As we know most of our rail infrastructure was built at a loss. But at least it was built. Still upset about today's cancellation news. Total lack of vision. 😢

@mysterium368

9 ай бұрын

Wait, what was cancelled?

@cedractu

9 ай бұрын

@@mysterium368 The HS2 link between Manchester and Birmingham.

@mcarp555

9 ай бұрын

@@mysterium368 HS2.

@hairyairey

9 ай бұрын

@@mysterium368 HS2 to Manchester.

@thisiszaphod

9 ай бұрын

Aside from the heritage railway, who are always on the earhole, we have no railway service or stations at all in West Somerset. This basic infrastructure is sorely needed here.

Reading Bengali is quite easy, you just look at whatever is written in English above it and that should give you a pretty good idea of what the Bengali writing says. Hope this helps.

@JagoHazzard

8 ай бұрын

LINGUISTS HATE THIS ONE WEIRD TIP!

@joshfenton5522

4 күн бұрын

@@JagoHazzard (But they can't stop you from using it)!

For those interested, the poster in Yiddish translates to: East London Railway Cheap Prices Crystal Palace Excursions Third class train return fare Including entrance fee to the Palace. In a day when you pay 1 shilling transport, the ticket will cost just 1 shilling and 6 pence. Shoreditch Brick Lane, Whitechapel E.L. and Shadwell Watney Street. Kids under 12 are ½ price.

Love these ELL ones. I was for a period the Permanent Way Manager on there. The most amazing thing that only track people would know is when you are in the Brunel Tunnel at night when it is really quiet (lines under Engineering possession of course), you can hear the props of boats on the Thames as they pass above you.

@leopoldbluesky

9 ай бұрын

That would freak me out I think!

@worldcomicsreview354

9 ай бұрын

Apparently in the most distant galleries of old coastal coal and tin mines you could hear the tide moving rocks around above you. I bet that sounded weird. A lot of those old galleries are probably still there too, if flooded and maybe partly collapsed.

@johnmurray8428

9 ай бұрын

I wonder if say Blackwall or Rotherhive experience that? It would be interesting to find out about the Penn rail tunnel or Holland tunnel etc under the Hudson in NYC. Thank you for this bit of info, I am fascinated by the idea of that. 11:47

@filanfyretracker

8 ай бұрын

@@johnmurray8428 The bores themselves are 93ft below "Mean high water level". the Amtrak tunnels are 100ft and Wikipedia has the depth of the shipping channel as 52ft so 48ft of mud above the tunnel and in some places the solid granite bedrock of Manhattan. I suspect the Hudson tunnels are all pretty deep because the river there is part of NY Harbor so much bigger ships than the Thames in London. challenge of course in the Holland Tunnel as well is even if you could hear a propeller that far under, you would never hear it over the ventilation. if Gateway ever gets built we may yet get to find out about the Amtrak tunnels because Gateway would allow the old Penn tunnels to finally be shut down for either retirement or renovation due to being in constant service for over 100 years. they run 24 trains an hour under the river. There is also two PATH tunnels and the Lincoln Tunnel. NYC has done a lot of digging in its past. Perhaps the most interesting thing then is that the city has more tunnels than bridges to cross that river. PATH is a commuter line "Port Authority Trans-Hudson". The Penn tunnels carry Amtrak and NJ Transit.

Fun Fact: Joseph Merrick the 'Elephant Man' was exhibited for public viewing in a 'freak Shop' more or less directly opposite Whitechapel Station, by a showman, one Tom Norman. It was in this 'Freak Shop' - yes, that's what these establishments were called - that Dr. Frederick Treves ''discovered' Merrick. The rest is, as they say, history. The actual Freak Shop building still survives to this day, in case you are interested. Today it sells sarees rather than exhibiting freaks.

@julianaylor4351

9 ай бұрын

The John Hurt black and white film, The Elephant Man used the tangle of platform footbridges that used to exist inside Liverpool Street Station.

@luxford60

9 ай бұрын

UK Saree Centre, not opposite the station, it's on the same side of the road a couple of doors down.

@MarkyFormula1

9 ай бұрын

​@@luxford60indeed. Opposite would be the hospital but i'd imagine the elephant man would have had to visit the hospital a few times in his life.

