What is your favorite of the 1923 Grand Prix cars?

@milkman4137

2 жыл бұрын

The tank 100%. Beautiful little aerodynamic drivable box

@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X

2 жыл бұрын

The fact you can ask us this question! I am tired of random single cars in racing sims which can only be used for hotlapping. This mod is exactly what sim racing should be.

@KaigaiKitsune

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely the Avions-Voisin. They really thought outside the box and stuck to their strengths with their background in aviation and sleeve-valve technology. The C6 with its innovative propeller-powered water pump and aluminium body is such an oddball of a car that I can't help but respect it. Everything from its aircraft-wing design to its eccentric, liberal interpretation of the rules is just so quintessentially post-WWI French, and I mean really -- just look at it. How can you not love such a wacky thing, even at the time.

@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515

2 жыл бұрын

The Tank.

@cmbaileytstc

2 жыл бұрын

Between Delage and Sunbeam

I really hope one day you can quit your day job if you want to and end up doing this full-time. Selfishly I want to see way more from you... Your content is brilliant.

@TheGreatIndoors1979

2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see RaceSimCentral still having a presence online after all these years.

@RaceSimCentral

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatIndoors1979 I relaunched it in 2019. Thanks for remembering. :)

@piericroussel7479

2 жыл бұрын

@@RaceSimCentral I remember picking your livery in LFS way back in 2005, thought all the forums and all were dead by then (not many things pre-2010 stood the test of time).

@RaceSimCentral

2 жыл бұрын

@@piericroussel7479 yeah :) in 2005 I started working at iRacing so I left the site to the other admins and unfortunately they had backups fail (or fail to backup) five times. I got the domain back a few years ago. I'm Tim, who founded Legends Central that became RSC.

@raisin39

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent📀📀📀📀📀

23:34 Some of those bricks are actually from the legendary Brickyard that is Indianapolis, they were added to the start in 2011. I’ve been coming to Goodwood every year since 2010 (besides 2020) and will be at the Revival this year too for the first time. Looking forward to the historic racing there immensely.

now we just need more 1920's (or even older) circuits.

@legoferrari14

2 жыл бұрын

For now though there is a nice variety of 60's and 50's road circuits to tide us over such as Bremgarten and the Nurburgring

@danielkarmy4893

2 жыл бұрын

@@legoferrari14 There's something beautiful about driving, say, the Rolland-Pillain, around Bremgarten and realising that even in the '60s, the car you're driving was almost prehistoric!

@flashpeter625

2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure if road simulators have appropriate surface physics for the old circuits. The surface these cars usually raced on was more like glued (or just wet) gravel rather than asphalt as we know it today. And if there was a hard surface somewhere, it was often concrete. The Nurburgring, finished in 1927, was one of the first circuits with a more stable surface on the whole track. But still well into the 1930's it was not a norm for racetracks to be well paved.

A Goodwood run in every car you test should absolutely be a staple of your channel. It would be fantastic to compare.

I work with vintage and prestige cars, the last one that rolled out of our workshop was a 1927 Bentley 4.5ltr, I absolutely love having these cars in Assetto and I love that you make such thoughtful and fun content about them and lots of other interesting motorsport history as well. Keep up the good work! (I still hope for a decent quality Bentley 4.5ltr mod, as it did win LeMans in 1928)

I've worked as a steward at Goodwood Revival and Festival of Speed for a few years now and it's really strange to see both the circuit and the hillclimb rendered virtually like this! Love the video, great driving!

@legoferrari14

2 жыл бұрын

With so many historical cars consigned to either the museums of the world, reserved to private collections, or in the worst cases buried in the ground lost to time, sim racing allows these historic icons to be at least somewhat recaptured in their former glory.

The way you explained that opening intro was fantastic! One of the most underrated channels on this platform keep it up GPlaps!!

