I have given FOUR PLUS solid years of my life debating the rubbish spewed out on Social Media and in the press along with starting my KZread channel giving so much positive information on Electric Cars. I’ve been name called many times and been bullied by a mass of people. Being hard skinned helps AND believing in facts and not fiction from BIG OIL. GO FOR IT GENTLEMEN 👍🏻⚡️⚡️😎

@tomsdaddy

10 ай бұрын

Yes, and now thanks to seven Years of Fighting against Brexit, there is also now an entire Generation in our Electorate who are now hard-bitten Bastards and have already seen everything that the oil industry might try to throw at us, numerous times, and know how to treat them with the contempt they deserve. The Brexiters have lost, and so have the anti-EV'ers, and both are now just playing for time, for as long as this rancid Government lasts !

@wotireckon

10 ай бұрын

Hear hear! KBO!

@dodgemF1

10 ай бұрын

Whe the public face of Tesla turns into a far right icon, you're going to cop some hate for the business he's promoting.

@milescoleman910

10 ай бұрын

Musk’s politics have remained the same. It’s the party’s and their weaponry that have changed and moved. I’d say much of it is about Twitter more than anything actually ‘real’. IMO the idea of someone with Asperger’s being in charge of a Social Media company and having millions of not Billions of people listening to his random expressions is never not going to be problematic.

@waynerussell6401

10 ай бұрын

@@dodgemF1 FUD

Quentin the man taken to court for clocking vehicles is definitely not an amazing man.

@peterpan6821

10 ай бұрын

Quentin says he would also like this fact checked 😂

@johnjames_cowperthwaite

10 ай бұрын

@@peterpan6821 Ask BBC Verify l heard they're the self appointed Ministry of Truth, oh wait...

@steventhoseby

10 ай бұрын

​@@peterpan68211988 Coalville Magistrates court for falsely advertising the mileage on a vauxhall Cavalier. Source Wikipedia

@iamjonwright

10 ай бұрын

That’s very true, he did. I met him in 1993 at the Citroen Xantia launch. That car was awful but Quentin tried to convince us otherwise. Give him enough money and he’ll tell you anything you want to hear.

@geoffersvoiceofreason2534

10 ай бұрын

@@steventhoseby “Falsely advertising” is not the same as clocking.

One of the biggest (and hidden) obstacles is the Building Insurance industry. One very large insurance company is insisting that any new workplace charging stations are positioned at least 5 meters from the building. We live in a block of flats and have received the OZEV infrastructure grant to put in 25 charging stations. However, we have been banned from ever doing this because the freeholder of the building has been told by their insurer that we need to:- install a complete sprinkler system in our car park (about 50,000). Segregate any EV charging station from all other cars by at least two spaces (we will have to turn the car park into the tardis!) Lots of other restrictions but you get the idea. We will have to relinquish the Government grant, which will mean that residents will probably purchase a new ICE car when its time to change. Plus, nobody knows what to do with those blocks of flats which have already had chargers put in and will now retrospectively try and to find staggering amounts of money. The government recognise the problem but are unwell to say what they will do about it. Any chance of the programme trying to find out. Thanks for the show everybody.

@SMentor568

10 ай бұрын

I see ev charge points being installed on the side of detached houses by energy providers (BG, etc.). That’s certainly not 5m from the property.

@RB-lt8kt

10 ай бұрын

Totally mad but typical of insurance companies. Why doesn't the same rule apply to gas as there is a higher risk of a explosion ? There have been many recalls of ICE cars that have had known fuel leaks (Vauxhall zafira a prime example that leaked fuel onto the exhaust, I saw one catch fire this way in a company car park right next to a building).

@geoffersvoiceofreason2534

9 ай бұрын

@@SMentor568 No, but the standard cable that comes with the car or the charger is 5m long so, if the owner wishes, he can charge it away from his building.

@rogerphelps9939

7 ай бұрын

The insurer has been misinformed. The fire risk from an EV is far less than that from an equivalent ICE car.

@deanonesense

7 ай бұрын

​@@rogerphelps9939the fire risk is far less, or the probability of a fire is far less?

Is it true the Quentin Wilson, a man I've grown up watching, a man I've met, a man who owns a collection of classic cars, is paid £100k a year by Tesla? Asking for a friend who wants some clarity :)

Kudos to Quentin Wilson, sang the praises of the Tesla Roadster over 15 years ago in the Sunday mirror.. opened my eyes to EV and the possibilities before anyone else

@4literv6

10 ай бұрын

That brings some memories back. 15+years and nobody has made an ev 2dr sports car as good or affordable yet as the gen1 roadster. And the model s is approaching 11 year's of sales and few legacy oems can even match that car. Talk about dragged kicking&screaming? 😀

@leonbell5141

10 ай бұрын

Most people can’t afford a Tesla it’s for the rich 🤷🏻‍♂️

@4literv6

10 ай бұрын

@@leonbell5141 37-47k now for a base model 3 or awd Y in the U.S. that's below the new car average of 48k and tax credits up to $7,500 now available. Plus any additional local state or federal level ev incentives depending on where you live you may qualify for.👍🏻

@ianrob4760

3 ай бұрын

got a MG4 last week, 34K for the top one, base 26K @@4literv6

@spizzenergi2292

27 күн бұрын

I’m surprised Quentin loves EV’s as you can’t clock them.

Get Dave from 'Just Have a Think' involved, he would be a great addition to the community as Quentin suggested it be called. It's a pity that the press are so negative, but that really is exactly what they like to report on.

@davewilliams6172

10 ай бұрын

We always hear about the environmental costs of Lithium and Cobalt in EV batteries, but what about the environmental costs of Platinum, Rhodium and Palladium as used in ICE vehicle Catalytic Convertors? We need Dave to do a deep dive into the subject and present his findings on his excellent channel "Just Have a Think"

@fullychargedshow

10 ай бұрын

Oh, we will do, don't worry. SWe've already started working together. Here's our most recent podcast with Dave. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5d8qtyFicTSZZs.html

@TheBarnster75

10 ай бұрын

​@@davewilliams6172quite a few people bang on about Cobalt ib EVs...no doubt it needs addressing but they seem oblivious to the fact that Cobalt is used in their lap-tops, mobiles, power tools, and of course in desulphurisation of crude oil.

@4literv6

10 ай бұрын

@@TheBarnster75 none of em seem to care we've mined for cobalt since the 1730s now either. Or until late 2019 the oil and gas industry consumed the most cobalt world wide of anyone. Until 2022 Apple consumed more cobalt annually than tesla does. Most ice sold also has a battery with lead acid and cobalt chemistry under the hood and on average 21+electric motors just to function. They also ignore in 2022 almost 40% of all evs sold had lfp pack's in them with ZERO cobalt or nickel. Catl and byd introduced sodium batteries recently in car's. Catl now has lfp, lmfp and mp3 chemistry cells, the mp3 approaches nmc pack's energy density levels from just a couple year's ago. Up to 220wh/kg apparently. For CHEAPER than their current lfp pack's. They dope it with iron magnesium and aluminum now. Supposedly 15-20% more energy dense overall&up to 20% CHEAPER per kwh to boot. Speaking of nickel those idiots don't even know most cobalt mining is a side effect of mining for copper and nickel either. Smh it's just sad from my perspective. And all mostly just main stream media pushed paid for by oil bollocks. 😐

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

And don't forget EVM. He sometimes does the odd weird EV misconceptions video..... He's been driving EV's for the best part of 10 years now. He'd be good on the team, if he's willing.....

I had an electric car for two years and thought it was great. I did not have range anxiety, or did not do lots of long journeys. However when my lease came to an end I decided to go back to an ICE as when I was doing long journeys I was noticing that it was getting more and more difficult to drive straight into a charging point. Also joining an uncoordinated charging queue was becoming stressful and adds random extra time to my journey so makes planning difficult. I would love to go back to an ev but not until the charging infrastructure significantly improves!

@vincentrobinette1507

5 ай бұрын

You're a case and point for a "coin toss" between EV and Hybrid. EV's are the clear winner, IF you can charge at home. If you're in a situation where you rely heavily on public DC fast charging, or worse, cannot charge at home, you're likely money ahead, choosing a good Hybrid. Being that it only takes a few minutes to pump 400 Km of Petrol into the hybrid, rather than waiting 1/2 hour for an adequate charge, the Hybrid will prove much more convenient. If you can charge at home, you don't have to go anywhere to "juice up", it is much more convenient to plug in at home, and charge while you're asleep at night.

Three years ago I decided to embrace EV’s, to coincide with the installation of solar panels at home, I bought a ev. Let me say what I do for a living and how I use my vehicle. I own 9 amusement arcades on the Yorkshire east coast. So Saturday sometime three years ago, I woke to a service call in Bridlington, 75 miles from my home, I set 0ff at 9 am and arrived by 10.55, I started off fully charged with 236 miles or range, it was a cool 11 degrees outside, yes I drove with the heater on. I travelled 75 mile and arrived with 122 miles of range left? What? I then had a coffee in Mac Donald’s during which time I got a breakdown of three machines in my bishop Auckland arcade 130miles away, now what, I studied the map on where to charge, two hours later and a small wait, I was at 200 miles, I set off on the two hour journey. I arrived, at 16.55. What had happened to my day, and four hours of lost revenue on my machines. I know had only to miles left, I was 109 miles from home, back to find some place to charge, two hours later I was back at 180, enough to get home so I thought, I arrived home at 1am in the morning shattered with 5 mile range left and stressed to the hilt, a few weeks later I did the same trip in my wife’s diesel car, I filled it up and the range was 650 mile, that was it, I arrived home after a long day at 7pm, I hadn’t though of fuel for the rest of the day. Two years later, I sold my ev at great loss, it had retained less than 30% of its value, these are not maths or negativity, as an engineer not knowing where my next call is, I can’t easily plan my day or know where I’ll end up, but that day amd many others like it, cost me fours hours extra on an already long day, dare I say I was so tired and stressed I was probably not safe and shouldn’t have driven for those hours, I have never worked such long hours before owning an ev, or since selling it. Diesel just works for me and is my easy option, I retire at 70 next year. I intend to buy a new Renault hybrid next year and will keep it until I hang my hat up or die which ever is the sooner. The charging network didn’t work, was plagued by issues, theft of cables, non working chargers and few and far between in the north of the U.K. recently my car was in for a service and I was loaned a half charged EQA for the day, the charging network is even worse than 9s was two years ago, due to the number of new EV’s, but chargers not meeting demand, with 20 miles left I was third in line to charge on the motorways services, 4 hours later I drove out, a complete joke, I drove it home, parked it up and used my wife’s, now petrol car until mine was fixed. Don’t know who’s paying you to say all this, but my experience was totally a complete sham. The cars are nice, but expensive. Compared to petrol equivalents. No sir not for me…. And I don’t agree with what your saying. A quick scroll through autotrader, looking at used prices, across bmw EV’s, Porsche EV’s, Mercedes EV’s, and polestar EV’s, my -previous car shows huge depreciation. I so don’t agree I have unsubscribed from your channel and won’t be following it any longer, clearly someone is paying for this dribble, not my experience in the real world at all.

@leonbell5141

10 ай бұрын

They want to price people out of cars electric cars are double the cost of petrol and the depreciation is terrible as well as the battery production in Africa

@Hybridog

10 ай бұрын

So, an EV didn't work for you so they must all be bad, and Robert has to be on the take because you don't agree with him, and the charging system will never, ever, ever be better, and EVs will never be cheaper, and no one else should ever buy an EV ever. Got it. I think we all know who you are now.

@seekeroftruthandjust

10 ай бұрын

​@@Hybridogpublic charging infrastructure is decreasing not increasing. Not a good start is it

@any-car-will-do

10 ай бұрын

Couldn’t of said it any better, that’s exactly why I will never own a battery EV

@Hybridog

10 ай бұрын

@@seekeroftruthandjust where is it decreasing?

