Amen! I'm a Chinese Christian, & because we are in Christ, who is True Israel, we are now also True Israel

@peggy3670

3 ай бұрын

Yes yes yes this is truth...

Thank you, pastor Jon mark. In light of the current conflict in the Middle East and dispensationalism at home, this topic imperative to be discussed.

Very well articulated and rooted in the TRUTH of God’s Word! I think Romans is such an integral foundation to the believer, and understanding that Israel is a people chosen in which that the blessings of the whole world comes through, ultimately in Jesus Christ!

We are talking about this at a church Bible study. Fascinating topic. Found some of my own long-held beliefs, relatively vague, on the topic challenged by scripture - which is good, of course. But... I still think we try to know too much. God knows who they are; isn’t that what matters? 🤷🏻‍♀️ Kills me when Christians try to be dogmatic about stuff only God can mark out definitively - like when people talk about “true” Christians and what they do or don’t look like (vote for, which denomination they attend, etc): judging again by appearances. I know I know, there are times we can see fruit or have discernment by the HS, times it is clear, but still... Still, it is a miracle the state of Israel is even on the map today; there has to be something up with that on the spiritual level. Glad you’re here. Someone needs to talk sense on the Tube. ✝️ God bless u.

I am so happy to hear you teach this. It prove two major points I have tried to teach for years. #1. I have been "grafted in" to the root of Jesse, and now am an Israelite. #2. But I DO NOT replace Israel, none of the church does. Love you my Brother, God bless. (P.S. Tell Noah I'm praying for him...don't want to lose my boat-building brother)

@betterleftsaid3688

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Agreed. 👍🏻

@joinjen3854

Ай бұрын

Christ followers are Only grafted in with Messianic jews. The rest Rejected Jesus and they are not the Chosen.

I love this!

Amen

Love it, brother. Thank you!

Good teaching

I think I've read enough comments on these types of topics to realize that it's not just each tribe or denomination but that each person is relative to the particular dispensation he or she is living.🎉

I loved this teaching. There is one thing that needs clarification, as far as my understanding, Messianic Jews are Christians, so we are equal with them as brothers and sisters in Christ. I do love this teaching!

@krizzie122

7 ай бұрын

so glad you picked up on this too

"For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself." Galations 6:3 "And Jesus said unto him, why callest me good ? There is none good but one, that is God. Thou knowest the commandments." Mark 10:18-19 No Man can call himself true or good.

People who follow Yeshua/Jesus are God's chosen people=true Israel 🇮🇱 🙏...we are Spiritual Israel 🇮🇱 🙏 ❤️

@gerardgmz

Ай бұрын

Easy and simple!

@Narrow-Pather

16 күн бұрын

JAH maintains his blood line chosen. Read Paul's writings. And then the Gentiles can be grafted in.

@peggy3670

16 күн бұрын

@@Narrow-Pather everyone who believes in Yeshua is chosen of God, whether you are genetic or from the nations...we are his people also...Zechariah 2:11 and Psalm 2:7,8...

JAH maintains his blood line chosen. Read Paul's writings. And Joel chapter 3 if you think JAH doesn't. And the Gentiles can be grafted in.

YHVH doesn’t lie, Israel is His firstborn son…it’s not about being a Jew…Abraham was a Hebrew..the firstborn whose life was spared at the Passover didn’t necessarily get into the Kingdom…Got Torah Got Truth

As a believer in the biblical Christ, over the years I’ve heard countless pastoral explanations about this scripture . It is confusing! After God explains all the previous chapters in full details, He ends by saying “all Israel will be saved.” Then He qualifies it further. Let’s just read it. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. KJV. So when we say “God didn’t say…” Well, yes He did. If we say that “God didn’t mean..” Then that leaves room for respectful debate before God. “God didn’t say” means… The translation is incorrect. Romans 26 was planted by man. Or Romans 26 is a lie. Because God never said it. Which is it? My point is that we can’t lean to our own understanding and make bold statements to the contrary of what is actually written. If God didn’t say Romans 26 then what else did He “not say?”

The NT and Paul use words more than one way. Such is the case with the vocabulary word Israel. The meaning for Israel in a given verse is determined by the context. Proof? Read Roman's 11 substitution "the Church" for every non and pronoun and you will learn that Paul speaks of Israel the nation when he says, "All Israel will be saved. " Take the challenge?

