Its so "hard" to play now that Luka Doncic, Paul George and Giannis all said that the EuroLeague is more difficult to play than in the nba.

@meepp8281

Жыл бұрын

Luka said that Euroleage was harder than the NBA, that's bcs of the Defense. In jordan's Era, Defense was much more tight and physical, no sht players today can score 50+ points against no defense.

@oddessy2g

Жыл бұрын

Right.

6:28.. .You're wrong. Today's athletes are not that much better than players from the 90's. The reason they seem that way is because the NBA changed the defensive rules in the mid-2000's to allow more freedom of movement for offensive players because the game was getting too slow and defensive teams like the '03 Pistons were dominating the league. All of the rule changes allowed offensive players to boost their numbers and pad their stats. The league implemented the hand check rule which was the biggest change, in addition to defensive three second rule. The league also became less stringent about guys carrying the ball, traveling etc. And they also became more lenient in terms of what they deem as an assist. The main difference between Jordan and LeBron is that Jordan dominated an era where the rules were in favor of big men. Before Michael and Magic, the only two backcourt players to win MVP were Cousy and Oscar Robertson. And they each only won the award once! All the other MVP winners from the inception of the NBA to when Magic won his first MVP, were front court players. Michael won five league MVPs and six finals MVPs as a guard in an era where the league had centers like Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, Mutombo and young Shaq! And jordan did it without a dominant big man by his side. In fact the only All Star MJ had throughout his six championship runs was Scottie, a small forward who is arguably not top 5 at his position historically. Meanwhile LeBron has played with every All Star under the sun, and has routinely come up short. LeBron's two dominant title wins came against teams that were inexperienced (Thunder in 2012 and Heat in 2020). And the other two title wins required the opponent to choke in pivotal moments of the series. (Spurs in 2013 and GS in 2016)

@michaelwhite8119

Жыл бұрын

Being the GOAT of anything means you are the absolute pinnacle of that thing. No one who got outplayed by Jason Terry in a Finals can ever be considered a GOAT. Do you remember that series when Hornachek out played MJ for the entire series off the bench and continuously blew by him? Yeah, neither do I. If you want to call yourself the best ever you can’t be the third best player on your super team in the Finals with a Game in which you score 8 points and disappear in 3 straight 4th Quarter games in which you have a chance to win.

@peterstark4562

Жыл бұрын

And dont forget the officials rarely calling illegal or moving screens. This made teams to automatically switch defensively. So if you're a scoring guard and want an automatic mismatch, just ask for a screen and you'll get a slow ass center guarding you on top of the key. Then there's load mgmt and the league decreasing back to back games to give players more time to rest. Although its weird that today's player get injured often compared to players several years ago.

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Жыл бұрын

No way I told y'all bro if play here in my town score over 10 is no way bro that's why 90's basketball is different from nowadays. If got 10 on me bro no questions you own me if your not clean my house all day.

@flash980

Жыл бұрын

​@@michaelwhite8119stop dikeatin

@TheRimasyele

Жыл бұрын

Correction Scottie was only an allstar for 4 of the finals so Jordan won 2 without an allstar as Pippen came up puny on some occasions. Pippen is not a top 10 SF. Bird, Lebron, Doc, Durant, Kawhi, Baylor, Barry, Pierce, Dantley, English, Worthy, Wilkins, King, Havalecek, and if not for injuries he'd be further behind.

Remember that Jordan played in an era where things like PER and Analytics didn't even exist and he is STILL number 1 across the board. Alot of guys today are playing with all of that in mind, including Bron and they still aren't ranked higher than him. That is astonishing

@shaheempashua6924

10 ай бұрын

This is a powerful fact and they're not ready for it

LeBron, never played against HARDCORE PHYSICAL PLAYERS in his era. Lebron had it too easy.

@sgame82

Жыл бұрын

in the beginning of his career he did. During his championship runs not so much.

@liquidswordz2797

8 ай бұрын

Lebron is the most overrated player ever. His gift is his height and weight. He doesn’t have a go to jump shot. All he has is driving down the lane and running over his opponents. That lane isn’t there in the playoffs. Hence why u need a jump shot when a meaningful game is on the line. Hence lebrons 20% percentage in crunch time in the playoffs and finals. Atrocious

@januar2741

6 ай бұрын

@@liquidswordz2797 and his fans said Bron is the goat and the most clutch player ever. DISGUSTING

@creed200569

2 ай бұрын

@@sgame82 NO he didnt lol. He faced nothing close to what MJ had to deal with.

@sgame82

2 ай бұрын

@@creed200569 He faced the Tim Duncan Spurs multiple times. That was definitely a team as good as what Jordan had to deal with.

