There is a movie worth seeing called "Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors". It is based on Hutsul legends and lifestyle.

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

I have seen this movie, I agree it is very good :) recommend it to anyone else who sees this comment.

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

@hulladaemon for you my friend kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJZqqa-Md5XJdbw.html

@sandramorey2529

2 жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes. Fabulous 1964 telling of an old legend from the Hutsul people. Parajanov, the director was sent to a gulag in Siberia for 4 years 11 months for having made this film. The soviets didn't like his telling a story from a people who held themselves as distinct at a time when being distinct was not valued.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

@@sandramorey2529 it's not a legend it's a book written by Ukrainian writer Mykhailo Kotsiubynsky in 1911.

@jakef.7126

9 ай бұрын

@@sandramorey2529 He was punished for many films such as Sayat Nova (Armenia) and Kyiv Frescoes (Ukraine). I love these films and his later film The The Legend of the Suram Fortress (Georgia) after his liberation

Well my parents are hustul and i'm italian, i'm so happy to see somebody who explain the hutsul. Thank you

Last year I've been to Zakarpatia with a group. We visited Ungvár/Uzhorod and I've been to the Skanzen. There were many traditional Rusyn buildings and I really liked the Hutsul one. It was like a little home-fortress covered by a woodden wall. Inside there was a table with hollows carved in it, so they didnt have to use bowls to eat soup but just pour it there. The traditional, wooden Greek Cathloic church was also beautiful.

@lemkowithhistory

4 жыл бұрын

It really is a beautiful place area of the world, and I think Hutsuls especially have a unique culture and history. Even compared to other Rusyns their customs are quite different.

Excellent video!! I'm an Alphorn player from Ohio USA. The Trembita is so similar to the Alphorn

I hope you do every Rusyn group by the end, I enjoy these.

Some Hutsul graphic patterns on dresses, axes, and so on are found in Slovakia too. Mostly in the Carpathian region, there are many similarities, surely due to the cultural connections between all ethnics related to the Carpathian mountains.

@maiskaj6333

3 ай бұрын

In the czech origin story by dalimil he says they came from the land called Croatia, and Hutsuls also have white Croatian heritage

There is an interesting cultural overlap between ukrainian, hutsuls and romanian - especially clothing , music are very ,very similar

@dacicus090

Жыл бұрын

Also Bulgarians. Vlachs used to inhabit most of south slavs present lands and also large areas of south-west Ukraine, parts of Slovakia, South Poland, East Moravia, Pannonia.

@Darkw0lf_lys

Жыл бұрын

In reality the hutsul of romanian and of ukranian are ugual

The black jackets of the hutsuls are very similar in their cutting to the oldest types of balkan outfits and especially the bulgarian ones suggesting the ancient connections between the native enhabitants of eastern Europe.

@dacicus090

Жыл бұрын

Also like some clothes of some aromanian and megleno-romanian populations.

@ionbrad6753

7 ай бұрын

You do not need to go that far south. Just look in the nearby Romanian (Transilvanian, Maramures, Moldovan) villages.