@shazanali692

9 ай бұрын

The bigger question here is who was jack the ripper

@kelvinhill9874

9 ай бұрын

@@MarkyFormula1merrick actually lived in an apartment built for him inside the hospital.

11min about Whitechapel and Jack has not been mentioned once, congratz.

@mrjoneseastend

9 ай бұрын

Nor the 'Twins'.

@thomasburke2683

9 ай бұрын

It was a ripping tale!

The bell foundry no longer exists, it shut a few years ago. Also (and this is pedantic, I do acknowledge that) bells are made from an alloy of copper and tin, i.e. bronze, not brass which is copper and zinc. But it's cool that they acknowledged it in the station design all the same.

POV:When the underground is the overground

@TalesOfWar

9 ай бұрын

I believe more of the Overground runs underground than the Underground lol.

@katrinabryce

9 ай бұрын

And the overground is underground.

Now I know not only the little bit of pub trivia, but also the long history of its occurrence!

I love that you used the verb "smushed". To any US viewers, in the UK this does not mean to have sex, as it does in your country. The two stations may be interconnected, but they don't have intercourse. 😂

@Sophiebryson510

9 ай бұрын

It means sex in America? I love that word!

@ayindestevens6152

9 ай бұрын

@@TheBadLieutenantyup and I’ve stayed near there.

@FranziskaNagel445

9 ай бұрын

If you build a concourse between two stations is it an intercourse?

@ZGryphon

9 ай бұрын

If the sex definition is used in the US, it must be a regional thing in some region I've never lived in, because I've only ever heard it in the same sense you claim for the UK. Although we usually spell it "smooshed" to reflect the slightly different vowel pronunciation.

@plaws0

9 ай бұрын

@@ZGryphonYeah, I've never heard it defined that way, either, and spelling doesn't seem to change the meaning on the left side of the Atlantic ... But it's clear that the two stations _were_ smushed together.

Before the recent rebuild was finished and the Elizabeth line opened, the old metal poles holding up the shelter above the platforms would ring like bells when you hit them. Each one produced a slightly different tone as I walked by striking them with my plastic key fob. I often wondered if this was intended to be an allusion to the bell foundry but never found anything to that effect (though in my opinion, it would have been a far better tribute than what we see in 9:19). Alas, I can’t find them anymore so I think they’ve been removed…

@comicus01

8 ай бұрын

Probably just naturally occurred that way. The tone it would make would depend on the exact length of the pole, the thickness of the metal, probably how well it's anchored, etc. I doubt the quality control was such that they were all exactly identical.

@hb1338

8 ай бұрын

For what it's worth, the ring tone (resonant frequency) of a long pole like that is extremely low, so what you heard was probably the strike tone, which is due to the percussive effect of one hard object against another.

St Mary's curve used to run between Shadwell on the East London Railway and Aldgate East on the District and then Metropolitan (now Hammersmith & City) lines, it once had a regular through service, but latterly was used for empty stock movements. A railtour, using the Cravens 1960 Stock train, was run over the curve before it was decommissioned as part of the Overground conversion.

@IanPhillipsWildlife

9 ай бұрын

You beat me too it, they couldn't do major repairs at New Cross so used to take the A stock up to Neasden

@asdaneedsfunds

8 ай бұрын

The curve was problematic, as an incident revealed that in certain circumstances there wasn't actually room to have two trains passing one another. From that point onwards only one train was allowed in the curve at a time.

Thanks for the earworm Jago....I'm now... Underground overground, Wombling free....🎶😆 There is a modern option, take the Metropolitan to Barbican and then get a Thameslink ticket to Brighton.

It seems like only yesterday when at various times I worked or lived in New Cross, Rotherhithe, and Hackney. I was always fascinated by St Mary's Curve which you could see from the train in the dark, and also the architecture visible from Whitechapel platforms (I always thought about Jack The Ripper when looking up at the old brickwork). I figure if I went back now, some 35 years later, I wouldn't recognise any of it.