MJ has no equal. A truly elite 2-way phenom.

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

To bad he never beat Bird 🤣🤣🤣

@jackastor5265

Жыл бұрын

@@sjedi5646 No, the 80's Bulls were not better than the 80's Celtics. The 90's Bulls, however, may be the greatest team of all time.

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

@@jackastor5265 not even close they didn't have the competition that the 86 Celtics had to deal with that was the greatest team of all time

@spitnificent

Жыл бұрын

@@sjedi5646 too bad MJ didn’t have a potent roster like Bird did even though he was still having his way with Bird’s teams and if that’s all Bird fans have against MJ then that’s pathetic since MJ ended up having the better career.

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

@@spitnificent thats fake news son even after Jordan got a team Bird still smoked his ass in regular season play i saw it live acting like you know something silly little 🤡

At the analytics point, you forgot that Mike played less seasons. So when it says he lead the league 8 times, thats out of 13 times. When it says Lebron lead 5 times, that's out of 17 seasons..... just sayin', it is not close.

@jefferycollyge3877

Жыл бұрын

Why don't you watch this video. 16 straight mins of Michael Jordan facts that will convince you he's the goat

@ingobordewick6480

Жыл бұрын

@@jefferycollyge3877 Dude, i am already convinced. Read my post again....

@jefferycollyge3877

Жыл бұрын

@@ingobordewick6480 sorry I sent you that, I guess I sent to the wrong person

How many HOF players out there bitter because LeBron kept them without rings ? That alone speaks volumes alone. Jordan kept Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Miller, and many more without championships.

Remember they don't make excuses for Michael Jordan, ever.

@gerrystevens1694

10 ай бұрын

...there are none. But plenty for Gaybron Flames.

Jordan is light years better. Aside from all the offensive accolades, he was also heavily decorated defensively too. He was a 3x steals leader, a 9x all defensive first teamer, a DPOTY, was the fastest to 100 steals & 100 blocks, and is the only player to get to 100 steals and blocks, plus score 2,000 points in a season. You cannot be the greatest overall, if you can’t do it on both sides of the ball.

@StevenNeidlein

Жыл бұрын

BRO JORDANS 10 SCORING TITLES TO LEBRONS 1 SOLD IT FOR ME LONG AGO LOL

Plus Lebrons moves will NEVER EVER EQUAL Jordan's UNHUMAN MOVES.

The only reason the Warriors even made the Finals in 2016 was because KD and Russ choked in the conf finals and allowed the Warriors to claw themselves back in the series. The Warriors losing only 9 regular season games was cancelled by them losing 9 postseason games including the final game 7. This eliminates them from GOAT team discussion. Can't be one of the greatest teams of all time if you failed to win the c'hip.

@meepp8281

Жыл бұрын

When OKC was ahead against the GSW on 3-1 record, the last 3 games that made the GSW's comeback isn't a choke by KD's and Russ' at all. These are their stats on the last 3 games on Conf finals last 2016 against GSW... Last 3 games in Conf Finals against GSW: Westbrook: 26ppg // 7.6rb // 10.6ast // 36.5FG% (Series Stat: 39.5FG%) // 23.6 3pt% (Series Stat: 31.7 3pt%) KD: 32ppg // 7rebs // 3.3 ast // 41.2 FG% (Series Stat: 42FG%) // 27.6 3pt% (Series Stat: 28.6 3pt%) I can't seem to understand your point saying KD and WB Choked, or you're just plain stupid, being a casual and saying stuff from saltiness? GSW was just THAT team, LOL

@Big_3000

Жыл бұрын

@@meepp8281 notice the field goal percentages though. Russ and KD had a golden opportunity to win game 6, but choked continually in the clutch, shooting inefficient jumpers. Even without the stats, you can’t be the two best players on your team and allow your team to choke a 3-1 lead.

@RyanMrTsunamiBishop

Жыл бұрын

Then it's fair to say LeBron and Cleveland only won from down 3-1 against the Warriors for the same reason. Not to mention the key injuries the Warriors had.

@andrewvidmar3488

Жыл бұрын

i disagree with that they are still one of the best teams of all time just like the patriots when they were undefeated and then lost to the giants in the superbowl they are still an amazing team

@RyanMrTsunamiBishop

Жыл бұрын

All the major sports are rigged and/or scripted. Everybody on planet earth knows Cleveland should have gotten swept. Just like the Heat should have swept the Celtics. It's all entertainment.

21:50 One guy leading the league 8 times in 13 years compared to another leading it 5 times in 20 years is not "close". Thats the opposite of close

@lorenzsabbaer7725

Жыл бұрын

these 2 guys are delusional, disrespectful and also have no idea what they are talking about.

