I remember Nuka saying "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in" in The Lion King 2 when he was about to be a scolded by Zira for not looking after Kovu. Just a humble correction

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him

@KittensUnited

Ай бұрын

I know, it’s literally confirmed that scar ISN’T the father (this was for the sole purpose of avoiding inbreeding, since nala is related to scar, and mated with kovu)

@mnrmnd1254

Ай бұрын

​@@KittensUnitednala isnt related to scar, if she was it would have created issues for disney, there is however a rouge lion that is in one of the books that is supposed to be nala's father, it is also mentioned again in the lion guard who nala's father was

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

@KittensUnited When was this? Only "confirmations" were from Kovu and Nuka plus I already theorised how they don't matter as they're incorrect knowledge claims

@unrlntingghost6120

Ай бұрын

​@KittensUnited I think you ment Kiara would be related to scar, because that's simba daughter and who mated with kovu

Kovu told Simba ( before Zira's ambush) that Scar is not his father, and earlier Nuka also said to Vitani " Scar wasn't even his father".

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him

@blobbertmcblob4888

Ай бұрын

It's not that deep. Kovu and Vitani "aren't" Scar's cubs because that would make them and Kiara cousins. and Idk if you were there for that, but Kovu and Kiara get together at the end of the movie.

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

​@@blobbertmcblob4888And that's why they kept it unclear if he was Kovu's dad or not, doesn't defeat the theory And yes, it's not that deep.... it's a theory

@sirducksworthythe3rd842

Ай бұрын

Kovu isn't scars as stated in lion king 2 multiple times by characters, but vitanani, very well may be his and nalas cub, time line fits, and the deleted scene would make alot more since, sinvmc vitani is in fact a little older then kovu and Kiara, and that's why she was banished cause she'd been born right after movie events, but befire the begins g of 2 were Kiara was born, if rember right its mention in lion gaurd that vitamin is older when kion meets them in the outlands, vitanai being nalas daughter would also explain het hatred fir nala in the lion king 2 as well, cause she's not only jealous of her hand sister, but feels abandoned by her real mother nala, think about how she says at end to Nala weres your pretty daughter nala, the tone that vitanani has when saying feels just sincerely angry and upset at the sane time, also nala knows her, cause nala in the same set of scenes calls her by name

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

@sirducksworthythe3rd842 If you're replying to me then I'm just gonna apply invincible ignorance cuz I already explained how Kovu's statements make sense and doesn't affect Scar being his father

_The Lion Guard_ already cleared up that Nala's father is neither Mufasa nor Scar.

@nicolehegarty4749

29 күн бұрын

Really! Who is then?!

@0deadx21

29 күн бұрын

@@nicolehegarty4749 It doesn't matter. Even the show didn't reveal his identity or what he looks like.

@georgedash8293

16 күн бұрын

There's a cave painting of him as a cub in the episode where he was mentioned being rescued by the Lion Guard of that time. He has golden fur, white muzzle and a reddish tuft for a mane. In the same episode, Kion's friends thought that the cave painting was representing him before Rafiki told the entire story of Nala's father and his grandfather.

@Asterix_Angel33

11 күн бұрын

@@0deadx21the show does reveal hrr father LOL

@0deadx21

11 күн бұрын

@@Asterix_Angel33 You mean physically? It doesn't happen so it doesn't count.

I think that Nuka was The only cub Scar had because of their similar skinny appearence and dark mane, Vitani is Tama and Tojo's cub because Tama has the same head tuft and Tojo has blue eyes similar to Vitani, Kovu's parents are Chumvi and Kula because Chumvi has the same face expression as Kovu and Nala's parents are Sarafina (confirmed) because they have the same appereance and a lion that appears in the lion guard episode "Paintings and Predictions,, he appears in a painting where he is about to fall from a tree but he is saved from the lion guard of his day, but he never appears in the movie because in my headcanon he was a member of Scar's guard and he died after Scar used the Roar against his guard and that happened when Sarafina was pregnant with Nala

@OGMAKKELLI

Ай бұрын

Mheetu was also Scar’s cub with Sarafina because he was born during the dark years when Scar took over the pridelands. He’s also the younger brother of Nala with the same mom and brother of Nuka with the same dad. Unfortunately he died from a sickness of starvation due to the drought, lack of food and water in the pridelands

@ToastAndButter279

28 күн бұрын

I truly like this theory, but the only problem is, the books aren't technically cannon meaning if you'd like to use the books then yes this would probably be accurate but what this guy is trying to do is use the deleted and fully animated cannon scenes to make sense of the timeliness and family tree.

