Disney could’ve made a movie about scar and zira’s past but noooo they had to make a live version of the same movie

@WerezerRoo

Ай бұрын

🤯😱

@ravent5197

Ай бұрын

That movie would've been so savage 😮😅

@amberdewwy9304

27 күн бұрын

Or even an adult version of the lion king giving more info and background that kids probably shouldn’t hear, with the same or similar animation. I’d love to see lion king about scar and Zira as well as a movie about scars and mufasa’s parents!! Or even a movie that goes into more detail about kovu’s past!! That I think people would watch.

@SilasOsterwalder-yx3tj

22 күн бұрын

Hold on let me say something rq if that’s ok they are in the making of a Mufasa the Lion King movie which probably has Scar and his past/backstory

@tkyng2885

22 күн бұрын

@@SilasOsterwalder-yx3tj Chances of that is slim since Disney don’t really go on Villain backstories since Maleficent and maybe Little Mermaid (live versions)

I remember a headcanon from a lion king series in which kovu and vitani were the children of zira’s sister and her mate and zira adopted them after the parents died

Vitani is adopted, Kovu is adopted, and Nuka is Scar and Zira’s real biological child

Kovu's parents had to be within the Night Pride. Nuka is Scar's son, and Nuka had the same traits as Scar and Zira. Kovu on the other hand is a good guy, and he does look alike to the Night Pride.

@carolynrobinson-pi4hf

Ай бұрын

He really does i was thinking he was related to Rani and balio when they were first introduced but by kion being Rani's mate Kovu couldn't be Related to the night pride directly as Surak is Rani and baliyos uncle and Nirmala's Mate(they are infact married looked it up) so he could possibly be related to some other lions that left the tree of Left after healing from an injury that we just haven't heard of yet

@susanbones3381

20 күн бұрын

​@@carolynrobinson-pi4hf Why couldn't he be related to Rani and her family? Yes she married Kion but they have no connection to Scar or Pride Rock. Just imagine if Kovu was Rani's long lost older brother. That could even tie into her parents' death. When Rani and Baliyo were practically newborn cubs - lets say for argument's sake they are from the same litter - Zira and her followers attacked the Tree of Life for whatever reason (that might even be what ultimately led to Simba banishing them). The Night Pride managed to fend them off but Sâhasí and Ãnanda were killed in battle, Rani was injured (that would explain her own scar) and Kovu kidnapped (maybe precicely because he resembles Scar so much). Due to the trauma of what happened his earliest memories are repressed (like what happened in "Anastasia"), so he genuenly doesen't know anything about his birth family or where he came from. The possibillities for storylines practically write themselves!

At this point does anybody else think that the reason they didn't specify Kovu as the son of another lion was because they wanted to leave it up to fans to speculate about Kovu's biological father, or were they just short on time after repeatedly stating that it wasn't Scar? Edit: I believe that Zira and Scar had Nuka and Zira befriended Chumvi and had Vitani and Kovu with him before he either died or left the pride.

@awkwardcrabwalk4762

Ай бұрын

Or... maybe because if he was scar's son, it would make the two lovers cousins.

@0deadx21

Ай бұрын

That's completely ridiculous. Kovu's father literally doesn't matter. What does matter is who Kovu is *not* the son of - Scar. And there's no way you're convincing me Zira didn't give birth to any of her children. These details should have already been in the movie and show.

@CosmicRetriever

Ай бұрын

@@awkwardcrabwalk4762 That's why they ditched the idea of Scar being Kovu's father.

@SchardaMonique

Ай бұрын

@@awkwardcrabwalk4762well in MUFASA it was stated/speculated that scar and mufasa weren’t even blood so I’m confused..

@noelwilliams8615

Ай бұрын

What if kovu's parents died at pride Rock when Simba came back to take back his home from scar

Kovu is not scar son Nuka is Scar real son

@mecahhannah

Ай бұрын

Yes

@ianlim4404

Ай бұрын

I agree. Nuka has the same traits as Zira and Scar.

@dumbfukx

29 күн бұрын

kovu says it himself in the movie " scar was not my father, but he was one of us " so idk why everyone makes up theories about scar being his father??