Bird and Jordan are the greatest clutch players

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

Finally someone got it right👍🏻 and Bird was better then Jordan

@same_112

Жыл бұрын

​@@sjedi5646 no Jordan is better than Bird. Bird played with a stacked team.

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

@@same_112 then explain how he still somked Jordan after he got a team in regular season play son

@theperfectedsaiyan7637

Жыл бұрын

​@@sjedi5646what are you talking about MJ dropped 63 on that hof boston team

@GreaterIsHeAmen

7 ай бұрын

FACTSSS

Nobody says he can't play defense. LEFLOP just doesn't

@AkoSiFrance

Жыл бұрын

Yep, he could have been more consistent on defense in his career, but he focus more on the offensive side of his game, probably resting more defense.

@jefferycollyge3877

Жыл бұрын

@AkoSiFrance if you want to see more watch this video 16th Street mins Michael Jordan facts the will convince you he's the G.O.A.T

People discredit MJ for his size compared to Lebron, but forget that Jordan has the highest vertical ever recorded in the NBA and once ran a 4.3 forty. He’s a physical freak in his own right. Hilarious too how he tried to bring up the help MJ had, but trailed off after Horace Grant. Not the best argument to bring up in this particular debate considering the multiple Super teams Lebron built throughout his career. Jordan also won at the college level and took 1 year and a half off in his prime. 🐐

@11DNA11

11 ай бұрын

Wilt had the highest vertical

14:40 is pretty funny, when the video literally responds to exactly what you guys say about how tough the competition was. Hahaha 😂. Too perfect.

Also remember, Michael Jordan has never let a bench player beat him in the finals, are ever in life. As for LeBron James, he has been dominated by a bench player named Jason Terry, and the Dallas Mavericks were underdogs to the Miami Heat.

@JohnDoe-zr8pc

Жыл бұрын

A Jason Terry who’s only 6’2” at that.

@StevenNeidlein

Жыл бұрын

AND HE JUST GOT SWEPT BY THE NUGGETS 4-0 2023 :)

@11DNA11

11 ай бұрын

And MJ always had 20 ppg MORE than the next guy in the team during the NBA Finals.

Jordan IS WAY BETTER THAN LEBRON, and I'm admitting this fact, as a LeBron fan at that!!!

Here's a comparison you might like. Lebron is more like Ray Lewis whereas Jordan is more like Randy Moss. Jordan is graceful; over, under, around... doesn't matter. And Lebron moves like his spine is fused together.

@J24J

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Lebron looks like an out-of-control freight train barreling down the court. MJ looks elegant, smooth, graceful, agile, artistic, creative, and balletic. Nobody in life is ever going to be that again. Ever!

@michaelwhite8119

Жыл бұрын

Great comp! I also say that if LeBron is so physically dominant shouldn’t he be more……dominant?

3 peat, retire and 3 peat again. Nuff said. You know who is your G. O. A. T.

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

Still couldn't beat Bird lol fkn Lary Legend shut MJ out in the playoffs 2 years in a row when MJ was in his peime 🤣🤣 well you may say thats before he got Scottie Pippen but the Celtics still beat them when they met in regular season play

@cLoWn-ot3sv

Жыл бұрын

​@@sjedi5646 not just larry bro. The Celtics were literally a all star team..hey you give lebron a pass for only beating the warriors once

Game Score isn’t about point scored guys. It’s all round statistics. Lol😂

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

And thats why Larry Bird was the goat💯

@diltberg9627

Жыл бұрын

​@@sjedi5646your such pesty troll bud and delusional

@sjedi5646

Жыл бұрын

@@diltberg9627 how do you figure bird had more wins over Jordan when they played each other even after he got Pippen don't be a 🤡

@11DNA11

11 ай бұрын

@@sjedi5646 Because he does. Bird is one of the greatest players ever, if you look at the amount of winning he provided for his team

Just a heads up gang. When Russell was playing there was only 8 teams in the NBA 😂 😂 😂 so don't get too hype lmmfaooooo Salute to yall fellas, your reaction vids are great 💯

@leonardjackson6210

Жыл бұрын

Dang I thought it was at least 10😂

I love when dudes act like 1990s were the 1890s. Jordan was playing the year before Lebron entered the league and was the greatest mid range shooter of all time. Go react to the Kevin Durant podcast when he’s asked about MJs game and rate it 1-5. He rates him zero on his jumper (1 = the best 5 = the worst) I’m a lifelong Cavs fan and the only time I got to see MJ in person he was 40yrs old and hit the game winner on us….AGAIN. I was ecstatic when we drafted Lebron and have been rooting for him to be the GOAT for two decades now. He played 11 full healthy seasons for my Cavs and got us a ring. Jordan played 11 full healthy seasons for the Bulls and got them TWO 3peats. There aren’t enough excuses in the world to even that out. Lebron is the King. MJ is God the debate ain’t even real

