Love the comment regarding the word of God knowing us better than we know ourselves. Thank you ladies! 💗

@tims.449

Жыл бұрын

She nailed it. God knows even the number of hairs on our heads.

@user-vl1rx8xo2y

8 ай бұрын

Good! Excellent!

Thank you for the content. I am finding it more and more difficult to find professing Christians who do believe in the inerrant authority of scripture. And I live in the so called Bible-Belt with a theological similarly just 45 minutes up the road from me. I am realizing that, more and more, I’m dealing with either the hyper-charismatic movement with the prosperity gospel being preached or the progressive Christian movement or, in some cases, both at the same time. Then, if I go to a more “conservative” church, I deal with women being unable to have much of a role in the church or an atmosphere that is so dry and dusty that it’s difficult to connect. I never knew that being a part of the Body of Christ would become so challenging in our culture.

@Krullerized

Жыл бұрын

You need to stop being afraid and go to an NIFB church. Never seen a church more lively and alive with happier women than in a NIFB church. We need to be very careful of interpretations, the Bible is often very clear and if it isn't, that's a bad modern version that brings confusion.

@preciousoparanozie5747

Жыл бұрын

I do not live in the US, but I understand this dilemma - especially as a woman. What I live with is knowing that just as the Bible says, the church is not perfect; and no "doctrine" is without its hitches. So, if you are growing spiritually somewhere, and the church affirms the clear orthodox theology (on Jesus, salvation, Scripture), just remain there.

@shb8212

Жыл бұрын

I know exactly how you feel. My church prides itself on being biblically sound but there is so little community and involvement from members that at the end if the day it doesn't matter, what good is being correct if you don't disciple others? I'm about ready to sacrifice doctrine for a church I'm excited to be at.

"The thief on the cross is a wonderful example of how to die ... not how to live." A good reminder from Rosaria.

Scripture is not open to personal interpretation ~

Brava to both of you. Thank you for your courage to address this topic and the current consequences therein. ~Dr. Philip

This video is so helpful, and terrifying. I’ve been having this exact conversation with someone I’ve studied scripture with for years now. There has seemed to be fruit, but realizing that we are fundamentally viewing scripture differently - INERRANT vs. ‘authoritative’ - is so heartbreaking. I can’t make anyone fundamentally bow the knee to Christ. But will a true friend tell them that hell is where this leads? Even if that might “push them” over the edge into non-relationship? You are so right about the arguments and the terminology getting slipperier…these waters are indeed murky. Praise the Lord, who ALONE is a lamp to our feet and a light to our path. Thank you for your respective ministries.

Absolutely impeccably said. Both of you. What a profound gift God gives through your channel/content, Alisa. So thankful to the Lord for you!

@carolmason8085

Жыл бұрын

...and thank you both for being willing to step up and say the hard things that need to be said. Love is not silent!

You had me at Rosario Butterfield. Talk about Truth and Love?? Man! Thanks so much Alisa.

I love both of these ladies. They have both blessed my heart. They both have such kind and gentle spirits, and a true love for the Lord and Truth.

Throughout the ages, humanity has constantly tried to justify sin(s) and, in effect, be his own god with a worldview established by his own moral interpretation. It's very sad but there is and always has been a remnant of true believers.

Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾 His grace and mercy be upon you all and your loved ones 🕊️🥛🍯

Wow. That was awesome. Thank u

I come from Norway, in Scandinavia. During earlier revivals, the devout Christians got the nickname "readers" because they loved the Bible and could discern the times. Today, it is a challenge to get Christians to pick up their Bibles and even some Pentecostal leaders have changed their views on homosexuality. Has the gospel changed? No! Somehow we got "wiser" than God ... We need to repent because worldly-minded Christians can't be world-changers.

Rosaria just keeps getting better.

Paul’s final comment in 2 Timothy 2:15 is helpful because it tells us what success looks like in the study of the Word: to be “rightly dividing” the Word of truth (NKJV). The Greek word translated as “rightly dividing” is orthotomounta-ortho means “right or proper,” and tomounta means “to cut.” Literally, success in handling the Word is to cut it properly or correctly. This is farming imagery, as a farmer who is plowing a field would seek to cut straight furrows in order to plant rows of seed. When plowing, a farmer would look at a point on the other side of the field and focus on that point to ensure the line cut in the dirt was straight. This is what the good student of the Word is doing, as well: remaining focused on the goal or outcome and being diligent to handle the Word of God properly. To rightly divide the Word of truth is to “cut it straight.”

"An example of how to die, not an example of how to live" That talking point about the thief on the cross, that one hit home for me! Thank you, Rosaria and Alisa!

@theophilus46

Жыл бұрын

. . . . . I often use the two criminals hanging next to Jesus for a easy understanding of finding salvation. The first one was a bit mocking, but it is the 2nd thief's words that goes through all the steps of becoming saved and said: . 1. we deserve to be here (acknowledging his sin) 2. This man has done nothing wrong ( by this time , Jesus teaching had spread far and wide in the area, and He never broke the Law, rather claimed to be Son of God) 3. then asked Jesus in a trusting manner that he was talking to Messiah, to remember me when you come to your kingdom (Jesus saw into his heart that he ''believed'' he was talking to Messiah ) 4. Jesus gave him the assurance that ''today you will be with me in paradise''

Absolutely brilliant

@7:30 God puts His Word in higher esteem than His name. Ps. 138:2

“Jesus is not a Reader-Response critic.” Yes! Thank you! So well said.

Very helpful👌🏽

So good 👏🏽

Beautiful!! 😍

I would also greatly appreciate you addressing the teachings of Neville Goddard. It is my understanding that followers of Goddard claim to believe in Jesus, but that Jesus exists ONLY as our imaginations. To me this sounds particularly dangerous because they do not think they are denying Jesus. Thank you.

You go girl!😁

I've come across a comment that Paul's conversion didn't include salvation but that he had to first learn enough about Christ to come to true faith, repent and only then God was able to save Him..