During the 1970s, when I made my first visit to London, the ELL to the south of Whitechapel wasn't shown on tube maps in exactly the same way as the rest of the Metropolitan Line, Jago - not least because the short section between Whitechapel and Shoreditch only ran at peak times and on Sunday mornings. Known as the East London Section, the rest of the line to the south of Whitechapel was shown in the same purple colour as the Metropolitan Line, but as an open line that was sometimes shown with a white central stripe, rather than the solid Metropolitan purple line. It was however obvious to anyone that used it that it was operationally part of the Metropolitan, as the trains were four-car A60/62 stock with driving cars at each end; and while a small depot existed at New Cross, the St Mary's Curve remained open for empty stock movements... Off-peak, it ran at an interval of no more than ten minutes, which was achieved using six half-sets, with a seventh that usually sat at Whitechapel as a spare, that was also used when the service to Shoreditch was running. It was as you say largely a forgotten backwater - until Fleet Street started to relocate to Wapping during the 1980s, where the extremely narrow platforms became an immediate issue at peak times.

I made a real fast trip to London last week and had a walk from Whitechapel to Shoreditch. Visited the old Shoreditch station, as I always do when nearby. Such a pity that this is not used for anything...😢

I think there should be a separate video about construction of the tunnel. There is a great story behind.

@Mikeper94

8 ай бұрын

Search for 'The Thames Tunnel: Can You Dig It?' - Jago already has a video about it

Strange to think that the stations were in use at the time of Jack the Ripper.

I thought you'd actually broken into the theme tune of "The Wombles" at the start of this video! "Underground, Overground, Wombling free... "

I occasionally used the East London line in 'Metropolitan' days, when you could get to travel on some antique items of rolling stock, such as the clerestory roofed G-Stock. Trains were only every minutes which was an irritation. Better than trains in much of south London, though, which - as today - mostly ran half-hourly.

The Underground is over the overground. The overground is under the underground. I bet they are still wombling free.

The brunel museum is worth a visit if you're near wapping or Rotherhithe

@geirmyrvagnes8718

9 ай бұрын

If I understand this correctly, the Overground actually still uses the original Brunel (senior) tunnel that was the very first tunnel under the Thames?

@hoosiersands

9 ай бұрын

@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Yes it does-it was part of the Metropolitan's East London Line as stated in the video. The station at Wapping has, *perhaps*, the narrowest platforms on the Overground (and possibly the Underground)

@geirmyrvagnes8718

9 ай бұрын

@@hoosiersands Sounds like a few hours of quite interesting stuff in the general area next time I am in London. 😄

@kgbgb3663

9 ай бұрын

@@hoosiersands I think the comma spoilt your bold text! The first asterisk has to follow a space and the second has to be followed by a space for the code to work. _This will be in italic._ _This won't_. *This will be bold.* *This won't*. -This will be crossed out.- -This won't-.

@englishciderlover7347

9 ай бұрын

@@hoosiersands Clapham Common and Clapham North also have dangerously narrow platforms. Whether they're narrower than Wapping's platforms, I'm not sure.

The Brunel Museum is worth a visit for anyone who wants to know more about the tunnel under The Thames.

@malthuswasright

8 ай бұрын

Shortly before it reopened as part of the Overground pedestrians were allowed back into the tunnel to walk it one last time before trains were reintroduced. It was fantastic to walk through and see the details of the building.

Great video Jago. Whitechapel is one of my favourite underground (and overground) stations, such a rich offering of historic and contemporary railway architecture. Also; the best place to begin a Jack the Ripper walk and explore the culture, history and pubs in the local area.

8:42 Jago, that's a brilliant photo of the Underground going over the Overground, but it still has the construction site on it. If you could see your way clear to capturing this scene as it now is at some point, that would be a superb photo!

The Hammersmith & City Line used to turn around at Whitechapel on what looked like the East-Bound platform. The number of times I sent people to Aldgate East by accident was too bloomin' high. Also, at the London Transport Museum, they had a replica A Stock cab with a drivers-eye video of the St Mary's curve from Shadwell to Aldgate East. Which was pretty neat.

@jimmyedwards1639

3 ай бұрын

In the days when H&C services only went to Barking in the peaks.

As the proud owner of a model railway in the 60's and 70's it always appeared to me that New Cross and New Cross Gate was where the transformer was connected.

West Hampstead! Just west of West Hampstead station the Overground crosses Under the Underground

@sssdddkkksss

9 ай бұрын

And you can get a good view, if you go to Iverson Road park during the winter

As you travel west just after you leave Whitechapel on the District/Hammersmith & City line looking left you can see the entrance to St Mary’s curve and then the boarded up platforms of St. Mary’s station

Another fine production, Mr H. Thank you!