Why ignore what Paul says throughout Romans to the end. Please replacement theology is wrong

@peggy3670

Ай бұрын

He is not talking about replacement theory...

@ivanhuertas5307

23 күн бұрын

John 15:1 I am the true wine....

SAVED JEWS ARE !

They've lied so much even their deceived take heed that no man deceive you for many shall come in my name representing Christ, and through peace destroy many, Christianity, Catholicism

The nation of Israel we see today is not the Israel of God written about in Galatians 6:15-16, which says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Compare These Verses of Scripture from the Old Testament and the New Testament. In the Old Testament in Exodus 19:5-6, God told Moses to say unto the children of Israel, Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. We know that later on God rejected OT Israel for not keeping his covenant and when Jesus came he said to the rulers of the nation of Israel in Matthew 21:43. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a NATION bringing forth the fruits thereof. What other nation was Jesus talking about? in the New Testament Peter while writing to Christians in 1st Peter 2:9-10 wrote. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a HOLY NATION, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Is not this the same promise that was given to Old Testament Israel? The nation of Israel we see today is not the Israel of God, Those who are in Jesus Christ are. It is written in Galatians 3:16, Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. If you are in Christ, you are the Israel of God.

@maximusralte777

3 ай бұрын

Yes it is true we are spiritual Israel. But we are not the Israel Romans 11 is talking about. Read till end.

The true people of God are those who accept Jesus as their Lord! You can't hate Jesus and his followers and at the same time be the people of God.. If the remnants don't accept Jesus they will die and go to to hell! Let's preach Jesus to all. Only Jesus and nothing else

Guessing you misspoke in saying you are more of a True Israelite than a Messianic Jew? Did you mean to say that? Because the Apostles were Messianic Jews/Israelites. Messianic’s Believe Jesus is the Messiah, as you do.

@thecrosschurchpensacola

11 ай бұрын

No, I don’t believe Messianic Jews are “more true Israel” than Gentiles. Christ is the true Jew, the true Israel, so whoever is in him by faith, is “the true Israel of God” (Gal 6:16)

@michaelelijah-cd7wn

9 ай бұрын

​@@thecrosschurchpensacola🙂👍🏾

Roman11:1

Paul was lsrealites

Balaam was not a Jew and would not speak against the Israelites yet he had the authority to speak as a prophet, today there are prophets who have had true theophanies and glorious revelations, who would never deny Israel's right in fact they would endorse Israel and the people in Israel as the *Children of God* Christians are envious of Jewish salvation, thinking that Jews have to convert to Christianity but they don't, Christianity came about because one enlightened man and the generation he grew up in knew they had to expand the ability of God to create *a superhighway for souls* that the Children of God would come to God in the arms of *KINGS who would be their foster fathers, and Queen's who would be their Nursing mothers* as recorded in Isaiah 49, which also records Israel as *You are my servant Israel in whom I shall be Glorified* The new Testament states that Jesus Christ identified Elijah in John the Baptist and John the Baptist identified Israel redivivus in Jesus (the lamb of God) where he said _John answered them, “I baptize with water; but among you stands one whom you do not know, 27 _*_even he who comes after me, the thong of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie.” 28_*_ This took place in Bethany_ John the Baptist therefore states that he recognised Jesus as Israel when he was present in Elijah, even though Israel lived 1200 years before him, as confirmed by Isaiah salvation of the Jews is *The preserved of Jacob are redeemed in Israel* The Old Testament provides reincarnation as a mean of Redemption. _Zechariah 13:9 And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will _ The New Testament also states that a person has opportunities to be reborn *but a time comes when they can no longer die anymore, but must become children of God* celestial beings and then be judged. As Christians they must have the Jewish spiritual blood for transformation which Jesus Christ gives. Luke 20:36 _36 for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection._ The following text of Luke (37) confirms the salvation which the Jews enjoyed from Moses. The New Testament was written by dedicated Jews who were including the family if Abraham in the lineage of Jesus but they also revered King David as Jesus ancestry and the Christian Church has avoided any belief in reincarnation as a pathway to Resurrection and Ascension because to understand that subject in the light of Scripture brings the believer directly ti the knowledge that Jesus and (Jacob) are Israel. Judgement for an Israelite and a Christian are the same they must stand before the Divine Word of God and hear his testimony of salvation which is Revelation, jesus does not take part in Judgement nor does Almighty God, because a person could not bear it. *Jesus Christ does not Judge* John 8:15 _You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one._ John 8:50 _Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it and he will be the judge._ John 12:47 _If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world._ John 5:221-23 _21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 22 _*_The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honour the Son,_*_ even as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father who sent him._ It is a great honour to be judged and confirms that we have had multiple opportunities for rebirth but we are now at *the end of the world* in the presence of a personage of overwhelming purity a purity that confirms in us how far removed we are from Him who has to deal with us. Like Job He asks *who are you to stand before me* and *are you great? Only the great can pass me by* This can happen in this life or after it. After a length of time in which you are left with the wrath of God on you, you may be allowed to see God the Father but you see him in Jesus Christ You see the glory of God in Him, this is called the *Beatific Vision.* This can cause concern in the soul, because the Christian religion states that Jesus is the Judge this is not true, but he can *pray the spirit for us* the Son who is the Spirit of Truth and Divine Word manifests himself as a *Glittering great two edged Sword* this is not Jesus but Jesus Christ in the Beatific Vision is ALSO Israel. Judgement is a non-trinitarian event

