Sadly most people don't know about it. But the best tool is the Scanline Sync x/2 on MSI AB/RTSS. You can have a 30FPS gaming even better on PCs, without input lag (consoles have it).

@BlindxSide

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodrigomendes3327 What is the "Scaline Sync x/2" ? I have MSI AB/RTSS but dont know what that is.

@rodrigomendes3327

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlindxSide Try to search about it. Scanline Sync is available on RTSS. There's a thread on Guru3D about it. People will help you for sure. Basically in can turn it on on RTSS menu, clicking on Scanline Sync and choose - 20 to - 80 as parameter. But I really recommend read the Guru3D topic to understand better what this parameter means.

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

No dude, 🤦 holy shit it hurts me to see how this guy is misleading these many people. THE INPUT DEVICE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FRAMERATE AND FRAMEPACING. If you cap your fps and frametime and enable vsync, you will have the same smoothness regardless of the input device.

Thank you, i was very upset to not achieving a good 30-40fps on Horizon in 4k on pc knowing it runs 30fps on console and looks awesome. Now i'm running with your tips and looks AWESOME! Thank you!

I turned motion blur on, used a controller and used rtss to cap my fps at 30 while setting my in-game refresh rate to 60hz, but it's still not as smooth. Any reason?

@Jhon276

2 жыл бұрын

lock refresh rate to 30hz

@user-vo6yw1rm5r

Жыл бұрын

@@Jhon276 is effective if i lock 30hz to get experience 30 fps like consoles ?

such great content! i was searching for a video, just to you know, share the same thoughts and you where the only one! thank you for the information! awesome video

@paradoxxsp

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh this is false information hopefully it’s satire

Pro tips: step 1: RTSS lock at 30fps | step 2: normal motion blur

@geiers6013

4 жыл бұрын

@Yatham Seenu No more hz is beter even in low fps u just need free/gsync

@geiers6013

4 жыл бұрын

@Yatham Seenu Yes and Gsync costs 100-200 euros more. But what I wanted to say is more for example 30fps feel smoother on 144Hz than on 60Hz.

@Lukasz3332x

4 жыл бұрын

@Yatham Seenu almost all console games use vsync

@Lukasz3332x

4 жыл бұрын

@Yatham Seenu they dont

@elhomo6406

4 жыл бұрын

@Yatham Seenu v sync is the same regardless of if you're on console or not as long as you're using the same amount of prerendered frames

In riva tuner you must enter your exact tv/monitor frame times if you want exact smooth lock.

30 fps on pc is just as smooth as it is on console. You just think it isn't because on pc your frame rate is unlocked so you get used to seeing higher than 30 fps so when you lock your fps to 30, it looks rough. The way to undo that is to lock your fps to 15 and play like that for about an hour and then switch to 30 fps and then it will look just as smooth as it does on console.

Right on point my friend

I play on PC and I personally like motion blur, I always have it on. Maybe I'm the lucky few that doesn't get dizzy

@kinniecas9004

4 жыл бұрын

Darren S me too

@mintgoldheart6126

4 жыл бұрын

Well I never cap the games at 30 and I never turn on motion blur

@paradoxxsp

4 жыл бұрын

r/unpopularopinion

@wb6930

4 жыл бұрын

Motion blur just doesn't feel right when using a keyboard and mouse

@reynutz

4 жыл бұрын

The problem with motion blur isn't the dizziness. It's the fact that it only exists to make the game give an illusion of smoothness. You don't need motion blur if you get 60fps

Your arguments, video edit and English are great. This was very informative. I don't normally comment on videos but you have a smaller and growing channel so I wanted to recommend somethings. First one is sound quality was not good, I suggest you to upgrade and second one is it would be better if you also add subtitles. I am not native speaker myself, and it is hard to understand different accents sometimes.

@GamerInVoid

4 жыл бұрын

Thank You so much for the kind words and suggestions. Already ordered a new microphone and would definitely work on subtitles on these kind of videos. Thanks man :)

Sadly most people in this comment section did not understand the point of this video.

Thanks for your video

instead of using 30fps limiter , you better set games to 30hz and on top of that use fps limiter for reduced input lag , if a game doesn't have 30hz option , set your desktop resolution to 30hz and games to borderless window or borderless full screen , that way games will use desktop refresh rate , sometimes resolution .

@AndrewDaniele87

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this is how I do it on steam deck and windows, 30hz, windowed, and in some cases I use Lossless Scaling to make it take up the entire screen if windowed doesn't do it

@karyaaesthetics

9 ай бұрын

@@AndrewDaniele87how 30fps 30hz experience on steamdeck? Is it way better than 30fps 60hz?