More underground is overground

Jago. You are prolific! Despite that the video content (research) and quality continues to be top notch! Great work as always!

Hi Jago from Spain. Yet another interesting wander around some of the less well known parts of London's transport infrastructure. Thank you.

Where 55% of London Underground stations are actually OVER ground

I'm coming to London in late February, and I am going to visit Whitechapel famous sites. You video gave me some excellent talking points in the pubs in the evening 😊

Just north of Farringdon Station, the tracks serving the Metropolitan, Hammersmith & City and Circle Lines, pass over the Thameslink tracks. The Hammersmith & City Line crosses (most of) the main line out of Paddington on a high viaduct before dropping down to join it at Royal Oak.

My friend who lives in England is closer to the DLR than Whitechapel, but I find Bank tedious, so Whitechapel has become sort of a home station for me in London. So I was excited to see a video about it, and even more excited when it turned out to be one of the most interesting Jago's done. I actually thought the ending was beautiful.

Always brilliant Jago. You should do another bus vid soon

Incidentally, I work here and, after dark, the outside of this station is one of the most unpleasant places in London.

@englishciderlover7347

9 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, plenty of places in London aren't even pleasant even during daylight.

People... people who need people... connect at Whitechapel, the luckiest people connector in the world. Nah. :) Wonderful vid as always, Jago!

It was my home station for a year and I loved it. So many connections and the recent renovations really make it an enjoyable place to travel to and from. :)

Overground, underground, wombling free… I did enjoy this topsy-turvy tale from the tube! 😀

The station has improved out of sight from my memory of the Tube back in the eighties. On either Metropolitan/District lines, nobody got on or off, there was an audible drip of water, and the place was literally illuminated by a single, bare pendant light bulb.

Simply brilliant, thank you!

Another educational gem Jago, ending & all! Cheers!

I was at the Overground platforms at Whitechapel the other day and I noticed that on top of the name Whitechapel high on the wall they still got some of the original orange stripes from the east london underground line

9:53 "Large immigrant community" says he as person with matching kilt, socks and garters strides past. I love the timing!

Always wondered about the Underground/Overground irony at Whitechapel. Learnt something new about it today.

I was there 2 weeks ago...a nice reminder of my day on the railways...thanks Jago!

I love your videos, so informative and, you make me giggle. ❤

'Underground, Overground...' but without the Wombles, as we're at the east end of the District Line, and to my favourite London Underground quiz question, which you mention is pretty well-known (thanks Jago). You have packed so much info into this video. Maybe some travellers have spotted that if you're on a westbound District or Hammersmith and City train leaving Whitechapel, you can see a tunnel opening as the train you're on travels towards Aldgate East. I guess that's the St. Mary's tunnel curving towards what is now the Overground track. I'm not sure if you can see this tunnel opening oa eastbound train going from Aldgate East to Whitechapel. Interesting to mention the District Railway's connection to the London, Tilbury and Southend Railway, given the disused platforms on the current C2C line, which you can see at Bromley-by-Bow, Plaistow, Upton Park, East Ham, Becontree, and one of the Dagenham stations, if I'm correct. Just coincidentally, at which stations does the Overground go over the Overground? I think you can answer, at the Hackney Central / Hackney Downs interchange, and at Willesden Junction. Any other locations?

You used to be able to film a underground train over a overground train, if you were patient enough, before the did the station upgrades

Careful pub quizzers - this is not the only place where the over goes under the under.

@1258-Eckhart

9 ай бұрын

Apparently also Bollo Lane near South Acton Overground (which even goes under a Deep Tube line).

@kgbgb3663

9 ай бұрын

I think it's the only one where it happens at a station, so you get signs telling pedestrians to go _up_ to the underground and _down_ to the overground. If I'm wrong, I'd love to know. (West Hampstead is a near miss because the stations are separate and not at all "smushed". You have to go out and along the road to get from one to the other.)

Wonderfully erudite and interesting as usual, Jago. Thank you!

It was a great ending Jago. Such as small line, with such an intense amount of history. Great stuff! 👍

Whitechapel station has changed a lot since the Elizabeth Line (previously Crossrail) was built and the station was redeveloped. With the London Overground East London Line and London Underground Hammersmith & City and District Lines both serving Whitechapel station. And the East London Line is below the District and H&C Lines.