The Novel "Relativity Rabbi" explains and comforts.

I was moved by this segment -- many modern Christians find it tricky to address sexuality with their friends.

@scottharrison812

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps because other people’s sexuality is none of their business?

@judylloyd7901

5 ай бұрын

​@@scottharrison812 Other people's sinful lifestyles can certainly be the business of a friend who doesn't want to see their friends go to hell.

Alisa will you have God is Gray on your channel?

God does not make us to hate us! Creation ordinance!!! We came from God, belong to God and will return to God!!!

love the title of "who are we to judge those that interpret the Bible differently " .......That is not even a good smoke screen to dodge what is written by the prophets or disciples Ask yourself, what is anyone's reason to come up with ''reinterpretations", or "new light " ? What I have seen is the utter disregard for honest rendering of scriptures , of disregarding the writers understanding of the times & culture. People add or subtract to benefit what they want. so, here is one for you to have a chuckle over................I have a friend who dropped out of 9th grade to help his family, He is a full blooded Navajo , and knows his history fairly well. So for a fun experiment, I opened up the book of Romans, chapter one. and had him read verses 20-28, which some of you know well. (if not, go read it) and asked him to tell me what it meant. Mind you, he is not Christian, but has heard a little . The look on his face, and his choice of words were not what I expected. His interpretation was: " they are queers and they are going to hell" . None of those words were from the text ! None the less, the truth of what Paul wrote , he clearly understood.. .... Go read Proverbs 30: 5-6. for guidance. While Gods love, mercy and grace, is the approach to use, the end goal is to offer unbelievers the opportunity to find forgiveness, beginning with repentance, and to believe in Jesus Christ as LORD. ,

I like this woman. She has the hard, honest words of a Bible preacher and the soft demeanor of the old school liberal kindergarten teacher. In my opinion. 🎉

Hi. I’m new to Christianity and you inspire me to find the truth and not just listen to everything. Do you or anyone else who follows her beliefs have books, ministries, beginner Bible studies, etc for Me? I’d really appreciate it. I hope everyone has a blessed day.

@ronbyrd1616

3 ай бұрын

Hi, the following doc films are truly inspiring and enlightening: "Patterns of Evidence" , "The Exodus Revealed" , and "Darwins Dilemma" . I think you'll enjoy these ! Peace and TRUTH to all.

Read "Relativity Rabbi" by Don Emigholz.

The more I read through the Bible the more true it gets. I see less and less problem passages.

I am studying apologetics and how to argue against progressive Christianity. My husband is a progressive and only has progressive elders as leaders. (He is a pastor.) He argues with me because he believes and teaches that since Jesus never spoke about homosexuality being a sin, then he will do the same. Long story short; he always finishes his argument/debate that God made everyone different. (Most of our members believe that homosexuals are born that way.) He also argues that the fact that I believe that someone can get divorced on the basis of physical/sexual abuse that I also have a progressive interpretation of divorce because Jesus said that we should not get divorced. And then he tells me that everyone interprets the Bible differently. Any suggestions on how to debate progressives. (When Roe v Wade was overturned he announced to the church that abortion is a sin-but women should have the choice to an abortion because Jesus was about choices.).

@jmsimcic

Жыл бұрын

How does your husband know that abortion is a sin? Jesus never said that specifically, either, but your husband knows it because of the way life is valued and framed in the Bible. Likewise, sexuality is very clearly framed in the Bible- in the NT and the OT. Additionally, Jesus said that He and His Father are one. If your husband believes that Jesus is part of the triune God, then Jesus was also the One who inspired the Old Testament, which was very clear about homosexuality. Jesus HAS spoken on this.

@paulc7190

Жыл бұрын

how much do apologists believe in, study the giftings of and the indwelling of Holy Spirit

@jaykrizzle

Жыл бұрын

So using his logic, we should also have the legal choice to murder already born humans? All about having choices right? As Christians we know that human life is body AND spirit, and thus it follows that babies are a distinct human soul from the beginning, while the body is small.

@markhorton3994

Жыл бұрын

You can seperate from your husband for abuse but the Bible is clear: except for adultery you must act as though still married. Secular divorce may be needed for financial reasons or protection but in God's eyes marriage is for life.

@ticarot

Жыл бұрын

I know it's hard to hear, but maybe "One of us is going to hell" would be speaking the truth in love to your husband.

The church question not addressed here is “why then is the bible the only truth?” Simply because it is the word of God . And God does not change His word to “adopt “ to our understanding. Scripture is very clear about that. And scripture is very clear also as to why we are not to lean to our own understanding about scripture. And when you study God’s word guided by the Holy Spirit, you’ll find there scripture backs up scripture. And if we are serious in our study and growing relationship with Christ, what we will see is our understanding turning to be God’s understanding.

@Revelation-cb1rb

Жыл бұрын

(Ezekiel 36:22,27) thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O HOUSE of ISRAEL, but for mine holy name's sake I WILL PUT MY "SPIRIT" WITHIN YOU Who was promised the Holy Spirit Mark?? - you nonresponse makes it clear that you understand - have a seat n stop lying sir your flirting with blasphemy

Wow 🙏❤️

5:20 heavy point.

I never judge because it's the Spirit of God that convicts the sinner through the hearing or reading of the Word of God. If a person gets mad because of my witness, it's not my Word it is God's, talk to him and he will show you the way.

@Revelation-cb1rb

Жыл бұрын

(Ezekiel 36:22,27) thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O HOUSE of ISRAEL, but for mine holy name's sake I WILL PUT MY "SPIRIT" WITHIN YOU Only ethnic bloodline Israelites were promised the Holy Spirit Big Steve - your flirting with blasphemy friend

@gracelatour3441

Жыл бұрын

Big Steve, we are commanded by God to judge righteously- to confront and expose those things that don't belong within the "body of Christ or society - get it right - your commentary is blasphemous~

@SteveWV

Жыл бұрын

@@gracelatour3441 I think you should reread what I said. What Blasphemy? I can and do judge what's righteous and evil. Im saying in 1st grader terms, that if my Witness, (The preaching of Gods Word and the Gospel) gets someone mad It is not me judging them its Gods Word. The Gospel says they are already condemned who does not believe the Gospel of Christ.