@AndrewDaniele87

9 ай бұрын

@karyaaesthetics I find it much more enjoyable, it's still 30fps so not ideal, but if you have to put a game down to 30fps i have noticed a much smoother experience having the refresh rate at 30hz as well

@karyaaesthetics

8 ай бұрын

@@AndrewDaniele87 hi. I tested it. Much better in 30hz. And better battery life. Thanks a lot sir

for me 60fps is a experience i dont always want i play games in 60fps just for a different experience 60fps is not my 1st choice i always play 1st in 30fps . 30fps everything looks more natural not animated or robotic

@nuddlesupremacy3619

3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one who thought that, the same thing happened to me when playing DS2 at 60 fps, the movements looked more ... robotic

Any way to get smoother 30fps on intel hd 4600? The cheapest PC I can get right now. I'm golden as long as I can play pre 2010 games at 540p and consistent 30fps (I'm playing on PS2 and 3DS every day, so resolution is not a problem lol).

What if i play on PC with a controller?

I can finally play at full hd medium-high with 30 fps (from 720p low-medium)THANKS DUDE.

@10MinutesofGameplay

3 жыл бұрын

What did you do?

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

720p is not full hd, 1080p is full hd.

@thelordkiller_ytxxshadowmi8813

3 жыл бұрын

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 I said that now I can play from 720p to 1080p(fullhd) . I didn't say that I am still running 720p

@thelordkiller_ytxxshadowmi8813

3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinutesofGameplay I limited my games to 30fps(before I always wanted 60 but failing) , enabled motion blur and set it to maximum strenght in games that allow it and overclocked my gpu a bit. And also changed some settings in Nvidia Control Panel but I cant remember. The part with the nvidia control panel increased the performance by a lot.

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelordkiller_ytxxshadowmi8813 ohhhhh.....oops😅

I honestly clicked on this video expecting to disagree with it, but now I totally agree with you, great video!

@GamerInVoid

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

@mememachine2777

3 жыл бұрын

you cannot argue with indian mafia

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

Well then you are a fricking idiot just like him.

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

@@mememachine2777 bcos we cannot argue with stupid people

Now I am really ready to buy my console

I am locking my games at 30 fps with RTSS bcz i have mid range laptop and cant play with good 60fps. Can someone please tell me how to make 30 fps on pc smoother like it is on a console. Please if anyone knows tell me how to make it more smoother !

just like how popcorn in my microwave tastes better than popcorn in your microwave

30 fps seems fine to me on pc cuz im used to it

Frametime is related to performance, so if a game runs better on PC, and you can cap the framerate knowing that you'll never go below X amount of fps, your frametime should be smooth, unless there are other problems with the game, and in that case, you should experience that in consoles too. If you have drops, which is normal on weaker hardware (consoles count too), then your frametime could be bad. The only thing you can experience on PC, and you can avoid on consoles, are shaders compilation stutters. Those are starting to be less common, after so much backlash from the community, but you can still find them in some new AAA titles, altho... you can experience any other type of stutters on consoles anyways. It would be normal to experience a lot more stutters on consoles, just because framedrops are normal, and the CPU isn't great. On PC, because Frame Generation is a thing, you have more ways to deal with bad frametime and stutters, even on a PC that has similar specs to console (performance wise, at least). You don't have that on consoles, and it wasn't a thing on PC when you uploaded the video, but I explain this to those who are not familiar with this. People usually hear about it when they need it, like... a couple days ago, when the Frame Generation mod for Dragon's Dogma 2 was something everyone was talking about, because you can double your framerate with that, which is really helpful for a poorly optimized game. Keep in mind that it wasn't a bad PC port. It perfoms 10% than on Xbox Series X with a Ryzen 3600 and an RTX 3060, so it runs better than on consoles, even with similar specs, and you get access to Frame Gen on top of that, but the game is poorly optimized on any platform. Also: controllers are not the main cause of input latency. Look at Digital Foundry's video about Nvidia Reflex to see how different the input latency can be between consoles and PC, even when you use a controller. It is night and day. Your video is kinda weird at times, and not only because you can use a controller and have a smooth frametime on PC (and in more games too), but also, because motion blur is in both platforms. You say "motion blur is not turned on" for PC, when most games come with it turned on by default, and it is a setting, so anyone can turn it on in like 5 seconds, if they want. I didn't get what you meant with that comment, but, other than that, I liked video. It is misleading at times, but helpful to those who game on PC and can't get more than 35 fps. A framerate cap to 30 fps gives you a smoother frametime and motion blur helps with the lack of fluidity.

Hey are you and indian , if yes then how do you manage to buy such expensive hardwares and softwares and consoles, i mean what kind of job do you do to support your gaming interest

I just upgraded my console from ps4 pro to ps5 and the difference in fps and smoothness is really ni Noticeable. Same goes for my laptop. I upgraded from my old gtx 1050ti laptop to rtx 3070 laptop. Huge difference immediately. Personally I am not a huge fan of RTX. I prefer high fps and smoothness nowadays as both my tv and laptop support 120 fps.

