A stunning scene, the last part especially. He looks like he is expecting them to understand his words after finishing his speech yet they don't and disappointment in his eyes is really visible. An amazing scene, and an amazing movie.

@gtella31

3 жыл бұрын

This was unreal.

@diogoe.s.t.2293

3 жыл бұрын

@The Truth Why, he was against the war and supported neither side. He wanted peace and was one of the few people to realise that both sides of the civil war were evil.

@JustAPintOfMilk

3 жыл бұрын

where can i watchthis movie?

@enesaydogan5590

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustAPintOfMilk There should be websites online I think, or Amazon Prime, not sure. I think the movie was called "While at war", but not sure again.

@JustAPintOfMilk

3 жыл бұрын

@@enesaydogan5590 Prime and Netflix doesnt have it (atleast in my country) I searched online already multiple times but only found some without subtitles.

This is basically how every conversation on the internet turns out.

“I wanted you to see what real courage is. It's when you know you're licked before you begin, but you begin anyway and see it through no matter what." - Atticus Finch

@notapuma

6 ай бұрын

That's just called being petty. To Kill a Mockingbird was an awful book, idc what anyone says

@edmundorivera8825

19 күн бұрын

@@notapuma all edge no point

Miguel de Unamuno: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined"

This movie is a masterpiece

Amazing scene. I need to watch the full movie!

@Zebcast

3 жыл бұрын

You can find it on Movistar+ I don't know if it's on Netflix yet

@user-lj8bw6fm9d

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zebcast Grasyas, amigo (I don't know is it written in the right way.

@jaimemedina4294

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-lj8bw6fm9d Gracias*

@telespino

3 жыл бұрын

EN: Friend, the current Spanish cinema denigrates its heroes and distorts history due to its sectarian character in benefit of totalitarian ideologies such as socialism, communism and current globalization. Don Miguel was really horrified by the republican barbarism and the betrayal of the country, as he would later confess. Something that we are currently recreating with a political class in both ideological spectra, treacherous and miserable. ES: Amigo, el cine español actual denigra a sus héroes y distorsiona la historia por su carácter sectario en beneficio de ideologías totalitarias como el socialismo, el comunismo y la globalización actual. Don Miguel estaba realmente horrorizado por la barbarie republicana y la traición al país, como más tarde confesaría. Algo que estamos recreando actualmente con una clase política en ambos espectros ideológicos, traicionera y miserable.

@thelonixx9524

3 жыл бұрын

@@telespino If you consider Franco as a Hero, you're a fascist. Unamuno wasn't against the Republic, he was Republican. He was against the extreme left wing that had a really close relationship with the URSS. In 1936, he thought that the coup would be used as a tool to come back to the center. But when he saw that they didn't wanted to came back again to the republic and they were fascist, he started to be critical, and finally murdered. It is difficult to be between the two sides in a war.

Viva Unamuno! De parte de un hispano de uno de sus paises favoritos inmortalizado por Ercilla, Chile 🇨🇱❤🇪🇦

oh my goodness, read about this scene many times but to see it is heart breaking

1:25 quiero ir al bañooooo ya ostia

3:13 I think it was at this moment he realized that his country was long pass the point of no return.

@myrealnamewontfi7289

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Spanish/Europeans will realize that once everyone in their neighborhood is an African or Asian migrant.

@agege04

3 жыл бұрын

@@myrealnamewontfi7289 are you a fascist?

@yf.f4919

3 жыл бұрын

@@agege04 He's just stupid.

@agege04

3 жыл бұрын

@@yf.f4919 not necesarily, maybe they put those fascist ideas in his mind

@yf.f4919

3 жыл бұрын

@@agege04 Siempre pienso que, por muy fanático sea el ambiente que se respira en la lar, las escuelas deberían de propiciar aire fresco... pero ya veo que no siempre es así.

Miguel de Unamuno was also an admirer of my country's national hero, Dr. Jose Rizal, who was also a student at the Universidad Central de Madrid in de Unamuno's time there, though Rizal was three years older and the two were not personally acquainted. Of Rizal he wrote, "Certainly Rizal was a tireless dreamer and a poet. All his life he permitted his poet’s soul to reveal itself not only in the rhythmic quality of his compositions, but in his entire work; and above all in the poetry that was his life...." According to recent scholarship by historian Severiano Delgado, de Unamuno praised the example of Jose Rizal in this speech at the University of Salamanca. This infuriated Millan Astray, who was decorated for his actions in the Philippines fighting the revolutionaries inspired by the writings of Rizal, which resulted in the heated exchange portrayed in this scene. Hence his line "Death to the traitorous intellectuals", as Rizal was executed on charges of rebellion, sedition and conspiracy in 1896.

@kagerkrt

3 жыл бұрын

In Spain José Rizal is not only a Filipino hero but also a Spanish. In Spain everbody admires him and everybody critize his execution since long ago. Actually Rizal has a monument in the center of Madrid.

@dudemevill1699

3 жыл бұрын

Ngl but all that José Rizal wanted was that Spain would treat the philippines like how Spain treated Mexico and Peru but the fault of José Rizals death was no other than the KKK.

@mezzodoppio58

3 жыл бұрын

@@dudemevill1699 Partially true. Initially he was among the reformists who advocated integration with Spain (equal rights and representation in the Cortes, reduced power of the religious orders), but by the early 1890s he had drifted from the other reformists and became increasingly convinced that the only way forward was independence, he just disagreed with the KKK on when and how. It was this change in stance that in part, pushed him to return to the Philippines. This viewpoint that Rizal was a bourgeois reformist against independence was one propagated and popularized by left-wing nationalist historians in the 1950s and 1960s. See the paper "Towards a Radical Rizal" for a counterargument on that point of view.

@dudemevill1699

3 жыл бұрын

@@mezzodoppio58 It is true tho that Rizal wanted independence but Rizal didn't feel like the philippines was ready for independence cuz it had a small army.

@mosesracal6758

Ай бұрын

He wrote an extensive essay on Rizal called Rizal: The Tagalog Hamlet and after reading a biography of him remarked: "I have just finished reading, for the second time, Vida y Escritos del Dr. Rizal, by W.E. Retana, and I close this reading with such a tempest of bitter reflections within the very core of my being; a tempest out of which emerges a truly brilliant figure that of Jose Rizal. He was a man of unlimited possibilities, a heroic soul, and today he is the idol of a people that will one day-I do not doubt-play a profound role in human civilization. Who was this man?"

It’s amazing that they made this into a film. I’ve read an almost word-for-word description of this powerful scene and it was exactly like this. Would love to see what the rest of this movie is like.

@neruba2173

3 жыл бұрын

No se donde has leido esa mierda pero la realidad dista mucho de ser así. Hay fotos de Millan Astray y Unamuno dándose la mano sonrientes a la salida.

1:44 the kid that wants to go to the bathroom Edit : When tf did this become the most liked comment

@Joan1Marti

3 жыл бұрын

😂🤣

@nadie2919

3 жыл бұрын

I'm still laughing about that.

@229masterchief

3 жыл бұрын

@ Lourmpakis Konstantinos Teacher: "Paco, 5 more minutes please, this is important for the test tomorrow" Paco: "¡España!, Una, Grande y Libre!"

@lil__boi3027

3 жыл бұрын

*1:55

@thess6327

3 жыл бұрын

@@lil__boi3027 why that one

"You choose dialectics only when you have no other means. You know that using it provokes mistrust, and that it is not very convincing. Nothing is easier to dismiss than the effect a dialectician produces: the experience of any assembly where speeches are made is proof of that. It can only be an emergency defence in the hands of those who have no other weapons left. You must need to force your being in the right out of people: otherwise you do not use it."

In Honor of the Truth, what happened that day at the University of Salamanca is still not very clear even to this day. This is more than anything because we have received contradictory versions that do not modify what happened but if the tone: Some take it as the Rupture of Unamuno with the Nationals, already fed up with the abuses and extrajudicial executions that he tried to stop, others as a mere tough argument between the Thinker and Millan Astray, trying only to get attention and get the Nationals to rectify the Course they were taking. What is certain is that when Unamuno finished, they had to take out the Carmen Polo and the Archbishop because the Falange and the Army drew their weapons and lost their positions at the University and the Salamanca City Council, having to live locked up in a kind of Home Arrest Until the day of his death.

@towaritch

3 жыл бұрын

you mean of "his" death ? (I believe Unamuno died short after)

@nadie2919

3 жыл бұрын

@@towaritch Unamuno was trans

@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor

3 жыл бұрын

@@nadie2919 ¿Es una broma?

@bastianrojas9800

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor Unamuno was killed because he was gay, trans, lesbian non-binarie, vegetarian, empowered woman feminist and otaku.

@Rabascan

3 жыл бұрын

Frankly, I have yet to find any credible sources regarding the transsexuality of Senor de Unamuno. Do you mind helping me out in that regard?

¡Viva Unamuno! ¡Viva la vida! Gora Unamuno!

@golfo0011

3 жыл бұрын

@Luis Adolfo Gimenez jimenez GORA EUSKADI

@unknownhandyman6821

3 жыл бұрын

Gora

@myrealnamewontfi7289

3 жыл бұрын

¡Viva Franco!

