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@ReneRodriguez-uh3ew

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to get the stop blocks I ordered. Keep up the good work Jonathan

@multidinero

3 жыл бұрын

The DeWalt DWP611 is a beefy little beast of a palm router. I have a router problem (10 total...and I want more...). I own the a corded Rigid and a battery powered pair. But I love the DeWalt. You can buy a plunge base for it, and it also works with the 20v Max variant. The DeWalt is just that good.

@haknys

3 жыл бұрын

Where is the green coolaid? 😪

@infamousfitzmic440

Ай бұрын

What do you think of the compact routers with the plunge base??

Great Video. One thing you mentioned was that the Bosch LED would shine in your eyes when changing bits. Good point but one thing to note is that when changing bits the tool should always be unplugged to prevent accidental start up when your hands are near the bit so the LED being on all the time wouldn't matter in that regard. Safety First.

@neilstutely3147

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking that about the LEDs when changing bits....

@Pseudoswede

Жыл бұрын

Good catch

@altafidelidad2004

Жыл бұрын

First thing I thought when he said that, because it already happened to me with a Chinese router, maybe the leds stay on on purpose to prevent that.

@cuebj

Жыл бұрын

Goid point. LED being on is a good warning that power is on - a good feature@

@briannewton3535

Жыл бұрын

I once nudged the trigger and fired up my Makita when moving it across the bench, as it is a simple easy to get to rocker switch. Ever since, the power is ALWAYS off on bit changes. Nice to see you catch that.

Love that "Sponsered by me and me alone." The quality of the content wins

Great video! Thanks for doing this video! Had some life issues recently and watching your videos and a few other woodworkers in your community have helped me a ton! Getting back to creating has felt great! I'll definitely be getting some of your stuff as soon as I can afford it! Thanks again my good man!

Thanks Jonathan! Great timing on this one. I need a trim router for some inlay and sign-making, and it has to accept bushings. Thank you so much for doing this style of tool comparison. I really appreciate your content.

I've always been a DeWalt fan and got the chance to pick up the compact router (with plunge base included) for $50 at an estate sale. I've been thrilled with it. I also have most of the DeWalt battery tools, so when the cordless router came out, I did some research and found out that all of the accessories work on it as well. Another great thing is that the PC bushings work on it too. - Chris

It’s actually pretty common for the Milwaukee routers to come with the screw on the clamp to be a little loose. Half a turn and mine is rock solid and I haven’t had to touch that screw again.

@jchris251

3 жыл бұрын

Yes this!

@iMiniBiscuits

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, the plunge base came adjusted perfectly though

@Shawn_lsx

3 жыл бұрын

Mine came loose too, I tightened mine works perfect. I love having a cordless router.

@Xander-dx6mw

3 жыл бұрын

When I bought mine in November, there was a additional instruction in the box that told you how to tune it because it was shipped loose. I used it the first time and was ready to take it back when I found it, and made the adjustment. 30-some hours of use later and no issues.

Awesome video, Jonathan! I really appreciate the personal investment you made to keep the video unbiased. My KM stop block is rock solid on my crosscut sled - money well spent! I'm about 3 years into my rigid palm router and have a different take on that switch, I love it for its safety. I know that I can always just reach my other hand up and slap the top of the router to turn it off. Or, as others have suggested about sometimes changing bits with the tool plugged in, I'll either have the tools standing up or against my body as I change the bit which actually pushes in the power switch to the off position. I've rarely if ever applied pressure to the top of the motor since I usually have my hands down towards the base where I feel like I can control it better so accidentally turning the router off mid-cut has never been a problem for me. Thanks again for the Sunday morning treat!

Thanks for taking the time to make the video, Jonathan. Just took delivery of the Bosch off the back of your recommendation - excited to put it to use!

Thank you! Your channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites!

Jonathan, if you un-plug the router, like you should when changing bits, the lights wont be in your eyes, I have the colt, and your right, its great.

The Milwaukee has an adjustment screw on the latch. If you tighten it, it will have 0 play. It’s actually in the instructions. Give it another shot. Likely the best one on the table.

@brandonporter7030

4 ай бұрын

He’s not comparing apples to apples anyway. They all have a battery option and should be only compared with battery ones.

@infamousfitzmic440

Ай бұрын

Some people just need to stop being blinded by the "color" of the tool and not be fanboys.

I’ve always used Bosch routers, no complaints.

Thank you, Katz!!! I agree with you on the Dewalt being the most stable and a great machine to use. My shop looks likes its sponsored by Dewalt. I do like their quality of build..in general. Their brush-less motors are excellent and super powerful. Thank you for your contribution to the craft/trade.

That Milwaukee is awesome! It is the best of those. You went from it not being tight enough to over tightening it, no need to crank it down so hard, When you use the micro adjustment you don't do that with it locked down, you open the lock, adjust it then lock it down. It has zero play to it. Awesome router.

@sc29607

Жыл бұрын

Same for me, had a DeWalt and the Makita wired one, now using the Milwaukee and I’m happy like nothing else…

@williamcooper5009

Жыл бұрын

Several other reviewers made same mistake. I have one but have not used it. Adjusts easy and locks in place.