Actually, it's about frametime and sync of frames generation and reception between GPU and display. Frametime is lockable by using softwares like Rivatuner. Sync can normally be set by the GPU own settings. If that's all set up nicely, You don't really even need that motion blur or depth of field to get a more fluid consistant experience in PC gaming at 30fps. Although, if your PC can handle it, higher frame rates are obviously better for gaming, it can make a total difference in competitive games. In addition, input latency can also be improved to perform even better than it does on consoles, by setting pre-rendered frames to 1 or 0 and turn off frame buffering.

@GamerInVoid

4 жыл бұрын

Very well said. Yes if PC is upto the task, ofcourse 60 FPS is 1000 times better than 30 FPS. No questions asked.The video is for those where PC is NOT upto the task. . Many people is simply failing to get that point.

@ig5026

3 жыл бұрын

Very well said. You said it better than the guy who posted this shitty vid. lol peace and lovd

Thanks for this now I feel better on 60 fps when puglegen in with controller

I been playing with both my hole life and I can say that YES some games play smoother on console buttttt there is one missing information. Console games are low in graphics and the reason for that is performance. You might think the graphics looks good andamazing but it’s because you are sitting far from the TV. The close you get to the TV more you will realize that console graphics starts to get worst and worst and that is called, eye effect, when something looks good far but lose its picture quality when you get closer. Turning motion blur on pc will help smooth the game and cap your FPS 2 below your max refresh rate will give you a much smoother gaming experience.

Imagine getting 30fps on PC xd

you forgot to mention you can make a pc game smooth on pc jf you use riva turner and lock the fps at 30 fps. it produces a perfect frame time. So pc can do the same

@AnANas00-x3p

4 жыл бұрын

Whoever invented and implemented scanlinecync option in riva tuner needs to get a Nobel Prize, seriously. Finally you don't have to use crappy in-game option and are able to limit your frame time perfectly to 16.6ms or 33.3ms. But I'll still chose 60fps over 30fps anyday, anytime. 30fps is eye cancer, and it's beyond me why people still accept it. Vote with your wallets guy, don't buy 30fps games and publishers might start to change.

@maxsettings2906

4 жыл бұрын

@@AnANas00-x3p exactly consoles really don't have a advantage with this. Also you can use nvidia half refresh rate vsync.

@kseries1981

4 жыл бұрын

Not always

@jkgaming8531

4 жыл бұрын

@@kseries1981 not always on console either. It's a myth consoles have magic powers allowing smooth 30fps in all games

@michellopes9750

4 жыл бұрын

@@AnANas00-x3p Which value do you usually apply on scanlineSync?

Re 2) it has nothing to do with the input lag, it's just the nature of smooth stick control vs jittery quick mouse movement

@user-ky9qn4pg3w

3 жыл бұрын

At least one person said it. Phew. Controller sticks can be programmed to be as sensitive as the mouse, it's just that it would be very hard to control.

Good video. However, the example console footage of The Witcher III didn't have enough camera movement to be a fair comparison. Your points are good ones, though.

1:28 look at the texture quality on pc its soo sharp compared to xbox.

@ig5026

3 жыл бұрын

yep, thats a huge factor. stutters will be more obvious coz of that. thats why consoles doesnt have crispy details. consoles makes most of game textures smooth and blurry to hide that low fps somehow.

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

Dude he is playing it at 1080p 60fps on xbox one and comparing it to 4k 30fps on pc. Yeah, no shit it will look smoother. This gamerinvoid guy is a fraud.

Bruh he maxed out the settings on pc while console is only 1080p

@maugod6972

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know the difference between graphics and resolution?

@markomiletic9992

3 жыл бұрын

@@maugod6972 I would say he dont know XD

@maugod6972

3 жыл бұрын

@@markomiletic9992 lmao agree

@fspar

3 жыл бұрын

@@maugod6972 What? Are you saying that 1920x1080 or 3840x2160 it's the same "weight"?

@maugod6972

3 жыл бұрын

@@fspar he said "maxed out the settings on pc while console is only 1080p" he is literally saying that the resolution has to do with graphics when it does not lol, learn to read buddy

you can use adaptive sync half refresh rate on 60 Hz monitor with an Nvidia graphics card in the Nvidia control panel and you will get smooth 30 FPS console like experience

when test 30 fps 1080p to 720p there is a noticeable difference due to the fact the gpu can handle lower resolution better.