Misinformation is a HUGE problem that has the potential to derail the transition. This project could turn out to be the most important thing you have ever done. I am very happy that you have committed to this.

@Stuart.A

10 ай бұрын

More power to your collective elbows guys,this needs stopping ASAP

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

@@Stuart.A Those bloody stonecutters. "Who holds back the electric car?"

@saintallnights7239

10 ай бұрын

Political.

@robindumpleton3742

10 ай бұрын

Can you fact check the number of charging stations. 25% are in London and how many chargers are out of service. In today's techlife, surely the chargers can report automatically if they are out.of action.

@saintallnights7239

10 ай бұрын

@@robindumpleton3742 Now that's a good question.

Thought something was going on , as I got an onslaught at work (work in the car industry )which I still don’t understand my colleagues but I am viewed as eco nut . What really upsets me is the fact that our press is allowed to lie and can get away with it on several front.

@Alessandro---

10 ай бұрын

Also, the press is allowed to lie on much worse issues ...

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

The UK press is that bad that it was singled out by the UN. According to some sections of the press, it doesn't matter that I was born here or how progressive I am, I'll apparently never fit in purely because of skin colour but take a right wing white American proud boy type, who's literally migrated to the UK and they apparently fit in straight away despite being culturally at odds with the UK..

@Moses_VII

10 ай бұрын

​@@waqasahmed939Source about UN. Curious.

@joshuasmith7369

10 ай бұрын

A video by Munro live proved the chevy bolt fires were caused by incorrect home wiring for home charging.

@Richard482

10 ай бұрын

​@@joshuasmith7369Please include the link when you mention a KZread video.

Having had an electric vehicle, was very disappointed with its performance especially in winter in the UK was like driving a six volt old Morris Minor or Beetle with half a gallon of petrol in the tank no heater windscreen wipers that reduced the range considerably if used constant range anxiety. I have reverted back to petrol did a 750 mile journey from West Wales to Sunderland and back in a day with two fuel stops that would have probably taken two days plus an overnight stay in an EV! I was gobsmacked to watch this program as there was not one reference I can see to the abominable public charging situation in the UK it is a complete fiasco, and will only get worse as the number of EVs increases. How much copper will have to be mined to provide a proper charging infrastructure? IINMHO the only way to run an EV in this country is to have it on your driveway, charge at home and just use it locally for shopping etc or leave it at the Railway Station for long journeys. In typical EV hype fashion the fat cat EV supporters now want Joe Public to finance them to promote EVs. When they don’t address the elephants in the room ie Cost of EVs pathetic and inadequate charging infrastructure and garages unable to repair even the simplest of faults.

@MrTipperX

10 ай бұрын

I do180 miles a day with 25% battery left at end of day. 95% on motorways at 120kph. Hyundai Kona. I charge at home only. I'd respectfully suggest you bought the wrong EV and based on that experience are now misleadingly dissing all EVs. I couldn't do my commute in a Leaf for example.

@alanhoward6553

10 ай бұрын

I am not “dissing” anyone or anything, I am merely expressing my experience with an electric vehicle I had in winter. You are fortunate that you can run an electric vehicle with enough range to eliminate the need for you to use the public charging network, for your daily commute.Bully for you!. Perhaps you might like to comment as to why the appalling state of the UK charging network,or the high price of EVs , the rapid depreciation of them, and the inability to repair the simplest faults in the main dealers workshops were never mentioned by the three presenters in the video? Finally why do they want ordinary people to become Patreons when they are already financed by the EV industry.

@MrTipperX

10 ай бұрын

@@alanhoward6553 you're gone down the full conspiracy theory mode fella. Good luck to you. It would take an inordinate amount of time to answer you all your false statements. Educate yourself a bit better and stop spreading lies.

@Xubuntu47

10 ай бұрын

​@@MrTipperXFrankly, the guy's story sounds typical for people unfortunate enough to have owned a first generation Nissan Leaf. I work for a company that owned two of them for use as corporate shuttles. The stories I heard from the drivers were similar. EVs have improved a lot since the gen 1 Leaf, but many people have been put off EVs by their experience with the bad, early ones.

@RB-lt8kt

10 ай бұрын

The issue is that oil companies will be hit hard if the UK swap to nuclear power and EV's (hydrogen for lorries). Also a lot less tax from fuel duty. ICE cars create a lot of pollution and people are too selfish to think about anyone other than themselves. Yes EV journeys take longer due to charge stops but you should be stopping every 2 hours for a break anyway as there are many accidents caused by tired drivers. I gave up a job which required a lot of driving (40k miles a year plus 60 hour weeks). I was often having to stop due to being tired and wouldn't take the risk of killing another driver(s) or myself.

Interesting video, I am an EV owner - Audi E-tron 50 Technik which I bought new in 2020, and here are my good / bad / ugly real world experiences and thoughts. First off, do I like the car? yes, very much, I love the way it drives, and can find very little that I don't like about it. Will I be buying another EV? (I will be changing the car this year at 3 years old) An emphatic no I will not, certainly not until the charging infrastructure is vastly improved. So, here we go, I was told by Audi that the range of the car was 193 miles on a full charge, that turned out to be untrue, the most I have ever been able to get out of it was around 165 miles in the summer, in winter that goes down to more like 130 miles, and the charge time increases. I hear Tesla fans saying "should have bought a Tesla" sorry, I wouldn't buy a Tesla for a couple of reasons, I just don't like them, I think they are ugly, I hate the interior with that huge iPad type screen, and (not from personal experience, but from speaking to several Tesla owners while waiting at charging stations) questionable build quality. I would say that over 30 months of ownership, I have wasted more than 500 hours of my life (an hour a day 4 days a week) hanging around at charging stations waiting for my car to have sufficient range to complete my journey - I travel the country in the course of my business. "Should have planned your journey more carefully" I hear you cry, believe me I do plan as carfully as possible, yes I use ZapMap, that oh so useful app that forgets to tell you that a charging station is not working, or that your planned charge point is occupied by other drivers wasting more hours of their lives. Why do I need to download different apps for different charge points? when I used to stop for petrol or diesel, I could fill up in a couple of minutes, and pay with contactless card. I didn't care too much about the weather either, if it was pouring with rain I could fill up under the shelter of a huge forecourt canopy, I have lost track of the number of times I have been soaked while waiting for the charger to authorise the charge, why are all the charge points out in the open? Finally, cost, I have a home charger which is fine, marginally cheaper than ICE fuel, (For now, what's going to happen when Tax on ICE fuel starts to decrease, higher tarrifs for those with home chargers?) on the road charging is at least equal, and in most cases more expensive than ICE fuel. One minor point, I have probably negated any potential cost savings with the money I wouldn't normally have spent buying service area cups of overpriced coffee.

@Paul-67

10 ай бұрын

Good real world points made there. Thank you.

@grahamf695

10 ай бұрын

You might like to consider the BMW i4 eDrive40. It’s a gorgeous car and I am getting 300 miles of range at the moment. I think the paying version of ZapMap tells you which chargers are in use.

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

@@grahamf695 Yes, that's correct. It can also give you the waiting time (in real time) of the charger you may want to use, if it's being used as you search......

@richardstocks9139

10 ай бұрын

Think also of women alone, or with kids, at these charging points

@AutumnWind92

10 ай бұрын

You showed the biggest issue. It's not EV or ICE! It's changing a car every 3 years! That's insanely wasteful. I'm not from western Europe and I don't get it. Here I'm driving the same car for over a decade, why would I change it if it works? No wonder the market here is full with "old" (5+ yo cars) from the west. You keep buying newer and thinking you're all so eco friendly and throw away everything else to eastern Europe.

All this FUD directed at EVs is driving down the prices of used EVs and they're now selling at a discount to their ICE equivalents. So, if you're in the market for a used EV, especially those coming off lease, this is a great time

@timscott3027

10 ай бұрын

I actually think this Is a great flipside to all the bullshit, every time I hear another negative story I think my first EV is one step closer. It will also speed up people buying second hand EVs so it is also a shot in the foot by oil companies. In 10 years time only people that do long journeys and morons will be buying ice cars.

@timfallon8226

10 ай бұрын

But if you were going to buy a new one remember the value of it will drop faster than Jordan's knickers.

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

@@timfallon8226 But someone has to buy new ones for there to be used ones........ It's probably fair to say that most new EV's are bought on company leases. But of course once those leases end, the cars will be sold on the open market......

@AndrewTSq

10 ай бұрын

I think the big part is the high prices of a new EV compared to a ICE car. You get a nice luxery ICE car for the same price as a EV. You dont have to worry since you know the infrastructure for fuel etc works with a ICE car, while EV are not there yet. I dont see EV's getting cheaper, rather the other way, more expensive in the future.. probably making the car a luxery item that not all people can afford.

@timscott3027

10 ай бұрын

@@AndrewTSq the infrastructure depends where you live. Some places have lots some none.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Was going to write/ email Robert to encourage him to come up with a positive response to all the negativity and inaccurate journalism in the press/media who seem to print whatever they want wether there is any truth or facts in it! And here you are doing it with out my encouragement! Well done, you have my backing all the way!

@kensmith5694

10 ай бұрын

Sometimes a negative response can serve perfectly well. Tell them to look up "Fiero fuel pump fire" and "Pinto crash fire"

The UK opted-out of manufacturing in 2016. Obviously there is simply no point in establishing an automotive or consumer goods factory in a place with such a small domestic market. It joined Europe when it could no longer sell to the Commonwealth. All it can rely on for income now is money-laundering and other dubious banking practises.

Interesting to see dealers offering 0% APR on some EV car PCPs but not on diesel/petrol. They really are getting desperate to shift EVs… I wonder why?

@prodrive0191

10 ай бұрын

Why are VW having a rethink about EV's and have fields full of them and putting factories on short time ?.

@MegaNayton

10 ай бұрын

Maybe it's because people are so fixed on being anti ev. That these cars are sitting in dealers and being passed by perspective buyers. All because they may of read an article which is slagging off EVs but half of what was in said article was made up or the truth was stretched to fit a narrative. Im no eco warrior but half of whats said about electric cars is just garbage and untrue

@fredflintstone9963

10 ай бұрын

​@@prodrive0191 It's not just their EVs it's their products in general. Though, VW does make crappy, uncompetitive, EVs, and the consumer has wised up to this.

@stevezodiac491

10 ай бұрын

​@@fredflintstone9963is that why golfs sold like hot cakes for decades and their current ice car production lines remain unaffected by ' consumer reluctance ' Face reality, it is the EV concept itself that is not in demand and deemed not worthy of buying.

@johnpragnell977

10 ай бұрын

Tesla number one in the world out of all cars!!!!!! not just evs.

Thanks guys. I wholeheartedly support your campaign to dispel the fake news and disinformation about EVs. I'm already a convert to electric vehicles, but applaud your efforts and have shared your content on social media. Keep up the good work! 👍🏼

@saintallnights7239

10 ай бұрын

You are talking out of your rear exhaust. I'm the one everyone says they got the fake news from. Sorry EVs are done and you would think they would be aware that Toyota, Honda, Ford and even Porsche have all said they are getting away form them and Nissan said they are too expensive.

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

@@saintallnights7239 Source?

@saintallnights7239

10 ай бұрын

@@waqasahmed939 Yes. Next question. Do you know how a search engine works? And Google is not a search engine. Worked a very long time to get to this point. When people find out who I am, there's going to be a big shock. Oh and I'm the source. Multi-disciplimed scientist, high IQ, turned down PhD, GCHQ and others, over 220 predictions accurate in various sciences and politics and I'm beh8nd most of the revelations everyone in the world is talking about. The biggest shocks of all will be discovering my motivations and how much evidence I possess. I'm also linked to a number of real science and news groups. Hold onto your butts.