@irishRocker1

Жыл бұрын

@@williamcooper5009 Well if several are making mistakes its not well designed is it?

@williamcooper5009

Жыл бұрын

@@irishRocker1 I think you’d have to see the reviews of the people who made the mistakes and then figured it out and corrected it. Honestly, I cannot figure HOW they made the mistake in the first place.

@williamcooper5009

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Great video, much appreciated! I recently got a Bosch GKF600, which is the European version of the Colt (but with some different accessories and maybe a tiny bit more power). Have been really happy with it, love the feel and quality of Bosch blue. I use it mainly with a dovetail jig and for dados, and have never found it wanting power. Was relieved to see it score well with you as I hesitated between it and the Makita. For roundovers I have a 12v Bosch palm router, which is very light and handy.

Good review/comparison. I have the corded Dewalt with the full kit (plunge base) and it is great for when I don't want to wrestle with the large router or need its power. I picked up the Ryobi cordless dirt cheap as a basic throw-away "quick use" router to do edge cleanups. It nearly always lives with a 1/4" round-over bit on it. Both have their place and are useful.

This demonstration could not have come at a more appropriate time for me. I was contemplating buying either the Bosch Colt or the Dewalt but leaning more towards Dewalt due to the fact most of my power tools are Dewalt. I am glad to see that the Colt measures up to the Dewalt as it would save me money. Thanks for the content.

Perfect timing. I was looking for reviews for those, and bingo! Getting a Bosch. Thanks!

I watched your tutorials and straight away headed to the shop and bought seven of those.new to woodworking and youtube but eternally grateful for your videos.

I'm retiring soon and plan to setup a new workshop. I trust your evaluations because you are one of the few channels that aren't sponsored by outside vendors and that means a lot to me. I rely on your opinions because you seem to be well respected by your peers on KZread and you have a ton of experience while receiving great reviews. I will continue to support your channel when the time comes to set up my shop and will purchase as much as I can from your store. I want you to be able to continue to be an unbiased voice in the tool world. Keep up the good work and I appreciate all you do. Thanks

Interesting! I ended up with the Makita because it felt way more comfortable than the others when I used it... But the important thing is to get the job done.

I have the cordless Dewalt and it is quickly becoming my go to router because of the adjustability, power, and overall comfort and feel. Yeah it was a little pricey, I bought mine at the big box stores but with my military discount it ended up being about the same price as maybe the Ryobi, but after comparing it with others like it on my own (plus the fact that the wife had already bought me some other Dewalt tools...) there was actually no comparison anymore... Thanks for more info Jon.

Thank you for this great information. I've been looking at palm routers all day and your video has definitely helped me make up my mind on which one to buy.

Really looking forward to this comparison video! Could not wait to tune in and hear your thoughts. Great content, even better delivery. Thank you JKM.

Great vid. Other options to consider are the batteries. Since we don't have a universal battery, sometimes you have to choose a lesser tool to fit in with all the other same brand tools you own. That and battery life varies widely. Avoid generic compatibles for sure.

Much respect to a man who can admit they are a fanboy then admit that their tool of choice is not the best in the category and give a fair assessment of the tools tested. Thank you.

@user-dp3ky3cm4l

3 ай бұрын

Porter Cable...best palm router and service is amazing if needed

Thanks for the very detailed review, Jonathan. Beginner woodworker here, so my handheld stable is full of cordless Ryobi tools as I am pretty much what would be considered a light user and haven't figured out yet how serious I will get in this craft. So, I appreciate your candidness about the Ryobi router and for your specifics as to why you didn't like it. This will help me greatly as your review of the other routers will give me a solid direction to go when at some point I look to upgrade. Currently, I have only been using my router as a round-over and flush trim around the edges of projects to clean them up. I always envisioned myself using these small routers for this purpose alone and when I start doing more substantial things with a router using a full-size router for those heavier tasks whether it be in a router table, handheld, or both. Thanks again, Loved the video. You are a master teacher!

A year later I look back on this and now have 3 dewalt compact routers. 1 always has a round over and 1 always has a flush trim bit, all from bits and bits with your code. Those are cordless and I have a corded one with a plunge base. I got dust collection adapters for them all and edge guides. Very happy I watched the video and tried it myself! Thanks again my man

moved from the makita to to the dewalt about 4 years ago. I found the dewalt far more versatile than the makita. I use the variable speed mostly when I work with plastics, for wood I usually run at full speed unless I see burning, usually on end grain and then I knock down the speed a few notches. Your video was a great help! I look forward to seeing comparisons like this. Thank you!

This is the best review I've found. I inherited my dad's tools and I think it is time to upgrade. He was a fantastic woodworker. However, I wish he were around to discuss these products. I think he purchased something US made (Porter Cable), rather than a better design, ergonomic and easy to use.

Great review video! I really liked that you said what not to buy and why. This is very direct, and missing from other people's reviews.

Awesome review and really appreciated the non-biased honest takes/feedback. You really helped me, many thanks!