@KrochmalResnikoff-ou5qs

2 ай бұрын

Finally, someone with some enlightenment. Thankyou for this message. 👍💥💫💯💢🕳

@peggy3670

Ай бұрын

There is nothing to be jealous about...we are all chosen by God, those who follow Yeshua...you do not get eternal life just because you are genetic...most Jewish people don't believe in Yeshua Messiah...we are God's people also...Zechariah 2:11 and Psalm 2:7-8...and his inheritance...we are his people ,Roman's chapter 9...Also they intermarried alot and many were converted to Judiasm...so they are really not pure Israel...Yeshua is the one true SEED of Abraham and we are his Chosen...

@jimkennedy8812

Ай бұрын

Paul did not reject Judaism, see Romans 3:1-4 and contrast Romans 2:1-2 The same Spirit given to Jews is given to Christians and that lineage we have through being _grafted in_ was through one Jewish man. The Church is One Body in which Christ is it's head, but Christians and Jews have to face an epic decision as to the person of Jesus and Israel (Jacob) being the same person otherwise they cannot claim Isaiah 53 is about Jesus unless reincarnation is understood by both adherents, Isaiah 53 is about Israel (Singular) Isaiah 49:3 is about Israel (Singular) Argue all you like about this unless both sides realise that It is the promise to Abraham that glorifies God, as well as the Davidic dimension. Can people put aside spiritual pride and see the continuity that the Bible states. The Law is still relevant and those that contravene it suffer for it.

@peggy3670

Ай бұрын

@jimkennedy8812 Isaiah 53 is all about Messiah not Israel as a nation or the people as they are sinners just like everyone and can never take away our sins as they are very flawed...it took a pure holy sacrifice and that was Yeshua not Israel the people or Jacob...The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...Jesus Messiah...

@jimkennedy8812

Ай бұрын

@@peggy3670 Jesus does not Judge neither does the Father, Christ is the Messiah and He is the Word of the Lord, The Church cannot SAVE their role is to distribute the sacraments, in the Sacrament of the Altar the Divine Son says _This is my Body given up for you, take it and eat it_ We cannot access God the Father unless God the Son allows us, He says _No-one can come to the Father but by me_ if the Son chooses to reveal the Father to anyone (and He does) they see God the Father in Jesus Christ, this is the _Beatific Vision._

By the time you finish applying the hermeneutic cosmetic treatment to the actors and erecticting stage prop rules and dialogue ( via Storm, Moo, Beale ), I would basically say we are left with a "True" & "Non-Ethnological" REMNANT, paltry, small, unsavory, unseasonably, a morsel though it may seem; and certainly a scripture that is even more a vague amorphous deep shadowy escatological ghost than what Paul was actually trying to say. No scripture uses the word "true" or "ethnos" in conjunction or adjectivally with the noun, Israel," in a reified nature that is now customary with the nature of fascists and the totalitarian. Paul is speaking in an aleatory and somewhat exasperated hyperbole. You are mistaking this, as many Protestant leaders have done, for a new preternatural set of principals, specifically those listed in Galatians 5:20-21. This list & more is reserved for those who forsake Torah. As Paul says in Roman's the law &, Prophets have a function in the salvation process. And in Roman's 11 we know the deity is within his rights to change things from the preconceived grafting rules of men. But he does not repent of His gifts. The Tanakh is the lens through which the NT can be discerned. Without it one risks stumbling into the abyss. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." Matthew 24:35

@joinjen3854

Ай бұрын

You try too hard Intellectually. Come to Jesus as a child. The Way is simple. John 3, Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 15.