Biggest myth is range anxiety. There are so many people out there who believe that an EV with a range of 200+ miles in real world is deficient, you can tell them until you are blue in the face that the average daily drive in UK is c.20 miles and that even a 150 mile range EV is enough for 95%+ of drivers for 95%+ of time provided they have home or destination charging. For the very few trips where you need to charge an EV a bit more than you would need to fill an ICE, I just accept that the journey might take a little longer - for me bladder anxiety is far more important than range anxiety. Finally Robert is completely wrong, "tree hugger" is not a right wing phrase - the first reference to tree huggers goes back to 1730 in India. It is true that it is often used in a derogatory way by some bigots, but it was not a right wing to start with

@patreekotime4578

10 ай бұрын

Even here in the US, most people dont need a vehicle with that kind of range. I live in a rural area in the mountains and I could easily do everything I need to do with 200 miles of range. Unfortunately hybrids actually have made some of these issues worse because now people think it is "normal" for a car to get 500 to 600 miles on a tank of gas, when in fact the average car 20 years ago rarely went as high as 400 miles. And 30 years ago, feul tanks were smaller and 300 miles was considered normal and average. And every American seems to think they need to drive 400 miles straight with no breaks, and take the resulting kidney damage as a point of pride. 🤷

@davidthornton3346

10 ай бұрын

It's not range anxiety for me. It's charger anxiety. When I rock up to a charger, I don't want it to be broken or have to wait to use it. But very slowly this anxiety is going as the network improves

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

@@davidthornton3346 Not just that, but affordable charger anxiety. I'd get a VW e up if my parents didn't live in a terraced house for instance.

@judebrown4103

10 ай бұрын

​@@waqasahmed939there are subscriptions you can take out which can reduce the price considerably if it helps 🙏👍

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

@@jebushypocristos 132.7p/litre for petrol Most of my journeys are to the tram station and back, other than the journey to my parent's house

Well done I have been lobbying my MP Kemi Badenoch by writing and sending her information and links to items on your show. So far I get the stock reply. We mere mortals siply don't have an effective route to those that have the real infuence. I get the impression that career polititans such as my MP really dont care, its whatever will win them their jobs back no more than that.

One thing that has been brought to my attention recently is the issue of mobility cars in the UK going electric. My mum is due a new mobility car and she has had a double knee and hip replacement, so has real mobility issues. For the past month my dad has kept note of the electric charging points in places near to them that they often go. At home they need to park off street, so can’t charge. Every single point he has found is either at the far end of the car park or in a location that means, at least for my mum, far too much walking. With the amount of mobility cars on the road, this is an issue that is going to need a solution in the very near future

@rogerphelps9939

7 ай бұрын

Yes. EV charge points should be right at the front of the car park, along with spaces for the disabled and those with kids. That would have the added bonus of making them more visible and deterring any vandalism attempts.

@jimparr01Utube

7 ай бұрын

With the RoboTaxi coming up, folks with limited mobility need to be accommodated. Tesla's Taxi concept so far has not considered this but I have tried to highlight this as an issue with various 'connected' KZreadrs.

@raymondvaughan6262

7 ай бұрын

Just one what happens if you can't charge at home answer please

@richardcarter1000

4 ай бұрын

I think, as with a lot of the EV issues. They are really only viable if you can charge at home and use locally. Many of the public chargers cost more than diesel anyway. Your mum would do better to stick with an ICE until there is a U-turn on the ICE legislation

@raymondvaughan6262

4 ай бұрын

Good one mate they haven't really thought about this its gonna take a long time gonna be billions not fare on people who have trouble waking 👍

Thank you for pushing back as Misinformation has really gotten out of control lately. Some people genuinely do fear electric cars and the newspapers play to this fear as it generates clicks and revenue.

@toyotaprius79

10 ай бұрын

Follow the money

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

Equally, when countering misinformation we have to not assume everyone is anti EV I saw a person who said "Why would you buy a new EV when the costs are plummeting" which imo is a fair thing to say Someone else said they're talking a load of rubbish. The other person referenced KZread. Then the person who said they're talking a load of rubbish said that they shouldn't use KZread as a source I piped in, and said look that bit is actually true. Electric car values have indeed plummeted. I gave him an evening standard link He then said "You're using KZread to pretend you're right and they're only lowering in price because they're getting to the price that meets demand" I said "Whatever the reason, electric cars are absolutely going down in price, and I referenced the evening standard, not KZread" Then I was told "the gist of it is that you're wrong" I said "even in the face of overwhelming evidence?" I clarified that I'm not anti EV at all and I'd get a Hyundai Kona if they were under 7K and if anything, EVs going down in price is great for most people. My rationale is that I barely drive. I've not heard of anything since. Sometimes even pro EV people need to see that not everyone is against them. That, and I'm glad EV prices are dropping especially when I don't actually need to drive that often and it's therefore much harder for me to justify upgrading my car

@baconbuttties

10 ай бұрын

@@waqasahmed939 The same people who said EVs need to be cheaper are using cheaper secondhand EVs as a negative. If they are too expensive that is wrong, and if they are too cheap that is wrong. Supply and demand is most likely the fall in price for second hand electric cars and the price of electricity.

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

My next door neighbour for one is like that. I mentioned wanting to decarbonise my house.. He said "With all those electrical stuff in your house (referring to my solar panels), are they insured? I said yes. You have to tell your insurance. He also randomly mentioned just stop oil for whatever reason He said "Good because my house is next to yours" I then said I did consider getting an EV but I just don't drive that much. Most of my driving is to the tram and back He said "What if you want to go to Cornwall in an EV"? I said how often is anyone doing that? He said well people do it for their holidays maybe four times a year. He also mentioned that he's an HGV driver and drives for a living He said it takes 6 hours one way + 1 hour of charging every two hours which adds on another two hours to your journey " I was like "But it wouldn't. You could get a Hyundai Kona doing a real world mileage of 200 miles, stop and in 20 minutes you'd be charged up to 80%. Besides you're probably going to stop anyway because you need to go to the toilet" He kept going on that alleged north to south distance. I said "Look, I get it if you're an HGV driver or even my dad who's a taxi driver and has a terraced house. I get it if driving is your main job main job and if driving is your main job AND you've got nowhere to charge but it's fine for the majority" He still wasn't buying it and said he's apparently never wrong, and he hopes he won't be around when everyone has an EV. He also mentioned another couple of people in the street who got rid of their EVs in favour of cheaper cars. That couple are going through a divorce so they're probably downsizing because divorces aren't cheap

@robertangeline9526

10 ай бұрын

What a fool will believe!

We picked up our EV from Kia three years ago, at the the time I had more knowledge about EVs than the KIA salesman, that was due to the fact that I have been watching Fully Charged for more than five years. When charging I am often approached by people with a ton of questions and often with stupid remarks about EVs and their “many problems”, misinformation is definitely a factor holding many back from buying EVs.

@rodden1953

10 ай бұрын

Same here i got my first Kona in 2019 and i knew how to drive it 100 miles home by watching Fully charged and a few other videos , And when im charging i get get the same people asking stupid questions, i remember a guy telling me Tesla wont last long they will soon be beaten by the German's.

@peterhetherington914

10 ай бұрын

@@rodden1953 who? the Germans who just took some old models they already made and retro-fitted them with batteries and motors and fobbed those heavy lumps off as EVs? Those Germans? As much as I dislike a lot of what Musk says and does, the EV industry has Tesla to thank for where we are now, with the number and quality of vehicles available.

@rogerphelps9939

10 ай бұрын

@@peterhetherington914 If by "Germans" you mean VW, I have to tell you that their subsidiary, Skoda, makes the excellent Skoda Enyaq (in the Czech Republic). The Enyaq has been rated better than the Tesla Model Y by various motoring organisations and the UK Consumers Association has reached the same conclusion. Cupra, aka Seat, have good models too.

@rodden1953

10 ай бұрын

@@peterhetherington914 It was what some old guy was telling me , i didnt say it .

@peterhetherington914

10 ай бұрын

@@rodden1953 yes, I understood it was not your point of view, after all you drive an EV

New Jeep Avenger EV is selling so poorly that the brand is now launching petrol versions in more and more markets, including the UK.

This is the first time that I have come across your channel. I own a 10 year old diesel vehicle and haven’t switched because I simply cannot afford to buy another vehicle. I would love to own an electric vehicle in the future and hope that the infrastructure and the technology will be there to make my transition seamless.

@bob808

10 ай бұрын

I hear you on that! I own an 11 year old diesel. If I may ask, how many km/miles do you typically travel in a day? Also, are you able to install a charger at your home/business? If I bought an EV with the same features as my (Chrysler 300) diesel, I'd be looking at A LOT of money! My car can achieve between 600 and 900km on a tank. Mind, I have only travelled 900km _once_ in a day since I've owned it.

@philtucker1224

10 ай бұрын

I think new cars with electric instead of petrol/diesel engines will ultimately be the same price as each other. (There’s obviously no point in manufacturers making them un-obtainable) so I don’t think future “prices” will be an issue, in any sales environment.

@philtucker1224

10 ай бұрын

We must remember also that in the U.K. in particular, outright vehicle purchase is extremely rare now anyway. For the last decade or so most new cars are purchased via a three/four year lease purchase scheme, so finite battery life anxiety should not be an issue at this stage.

@brianthesnail3815

10 ай бұрын

@@philtucker1224 It is an issue because lease costs depend on the terminal resale value of the vehicle. EV resale prices have collapsed because nobody trusts the residual battery life on a used EV after four years.

@mrpugster

10 ай бұрын

Consider yourself lucky, I have a 10 year old diesel, can't afford to change my car, live inside the new ULEZ zone and will be hit by £12.50 a charge a day. Khan is using net-zero / air quality horror stories to force in another tax that is going to hit so many people and it's just to raise money. This is only the start and pay per mile is in the works.

I'm an automotive engineer, but even then, people will believe some stupid article over my knowledge. Infuriating. There is some of this fud in the Netherlands too though.

@zoobrizz

9 ай бұрын

Yes. They have rapid depreciation and the battery will only have 50% left in 5 years🤡👍. But great for anxiety.

I've seen cars blowing up all the time in movies...oh...hold on..those are liquid-fueled vehicles, not EV's

@GadgetMart

10 ай бұрын

Have a look at lithium battery fire anywhere here on KZread. It’s utterly horrific, yes EVs can set on fire in an accident - so can petrol, but at least it can be controlled and extinguished with fire fighting equipment. Lithium batteries can even burn underwater.

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

@@GadgetMart Do you ever fly off on holiday? Does the fact you are travelling along at great speed in a pressurised metal tube, being propelled along by exploding chemicals, ever cause you a moment's concern?

@GadgetMart

10 ай бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh No, flying is very bad for your carbon footprint.

What is your comment on why used EVs are difficult to sell and the value has dropped drastically?

Are these jokers serious?? There was a large toxic fire at the WRX championship, lots of toxic pollution and risk to human life, last week. This week a massive toxic fire destroys a huge cargo ship carrying cars, , abandoned and polluting the air and sea massively, killing and harming human life. Let 1 ev go up in a multi story car park. Everyone's insurance will have to go up. The potential to destroy property and human life is really a very serious problem. There is the damage caused to the roads from these heave EVs too... And of course, the environmental cost.

It's intriguing to observe, in a way, this display of chaos and panic. Corporations are known to act impulsively when they're backed into a corner, an action which often accelerates their downfall. This, in essence, is them inadvertently facilitating their own demise.