the earliest origin of hutsuls (also called in 1100 AD the huci tribe and later came the romanian -ul ending) is the median busi tribe who were listed by herodot around 450 BC as one of ancient westiranic median tribes, the busae. an oldiranic typicalness of some iranic languages or dialects was that not rarely happened that the bh sound shifted to h sound: busi>husi/huzi>huci & some variations of hutsul in romania are huzule or hutan. herodotus also wrote about the colonists from media called sigunians (shuhani is the main luri dialect and the lurs counts as one of the descendants of the antique medes), they weared median clothing, had many median customs and they themselfes said (to herodot) they are descendants of the medes, so these median colonists sigynians settled sometime between 630 BC and 530 BC in transylvania. so i can bring some proofs/facts/similarities/expainings/theorizations to show the direct connection of proto-hutsuls with the medes, concretely the median busae tribe & the median sigynnian branch who settled in westromania. so genetically hutsuls are in first case a mixture of dacians/vlahs+slavs but from their origin(the old substrat) an iranic median sigynnian people (that means generally to a lesser degree median than dacian or vlahian or slavic but anyway enough genetically and lexicaly median percentage to be considered as a people of iranic/median origin). about when the sigynians came to transylvania exist 2 options, they left their homeland and moved via armenia/turkey to there around 640 BC (the following years after phraortes death when the things get bad for 28 years for the median kingdom because the assyrian-scythian mixed king made phraortes' son kyaxares for this time to a vassal in his own kingdom) or in the time around 540 BC (when the median kingdom collapsed and the persians took over). the historican strabo (who lived 63BC-23AD) wrote about siginians who lived near the south caspian sea (southwest caspia region like gilan & mazandaran & talysh mountains that means the areas where today gilaks, mazandaranis, talishs live), these siginians were the ones who stayed in media and didn't leave like herodot's sigynnes. strabo said about these siginians that in general they practise persians customs and he mentioned like herodot their small horses race which were shaggy long haired flat-nosed/short-snooted ponies that pulled a chariot or cart in a four-horse-team also often driven by women, maybe that small horse race is related to the north-romania carpathian hutul-horses/ponies (but as a newer mixed breeding that possibly originated from the sigynnian horses). where is the connection of the median subbranch of the sigynnes (apollonios wrote them also as sigunnes with u) and the luri people? you can see it in the name of the shughani dialect speakers of the lurs. somewhere i also read that sigynians where described as living alongside with an unknown gaulaki tribe (possibly the gilaks are meant to be them but the source of that statement looks not so proven no idea about that one). but i want go back to the topic with proofs that the hutsuls of the carpathian mountains were in fact of iranic median sigynian origin, the ethnicon itself for example besides the most possible explaining that it comes from the median busi tribe name, has also another 4 theories of it's meaning and etymoligical roots (until today nobody could say or proof what the ethnonym ghucul really means), the 4 other theories what it means are all iranic median =luri/leki/kurd/gilaki/garmsiri/behdinani/balochi cognates: 1. it comes from the gilaki word for "mountain"="qukh"(but in a median dialectical way it is more possible cuz there was in earlier times a between-sound of the letter k & g (like kg) so like gkukh' that leads to ghukh+ul(adjective ending) so the proto-huculian(sigynian-orientated) word/ethnonym would mean "the people from the mountains/mountainous people"(meant are sure the carpathian mountains rather than elburz or talishs mountains in my opinion)=ghukhuls=ghuculs. 