@SteveWV

Жыл бұрын

@@Revelation-cb1rb No your flirting with Blasphemy of Gods Word. Bloodline makes no difference. Romans 4 and Acts 2, The latter part of Psalm 2 the book of Joel, the book Acts, Isiah 42. Hebrew roots right? or so called Black Hebrew Israelite cult?

@Revelation-cb1rb

Жыл бұрын

@@SteveWV ( Hebrews 12:16-17 kjv) Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as E S. A U when he would have inherited the blessing, he was REJECTED: for he found NO PLACE OF "REPENTANCE" (Malachi 1:2-4) yet I loved Jacob, And I hated E. S. A. U and they shall call THEM, The border of "WICKEDNESS" and, THE PEOPLE against whom the Lord hath indignation FOREVER (Psalm 11:5-6) The Lord trieth the righteous: but the "WICKED" and him that loveth violence his soul hateth Upon the WICKED he shall rain "FIRE" and "BRIMSTONE" this shall be the portion of their cup (Obadiah 1:18) And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of E. S. A. U for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall NOT BE ANY REMAINING of the house of E. S. A. U. for the LORD hath spoken it THUS SAYETH THE LORD

Feelings and experiences are not necessarily biblical. That's where we make so many mistakes. The Bible should define us, not our feelings and experiences.

The thief on the cross. Wonderful statement.

There are only one meaning but many interpretations.

She's mostly right in this video, but she falls into, I think maybe unintentionally, the Scripture is Jesus heresy (I can't remember the name of it), where you take Logos of God and equate it to the Bible, a view rejected early on in church history. The Bible is the Word of God, but it is not the Logos of God, Jesus is. This is a common heresy in the contemplative Neo-new age stream of devotional-ism.

Yes just because you can and may possibly be forgiven for horrific deeds in your final moments does not mean that behavior of the sort should be considered ok up until that point, it is because that it is not that you ask for forgiveness and admit you have done wrong that proves that even you believe it is and was never the right thing to do. So follow Jesus! Don't wait until your dying breath! Do it now!

Rosaria (7:49).. “Jesus is not a reader response critic!” 👍

When Rosaria says “One of us is going to hell!” is she saying this for rhetorical effect, or does she really believe that salvation is based on passing a theology test, without any room for struggle or doubt? An important distinction needs to be made between an obstinate refusal to submit to Scriptural authority, and some sort of genuine confusion as to what the Bible teaches. God help us if we fail to make that distinction.

@tennisrockstar1

Жыл бұрын

I’m making a guess here, but I believe she means it in a literal way because the ideas of progressive Christianity are usually not rooted in the gospel that saves. If people can’t see sin as sin and therefore believe they are not sinners, they can’t believe and accept that Jesus died for their sins.

@clarkemorledge2398

Жыл бұрын

@@tennisrockstar1 Fair enough. I can follow Rosaria about 90% of the time, until she throws in a some wild zinger, that makes we wonder, "What is she really saying?" Thanks.

@badgerden7080

Жыл бұрын

I truly believe that she meant for anyone who does not follow Christ or refuses to follow Christ. However, that is not something that should be said in mixed company. It's very presumptuous and could be discouraging to someone who has just found Jesus Christ. It paints Jesus as a cruel God who doesn't offer forgiveness. The new believer will be frightened off by something like that. Please remember that a new believer still doesn't know God's personality or his ways. A new believer might get the impression that God is cruel and unforgiving. They might still not know why Jesus died on the cross.

@judylloyd7901

5 ай бұрын

​​@@badgerden7080 If someone doesn't know why Jesus died then they don't understand sin, God's holiness, or their need of a Saviour. They are not in a position to receive the gospel and come to God for forgiveness if they don't recognize they need forgiveness. In that case they are not Christians.

@ronbyrd1616

3 ай бұрын

Many shall perish for lack of knowledge .

Read RC Sproul.

That’s it! Jesus is the Word made flesh.

@robertdouglas8895

Жыл бұрын

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. And ne'er the twain shall meet;

@chardo24

Жыл бұрын

How come Jesus is the Christ and you are not?

@robertdouglas8895

Жыл бұрын

@@chardo24 Paul said, " You have the mind of Christ." Jesus' body in immaterial.

@parabinda

Жыл бұрын

How do you know mad men are talking ? When they say Jesus is your saviour. Savior of what? Saving from where? Then they say the eternal hellfire. But in reality there is no eternal hellfire. You keep on reincarnating. And you are responsible for that. What Jesus will do? Will pull you from your desires?

@parabinda

Жыл бұрын

@@robertdouglas8895 You should always question Paul. He has single handedly fooled all Christians for all time. He gave you - good news, but it is actually bad news. You are doomed if you believe in it.

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When the enemy tells you something...believe them! “We need to be the party of nationalism and I’m a Christian, and I say it proudly, we should be Christian nationalists.” Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk - that’s not in the Constitution.” Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) Lauren Boebert calls for laws to enforce "biblical citizenship training" in our schools. “We’re not bending the knee to the two percent anymore,” said Andrew Torba, founder of the right-wing-friendly social platform Gab, referring to Jewish people in the United States. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the former national security adviser, told a Christian gathering last November, “If we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion. One nation under God and one religion under God.” The 10-year-old Ohio girl who crossed state lines to receive an abortion in Indiana should have carried her pregnancy to term and would be required to do so under a model law written for state legislatures considering more restrictive abortion measures, according to the general counsel for the National Right to Life. Former President Donald Trump said during a speech on Saturday that "Americans kneel to God" alone, as the concept of Christian nationalism continues to gain traction among conservatives. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis attended a rally in Pennsylvania with state Sen. Doug Mastriano. Mastriano has praised Andrew Torba, the founder of Gab and a self-described Christian nationalist. Desantis is the most insidious of them all because he knows better. Jesus is the mascot of the Trump-Republican Taliban! When the Civil War starts will you choose America or Theocracy?

Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

@Revelation-cb1rb

Жыл бұрын

Audience is crucial to context - obviously Christ was speaking to Israelites - so how does his statement apply to nonisraelites Berglen??

Many will have a hard time with this. Many want to believe that it means one way that they are ok with in their own life while another would believe very differently to what it means even when it goes against what their flesh desires and take it to help them turn from their sin and change to be better godly amd righteous as Christ wants us to die to our flesh and walk in the Holy Spirit.

@robertdouglas8895

Жыл бұрын

We die to our flesh when we realize we are created in the likeness of God. We are spirit, born/ created that way and still are. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." The Bible interpreted by Spirit is very different from that interpreted by the carnal/ bodily mind. "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."

@loveforgood7520

Жыл бұрын

@@robertdouglas8895 we are first born by water then when we become born again and get baptized we are born of the Spirit, ive heard and read some scripture on that.

@robertdouglas8895

Жыл бұрын

@@loveforgood7520 And the carnal mind listens to and obeys the world and what it tells you that you are and what you need.. The Christ mind only hears God. Those thoughts are connected to the will of God. So the idea that Christ's identity is both carnal and spiritual is impossible, and it's the same for us.

@loveforgood7520

Жыл бұрын

@@robertdouglas8895 we struggles against fleshly desires as born again believers, that's a fact. We are to choose which to follow and obey, OUR fleshly desires or the Holy Spirits. We have a choice, we have it harder because we are not perfect. Christ is the Father in the flesh, Christ understood us in our weaknesses.

@robertdouglas8895

Жыл бұрын

@@loveforgood7520 "I am with you always." "These and greater things shall you do." "My yoke is easy and my burden is light." Our choice to sacrifice and follow in the steps of Jesus as a sacrifice is what makes life a struggle. was not was no But that was not what the Crucifixion and Resurrection was for. It was to show that forgiveness is what frees us from thinking we are separate from God.. "My God, Why have you forsaken me? It was not his death that brought him back in touch with his father. and out of suffering. It was forgiveness. "Forgive them for they know not what they do." Then he was done teaching us to do the same thing. Then we return to our true identity as God created us. " If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.

Read RC Sproul

Jesus's response to the thief on the cross - today, you shall be in paradise. It's the only way to live regardless of where in the timeline of your earthly life you meet the Lord.

I AM don't ever use that truth you might say weak things.

Is Butterfield a Calvinist?

Plus the thieves on the cross, as far as we know based on information, didn't break the unforgivable sin. Including the fact Jesus teaches Mercy, Forgivness, and Judgment. A their is a their because somewhere along the way their heart got broken. They need love not utter condemnation. There is only one thing unforgivable. And too much of it is what causes all the problems. Deu 28:28, the heart is the unconscious mind. When ones neuroconnections are wired improperly, over "generations" things like schizophrenia develop. Also things like depression, anxiety so on and so forth. You inherit the heart.

@Revelation-cb1rb

Жыл бұрын

Audience is crucial to context - obviously only ethnic bloodline Israelites were being spoken too in "Deuteronomy 28" - your attempt to apply it to everyone and anyone is flirting with blasphemy dodgy - careful

@dodgyphilisopher9905

Жыл бұрын

@@Revelation-cb1rb you need more information. It's about profaning the name of God. You can be any nation and call upon his name. Unless youre saying gentiles cannot be saved? Yahshua said he was sent only unto the lost sheep of Israel. Anyone can graft into Israel. That's the deeper point of the fullness of the Gentiles, its not just the comferter/shiloh. Gen 4:26 it's all people who call upon his name and then profane his name. You cannot understand the Mark of the beast without this. All nations get deceived. Pay attention, and be careful of calling something blasphemy, there is only one unforgivable sin. And that sin has everything to do with what it means to be חלל. And everyone on earth got this curse from Adam and Eve. Every heart on earth is broken until you understand christ and can recieve the Holy spirit. Edit: hey I'm sorry, I totally pressed the wrong letter so I edited. Don't wanna lead you to the wrong thing by accident. Although you can still figure it out if you just read the verse and study it in context to the overall theme of scripture, and God's plan.

@Revelation-cb1rb

Жыл бұрын

@@dodgyphilisopher9905 You told 3 lies in one paragraph - it's ridiculous - the most blasphemous being that anyone can receive the Holy Spirit - let's see if your capable of speaking an iota of "truth" or if your a liar n blasphemer - question - "who" was promised to Holy Spirit?? 👇 (Ezekiel 36:22,27) thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O "HOUSE of ISRAEL" but for mine holy name's sake I WILL PUT MY "SPIRIT" WITHIN YOU

to the natural man, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”

I found this video quite interesting. It does seem to generalize certain people groups or topics though and maybe is not truly representative of some so-labeled deconstructionists. I have changed my views and perception of God in recent years as a believer and follower of Christ, probably longer than you have been alive. I believe scripture is inspired but I think it is quite a stretch to claim that (an English translation) of scripture is inerrant. That aside, I think there are big issues as you mentioned, like sexuality that are probably as clear as the difference between belief in a flat earth vs. a globe. On the other hand there are many thousands of denominations and groups that hold scripture as their authority but disagree on many things, some of which are major. For example, depending on the various sources of information, there is evidence that ultimate, universal reconciliation was the majority view of the afterlife, over annihilation and lastly, eternal conscious torment. None of the three were considered heresy at the time, but now it is like anathema to hold the universal viewpoint. To me, that is the biggest major move throughout the world today in the church. No one in the evangelical world, sorry, I shouldn't say no one. Many people are unwilling to even consider that maybe our Father may not be planning on torturing people in unimaginable pain and suffering forever and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. Does anyone even consider the magnitude of such a thing? We get a lot of skubala about how holy God is and how horrific our sins are in His eyes and how much we deserve to be tortured eternally. Have people that believe that ever even come close to encountering Father, Son and Spirt, let alone have fellowship and continual communion and communication with them? I quote R.C. Sproule although he was talking about something else when he said, "what is wrong with you people"? You may want to consider going a little wider in your research before you lump many people into the progressive camp, that are not even close to being progressive by your definition. I pray you will consider that.