@bwink23

Жыл бұрын

These kids calling him "The GOAT" has played the same 2003 basketball for 20 years. Scoring near 30ppg at 38 years old. I thought this era is supposed to be better? How can a 20-year geriatric vet playing dinosaur basketball do this? He is not even a good 3-point shooter....when these young kids defend their era, they don't think to well

The real question: Is Lebron even top 5? Cuz I have Kobe and Larry ahead for sure, then there are many others trying to claim a spot on the top 5 like the ones mentioned in the video, Magic, AI, etc...

@laryanryan9170

Жыл бұрын

I'll put Steph and Magic over Lebron. They're real guards. Lebron just wants all of the attention and he's not a guard.

@josephwilliams3250

Жыл бұрын

I got him 5th over Kobe, 1 jordan 2 magic 3 Kareem 4. Walt 5. Lebron/Bird

@gnnacharles1

Жыл бұрын

1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3.B. Russell 4. Lebron 5.Magic 6. Bird 7.Wilt 8.Shaq 9. Kobe 10. Duncan. just asking

@rgreen1107

Жыл бұрын

#1 Bird #2 Jordan #3 Magic #4 Wilt #5 Russell #16 LeBron

@warrenbfeagins

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

You said that people are saying that Lebron "can't" play defense. I have honestly never seen anyone in a comment section say Lebron couldn't play defense. Lebron is a very good defensive player. What people are saying is that, a lot of the time, Lebron DOESN'T play defense, which is different. The difference between a player like Jordan and Lebron is that, while both are supremely athletic and have the potential to be an elite defender at all times, only Jordan did that. He didn't give up on plays. He ran down fast breaks, he put his body on every player, big or small, and he had his hand in everyone's face. He never half-assed his game, on defense or offense. That's the difference. Lebron has had years that he was in the running for the DPOY award, then years where he wasn't even in the discussion. It's the difference between playing a full 82 game season and playing 60 of the 82 games for "load management". The small differences between a GOAT-caliber player and a tremendous player that will just never quite get there. And I'm tired of this "the Golden State Warriors in 2016 were the greatest team of all time because they went 73-9". They are not. Because the regular season ONLY determines where a team is seeded in the playoffs. Otherwise, it is meaningless. The record is amazing, but pointless. What was that same team's record in the playoffs? 15-9. And they not only lost 5 games BEFORE the finals, they lost the finals and didn't win the championship. That is a 88-18 record. PERIOD. When the games really started to matter, they didn't play nearly as well. The Bulls of 1996 (who I consider the greatest ever) won 72-10, which is impressive, but, when the playoffs started, they went 15-3, 2 of those losses coming IN the finals against the second best team in the league. And if you watched that finals, it was competitive, but honestly never much in doubt. Because the Bulls continued consistently dominating in the playoffs. That means their final record was 87-13. By your own argument, 88-18 is a WORSE record than 87-13. And, since numbers seem to be so important, there are your numbers for you.

So you guys didn’t watch the 2016 Finals then? They lost their main rim protector in Andrew Bogut, they lost Draymond Green.

Which is better, beating the Juggernaut or being the juggernaut.

@wingchun1719

Жыл бұрын

Juggernaut all day as long as it means winning year after year. I'd rather be steamrolling through to get those championships. But if I'm not able to do it just like Lebron's superteams then forget it.

You cats crack me up. Bron's a great player, he's just getting compared to an alien from the planet BBall.

I seen Kobe challenge lebron a few times and he wanted no parts so imagine MJ testing him

I understand y’all some youngsters and will always choose who you are sing actually play the both of us on the real Delusional saying that LeBron is the goat over Jordan and the Bulls 72-10 team is still considered the best team because they actually won the championship and let’s not act like the NBA did not help that Cleveland team by suspending Draymond to give them the momentum was LeBron went crying to the front office and Bogut and Iggy got injured and the referee was letting the Cavs play rough and Kyrie was putting up big numbers right alongside LeBron and he hit the big 3 and last, but not least Curry and Thompson both choked so it took all of that to happen for LeBron to come back down 3-1 is great, but not that impressive to me

If the talent that much "better" then why can’t they make it through a 82 game season without load management or getting hurt?