I think that Chumvi and Kula are Kovu's parents because both of them have Brown fur and Chumvi has the same pshycal appereance as kovu according to fan art, I think Kovu got Green eyes from another family member

@Nalabear_2020

Ай бұрын

And the outlander nose

@ultraviolet5501

Ай бұрын

@@Nalabear_2020 I also think he got the outlander nose from another family member

@raydafuq3570

9 күн бұрын

@@Nalabear_2020 Scar also has an outlander nose. If you look up pictures of actual lions both noses appear on similar looking lions. It's probably just a thing like fur color but this brings up the question why no one from Pride-Rock had a black nose besides Scar while literally all the outlanders had black noses. But Disney isn't that accurate to how the animals work anyway.

Zira outright tells Simba in the lion king 2 movie that Kovu was the last born before they were exiled. That outright confirms he's her cub.

You go from the fact the cubs are around the same age. Scar would have died by the time Kovu was born. It could just be Zera saying it all because he looked like her king.

@cathygrandstaff1957

Ай бұрын

Yeah but if you assume Kiara was conceived during the “Can you feel the love tonight” song she was conceived while Scar was still alive, meaning Kovu could have been too.

@Rhaenarys

Ай бұрын

​@@cathygrandstaff1957 i think its unlikely Kiara was conceived then. Simba still had to travel back to the pridelands, fight scar, and watch the ecosystem bounce back before presenting her as a new born, in front of all the animals that also had to travel back from where they fleed to during Scars reign. Thats a pretty long time. Gestation only runs for a little over 3 months.

I don’t believe scar ever seen Kovu because he is the same age as Kiara who is simbas second child scar would have already been dead when kovu was born But for the ones who believe vitani is nalas secret that would make Kiara the third child of nalas… I just don’t believe she is because again she wouldn’t be the same age as Kiara she would of been born before Koba simba and nalas first born who is shown at the end of the first lion king

@callanightshade8079

Ай бұрын

Zira said in the movie to Simba "Kovu was the last born before you exiled us to the outlands" Which makes him older than Kiara. Just not by much

@kyleexd2345

Ай бұрын

@@callanightshade8079 Oo you’re right I remember that now!! hmm

@queenwah7820

Ай бұрын

First child, Kopa ain't canon

@Rhaenarys

Ай бұрын

​@@callanightshade8079 thats if she was being honest.

@raydafuq3570

9 күн бұрын

Lion King and Lion King II were there before Lion Guard. We're talking 1994 and 1998 vs 2015. Disney probably never planned for Lion King being so popular that they would be still making content about it 20 years later. So using Lion Guard context to explain what happened in the films is kinda doomed to fail. Those films were made without Lion Guard in mind so Kiara is in fact Simbas first (and only) child in the movies. Kovu and Kiara also don't need to be the exact same age. Judging how Kovu first appeared in LK2 he was older than Simba in LK because his mane already started growing instead of the little fluff Simba head. If Kiara is the age of Simba in the first movie and Kovu is a bit older it works out. I personally have multiple possible theories. TL:DR: Kovu got either stolen from another pride or adopted by Scar after his parents got killed in some way either unrelated or directly by Scar and his minions. Nuka said "Scar took him in" so this proves that Kovu was born before Scar died. First one is shortly before Simba returned and Scar was ruling Pride-Rock a Lioness (with or without her husband) and her cub travelled through the land and stayed at Pride-Rock for a short time. Why? Because when Scar saw Kovu he instantly saw himself and a worthy successor and being his sneaky self he offered them a place to stay and arranged the death of Kovus mother / parents through the Hyenas so he could adopt Kovu. With Kovu still being basically a baby there would be theoretically enough time for Kiara to grow and only being a few months younger than him. Alternatively the Lioness was still pregnant and gave birth to Kovu at Pride-Rock and when he saw the cub Scar decided to "take him in" while the rest of the theory stays the same. Second theory is the Hyenas killed and ate everything they could get their hands on and stumbled over baby-Kovu and his parents / pride. Scar had already ordered them to bring orphaned cubs to him to be "judged" as food or if they would be joining the pride, ideally as his successor. This could be because Scar realized he was incapable of producing an heir on the level of Mufasa or Simba with Zira and the other Lionesses would reject him so he needed an alternative besides Nuka. Third theory is Scar, Zira and the Hyenas killed Kovus parents when he was a baby to take him in or straight up stole him from another pride roaming the lands for the same reasons described above. Maybe Vitani was stolen from somewhere else as well. This could've been common practice for Scars rule when we theorize he didn't allow any other Lions at all but when he stumbled upon Kovu he saw the solution to all his problems. In all three theories it makes sense that Kovu thought highly of Scar because he treated him well despite not having to do it. Same as he thought highly of Zira for raising him. Also Nuka and Vitani were like his siblings although they weren't. This suggests that Kovu was so young when he lost his parents that the Outlanders are all that he knew. And because of that Simba kicked him out with the others as well because he wasn't "One of us".