@yauchg

Жыл бұрын

I find the translation argument the standard from those that don’t like what God has to say. If you believe God is powerful enough to create the heavens and the earth, to part the Red Sea, to raise a man from the dead, but do not believe he has the power to keep his word truthful, you do not follow the one true God!

@bradharford6052

Жыл бұрын

@@yauchg I absolutely believe God is able to keep scripture truthful. It is my baseline. That is why it is important to study and consider the language it was written in and how translators have used various words in the English language to represent one word in the original. Context is important, as is the time in history it was written, and who it was written to. It is man and his personal bias and understanding and interpretation where the problems arise. Millions of people believe the scripture is true and use it as their final authority, yet using the exact same text they interpret it differently. The woman in the video said there is only one correct meaning to what is written, yet we don't all agree on what that meaning is. Many people may say that the bible clearly teaches that Jesus was crucified on Friday, when in fact it clearly teaches He was crucified on Wednesday. One view is more complete than the other.

@DCard-yw6ml

10 ай бұрын

Well said. I think Rosaria and Allisa are very narrow minded, if not prideful in making sweeping generalization of so called deconstructionists.

Hebrews 4: 12 - 13💟

@billmcgoon9991

Жыл бұрын

Galatians 5: 16 v i o l accusation👁Galatians 2: 4 - 5 t i o n is leaning on your own understanding (Proverbs 3: 5). Galatians 6: 7 - 8

@billmcgoon9991

Жыл бұрын

2 Peter 3

@billmcgoon9991

Жыл бұрын

1 John 3: 6

@billmcgoon9991

Жыл бұрын

Matthew 7: 1 - 6

@billmcgoon9991

Жыл бұрын

James 2: 26🕳

“One of us is going to hell!” I am going to put this in my evangelical tool bag!

@jackshadow325

Жыл бұрын

What is hell?

@badgerden7080

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You might not want to speak that to someone in a room full of people. For one, could get your ass kicked if you say it to the wrong person. Secondly, it's rude and presumptuous. Third, even fellow Christians will think you're crazy.

@freshliving4199

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@@jackshadow325 Living a life never knowing God.

@freshliving4199

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How do you that you are not already in hell?

@ronbyrd1616

3 ай бұрын

​@@jackshadow325The Christian Bible describes it rather well...a place of darkness, a place of fire and brimstone, a lake of fire, a place of no escape,...our athiest friends used to ridicule all that by saying it's all a lie, it's a myth...however, in the early 70's something called black holes were discovered. They have been described as a black lake, gravity so intense that even light cant escape, incalculable heat within...our atheist friends arent laughing near as hardily as before .

Read RCSproul

Noteworthy Remark: the thief on the cross is a good way to die, not a good way to live!

Thank you. Everything is downstream of Christ.