2. gilaki word "houz" for "lake" so hutsuls would mean " people who live by the lake" (speculative said maybe it could even be the caspian who counts as the biggest lake of the word or just one of the smaller lakes in the carpathian mountains) 3. garmsiri word (if zarandi dialect counts as garmsiri but it's anyway very close related to garmsirian jirofti or kahnuji or marzigal-bashkerdi dialects) "guch"="ram/ibex/capricorn/battering-ram)mountain-goat" that means guculs are "people associated with rams/got something to do with rams (of the mountains)" 4. gilaki word "ghut" for "immersion" that would mean ghutsul mean "(water)diver/aquanaut" (like i said i see in first case the connection of hucul/huci name with the busi/busai tribe and as the factly most possible explaining of the hutsul-ethnonym). following words are typical hutsulian and have ties to westiranic median descendants' languages(luri,garmsiri,gilaki,laki,etc.): an interessting exclusive huculian word (that is not to be found in ukrainian language) with etymological ties to neo-median(luri/gilaki/balochi/kurdi/behdinani/bashkardi) cause it sounds related to these two gilaki words by meaning "hooz"(lake/pond) & "ghut"(immersion/diving) is huculian word "ghuk" and means "waterfall" so connected with watermasses/lake/diving somehow. another exclusive huculian word (not found in ukrainian language) is "kootüga" and means "dog" while in the luri language "katu" is "dog" these words are really close and belong to median dialects in origin, besides that word for dog, in the luri and in the median language there is a second word for dog it's median "spak" but if you think again about the dialectical typicalness of earlier times with the k/g between-sound you can say "sphagk" shows the dialectical changing in the luri word "sag"(also meaning dog) where the p was fallen away but still you can consider it as of median origin. a huculian word (not in ukrainian language again) for "farm-animals/domestic-animals/livestock-animals" is "marga" what you can compare to the luri & gilaki word "morg" for "chicken/hen/rooster" what sure is etymologicaly related with the hutsulian marga. a typical ukrainian word what means untypical for the other slavic languages (what could really possibly be borrowed by ukrainians from the carpatian regions where hutsuls live) is the word "gharny"="great" which can be compared to the garmsirian bashkardi word "gohrt"="big" but not so sure about that one, better would be to see the balochi word "shar"="good" as of same origin/roots with the ukrainian "harny/gharny"="great/good/amazing", and there is another word that is only typical for ukraine "khata"="house" what shares the same origin/meaning like the yazdi-behdinani word "khäda/khda"="house". one last word is huculian "bardka" for "axe" while in the "modern-zoroastrian" behdinani/gabri language (spoken by the behdinan people in yazdi dialect) "barda" is translated as "spade"(maybe including spade-chissel and trenching-spade) these two words are surely related, also in the luri language exists the word "bard" but it means "stone" but it could be anyway etymologically connected to these behdanian and huculian words and even to the word "bronze". the proto-hutsul ethnos was surely formed in the maramures region and some bordering north-transilvania areas/northwest-romania where the sigynians sometime between 100-500 AD mixed with the surrounding dacian population & vlahian shepherds (you can see the hutsul has also from vlahian shepherds' something mixed in their culture/clothing/hats) and a bit later came the slavic component(tiverians & whitecroats) in their ethnogenesis but it was either so that they stretched out their territory more wider out to the north namely ivano-frankivsk, zakarpatia, chirnivcy regions of southern-west ukraine or these 2 slavic tribes came down after 600 AD and mixed with the daco-vlaho-sigynian proto-huculs in the bordering areas (south)ivanofrankivsk/chirnivtsy, at that time proto-hutsuls were possibly already romanized or i would better said nearly/not complete romanized by language. sigunnians had 2000 years ago surely 2 median identities: the word siguni has to be the same as the name shuhani (what means one of the main dialects of lur people) so it's showed their median subbranch language-identity, but the other identity was the tribe-identity the word that would later become the ethnicon hucul that means they had seen themselfes as belonging to the husi/huzi/huci tribe what is a dialectical changing of the word busi, means the origin of the huculs can really might be the median busae tribe. the last thing i wanna say about the sigynians what herodot thought about what their ethnonym could be, that name he used to detonate as "spear" or on the other hand to associate it with "traders"(or "hucksters") but he just speculated and didn't know for sure