You guys should see "Using numbers to find the greatest individual season in nba history"- by jxmyhighroller

@11DNA11

11 ай бұрын

It's Wilt. Dude scored 50 ppg, you can't beat that.

It's way easier to get to the basket in today's era plus LeBron takes most of his shots from 0 to 3 feet like man there is no debate Jordan would average 45 to 50 in today's era

Real talk. For me and my boys at least, we’ve been saying all this long before that video came out. I don’t need a video to tell me that Lebron has flaws on defense, shooting, and clutch play. It’s pretty obvious. Great reaction though!

@Bighjr88

Жыл бұрын

Say it again major flaws to be considered in the 🐐 conversation.

So by your logic Jordan can’t be the goat because he made his team the greatest? How does that make sense?

@jefferycollyge3877

Жыл бұрын

If you want to see more watch this video. 16th Street mins of Michael Jordan facts that will convince you he's the goat

These young LeBron fans are so funny ‼️🤣

Wait, you said MJ’s era was easier than today’s NBA? Just what exactly are you on?? 😂

@nathanmckenzie904

Жыл бұрын

Ikr 🤡

Just the opposite.. Jordan was smaller doing the same things that Bigs do. You have better technology now so you play... Less? ... GOAT!

He didn't go against the greatest team because he was the undisputed greatest player on the greatest team

MJ and The Bulls road to the Finals wasn't a cake walk especially their opponents in the Finals.

@wingchun1719

Жыл бұрын

The road to finals and the finals itself were difficult opponents! Idk how anyone is saying these teams the Bulls played against were easy...

scoring in the 90s is much harder. im honestly bored watching todays games coz every player can get to the rim easy. theres no physicality and a lot of the stars are stat padding. back in the 90s, you have to be really good to score and everybody wants to hurt their opponents. just watch the allstar game then and now.

I do stats for a living and MJ, Wilt, and Kareem come up more and in more categories than any other player...it's not even close... (not including the current ongoing season)....you can see that while Lebron is a good player showing up in a few categories...the other 3 blow him away in how many times they LED THE NBA in these categories....as in...MJ led the nba in points for 11 seasons...wilt for 7 and Kareem for 3...LJ only led ONCE in scoring and isnt even in the top 10 all-time... All-Time Leaderboard MJ Leads 12 of 21 categories he is in Wilt Leads in 7 of 22 categories he is in Kareem Leads in 4 of 15 categories he is in LJ Tied with MJ for 1 of 12 categories he is in (VOR) - Lebron now has the total career points so you can count if you want and "number of headbands worn in a game" as well, but it wont help ;) --------------------------------------------------- Points ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 11 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 7 7 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 3 Points Per Game ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 10 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 7 10 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2 Games ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 8 Wilt Chamberlain* 5 Michael Jordan* 5 Minutes Played ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Wilt Chamberlain* 8 3 Michael Jordan* 3 LeBron James 3 Field Goals ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 10 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 7 3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5 LeBron James 5 Field Goal Attempts ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 9 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 7 2-Pt Field Goals ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 9 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 7 3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5 6 LeBron James 3 2-Pt Field Goal Attempts ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 9 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 7 Free Throw Attempts ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Wilt Chamberlain* 9 Defensive Rebounds ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 6 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2 Total Rebounds ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Wilt Chamberlain* 11 8 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2 Steals ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 3 Michael Jordan* 3 Blocks ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 4 Triple-Doubles ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 6 LeBron James 3 8 Wilt Chamberlain* 2 Field Goal Pct ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Shaquille O'Neal* 10 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 9 2-Pt Field Goal Pct ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Wilt Chamberlain* 9 Shaquille O'Neal* 9 Minutes Per Game ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Wilt Chamberlain* 9 3 LeBron James 3 5 Michael Jordan* 2 Rebounds Per Game ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Wilt Chamberlain* 11 Steals Per Game ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 2 Michael Jordan* 3 Blocks Per Game ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 4 Player Efficiency Rating ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 9 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 8 3 Michael Jordan* 7 4 LeBron James 6 True Shooting Pct ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 3 Wilt Chamberlain* 3 Effective Field Goal Pct ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Wilt Chamberlain* 9 Usage Pct ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 8 Offensive Win Shares ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 8 2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 6 3 Neil Johnston* 5 4 LeBron James 4 Win Shares ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 9 Michael Jordan* 9 3 Wilt Chamberlain* 8 4 LeBron James 5 Win Shares Per 48 Minutes ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 9 2 Wilt Chamberlain* 8 Michael Jordan* 8 4 LeBron James 5 Box Plus/Minus ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 9 2 LeBron James 7 3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 6 Offensive Box Plus/Minus ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 9 2 LeBron James 6 3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5 Defensive Box Plus/Minus ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 6 Michael Jordan* 2 Value Over Replacement Player ALL-TIME RANK PLAYER # TIMES LED NBA 1 Michael Jordan* 9 LeBron James 9 3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 7

LeBron's greatest case for the GOAT debate is his Longevity stats or total accumulative stats. We give him props for that. However when it comes to the GOAT debate, that argument puts LeBron in a disadvantage because MJ has accomplished more in fewer playing years. Longevity should always be put in context of accomplishments. How much accomplishment a player got in his years of playing. TBh, it only took MJ 11 full seasons as a bull to accomplish all the important ones.