How to die and not how to love,

I don't like labels like "progressive" as applied to "Christians" because it misdirects the attention from the true issues which often seem more basic. The notion that there are different interpretations of scripture regarding core subjects is often relativistic and idolatrous. It is relativistic because absolute truth is denied. It is idolatrous because the focus is on the individual person's _feeling_ about the meaning of a scriptural passage instead of where it should be: *on what God means.* And it is scary how poorly educated most "Christians" are about what the Bible actually says -- especially the first 39 books, which are just as important as the last 27. With the poor education of so many today, there is much confusion and this was on display in this video. For example, Rosaria stated that the Westminster Confession says the Bible is _inerrant._ It does not. This deception started with B.B. Warfield. If you read the Westminster Confession _carefully_ you'll see that in Section V of Chapter 1 it actually says: _"... our full persuasion and assurance of the _*_infallible_*_ truth and divine authority ..."._ What the Confession is saying is that scripture is *infallible* -- not _inerrant_ -- the two words are _not_ the same. Inerrancy assumes zero errors and also implies infallibility, but the reciprocal is _not true_ because a thing can contain an error (such as a minor typo) yet its meaning still be infallible. Very few people today -- including clergy -- understand what the early Reformers believed on this subject. The authors of the Westminster Confession held that versions (that is, translations of scripture into other languages like English) could also be infallible where they accurately represented the literal meaning of the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words. Why the emphasis on _literal_ meaning? _Answer:_ Because the early Reformers also believed in the "verbal inspiration" of scripture. This means that they believed each individual word was inspired. So you see, their understanding of infallibility was much broader than the idea of inerrancy that some "Christians" have embraced today. And I agree with the original Reformers on this subject. Then there's the often-ignored issue of Bible versions. Since the church abandoned its ecclesiastic responsibility to protect scripture centuries ago, it allowed a corrupt Greek New Testament to be embraced by most translators. Then nonbelievers and corporate interests were allowed to infiltrate translation. New translation techniques like _dynamic equivalence_ (basically, paraphrasing) were largely adopted. The end result for English speakers: Today there are a myriad of English versions and most have replaced God's original words with something else. There are even different versions for different sexual orientations. Is it any surprise that different "Christians" get different meanings from their favorite "Bible" flavor. We even see "Christian" preachers and writers doing similar with their à la carte method of browsing multiple versions. When preparing a sermon or message, they pick the version which they feel best makes their point. A preacher or writer may use many different versions throughout their message. This is backwards. When quoting scripture, the emphasis should be on accuracy to God's original words -- not what best fits your argument. When we pick and choose according to what sounds best to us, we elevate ourselves above God and attempt to put our words in His mouth! If you have committed your life to Jesus and you believe that scripture was truly "God breathed" (verbally inspired), you would seek to study and memorize as much of His literal words as possible. You would not tolerate paraphrases or edits that do not reflect the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek words of the autographs. If we are humble, how could we do otherwise? Another issue that Rosaria gets wrong is that there are "no problem passages" in scripture. This is simply not true. I agree 100% with her that scripture is of no private interpretation -- and I think this was her main point. But I can show numerous examples of ambiguity in scripture and we honestly are not sure what _exactly_ they mean. For example, what does it mean that immortality is a _gift_ of God and God has the power to destroy the human soul? We also have many, many examples of prophetic scriptures about which there is much disagreement and, if we're honest, we have to admit that God has not yet given understanding on some of these things. And there are numerous examples where the modern church has wrong understanding of some New Testament scriptures because they are ignorant of relevant Old Testament scriptures. One huge example is the crucifixion week. There were two Sabbaths that week. The first was an annual High Sabbath (the first day of the Week of Unleavened Bread) and the second was the weekly Sabbath (Saturday). Without understanding that there were two Sabbaths during the crucifixion week and that Hebrew days always began at sunset (not midnight), most of the Church today locates important events on the wrong days. This problem began after (1) the church demographic became mostly Gentile, (2) a false idea that the Old Testament was not important became fashionable, and (3) the understanding was lost regarding the annual Sabbaths commanded by God. Some of the "problems" can be solved with better education. But some cannot. I don't write this to humiliate or discourage. My point is that we cannot say there are "no problem passages" because there are and God has not yet chosen to enlighten us about some of them. And some concepts like the "trinity" may simply be too big for us to grasp until we are "changed". It's important for translators to preserve ambiguity where it exists in the original languages because we do not know for sure how to interpret them. Translators that try to remove ambiguity are wrong and impose their narrow opinion. Ambiguity does not diminish our faith in the infallibility of scripture. Rather is humbles us to realize that we have much to learn. And it's exciting to anticipate what God may yet reveal. There's one more issue that is relevant to the above video: Our ability to reason. God made us in His image and this has multiple aspects. It gives us _self awareness._ It gives us the capacity to _love._ And it gives us the capacity to _think._ This last capacity is underdeveloped today. Our schools discourage our children to think, less they become judgemental. But God demands that we think and that we judge. He says, if we would judge ourselves, He would judge us less. But how do you talk to a person about truth and how to rightly interpret the meaning of God's words in the Bible when they cannot critically reason? They have zero understanding of deduction and induction. This is why it is so important to teach our children _how_ to think -- *not* _what_ to think -- but _how_ to reason. So they can recognize fallacy and avoid falling prey to the falsehoods that surround us. If someone can critically reason, it is easy to prove that a Creator God exists and that the Bible contains His infallible words. Then you can teach God's plan of salvation through the Bible. Without critical reasoning, where do you begin? I suspect we'll see a greater outpouring of miracles during this time. But our mandate is to "make disciples" _(not_ "make converts"), so it quickly becomes our responsibility to educate so Christ-followers seek God's words and have the tools to discern truth from fallacy as the Holy Spirit leads them. That is the goal. It doesn't mean that God won't occasionally do something else. But we don't build our ministries on the exceptions -- we build them on the core principles.

God bless you, ladies... The word of God is not open to interpretation. Prophecy is a spiritual gift spoken of extensively in the New Testament Holy Book of '2 Corinthians', where the gifted messengers are to got out to the congregations in pairs, with one prophet to graciously share the message from God, loud and clear, and the other Prophet will assist with assuring the congregation of its accuracy so they don't have to, they can simply allow themselves to become captivated by the gracious speaker prophesying to them the wonderfully alive word of God. The assistant prophet is to confirm the primary's message or correct them. This might be ironically misinterpreted to be thought of as a type of "interpretive activity". But, it's technically not that at all. Technically, it purely involves the secondary prophet assisting the primary in their important role in ensuring God's Holy word gains traction among the hearts, minds, and souls of the congregation's audience as they're captivate to listen to the prophecies and law. Impetuousness and immaturity lead those who are completely ignorant of this fact about prophecy and the Living God's Holy written word, and completely unaware of their ignorance in this, and attempt to make sense of it from their ignorant and immature position here on the ground on this human plane of existence. Those who God hasn't gifted with the wonderfully unfathomable spiritual gift of Prophecy through the Holy Spirit at Pentacost cannot speak these messages from God. These messages are entrusted to those souls God has gifted, and their duty is to ensure the message is delivered to God's people as God desires it to be delivered. It is a solemn spiritual gift and a vital one in portraying God's plans along the timeline of human history as it played out in the past, is playing out in the present, and is to be played out in the future until after the end, when Eternity takes over and Time is no longer a concern. Along with the gift of Prophecy comes an inspired sense of duty to follow God's directions, no matter what, For example, like visiting fellow Christians in their folly, even when it's inconvenient, and we're inspired to graciously guide these people (not so difficult to be gracious when God inspires the prophets) back away from the wrong path, to literally Repent', i.e., to turn around/away from the track they've been traveling on in some vain, selfish attempt to "interpret" God's scriptures. How conceited. This phrase "...interpretation of God's word..." is unintentionally implying a self-righteousness from those who souls who wish to sub-consciously equate themselves with Enoch and Elijah, Moses and Aaron and Joshua, or Daniel, et al., or with Isaiah and/or the minor prophets... Even the Good Lord, Jesus Christ... And only really because there is a distinct lack of awareness re: the concept of Prophecy. Those who speak of interpretation don't even realise the word of God is not open for interpretation. When the message of the word of God in any particular instance moves, understanding is spiritually quickened to the consciousness of the Prophet/s (and Prophetess/es), and they're the medium with which the message is transmitted to te audience. The message is not open for interpretation. May God bless you and keep you. Keep the faith.