Would you be able to provide a link to his youtube channel in the description? Also, what is the song used in the very beginning of the video?

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

It's an old Rusyn choir song, when I have some time I'll find it. A link to Myhal's channel is on my "Channels" tab. Should be the first one at the top with a black and white picture of him.

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

The choir song is this one kzread.info/dash/bejne/aHqI3NlwdMSZZqw.html

@crosmanchallenger1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemkowithhistory Thank you!!

Hi have you been in Sanok skansen museum of lemkos boykos and other Rusin groups living in carpatia. Its shown ther houses, culture, tools they used, churches all 1to 1 oryginal, in pen air. Im from Sanok I would love to show you all of this. Regards pawel

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

I have not, but would love to see it.

Modern Hutsuls consider themselves as Ukrainians. Many of them are Ukrainian nationalists) Днишні гуцули чюютси українцєма. Богато з них сут україньскі наційоналїсти)

@raul9648

2 жыл бұрын

Because of Indoctrination and persecution of Rusyns by the ukrainian government.

@blackraven596

2 жыл бұрын

@@raul9648 no. Hutsul dialect strictly differs from Rusyn Language or its dialects and belongs to Galician group of dialects. Hutsuls came to Subcarpatia from Galicia in 17 age. Moreover, even in Subcarpathian Rus Hutsuls were mostly pro-Ukrainian.

@raul9648

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackraven596 Most of their culture is the same as the ones of Romanians and many of their words are romanian too, This theory of Galician origins is thus impossible and absurd. They are Either Slavicised Vlachs, a mix of slavs and Vlachs or slavicised Dacians, or probably a bit of all of them.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

@@raul9648 that means that Romanian hutsults are of Slavic origin and belong more to Ukraine than to Romania speaking genetically. Romanian authorities made them think they are Romanians, but in reality, they are eastern Slavic people basically Ukrainians.

Гуцули вважають себе і гуцулами і українцями одночасно.

this is just I wanted to see, duje faino

does someone know exactly in the case if a hutsul was back then in stalin's time sended to live in kazakhstan does that mean that his patents were benderovtsi or not necessary?

Hey man I want to do a collab with you lol, about the Lemko Land in Poland and its history~ Wanna have a try? I am new and I love your content!!! :)

pozdrav brakja od Makedonski slavjanin

I know polish highlander aren’t rusyn but is there a connection between the two ?

@eava708

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they have similar cultures, songs and costumes, they are Slavs and "adjacent" to each other

@alexpaul6054

Жыл бұрын

Gorals are old Valahians/ Romanian

@Darkw0lf_lys

Жыл бұрын

Yea, some hutsul have origin from poland

I’m part hutsul, from the diaspora. Around 1919 I believe.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

which diaspora? Do you still practice any hutsul traditions?

are bthey rusyns? are not those the czechs and slovacs call as vlachs?

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

Bthey?

well, Hutsuls are not really Rusyns and they were the last slavs that arrived to the Carpathian mountains around 500 years ago. They have no real connection with the rest of the Rusyns except of the Transcarpathia. But otherwise a good video.

@And7Rus

4 жыл бұрын

They are RUSYNS ! They are highlanders of our Counciliar RUTHENIA!

@hannibalbarca9238

3 жыл бұрын

@@And7Rus You can call them fleas. That's what you want.

@And7Rus

3 жыл бұрын

Whatever one thinks, whatever one looks for... Nonetheless, LORD calls to TRUTH only by the wisdom of the counciliarity: RUTHENIAn root is one as monolithic tree SEQUOIA, wich growed in CARPATHIAns till 1912 A.D. Let all the emperias go away and disappear - RUSYNS will again unite in the deep grand-grand-grand-children!!! Boykos, Lemkos and Gutsuls are one root - therefore, Love is powerful and fruitful more than newlyweake speculations of some globalized scientists! For these marvelous miracles we are grateful: carpat.in.ua/?p=3282

@And7Rus

3 жыл бұрын

@@alekshukhevych2644, they are not so numerous, but they are old and historically closer to the GLAGOLITSA - our primordial writing of the whole SLAVONIC tribes! We have a deep hope to praise a solemn renewal of this ancient pra-linguistic bridge between the SANSKRIT and KYRYLYTSYA: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e39syruOldDRlKQ.html + kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHWOubOiZ5qXn5M.html

White Croats

might as well say everyone living in western ukraine is rusyn lol

Vlach pride worldwide

My ancestors are hutsuls from Carlibaba, Romania. All of my family looks like native romanians. Most of hutsul personalities that i read about, saw, met look like romanians and do not consider themsels ukrainians or slavs. I have been to Pocutia in Ukraine. People look more like slavs(blonde, blue eyes, typical face) from Ikano-Frankivsk city to the north. South of it most of the ethnic hutsuls look like us, romanians. I know that the xenophobic ucrainian state consider all their minorities as imigrant(except of greeks from Melitopol), and deny any proof of romanian origin or large influence of so called slavic populations from Pocutia, Maramures and west Transcarpathia.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

your statement is false. Hutsuls have nothing to do with Romanians. They are Ukrainian sub-ethnos with some admixture of Thracians and Celts which were assimilated by eastern Slavic tribes. Educate yourself on Ukrainian anthropology and history before writing such ignorant nonsense.