@adge5182

3 жыл бұрын

Gora

@karpie92

3 жыл бұрын

@@myrealnamewontfi7289 ?

1:56 yo cuando me dicen que hay por encima de la atmosfera

@rebel7234

3 жыл бұрын

Manda huevos ponerse en el pellejo del mierdas de Astray

@vterminator_vbondvbond9380

3 жыл бұрын

VIVA ESPAÑA

@jaime2560

3 жыл бұрын

Viva España jajaja

@sonarametse4494

3 жыл бұрын

Por encima de la atmosfera no hay otra cosa que el vastísimo universo.

@orgasmdonor5753

3 жыл бұрын

XDDDDD

No suelo ver películas españolas, pero esta estuvo muy bien producida de inicio a fin, mereció la pena verla. Me gustaría que hicierán una peli a los años anteriores durante la duración la 2º república, ya que esta étapa no suele tocarse nunca. Y por cierto si NO la habeis visto, NO veais este video ya que es un spoiler como una catedrál de grande xD.

@cesarsasviy6387

3 жыл бұрын

Na ni te preocupes, creo que todos sabíamos cómo acababa la guerra civil xdxd

No trates de gastar palabras con ignorantes pues su arrogancia siempre les cegarán de la verdad.

@paufernandezboj5517

3 жыл бұрын

Tristes y ciertas palabras y además en la España de esa época que había ignorantes a patadas

@normalplayer7377

6 ай бұрын

Llora, teníamos razón en ese entonces y el día de hoy aun la tenemos.

@Ludem135

4 ай бұрын

yo digo que es una pelicula que disfrasa a los republicanos como Buenos a conveniencia hecho por un descendiente de ellos

"History is written by the victor. Whether anyone else believes them is another story." -Anonymous

@DonPelayo90

3 жыл бұрын

And that is not apllicable in Spain cause history was written and rewritten by the losing side.

@garcalej

3 жыл бұрын

@@DonPelayo90 Exactly my point. The winning side wrote their version. Nobody believed it cause it was bullshit.

@DonPelayo90

3 жыл бұрын

@@garcalej hahahaha Stanley G. Payne would differ from that statement. But what would he know, he just dedicated his whole life to studying the subject. I'm sure you are in possesion of the absolute truth about the matter.

@garcalej

3 жыл бұрын

@@DonPelayo90 The truth is possessed by no one. It is simply the truth. Separate from us, unconscious of our biases, our cares, our beliefs, our politics. A stone fossil buried in the desert, waiting to be discovered. What difference does it make how we the living choose to interpret history? Unless you have some way to destroy every record of what occurred, to silence the dead, the truth will remain out of our control, to be taken up by future generations who in turn will be able to judge with a clear, unvarnished eye what actually transpired. What transpired was a civil war conducted by two ideologically opposed factions in which more than half million people died, a war instigated by the Fascists against a democratically elected government, followed by a 36 year dictatorship. All under a sky that many witnesses confirmed was blue.

@DonPelayo90

3 жыл бұрын

@@garcalej "a war instigated by the Fascists against a democratically elected government" thanks for proving you know nothing about the war and how it started. all biased leftard propaganda.

Voice of reason is rarely welcome at a time of war...

The Second Republic and the Spanish Civil War involved the three great political forces that would immediately afterwards fight on a world level: reactionaries, revolutionaries and liberal-democrats. In the case of Spain, the most radical ones ended up imposing themselves (as always). Thus, on the "republican side" coexisted (badly) republicans, socialists, anarchists and communists, as well as Basque and Catalan nationalists. Also on the national side were republicans and liberals, next to monarchists and phalangists (Spanish fascism). But all republican and democratic elements were swept away by the radicals, even before the military coup on July 18, 1936. Unamuno was one of those men who belonged to the so-called "third Spain", as opposed to the other two bent on imposing themselves on each other. This speech in the auditorium of the University of Salamanca, one of the oldest in the world, is perfectly valid for any of these "two Spains".

@leninthedespoiler8113

3 жыл бұрын

Falangism*

@Joan1Marti

3 жыл бұрын

Liar. There were no democrats or liberals on the Nationalist side. The Fascists never stopped saying slurs about democracy and individual freedom. The liberals and the working class they were on the same side.

@Raskolnikovtzs

3 жыл бұрын

@@Joan1Marti There were liberals and republicans on the national side at the beginning of the war. Read "The Spanish Revolution Seen by a Republican," by Clara Campoamor, a true liberal and republican. You will see how well the supporters of liberal-democracy got along with the leaders of the working classes, supporters of another type of republic, not so "bourgeois" or democratic.

@malvarez8484

3 жыл бұрын

The communists were taking control of the country that’s why the left was in fighting so much

@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor

3 жыл бұрын

I myself am Spanish and it's true there were more than just two sides. For example, on the leftist side anarchists and communists had their own war, inside the civil war itself and even though they both shared a common enemy!! The left in Spain has always been divided.

“Los confines más oscuros del infierno están reservados para aquellos que eligen mantenerse neutrales en tiempos de crisis moral”. ~Dante Alighieri

Buenaventura Durruti. Betrayed by the secret pact between the " two enemies ".

@pintxo6704

3 жыл бұрын

VIVA DURRUTI!

@juanreyesdiaz7848

3 жыл бұрын

Que viva lejos

@juanjoseph

3 жыл бұрын

Can't betray a piece of shit like durruti. Spit on his grave.

@antoniogracamoura4880

3 жыл бұрын

Killed by his own men, in the siege of Madrid. Talk about anarchism, eh?

@juanjoseph

3 жыл бұрын

@@antoniogracamoura4880 Trash disposing of trash xDDD

Fascismo y bolchevismo, dos caras, cóncava y convexa, de la misma enfermedad. Uno de los mejores discursos de la historia de España.

You don't need to persuade a dead person.

@accionkmc3529

3 жыл бұрын

so clever

@starkiler13

3 жыл бұрын

But you cant kill everyone.

@geerycaleb4553

3 жыл бұрын

Viva la Muerte

@cseijifja

3 жыл бұрын

good fucking luck triying to build something working with a corpse instead of another human .

@myrealnamewontfi7289

3 жыл бұрын

@@cseijifja Francoist Spain killed less than 1% of what the Communists in the Soviet Union managed to kill in a fraction of the time.

While I get his point, in a situation like this you HAVE to pick a side. Being at the center will only earn you the hatred of both sides. Unless you keep quiet and shut up about whoever wins.

@albertotejedorgauna

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, he was very old and many of his friends were dead, I Think he didn´t care about surviving but about telling what he thought

@Ausl0vich

3 жыл бұрын

He tried that and in doing so betrayed his principles. The Nationalists then murdered his friends and fellow intellectuals which caused a change in heart.

@sociologiaanimal

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ausl0vich qué nacionalistas? Porque había y hay nacionalistas españoles y vascos y catalanes y...

@elizabest4246

3 жыл бұрын

@@sociologiaanimal en historia internacional el lado fascista de la guerra civil se llama el bando nacional.

@rudigerjoost8317

3 жыл бұрын

If the alternative is bolshevism or the "greens2 then nothing is off limits. No matter how extreme, if you have communism, socialism or greens as the alternative. deatjh to bolsheviks. I am looking forward to round 2 of this conflict in europe around 2030 onwards

It is astounding how most of the commentators here do not seem to grasp what is actually happening (or rather, did happen) on that occasion: One of the formerly foremost intellectual architects of Spanish Unity publicly unmasks the infamy, brutality and absurdity of the "nationalist" overthrow of the republic - in front of the leadership of the main perpetrators of said coup. One of the commentators remarked: "Intellectuals are smart enough to hate but not smart enough to understand fascism." That statement could not be further from the truth: In fact he is the only one to fully understand and admit the truth and is also brave enough to challenge the lies, the hatred, the paradoxa and the hollow phrases of fascism.

@kilougi

3 жыл бұрын

@Elvia Darkgrape You are part of the reason why we have had 60 millions deaths and we will kill them all again if we have to. Because liberty, freedom, democracy and multiculturalism is the right side of history, and genocide and authoritarianism are the cancer. Venceremos Siempre

@Arcaryon

3 жыл бұрын

@@kilougi "Extremism is so easy. You've got your position, and that's it. It doesn't take much thought. And when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots coming around from the left." Clint Eastwood People like him unfortunately have always been there. But thankfully, such fanatics are usually a minority. We will stand against them as we always have, undisturbed by their shrieking screams of rage and ignorance. I am not a man of faith or uncertainty. But the bible said it best. Luke 23:34 Extremists are being distinguished by their alligence, I think such a distinction is unessessary. They are all dangerous, all fanatical and all of them are deserving of our utmost caution and concern, for their never-ending will to rule must be challenged at every level there is.

@kilougi

3 жыл бұрын

@@Arcaryon i agree though clint eastwood itself is no paradigm of non extremity

@kilougi

3 жыл бұрын

@Elvia Darkgrape :) You will never get to power and we will take you down and you will all end up like mussolini :) have fun

@Arcaryon

3 жыл бұрын

@@kilougi We salut the quote, not the man.