I am not a progressive by any stretch, but I would highly suggest you not use the "one of us is going to hell" approach, at least in terms of the commonly held definition of "hell". One of the prime motivators for the progressive movement is the rejection of the characterization of God as a father who would torture His creation for eternity if they don't choose rightly. In fact, for the first 500 years of the church, that concept was relatively foreign to them - they believed God would ultimately restore all, which is easy to understand given their temporal proximity to Paul's writings. Then came the Roman church who used "eternal hellfire" as a motivator for control. But fear is never a good motivator. Perfect love (Jesus) casts out all fear. Judgment, however, is certain, and we can die the "second death" now or later. Jesus can heal the inner wounds that brought about these people's sexual debauchery and perversion - we can't allow them to redefine what God considers an abomination, worthy of no less than capital punishment. But they don't have to suffer their present "hell" (which is what it is if they are honest), or even the biblical Lake of Fire, which will burn away their impurities at that time, in God only knows what way - IF they submit to Jesus, God's Word and perfect Law. But Christ will be all in all again, and they will be a part of that in the end.

New Testament occurred in about 300 AD under the tutelage of Rome . Certain things were included and certain things were not all on the judgement of these Roman church elders. How does that equal to "the word of God" No it isn't the word of God but the original word of the Christian church. Is it a given to talk about this stuff that you ppl have to agree that it is pure word of God material? I don't see the x lesbian answering that kind of question

You'll go to hell for misunderstanding the bible? I don't think that's what these two ladies believe but it came across that way

@r.u.s.e3586

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This is something I'm trying to understand as well. I've been told so far by many Christians that "If you do *-BLANK-* then you are going to hell." That's not what I was taught as a child but so many seem to think that way. Aren't we all sinners by nature? If that's true than by that logic we would all go to hell.

@producaodav

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To answer you both, put it like this: the bible says something is a sin, period. But you, taking away the authority from the bible, claim that you can interpret the bible in a different way it is written(or as James said, misunderstanding it). By adding "excuses" as to why this was said, using context, the time that passage was written and the times we're living now, you're basically finding excuses to live in sin. Yes, sin is in our nature, we're naturally going to sin. But we're called, by God, to not do it. However, it's only due to Jesus' death on the cross that we manage to not go to hell, because that's where we're headed in the first place. It's through Grace that we're saved, after all. God doesn't immediately send us to hell by sinning, but he doesn't send us immediately to Heaven by accepting Jesus either. It's all about how we live our lives, either in accordance with God (and so we should display the fruits of the spirit, as said in Galatians 5:22) or in sin (where we will display also fruits, in this case acts of the flesh, also said in Galatians 5:19-21). So who's going to heaven? Those that live by the spirit, and crucify their flesh and desires with Jesus everyday. Are we going to stop sinning? Not while we're here, but every day is a day for you to crucify your flesh and desires, sinning less and less. We're not perfect after all. Tl;dr: Have they said you'll go to hell for misunderstanding the bible? They said you'll go to hell for taking away the authority of the bible and making it whatever you want it to be. Aren't we all sinners by nature? Yes, but that's why you're called to reject your nature and enter God's nature, as He intended. "If you do blank you'll go to hell" if you do not repent of your sinful behavior

@gracelatour3441

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James, when the word of god is misrepresented, we sit under the judgment of God - we are to study to show ourselves 'approved' -

@James-ms2mx

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@@gracelatour3441 Misrepresented infers dishonest intent. I would agree with that

Stop explaining the New with the old.

Ptotestantism in all its forms is "progressive Christianity" - they just stop on different parts of the slippery slope.

Who are you to say? Ummm... We're not to say..... However we ARE to say what is written IN CONTEXT to The Bible..... For example..... Romans 1 24 - 27 24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged THE TRUTH of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the NATURAL use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the NATURAL use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. I can say with certainty there's no room for argument there. There's no wiggle room and there's no space for a debate on this topic. Notice also in The Bible where Jesus speaks of marriage and divorce..... He ALWAYS spoke on a man and a woman. In Genesis where man and woman were created we see the same thing..... "For this reason a MAN shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his WIFE." I could go over EVERYWHERE in scripture where God punishes the Israelites for this kind of behavior much like he did even with the pagan nations, but much like Satan people will still find ways to corrupt what is written for their own use and purposes as Jesus and his Apostles all stated in The Gospels and most epistles/letters. Every time when dealing with marriage ALWAYS it's stated The Man and his Wife. EVERY TIME. If anyone else wishes to argue this go over the Hebrew writings and see it again.... Ish (for man) (Isha) for woman. There's nowhere for ish married to ish, or isha married to isha. THE END.

What did Jesus say? ........................... "It's okay". Also, we all go to Heaven, or none of us go. Mankind lives forever or there is a ball of fire once known as Earth. Heaven or Hell. Not Heaven and Hell.

Who told any of u 2 be any religions we are called 2 be Holy and so keep rolling in sin and it can only end 1 way.

Romans 10-:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ALL human beings are on their way to HELL! NO EXCEPTIONS!! (whether you believe it or not)! JESUS alone can SAVE YOU! John 14:6 I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE! NO MAN comes to the Father except through ME! NO EXCEPTIONS!!

The bible is authoritative but it cannot be the final authority. By who's understanding of the scriptures are we to go with when even the reformers could not agree? I think the early Church herself tells us where to find the absolute truth: "It is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church-those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth". - Irenaeus of Lyons (a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna), Against Heresies, 4:26:2, 180 AD

The reason for the Crucifixion Jesus laid out for us when he was on the cross that we apply to all of life. He felt distance from God when he said, "Why have you forsaken me?" We all feel that distance from God. He gave us the solution to get back with God. " Forgive them for they know not what they do." With forgiveness we resolve our distance from others who we think did something to hurt us. Jesus knew he was responsible for his crucifixion as we are all responsible for all of the events in our lives. When we forgive others, we know we are united with God. "“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly. Father will also forgive you" The thief also repented, which is forgiveness for self, metanoia.