@dave4803

10 ай бұрын

Manufactures are the ones killing the electric car off. If they aimed electric cars at the masses rather than the rich and stripped off all the crap no one wants making a cheap and simple EV then they would sell and sell in great numbers. Most people just want a simple two door hatchback, basic mechanical/tactile controls like a basic petrol car has today, a real gear knob and handbrake, not the push button or twist crap they insist on adding. Add satnav and aircon, apart from that the car needs nothing, just give it a semi decent range, 200 miles would do it and sell it for 12 to 15 grand. Speed at least 70mph for motorway reasons. And before anyone disagrees with me this is what China does and they in their own country alone outsell the likes of Tesla world wide. The future of the electric car lies with cheap transport for masses, not play things for the rich, car manufactures need to listen to their customers instead of forcing what they want on others.

@adus123

10 ай бұрын

@@dave4803 No mater How you look at it Electric is the way forward. You've raised a number of valid points that suggest manufacturers need to reconsider their approach to EV production and marketing. Rather than focusing solely on the luxury market, companies could significantly increase adoption of electric vehicles by offering more affordable, no-frills options tailored to the needs of everyday drivers. There's certainly a strong demand for simplistic and practical EVs that offer the comfort of traditional elements, such as tactile controls, physical gear knobs and handbrakes, as opposed to more modern, digital counterparts. Furthermore, features like satellite navigation and air conditioning, along with a respectable range of around 200 miles, would indeed make for an appealing and affordable EV option. A top speed that supports highway travel would also be essential for many potential buyers. As you rightly pointed out, China's strategy of catering to a broader consumer base has led to impressive sales within their borders, surpassing many well-known global brands. This indicates a significant potential for mass-market, budget-friendly electric vehicles. Manufacturers need to understand and prioritize consumer needs and preferences, rather than pushing their own agendas. If the goal truly is a more sustainable future with widespread EV adoption, manufacturers must recognize the necessity of affordable, practical electric cars, not just high-end models for a niche market.

@dylanadams1455

10 ай бұрын

@@dave4803 agree completely. I think the low price Tesla Model 2/whatever you want to call it will open the floodgates. If MG and BYD can ramp up their efforts we can have choice and affordability

@dave4803

10 ай бұрын

@@dylanadams1455 Yes. Call me old fashioned but I like a car to be like a car, not a laptop on wheels. I want simple things like a machinal hand brake and a normal gear knob, these things are better to the touch and connect a driver to the car. But everything being push button or touch screen doesn't feel right and it puts off a lot of people. Until they make a EV more like a traditional car, fix the price and give the car a semi decent range of 200 miles they will never appeal to everyone. Even the likes of MG and BYD still force a hateful electronic hand brake and the turn switch gear selector on customers. Real drivers don't like these things and until they listen they will never sell them in great numbers. People will sooner hold onto their old petrol cars.

@adus123

10 ай бұрын

@@dave4803 There is no need for a gear knob in a EV there point less. Yes we Need more affordable Evs and they will come from the likes of Mg, Byd, Tesla, and others most of the Early evs have Been talked about the thing Luxury market Because developing a new platforms is not cheap this is the sector that can afford to pay the high costs. Now the likes of Tesla Perfected them platforms they can Start to make them more affordable.

I'm always trying to dispel myths about EV driving. I'm sure the oil companies are behind much of the misinformation.

@Flo-ez3nq

10 ай бұрын

I agree with that. Oil and gas is the biggest money generating Industrie for the last 50 years. They won't accept a loss of money just like that.

@garagewindowrailway

10 ай бұрын

There are also the established parts, servicing industries as well as vehicle manufacturers who are still only making ICE and "self charging" hybrids.

@henrytang2203

10 ай бұрын

Then you have the black hat 🎩 EV supporter like me. I drive an EV for the fuel cost savings, responsiveness, and fast quarter mile times for a relatively affordable price. But I'd buy an EV even if it emitted more CO2 - I don't care about my carbon footprint - this shuts down the battery production pollution argument by the 'other' crowd.

@sargfowler9603

10 ай бұрын

No, I just think it's now public knowledge that they're not for everyone.

@stevemyers2092

10 ай бұрын

nothing to lose and everything to gain by spending a small % of income for this purpose.

As a US consumer that needs to buy a new car I am all for buying an EV, but after doing my research I found that even with the $7500 federal credit EVs are simply out of my budget. It seems to me that the main obstacle is the greed of car manufacturers, who don't even want to offer inexpensive EVs or PHEVs in the US. So, for me the only viable option is to buy an inexpensive, reliable and fuel efficient ICE car like a Nissan Versa and plan to buy my EV in 10-15 years, once prices and battery reliability are better. TBH I even considered paying a bit more for a Prius Prime (and since most of my driving is short range and I will have a charger in my garage, most of its use will be electric), but every indication is that I'd face a waiting list, andbwhen ready to buy I will need it either the same day or at most within a week of placing the order. That pretty much made it a non-option for me.

@leonbell5141

10 ай бұрын

The rich don’t care they want you to pay for expensive electric cars and into public transport 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@Tom-dt4ic

9 ай бұрын

Don't forget to factor in your lower fuel costs over the lifetime of the car. That's a good 8,000 for most average drivers. Plus the much lower costs of maintenance over the lifetime of the car. As for the slightly higher up front cost at this time, I think that will get better as early as next year. Good luck!

@rp9674

3 ай бұрын

Prius Prime $32,975, Chevy Bolt EV $27,500, I got a nicely equipped Bolt for $30K. Very reliable.

@nospamallowed4890

3 ай бұрын

@@rp9674 Nissan Versa $15k, about the same as those two cars will be worth after about 1 year of depreciation. And far cheaper insurance and repair costs. The Prime is admittedly a better car, but the last time I looked for one in Florida (on the incorrect assumption that the federal rebate would apply) I couldn't find a single one and dealer markups for an order were brutal. The Bolt (not being sold right now) is about the equivalent of a Versa in EV flavor... for twice the price. I'm likely to buy that Versa in the next month or so.

@rp9674

3 ай бұрын

​@@nospamallowed4890if you can find a Chevy bolt 1-year-old for 15k, buy it! Even the cheapest gassers like Versa are so much improved over older cars, love stick shift, hate buying gas, oil changes & especially timing belt change. I DIY changed my timing belt and motor mounts on my Ford Focus I kept it for years as a backup car, never used it, got rid of it

How strange that everyone bashes the macmaster when he's the only one who's telling people About EV's while driving around in one and showing the real time problems, instead of sitting in front of a Mikrophon bashing others.

I've spotted this and glad to see you guys have picked up on it too. The issue is that EVs can be charged using YOUR home generated solar energy, something a few colleagues are already doing. So guess what, they want to push hydrogen and so called clean carbon fuels for ICE engines because big oil wants to keep control of energy production, distribution and sale.

@TheBarnster75

10 ай бұрын

Hydrogen is years off...the amount of new infrastructure to produce it let alone distribute it is enormous.

@burnzy3210

10 ай бұрын

Because we all live in houses we own with off street parking right?

@cwt5654

10 ай бұрын

@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Powerwall.

@drunkenhobo8020

10 ай бұрын

The one that always gets me is the big nationalists that are dead against UK solar and wind. _Surely_ the likes of Farage would be totally pro using British wind produced in Britain for Britain with no influence from those awful foreign countries and their hostile anti-Britain stances? I mean he's totally pro-Britain, right? Not a Russian stoolie or anything.

@fullychargedshow

10 ай бұрын

No, in the UK only 60% of houses have off street parking. However we know of 100's of people with no off street parking who drive electric cars and they and everyone they drive past benefits from their decision.

Rowan Atkinson was given the Goodwood Festival of Speed slot to reinforce his views on evs citing Hydrogen as a better solution, he needs inviting as a guest and see if his opinions can stand up to reasoned arguments!

At least one crew member has died and several others were injured overnight after fire ripped through a car carrier ship off the Dutch coast, with an electric car believed to be the cause. Rescue helicopters and boats evacuated 23 crew members from the Panamanian-registered Fremantle Highway, a 18,500-ton car-carrying vessel with almost 3,000 vehicles on-board. Officials have said there are 'many' wounded. Crews could not extinguish the fire

I work in a main dealer who deals with EVs and conventional cars. All I can tell you is, we are always being asked to check the battey condition, because they don't have the promised range. We have had one car combust whilst on charge, so now we have to quaranteen the EVs. We dont really see them between services, except for tyres and brakes ( which they go through at a heavier rate than other vehicles) they are also heavier, but the big issue is the electronics, Battery Monitoring system failiers also the safety issues when working on the hot side electronics. They also need to be quarantined if theres any battery damage in an accident, insurance companies instantly write them off if theres any battery damage. One fact is when the batteries are finished they are landfill fodder. Most other fueled cars are very recyclable. Personally working " in the Trade" I will never have an EV unless thats all thats left, then I might go to steam first.

@Hybridog

10 ай бұрын

They are not put in the landfill legally.

@steve00alt70

10 ай бұрын

And who are your customers? Are they very well off? And do you charge the customer when you have to replace the EV battery?

@fullychargedshow

10 ай бұрын

I want to know what brand you work on. I have been driving electric cars for 14 years. The tyres and brakes last much much longer than any of the ICE cars I drove for 45 years before that. And I rarely take the car in for a service because it doesn't need it, which puts a strain on companies who service ICE cars with their built in obsolescence and endless need for oil changes, spare parts, wear and tea. I know this because I had those cars for decades and they were a complete and utter money sucking nightmare that kept chaps like you in clover.

@seekeroftruthandjust

10 ай бұрын

​​​​​​@@fullychargedshowA VW ID4 costs £38,000 and depreciates by £19,000 in two years. A VW golf diesel costs £23,000 and depreciates by £5,000 in two years and costs £175 for a service. And according to you the golf being an ice car is a money pit. Thank goodness you aren't financial advisors 🤪🤪

@deanonesense

7 ай бұрын

​@@fullychargedshowif your tie rods, shocks, control arms, half axels and wheel bearings are lasting longer on EV than ICE it's probably because you're driving different. If your tires are lasting longer it's definitely because you're driving different.

Thank you all, you certainly have my support and I have just subscribed to FairCharge and added my name to that campaign. Well done for bringing our attention to that and the need to combat the media rubbish!

The pothole one makes me laugh...it can't possibly be anything to do with the trend to SUVs or loads of delivery vans on the road. The RAC has written a good reprot on tyres too, dispelling the tyre wear myth.

@PjotrStroganov

10 ай бұрын

Heavy cars in general will add to this problem.

@patreekotime4578

10 ай бұрын

And it certainly cant have anything to do with half a century of paved roads without dramatic improvements in paving technology.

@Sp_75-76

10 ай бұрын

@@PjotrStroganovno where near as much as all the fuel tankers driving around to restock all the petrol stations

@chuckspencer8540

10 ай бұрын

Bring back steam rollers to build roads properly,but electric powered versions!!!

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

@@Sp_75-76 Around 25% of *all* the diesel produced is used to deliver the rest of it to where it is sold or stored......

The EV is promoted like the Covid vaccination 🤔🤔🤔

@bw1376

10 ай бұрын

"Eat your bugs, take your jab and buy an EV".

People in the UK are broke. Physically, mentally and financially. Telling them they need to spend £100k on Solar, Home Batteries, Ev chargers, Smart Meters, EPC Home Upgrades, Electric Cars, Heat Pumps and smart subscriptions... isn't going down well. On top of interest rates, inflation, energy pricing, cost of living & constant barrage of Social & Main Stream Media. If the Government get the people fighting each other first... it takes the heat off them. People are thick. That's the problem.

I have no axe to grind either way. I've always run older cars which cost £2000 or so, then run them for 4 or 5 years, maintaining them myself. My issue is that I can't see how this bangernomics model works 20 years from now. I fear the age of the cheap car is nearly over.