@jefferycollyge3877

Жыл бұрын

If you want to see more watch this video. I 16th Street mins of Michael Jordan facts that will convince you he's the goat

Pfft. MJ all day. LeFlop ain't even top 5.

You can bring up how LeBron beat the 73 win Warriors like that's an accomplishment, but the Warriors tired themselves out chasing that regular season record. Jordan's Bulls set the record in their day AND STILL won it all.

The excuses Bron fans make be longer than the actual videos they are watching

If you are the goat, you don't have to tell anyone! If you are the goat, you don't let a role player outscore you and shut you down! Young man, LBJ couldn't beat MJ on the defense side or the offense side. LBJ is good why do they SKIP KOBE? What pushed LBJ ahead of KOBE?

@michaelwhite8119

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion the media put LBJ ahead of Kobe. They need to get views and ratings. The only way to do that and still sound like you are trying to sell the current game is to make you think you are watching the greatest. Once James retires you’ll stop hearing the debate as much. That’s my guess.

@11DNA11

11 ай бұрын

@@michaelwhite8119 Exactly this. Kobe is just a bit toned down MJ. He's essentially the same. Not THAT good, but up there.

Mr Mj , was way talented for his era . It was a physical era . There was no flopping during game time

Kareem was never celebrated for his 10 Finals appearances. Magic had 9. Neither's fanbase don't even brag about it.

Better technology, less back to backs and "load management" yet players today are more hurt than previous eras. How are things better when players are less durable?

Yo ya got me dying watching this this was a good video🤣🤣🤣

Calling yourself the goat is corny. If you really the goat, people will say it about you. You don't need to call yourself that.

I witnessed Jordan live in real time. It shouldn't be a debate. The only reason Labron is even considered is because youngsters haven't seen Jordan play.

Tell me why all the all stars are hurt all the time with today's technology and load management and all the stars are hurt all the time

@coachmikesfilmroom3111

Жыл бұрын

Ligaments and tendons can't be helped to stay healthy. They can heal faster with modern medical. Muscle pulls, strains and some tears are preventable with proper stretching and care so that's on the individual

@trowabarton321

Жыл бұрын

Players back then used to practice harder and sometimes do 2 a day's. Practice in the morning and again later in the day. So the body can adapt to the beatings the body can take. No need for load management. Practice was harder than the game. Nowadays, practice isn't as intense so your body isn't adapting to anything cause they aren't pushing themselves as hard as they do in the game. More injuries that way

好啦 沒關係啦 每個人都有喜歡的球員啦 LBJ也是可以被喜歡的呀 雖然MJ是絕對💯的GOAT🥰

Bulls were NBA champs when they won 72 games..

I liked how you shouted over key info in the video reacting to the stock highlights.

Now you guys know! And I respect the last part of this video…good job guys!

Ki & JDot, I proud that you both are open minded and willing to do the research to investigate the history of previous players who paid the price and paved the way for the current players you watch on tv. REMEMBER to expose and educate your children and their generation of HUMAN GREATNESS throughout historical antiquity in all faced of life!

@bwink23

Жыл бұрын

Correction: I guarantee they don't watch LeBum on TV

@1982jeepcj8

Жыл бұрын

There is a video break down comparing Bird and MJ that you should check out as well.

Great reaction to this👏

That shooting outside 3ft stat was incredibly important during Jordan's time. During crunch-time, there was a saying...the refs are going to let the players decide it. That means..no whistles...You drive hard to the cup...you're likely to get hammered and throw up a weak shot and lose. It's safer to pull up and get a clean look off.

Thumbs up for the comedic banter that you all provided. Take care, fellas!