Thanks for another cracking vlog very interesting and informative 😊

Goodness JH, the history of Whtechapel station has as many twists and turns as an Agatha Christie novel.

Yes, the Metropolitan Line in east London - I was always confused / wondering about that.

My local station!! Love it

Great video, I used to go through Whitechapel daily on the District, occasionally changing trains for the East London there. In those days the latter was a gloomy prospect though it was still using the glorious 1938 stock. When alighting at Wapping I always wondered why there was a continual sound of running water on the platform . . .

My understanding is that the St Mary's Curve is still there albeit single-track (it was always tight) unelecrified and locked out of use.

Millwall football trains used to run on the District line to and from Surrey Quays, presumably if Fulham or Chelsea were playing there. I was lucky to ride one from Surrey Quays that was not busy, as the game had gone into extra time, but no one had delayed the specials.

I remember Whitechapel metropolitan east london line with district line Q stock, and Whitechapel district line above with metropolitan co cp stock on Hammersmith and city service. And i did see a passenger excursion going through whitechapel east london line pulled by a diesel loco, about 1965! And at wapping, the wooden stair treads up to the booking hall were the original stairs used by those Victorians when it was a foot tunnel. There was also a lift, going up, which was manually operated by a lift operator

I'm dismayed to discover that Mr. Hazard is a "rugged outlaw" type. A respectable citizen like myself can't be associated with such a ruffian I'm afraid.

@ThatGeezer

9 ай бұрын

From his name, I'd always assumed he was a highwayman: the son of a senior East India Company officer, forced into a life of crime after being expelled from school for smuggling women of negotiable affection into the dorm.

in the 80s and early 90s you could see the old Shoreditch station ( and the old link to Liverpool street - then an empty track bed ) ijust as you were arriving into Liverpool street on the east side and were sat with your back to the engine ! Blink and you would miss it !

@norbitonflyer5625

8 ай бұрын

You still can

@Sam_Green____4114

8 ай бұрын

@@norbitonflyer5625 Yes but then the station was still open and being used by underground trains

And don't miss the splendid Wall art at Whitechapel liz Station

As a Canadian who has never been to London, I have no idea where anything is, so did need to be told such and such place isn’t a seaside resort. 😅

@julianaylor4351

9 ай бұрын

We do now have urban beaches in the summer, at various locations as well as travelling fairs, that have been around for years. The nearest seaside resorts to London, are in Essex, Sussex and Kent. As a Londoner, may I recommend Southend and Brighton, both easy and cheap to get to, if you ever decide to come to England.

@eattherich9215

9 ай бұрын

@@julianaylor4351: until 1971, you could go to the beach below Tower Bridge. It was finally closed on health grounds because of the state of the Thames.

@julianaylor4351

9 ай бұрын

@@eattherich9215 My late father was born in Brixton in 1931 and would go there as a child.

@chrisamies2141

8 ай бұрын

@@eattherich9215 you can still go to the beach near the Tate Modern I believe.

@julianaylor4351

8 ай бұрын

@@chrisamies2141 There is one at Brent Cross Shopping Centre with a funfair.

Hello, took my time to watch as I was in mainland China, but well worth the wait.

That was a very intense video. Mouthfuls of information to digest. I found it very interesting.

Your list of railway companies (1:52 - 2:04) puts me in mind of the spoken introduction to Louis Jordan's wonderful 'Texas and Pacific': "I know you heard of the Chattanooga Choo Choo The Rock Island, the New York Central, the New Haven and Hartford, The Pennsylvania, the Missouri Pacific, the Southern Pacific, The Northern Pacific is terrific - Oh, but Jack, you heard of the IC and the Santa Fe, But you gotta take a ride on the TP!"

Another lovely piece. Thanks Jago, I must visit it to see the “Johnston-ish” typeface. Moray

The Overground goes under the Underground - oh ok!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂

The cable racks on the side of ( some of ) the stations ( in your video ) are AWESUMM ( ? ) ..... DAVE™🛑

Haha the ending was perfect! 🔥

I like how they've managed to get nearly an entire wall filled with horizontal cabling and pipework.

Another good slice of interesting cake. Well done Jago.