@leonbell5141

10 ай бұрын

Yep driving will be for the rich and will won’t own our cars will replace every 3 years batteries are thousands of pounds…EV aren’t net zero

@AutumnWind92

10 ай бұрын

​@@leonbell5141replacing a car every 3 years is insane. The west is mad. Cars should run for at least 10 years, but that isn't profitable I guess

Having a electric car is the best car I have ever owned. Amazing to drive, cheap to run

@andrewtorrens947

10 ай бұрын

Take it you don't drive long journeys in the uk then???? More expensive than petrol ..trying to find chargers that work with no one using them.....and sitting about for 45 minutes waiting for enough range to get 200 useless miles!!! I also don't have to replace my engine or fuel tank after a average of ten years!!! If electric cars were so good....why ban ice vehicles.....because electric vehicles are polluting as well!!!

@darrengarvie8832

10 ай бұрын

Yes cheap to run at the moment wait until electricity prices go up and the taxation on them come. But EV are ok still a long way to go I have more hope of hydrogen power in time a EV is unsustainable over time.

@stum8374

10 ай бұрын

​@darrengarvie8832 hydrogen is NOT the future possible a part off, hydrogen needs trucked into where its need,Electric lines are all ready there,if only there are more chargers and they are ALL working,2030 is not a lot of time for an ICE ban. WHAT EXACTLY DO THE GOVT WANT everyone in an ev so they NEED to make sure they are enough chargers for 30 million cars. 😂😂😂

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

@@darrengarvie8832 Hydrogen is mostly pointless imo. It's electricity with extra steps I could however see hydrogen being used in HGVs.

@burnzy3210

10 ай бұрын

Expensive to buy Expensive to insure Expensive when there's a problem Depreciates like mad

Just signed up to StopBurningStuff on Patreon. Can't even get the Honda and Nissan dealerships here in Dubuque to turn on the ChaDeMo or mixed fast chargers that they have installed. I'm participating in an event in September where I will be talking up my 2018 Leaf and other EVs, and your correction of disinformation will be essential. "We will do it with grace, and we will do it with transparency, and we will do it with honor and expertise." Gave me a thrill.

I was at a climate change meeting with work yesterday and the speaker said that multi storey car parks will need to be reinforced due to the mass adoption of EVs. It was also suggested that the roads will melt!!????

@LaReynedEpee

10 ай бұрын

I hope you stood up and refuted that nonsense

The problem about a fact checking piece after the fact (and it is important to do that) is that it is significantly less effective... I've had lots of people mention the Rowan Atkinson piece to me. I've had no one mention the fact checked corrections to me... (With the exception of EV sites and such) Also, as someone in the US.... No, this isn't just a British problem... ;-) I figured you guys got that from us...

@Alessandro---

10 ай бұрын

In the USA, you have a worse problem than here. In the UK, small workshops are sprouting, preserving heritage vehicles and converting them into electric powertrains (Everrati comes to mind). Thanks to Brexit, our mass car industry is essentially end of life and only has little political influence (can't really call JLR, Lotus and McLaren mass car manufacturers). However, the USA have a strong ICE sector battling for survival. Just like the tobacco or the sugar industries, they won't necessarily fight squarely.

@sparkymark75

10 ай бұрын

@@AegisKPeople took the fact that he had a degree in engineering as some sort of endorsements of his opinion even though he’s never worked in the motor industry. And if he was “duped”, then he’s only got himself to blame for not doing his research which you would expect any educated person to do. And while we get rebuttals from actual experts rather than celebrities, people don’t know who they are and ignore them!

@sparkymark75

10 ай бұрын

@@AegisK It all makes sense now!

Its not just newspapers, KZread has been suggesting lots to watch from EV detractors to me.

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

Oh yes, they're certainly out there all right. And some of them are becoming quite slick at peddling nonsensical EV cobblers.....

My (company financed) iX3 is currently on its way from China on a boat. I wonder how long it will be before my new ‘green’ form of transport pays back the vast carbon footprint it has already generated? Never mind the environmental damage that has been caused mining the materials for the battery. Fortunately for me it now allows me to go out and buy a second hand petrol car that I will actually enjoy driving. What a bizarre world we live in.

@albertov9664

10 ай бұрын

It will take aprox 70.000 miles, but, since the car will be returned after 3 years and changed for a new one, chances are you will never have a positive footprint. Now, if we consider the inefficient diesel generators used to charge must EVs ...

@MrMk3turbo

10 ай бұрын

Stick with petrol or diesel!!!

I am on of "those" people that likes my wife's PHEV. We can do the shopping and small commutes without adding to the atmospheric detritus in the city. We can charge relatively cheaply at home without specialised tariffs. when we use the ICE engine it is backed up by the EV portion so it doesn't sit there crapping out particulates in traffic - but we also do not need to deal with the current challenges with regards to long journeys. for all in tent it is an EV for over 60% of our use cases, but its also a convenient car where an EV would not be (for example long breaks in the lake district where we do not have an agenda or a plan). what's weird is that its clearly a compromise car, you find normal hybrids are probably more efficient hybrids and real BEVs are better at electrical travel - but that compromise really works if it fits your usecase's (and in our case, it does).

I’ve got an EV and have no plans to go back!! Going to a petrol station again puts me off

@burnzy3210

10 ай бұрын

Yeah filling up hundreds of miles of range in minutes and being able to pay with cash/card without an account, how awful.

@rogerphelps9939

10 ай бұрын

@@burnzy3210 Clearly you are unaware that all new chargers in the UK must provide the option for payment using contactless, no silly accounts or apps. The Tesla NACS + account model is obsolete. The sooner we get rid of all accounts and apps the better. Buying charging should be no more complicated than paying for anything else that is inexpensive.

@JakeRichardsong

10 ай бұрын

@@burnzy3210 Charging from home while sleeping is far more convenient and less costly.

@impy1980

10 ай бұрын

Sitting around for 40+ mins waiting for a charge when I've got stuff to do puts me off! I guess you've got plenty of time on your hands or go no where but the supermarket!

@karlnewbold8741

10 ай бұрын

​@@JakeRichardsongFor now.

The panorama programme about EVs left me speechless! Apparently the only way to charge your car at home is with a dodgy extension lead through an open kitchen window with your car parked on the pavement 😂I actually laughed out loud. Oh and it's £20 to completely charge your car that way!! Funny that I can charge my car with my windows closed using a zappi charger and it's costing me approx £3.50 a week for 200 miles! I was paying £40 a week for petrol with my previous car. We also have solar panels that are brilliant and will slowly charge the car free of charge. The ignorance is astounding. I love my ID3 it's the best car I've ever had. And no I'm not a millionaire either. It's on a lease!

@prof1066

10 ай бұрын

Lucky you, but if you cannot park out side your house, millions cannot.

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

@@prof1066 Check out green mole EV for terraced houses :)

@juliedavies5186

10 ай бұрын

Millions can which is a good start and there are plenty of companies working on solutions for public chargers along every road. We saw one at the fully charged show. Stay positive because we are witnessing good changes for future generations.

@brianthesnail3815

10 ай бұрын

@@juliedavies5186 How do we get the electricity to the chargers using the old distribution cables currently running under all our streets? Do you know the capacity of those cables and the local transformers they are linked to? How does that compare to the total demand in a typical street in the evening when people plug in their EVs to charge on top of their lighting, heating, cookers and hobs and other household demand?

@jvoric

10 ай бұрын

I’ve been wanting to go electric for months , so 8 days ago I traded on my thirsty 2018 Astra SRI tourer 1.4T petrol for a 2021 Renault Zoe and so far I’m so happy with it! We don’t have off road parking so are reliant on public charging network. Having done our research we’ve found the cheapest and some free chargers near us including a free rapid charger! Charging while we go shopping,brilliant!

All most people want is a choice. Not to have EV cars only rammed down their throats.

@nicolagianaroli2024

10 ай бұрын

Correct. It is called freedom of choice. Or even shorter : freedom

@Hybridog

10 ай бұрын

And who is ramming EVs down the throats of anyone? EVs make up a very small part of cars for sale right now. The majority are still ICE cars. Just because EVs exist means they are being forced on you?

@karlnewbold8741

10 ай бұрын

@Hybridog TV adds. News. KZread. So don't tell me they are not being rammed down.our throwts. If you like them, so be it, but not everyone is the same. The world would be most boring.

@nicolagianaroli2024

10 ай бұрын

@@Hybridog aren’t u aware of the 2030 sale ban on ice? Do u live on the moon?

@AutumnWind92

10 ай бұрын

​@@Hybridogget out of your cave, ICE is getting banned. They force us to get ev junk

Thank you for a thoughtful piece. I had noticed an uptick in FUD stories too. Thanks for your channel. You gave me the confidence to purchase my first EV, a second-hand Nissan Leaf, a purchase which for me has given me the confidence that a more climate-positive action is possible.

I have just changed my diesel Yaris verso for a lovely Dacia Spring Expression. Wish I'd done it before, but am so enjoying it. Perfect for my life in the French countryside. No longer having to do 20 km round trips to filling stations, I just plug it in at home. Thanks Fully Charged, keep it up.

@JakobusVdL

10 ай бұрын

That's really cool Trixie, I hadn't though of that situation. I wonder how many other people in more remote areas have to make special trips to fossil fuel filling stations, which could be avoided by having an EV? Enjoy your Dacia EV.

These "EV-negative" stories go viral because they feed into what people already think/hope to be true... 😕

@MrAdopado

10 ай бұрын

I agree. People clutch onto anything that means they don't need to consider changing from what is familiar.

@hughmarcus1

10 ай бұрын

I once listened to a talk from a fascinating guy, who among other things, was described as a futurist. Using the q&a he was asked what a futurist was. He laughed, “Most people live in the past so I talk about the present & they think it’s the future, some businesses actually pay me for it too” I thought it was very apt.

If only all press information was just fact checked, thanks for your work. I’m a domestic gas engineer ironically with a Electric van and want to transition to renewables* edited * I now have some renewables training booked .

Thanks for this video. You are doing a great job. I have owned an EV for 4 months and I could not be more delighted with it. Even driving to the fish and chip shop is a pleasure! I am getting a 300 mile range at the moment. Recently, I drove 165 miles from south Manchester to York and back. I left home on 81% charge and returned with 27%. I didn’t even need to charge en route. This style of video appeals to logical analytical people like me. The challenge we face is that most people do not have the time or patience to research things in detail. They believe headlines and react emotionally. And of course bad news is more exciting than good news. The stories and videos that grab most attention are showing all the problems that one can encounter with an EV - usually wildly exaggerated. As you mentioned, we need you to demonstrate real life stories of people using their EVs with no drama whatsoever. The challenge is that stories in which nothing goes wrong are rather boring, so some creativity is needed!

I bought my first electric car in March this year (2023 for those finding this video in the distant future). I got all of the anti-EV stuff from various family members prior to my purchase (e.g. videos of an EV blowing up in a charging station, somewhere in China I think; the "leave you stranded at the side of the road" stuff, you won't be able to charge it, it won't be cheaper than your old petrol car, yada yada). Needless to say, it has completely failed to explode - it's not even slightly caught fire, nor has it left me stranded anywhere, the tyres have all failed to burst, and I've yet to come back to a pile of rubble when I park it in a multi-storey car park. Clearly, all very disappointing outcomes.... Instead, I get to waft about in near silence (the first few times at traffic lights were eerie - no vibrations, no noise, just the radio playing). I don't even have a fast charger yet, I charge it entirely using the "granny lead". I've not yet had to use ANY public charging infrastructure (and, if I'm honest, that's the ONE aspect of ownership that I'm even remotely jittery about). I'm totally sold so far, and when the lease is up on this car in 2 1/2 years time - by which time I hope Sodium batteries are available, or LiFePo are more widely available, then I shall certainly be replacing it with another EV. Coming from owning a 2001 supercharged Jaguar XJR - one of the nicest things about owning an EV, is not having to wonder if it'll start in the morning!