Hey Guys, which University's did you guys play for, would love to look up some of your game.

the 96 Bull would have beaten any team they faced. Their Defense was so good that they would have held the scoring down. I dont care who was on that team

A guy who claimed his the goat compared to a guy that doesn't had weaknesses and doesn't claimed he's the goat because he respect other players,his peers and eras

Jordan 6-6 Finals LeBron 4-10 Finals Jordan 10 Scoring Titles Lebron All Time Leader due to longevity I applaud Lebrons ability to stay healthy and not miss any significant time or have any gaps in is career with nagging injuries. 20 years with practically no time missed. . . That’s why he’s top on all the list. If he only played 14 or 15 years the numbers would look very different

@StevenNeidlein

Жыл бұрын

LEBRON 4-11 NOW THEY GOT KILLED BY THE NUGGETS

@demarioqc

Жыл бұрын

And you know what, to put it in even more perspective. . . MJ was only with the Bulls for 12.5 seasons and still managed to pull down 6 rings !!! Bron by comparison only has 4 and he’s going into season 21 !!!!

@Yawdie590

Жыл бұрын

Jordan 6-0.

2016 Warriors can’t be the best team ever if they didn’t win the chip…

@leonardjackson6210

Жыл бұрын

Better question if that was the greatest team of all time and that makes Lebron the Goat what does losing to a team who only won 60 plus games means. What does getting swept and loosing 4-1 to that team mean? What does loosing a 2-1 series lead to a team with only 1 allstar and getting outplayed by a role player mean. Idk but it can't make u the GOAT

By Brons logic winning once as underdogs against warriors is what made him goat so is he basing it on winning? 🤔 #MJtheGoat

@bwink23

Жыл бұрын

Not too mention it was a 3-1 choked lead by GSW. LeBum very easily could have been 0-4 against them

@RR-fc3zm

Жыл бұрын

​@@bwink23👏👏👏

@leonardjackson6210

Жыл бұрын

But he also lost a 2-1 lead twice once to Dallas who really had 1 allstar Dirk and to the Warriors the 1st time they played so what's that make him

He said "Ki Maki he's different" im fucking crying🤣🤣🤣

Bill Russell was the Center and the Head Coach for some of their championships.

@warkunitale

Жыл бұрын

That's so crazy , it's really damning that people don't pay attention to Russel like back then

@StevenNeidlein

Жыл бұрын

@@warkunitale THE MAN HAS 11 RINGS HOW COULD THEY NOT

I really dont see how Lebron fans have this much loyalty to him. Out of the 21 years he has played the game he has 4 rings. 4 out of 21. Some of you act like he is a world beater, when championship wins are RARE when it comes to Lebron.

Jordan is top 5 in blocks all time. Fucking crazy.

25:21 "MAKE IT" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I love how you try to make subtles jokes on your skills and the other one looks like you are "Arkham Asylum" material.

Jordan was pumping out 30+ avg every year back when they actually played defense. He was dunking on everyone back when bigs would straight mug you and it was just a single foul. He was a defensive monster too, so you felt like you were watching the best guy on the court both ways. ...And he won't taking nights off either. It's not even close. Better argument would be who's better between Lebron and Kobe.

@11DNA11

11 ай бұрын

37ppg in 82 games. And made only 12 3's that whole season. I'd like to see ANY player in this era do that.

for sure the 2016 comeback was impressive, but it's out of context. Curry was injured in the finals, so is iggy, so is looney, so was Green being ejected. thinking about it, it was all in Cavs favor to do a comeback, it was an advantage that curry was injured and was still playing.

"He didn't go against the greatest team of all time" the 86 celtics were right there at the time. he dropped 63 on them.

Lebron is not the goat mj is sorry to younger generation u didn't get see mj play I did an see lebron play he good but he not mj

17:07 -- bottom line is, Michael Jordan's Bulls were like if you added LeBron to the GS Warriors. Separating MJ from the team he built, you'd have a pretty good team (like the Warriors) without a star of the same caliber as LeBron, much less MJ. And having those two elements on one team is what made the Bulls great and Michael even greater. Comparing LeBron to MJ is just not fair to LeBron, because he loses by almost every measure.

Let me ask this - a team from the 90s dropped into now with todays rules vs a team from now dropped into the 1990s with 90s rules. At the end of a full season who would have the better record?

Btw, I commented yesterday about sanders and didn’t even leave a recommendation lol. Check out the mini movie by NFL Throwback. It’ll show a lot more of his stuff.

I never say or think that James can't play defense...it's not that he can't, he doesn't...THATS the difference.