I have several routers from 3hp down to laminate trimmer. I have never really had major problems with any of them, until... I bought the Dewalt DWP611 for a specific purpose. I used it for milling aluminum castings for gunsmithing. It was the recommended unit by the supplier for this procedure. There is a special mill that attaches directly to the motor shaft, so there is no problem with flexing or loosening of the collet. The milling procedure only takes off less than 1/32" per pass with a 1/4" mill. It worked great for about 10 hours of use (not all at once, over a period of weeks). These routers are notorious for eating up brushes, so when mine made a loud bang and quit working, I took it apart and checked the brushes. Nope, the brushes were fine, but there was a burn mark just under the top cover. It turned out the control module blew up. I ordered a new one ($90) and installed it. The router is working fine now, but who knows if it will happen again or it was a manufacturing defect. Otherwise. I'm generally happy with its performance along with my many other Dewalt tools.

I've been quite happy with my ryobi router for what its used for. ( not a lot of plunging to be fair) though I've never used a better quality brand router , which I guess is the trap beginners fall into, and the curse of knowledge for someone as experienced as you. At this stage I often think of upgrading all my ryobi battery power tools to dewalt , however I do have to appreciate that without the cheap ryobi tools, I would have never got into woodworking enough to want to buy expensive tools.... so I guess they serve a purpose. Thanks for another great video

I spent a lot of time debating over which compact router to get and I finally settled on the Dewalt (with the plunge base). The Bosch and Makita almost won due to cost and the kit options. I love the router. I am glad that your testing helped validate my choice. Thanks for the great video.

Wow, Jonathan - what a great review and deep dive into the world of routers! Now I understand why I don't have the accuracy needed for the projects I've worked on - I just thought it was user error and my inexperience with routing. You've also validated my switch to Bosch routers - and oh my gosh - the difference is between night and day! Thank you for doing this type of tool review. p.s. Thank you for your support and encouragement over at 731 Woodworks with Matt Outlaw. Can't wait to see any projects and/or videos collaborations!

Awesome video. Great compairson on these routers!

@dondonaldson1684

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Jonathan, hats off to you with another great video. One thing I'd add (another plus) about the Bosch compact is you can share some accessories with other Bosch routers such as the 2.3 hp. If you get the Bosch compact combination kit, the plunge base will accommodate the Bosch template guides. Further, the Bosch compact will use the Bosch Deluxe Router Edge Guide.

@woodrowsmith3400

Жыл бұрын

...was not aware that full size Bosch accy's would work with the Colt. I have ooodles of full-size stuff so they should be plug-and-play with the Colt. I'll look into that...thanks for the heads-up solid info 😀

Great comparison and review, so helpful I am new to using a router and would not know the little things that can make or break a good router tool. Very glad I watched your video. TY for taking the time and putting this together!

Awesome production quality - great camera angles, content, music mix, and humor. Thumbs up!

Great review! I have the 1hp version of the Bosch and I’m really happy with it. For only $90 it’s hard to beat. Also love that Bosch tools have longer power chords

@andydrew2366

4 ай бұрын

Two years later and I just snagged it for $65!

I've used the Ryobi for over 5 years now. Put a lot of hard hours on it and haven't had the bit slip once! Love this router, sure it's not the best but has worked great for me.

@Whyus793

2 жыл бұрын

Mine works great. Never once thought the bit wasn't in tight. Could be operator error.

@starhawke380

2 жыл бұрын

Mine is the same. Collet is tight, bits are solid. My problem is the adjustment. That is terrible. I wish he could have continued testing so that would show up. All my battery tools are ryobi, but this is one i would not get again.

@swishpan

2 жыл бұрын

Could be a problem with metric/imperial sizes as you have 6mm vs 6.13mm or so?

As always Jonathan first class delivery and assessments. I really like your no nonsense approach, call a spade a spade as we say here in Scotland. Highly informative so thanks for sharing.

Thanks for another great video. I have two of the dewalts so I can have one in the plunge base with edge guide and the other in the regular base. I totally agree with you on that base piece that sticks out the front making it easier to hold down.

Ive got a makita recently, full kit, great value looks well made and solid. Had problem with the adjustment moving, tightened up the nut on the locking handle problem solved, the only thing I wish it had was the Led light that would be handy,

@noori8309

2 жыл бұрын

hmm mine has it maybe only battery model

Great video Jonathan, very helpful! =)

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

Love your channel btw

@PapaFlammy69

3 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools Didn't know you like maths haha! :D Maybe we can come together for a really weird unexpected collab at some point! That would be pretty cool!

Great video it's a pleasure watching and learning from a professional such as yourself. It saves us novices time and money when searching for the right tool and to make the right choices based on your info. Keep up the good work

Great review and demonstration of these routers! Thank you for posting!!

I love these types of videos where you compare multiple brands of one type of tool. I already own the Bosch router so I watched this video in hopes of confirming I made the right choice. Thanks for confirming that. I love Dewalt more than Bosch overall but I bought it because of the great price. I'm going to use it a few more months and then do my own video review which shall be good!

Thanks Jonathan. Another great video. I have the Dewalt cordless compact and love it for all the reasons you mention (plus the convenience of cordless). I have no concerns for power for things I would do with a 1/4” shank bit. Keep it up!