I interpreted things as Kovu was supposed to be Scar’s son, but someone realized that would make him and Kiara super closely related. Anyway my theory is he and Vitani were still Scar’s children, but by a different lioness than Zira. That when Simba took over their mother was going to give them up to be killed but Zira saved them due to Kovu’s strong resemblance to Scar. In this case them telling Kovu he isn’t related to Scar is pure cope, because Zira doesn’t like to think Scar might have loved another lioness more. I think Zira is grooming Kovu to challenge Simba because she knows Nuka wouldn’t win in a fair fight but secretly plans on replacing King Kovu with her own son after Simba is out of the picture.

Given Kovu's fur and mane color, one of his biological parents was a night pride lion, as The Lion Guard is canon. Scar's mother, Uru, was likely a member of night pride too, which explains why Scar's mane and fur color is similar to Kovu's and so different from all the pridelanders.

In the Lion Guard show, there is a lion at the trre of life that could be his father, because even he has brown fur and mane; we're speaking about Surak, Rani and Baliyo's uncle.

When i was little my sister used to tell me i was adopted and my mom pick me up from the trash i cried so much to the point my mom had to show me the VHS tape of her giving birth to me it was disgusting so let’s take what kovu older sibling said with a grain of salt 😂

@susanbones3381

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure the age adds up for Kovu to be Scar's son. He's Kiara's age and if you take into consideration that Simba and Nala had a different cub at the end of the first movie (I know, I know that's a whole other can of worms but having lost a child would explain why Simba's so overprotective) some time had to have passed. Scar would have been dead well before then

@unripetheberrby6283

Ай бұрын

Ah 😂😅

Kovu was never meant to be Scar's son for the romance between him and Kiara to make sense, basically making them cousins if he was related to Scar. Nuka and Vitani were his children, Nuke was a failure and Vitani was female, he saw potential in Kovu and chose him as his successor.

Regandi is Kovu's real dad interesting

Ten bucks says that kovu was stolen from the night pride lions by scar cuz the similarities are stronger between them

Basically scar and Zira had Nuka but Nuka was weak ant stuff so scar didn't want him so then Scar told Zira to get another mate with another lion ant then Scar and Zira would look after the cub but it was a girl(Vitani) and Scar didn't want a girl so Scar told Zira to steal a cub from a different pride

Awesome as always thanks ❤

2:03 My fan theory. Kovu wasn’t “ abandoned “ In my theory. Zir was still grieving/ in denial about Scar’s passing. She then saw a young lion couple have a cub who look very identical to Scar. She saw that cub as a sign that scar has returned. So she killed those lions and took the cub for herself. She named the cub Kovu as claimed he was Scar’s chosen heir ( reincarnation) Plus in the deleted scene of how she phrased herself as Scar’s “devoted Queen”. She was definitely in delusional thinking scar saw her that way when he rather try to win over Nala or Sarabi to be his Queen. 7:58 as for Kovu bio parents. One theory I have is Kula and one of Simba’s cousins Mtoto as Kovu’s biological parents.

@Rhaenarys

Ай бұрын

This makes more sense as as cubs, thats a little late for Scar to be the father of any of them, including the sister. Vitali, i think?