@ultraviolet5501

28 күн бұрын

@@ToastAndButter279 I know the books aren't canon but I like to use the books so the theorys would be more accurate, I also sometimes use deleted scenes and confirmed things to add to the theorys

"Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just... Took him in." Nuka LK2

@zakhm05

26 күн бұрын

This line makes me think that the implication is nuka and vitani are scars kids

Scar had two sons. One was Nuka from Zira and one was Mheetu from Sarafina. Nuka and Mheetu are brothers with the same father. Mheetu is the younger brother of Nala with the same mom

@donnastarpaw

27 күн бұрын

This Mheetu you speak of doesn’t even exist

@OGMAKKELLI

27 күн бұрын

@@donnastarpaw Just your opinion. But imma believe what I know of and that’s what I stand on. He did exist

I have the theory of Vitani being Nala and Scar's child. That creepy scene with Scar was true, and she became pregnant, gave birth to Vitani, possibly not acknowledging her as her daughter, fled from Pride Rock to the jungles, and then after the whole ordeal with Simba defeating Scar, Zira and some other lions was banished to the badlands, and Zira took Vitani with her because she is Scar's child and Nala does not want anything to do with her.

@bwwlgaming

28 күн бұрын

Nala is not Scar's mate because she hates him and they're not in the same generation, Vitani is only, only, only, only, and only Zira's and no one else's child, Vitani is not adopted

@TheWanderingTigress

28 күн бұрын

@@bwwlgaming I implied that something transpired in the creepy scene for that reason. Nala does not have to be Scar's mate in order to become pregnant by him. Although she couldn't stand it, it was a normal occurrence in the lion hierarchy as he was the pride's male lion. Furthermore, the fact that they are just one generation apart is not strange. Try to read between the lines. Because this is a theory, I am neither wrong nor right, and you should not completely dismiss my ideas simply because you claim it's not right. Kovu, Kiara, and Vitani are all from the same generation. Her eyes are a brilliant violet-blue, and her fur is creamy golden with undertones of black. Zira has nearly beige-brown fur and dark orange eyes. Nala has creamy gold fur and blue eyes that lean towards purple. And Scar, who has stunning green eyes and orange fur with black undertones. Who is more alike than the other? I'm simply speculating; I'm not stating it as gospel.

@DarknessblackShadows

22 күн бұрын

Yea guess so

@krisynthiagomez5883

21 күн бұрын

It’s possible that Kovu and Vitani are older than Kiara by a few months at most in the case of Kovu. According to Nuka and Zira; Scar was the one who took Kovu in, likely gave him to Zira to raise, and claimed him as his successor all of which had to have happened before Scar’s death if he acknowledged the cub as his own. That could apply to Vitani’s situation as well because I don’t see Zira going out of her way to raise a cub that wasn’t hers unless it had some connection to Scar.

@bwwlgaming

19 күн бұрын

@@krisynthiagomez5883 zira had no relationship with scar

Dude needs to watch both movies again and think

@helenaryan9202

28 күн бұрын

Why

@neoneye1430

28 күн бұрын

@@helenaryan9202 because he got so many things wrong

@nonyabusiness3619

17 күн бұрын

I don't think that this is his own personal theory. I'm pretty sure that he just cobbled together different fan theories from other people in the Lion king fandom. He's just presenting what other people have been saying on the internet.