Perfect timing on this review. Heaps of great information. Thanks !!!

Interesting review. I have a corded and cordless makita and find them excellent. The fact that all the accessories can be used with both is a great bonus. And they have a square base which helps with the hand hold you mentioned.

@alfredomarquez9777

Жыл бұрын

I have found their ANGLE base to be absolutely great for a one of a kind job, where I needed to rout a large pulley channel, and the angle of the belt was not common... that little base saved the day and paid fot itself in just one use!!!

@woodrowsmith3400

Жыл бұрын

I agree with Alfredo. I use my tilt base...maybe twice a year. Each time I've used it it paid for itself multiple times over. Best $40 I've spent on router accessories in eons.

This was very helpful. I’ve been been considering adding a palm router to my shop. Is it possible to do a short video comparing your top two choices, Bosch and DeWalt, that included all the available accessories? That would help narrow down my choice and I’m sure help others as well. Thanks.

I'm so glad you did this comparison video. I'm wanting a small trim router and wasn't sure which one I should get. I have mostly Dewalt cordless and corded tools, I always want one corded and one cordless of the same tool in case one breaks and I can fall back to getting the second one out to finish the job. The only tool I don't have cordless are routers, I have four of them, but they are all to big to do trim work with. So I'm going to get myself a Dewalt trim router. Thanks for sharing

Yeah I ended up buying the Dewalt a while ago and very happy with it. Plus it comes with a plunge base too which is brilliant. It’s a great router for cutting mortises which is originally why I bought it.

Oh man, wake up on a Sunday, roll over and see theres a new Katz video. My coffee maker can't brew fast enough right now!

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

I'm 3 deep already and it's only 530am hahaha. Dad life has changed my weekend sleep schedule drastically

@wiedster9

3 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools That's awesome, and congrats on the dad life. There is nothing more rewarding in life than being a dad.

Great review! I've had the same issue with the Milwaukee. It's not supposed to adjust when closed. You need to tighten the screw holding the quick release more until the handle snaps down solid and makes sure that your adjustments are set very tightly and precisely. I was shocked at first too but when it's tightened down there's no play whatsoever.

@cobuck4007

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Many have had this issue. I quick tightening on the screw and it’s perfect.

@anthonydotb

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. It probably should come right from the factory but it didn’t seem like a fair comparison because of it. I believe it says in the manual to make sure the screw is tight.

@marshallmurrell4583

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same issue with my full size DeWalt router. Tightening the screw fixed it.

@clint983

Жыл бұрын

Yup had the same issue with my milwaukee cordless. Works great after the clamp screw is tightened.

Bought my cordless dewalt for the sole purpose of doing juice grooves on cutting boards cause the cord on my makita kept getting in the way. It's an absolute beast and is now my go-to compact router

I started with the ryobi and still use it. I do have some issues after hard uses. Can't wait to upgrade. Thanks Josh for the full review.

Great comprehensive look. We own both the older version of the Bosch, and that Dewalt. I agree that the Bosch adjustment isn’t very good, but I love the little thing. The Dewalt is really a superb little router. The only thing I disliked was the original base. I bought a round base for it, and love it. In the end, the Dewalt stayed at work, and I took the Bosch home 😊😊.

@francostacy7675

2 жыл бұрын

Does that mean you like the Bosch netter

@Hvn1957

2 жыл бұрын

@@francostacy7675 If I had to pick between the two, I’d go with the Dewalt.

Another plus for the DeWalt is the corded and cordless versions can use the same bases. So the plunge base will work with both routers. Earlier PC compact routers also use the same base as the current DeWalt. I have the PC 450 router and the DeWalt 20V MAX cordless, both routers mount exactly the same and the bases are interchangeable between them. I believe the PC model you tested was the laminate trimmer, no their compact router. for me power switch placement and accessibility during use is important. I don't want to be fumbling to turn the thing off if something has gone wrong. Soft start I don't think you touched on. I find it useful but not a deal breaker. LED Lights; I wouldn't buy any router of any size without LED lights today. Why any manufacturer would make a router without them is beyond me. Even some of the supposedly top of the line routers are missing LED lights like the entire Festool router line. 40 years ago I had a Craftsman Commercial router with a light. Granted it was powered by a pair of AA batteries and not too bright but for 40 years ago that was something that no other router had and didn't have for decades.

Wow i’m blown away about this review 😱 I was just looking to buy a new one but did’nt know witch one to get ! Man this helped me a lot thx 😉🇨🇦

I have the Ryobi have no problem with bit /colet yes the removal of the base was hard to get used to but not that bad thanks for your reviews

@mwinner101

3 жыл бұрын

Ryobi makes good stuff.

@christopheralexander8402

3 жыл бұрын

Just about to say the same thing. My Ryobi has chewed through Bloodwood, Purpleheart, Leopardwood, Marblewood, and many more very dense hardwoods without a single problem

@adamcallaway3762

3 жыл бұрын

I originally had ryobi and loved them but work and feel great but they don’t hold up to excessive hard use so changed to Milwaukee.