@leonbell5141

10 ай бұрын

You don’t travel long distance 💯 and can afford the initial costs as is a waste of money long term pity the children have to mine the minerals and basically supports China who are the main beneficiaries of electric cars 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@seekeroftruthandjust

10 ай бұрын

Good luck with the residual value.. My 2007 jaguar x-type diesel is going up in price

@theelectricmonk3909

10 ай бұрын

@@seekeroftruthandjust I had a diesel x-type for a while. Good luck getting anything more than scrap value for it when it inevitably dies in 2-3 years time. DAMHIKT.

@seekeroftruthandjust

10 ай бұрын

@@theelectricmonk3909 Dream on well maintained diesels do not die 😝😝and keeping a 14 year old jaguar on the road is far far cheaper and more environmentaly friendly than buying a new EV with it's massive carbon intensive production and costs

@theelectricmonk3909

10 ай бұрын

@@seekeroftruthandjust How many miles do you drive each year? Basically, every 70,000 miles your car does, it emits as much CO2 *alone* as it took to make my car (approx 19 tons of CO2). Not to mention that every single time you go anywhere you leave, in additon to the CO2, a cocktail of poisonous fumes e.g. NOx (oxides of nitrogen), particulate matter (PM10 and PM2. 5) as well as SOx (oxides of sulphur), carbon monoxide, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and numerous other harmful emissions. And before you get onto the tyre wear/brake wear thing - you're probably leaving just as much rubber on the road as I am, and way more brake dust - I hardly ever use my actual brakes. If your car has done less than 70k miles, at it's age, then I'll be amazed. Furthermore, just because it's already emitted its 15-19 tons of CO2 when it was produced, doesn't suddenly make it "green". Finally: I've only calculated the CO2 at the tailpipe for your car. Obviously there's a whole load more CO2 emitted between sucking the oil out of the ground, transporting it at least quarter of the way around the planet, refining it into diesel, then transporting it to the filling station. Mainly because, I'm bored of googling stuff you could do yourself, just because you're blind to reality.

As I have been an EV fan for years but sadly not an owner due to my disability/unemployment the last 4 years I do spend around an hour or more a day on social media defending and correcting the miss information on EVs and renewable technology. Usually its the same miss information over and over again so any help with fact-checking will be helpful. I would say its mostly coming from our North American and UK "friends" but I'm pleased to see more owners replying to the mistruths more so lately.. Maybe its just me looking in the wrong place but the correct information regarding cobalt and lithium mining I find hard to correct people on as I'm not clear on the good and bad parts and if anything is improving in that area?

@philtucker1224

10 ай бұрын

Me too and I think a good future for society will be a well developed local transport network that precludes many of us having to own our own individual cars at very high monthly personal cost.

@markreed9853

10 ай бұрын

@@philtucker1224 sadly seems to be difficult to get governments and people to accept to pay for the massive improvements we all need to public transport. Also it's also difficult to get people to accept the longer travelling times for instance I would need to get multiple buses to travel 3 miles (5 miles out of a city centre ) as it will take me over an hour but in a car it's 10 minutes (I'm partially disabled) it's also not practical at all in certain areas outside of cities.

@philtucker1224

10 ай бұрын

@@markreed9853 yes I thoroughly agree. I do daily family school runs for 3 schools in our area for grandchildren of varying ages and not one of them has a viable bus option so it has to be by car which is very regrettable and expensive.

@Anonymous-ib8so

10 ай бұрын

You are being misguided then

@philtucker1224

10 ай бұрын

Let’s not delude ourselves about this. Mining generally has been a critical form of income for many people in mineral rich countries for hundreds of years and can provide employment where nothing else exists. We also need to be aware that ( particularly with weather generated renewables) due to their intermittent nature battery development is the only way to make these systems practical so large home-based battery banks and “power walls” will become much more common place over the next 50 years.

I would love to see a one on one interview between Robert Llewellyn and The Macmaster. I think, through argument, the two of them (both strike me as fundamentally nice chaps) could tease out some of the very real issues facing EV drivers now and identify what needs to be done pre-2030 to avoid a massive looming c**k-up!

@Paul-67

10 ай бұрын

I totally agree.

@richardhintonracing

10 ай бұрын

You are right .

@michaelwhiles5282

10 ай бұрын

No skin in this game - if these boys are so convinced they SHOULD invite The Macmaster for a live chat - bet they won't !!!!

@pseudonayme7717

10 ай бұрын

It's amusing to me that they seem surprised that the MSM is misinforming people about this. Look at covid and the war in Ukraine and you will see the same thing. Disinformation is the MSM's bread and butter, so this is not an outlier.

@Sp_75-76

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelwhiles5282 the macmaster is in it for clicks. Truth and accurate information have no place when you are after viewing numbers. He always charges to 100% which he knows is guaranteed to show the EV in its worst light. His recent video showed him having to sleep in his car, which he blamed on the car, not the fact that he drove to Scotland during the high season but did not book any accommodation before hand He also started off the trip, driving to a Porsche site to charge, arrived with 74% charge and charged to 100% then spent ages going on about he had to eat lots of biscuits and cakes because the charging takes so long A little later on he stopped for a break, at a site where all the chargers were unused but didn’t bother charging. I have put loads of negative comments on his videos pointing things like this out and each time got a heart from the Macmaster as the all had to his viewing scores

Working in a garage its depressing the sheer amount of misinformation around, most of my customers do not know I have an electric car (well phev, but we also have full electric), some I tell and they are surprised that I have a 9 year old car that 1. hasn't caught fire, 2. hasn't had 3 sets of batteries, 3. doesn't automatically try and run over children. (its also a diesel plug in hybrid so electric car fans hate it too! and petrol heads..) I get told all sorts of crazy arguments, one guy got really angry with me when I asked if he considered the environment when buying any of his previous vehicles, so why does he care all of a sudden about the environment now electric cars exist. Ignoring environmental positives (in my view) simply driving an electric car is more enjoyable to me, yet before people doing burnouts and removing the dpf's or cat's of the car to make it sound better because emissions aren't real are suddenly concerned about how green electric cars are, just boggles the mind.

Great to see you're fighting for this. I'd love to get involved. When I see these crazy comments and hear them at work, it really annoys me and I have to comment. But in a position way. I have had my EV for 3years now without a driveway. So no home charging but I'm managing fine😊

@paulbuckingham15

10 ай бұрын

What would also help immensely is people who charge at home and very occasionally charge on a long journey stop saying it would be guaranteed to be a nightmare without home charging. In essence they are doing the same as non EV drivers commenting on EVs. Doing the occasional charge on route in no way, shape or form gives you the experience or knowledge of those who live successfully with an EV, but without at home charging.

Small personal anecdote: one of my (Austrian) friends here in the US is a big car enthusiast who has been driving a number of high performance cars over the years, including Porsches, Mercedes, and Jaguars. Ever since I bought my first EVs (first a Nissan Leaf, then a Tesla Model 3, recently a Model Y) he's been bombarding me with anti-EV articles from the German and US press. All the usual stuff about burning EVs, parking garages collapsing, overloading the power grid etc. Currently he drives a Jaguar F-Type convertible and until recently a Nissan Murano. A couple of weeks ago he surprised me by buying a Kia EV6 on a whim, replacing the Murano, just because he was bored and had money to burn. Within two weeks he fell in love with it and barely drives his F-Type anymore. He has been raving about beating everyone at the light, and the effortless way it drives in general. Point being, for most people all it takes is the actual experience of driving an EV for a little bit to become converts. Speaking of EV-hostile presses, while Britain is certainly up there, the German press is in a league of its own, as befits a leading ICE manufacturing country. Incumbent special interests exert massive pressure on the press, and the national mindset is still very captive to combustion. Publications such as Bild and Focus try to outdo each other in hating on EVs. But even serious outlets such as Der Spiegel, which have increasingly shifted to pragmatic pro-EV stances can at times fall back on old reflexive habits of questioning the shift, in the name of "Technologieoffenheit" (openness to technology), the darling term of the political opposition to the transportation transition. I'm encouraged though by the general shift of the readership within the last 2-3 years, no doubt a direct result of more and more people actually experiencing driving EVs.

@johnwoodruff3487

10 ай бұрын

So not having anywhere near the charging infrastructure in the UK is not a problem? And when you find a charging point the cost is crazy.

@EVinstructor

10 ай бұрын

Is this not enough chargers for you? Note there are about 8,000 petrol stations in the UK and decreasing (source - Statistica). “At the end of June 2023, there were 44,408 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 25,521 charging locations. This represents a 36% increase in the total number of charging devices since June 2022. How many EV charging points in the UK Last month, 1,677 new EV charging devices were added to the Zapmap database. These figures show how many electric charging points in the UK there are that are part of the country’s public EV charging infrastructure. However, they do not include the many charge points installed at home or at workplace locations, which are estimated to be more than 400,000. Some of these EV charging points are available to the public in some form via community or visitor charging.” Source ZapMap

@johnwoodruff3487

10 ай бұрын

There are not enough charging points in the UK and how many of the charging points we have are not actually working?

@johnwoodruff3487

10 ай бұрын

@@EVinstructor you only spend 5-6 minutes in a petrol station that is not the case at a charge point,we have a problem.

@EVinstructor

10 ай бұрын

@@johnwoodruff3487 in the evening it takes me about 15 seconds to plug my car in. In the morning about 15 seconds to unplug it. Because I have free electricity at Tesla Superchargers at the moment I visit the one about 4 miles from my home if I finish work nearby. 20 to 30 minutes and it’s full. While there I’ll deal with my business admin of the day, messages, emails, accounts. I’ve owned EVs for four and a half years, the Tesla for 7 months. If I didn’t fill up on the free electricity I would only have had to use rapid chargers twice since owning the Tesla on a long journey to get dual controls fitted to the car. 220 miles each way. If I do the 50 mile journey to visit my mother I pass about a dozen rapid chargers. There could be more since I last counted. Then, as a Tesla driver I pass another 16 Superchargers I can use. Don’t need any of them of course because the car is good for 250 to 300 miles. I spend less time fuelling my EV than filling with petrol. Plugging in overnight takes seconds. When I go for the free electricity at the supercharger plugging in takes seconds and I just sit in the car doing things I’d sit on the sofa doing. It’s easier than living with an ICE car.

The Elephant in the room is not just that like other cars they can catch fire, but if you park in a Garage at home, a fire can destroy two Cars, the House, and maybe your Family. Spontaneous combustion while parked is unacceptable unless a very rare event.

It’s so, so difficult here in the UK to discuss issues sensibly. It’s refreshing to hear a logical, sensible discussion for once. It staggers me to listen to silly, uninformed comments daily about EVs, when really the only thing against them currently is our hopeless public charging network. Bravo.

I’m fighting them daily on all major social media platforms. They all think EVs are worse for the environment. They still think Batteries can’t be recycled. They think mining is worse than pumping for oil. I went to a car show yesterday and one individual insisted that I’ll need to buy a new battery in 10 years. I told him a Tesla Model 3 has 375,000 miles right now and he said that’s just that one outlier. In USA EV sales from 3rd quarter 2021 was at 3.7% to the 3rd quarter in 2022 was 6.1% I posted about this and some guy said the reason was there were not enough petrol cars made and so people had to buy EVs! LOL But he also said that the 1st quarter 2023 the sales tanked. HAHA. Unfortunately for him the real stats state that the sales for the 1st quarter 23 in the USA was at 7.1%. So, it was an increase. If it keeps going up like this, then in 6 years 100% of NEW Vehicle sales will be Electric. I think they are really scared about it and scared of change. I bought my 1st LEAF in 2012 Me and my EV Friends crash Gas Car Shows with our EVs to teach regular citizens about EVs. I’ve been told that Tesla doesn’t test their vehicles and if you slam the door too hard the car will blow up. HAHA, someone actually told me this and she was driving a convertible corvette. There’s so many unintelligent people out there with so many strange facts about EVs. I’m trying to spread the word about EVs to people who don’t own them but it seems that 90% of the comments I get are negative.