@JonathanLopez-sw3wq

5 күн бұрын

@@neoneye1430 be quiet and it what he thinks

@neoneye1430

5 күн бұрын

@@JonathanLopez-sw3wq why don't you

Kovu wasn't Scar's kid. Nuka even comments on this at one point in the Lion King 2. he mentioned that Zira found Kovu and took him in. in the musical version, there was a cut scene that put Scar having fathered Vitani with Nala. as for Kovu, he was either found by Zira and Scar, or Zira simply kidnapped him from another pride.

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him

@SilasOsterwalder-yx3tj

16 күн бұрын

Kovu also says it himself that Scar isn’t his father he says this”Scar wasn’t my father but he was still a part of me” he says that at some point in the movie

do you remember in the lion guard when Kovu met Kion? “What happened to Zira?” Kion asked Kovu “Zira has completed her circle of life”. Wait ZIRA?! Did Kovu meant “my mother?”

@Nayelithegoat

Ай бұрын

At that point he hadn’t considered Zira his mother because Zira was Making kovu think simba was the enemy when he wasn’t the enemy

@flashharriet5531

Ай бұрын

@@Nayelithegoat Kovu doesn’t even look like Zira

It was stated in the Lion King 2 that Scar wasn't Kovu's father. But I do know that there is a theory that Vitani isn't Zira's daughter but Nala's because their eyes (irises) are a very similar shade of blue. And because the original Lion King, Disney planned on having Scar try to hit up Nala, she could have gotten pregnant from him and then had Vitani. But when Simba takes over Pride Rock, Nala gives Vitani to Zira because of the painful reminder of who Vitani's father is. Especially because in Lion King 2, with the Lioness Fight scene, Vitani is straight up savage with Nala and it could just be more of a her anger from being abandoned for a "better daughter".

@nicoleackerman205

6 күн бұрын

That was only to avoid kissing cousin.

Then that left out song woud be even more disturbing then it was bc if Nala is his then he wanted to mate whit his own daughter

Why is nuka and vatani being scars cubs even a question Its canon that nuka and vatani are scars cubs and desptite the resemblance kovu is adopted

@A-Kira

Ай бұрын

It's not canon, but it's very strongly hinted at.

@BlackAndWhiteScribbles

Ай бұрын

@@A-Kira there is no way they're not Zira is confirmed to be nukas mother(he calls her mother in the movie) but I'm not sure about vitani And since there are no other males that we've seen scar would have to be the father Edit: plus zira IS scars mate

@A-Kira

Ай бұрын

@@BlackAndWhiteScribbles It's clear to me that I also believe that at least nuka is Scar's son, but unfortunately we have to admit that it's not 100% confirmed.

Saying that Disney would not make Nala Scar's child because her and Simba being cousins would be "weird" is not a good argument. That would only leave the possibility of Simba and Nala being (half) siblings.

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

Fr, someone js gave me that argument but with Kovu, never been a defeater

tbh im a strong beleiver that Kovu was fathered by a male lion who was from the Night Pride(?) or in the very least his birth mother was probably from the Night Pride and Zira just took him in. Scar possibly did father Nuka with Zira being Nuka's mom) and since the scene where Scar came onto Nala was semi-canon (I say semi-canon because it was a deleted scene that was added in the broadway version), Scar ffathered Viani with Nala being the mom but Nala abandoned Vitani or Vitani was probably stolen by Zira. So if Kovu was Scar's kid, he and Kiara and Simba would be cousins.

Simba is around 3 years old when he went back to Pride rock judging by his mane.

Kovuo himself stated that Scar wasn't his father when he and Kiara were talking after the rhino chase scene

You left out the detail of nuka saying that kovu isn't scars kid in the second movie. So its obvious that kovu is not one of his kids.

Disney proved Lion Guard was cannon and in lion guard they said Nala's father was a guard member that Scar killed

Kovu he’s not scars son because it is canon in the lion king 2, when nucha said that scar wasn’t even kovu’s father. He probably isn’t Zara’s cup either. His parents probably could’ve been outsiders from the pride lands.