@youtubechannel12371

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! Here's what the small population of die-hard brand-loyalists don't realize - no one is going to making the argument that Ryobi is the best tools money can buy, but that doesn't mean they are bad or "throwaway" tools by any means. I'm convinced these people (the ones that go on the internet to bash Ryobi) are people that: 1. Haven't actually owned any Ryobi Tools. This used to be me. I was very skeptical go to Ryobi, because I thought the same. Then I bought a few tools because I'm not a professional craftsman and the price. I was very surprised with their performance. No complaints. 2. Have some weird fanboy ego wrapped up in their choice of tools. They want to buy the expensive tools, talk poorly about Ryobi and brag about their trivial other brand choice to feel better about themselves. These were the kids who made fun of their friends for having an older-model Xbox... but now all grown up and new "toys" of choice. Professionals (that don't advocate the mentality above) realize its not the tool but the talent. They encourage the use of 'entry' grade tools for... beginners and non-professionals. No judgment, no egos involved. It just makes sense. You don't need to buy a 4x4 dually full-size truck to get groceries on the weekend. If someone wants that, there's certainly nothing wrong with it. Same goes for best-of professional-grade tools for weekend-warriors and DIYers. You can buy DeWalt everything, but it's not a necessity to get the job done. *The reality is that, generally speaking, Ryobi makes great, affordable tools that are arguably the best bang-for-buck option out there. I'm confident they meet the needs of 99% of the average consumer.* If someone is a professional craftsman, maybe don't go Ryobi. You likely want/need the best-of-the-best. We'd probably all agree on that. But It's like being a racecar driver and saying that a sedan is a "throwaway" car because it doesn't go as fast. I use DeWalt for the the more heavy use, precision/power required tools (planer, miter saw, table saw) that I want to last as long as possible. However, Ryobi allowed me to get my foot in the door due to affordability; otherwise I would have sat on the side-lines because I couldn't afford the entry fee. As I continue to grow my skill, I will definitely be sticking with Ryobi for the bulk of my other tools, as I don't see any reason to spend double or triple the price just so I can represent a brand that doesn't care about me.

@jeremyolson6294

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, sounds like he unfortunately got a dud. It's definitely not a *phenomenal* router, but very good for the price. The base removal is stupid, but I rarely ever need to remove it. I just change the bit with the base still on there.

I had the Ryobi as I'm invested in their platform already. It's too bad you had the collet issue as I wanted to see you stress test it. I've been mostly happy with mine although there are some annoyances. It's not my primary router, so I've probably only used it on about 10 projects so far.

Great video and topic, as always. I've only used the Bosch Colt 1 HP (previous version to what you're using, as you mentioned) and the DeWalt 611, and came to the same conclusion you did. They are both excellent, but the DeWalt's height adjustability makes it worth the price difference. If you can't afford the DeWalt, the Bosch is still an excellent choice, no question about it. I've added a little CNC and tried both the DeWalt and Bosch in it, expecting to keep the Bosch in the CNC and use the DeWalt freehand for its adjustability. In the end, I kept the DeWalt in the CNC and bought a 2nd DeWalt for freehand work. Great idea for setting up a router with a specific bit and depth and using it for common tasks. I'll be doing that with the Bosch and a chamfer bit in the near future.

nice and brutally honest comparison. I use Dewalt cordless version, and I have both fixed base and plunge base. that threaded cylinder adjustability is indeed a genius hack. I also bought the round transparent plastic for the fixed base, because sometimes you want the base to be round. I also have 2 fences / rails, because they intentionally made one fit to only one of the bases type (that's annoying). the standard bronze bushings fit to DeWalt which is perfect. after few years of heavy use, I would buy it again. however for my router table, I went with the biggest Triton, because it can be adjusted from the table top, without buying a router lift. it is a workhorse, with plenty of power. changing bits also above the table, with very good locking mechanism. and after few years of using the Triton, I would buy it again.

Thanks for the video and for the great comparison. I expected the Dewalt and the Bosch to come out on top and hope to get the Bosch at some point. I was disappointed with your perspective on the Ryobi. I have that router and have been using it without issue. I have noticed it can flex, and, as a TTI product, it has similar problems to the Rigid. However, I have never experienced the issue with it holding the bit. It is odd to tighten because you need a wrench and have to hold a button to lock the spindle shaft in place, but it seems to hold bits just fine for me. As for power, it has been able to handle everything I have done with it, which includes softwoods, hardwoods, and plywood. From a budget perspective, it is a great option. It eats battery fast, though. Just my $0.02 for whatever it is worth.

@DougMcHone

2 жыл бұрын

I have the Ryobi as well and everything you say here is spot on. The handle of it seems to be... I don't know... less ergonomic than it should be?

Solid overview. Thanks for doing this. It also reinforced my decision to go Bosch on all my routers several years ago. I will certainly give DeWalt a look now.

Great review and I’m happy to know I bought your second best router. Thanks for putting this out there.

Shouldn’t you unplug the router to change a bit, therefore the lights would not blind you? Just saying, great reviews

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

You should. I would bet 98% of people don't, myself included.

@stevenbartholomew9749

3 жыл бұрын

I always unplug my router to change bits because i always imagine it turning on and chewing a hole in my hand .. That being said i dont unplug my table saw when i change my blade... But the switch is much further away and harder to accidentally turn on

@CBCITALY

3 жыл бұрын

I always unplug my Bosch colt 1.25 to change my bits.