Pedazo de escena. Puede reflejar perfectamente a una gran parte de los españoles (no digo que sea la mayoría o minoría, solo digo que los hay) que ante un discurso argumentado que no es de su ideología; sólo saben responder de la manera más vacía: "Viva España". Deberíamos aprender de los errores, en cambio parece que avanzamos demasiado lento.

@Aletek

3 жыл бұрын

La reacción de Astray es el estereotipo que se le otorga al votante de derecha. Gente reaccionaria y sin discurso. Sin embargo, de eso pecan ambas trincheras, que a uno lo llaman facha si se sale del pensamiento único que marca la Complu.

@AlanRichmon

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aletek Creo que ambos estáis ignorando su segunda reacción. Es tal y como decís pero si habéis visto la película sabréis que parte de esta escena es la respuesta al reto que le lanza Millan Astray sobre la valentía. En esta escena por lo menos Amenabar le da una salida digna. Si os fijáis Unamuno esta preparado para morir, ignora la mano que le tiende Carmen Polo y que le puede salvar. Pero entonces suena Millan Astray, igual que antes pero diferente. Le habla con respeto y le pide que coja esa mano y que salve su vida. Ha demostrado que es tan valiente, que esos intelectuales, a los que Millan Astray desprecia, pueden ser tan valientes como los que están en primera línea en el frente como él. Y eso lo hace una persona como describís y con una formación y respeto por los que piensan diferente prácticamente inexistente (aquí prefiero ser diplomático). Seguirá gritando España y pidiendo la muerte de los intelectuales (traidores) pero ha visto que hay más de un tipo de valor. Y es por eso que Unamuno acepta esa mano salvadora.

@rogerroger730

3 жыл бұрын

Sigue pasando hoy en día, tanto de un lado como de otro.

@talongr7127

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanRichmon Totalmente de acuerdo con lo que has escrito. En cambio sabemos que ese tipo de personas los podemos contar con los dedos de las manos. Una pena que a los intelectuales se les tache de traidores.

@davidmartin243

3 жыл бұрын

@@rogerroger730 Comunistas y fascistas, las dos caras de la misma moneda, ningún respeto por lo que piensan los demás, autoritarios que sólo quieren imponer su forma de pensar.

Sube más por favor

Cosas de España. Un episodio más de tantos a lo largo de su historia.

@jjrj8568

3 жыл бұрын

el más negro, sin duda

@armandoschneider3328

3 жыл бұрын

@@jjrj8568 más negro que el actual gobierno comunista ? Lo dudo xD

@sergimateo3216

3 жыл бұрын

@@armandoschneider3328 Y tu que eres? Como esos fascistas que ni siquiera tienen argumentos? Al menos ahora tenemos democracia, agradece eso.

@MrJacksparrago

3 жыл бұрын

@@sergimateo3216 Si, agradece ser el hazmerreír de Europa y que llevemos 40 años en caída libre. En este país la gente siempre vota al peor candidato, sistemáticamente, si la democracia es esto que tenemos, es una puta mierda.

@diegofernandosanchezricard4625

3 жыл бұрын

Correcto.

2:21 No hombre no no no no no :(

Holy hell, the people in these comments are really into another world war with facism and communism. Calling numbers of deaths, their glorious past, the bible and how good things were in 1980. Everyone wants some war while there is food in their belly, their family is safe and the electrical grid is fine.

@wayneparker9331

3 жыл бұрын

Your last sentence really nails it. As a former military man I always shake my head at those who cheer on wars they don't have to fight or make any meaningful sacrifices to support.

@dannyisnow1004

Ай бұрын

Amen I drink to that.

@honchkrow5760

Ай бұрын

They have no reason to be fascists or communists yet they still think they have a say. Once they realize their mistakes they have already been starved.

En España los políticos solo se ponen de acuerdo para subirse el sueldo y enchufar a los cuñados. Y solo son honrados los que no suben al poder. Para entrar,mucho prometer y predicar,luego,a chupar como garrapatas. Ejemplos,desde el pp hasta el marqués de galapagar. Creo que somos un pueblo de borregos.

@antonio96dt

3 жыл бұрын

Pues muera el Estado y viva la anarquía.

@alejandrosaignermartorell4142

3 жыл бұрын

@@antonio96dt Una anarquía nunca funciona con una población tan masiva como la que hay en cualquier sociedad de la actualidad. La anarquía en mi opinión es lo peor a lo que podemos llegar, el estado para mi es un mal necesario porque el libre albedrío es peligroso para el ser humano. Aunque el estado tenga sus carencias, es lo que al final del día nos ha protegido de muchos peligros a los que quedaríamos expuestos en caso de no tenerlo.

@antonio96dt

3 жыл бұрын

@@alejandrosaignermartorell4142 Esa escusa es vieja y hace demasiado tiempo que quedó en ridículo. Creo incluso que tu concepto de anarquía es la simplista idea de que no hay normas y etc

@alejandrosaignermartorell4142

3 жыл бұрын

@Sickotato Yo opino lo contrario, el estado es lo que protege tu independencia para que nadie te la robe por la fuerza o por el engaño. Sin estado dudo mucho que haya propiedad privada, ya que la gente estaría invadiendo tu espacio y tus posesiones sin ningún tipo de reprimenda, estarías a merced de cualquiera, y eso es de todo menos tener independencia.

@alejandrosaignermartorell4142

3 жыл бұрын

@@antonio96dt ¿Si quedó tan en ridículo como es que hoy hay tan pocos anarquistas? ¿Cómo es que no hay ninguna nación que imparta ese modelo idílico que tú defiendes? Sencillo, porque no funciona.

Damn, our Spanish brothers suffer as much as we Portuguese, but we got out of Dictatorship much faster, in 1974 😁 Eventhough Viva Espana y Viva Portugal! 🇵🇹❤️🇪🇦 We are together and stronger hermanos

@Senhor_Bolacha

3 ай бұрын

VIVA ANTONIO DE SALAZAR!! GLORIA À SANTA MONARQUIA PORTUGUESA E DOM SEBASTIÃO!!! VIVA NOSSA SENHORA DE FÁTIMA E DOM MARCEL LEFEBVRE!!!

@Senhor_Bolacha

3 ай бұрын

MALDITA AS DEMOCRACIAS LIBERAIS E GLÓRIA À SANTÍSSIMA IGREJA CATÓLICA E DOM DINIS!!

@cubanreemachine9592

24 күн бұрын

The best period of spain was under francisco franco. He brought stability back to Spain. He industrialized Spain and made Spain an important ally against communism in the west. Spains military became a really good military. Some designs that to this day are used by the europeans today.

You had to pick a side Unamuno, you can't be at the center in a war.

@remocmisser774

3 жыл бұрын

switzerland: let me introduce myself

@joshuatumambo5674

3 жыл бұрын

To be truly neutral, you would have to be against everyone. Unamuno had balls to give this speech to fascists threatening to kill him

@Krafanio

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuatumambo5674 And also to the communists

@MrJacksparrago

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuatumambo5674 yeah, and I admire that, but it was nonsense. These people had been killing eachother like 3 days before this speech, you can't ask the two parts to understand eachother when both had tried to exterminate the other.

@granddukeofmecklenburg

3 жыл бұрын

Communism caused it all

It is good for a people to remember that it's not "Propaganda" or "Leftist/rightist sympathies" in display all of the time. A movie needs to be a movie first even while based in history. Sometimes things need to be changed for drama or consistency. I used to have a problem with many movies and the liberties they took with history but it's much easier to enjoy the movies as a movies and history as history with that mindset.

@JNRaudersant

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah , but someone who does not know about Unamuno and the civil war will think Unamuno was a republican leftist

@JNRaudersant

3 жыл бұрын

And that Millan Astray was an stupid garrulo who doesnt know to argue , and the answer is that Millan Astray never interrumped Unamuno saying Arriba España and they say in the film that Unamuno was insulted by the soldiers

@tau434

3 жыл бұрын

I love this comment. I have been a history buff all my life and have similarly had problems with the accuracy of historical movies. But I realized a few years ago that it was necessary in cinema to dramatize or truncate aspects of an event for the sake of story. If it means people take more of an interest in the subject or are able to grasp the message better, then I'm all for it. Frankly arguing over little details in an entertainment venue makes us historians look petty and unreasonable lol.

@Tacitus3D

3 жыл бұрын

@@tau434 If your movie mutilates the story for the sake of dramatization then it shouldn't be a "historical" movie anymore. Problem with you movie buff types is that you're willing to misinform viewers about the events of actual history, for the sake of distracting entertainment. And most people won't even bother to do this research add to the fact nobody will be there to disprove these bogus scenes. What a garbage shitty leftist movie.

@tau434

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tacitus3D I admit this is not one of my favorite movies - I liked parts of it but overall I think the movie could have been better. But the point of my comment is to demonstrate that arguing over historical accuracy - especially when it comes to details - just makes you come off argumentative and leads to you enjoying the movie less. I have a lot of friends who do not put as much of a premium on history as I do and I've discovered the movie watching experience is much more enjoyable for them and myself when I don't seize on every historical inaccuracy. Movies are about telling a story - and sometimes you need to edit historical events to fit them into that story. As long as the story gains from it and makes more sense to the audience, I believe there should be room for wiggling. Consider the end of Darkest Hour - which imo is a great reinterpretation of history - where Gary Oldman gives Churchill's speech in front of a crowd of cheering Parliamentarians. Scene didn't happen the way they portrayed it, but it makes for great cinema. Also consider that we're not sure what exactly was said between Astray and Unamuno as there are conflicting accounts of the event. This version seems to follow one account pretty closely though (albeit the more dramatic one) so I don't think it's accurate to heap excessively on this clip.