It includes the gentiles.

"He says (to the church) 'you are the True Israel.'" Lies. Read Galatians 6 for yourself. This is bear assertion. The most natural way to read 6:16 is 2 groups joined by the Greek conjunction kai (and). Even if everything else you said was 100% correct (it isn't), how can you claim that you are more Jewish than a messianic Jew? That is a Jew by decent who also believes Jesus (Yeshua) is the Messiah. The messianic Jew lives keeping the same commandments Jesus did. You, as a Gentile, do not. A statement like you made is more obviously wrong than the theory of a flat earth.

Jacob is Israel. Abraham is not Israel. We are both descendants of Abraham Jew and gentile. Just like believers now are not all true believers as Jesus spoke of wheat and tares. Same with natural Israel. Some are children of Abraham and the promise and some are not. But to claim all these OT prophecies about the restoration of the 12 tribes with the Lord reigning in their midst, are just about the church is doing a huge injustice to the scriptures. The end of Romans 11 plainly states a partial hardening has come upon Israel till Jesus comes again to banish the ungodliness from them. Why is it still separating a time of the gentiles and this partially hardened Israel if we were Israel? And your Galatians quote is plain wrong. He wouldn’t have included the “AND” if he was calling the church the Israel of God. “And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon THEM, AND upon the ISRAEL of God.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6‬:‭16‬ ‭

Way way wait. It’s not a spiritual “ Jew” that you become as a believer in Christ (even though I fully understand what you’re saying. But when it comes to scripture. Hairs must be split)…. What you become is a spiritual child of Abraham!!! Abraham is the model for the Christ believer right? “ Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness?” I think of how the serpent plays with words. A little microshift can set a new trajectory. The teaching of scripture is very old. We get new understanding but we don’t really get new terms. Every “new idea” should be a flag for the believer. We should always compare the conversion in the garden (fail) With the conversation in the wilderness (pass). Jesus had loose and metaphoric conversations with the people. But with the serpent in the wilderness He “kept it 100😂” Hard strict scripture! No parables no similes . Let’s be careful and suspect of new ideas!

@joinjen3854

Ай бұрын

Abraham was NOT a jew. He was a Hebrew Israelite, not a jew.

@DualApproachGolf

16 күн бұрын

@joinjen3854 what is the dufference?

@joinjen3854

16 күн бұрын

@@DualApproachGolf go.study it. It was one of his offspring, Judah, who formed the jews.

@DualApproachGolf

16 күн бұрын

@@joinjen3854 wrong

@joinjen3854

16 күн бұрын

@@DualApproachGolf Abraham was a Caananite. God made him an Israelite of the 10 northern tribes, NONE of who were jewish.

Do you mean you are a convert convert, grafted in, but you are not a descendent, not the root, and until you acknowledge the root and who Yah is I believe you are faking also, the whole truth must be told, are you part of the deception the word speaks of.. the WHOLE TRUTH

@peggy3670

Ай бұрын

Salvation is not about being genetic...it is all about who you know, namely, Yeshua Messiah...Romans chapter 9=I will call those who are not my people, my people ETC...

Paul was not a jew ... he was descedent of Benjamin, and not of Judah. And Judah have 11 brothers ... remember ???? Judah /Jews/Jewish is only 1/12 of House of Jacob/House of Israel/ Ephraim. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ... don't teach anybody furthermore. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

@joinjen3854

Ай бұрын

Judah, Benjamin and Levi are the Tribe of JUDAH/ Jews.

@DualApproachGolf

16 күн бұрын

Jewry consisted of all the tribes by interpretation. Not just the tribe of Judah. Where did you get that? Remember when the Bible said Jesus could no longer walk in Jewry? He could not walk amongst the hebrews at that point.

Fantastic!!the truth is so great,remember jesus was not a 'jew' he was hebrew,do your research,study the word 'jew' ,god be with you,long live palestine.