@m.d.d.3051

3 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools I always do. And I unplug the table saw for blade changes, too. I like my digits, and I like my hands. And accidents happen because people don't do the things necessary to stay safe. Edit: Oddly, however, I don't unplug my router table cord. Though, I do turn both the router switch and table/dust collection switches off. Double blind there, I guess ...

@np-bl7qc

3 жыл бұрын

I unplug anything I'm servicing. I like my hands.

I agree, the Dewalt is my favorite of my 6 routers, especially with the excellent plunge base option. Bosh comes in second. The ridgid was a disappointment. The bits tend to slip in the collet and it’s difficult to remove from the base for bit changes. Also the led is lackluster compared to Dewalt’s double LED. The Dewalt plunge base is a masterpiece of precision. If your doing any detail work such as inlays the Dewalt should be your only choice.

@hectorg.7282

Жыл бұрын

I do not trust the Dewalt brand. I have heard good things about it but it has not been my experience.

I have the corded Makita and I COMPLETELY agree about the adjustment in that it’s not very user-friendly, but rock solid when set. I bought the kit with all the attachments so we’ll see if that helps. The one thing you didn’t mention about the corded Makita is that it doesn’t have a light, while the cordless Makita does. I like to see what the router is doing so my work-around is a battery operated gooseneck light, which isn’t ideal so I may wind up getting cordless Makita. If I were to do it over I would get the Dewalt without hesitation.

Excellent video. It’s very useful. Thanks for taking the time and the effort to put it together. It’s appreciated.

For what it’s worth, my Makita (corded version) is much tighter on the adjustment and came with a regular base, plunge base, angle base, and offset, all for less $$ than my Bosch Colt. I have an older version of the Colt and it gets knocked out of adjustment any time you put pressure on it. I wonder if it just comes down to the fit/finish of each individual item in these mass produced tools... Thanks for the video, fantastic as always!

@frenchyroastify

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I have that old Colt. It's that cast aluminum micro adjustment half threads that always slip. Glad they changed it.

@henseleric

2 жыл бұрын

Right -the Makita lever is *adjustable* ffs.

your top pick was interesting. I did alot of research before I purchased my compact router a few years ago and came to the same conclusion. I have 6 routers in total right now. 2 Festool, 2 Bosch, 1 Triton, and the compact Dewalt. By far, the one I grab the most is the Dewalt because it is so simple to use and easy to adjust, plenty of power, and the best line of sight of any of them. I dont ever hear anyone else talk about how easy it is to adjust and that is one of its best features. I also never even thought about flipping the base around on it...but now I will add that to the arsenal.

Thank you for doing this video JKM. I have over the years purchased far to many routers becuase I have not done the buy one cry one plan on my routers. I did eventually purchase the battery version of the dewalt in your video. I LOVE THAT THING. I does everything I have ever asked it to do and it does it accuratly and repatable. Well worth the dollars. Thanks again JKM. Cheers.

I just bought a Makita set that included all the extras. It was one of the best value options for a quality router here in Australia (where I am anyway). It has been fine for my uses so far - so that's keeping my buyer's remorse *mostly* at bay for now, after hearing your fair & sensible critique, haha. Thankfully I'm never in a rush, and I've never had a better one - so I don't know what i'm missing out on, and just work around the shortcomings I guess.

@Patrick-857

2 жыл бұрын

The Makita is good. It's just slightly annoying to do fine adjustments on. I run both Makita and Dewalt battery platforms and I chose the Dewalt. No regrets. The Dewalt multi tool on the other hand is absolutely terrible. The worst thing about it is that it could have been great, but for a few design flaws. Got the new Makita DTM52 and I am blown away by it.

My Ryobi holds the bit perfectly secure. Maybe you got a lemon, it happens from time to time with any brand of any product. I did have the same problem with my Ryobi that you had with the Milwakee - on my first cut with it, it bound up because the router slipped down through the base to max depth as it was cutting. After I looked it over I realized it was because that screw needed to be tightened, and once I did that it became tightly locked and secure. I bought the Rybobi because I already had Ryobi batteries, and because of the price. I'll eventually upgrade all of my cheap Ryobi tools to something better (probably Dewalt, I already have their 20v Max brushless circular saw and impact driver and love them), but I'm not a heavy user, to the Ryobi stuff will do for now. BTW, you should always unplug/remove batt from any power tool when changing bits or blades. Even an expert like yourself with years of experience can occasionally have a hand slip and should take those precautions. I know it seems like telling someone who's been driving for thirty years to keep their hands at ten and two, or telling someone who's been golfing for thirty years to follow through, or someone who's been shooting for thirty years to keep their booger hook off the bang switch, but even the most experienced people sometimes need reminders on the basics of safety.

@mattrinne

3 жыл бұрын

Probably the reason for the switch he doesn't like. Harder to accidentally turn it on while changing a bit upside down.