Hacen falta Unamunos en Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua y ahora en Mexico!

@bueno_excelente

3 жыл бұрын

Si tan solo supieras quien fue Unamunos, sabrías que el estaría orgulloso de los países ya mencionados.

@katyadelgadillo2536

3 жыл бұрын

Julio Hernandez no cabe duda que la ignorancia abunda en youtube y sobre todo con cualquier adiestrado. Investiga quien fue Miguel de Unamuno antes de volver a parlotear, inculto!

@gwynfa100

3 жыл бұрын

Por favor, ese gran intelectual estuvo en contra de un golpe de estado del que se desprende el facismo del franquismo. Y si prestas atención lo llamaron comunista, cosa que no era. Estamos a principios del siglo XXI, y vemos como las tesis de Francis Fukuyama como El Fin de la Historia no han soportado el paso del tiempo con hechos como la destrucción de las torres gemelas, y el retorno del fanatismo y radicalismo religioso que se ciega ante una serie de reformas sociales que son necesarias.

@teoysuslokuras8369

3 жыл бұрын

@@gwynfa100 Jajajjajajajajajajajajajaja Unamuno estuvo en contra de los excesos que se cometieron por los nacionalistas pero a los de enfrente tampoco los soportaba, es más llegó a apoyar el golpe porque pensaba que resolvía la casa de putas en que se había convertido la República gracias a los rojos. Otra cosa es que los golpistas fueran unos animalitos que no daban cuartel. Por eso Unamuno hablaba de los Hunos y de los Hotros porque para el eran igual de malos.

@JulioHernandez-zs5pb

3 жыл бұрын

@@bueno_excelente claro que se de que lado era. Deja tus viceras a un lado. Es por el valor para denunciar a los despotas.

There was a debate between the two, however, it was much more civilized than portrayed here. There is even a Photo of the two shaking hands after the debate.

where can i watch this movie? i cant find it on netflix or the internet

@kurara3372

3 жыл бұрын

on Movistar+, but I don't know if It's in english

@itskerox6374

3 жыл бұрын

You can see it on youtube

@AlanRichmon

3 жыл бұрын

KZread sell in many languages. I think in english is one of them (but offer to me only in spanish because is the language i programmed)

@AlanRichmon

3 жыл бұрын

@@kurara3372 In movistar+ have the possibility of change the language of sound or subtle

@jacavanheesch4593

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanRichmon thanks :)

Unamuno, el presidente que España necesitó y nunca tuvo.

@kaliyuga1476

3 жыл бұрын

Jose Antonio*

@mazar4908

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaliyuga1476 El pelele de Franco 😂😂

@es8346

3 жыл бұрын

Claro, tan pelele era que dejó que lo fusilaran. Hombres como él harían falta hoy. Y tú, si te consideras español y del pueblo llano, le votarías.

@talongr7127

3 жыл бұрын

@@es8346 Pero si no lo fusilaron

@es8346

3 жыл бұрын

@@talongr7127 me refería a José Antonio Primo de Rivera.

where can you watch this film?

@jaimemedina4294

3 жыл бұрын

Movistar+

@25thturtle48

3 жыл бұрын

wherever you want

@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187

3 жыл бұрын

KZread

2:20 jajaja

@preci_user8856

3 жыл бұрын

"No hombre no"😂

this speech made me drop my paella

Как фильмы называется? Name films?

@nachopoloperez4320

3 жыл бұрын

Mientras dure la guerra

@jaimegarcia9408

3 жыл бұрын

Mientras dure la guerra to amenabar.

@arkaitzetxeandia7542

3 жыл бұрын

"Mientras dure la guerra" ("While at War", in English)

españa...... asi sigue y asi seguira

Merece bién, Miguel.

Quan Unamuno diu "Millán-Astray" en bèth mostrar le generau, qu'ei bèth.

@mikeboix3315

3 жыл бұрын

¿Qué idioma es este?

@gascougascounizat8961

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeboix3315 Lenga gascona

A Millán Astray le iba como anillo al dedo la expresión "Muérete, tonto".

Me podrian decir como se llama la pelicula porfavor

@Alejandro-tm9vt

3 жыл бұрын

Mientras dure la guerra

@jhobet8164

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alejandro-tm9vt gracias

@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187

3 жыл бұрын

@@jhobet8164 esta completa en YouTUbe

where can i watch this movie.

@kurara3372

3 жыл бұрын

on Movistar+, but I don't know if It's in english

@itskerox6374

3 жыл бұрын

In youtube

Nice

Un hombre de razón en una hora de barbarie.

Incorrect dialogues For example: Unamuno said: "This is the temple of intelligence. And me, its high priest" Millan Astray said: Die intellectuals! Long live death! (History cannot confirm it yet)

@alvaro6587

3 жыл бұрын

Fuentes?

@felixlozanodominguez3752

3 жыл бұрын

@@alvaro6587 la fuente de esta versión la da Núñez Florencio es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vencer%C3%A9is,_pero_no_convencer%C3%A9is Aunque la fuente de Delgado dice que Millán Astray dijo "Mueran los intelectuales traidores" Por eso he dicho que no está confirmado todavía

@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor

3 жыл бұрын

Esa es la putada, que en aquel momento no había móviles para que la gente grabase lo que pasaba.

@victorkramer2596

3 жыл бұрын

Based astray, fuck the nerds

@budicaesar1213

3 жыл бұрын

@@victorkramer2596 fck you

Why don,t have film this división blue ?

@euskara2068

3 жыл бұрын

Azul Division. Because this film is during the Spanish civil war not WW2

No apruebo todo el discurso de unamuno pero hay que reconocer que este tío es dios

Lo que deja en claro esta escena es que el pueblo analfabeto se deja llevar por ideas que les venden cosas que les suenan bien , da igual la ideología porque bien podría haber sido un discurso dirigido al bando republicano... en fin... un rebaño

@Borrad0r54

3 жыл бұрын

Es lo que ocurre ahora en España con partidos populistas y demagogos como Vox, te calificarán de comunista si los cuestionas.

@uversustony9513

3 жыл бұрын

@@Borrad0r54 lo mismo con podemos y psoe , no politices mi comentario porque lo he dicho en aspecto general

@MrJacksparrago

3 жыл бұрын

Si bueno, eso o que los "republicanos" ya antes de la guerra se estaban cepillando a la gente, metiéndolos en campos de concentración y asesinando indiscriminadamente. En el punto al que se llegó, venir con un discurso de unidad y persuasión y tal fue una gilipollez tremenda, la gente se odiaba, se habían estado asesinando los unos a los otros hasta hacía 3 días, no me jodas.

@Borrad0r54

3 жыл бұрын

@@uversustony9513 no he politizado, por algo mencioné un ejemplo del partido.

@alejandrorocker907

3 жыл бұрын

@@uversustony9513 si pero podemos demuestra lo que dice en su programa. Si vierais la proposiciones que se hacen en el Congreso y lo que votan los partidos veríamos quien de verdad se interesa por el bien de España. Igual no es el mejor partido del mundo pero si los auténticos democratas. El problema de España es que estos fascistas que se alzaron en el 36 siguen en nuestras instituciones no se murieron con Franco de golpe.

Twitter be like

Como se llama la película en español?

@EstherLora

3 жыл бұрын

Mientras dure la guerra de Alejandro Amenabar

😢

En España sigue habiendo un alto porcentaje de personas que piensa como estos. De ahí que España siga dividida en dos. Los que perdieron gente en la postguerra y los que creen que no mataron suficientes. A partir de ahí que cada cual saque sus conclusiones

@jaimesahagun2373

3 жыл бұрын

El movimiento neofranquista ha pedido perdón hasta el cansancio por sus errores. Ahora está luchando porque se le reconozcan sus virtudes

@Raskolnikovtzs

3 жыл бұрын

En España hay un altísimo porcentaje de gente de izquierdas que sigue pensando que sus antepasados ideológicos no hicieron nada malo. Que aquella fue realmente una guerra de fascistas contra demócratas. Que sus crímenes durante la guerra poco menos que no cuentan porque... "era una guerra, y en una guerra todos matan". Que durante el quinquenio "en paz" las izquierdas se comportaron con pulcritud democrática, y que siempre respetaron a la República. Con un pensamiento así, tan alejado de la realidad, es IMPOSIBLE que no siga habiendo dos Españas. Va siendo hora, creo, de que también la izquierda asuma algún mea culpa. Motivos tienen de sobra.