@LiiMuRi

10 ай бұрын

Keep up the good work

@NAY2GAS

10 ай бұрын

@@LiiMuRi Thanks.

@burnzy3210

10 ай бұрын

Recycling isn't magic

@hadenuff1503

10 ай бұрын

I love that you are gate crashing car shows. Great job shaking up the status quo! In December I asked to bring some electric cars and an electric van to a car show that is held annually in a seaside resort here in Australia and usually full of the old ICE vintage cars. To my surprise, the organisers thought it was great idea and changed the show to all electric, which I wasn't expecting. Had a great response. Visitors were shocked at the variety of EVs (and we only have a tiny selection here as we're still living in the last century) and they spent more time chatting with owners than with the salesmen from the manufacturers. Every convo plants a seed and seeing the cars in the wild changes minds. People power for the win.

@johnsmith-cw3wo

10 ай бұрын

@@NAY2GAS as long it keep people away from buying -Elon- Tesla cars, I support the anti EV propaganda. 🙃😎

In August 2018 I bought a year-old Kia Soul EV. Recently it passed 100,000 miles, and its 27kWh battery still does about 100 miles on a charge, not significantly less than when I first had it. From Southampton I make regular trips to Somerset and London, and have been to Cardiff, Bedford and Stratford-on-Avon, though sometimes time constraints have meant that I have needed to take a different car to various airports, to Kent and to West Wales. All of these trips are feasible in my car but they would need a bit of determination and planning. A car with even an extra 50 miles of range would make it all very easy, as few humans can go that far without a stop! Over the time I have had the car I've had struggles with charging, but things have got noticeably easier every year. It's cheap to run, powerful and quiet, though it is in truth pretty ugly to look at. People still tell me that EVs are not ready, even as I fulfil nearly all my journeys in a car that is anything but state of the art. There are issues with EVs, of course. They are still expensive to buy, and I know that I was lucky to be able to get the funds together to buy one, which many people won't be able to do until there is a good supply of cheap second hand vehicles. People, often people who ignore the ethics of other modern products, talk about the issue of cobalt in batteries being unethically sourced, but modern EV batteries have more or less eliminated cobalt, whilst it continues to be used in refining petrol and diesel as well as in the smartphones and laptops that the misinformation is typed on. Some sources claim that they are just as polluting, but in truth they are much less polluting over the same distance than petrol cars, even if they are charged from fossil sources, and the grid is increasingly decarbonising. EVs will never compete with walking, cycling or public transport in making a positive contribution to the world around them, but while our infrastructure continues to favour private vehicles they are the best thing we have.

The plain and simple fact is that the 'greenest' way to own a car is to extend the life cycle of your current car. Be it a petrol, diesel, hybrid or EV, changing your car every 2-3 years is extremely harmful to the environment. CO2 isn't the only consideration that has to be taken into account, to build any new car requires resources to be mined, some of those mining processes are extremely harmful to both the environment and the workforce.. if we all kept cars for at least 5 years then the environmental benefits would be pronounced. Although government and motor manufacturers would detest the loss of revenue. Ultimately, that's what this has boiled down to, new cars are so prohibitively expensive that most people are getting into newer cars thanks to pcp deals. I've owned my car for 8 years, change the oil at 7000 mile intervals (unlike the manufacturers recommended 20k mile intervals) and envisage that I'll be driving it for a good number of years to come.

I don’t personally believe any media, which has to include fully charged too, each side will always defend their end. No vehicle can be net zero, it’s impossible, as most motor manufacturing is outsourced, and not all are net zero. For me it’s more the logistics of an EV and my own time and patience. Our household has an EV and a diesel, and we often take trips to Scotland with a round trip of 550 miles, and we always take the diesel purely because the cottage we stop at has no wall charging and there are no EV chargers near the region, plus the diesel vehicle is the only one of the two that can do the trip without refuelling, and this is not possible with an EV and if we did take the EV we would have to stop at a charge station and waste 30-40 mins of our break. I don’t disagree with moving over to fully being an EV household, but from over two years experience, so far it doesn’t work quite how we would like atm.

I'm glad this has been noticed, every day the daily mail has had anti-ev articles, most full of total lies. One claimed the battery needs changing every 60,000miles!

@aussieideasman8498

10 ай бұрын

Check the first Leaf owners for how many needed battery swaps about then? I recall 'Drive the Lightning' had one done under warranty, but not sure what the mileage was. If it was one claim, then it was probably right. The lies come from all sides.

@eldictator1

10 ай бұрын

The nissan leaf is nearly 15 years old, even the new model is relatively outdated in chemistry and features

@aussieideasman8498

10 ай бұрын

@@eldictator1 It's still a conversation item. Are we only allowed to discuss 2023 EVs?

@therealjetlag

10 ай бұрын

@@aussieideasman8498ou’re talking about 20 year old battery technology. New batteries will outlive the car and then go on to have second lives as domestic solar storage and then be recycled. Mobile phones only had an 8 hour battery life 20 years ago. Is that relevant to discussions about today’s phone technology? Lies are not coming from all sides.

@aussieideasman8498

10 ай бұрын

@@therealjetlag I'm saying they bring up the public claims that are relevant to more than a decade ago and call people stupid because they counter with what we have today (no mention of dates). It's they who make the point in that way. If you can't see the snake oil in that, then you can't see past your nose. If you say your 20 year-old phone only has an 8 hr life, there is nothing wrong with that - just stipulate the age. It can be said in 2030.

I'm in Portugal,and was thinking about getting a Dacia electric/LPG hybrid,or an electric quad bike,but I had been put off by the rumours. Thanks for setting the record straight!!!

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

Just be aware that LPG seems to be on the slide in many areas now. Here in the UK, Shell are decommissioning *all* their LPG assets. LPG is actually a filthy fuel. The emissions during refining are horrendous, although the end user doesn't see these.

@AutumnWind92

10 ай бұрын

​@@Brian-om2hhsame as buying a new EV every 3 years but seems like most EV shills in UK don't like the truth about how dirty that business is.

Please source a plethora of Australian contacts to support and endorse this push back. The fear and ignorance of EV's and Heavy Transport solutions is out of control. We are just pawns in the global EV sales but what the UK does reflects our policies and drives change. 🙏🏼❤🇦🇺

After a 14 month wait I finally got my electric car a Vauxhall Mokka e and I bloody love it, it’s a joy to drive and after charging 30% which I Worked out to be approx £1.86. I’m disabled and only use my car to travel short distances and so happy to be driving electric.

@aedwards4496

9 ай бұрын

Well, you're lucky, what about millions of others who wish to drive more than short distances?

@jjmoyles

9 ай бұрын

All I said was that generally I had to wait a long time, and I like it, it’s up to the individual to decide

@aedwards4496

9 ай бұрын

@@jjmoyles Individuals can't decide if there isn't a choice. eg no ICE cars available to buy

New supporter here! Great idea to work with the community of the ev drivers. Keep up the good work ❤️

Would it be an option to find famous and so popular people with millions of followers who are excited about driving an EV, to let them tell their positive story about EV and show that on all the online media?

@vml14

10 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same myself. Let’s not just defend, but also promote the obvious (and not so obvious) benefits.

@vml14

10 ай бұрын

How about getting somebody like Stephen Fry to thoughtfully and gracefully reply in the Guardian and rip the Atkinson article apart?

@Anonymous-ib8so

10 ай бұрын

WHy should we believe them? They are mechanically clueless

@torquewindturbine5867

10 ай бұрын

@@Anonymous-ib8so why would anybody beleive that other actor/ comedian? Why do newspaper copy it? It all about marketing. Only 3% of the people have any technical background to understand EV technology.

@Anonymous-ib8so

10 ай бұрын

@@torquewindturbine5867 Rowan Atkinson is also an engineer so knows what he is talking about . Other than swallowing the EV propaganda of the industry lobby where do you hget you "facts" from?

Debate Geoff Buys Cars .

A timely and interesting case study in journalism. I can use this in the classroom. Thanks!

Keep up the good fight. I am a petrol head, but ev are just great vehicles for everyday use. I will soon say goodbye to my last ice vehicle and will be fully electric soon. Even my series 2a landrover is going electric.

This is great news. I too have noticed what appears to be a recent uptake in anti EV news, I guess it’s because the clock is ticking down and EV sales are up.

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

Yes, exactly. The increase in anti EV BS is quite noticeable just now...... Here on KZread there are 3 or 4 prime BS peddlers, who are so well practiced, they've virtually turned it into an art form.....

"Slows the transition" Slows the transition of private transport to the most wealthy 10%. "Electric cars aren't for everybody" That's the truth. The 90% will be forced out. And people who don't live in dense population areas are completely forced out. "Electric cars work" Electric motors work, for sure. Everything runs off batteries nowadays. The battery technology is rubbish. "There's new battery technology coming" They've been saying that for at least 50 years. About twenty years ago they were saying that aluminium batteries were going to change the world. We're still waiting. Beware of cons.

I'm right behind you guys. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Yes, please, fact check everything and push back where it is needed. But, also, just spew out better stories: "I drove 100 miles in my electric car and didn't need to charge it". "I had to perform maintenance on my Tesla (I refilled the windscreen washer reservoir)". And the negative ones: "Range Rover, towing a caravan, caught on fire on M5" etc. There are lots of clicks to be had.

@robinforrest7680

10 ай бұрын

100 miles? Big deal. So how long will it take me to do the 785km from Valence to Noirmoutier in an EV ? I can do it in 10 hours including stops (for coffee, not charging) in my 2001 VW T4, and still have 250km range left when I get there. EV’S are good for short local trips but NOT for long distance. Until the technology gets better there’s a place for both EV and ICE cars, but we’re not there yet. I just had a visit from some German friends with en electric Peugeot. They took 3 days to get to us in the middle of France. Never again they said.

@JakeRichardsong

10 ай бұрын

@@robinforrest7680 " I can do it in 10 hours including stops (for coffee, not charging) in my 2001 VW T4, " spewing toxic air pollution the whole time! Great job polluting the planet, well done.

@JakeRichardsong

10 ай бұрын

@@orionbetelgeuse1937 Total nonense, BS.

@sparkymark75

10 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@robinforrest7680I know people that regularly drive from the UK all around Europe with no issues. They too stop for a coffee and charge their cars while doing so.

@eldictator1

10 ай бұрын

EV’s use cobalt mined by children! Real story, only 20% of several million produced use it and it’s being phased out…The petroleum industry uses just as much cobalt to refine fuel and has no plans in stopping

Thank you so much for doing this. I thought about it when I was at Fully Charged North, and as you say the disinformation has only got worse since. I ordered an MG4 yesterday so I'm soon to join the fold!

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

You'll get one of the revised ones which *does* have a rear screen wiper..... It seemed to be a deal breaker for some.

@rp9674

3 ай бұрын

Put some Rain-x on that rear

According to analysis from Autovista, the company which owns Glass’s Guide and tracks car residual values, the average retained value in April for a used electric car after 3 years and 36,000 miles is 47.6 per cent of its new cost.

@Steve-re7tr

10 ай бұрын

Sadly, that’s not reality in the UK anymore (it was) - more recently, values have ‘tanked’

@bw1376

10 ай бұрын

@@Steve-re7trEV prices do seem to be getting worse, while prices of used petrol and diesel powered cars remain the same.