THERE IS ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE, AND THAT IS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT: NOBODY, NOBODY CAN HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS: THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH: THE HOLY SPIRIT SENDS FORTH HIS TRUTH: HE KNOWS WHAT IS IN YR HEART ! FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT THIS IS CALLED THE TRINITY.....

There are dozens if not far more "interpretations" and each christian claims that only they have the right version, and each claims that the holy spirit has told them they are right. and you call each other "satanic". how nice.

@gracelatour3441

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velkyn 1- scripture is not open to personal interpretation - The Word of God confirms the word of God, it never contradicts - get it right

@velkyn1

Жыл бұрын

@@gracelatour3441 "velkyn 1- scripture is not open to personal interpretation - The Word of God confirms the word of God, it never contradicts - get it right" funny how that's all that christians do, make up their interpretation based on their personal hates and desires. you have nothing else to use. And I do know that every Chritian claims that the ol' Holy spirit tells them the "right" answers. If so, then it must be lying to at least some of you since yuo don't agree on the most basic things: what morals this god wants, what heaven and hell are, how to be saved, how to do baptism and what it means, which parts of the bible to take literally or figuratively, etc. Now cue the claims of who is "really" a TrueChristian(tm). And the bible never contradicts? Wrong. I've read it and it's quite funny how incompetent this god evidently was, lokoing just like ignorant humans wrote this nonsense. How about we look at Exodus 20, where this god says it will punish descendants for what parents do, and then says it won't do this in Ezekiel 18? If your god is "unchanging", you have a problem.

@ronbyrd1616

3 ай бұрын

Many will perish for lack of knowledge . Those who add to or take away from Gods Word will be held accountable . Etc.

@velkyn1

3 ай бұрын

@@ronbyrd1616 yep, all of the usual nonsense christians spew. And not one can show that their imaginary friend exists.

@velkyn1

3 ай бұрын

@@gracelatour3441 Funny how that's all that any christian has, personal interpretation. It's always so cute when you guys insist that only your version is the truth, and not one of you can show that is true. it's hilarious how you have nothing but a circular argument for your nonsense. Alas, for you cultists, there are many many contradictions in your silly set of books.

What is this biblical sexual ethic you talk of? Is it about how Lot gave his virgin daughters to be gang raped by strangers? Is it about how Levi chopped his concubine in to 12 pieces because she was raped by men? Is it about what the 10th commandment says that women are men's property? I wonder how Alissa and the other lady here would feel if they had to go through this mess we read in the bible. I believe that the sexual ethic found in the bible is not only wrong and evil, it has no place in a civilized society.

@saligia9230

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Do you know the difference between prescription and description? - Womens are men`s property? Yes, and the other way around (1.Cor 7,4). You should use your brain.

Alisa we are not to judge anyone. Period. God is the judge of all things, not us.

@ronbyrd1616

3 ай бұрын

We can however rebuke sin, and make righteous judgements .

There has to be a hell for people we hate. Calling all Pharisees "vipers" is judgment and Jesus told us to not judge.

@Ronday30

Жыл бұрын

Not to judge hypocritically

@phil4_8

Жыл бұрын

No, Jesus did not tell us that. Try reading past “judge not, lest Ye be judged” because Jesus very clearly tells us, not only should we judge, but exactly how we are to do it.

@robertdouglas8895

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@@phil4_8 Yes, He said judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment. So what we see people do is not who they are. We are still created in the likeness of God and don't have the power to change that.

@parabinda

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@@robertdouglas8895 the same reason there is never an eternal hell

@robertdouglas8895

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@@parabinda There is what people want there to be. If you expect your life to be hell, that's what it seems to be.If you expect your afterlife to be hell, that's what it appears to be. It's a dream, a movie we make up as we go along according to our ideas we believe to be true.

With all due respect to this guest how can the Bible be true when even the best of scholars debate what it even means. Moreover do you really think you are going to burn in hell if you question this book that is written so broad and vague it can mean virtually anything. If God wrote out the ten commandments why did he not write and leave you the bible. From a practical view if you research how this book is put together it has gone through thousands of authors, scribes, printers, languages, etc and what is the chance this is correct. Just look at the ending of mark's gospel was added later, look at the famous lady no one would stone...that was also added later...WE HAVE CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF SO MANY CONFLICTING ISSUES who knows what the version you are reading is anywhere close to true. It would be nice if overall this afterlife stuff was true but let's face it this book is a man-made product of antiquity. You need to have some of the best biblical scholars on here from time to time to just provide information what the consensus is on these issues. And remember most of the good scholars are not trying to DE-CONVERT ANYONE, but rather they are just trying to be as historical as they can...Many of them were hard core Christians that only changed their mind AFTER THE EVIDENCE WAS SO OVERWHELMING THEY realized what they were actually looking at....

The reason people have different interpretations is because the Bible is so vague. Also, if a particular moral standard is objectively true, then it is true REGARDLESS of the Bible. In fact the Bible can actually take something true and muddy it up quite a bit.

@Krullerized

Жыл бұрын

The Bible is crystal clear, we just have horrendous modern versions that were written by people who hate christian and want money. You'll find that confusiom disappears with KJV.

@LindeeLove

Жыл бұрын

@@Krullerized That's right it is crystal clear. It makes it clear that you are permitted to buy and sell people from the nations that surround you. You people are working so hard to maintain a delusion. Yahweh is just a character in a book. Accept it.

@Krullerized

Жыл бұрын

@@LindeeLove Not really but the Bible has to deal with the reality of slavery, but the goal is always freeing them

@LindeeLove

Жыл бұрын

@@Krullerized What do you mean not really? Do you disagree with scripture?

@Krullerized

Жыл бұрын

@@LindeeLove Quote me scripture that says we are supposed to enslave others as born again Christians

There is only one meaning but many interpretations.

Each Biblical interpretation is the correct one and all the others are false or mistaken. This is why I accept responsibility for my own thinking and deciding regardless of what scripture says.