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

I believe that Zira isn't his biological mother and she and Scar didn't know who's child he was so ofc they let him know that he was an orphan and that most likely chose him bcuz he looked more in shape than Nuka and looked more like Scar than him Though, I theorise that Kovu's mom is from the Pride Lands, either Sarabi, Nala or another lioness and that they abandoned him and sometime later Scar or Zira found him

The books are not canon. Just the movies and The Lion Guard. I saw a video a while back that the author never got permission from Disney to use their name. And states that his books are not canon. So anything that happened in any of the books isn't true. So all these extra lions are not actually related. Nala's father has a red mane, but it is never stated in the Lion Guard what his name was. That is why Disney was good with letting Simba and Nala get together. There was also an interview with the Disney writers and directors stating that Kovu and Kira are not related. So Kovu is not Scars son. We don't know who his father is because it was never stated in the movie or the Lion Guard.

Has anyone wondered why in the scene of Simba exiling Kovu why does Scars reflection appear in the water when Kovu is looking at it

I think nala's dad is one of the lion's in the old lion guard

The thing is the fact that he’s one of the few male lions there says he has a good portion of the females there since the female lions I am the leader and his in a circle, which are the rest of the male lions in the pride and children of age. They typically get banished for they could get different pride

I always assumed scar tried but for some reason medically he was unable to have kids perhaps why he wasn’t chosen to be king.

@nicoleackerman205

6 күн бұрын

No he has the unfortunate position if being second born.

I always figured nuka is scars son as his age it fits the looks but i was never sure of vitani i asumed she was adopted along with kovu

I do believe that Kovu actually is Scars unbeknownst to either of them. Lets say for eg that when scar was king he trcked nala into having his wicked way with her and so on the first gilm when she goes in search for help and finds Simba she was already pregnant, when he refuses she goes off alone and goes into labour delivering Kofu alone, she feels riddled with guilt yet also feels deeply ashamed for having given birth to the heir of scar deciding that she couldnt keep the cub she safely places him in a spot where hopefully he eill be found by someone who will care for him as she loves her cub but fears what scar may do to it and also feats the influence scar may have on the young cubs life. So she hides him after an emotional farewell she leaves not looking back once, rventually zeera comes along with her own two kids who end up coming across baby kofu and play with him eventually convincing zeera to take the otphaned cub slong with them. Hey im jus saying peeps

@raydafuq3570

14 күн бұрын

So in your theory Kovu and Kiara are half siblings. Would work if Disney would've actually built the family tree around how real Lions procreate. Theoretically every cub on Pride Rock is fathered by Mufasa and later Simba. Scar fathered all cubs in his reign and whenever the king changes all cubs get killed by the new king. Also males get exiled and aren't next in line. Disney wanted them human like so even though the theory is nice it's wrong simply because it's a movie for children.

another thing mentioned in the deleted scene of the lion king 2 “who is mother talking to?” Nuka asked Vitani “Scar”. Vitani replied “where! where!” Nuka yelled “Scar’s dead genius!” Vitani shouted at Nuka

The whole idea of nala being scars means her and Simba were cousins but if you think about it if khovu was scars then khovu and kiara were second or third cousins so neither one of those are right and Nuka is scars so that’s why he was jealous that khovu was scars heir

Honestly, I don't know why it didn't occur to me that Vitani was possibly younger then Kovu. I always assumed she was the same age or a bit older then him. Mostly because Zira seemed to baby Kovu. If he and Vitani were the same age, or Vitani was younger, why did Kovu have a "bed time" in My Lullaby? Zira put Kovu to bed, but Vitani was allowed to stay awake. If she was younger or the same age, I assumed she would have been treated similarly. It was clear Zira hardly cared for Nuka, but she seemed to respect Vitani at least, so neglecting her fully didn't seem like an option at the time. But it also didn't make sense to me that if she was the same age, why Scar would have chosen Kovu over her, unless it was simply because Kovu was a male... even though Simba had no issues making Kiara the queen and Kion left the Pride Lands.

It’s said often in the movie that scar is NOT kovu’s father.

Kovu told Kiara plainly that Scar wasn't his father.