@the-nina-beans88

Ай бұрын

@@Rhaenarys I have a theory that Vitani is Scar’s granddaughter/ a cub of Scar’s relative. Zira couldn’t have Scar so she targeted someone related to him in hopes to deceive him into believing she’s pregnant with his cubs

@susanbones3381

11 күн бұрын

You mind if I use this headcanon for a story?

@the-nina-beans88

11 күн бұрын

@@susanbones3381 sure

My Theory is that in one of scars/taka lion guard member keenest of sight is kovus farther do to his eyes being a little greenish and bluish

If we go by the age arent kovu and vitani too young to be scars kids nuka is older him being scars son makes sense so i would think either kovu and vitani are adopted or zira could have met another male lion when she was banished

Well, Zira is his mom. Only his father is unknown, much like Nala.

Zira is definitely his mom

Hmm 🤔. Why I got strange feeling that Kovu had long lost siblings?

Nah, forget what the people at disney said lol.. What happened is Scar (non-consensually) mated with Nala. Nala got pregnant, ran away and had Kovu in a bush somewhere. Ashamed, she abandoned him before leaving to finding Simba. Scar found the cub while trying to find Nala. Scar gave the cub for Zira to take care of, never admitting he got Nala pregnant so he acted like he didn't know who the parents were. And Nala never told Simba about the cub...

I feel bad for Kovu and Vitani, especially for Kovu, poor guy...😢

Um, Nuka never referred to Kovu as an orphan, dude. Where did you get that from?

@milchbrotchen2930

Ай бұрын

He said that "scar took kovu in"

honnestly ive been wondering that for a long long time i mean so so many have been wondering that as well and so many theories came up but i honnestly hope that one day well find out i mean come on lion king creators say who they are already XD

But if it is the truth that Kovu s parents are Zira and Scar then soulden t Kovu been Kiara s cousin. If you think about it. Mufasa and Scar were brothers and Simba is the nephew of Scar and Simba is father of Kiara and Mufasa is the father of Scar but like isen t that a blood conection? Like souden t they be cousins?

@avi.chan23

Ай бұрын

That is exactly why in the movie it is stated by Nuka, that Kovu isn´t Scars son but just adopted, so no one starts to think, Kiara and Kovu are getting in any kind of incestous relatioinship.

Actually we won’t know who his parents really are , but not until when we do see them for ourselves.

I think, the only reason it makes sense that Scar isn't the father is because, knowing her feelings and devotion to her cause, Zera would have 100% used that as ammo to fuel Kovu's hatred towards Simba even further during his indoctrination. Besides, I just can't see Scar actually reciprocating feelings for her. If anything, he might have seen her as the best option available to him when considering the idea of producing an heir, but I think she just worshipped him in a one-sided love affair.

@SilasOsterwalder-yx3tj

13 күн бұрын

I’m the movie it’s revealed that Scar isn’t Kovus father only from one of Kovus lines He says “Scar wasn’t my father but he was still a part of me”Which is why Scar can’t be Kovus father

After seeing The Lion Guard series Kovu’s parents could have been from the Night Pride. They are darker than the lions of the Pridelands.

I don’t like the Ni theory, because Ni is not a full adult.

What if Kovu and Rani are siblings? Like long lost siblings, and they don’t know they are related.

@raykunstek1553

Ай бұрын

My theory is that Scar and Zira cubed naped Kovu. In the process of stealing Kovu they killed both the parents of Rani

I feel bad for Kovu, we don’t know what happened to his real parents, his adopted mother who crazy for a evil false King raise him to be a killing machine just to avenge her idol. Never ask what Kovu wants.

King Regandi is Kovu father ❤ When Kovu was a cub, Zira stole him from Regandi. Many seasons later, after Zira's death, Regandi reunited with his adult son. Kovu and his bride, Aisha, later joined Regandi in his territory.

@CeltycSparrow

Ай бұрын

But I thought Kiara was Kovu's bride. Who is Aisha? Or are you saying Aisha was King Regandi's bride who joined him in his territory?

@SilasOsterwalder-yx3tj

13 күн бұрын

Kiara is Kovus

Lion king again!

Maybe scar killed the father?!😮

I think Kovu come from tree of life.