@jaimesahagun2373

3 жыл бұрын

@Miriam Castillejo Felosa se te olvida algo. España antes de ser una grande libre y todo eso, debe de ser católica. Con la cruz vencimos al infiel, con la cruz combatimos al hereje, con la cruz echamos a Napoleón, y con la cruz salvamos el país de la revolución bolchevique

@jaimegarcia9408

3 жыл бұрын

Y también están guapa, los que creen que ellos no mataron e iban repartiendo rosas y que la 2 republica era un paraíso en la tierra, pregúntale a los descendientes de Calvo Sotelo si era un paraíso. Y suficientes no se, pero lo que está claro es que dejó mucho rojo con delitos de sangre vivitos, como por ejemplo el abuelo del cabronazo de iglesias, si Franco hubiera sido duro igual hoy no tendríamos que soportar a semejante radical peligroso en todo un gobierno de España que supura odio y revanchismo

@Redplane70

3 жыл бұрын

@@Raskolnikovtzs Esa hora llego cuando perdieron la guerra no crees? Ó cual fue el bando que prohibio la oposición por 40 anios?

Hes basically right about bolshevism and fascism but it should be added that fascism seems to rise because of the threat of communism first. The best way to keep your nation free of communism and fascism is to not let either of them fester because at the end of the day most of the fascist rank and file were in those boots because they thought it was the only way to stop communsm and vice versa

@Potatotenkopf

3 жыл бұрын

"Threat", they just want to kill the ceo of poverty

@catholicracialist776

3 жыл бұрын

You're wrong. But what can I expect of a moron like you who never studied history a day in his life

@Potatotenkopf

3 жыл бұрын

@AJ K. Lawson I did say "wanted" to as in, did not manage to.

@locuraromantica

3 жыл бұрын

@AJ K. Lawson You know that in the 50's and 60's in Soviet Union there was no famine or whatever...Right? That they elevated the standards of living of the people. Yes, they didn't have the power and nevertheless they hadn't the political control. But be accurate, please, don't make this a cold war propaganda orgy.

@locuraromantica

3 жыл бұрын

They took some liberties with his speech. In this case they protrait Unamuno as he was Karl Popper, we can be lucky that he didn't praise the free market in the movie. There is no way of keeping out communism. This system is consuming itself. The "good things" of the "free world" were there out of pure fear of the Soviet Union, once it was gone, things started to get worse in the free world. And here we are now. Each day that goes by we are more similar to the XIXth century. There is no more cheap excuses and short cuts for the defenders of capitalism...They go asking everyone to be responsable and they can't get their shit together and answer for the last crisis.

I'm not sure that on the other side of the barricade they were trying to convince anybody either. There's a time for philisophy, a time for sophism and that time isn't wartime.

A lot of Marxists, Socialists, and Communists didn't get the point of the movie. Although the film only shows the acts of repression of the rebellious side, it is clear that in the republican zone people are also killed, lied to, tortured and people disappear. Massacres such as those of the Checas de Madrid and the Paracuellos del Jarama show it. In fact, and without counting those killed in combat, about 80,000 people died in the Republican zone due to repression, censorship and leftist purges. All the characters in this movie know it. Even Unamuno admits to Franco that he knows that the things they did to his leftist friends in Nationalist territory were also being done to his right-wing friends in Republican territory. This film seeks to condemn all forms of totalitarianism, social polarization and violence, whether from the Right or the Left. One of the most beautiful scenes in the film is when Unamuno begins to argue with his friend Atilano over ideological issues, and it shows that they understand each other and that there is a dialogue. The film is not a typical criticism of the Nationalist Band, as there are many films like this, but a universal criticism of fanaticism, whether it is Chauvinist or Communist. I am not surprised that this film is not understood by either the Right or the Left. Unamuno transcends political specters.

@229masterchief

3 жыл бұрын

Well said, that scene was very beautiful, even more so today considering both right-wing and left-wing politics are increasingly moving towards the extreme.

@locuraromantica

3 жыл бұрын

You know, collectivize the means of production so the workers own the means of production...No? Well, pay them well so they buy toys, since it is what they keep them busy after work. Don't put factories outside the country. No? Ok, then the businessmen should brace themselves. What excatly do they expect?

I'm from Spain myself and my great grandfather served the Nationalist army.

@gavinstewart656

3 жыл бұрын

@Elvia Darkgrape how is fascism a good thing now?

@catholicracialist776

3 жыл бұрын

@@gavinstewart656 You're a brainwashed swine. A sheep for your masters

@alext4758

3 жыл бұрын

Espero que acabase en Paracuellos

@hectoralmendrosmartinez9272

3 жыл бұрын

@Elvia Darkgrape This must be the "Trump effect." It is no longer so ashamed to say atrocities and praise totalitarian government systems that caused so much cultural and human death that they caused throughout the 20th century.

@yourdailymemelord2091

3 жыл бұрын

@@hectoralmendrosmartinez9272 there's a different between a nationalist and a fascist Francisco franco wasn't really a fascist he was a nationalist and spain during his regime was quite successful till now. My country is falling apart because of the free democracy the people selected a socialist government who's making Spain worse over time.

No soy español... Pero tengo una consulta... Por qué Astray prefirió que Unamuno salga con la señora de Franco? Vi la película, pero la duda me quedo... Se que ambos tenían severas tensiones, y que Unamuno estaba advertido que si hablaba, lo matarían.... Pero por qué Astray lo "ayudo"? Gracias

@zantk

3 жыл бұрын

Si ves la película quizás te lo aclara, Astray patinó completamente ante una figura de prestigio, su asesinato por parte de cualquiera de los asistentes habría supuesto un conflicto político, Franco lo tenía en simpatía. Son cuestiones de pequeños instantes lo que cambia el resultado, sé que no es la mejor aclaración, pero matar a todo lo que se moviera no es lo que se buscaba.

@loloacebo5653

3 жыл бұрын

En la realidad salieron y se dieron un apretón de manos, hay una foto y todo. Matar a Unamuno hubiera sido una locura, era un pensador respetado por los derechistas y el mundo en general.

@leonardiommi2322

3 жыл бұрын

Se entiende... Si me imagino la caída de reputación si se llegaba a matar a Unamuno en ese mismo instante... Pero igual, Unamuno tenía alguna tendencia fija? O más bien "saltaba" de ideologías y pensamientos? Me quedo muchos intereses sobre la historia de él..

@donblasdelezo7487

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonardiommi2322 Inicialmente era prorepublicano en 1931, cuando la republica se inició. Pero en 1936, tras esperanzas incumplidas, e incluso una revolución comunista en octubre del 1934...evolucionó a una equidistancia de centro-derecha. Pero siempre quiso ser independiente en su juicio, y eso en tiempos de polarización extrema, no cabe. Eran tiempos de "o conmigo o contra mi", y Unamuno, a pesar de denunciar los increíbles defectos de la republica, no apoyaba el alzamiento del ejército.

este discurso pasó en realidad? está filmado?

Cuando dice "todos somos españoles", uno elige ser de la nacionalidad que sienta querer ser, incluso si los otros se lo niegan o se lo exigen. Nacer en un lugar es azaroso. Pensar, sentir, decir y actuar acorde al lugar de nacimiento corre por cuenta de uno, más allá del origen de un apellido, la lengua que se quiera hablar y la tierra que se quiera habitar.

@ezequielvega3120

3 жыл бұрын

@Asier Linazasoro la objetividad es un consenso entre subjetivos. Y no todos están invitados a consensuar sobre querer ser o no alguien con una nacionalidad determinada e impuesta por otros o por el solo hecho de haber nacido en un lugar sin haberlo elegido para tal. ¿Es ley el precepto dictado por autoridades cuestionadas en su valores democráticos? Sentir es oír al otro para que puede experimentar democráticamente el reconsiderar y el reconocerse la nacionalidad que desee. Hay países que se lo permitieron porque confiaron y respetaron los deseos de sus ciudadanos en definir sus identidades. Y hay países que no se lo permitieron, tal vez porque escasea la confianza y el respeto a los valores democráticos.

@ezequielvega3120

3 жыл бұрын

@Asier Linazasoro no pongas en mi boca palabras que no he dicho. En ningún momento utilicé la proposición copulativa "la nacionalidad es religión". Coincido que hay adultos que quieren imponer una nacionalidad o un sentir nacional específico a niños, pero a la larga esos niños en sus derroteros existenciales hacia la adultez terminarán eligiendo en su fuero interior la nacionalidad por la que sienten afinidad, más allá si las imposiciones jurídicas o los fundamentos legales no coincidan con sus afinidades nacionales. Que una persona se le defina una nacionalidad por ius solis o por ius sanguinis es tan razonable y aceptable como una persona que se niegue a seguir esas prerrogativas (y más si hay una larga historia de imponer por la fuerza lenguas y símbolos que sus antepasados no utilizaban, y si lo hacían era para sobrevivir y subsistir).

@golfo0011

3 жыл бұрын

@Asier Linazasoro ¿has oído hablar de las naciones sin estado? pues eso, pero claro está que tú no las reconoces, porque te nombraron comisario político del mundo mundial mientras el resto dormíamos y no nos enteramos.