30 fps in console looks like 60 fps and 30 fps in pc looks like 20 fps

@jvraghavaramasharma120

4 жыл бұрын

Use rtss and cap the frames at 30 and turn one vsync and motion blur....you can get the same "smooth" experience at 30fps.....don't know why would someone limit their fps to 30 on a pc but, you can do that...

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

And no, 30fps on a console looks like 30fps and 30fps on a pc looks like 30fps. It doesn't change. And btw the gameplay he is showing, the witcher 3, is running at 60fps. So basically he is comparing 60fps with 30fps and saying that 30fps on consoles is better than 30fps on a pc. He is a fricking moron

Lock 30 fps in RivaTuner, turn on motion blur and play with controller. It will be the same as on the console

@misterbickis

3 жыл бұрын

Imma try this today lets see. Lemme download rivatuner

so what i did to fix this problem was v sync, putting my monitor to 60 herz, and using a controller.

I've tried 30fps on pc and it's really worse, even unplayble feels more like console 25fps. Maybe this is why pc players are joking about console 30fps

How to play 30fps on pc and be comfortable with it: Never touch 60fps or higher

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

No, just use rtss or nvidia control panel or AMD Radeon software or in-game fps cap to cap your framerate and frame time and enable vsync. It will be just like a console if not better. Also if your pc is decent then you can cap it 60fps and get MUCH more smoother and responsive gameplay with less input lag.

Turn your fps up to 40 and it would feel like console without motionblur/ input lag and maybe even feel smoother

@adrianb.l131

4 жыл бұрын

Nah,you'll need like 70+ ..maybe more

@imaginarychip4916

4 жыл бұрын

@@adrianb.l131 Still not the same Im a pc player i got a ps4 to play some games like spiderman i was so annoyed im gonna have to play 30fps bec im used to a 144hz monitor , man 30fps feels so smooth on ps4 i cant get it to be the same on pc

@jvraghavaramasharma120

4 жыл бұрын

@@imaginarychip4916 just look at the video again and see which one is sharper, pc version is sharper bcos it doesn't have any motion blur(cos he turned it off)and the xbox one x is running in dynamic resolution, which makes it look even blurry, and therefore makes it look even smoother, if you turn on motion blur on the pc, it would look and run better...on ACTUAL 4k, without dynamic resolution..and the same goes for spiderman on ps4...and moreover its an exclusive which means they had to port the game and optimise it solely to that console's hardware...

@imaginarychip4916

4 жыл бұрын

@@jvraghavaramasharma120 Nope

@jvraghavaramasharma120

4 жыл бұрын

@@imaginarychip4916 well then you're being ignorant

Bro if i use controller ,turn on motion blur and lock fps to 30 can i get same experience like console

@jamesmaster3357

2 жыл бұрын

Tried it, it not look like console somehow. I own ps4 pro and pc.

@gamingstation4801

2 жыл бұрын

No simply u can't. Other than all these point mentioned in video hardware plays a huge role

Nice 👍🏻 very nice content

Sometimes I play lower than 60fops on my PC. I have FreeSync so can help sustain screen from tearing, and I am using gamepad from ps4 or xbox360, so controller is better for lower fps than mouse. I don't like motion blur. RDR2 on PC I play with controller. On PC the best option is lock the frame. I have IIyama 75hz with freesync 1080p. I play ps4 slim and PC on IIyama LCD.

@RedEvileK

4 жыл бұрын

@Liquid Sunshine I have gtx 1660ti + ryzen 3600, actually 45fps locked cause of I put more detail. With lower settings I can stable 60fps. I can show settings or something other if you want more info.

@RedEvileK

4 жыл бұрын

@Liquid Sunshine hm 4k so it makes different. I have only 1080p, and I don't use DSR in this game, so I can put better settings and lock to 45fps, GPU usages isn't full.

First motive: You are using a mouse to compare with a gamepad gameplay. Obviously mouse make things cluncky.

@kazrulgayming

4 жыл бұрын

3:24

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

No it doesn't, the input device has nothing to do with the framerate and framepacing. This guy is an imbecile

my friend you are underrated oh ny word this is awesome thank you so much!!!

@GamerInVoid

4 жыл бұрын

Thank You so much :)

@jvraghavaramasharma120

3 жыл бұрын

You are stupid.

Good video, no unnecessary garbage. One suggestion you can reduce the length of your intro sequence. No more than 2 to 3 seconds.

Is 60% Of this comment section bots?

I play most of my AAA games on 30fps with Controller on my PC that has gtx 1650 and it's actually true. If you play 30fps with a mouse and keyboard it sucks but with a controller bruh, yall can enjoy the game perfectly fine

@naufalocta

Жыл бұрын

Really bro ?

On Linux you can also use Gamescope to cap framerate with an almost guarantee 30 FPS.

Honestly it’s the controller that makes the difference. A joystick moving the camera at 30 FPS feels much smoother than a mouse