@dacicus090

Жыл бұрын

@@ivans.1501 Your antropolgy is written agains reality just to suit your slavic propaganda. Most of west ukrainians don look at all like slavs, many of your traditions are ancient dacian/vlach customs and culture. Costumes, food, objects, some words, way of living, construction methods. And hutsuls dont speak ukrainian, is a different slavic language.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

@@dacicus090 the things is that slavs look different in different countries because they use to be parts of different slavic tribes that might have been mixed with other mostly local tribes that were conquered by Slavic migration. For example, Serbs are Slavic and nobody denies that, but they don't look like Polish or Ukrainians. Because slavs that came to Balcans mixed with local tribes. So the same thing with northern Russians - they are blond and look more like finish because they mixed with local finish tribes. The same thing happened in Ukrainian Carpathians. Slavs came there mostly White Horvat tribes and mixed with local Thracians and Celts. So the Thracian ancestry might be similar to Romanians, but that doesn't mean they are Romanians or Romanians are Ukrainians just because there are quite a lot of Slavic DNA in Romanians - please read about R1a haplogroup. We share the same ancestry and that's it. Btw hutsuls speak Ukrainian it's just a remote dialect of it ask any hutsul about it. I'm not hutsul, but I understand it perfectly and even the words that are different from normal Ukrainian could be understood because they are of Slavic origin.

@dacicus090

Жыл бұрын

@@ivans.1501 no we dont look like slavs, balts and fino-ugrics. Less that 10% of romanians are blonde with blue eyes. And slavs evolved from balts, baltic people are even now mostly blonde with blue eyes. Slavs invaded our lands plus germanic, greek, albanians, italian regions. You cannot claim ancient origin or lands. Is absurd.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

@@dacicus090 please educate yourself on your people and then can come back to the discussion. Haplogroup R1a is pretty common among Romanians and is about 15% of Romanian ancestry it means that Dacians mixed with eastern Slavic tribes. Here's the resource for you to read. And Slavs didn't come from Balts too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanians

Hutsuly are not Lemko region people. Not Carpato Russians. They are Ukrainians.

Hutsuls are Vlachs/Romanians. Partially they lived in Slavic areas but they are not Slavs. According to Polish and Slovak historians, Hutsuls, Lemkos and Gorals have old Romanian origin.

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

They literally speak an east slavic language, you have no idea what you are talking about, same with Lemkos. We have a lot of vlach ancestry but that does not make us romanian.

@mariuszlech9173

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemkowithhistory Carpatorusini are genetically diverse. Since the mountains are difficult terrain to settle, there have been several waves of settlement. The last of them was the settlement of Wallachian shepherds. That is why there are so many Ruthenian dialects in this area. Lemkos in Poland, who live in the Low Beskids, speak a language so much different from the rest of the Carpathian Rusyns that their dialect for Poles is 95 percent understandable. It's harder to grate Silesians.

@vikingfarts1350

2 жыл бұрын

@@lemkowithhistory It's your Pan-Slav agenda to distance Hutsul culture and others from Romanians.

@dacicus090

Жыл бұрын

@@lemkowithhistory But you dont look like slavs. You cannot deny this. Your traditions also are more romanian than slavic. Slavs are native to Polesia not the Carpathians. Ok?

@dacicus090

Жыл бұрын

@@vikingfarts1350 Pan-Slavs are very much against any native people as romanians/vlachs, italians, albanians, greeks, germans, balts(their parents actually).