@golfo0011

3 жыл бұрын

​@Asier Linazasoro una nación sin estado, además de un grupo humano, es un contexto cultural, y ambas cosas son muy respetables, aunque tú las desprecies alegremente. En España hay varias naciones sin estado, te guste o te haga llorar, es innegable, como ocurre en casi todos los grandes estados nación consolidados en Europa durante el siglo XIX, y salvo en España y personajes como tú, nadie les niega la existencia. Otra cosa es que la legalidad vigente permita en la actualidad ejercer ese derecho de autoderminación, en el caso de España, con una constitución creada a lomos del franquismo y con los militares en el cuarto de al lado, ese derecho no existe, obviamente (para alguien que sepa de derecho solo tengo que acudir a mi pareja, abogada de oficio con más de 25 años de profesión a cuestas, y sin embargo no niega la existencia de esas naciones). Que esas naciones existan no significa que algunos de sus ciudadanos "se niegen" a ser ciudadanos de pleno derecho, desde el mismo momento que pagan impuestos a la hacienda española SON ciudadanos de pleno derecho, da lo mismo lo que sientan ser (solo faltaría). La misma constitución española, que al menos en la teoría contiene grandes logros (aunque algunas incongruencias notables, como eso de la "igualdad de todos los españoles" y a la vez la "inviolavilidad del rey"), ya habla de NACIONALIDADES, referido a territorios, lo que es un absurdo porque todo el mundo sabe que ese término se aplica a personas (por lo visto se cambió la palabra después de un berrinche de Manuel Fraga, que no toleraba más nación que la española, claro está), pero es obvio a qué se refiere. Y es que a pesar de algunas lógicas carencias, tenemos una muy buena constitución, lo lamentable es que se interprete siempre en sentido restrictivo y como una cárcel, más que como un marco legal abierto y de convivencia. A algunos solo os interesa dos cosas de la misma: la monarquía y la unidad de España, el resto os la bufa, y sin embargo el pilar fundamental de la constitución a lo largo de TODO su texto es otro: la democracia. Asimílese el concepto, hagan el favor. Si quieres hablar de los más "mimados de España" puedes hablar de Madrid, un territorio con escasos 40 años que nunca antes habia existido, separada de la otra Castilla (¿les podemos llamar ya separatistas?) y que es la comunidad más rica gracias entre otros privilegios al insolidario dumping que la convierte en un paraíso fiscal dentro del país, y culpable de crear a su alrededor la España vaciada. No hay "igualdad entre españoles" cuando una CCAA permite que empresas y propietarios puedan pagar sus impuestos en Madrid (y más barato) en vez de en su lugar de origen, lo que los descapitaliza. Si quieres quejarte ya tienes por donde empezar. No son ni Catalunya ni Euskadi, el problema, es Madrid, como hemos comprovado durante esta pandemia, que han ido a su puta bola, como siempre, pero claro... Madrid es España y España es Madrid... si es que hay que reirse, joder!

@golfo0011

3 жыл бұрын

​Asier Linazasoro una nación sin estado, además de un grupo humano, es un contexto cultural, y ambas cosas son muy respetables, aunque tú las desprecies alegremente. En España hay varias naciones sin estado, te guste o te haga llorar, es innegable, como ocurre en casi todos los grandes estados nación consolidados en Europa durante el siglo XIX, y salvo en España y personajes como tú, nadie les niega la existencia. Otra cosa es que la legalidad vigente permita en la actualidad ejercer ese derecho de autoderminación, en el caso de España, con una constitución creada a lomos del franquismo y con los militares en el cuarto de al lado, ese derecho no existe, obviamente (para alguien que sepa de derecho solo tengo que acudir a mi pareja, abogada de oficio con más de 25 años de profesión a cuestas, y sin embargo no niega la existencia de esas naciones). Que esas naciones existan no significa que algunos de sus ciudadanos "se niegen" a ser ciudadanos de pleno derecho, desde el mismo momento que pagan impuestos a la hacienda española SON ciudadanos de pleno derecho, da lo mismo lo que sientan ser (solo faltaría). La misma constitución española, que al menos en la teoría contiene grandes logros (aunque algunas incongruencias notables, como eso de la "igualdad de todos los españoles" y a la vez la "inviolavilidad del rey"), ya habla de NACIONALIDADES, referido a territorios, lo que es un absurdo porque todo el mundo sabe que ese término se aplica a personas (por lo visto se cambió la palabra después de un berrinche de Manuel Fraga, que no toleraba más nación que la española, claro está), pero es obvio a qué se refiere. Y es que a pesar de algunas lógicas carencias, tenemos una muy buena constitución, lo lamentable es que se interprete siempre en sentido restrictivo y como una cárcel, más que como un marco legal abierto y de convivencia. A algunos solo os interesa dos cosas de la misma: la monarquía y la unidad de España, el resto os la bufa, y sin embargo el pilar fundamental de la constitución a lo largo de TODO su texto es otro: la democracia. Asimílese el concepto, hagan el favor. Si quieres hablar de los más "mimados de España" puedes hablar de Madrid, un territorio con escasos 40 años que nunca antes habia existido, separada de la otra Castilla (¿les podemos llamar ya separatistas?) y que es la comunidad más rica gracias entre otros privilegios al insolidario dumping que la convierte en un paraíso fiscal dentro del país, y culpable de crear a su alrededor la España vaciada. No hay "igualdad entre españoles" cuando una CCAA permite que empresas y propietarios puedan pagar sus impuestos en Madrid (y más barato) en vez de en su lugar de origen, lo que los descapitaliza. Si quieres quejarte ya tienes por donde empezar. No son ni Catalunya ni Euskadi, el problema, es Madrid, como hemos comprovado durante esta pandemia, que han ido a su puta bola, como siempre, pero claro... Madrid es España y España es Madrid... si es que hay que reirse, joder!

Para los que le interese esto. Millán Astray lanzó el grito de muerte a la intelectualidad traidora después de que Unamuno mencionara el fusilamiento de Rizal que luchó contra España en Filipinas. Nunca hubo un grito de viva la muerte como en la película. De hecho Millán Astray escoltó a Unamuno fuera junto a la mujer de Franco después de que sonarán algunas armas recargarse.

@zantk

3 жыл бұрын

Se hicieron anotaciones de sala, sí, se gritó "viva la muerte", es cierto que en ninguna anotación coincide el 100% de las frases, de hecho Astray no quedó "tartamudo", antes dijo una frase en torno a lo que buscaban conseguir los nacionales, pero sí, existió esa frase desde el público, aunque la respuesta que da en la película no coincide, sí que formuló: "Esto me suena lo mismo que ¡Muera la vida!"

And this is the eternal logic of fascism; to always turn inwards against the ever-pervasive traitors and inferiors -no one is safe from such a cannibalistic way of governing.

SE PARECE A MARIANO RAJOY EN SU VERSION ILUSTRADA

Mmm idk if the Nationalists ever explained their phrase of "Long Live Death" but I think it makes sense but because of this: When death is around the corner, it is right there when real character reveals itself, death it what makes us realise what we love because we dont know how important someone is until you lose it, it is what has made mankind move through its hardest and darkest moments and taking a look at the life of Jose Millan-Astray, it makes sense why would he say something like that. But it is a contradiction too because if I say "Long live Death because Life is valuable" then whose life is valuable? What about the mass executions carried out by the Nacionalists during the war?

@aqpatt4675

3 жыл бұрын

It's the motto of the Spanish Legion, which was founded by Millán Astray himself (the eye patched guy). I believe its origin comes from the Spanish military tradition based in honor and never surrending, there's a famous quote from a general in the 17th century who offered him to capitulate and answered: "Only after dead we will surrender" eventually they won that battle. Therefore its better to die fighting than to surrender, hence the "long live death" phrase

@euskara2068

3 жыл бұрын

@_Gálatas What about Guernica?

@egoism2750

3 жыл бұрын

@@euskara2068 that wasn't Franco

@Aletek

3 жыл бұрын

@@aqpatt4675 That battle, against the French, was the last one where the Tercios fought, and was certainly not won. Everybody died. The French respected the fact that the Tercios wanted to fight till the very end, and those famous words transcended in time.

@blackknight4152

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aletek It was not a victory, but the Spaniards were allowed to retreat with all their weapons and with the Empire flag in column formation, without giving up their equipment, as an army officially abandoning a territory, not a mob running from the enemy. It wasnt by any means a regrettable defeat.

why do we live in a world where individual nationalistic shouts carry more weight than a decent fucking logical point

@marcosnw7

3 жыл бұрын

there are many worlds, each world is a person

@the4thindustrialrevolution225

3 жыл бұрын

Death to the intellectuals!

@lilspaghetti7492

3 жыл бұрын

@@the4thindustrialrevolution225 And death to Nationalism! That vile ideology was the sole reason of two world wars and countless other conflicts!

@the4thindustrialrevolution225

3 жыл бұрын

@@lilspaghetti7492 CRINGE. You're 100% American

@lilspaghetti7492

3 жыл бұрын

@@the4thindustrialrevolution225I fail to see any any offense in that ngl and I bet your a basement dwelling nationalistic Prussian simp who believes in dictators

1:55 Great fanatical spirit

ESPAÑABOLA CRACK

Long live intellectuals

@hectorramos3436

3 жыл бұрын

REAL intellectuals sure, academic eggheads who are weak mentally+physically & unhealthy? Nah 😁

I' dont know if Chesterton and Unamuno exchange letters back on these days, but both of them had the same ideas: that bolchevism and fascism are one and the same, but the only difference between them is the fundament of their dictatorship. In bolchevism, is the class strugle; in fascism, the nations and race war.Just like Unamuno, Chesteron has fore seen in 1938 that Bochevism and fascism will go to war during the next decade, and the result will be a new World War, even worse than de World War One ( Named The Great War, wich was nothing but a war between monarchies , with the bank´s help) Chesterton dies in 1938, so Unamuno did 1936. Rigth now, in the early 21th century, their ideas are more important than ever: now the entire planet, and even the U.S.A is walking into a Civil War (or in Unamuno´s words "uncivil war"). Here, in Chile, we have seen how the bolchevism and fascism are rising again, but not like it was back in the seventies, with Allende and Pinochet, Now is even worst, cause there´s not a leadership on any side yet, so the worst kind of persons may rise to lead, and chaos may reign again in the streets, with the same bloody consequences that we saw in Spain back in the thirties.... " Venceréis, pero no convenceréis..." =( .