@thomasbrown7511

2 жыл бұрын

Ive had a similar experience with my Ryobi. Holds bit just fine, but I did need to tighten the screw to get it to hold solid. To address his issue with taking the base off, Just set the router down bit facing upwards and remove the base, then you arent having to "catch" it before it falls, it easy to do one handed.

Thank you so much! I have a couple of routers but wanted one dedicated to trim, you answered a ton of questions!

For what it's worth, the Milwaukee plunge base is absolutely available as a stand alone accessory. I bought mine after the fact that way. Acmetools, toolnut, plenty of others carry it and some with a free shipping threshold it will cover on its own.

I use Ryobi because I’m on a tight budget, and I’ve never had a problem with the bit leveling off or shooting out. Though to be fair, I did lose the wrench and I use a vice grip to tighten the bit down. Taking off the depth adjuster is annoying, though.

@flashwashington2735

7 ай бұрын

Quality Assurance? Even the best have embarrassing pieces, if rarely. No matter, you should always give the manufacturer the chance to honor their warranty. Many do not or leave on a shelf and first use is post warranty, well whose fault is that? Then they'll whine how they have useless junk on their shelf and will never buy from brand x again. Of course, If your doing a EweBoob tool review, it doesn't matter, plus the Ryobi suffered other disqualifiers. God bless.

This is a brilliant video, Jonathan. I’m the sort of person who waits and saves for something, rather than just jumping in and buying a basic option, so it’s nice to know that the DeWalt is a great choice to have. I know a lot of people struggle to choose between brands and I’ve seen you recommend Makita many times, so it’s great to hear you live up to your words about impartiality and recommend something else. Again, this has been a superb video, because I for one, am unable to afford to make a mistake and buy something that is poor quality and have to buy twice, plus it’s super hard to find somewhere in the UK to try them (especially in these strange times). If possible, would you be doing a Toolsday on full-size 1/2” routers too, please? I’d really appreciate your thoughts on those. Thanks 🙏

@alfredomarquez9777

Жыл бұрын

I FULLY undrrstand your point Chis, I have several Makita tools, and most are excellent, EXCEPT my Makita corded 8 1/4" circular saw, model 5008MG, which, despite its highly touted "Magnesium" base, has too much flex in it, and thus is incapable of holding the saw disc true to 90° or whatever... it takes very little pressure down on the handle to deform it. Bad design, not fully tested. That is WHY I buy the best of EACH tool REGARDLESS of brand, because NO tool manufacturer has ALL its models correctly executed. I don't care if my tools are of diffetent colors. Buying all the tools in the same "Fanboy" color, almost guarantees that two or three of the tools Won't be the best compared to other brand.

Thanks for the outstanding reviews on the routers! Great info in plain English.

Wow! Your best video yet. It really shows that you did actual work with these routers instead of pencil whipping a review like we normally get from the kids in a cubicle. I just did a job that required almost milling machine accuracy with a longer bit and I too found that the Dewalt was the only machine capable of producing acceptable results. I like the lighter weight of the Makita, but the more robust construction, larger bearings and better design and features mean I reach for the Dewalt every time. Great video! I know you really invested a lot in this one, but it really shows. Thanks.

I've had the Dewalt for over a year, used it on everything from wood work to milling out aluminum and its never let me down. I do have to let it cool down some with milling aluminum but that's expected since it runs at highest speed and for much longer than most wood projects.

Well that’s it my bloomers are bunched. My Mustafalarri Router has been going strong since 1996. Just kidding I’m a Makita fan boy

@darell9751

3 жыл бұрын

Those are good routers. They make a mean espresso also.

@katzmosestools

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@abdomination

2 жыл бұрын

Wish Home Depot would be regular and easier to get their military discount like I get it at Lowe's. Then I wouldn't have to get my Dewalt for a discount and I could be a Makita fanboy too hah.

I recently purchased the Dewalt battery powered router and I love every part of it, the only drawback is the 5 amp battery makes it heavy. Which in some cases can be a benefit, it the router decides to rise up during the cut the weight of the battery makes it less likely.

Great comparison and review Jonathan! I had the old bosch colt and wasn't crazy about the bit changes; the spindle lock was weak and would always slip, so I defaulted to using two wrenches. My current trim router army consists of four of the milwaukee M18 routers and two of the corded ridgids. I haven't had that issue with any of the milwaukee routers; they've been rock solid for me. As for the ridgid, those are my dedicated edge forming trimmers. I don't mind the switch at all and haven't had any issues with the adjustments. I thought about getting the dewalt at one point, but for the money I may as well get a full size router (bosch 1617EVS is amazing!). I may grab a couple of those new bosch colt routers during a sale.

Honestly, I love both the Bosch AND the Ridgid equally. The Ridgid has always really SUPER surprised me with how solid of a little router it is. It has a decent amount of power and it’s just an overall solid unit. There have even been times where I found myself reaching for my ridgid rather than the Bosch and it comes with some pretty great accessories including a !square base! It’s only downfall is that stupid top mounted switch, it sucks, but for the price it can’t be beat.

@BearLeeAlive

Жыл бұрын

I have the Rigid and am ready to throw it away. Tough to adjust depth, but even worse the depth changes as you do lots of edges with a roundover bit. I do have two larger routers that are great.