Considering the different era's rules/positions/roles and let's call it, 'the longevity factor' of Bron, the only way to have THE goat discussion would be 1v1. Prime MJ vs prime LeBron. So now which era's rules? I think both would agree on today's rules. Neither would want to get hurt (but more to come later). Bron is fast, but because of physics it takes just a little more time to get that much mass up to speed. MJ prime is fast AND quick. In most scenarios MJ would beat Bron to 'the spot' (off. and def) and get more open looks as well as contest more Bron shots. It would not be a blow out, but I HAVE to give the stamina advantage to MJ. Quicker and faster for longer = more open looks and contesting more Bron shots (I typed that twice because it is important.) edit: later: Bron would do better 1v1 with MJ era rules. The less fouls called the better for big Bron. But on the opposite side of that is MJ could play up and hand-check Bron at the 3-point line while LeBron would be foolish to defend that close or he simply get's beat to the basket. Am I rambling? I feel like I am rambling... edit2: I was rambling because of a lost thought. It was physics again. MJ just has way more control over his body than Bron. He slower to get up to speed AND slow down. More fouls, less overall control. Best out of 100 games? MJ - 72 Bron - 28. Edit3: It would have been MJ - 68 Bron -32, but bron was not playing those nights, while MJ scored 38 points in a finals game with the flu, throwing up at bench.

I mean, Miami heat retired their teams number 23 ,for Michael....and he didn't even play for them, RESPECT and in honor for the true GOAT. championship, 2 time ncaa player of the year, NBA rookie of the year, 6- 0 in finals championships w/ 2- three peats in 8 yrs. and only reason it wasn't 8 in a row,he played baseball 1 yr 1/2, never had to play a game 7, 6- Finals MVP, 5- regular season MVP, defensive player of the year titles, 10- scoring titles, 3- steal titles, rookie year all star invite, 3- ALL star MVP, 2- slam dunk titles, 2- olympic gold medals championships, hardest worker in the game, no weaknesses, most clutch and buzzer beaters when games on the line, etc,etc,etc...all what lebron wishes he'll be when he grows up. LeBron's been in twice as long as Jordan and still hasn't come close to his accomplishments....the dude was a cheat code and would average 40 in today's watered down version of NBA ....what is the debate.

Better on OFFENSE? Scoring title: Jordan x10 / Lebron x1 Better on DEFENSE? 1st team all NBA Def: Jordan x9 / Lebron x4 Better in CLUTCH? Game winning shots: Jordan 50.0% / Lebron 28.3% Better WINNER? Finals game record: Jordan 24-11 (35 gm) / Lebron 22-33 (55 gm) More "Help"? Hall of Fame TEAMMATES: Jordan x4 / Lebron x12 LONGEVITY? Lebron all day.

@Yawdie590

Жыл бұрын

Longevity, yeah but Jordan won his last title at 35 going 36 years old. Lebron won his last title so far 34 going 35. So the argument about much better at an older age is false.

The only reason that this fake debate has continued is because some of these sports shows sees how much $ it makes them. Players who have played against Kobe and Lebron pick Kobe but the media doesn’t want to touch that debate!

These type of videos give you guys knowledge and it makes me happy to see you absorb it it!!! You are watching black history!!! You know, the stuff that nobody wants to talk about in the white world??!!!! Be aware of what Black Excellence is and why it is feared!!!!

Aye bro y'all tripoin

These dudes paused before they heard “10 teams in the league” about Chamberlain. Lmao

Load management isn’t a bad argument. But try to tell MJ he had to sit when he could play. See what happens lol

It's hard for me to have a guy as the GOAT when he has a losing record in the biggest series

Remember, Mike is only 6'5", could run a sub 4sec 40, AND dunked on EVERY center that challenged him at the rim, AND blocked a bunch of center's shots....

Mj is simply the Goat. I've never seen anything like him. Before or after. Good to see young people watching this awesome comparison. Full of facts.

No disrespect but you guys don't know what real NBA basketball is. This Era is so weak that most these guys wouldn't be more than bench players in the 90's

6:56 When he said that the NBA was easier in the 90's or in the Jordan years than it is now, although nowadays they don't play any defense and you can just get to the basket without ANY skill and the rest of the game is just three point shots, I stopped watching the video then. today is just boring - political - Cupcake - flopping - no grown men only kids - no Defense - no handchecking- Load Management - superteams - no loyalty - no rivalries - no intensity- no midrange - no post moves - no poetry in motion - only 3 pointers - going to the rim without skill - GAME

I’m looking for some LeBron socks to put next to my original Air Jordan sneakers!

“On that new juice, that balco! “ -Garnett

Non specific statements like “KD is better than both of them” is why these conversations get so ridiculous. KD is a better Shooter. That’s it. There were players that played with MJ that were better at somethings, but not all around. That’s what makes you the BEST or GOAT. Be specific to what you’re talking about.

In the GOAT debate applicant list, MJ is relatively the smallest one. Imagine if he is even taller like T-mac's height.

At mark point 9:20 of the video, you can see when reality set in on your face😂😂