Great video sir!

i was waiting for this one-

It's fun to walk the Greenwich Foot Tunnel under The Thames. Mudshute DLR station near one end, and Geenwich DLR not too far from the other end (with the Old Royal Naval College as a bonus). I think that there's quite a few people who don't realise you can walk under The Thames. It's not a Brunel build though, it was opened in 1902.

The overground goes under the underground 4 times I think. Whitechapel is the only station but it also passes under the district and Piccadilly lines just west of Chiswick Park and two branches pass under the metropolitan line at Northwick Park and west hampstead

Coincidentally Whitechapel is also where the Underground is over the Overground

@kgbgb3663

8 ай бұрын

I'm not sure that that's a coincidence🤔

When at about 4:08 Jago you showed a map that had a station called Mark Lane, which I've never heard of before. Any chance you could include more details of this in a subsequent video ? 😎

@hublanderuk

9 ай бұрын

Jago has done a video on this about the Tower of London Station

@stephenpegum9776

9 ай бұрын

@@hublanderuk Thanks a lot - I'll look out for that very soon 👍

Most of the trains from Hammersmith via Shepherds Bush which reversed at Whitechapel were extended to Barking. When the Metropolitan Railway electrified the East London Line it ran many through trains between Hammersmith and New Cross The Southend Corridor Express through trains were withdrawn in 1939, as a direct consequence of the start of WW2

"Connections" is good. Suits your style and ethos. I should go with it.

Alternatively video title: How to confuse a Womble...

Connections! It's all about CONNECTIONS!!! Don't you see??? 😀

@jaakkomantyjarvi7515

9 ай бұрын

Brian: You're all connected! Tube lines: YES! WE'RE ALL CONNECTED! W&C: I'm not.

I'm in the underground, I'm in the overground, I'm in the underground overground.

I cannot recall the District Terminating at Whitechapel as a normal thing - did it offically change in the time table ? It was the main terminus for the Hammersmith and City Line ( sometimes extended to Plaistow or Barking )

@hublanderuk

9 ай бұрын

I was going to point out in the video he says the terminating tracks were removed. In actual fact they removed the main line tracks and the tracks in use today are the terminating tracks where Hammersmith and City Line trains use to stand when terminated. This did not happen during busy times since you use to have a chance to catch the train ahead when they used both platforms at Whitechapel to get the train behind to get into the station and if you was quick run across the platform and catch the train in front. If the driver was not nice they would shut the doors as your trains doors opened or as you got half way across the platform. But if you could do it you could get home a train early. My Nan would most probably say it is most probably a good thing you can't run across the platform anymore to get the train ahead. But I guess with new signals it would not happen now anyway.

Over the East London line. Over the DLR and Jubilee line. Level with the Central line that climbs and falls to meet it. That District line sure likes to forge a path. Isn’t it twice it crosses the DLR?

Stepney Green, ...niiiiice

I suppose you expect me to say " my tunnel has been extended at each end over the year ", so I will

One of my nightmares would be having to fault-find on those cables which run alongside the lines (0:10 and at the end)... I can imagine they all have different purposes and carry way too many volts to even think about but I find the way they snake along, disappear for a while, reappear, cross to the other side, go round obstacles etc. fascinating!!

9:47 My favourite part about the Whitechapel Station. I was so happy when I saw this. P.S. I prefer Bengali typefaces with more serif.

@kevinwingfield2007

8 ай бұрын

Don't we all

@Great_WesternTVFan

8 ай бұрын

Same here mate.

Jago: You are the cross over to my cross under

Really good one Jago 👍

It's a shame the rooftop garden isn't accessible

at 9:27..I notice they don't have a characterture of Whitechapel's most (in)famous resident...It's good to see Whitechapel looking smartened up--the last time I was in London in 2014 it was dead grotty.

Always enjoy your videos; always interesting. You're clearly passionate about your subject, and the droll and light-hearted touch is entertaining and keeps the viewer engaged. Have you ever done a video about Brixton station? In particular, why it looks so incomplete? And why, oh why, isn't there an Overground stop there? It'd allow changing both for the main line and the Tube, (reducing pressure for a Northern Line extension from Battersea PC to Clapham junction)...Rant over! Keep up the good work! Tim (struggling with N gauge model of Leominster station and 3 branch lines...)

Abother great vd!