Who is blud’s babymommas? 😭

It has been confirmed that Scar is NOT Kovu's father. And there would be other surviving cubs during Scar's reign as king. Zira is likely close in age to Simba and Nala. There would be no lions left if they were all the same age as Sirabi by the end of the first movie since she didn't appear in the second movie. So in order for there to be a pride in the second movie there has to have been lions who were cubs with Simba and Nala or born early in Scar's reign.

People saying that Nala and Simba is actually vitani’s real parents 🤯

Kovu was not scars son. It's was mentioned many times in the second movie.

Kovu is absolutely not scar's son. He is raised by zira (which is his adoptive mother, not biological), and Scar is not the mate of Zira, and Zira's biological cubs are only Nuka and Vitani, not Kovu, even tho Kovu grew up with them. Neither Nuka, Vitani, or Kovu are Scar's cubs. The reason Kovu's name is Kovu is because of the scar on his face

For me Nuka and Vitani always Scar abd Zira's cubs.

8:10 unless they do something like make a new live action movie in which they reveal that Mufasa and Scar were never biologically related…..

I would not like to be scar kids that all I am doing to say

@MickeyClifford-di1oh

18 күн бұрын

Going to say

I don't think kovu is but i have my theory but i do think the other two were

Not sure why it’s even in the video as everyone knows that Scar is NOT Kovus farther it is confirmed in the Lion King 2 so never should have made it in this video at all

I think nuka and vitani are scar's cub's , not Nala and kovu . But what about the Outlander lionesses , there are no grown males so I think 🤔 scar fathered cub's. I mean vitanis lion guard could be, what do you think

Theories are interesting but weird.

Kovu can't be Scar's. It's mentioned in the movie. Nuka: "Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father. He just took him in." I do believe Nuka and Vitani could be Scar's but not Kovu. If Kovu was Scar's then that make Kovu and Kiara cousins. And Disney wouldn't or hopefully wouldn't do that. However, TLK is loosely inspired by Hamlet. And that's messed up in its own way.

@nicoleackerman205

6 күн бұрын

They where going to do that then the CEO at the time was like they would be cousins and he made them change it.

Credit the artists you keep stealing from for your thumbnails, please. Thanks. The one you used for this video was mine, aka NostalgicChills

Вау!👍❤

scar cub was nuka and azra thoose are his only cubs he had

@RavenxWolff

Ай бұрын

Azra was from a fan comic... Not canon.

New movie is setting kovu up to be his REAL son

@stephenchambers7972

Ай бұрын

is there going to be a new movie?

I'm taking over the comment section

Hey everyone can we then just stop and think.... If the king kills all other male lions cubs and fathers multiple cubs from multiple lionesses.... Just think SIMBA AND NALA ARE BROTHER AND SISTER 💀💀💀

@danielledewitt1

Ай бұрын

Source please.

You do not have permission to use NostalgicChills' art, nor do you have permission to profit off using stolen art. Please change the thumbnail. With that being said, Kovu and Vitani are NOT Scar's children and neither is Nala. Nuka is implied to be his son. This video is spreading disinformation that Nuka literally disproves in the opening of TLK2 (Kovu, Kovu, Kovu. Scar wasn't even his father; he just took him in).

How Scar got his scar is as lame as his Nick Furry got his scar.

When you forget that the movie outright says KOVU ISNT SCARS SON and make a video like this to show the demographic you're aiming for that you have zero personal interest in the franchise youre making videos about. Edit: don't forget that Nala is Simba's half sister as mufasa is the only male allowed to mate with the lionesses in the pride since THATS HOW LION PRIDES WORK.

@ContonCityNews

Ай бұрын

Bro thinks he knows everything 😂

@bwwlgaming

28 күн бұрын

Nala's father is absolutely not Mufasa, and Sarafina and Naanda are two separate characters, so no way they could be half-brother and half-sister

I'm just hear to thumbs down for the AI art : p

Zirathe mom Tuka and Nala is the mom to Vani and kovu

@EmersonGarmon

26 күн бұрын

And metoo, is from Nalas mom