Hutsuls are Moldovans

So they are in Ucraine and Romania, but they have a deputy in Romania, none in Ucraine! Wonder why?!

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

Ukraine does not recognize Rusyns as a distinct people sadly.

@hannibalbarca9238

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemkowithhistory Luckily, Uncle Putin still whips Ukrainians from time to time.

@rusynhatefakes5584

3 жыл бұрын

Ukraine has different laws compare to Romania, so we don't have any special election rights for minorities -- general rules for all citizens. Also, we don't have any official list of nationalities of parliament deputies, so you should check the nationality of each of the deputy separately on the internet if such information exists. For example one deputy from one part of the Hutsul region uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%86%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%87%D1%83%D0%BA_%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B9_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 For other deputies use Google. The same for Zakarpattya or other Ukrainian regions.

@ovidiug7634

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemkowithhistory As a matter of fact, they do not recognize the Romanians from Bucovina and the Historical Maramures either. They probably don't recognize any minority.

@blackraven596

3 жыл бұрын

Because modern Hutsuls consider themselves as Ukrainians

Hutzuls are not Slavs. They are what is left from the Goths. Gothul/ Hutzul. Trembita is Romanian " trambitza"..

They are romanians! Romanians lost their nord and nord-west teritories after WW2 .The now border between Ukraine and Romania was a Romanian teritory.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

No, they are not. They are Ukrainians. Ask any hutsul about it.

@ionbrad6753

7 ай бұрын

Mixed. Language is close to Ukrainian; clothing, traditions, looks - are clearly Romanian. Could be Slavicised Romanians .. but I might be biased by my own identity as well (Moldovan Romanian).

They are descendants of a free Dacian tribe.

Who are the Hutsuls? They are denationalized Romanians like the "Vlachs'' from Moravia, like the gorals from Poland, like the Volohs from Ukraine. And how now it's trying to denationalize the Romanians from Serbia, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Greece, Montenegro, etc.

@alco2758

5 ай бұрын

they are not trying, they are doing it and quite successfully I might add...

First Serbian mystical home is Boyka or white Serbia before came on Balkan and mix with native people !

@lemkowithhistory

3 жыл бұрын

I have heard of this too. Interesting connection.

@TheDovahkiin97

3 жыл бұрын

@@waaasteee sadly the land of the celtic bohemian boiiki tribe has no connection to the boykos. It has to the modern word bohemia tho.

@waaasteee

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDovahkiin97 Boii not Boiiki tribe !

@TheDovahkiin97

3 жыл бұрын

@@waaasteee yeah sry. Constantine called it Boiiki because of the Boii tribe.

@waaasteee

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDovahkiin97 Aha and what more say Constantine ? The Serbs are descended from the unbaptized Serbs, also called 'white', who live beyond Turkey in a place called by them Boiki, where their neighbour is Francia, as is also Great Croatia ?!

They are like Romanians, only speaking an East Slavic dialect. Their music, their faces and their culture are roughly the same only with a BIT larger Slavic influence than usual... There is no proof their ancestors were Romance speakers, so probably they descend from slavicized Dacians

@papaszem44

3 жыл бұрын

bullshit

@hannibalbarca9238

3 жыл бұрын

Finally a rational answer.

@Prosto_Yura

Жыл бұрын

Слов'яни,які перейняли елементи румунської культури. І музика у них своя,унікальна.

@ivans.1501

Жыл бұрын

you're right they're slavicized local Thracian and Celts tribes. But that doesn't mean they are Romanians. Those tribes weren't Romanians. They were Thracians mostly that already were there when slavs came. So they mixed and created a unique subgroup of people with mostly slavic ancestry that later became Ukraine. Nowadays hutsuls consider themselves 100% Ukrainians.

@luciangabrielpopescu

Жыл бұрын

@@ivans.1501 this is the truth... seeing more hutsuls i think they are half half whereas romanians are only 1/4 slavic