@callanightshade8079

Ай бұрын

Or at least his parents came from there

Good morning

@Riliane714

Ай бұрын

it's night now

@seivionfisher3422

Ай бұрын

​@@Riliane714 I'm from Baltimore

A little detail everyone forgets is when Nuka dies, Zira tells kovu he killed his own brother, so are we sure kovu was an orphan...

If Scar took him in doesn't that make him his step son? If that is true that makes Kovu and Keira step cousins. Is that still incestuous? Or is not if the word "step" involved?

A note for the first theory that doesn't actually matter because Simba came back: The way that noble and royal lines of succession work, it literally doesn't matter at all if anyone thought for a second that Kovu wasn't Scar's biological son. Scar, the current reigning king, adopted Kovu and named him heir, so unless Scar had biological children and decided to rename his heir as one of them, Kovu has the rightful claim once Scar passes. If Disney changed the reasons given in the movie, the second movie could literally be a war for succession instead of an assassination attempt, given that Scar WAS the ruling body for that land and he DID have a named heir that DID end up trying to take over the Pridelands, to claim them as a figurehead for the mistress of the king instead of as an actual ruling king himself, but hey, history is full of that and the first two Lion King movies are based on Shakespeare's Hamlet so pay heed to Kovu for there is method to his madness

@JackalopeBunny

Ай бұрын

To be fair Nuka is Scar's son, but in his eyes was wrong and then Vitani came into the picture, but we don't know who her parents are either, unless it is Zira and someone else, maybe also one of Scar's cubs? It could be Vitani came first thinking that Simba's son would be next in line, but then Kiara was born and was next in line, so Zira found Kovu and just says he was Scar's chosen one, since they needed him to get to Simba through Kiara. At least that's what I think happened and also Nuka was too old at that time also to be a good pick as he wouldn't of been able to get into Simba's pride easily since they seem to know who he was.

@drakephoenixfeather4056

Ай бұрын

@@JackalopeBunny I wasn't sure if Nuka was biologically Scar's or not, his attitude does in the movie does make it look like it but I don't remember if it was confirmed or not. In any case though, Scar clearly found Nuka less acceptable than Kovu and by naming Kovu heir that gets around lineage but opens the floor for Nuka to make an attempt to take his position back or else act as we saw him act - extremely resentful and needing prove himself worthier than the adopted child. Half the wars and battles before the Industrial Revolution were started because someone felt they deserved to be the heir of this or that instead of the person actually chosen for the position

@JackalopeBunny

Ай бұрын

@@drakephoenixfeather4056 that's pretty much Nuka he wanted to prove he could do what Kovu was supposed to do, but in the end it just got him killed.

@drakephoenixfeather4056

Ай бұрын

@JackalopeBunny I don't disagree, but his focus was on getting his mother's love and attention by showing he could be better than Kovu, not in showing he'd be better suited to ruling than Kovu. It's slightly different but sends him down a similar path either way

@Markus2E5I6

Ай бұрын

Simba is in line before Scar anyway. Simba was the rightful ruler, Scar was not

I always saw Zira as the mother of Kovu. He does call her mother.

@avi.chan23

Ай бұрын

I don´t think, that´s a valid argument. My foster child sometimes calls me Mama instead of my first name, and she is 15 years old living for nearly two years with us. Smaller kids tend to call the people around them the way these people are introduced to them. Another example from my family (we live in Germany, just to explain the words I use for this), my grandmother was always called "Uschi" by all of the family except my mother, which called her "Mutsch" another word for mom. Even thought, she was my Grandma, and kids in Germany usually call their grandmother "Oma" and the grandfather "Opa", I never called her that, even once. She was always "Uschi" to me, while my greatgrandmother was always called "Anni-Oma". Taking this example, imagine you take in a baby or toddler and teach it to call you mother, it will do exactly that, no matter, if you are its mother or not. If you give birth to a child and teach it to call you by your first name, it will do so, because that´s what you taught it. Same can be applied to Zira and the fact, that Kovu calls her mother, it is, what she taught him. In conclussion, no matter, how Kovu calls Zira, it is at least no prove for her biological parentship, but just for what she taught him to call her.