@justinkinter8651

Жыл бұрын

@@BearLeeAlive yeah I definitely don’t think the Rigid has any place in a professional shop, that’s for sure.

Keep in mind, TTI owns ryobi, milwaukee and ridgid. They don't necessarily "share" designs because they're all independent companies.... but it makes sense that they seem to have the same issues. Also, i actually really love my ryobi. I'm surprised you had such large issues with the collet, mine has been solid (and i got it for $45)

@mangeload

Жыл бұрын

Found mine foe $35 today

Great video! We don't see enough direct comparisons like this. Like you pointed out routers, especially compact routers can vary significantly. I have the corded Makita. Got it as a kit with the fixed and plunge bases and a cheap edge guide. Mine doesn't seem to have the problem with the fixed base but that doesn't mean every other one doesn't LOL! I did have an issue with depth creep on the plunge base but it was all my fault for A) not tightening the collet enough and B) not tightening the depth stop enough. Rookie mistakes. After figuring it out it's not a problem at all and I love the plunge base. Just my 2¢

I liked this review. I have the other Bosch colt and the dewalt. The colt is my favorite. I carve pictures like scroll saw pictures but I use the colt with cnc bits, and do resin inlay pictures and inset and outset letters. Some I carve uptown four hours straight and the colt is a true champ! I am going to try the one with the light in the video. Thank you so much 😊

Jokes on you , I keep my bloomers starched to reduce bunching. I have the ryobi and the corded ridgid. My ryobi has had no issues with the collet but you were dead on about the base removal and ridgid’s clamp issues. Great video!

Thanks, man. I literally had the Ridgid one in my Home Depot app cart. I'm deleting it and putting in the Bosch. UPDATE: I ended up spending a little more and got the DeWalt for $140. Thanks for the great review, Jonathan!

@darrinlindsey

3 жыл бұрын

If you can hold off, the DeWalt price will be coming down. They over sold their projection in 2020, which completely depleted their inventory. Once they got some back in stores, the price was $199. As they've gotten more out, it's now down to $169. They sold for $129 before the unexpected depletion of stock.

@The_Ol_Bizzaroo

3 жыл бұрын

@@darrinlindsey thanks for response. It looks like HD and Lowe's are totally sold out, but I can get one from my local hardware store for $140. I'll hold off until I really need it and see if the price comes down.

@darrinlindsey

3 жыл бұрын

@@The_Ol_Bizzaroo Yeah, DeWalt is struggling to replenish the stock. I guess they just have so many different products to produce, they can't just focus on getting back up to speed with the dwp611.

@The_Ol_Bizzaroo

2 жыл бұрын

​@@darrinlindsey, I took your (and JKM's) advice and went for the DeWalt. Found it at my local hardware store for $140.

@darrinlindsey

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Ol_Bizzaroo Do you know the deal with opening up the back of the base? Makes a huge difference in the extraction of the saw dust. Makeawoodsign here on KZread, have a video instruction.

Fabulous comparison... bought my DeWalt *before* I watched this, but always great to have it confirmed (bought the *battery* operated DeWalt, and it's absolutely sick!). And, thanks for the Bits 'n Bits discount... about to order a monster compression from them, and it certainly helps! Great job!

Great review, thank you so much. You managed to get it out in time for me to change my router purchasing decision to the Dewalt

Fantastic breakdown. I'm pondering getting out of the Ryobi system and this video didn't deter me. But I'm thinking about getting into Milwaukee and so it was great to hear the good (great?) and the drawback on that one. I can't get behind DeWalt cordless tools, but I do really like my DeWalt corded tools. You really pushed that yellow one and it's definitely something to think about. But I really enjoy my Bosch full size router and would most likely pick up the Bosch or Milwaukee when the time comes. Keep up the great work!!

@Devin_Perkins

3 жыл бұрын

I have the dewalt corded router just like JKM reviewed, it is just as good, if not better than he described.

@adambrown7500

3 жыл бұрын

I have that same Milwaukee router and it has none of the sloppiness shown in the video, I may have just gotten lucky and got a perfect one I guess, but there is none and has been a fantastic tool.

@adamcallaway3762

3 жыл бұрын

I did the same thing converted all my tools, well most of them, from ryobi to Milwaukee and glad I did. I did experience some of the issues mentioned but played with the adjusted screw to find the sweet spot and haven’t had an issue since. The bit locking button could be better in my opinion but overall it feels great in use with the standard base or plunge base.

@BeauChampion

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamcallaway3762 I appreciate the feedback!

"You have to reach around and it's very stiff." - OH, C'MON!!! You are doing it deliberately now. Ha, ha!

@jaymzx0

3 жыл бұрын

I expected at least a wink or a zoom cut on that comment!

Interesting review. Probably one of my least used tools in the shop. I have burned up 2 full size routers over 50 years and have replaced them with 1 full size and 1 trim router. I have built furniture in the past but not in the last 20 years. Now it is just small shelves, camping equipment, garage storage solutions. I have the trim router dedicated with a chamfer bit or round over bit and use it just to ease the sharp edges. I have the Bosch and the Ryobi and neither one has ever let me down.