Writing off anyone with concerns is not the way to go, just respond with the facts and keep responding with the facts until people get the message

@ellieban

10 ай бұрын

I think it’s also necessary to first acknowledge and then address their fears. This tends to be a more effective strategy for changing minds than repeating facts.

@vorpalinferno9711

10 ай бұрын

Nobody is trying to kill EVs. They just arent viable enough. The real world range is not competitive, cars are too expensive, lithium/cobalt/manganese sourcing has become a logistics and ethics issue, batteries dont last long enough, the grid does not have the charging capacity and the charging infrastructure does not meet the mass adoption requirements. On another side electric motors dont produce satisfying music of combustion engines and they dont come with a manual. These problems will be fixed in the near future and then we will be fine.

@johhny711

10 ай бұрын

Exaclty , like driving a car and EV transported from China and thinking's it's good for the environment :)

@eldictator1

10 ай бұрын

Models planned for release in the next 2 years will have minimum ranges of 300 miles, faster charging and better longevity.. cobalt is used in the petroleum industry, it’s being phased out in EVs. Sodium batteries and other chemistries are being phased in by CATL ( the largest manufacturer) grids absolutely will be able to support mass use, cars and battery development actually support grid storage( there’s many videos on this channel talking to the national grid) Likely the car of 5-10 years from now will be price parity or cheaper than fuel, charge in ten minutes and averaging ranges 400 miles -600 miles

@Sp_75-76

10 ай бұрын

@@johhny711Vast numbers of ICE cars come into the country from abroad, probably more than the few EV’s, as there are so many more ICE cars - at the present

I think the biggest hindrance to EV adoption, at least here in the US is ICE car Dealerships. They just don't want to sell EV's. I have yet to see any Ice Dealer serious about selling them. Most would rather not have them on their lots as not much of the same maintenance as an Ice vehicle. They are not wise enough yet to see what products and services to market to an EV owner.

@Alessandro---

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Margins on ICE cars are paper-thin, so the only way to survive in a garage is maintenance and ... guess what ... EVs don't have any. Since manufacturers charge for employee training programmes (to have the workshop staff certified to work on high-voltage systems), I understand that dealerships don't see the ROI. Yet.

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

The biggest hindrance for say the developing world is also their energy grids being God awful

Great conversation about a really important and very disconcerting subject. I've noticed a big increase in anti-EV and renewable views expressed on mainstream and social media, which seems to have coincided with a big increase in EV sales. I'm not surprised to hear Quentin Willson say that big automakers are getting very worried about the potential impact of this negativity on their manufacturing strategies. I really like the idea of getting the voices of ordinary people who have adopted EV's, solar panels and home batteries heard. This will stand more chance of being believed by the general public than the voices of most politicians.

@stevegarside2471

10 ай бұрын

But sales have FALLEN in the real world, and depreciation is off a cliff! EVs are unsustainable and are far more harmful to the environment than UCE vehicles. It's far better to run older cars for longer, compared to a throwaway replace every three year society.

Brilliant initiative gents; thanks for making a stand for common sense!

Great discussion. Unfortunately, the rebuttal does not receive the same coverage, clicks, engagement as the misinformation.

I hope you ev owners thank all the children mining the cobalt so you can feel good. I hope you have as nice a day as these kids do

You won't change them. Much like you won't get them to admit that Brexit has failed.

@bw1376

10 ай бұрын

Haven't you learned that people in this country will not be dictated to? If we are told to do something, whether it is encouraged to buy a diesel car, vote a particular way on a referendum, take a questionable jab, and now buy an EV, people aren't going to listen? They don't trust the militant "I know better because I'm an affluent telly luvvy" like Robert. Most people just want to be left the hell alone.

Great work Gentlemen, I have a 21 year old Astra van with 275,000 miles on it. it's worth £500, witch is what I payed 7 years ago for it, I truly want an electric van but until they get more common and prices drop then I'll have to wait...But, I do want the transition for I.C.E. to electric vehicles, and clearer social media regarding the facts, sounds like a good move, "Stamp out the lies". Yours, (sort of carbon neutral) Lister.

@JakeRichardsong

10 ай бұрын

"I have a 21 year old Astra van" toxic spewing pollution van.

@rogerstarkey5390

10 ай бұрын

appropriate, but unfortunate name there Lister(😉) Smeg!

@impy1980

10 ай бұрын

Guarantee that Astra will have a lower carbon foot print over it's life than any EV you buy!

@waqasahmed939

10 ай бұрын

@@impy1980 Guaranteed not to Though there is an argument for keeping an old vehicle for as long as possible, if you're using less than the "average" miles ie : if you sold it someone else would only pollute MORE

@cjmillsnun

10 ай бұрын

@@impy1980 and you're wrong. Engineering Explained produced a video that debunks this.

ICE cars never catch fire here in the USA :/ if you believe the press. Speaking of Batteries: The 12V battery in my 2015 Leaf just failed (while the main battery is only 1 bar down)

@burnzy3210

10 ай бұрын

If you believe internal combustion cannot become external combustion you're a fool. Everything carrying a potential of energy can catch fire but electrical fires are by their nature more difficult to tackle.

@EleanorPeterson

10 ай бұрын

Of course ICE cars can catch fire. That's well known. They burn highly explosive fuel vapour and carry around a huge tank of inflammable liquid. That's not news. Fuel is designed to burn. So take care with it. In a way, it's remarkable that there are so few ICE fires considering the number of cars on the road and the number of idiots driving straight to the scene of the crash. But a battery isn't meant to catch fire under ANY circumstances. Not at all. Ever. So if just ONE electric vehicle - a very expensive vehicle, with all of its sophisticated charging and monitoring tech - experiences a problem and a battery fire ensues, that's shocking, outrageous, headline news.

@JakobusVdL

10 ай бұрын

But when I watch american TV and movies, they ALWAYS explode and burn furiously! Don't the American media watch TV & Movies??

They have no long-term future. I see lots of 10 year+ ICE cars on the road, same can’t be said for EV’s! They are for the rich eco-focussed crowd who won’t care what happens to them after their lease ends. Quite simply, they are too heavily flawed.

The biggest issue with electric vehicles, aside from the mining of the rare elements that are required for the batteries, is that people cannot afford them, at least in the UK. The cost of new electric vehicles is horrific, I for one cannot afford to buy one and I'm not poor. That, combined with the depreciation curve, makes EV ownership a pipe dream for many people.

@waywardgeologist2520

10 ай бұрын

Which rare elements?

@davidstorm4015

10 ай бұрын

@@waywardgeologist2520 Electric cars in general require lithium and cobalt (not rare earths), neodymium, samarium, terbium and dysprosium. But you already knew that. Regardless of whether they are rare or not, they are mined and are of a finite supply, a lot of them also come from countries such as China and Russia, which isn't ideal

@danthetube5707

10 ай бұрын

Do you think oil is a finite supply? You also say rare earths are used in battery manufacture and then on your reply you seem to go back on your original comment. This is the sort of misinformation spread so maybe you can understand what Robert is trying to do.

@davidstorm4015

10 ай бұрын

@@danthetube5707 Of course oil is a finite supply, but bio-fuels aren't. In any case, you are trying to move the agenda, I never mentioned oil or petrol vehicles in my comment, so why are you trying to move the conversation to that? My points were (1) the supply of materials needed to manufacture EV's and (2) the high post of buying and owning EV's, based on the purchase price and depreciation curve. If you have sensible arguments based on that then I'm happy to listen

@Brian-om2hh

10 ай бұрын

@@davidstorm4015 Australia produces around 3 to 4 times more lithium than China does. The South American "triangle" Argentina, Chile and Bolivia are also major producers, again producing more than China or Russia. The US, Canada, Scandinavia, Mexico, South Africa and Cornwall in the UK, also have lithium deposits. The US has around a dozen lithium prospects ongoing, including one 115'000 acre site in Arkansas......There is no shortage of these elements. The issue at the moment, is obtaining them in the quantities required via the supply chains. It is estimated there are around 30 to 40 million tonnes still available. The estimated potential requirement for the next 10 years is 10 to 15 million tonnes.....

We could use such a community in the US as well. There are a number of KZreadrs in the US EV space that could do such a thing.

@jamesvandamme7786

8 ай бұрын

Scotty Kilmer spends the first 5 minutes of every car repair video ranting about How EVs Are No Good.

I decided to buy an EV as my next car in 2018. I have an Aptera on order. They hit my price point first. Your videos helped me make this mental shift. Good show!!!

The problem that I find when I get into discussion on the subject is the incredible lack of understanding of electricity as a fuel and the hysteria over range. they never think of just how much time they spend driving a car in a day. When it is pointed out that a 400 Km range means spending 4 to 5 hours driving, something that most people never do on a daily basis and that yes home charging can take 8 hours but then most people spend those 8 hours sleeping, they have just not thought about it. The other thing that people cant get their head around is that charging their car is no different to charging their phone, it becomes a nightly habit.

@RB-lt8kt

10 ай бұрын

Totally agree. How many times do people drive longer than 2 hours and more than 150 miles ? Why are there so many accidents in summer ? Simple, people who try and drive long distances on motorways and who are tired because its not a regular thing. Infrastructure for charging is a joke in the UK but the government don't want to lose tax off fuel.

@Sheepleton

9 ай бұрын

Lithium mining using slave labor to destroy the environment is somehow better in your eyes? There's currently thousands of abandoned electric cars and taxis in China rotting in fields waiting to present the newest threat to our poor earth. People do take long trips and the infrastructure isn't available ANYWHERE to support charging so many vehicles. Why should people spend exorbitant amounts of money on a ridiculously unproven and unreliable technology? And please explain to me what happens when you've actually used an electric vehicle for 6-8 years and now it's completely worthless because the battery needs replaced. Did you ever consider people can't afford to spend over half a years salary on a battery? America isn't Europe, over 150 million people here don't live in cities! People routinely live in lower cost areas and have to commute upwards of an hour and a half each way for work. Public transport isn't feasible. Get over yourself and stop looking down your nose at the less fortunate.

@horsebee1

9 ай бұрын

@@SheepletonYou are right slave/child labor is used to mine lithium in some countries, but then those same countries also use slave/child labor to mine diamonds and other precious stones, glass bottles, sports apparel and many other products that are exported to the west just so they can have nice things at low prices. Child/slave labor has nothing to do with the production of lithium or any of the other products mentioned. It has everything to do with the corruption and greed of those running and profiting those industries. It also exists because there is a market prepared to buy those products and look the other way. Ironically it is that same corruption and greed behind the paddocks of abandon ev's in China and corruption behind the rash of battery fires in China. If you look these problems dont exist in the west. Tesla, Ford and VW etc. dont have paddocks of unsold EV's, they struggle to keep up with demand and have very few troubles with batteries. Your comments re not taking long trips and lack of infostructure only show your lack of understanding, how many houses do you know that dont have electricity. Like so many you have not got hold of the idea that 95% of private cars are parked at home at night and have no requirement for a public charging network, in fact the average private driver covers 76 Km a day and the major EV models have a range of about 600 Km which is about the range of an average mid range ICE on a tank of petrol. Yes there will always be exceptions and yes the public charging network is a work in progress but that will grow as the market expands.

@RB-lt8kt

9 ай бұрын

@@Sheepleton So lets keep doing the same and completely kill the planet ?

@GDM22

5 ай бұрын

@@Sheepleton Australia produces around half of the world supply of Lithium, there is no slave labour happening in Australia in fact mine workers are extremely well paid.

So prove to me that the EV car makers are NOT trying to price out the average working person.

Excellent ideas and initiative to fact check the nonsense. Thank you for standing up for rational discussion.

@saintallnights7239

10 ай бұрын

Fact-check? Not do good on current news, are we?

This has been such an important episode, it's about time we out FUD busted the FUD.