Does everyone think zira is a robot?

i think kovu is the cub of rani and balios [arents from the tree of life

oh memory

Tenho uma teoria meio bizarra. E se o Kovu for filho da Zira com um outro leão, mas ela simplesmente disse ao filho que o Scar era o seu pai por causa da sua obcessão doentia por ele?!

Plus Vitani is Kovu's older biological sister so that is her parents too

Kovu says in the move : he was not my father

Given how Zira is i wouldn't be surprised if she had stolen Kovu and Vitani

I wonder if Scar took Kovu in because he was disappointed in Nuka.

Then how did all the Linus's who were following scar end up in the Outlands Also did you assume that Kovu and his sister adopted by zira and scar? Instead of assuming The Other Little theory let's see a Little more proof of what the seal of Disney or even the creators of lion king has to say⁸

Wher wher all this lions ? And cubs and zira in animated ? When simba retuns? Why they didnt fight for scar whit hienas

Who wants a spin-off movie where it’s kind of about the past of Kovu to see who his parents really are

when did nuka call kovu an orphan?

i think chumvi was his dad so i think that kovu mom died than kovu was hurry so chumvi thought that he should go hunting but when chumvi was hunting a other lion killed him or hyenas and ziar found baby kovu

I dare you to watch the teaser trailer for Mufasa: the lion king 🦁👑

If Ni is Kovu's dad aswell as Nala's so that means Kiara is married to her half uncle so I don't think so

Zira is the mother. Scar is the father. Disney needed to find a excuse for Kovu and Kiara being Cousins..wich is TOTALLY FINE AMONG LIONS😂 and bring the "scar is not the father" Phrase everbody just chill and grow up Thats it.

@cracmar03

29 күн бұрын

Except in movie it's stated he is not Scar's son. You underestimate lengths Disney would went to prevent "Pwease let us think of da children !" from outrage at their movies.

@milchbrotchen2930

29 күн бұрын

​​@@cracmar03yes "scar is not the father" is the excuse iam speaking about 😂 because disney dident came up with something logical just a lame phrase .. its so obvious that kovu is scar son and kirara and kovu being Cousins a totally normal thing among lions .. its so annoying to make a problem out of it

I think chumvi is his dad

@danielledewitt1

Ай бұрын

Who is chumvi?

@FarmerTrio725

Ай бұрын

@@danielledewitt1 chumvi is a character in the lion king six new adventures

@danielledewitt1

Ай бұрын

@@FarmerTrio725 Ah so not canon then.

@FarmerTrio725

Ай бұрын

@@danielledewitt1 yeah pretty much

@danielledewitt1

Ай бұрын

@@FarmerTrio725 So therefore impossible.

His Father is scar, it's obvious..

Zira just stole kovu after she killed his mom sister's and his father

Ni is Nala's dad

Kopa is real

I feel like rani parents are kouv parents

look at Kovus age

Vitani is the half sister of nuka so they are not biologically related because they have same mother but different father 😂

@Markus2E5I6

Ай бұрын

Still biologically related

@cracmar03

29 күн бұрын

So ... they are half related. You realize they have to be biologically related, because their biological mother is same lol. They are just Half-Siblings.

Bro, Kovos mother is Zira one sentence in number 2 Siri says ti simba: Hiw you met my son, he was hand chosen by scar!

@danielledewitt1

Ай бұрын

Kovu. For all we know Zira might not be his mother.

@jcage1022

Ай бұрын

Yeah, there's no confusion on the mom, she 100% is Zera (idrk how it's spelled this is just my way who cares), but no one knows who the father is, although it was definitely a lion with similar appearance to scar. Actually, maybe not, because even human DNA isn't that simple, and if we look at Zera, she has the same red eyes as Simba and Mufasa. Perhaps he inherited a similar appearance to Scar because he is technically of his bloodline? It'd be far from out of the question for Zera, a lion of similar age to Simba, to be Mufasa's daughter.

@danielledewitt1

Ай бұрын

@@jcage1022 Kiara is Simba’s daughter not Zira.

You are NOT the FATHER!

this inbreeding thing is silly it's lions not humans like they do it all the time in the wild

Cool video