@doriancanarelli8997

3 жыл бұрын

Italian & spanish Fascism was ( unlike Nazism) never based on race but on a nationalist & traditional spiritualism ,it also have a promethean point of view, denied materialistic history (history based on economy cet...),italian Fascism in italy introduce the first form of social security ( as well as multiple other social reforms) that managed to improve the life of the italians.May i also remembered you that during the spanish civil-war they were also Muslims soldier "Los Regulares" who fougth with great ferocity for Franco' s nationalists.

This whole scene is funny to me man has valid points but points that are made far far too late

Viva la república española!

@jordiplanetatierra3787

3 жыл бұрын

Viva la pobreza

@myrealnamewontfi7289

3 жыл бұрын

Viva el consolador que tienes atorado

@neruba2173

3 жыл бұрын

Viva matar al vecino por un trozo de pan. Viva la republica!

0:40 - "...fascism and bolshevism, which are nothing but two sides, concave and convex, of the same mental illness." Truer words were never spoken.

@hectorramos3436

3 жыл бұрын

Yet regarding the ‘West’, it’s always “leftists” who start trouble & degeneration between the two.

@Navarretespanol

3 жыл бұрын

@@hectorramos3436 really? What an ignorant comment. You sound like one of those in the crowd.

@royale7620

3 ай бұрын

@@Navarretespanol care to prove otherwise cupcake? the last 7 years are truly against you

La Mujer es Doña Carmen, Millán Astray era un bestia que Franco uso para ganar la guerra

@joses2502

3 жыл бұрын

millan astray no era el bestia que pintan en la pelicula, tenia una gran faceta cultural, hablaba varios idiomas, traducia libros... no influyo para nada en el devenir de la guerra, no ostento mando alguno en combate y la legion con millan astray o sin el hubiera combatido igual

@j.sanrod2310

3 жыл бұрын

Eres un ignorante , lee un poco infórmate y no por medio del cine español que está más politizado que mis cojones .

@Spanish_Patriot

3 жыл бұрын

Millán-Astray nunca dirigió ninguna unidad militar ni participó en combates. Fue un intelectual que incorporó en los reglamentos del Tercio lo mejor de la literatura técnica castrense europea de los años veinte, se desenvolvía con soltura en ambientes intelectuales franceses, y admiraba la cultura oriental. También tradujo del inglés textos clave del Bushido, el código moral de la cultura samurai por entonces desconocida en Europa, e impartió cursos de historia militar, geografía y táctica en la Academia de Infantería. La única bestia aquí eres tú, analfabestia.

@bastianrojas9800

3 жыл бұрын

@@Spanish_Patriot Las heridas se las causó un libro que se puso muy agresivo.

@Spanish_Patriot

3 жыл бұрын

@@bastianrojas9800 Las heridas son de antes de la guerra civil. Millán-Astray no nació en 1936.

Ni la legión ni millan astray dijeron viva la muerte, solo tienen tres vivas, viva España, viva el rey, viva la legion.

@Priegogame

3 жыл бұрын

En esa época era muy comun que la legión dijera viva la muerte

@PlagueMasked

3 жыл бұрын

@@Priegogame Nunca lo dijeron.

Muchísima gente aqui que prefieren aprender historia a través de cine drmático y subvencionado que leyendo o documentándose. Os animo a hacerlo y luego buscar los 23 errores históricos que se aprecian a simple vista en estos 5 minutos de video.

Но показывать то, как красные священиков растреливают, мы не будем.... это другое

@mr.brightside3298

3 жыл бұрын

Он же блять сказал, что фашисты и красные это стороны одной и той же медали.

@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187

3 жыл бұрын

Russian?

@mr.brightside3298

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericgabrielbautistajaimes9187 нет

Wow, this is not how this went. This is fictional account based on Hugh Thomas’s fantastical take. This scene is highly exaggerated the two men did not disagree like this, firstly, secondly what angered José Millán-Astray was the professor invoking a Filipino intellectual who revolted against the Spanish, José Millán-Astray being a war hero and one of Spains best sons was insulted by the Professor bringing up the name of a criminal prompting Jose Millán to react. Also Jose Millán was not some incompetent dofus who only knew how to fight well, the man was a brilliant strategist and tactician, he easily could have handled himself in an intellectual discussion, also the two men are shown in a picture together after the speech departing and they are on good terms in the picture. I recommend everyone reads The Severiano Delgado’s version of these events and not this Pro-Republic fiction.

Batalla de la guerra civil española de esta película por favor

@wilhelmfriedrich4700

3 жыл бұрын

Pero la película no consiste en los dramas del frente, consiste en los sucesos de la retaguardia.

@AlanRichmon

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilhelmfriedrich4700 La única batalla que se muestra es la de la unificación de poderes en Franco (y la pasan bastante por encima) Luego aparece el levantamiento de Salamanca y se menciona el asedio al Alcázar de Toledo como las más importantes para la película.

Viva España desde Brasil!!

@tomassanz2003

3 жыл бұрын

Longa vida ao Brasil desde a Espanha

@Tervval2

3 жыл бұрын

viva la republica

I am conservative. I hate both fascism and communism. I believe in the free market. And the freedom of all mankind and religion.

@koil3s

3 жыл бұрын

The free market which censors you for your opinion while you do nothing, and the freedom of mankind to abandon tradition, the freedom of secularists to impose their control over religious while your principles demand you do nothing. There is more to life than GDP, and the freedom to sin should be fought against whenever possible.

@fasiapulekaufusi6632

3 жыл бұрын

@@koil3s i stand my ground

@ephraimduke

3 жыл бұрын

@@koil3s spoken like a true fascist

@koil3s

3 жыл бұрын

@@ephraimduke Thank you for noticing.

@juanlarafimia8671

3 жыл бұрын

Cuckservative.

Shockingly, this is very similar to what is happening in modern-day universities. Students only use simple slogans, simple insults, and they blindly follow a certain politician. Meanwhile, they oathe those who stand up and say they do disagree.

@Arcaryon

3 жыл бұрын

As a student - there is more truth to this than I would be comfortable with and yet not neaely as much as you say.

@quickrat3348

3 жыл бұрын

@@Arcaryon Give it time. 12 years ago, it was unthinkable to see student harassments to free thinkers in Western universities. Now, it is very common.

@Arcaryon

3 жыл бұрын

@@quickrat3348 I am European so allow me to respectfully disagree.

@quickrat3348

3 жыл бұрын

@@Arcaryon I am as well. In State owned universities, many free thinkers have problems when trying to give a speech.

@Arcaryon

3 жыл бұрын

@@quickrat3348 Depends on the country I guess. I mean, I even study politics and the studentbody is overall fairly left leaning but nothing like you described.

Chad Miguel .A true Hispanic and Christian kills Fascists and Communists . Muerte a los Tiranos y Autoritarios .

@euskara2068

3 жыл бұрын

I have family in the Catalan country and the Basque country, this the War is embedded within Spain every where you go, Miguel had a point that Franco just wanted to seize power and justified his actions because he wanted to stop the Reds? Franco wanted to make the country back to its glory days but instead divided the people even more.

@godschampion4375

3 жыл бұрын

mar*ca

@euskara2068

3 жыл бұрын

@@godschampion4375 ??

While his most famous lines weren't actually given in his speech, but in a letter to another intellectual, he understood what so few even today do; that communism/socialism and fascism were expressions of the same horror; the complete domination by a state over the dignity, worth, and liberty of the individual human.

@SneedEnjoyer

3 жыл бұрын

shut the fuck up, liberalism is much worse

@dp_upperscore8119

3 жыл бұрын

@@SneedEnjoyer Boo who go cry about it somewhere else

@SneedEnjoyer

3 жыл бұрын

@Terry Cupboards *locks you up for going to Trump rally* pshhh nutting personel conservatard

@SneedEnjoyer

3 жыл бұрын

@Terry Cupboards They are. You have been living under a rock or something?

@romaingraver2783

3 жыл бұрын

@@SneedEnjoyer they are locked up because they invaded a state building injured policemen and broke things on the capitol so if that is what you call trump rally yes they deserved to be locked up as so as him

Habida cuenta de que desconozco la historia de la madre España ¿Por qué la mujer del jefe de Estado coge de la mano al señor Unamuno?

@geronimozarza8495

3 жыл бұрын

La señora Carmen Polo de Franco era cristiana y admiradora de la poesía de Unamuno. Ella no era política así que incluso con lo escandaloso que fue el discurso de Unamuno, ella no se sintió ofendida y lo salvó al ver que la Falange y la Legión iban a matarlo si ella no hacía nada, y como ella era mujer de Franco, si ella lo sacaba de ahí nadie la iba a detener.

@Joan1Marti

3 жыл бұрын

Quienes se benefician del fanatismo político, són más o menos conscientes lo deficiente de su lógica y hay momentos y situaciones en los que no se dejan arrastrar por esta. Evitar que maten a un hombre a sangre fria en medio de la sala de actos de una facultad, cómo resultado de su discurso... es también, una forma de lavarse la cara, y escena que una persona bienestante como la señora Carmen Polo no querría presenciar.

@geronimozarza8495

3 жыл бұрын

Es cierto. Cabe resaltar que, contrario a lo que algunas partes de esta película quieren hacerlo parecer, ni Franco ni su esposa María Carmen tenían la intención de convertirse en dictadores ni en adoctrinar al pueblo. Simplemente se dieron cuenta que, tristemente, como los comunistas y los socialistas habían adoctrinado a muchos y tenían gran fuerza y resistencia por su ideología, la única forma de combatir eso era con ideología opuesta. Solo un fanatismo patriótico y nacional era capaz de hacerle frente a un fanatismo marxista y revolucionario.

@Joan1Marti

3 жыл бұрын

@@geronimozarza8495 di que sí lamebotas. Franco y todos los suyos tenian un síndrome de Edipo que no les cabia en sus maltrechas almas; sin una figura paterna, no iban ni a la vuelta de la esquina. Por supuesto, la culpa de que la mitad de la población española fuera represaliada, fué de los propios represaliados, por tener ideas prohibidas y encima ganar elecciones con ellas. Muy típico todo de quién tiene dependéncia de figuras paternas. Por cierto, dentro de la candidatura del Frente Popular el partido con más votos era Izquierda Republicana (nada que ver con E.R.C.), que era un partido liberal. Pero en la mentalidad feudal de la otra media España, no sólo la lucha de la clase obrera era un crimen, también lo era la libertad y los derechos individuales. Después de IR, en el frente popular, estaba el PSOE, y en tercer lugar el PCE, y lejos de tener hegemonía en su 3er puesto en la candidatura de gobierno detrás suyo estaban los Trotskistas. En el fanatismo no hay diversidad de opinión. Por eso los lamebotas como tu ganastéis la guerra. Venga a pagar el diezmo, el derecho de pernada de tu señor feudal y a escuchar misa en latín, mojigato.

@Raskolnikovtzs

3 жыл бұрын

@@Joan1Marti A pesar de su fuerza electoral los republicanos no contaban casi nada en el Frente Popular. Y menos a medida que avanzaban los meses. En ese momento la fuerza se medía en la capacidad para arrastrar a las masas, las que empleaban la violencia y la coacción, y ahí ganaban por goleada socialistas, anarquistas y sindicalistas. Por lo demás, aquellas elecciones fueron fraudulentas (actas manipuladas, más votos que votantes, escrutinios a puerta cerrada, etc.). Las izquierdas no demostraron demasiado respeto por la alternancia política la primera vez que tuvieron ocasión (1933-34). Es decir, ya tenían antecedentes.

Guerra civil espanhola interessante

@jaimegarcia9408

3 жыл бұрын

El peor episodio de un país como España.

@rubenconcur2694

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaimegarcia9408 un episodio digno de el peor país de la historia que es España que es diferente a lo que tu has dicho

@napster1987

3 жыл бұрын

@@rubenconcur2694 Un comentario digno del más prejuicioso de la historia que eres tú, que no es lo mismo xD

@rubenconcur2694

3 жыл бұрын

@@napster1987 un país tan horrible que hasta sus propios habitantes se quieren independizar de él jajajaja

@napster1987

3 жыл бұрын

@@rubenconcur2694 Como les pasa a todos los países de Europa con miles de años de historia. Como le pasa a España con los territorios más antiguos desde los antiguos celtas. Claro, es que eso pasa en todos los países por aquí, por lo que no me retracto de lo de prejuicioso y desinformado.

¡Viva España! 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸

@joseluisparra618

3 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🇪🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@daduchoeama

3 жыл бұрын

Y siempre dividida...

@shadowrex1968

3 жыл бұрын

VIVA LA REPÚBLICA

@Raskolnikovtzs

3 жыл бұрын

@@shadowrex1968 Viva España próspera y en paz bajo el tipo de régimen que sea (régimen democrático, se entiende). Con república o con monarquía parlamentaria, TANTO DA.

@eljost512

3 жыл бұрын

@@shadowrex1968 no jeje

Millan Astray saved Unamuno’s ass that day - if it wasn’t for him he doesn’t get out alive of that place

@euskara2068

3 жыл бұрын

@@samrevlej9331 True

@AlanRichmon

3 жыл бұрын

@@euskara2068 This is what movie said. But one thing, Millan Astray saved Unamuno's life, with Carmen Polo's help, because Unamuno want it. It's Carmen Polo who saved his life but he rejects her savior hand until Millan Astray ask him to did. He was prepared to die. And not and painless death.

Great intellectual of those days. But he was too small to stop the history of blood.

@catholicracialist776

3 жыл бұрын

You are a perfect example of a braindead sheep following his pharasee master :) The "intellectual" used nice words to mislead the public and once he won the elections he would corrupt the people and the country, yet you are so naiv and stupid. What can I expect from a born loser...

@hantank97

3 жыл бұрын

Pity pitfighter comes :).I'm really sorry about all your pathetic wording skill. You blame hardly about me, still your sentences are empty. Try to focus on keyword. You can do conversation better!

@catholicracialist776

3 жыл бұрын

@@hantank97 You are a sheep and yet you don't know it 😂 😂 😂 EZ

@catholicracialist776

3 жыл бұрын

See. That's exactly what I mean. You are so unbelievable stupid and naiv wow. It's not just a scene of a movie. The "expert" you are moaning so much about is saying nice reasonable words to mislead the public, once he wins the elections, he corrupts the country and its people, pushing unmoral programs through like the sexualization of children, open borders, corrupting the media (whilst stealing 3 billion in 1 year alone),... It irritates me that naiv, dumb people like you do not see through the 'expert' "nice words"

@hantank97

3 жыл бұрын

nah, you are keep missing the point gen. you are blaming the 'intellectual, but there is no why. and all you saying is you are sheep because you are sheep! how funny. Even this reply, he didn't show 'why'. God be shame his son only knows anger and hatred.

Ni Astray dijo 'muera la inteligencia' ni Unamuno "venceréis pero no convenceréis"...

@Martin-ks8tr

3 жыл бұрын

es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vencer%C3%A9is,_pero_no_convencer%C3%A9is Si lo dijeron

@L3st86

3 жыл бұрын

@@Martin-ks8tr www.elindependiente.com/tendencias/2018/05/09/astray-unamuno/

@L3st86

3 жыл бұрын

Es una creencia popular de la guerra, pero no.

@franciscojavierhidalgoarra2620

3 жыл бұрын

Como que no si documentado y grabado

@L3st86

3 жыл бұрын

@@franciscojavierhidalgoarra2620 ¿Dónde?

Valiente reacción de doña Carmen Polo, una mujer de verdad.

@corcolesgarciaxavier579

3 жыл бұрын

Tan de verdad que las joyerías de España tenían que cerrar cuando visitaba una ciudad, menuda arpía

@neruba2173

3 жыл бұрын

@@corcolesgarciaxavier579 Buena propaganda, prueba otra vez.

A very nice movie, Unamuno was a great figure of intellectual, but nonetheless, from the many books i have read , i'm sincere, if i lived at the time, i'd take the side of the Nationalists. The Reds day by day eliminated the moderate components of the Republic, killing the opponents too.. Obviously , there was a sort of Fascismo ( i notice that the most part of commentators use the word Fascism and Nazism as synonim, but at the time the 2 doctrines were mostly different, because Fascism was not racist as Nazism - search for the jews and their great support to the Italian Fascism) in the Junta of Franco , but probably the victory , an eventual victory of the Republic meant hardship, killings and poverty for Spain, probably something more acute that the triumph of Francoism. Without counting the problem of a post WWII settlement in Cold War, with embargoes like it was in Cuba. Unamuno is the voice of moderation, seems a person outside of his difficult times, a man of today thrown back in 1936, but i presume that at the time you had to take sides. And many did just that.

@229masterchief

3 жыл бұрын

There was no good guys so it just depends on which sides has the most overlap to your values. If I was transported there with while having the same background (middle class, religious tho not good at it lmao) I probably side with the Nationalists too.

@Spanish_Patriot

3 жыл бұрын

@@229masterchief "There was no good guys" Finally some common sense! If you say how horrible the commies and the Republic were, you're branded a fascist.

@229masterchief

3 жыл бұрын

@@Spanish_Patriot Yeah, looking back I don't think there's any movie about the civil war from the Nationalists PoV other than this one, while you can find quite a few from the PoV of the Republicans.

@alext4758

3 жыл бұрын

I love to see ya'll foreigners talking about my country history like you have the slightest clue about it.

@229masterchief

3 жыл бұрын

@@alext4758 k

Based students.

@josefuentes1277

3 жыл бұрын

They're braindead