@douglasdixon524

Күн бұрын

Absolutely, my father was born in 1918, my mother 1929. He's correct in saying that 100 years really isn't that long ago. Friday 14 June 2024

man this channel never fails to amaze. so niché, yet so educational, and weirldy entertaining

The Voisin is my favorite, how cool of a car. Super light with the little prop on the front and staggered axle widths make it so cool. As well as the seating height of the driver and the rectangular wheel almost make it a tiny view into the future of motorsport.

@legoferrari14

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention as the longest car by some margin, the Voisin is the closest to modern F1 proportions.

I wish they had a good version of the Bugatti type 51 (the one I tried has bad ffb imo) and man I wouuld love to have the Fiat S76 . I know it’s older but what a car ! Nice video !

This reminds me that between the wars, it was perfectly normal for Grand Prix cars and drivers to take part in hillclimbs too. Today with machinery and drivers being so specialized for the task, it is hard to imagine the top level entries from circuits having a go at a hillclimb race, and vice versa. On a regional level, this still happens, sprint circuit races and hillclimbs sometimes share competitors. But what would a hillclimb track built to modern F1 specs even look like...?

@egoalter1276

2 жыл бұрын

One thinks the lack of safety regulations in the period also plays a part in this.

@jcgabriel1569

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and the drivers of the day would pretty much drive or compete in anything... For example, at the 1934 Monaco GP (IIRC), drivers Raymond Sommer, Rene Dreyfus, and Whitney Straight skipped one day of practice runs in order to compete at La Turbie hillclimb in nearby Nice. They also used the cars they'll be racing. Another one is an endurance race at Spa in 1933. Raymond Sommer (again) started the race in an Alfa Romeo 8C Zagato, and immediately tried to open up a big lead over the other competitors (most of which were also driving Alfa Romeo 8Cs). But there's a reason for this... Sommer's opening stint is his _only_ stint in the car. He drove for hours, trying to open up a big gap to the pursuers, then hand it over to his teammate, who will drive the car for the remaining distance, _as he had to be at Reims the next day for practice in a GP race there._ His teammate, Henri Stoffel (I believe), basically ended up driving for longer, and on the last few hours, relatively exhausted, he ended up ceding the lead and ending up finishign second...

4:09 I believe the saying against hydraulic brakes was "Metal to metal from brake to pedal!" Someone correct me if I have the quote wrong.

Its always a good day when GP laps uploads! keep doing what your doing because its great!

Another awesome video, loved the intro. My grandmother was born in 1899 and lived until 2005, so for me 1923 isn't something from a forgotten past. And these cars are a must have, such a blast to race with. Fonteny has and 'old roads' skin which make that track even more perfect for these beauties :) And someone on Reddit recommended me the Napoli track which is also perfect for this :)

Loving that opening monologue

Always found the Goodwood hillclimb interesting. Probably not driving at 100%, but it's still interesting to see how cars from such radically different eras and disciplines compare to each other. I mean where else are you gonna see a NASCAR truck, 60s F1 car and Pikes Peak prototype on the same course?

@legoferrari14

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's fair to call Goodwood the Monaco Grand Prix of Hillclimbs; not the most competitive event but very prestigious.

idk why but the scene with the bugatti with the lil dude in it at 15:20 is just so adorable to me, he's literally just vibing

Your editing and cinematography continues to improve, and really helps sell sim-racing as a way to highlight automotive history in an interactive way, beyond the limitations of more passive media such as books and video documentaries.

I would love to see (maybe 50s/60s) cars for Pikes Peak ;) Again love the history lessons! Gotta say the airplane car has to be my favorite, the propeller is awesome

Thank you for another amazing video - enjoyed every minute!

Spectacular upload. The cars and track look stunning.

What a unique idea for showing off these mods. Absolutely in love with this. Thanks GP!

Thank you very much for this vid highlighting the history and the mods! Amazing as always

Absolutely wonderful series of mods, very happy to hear the sixth car is here.

great to see your subs go up steadily! This is the best up and coming simracing channel! keep doing what you do

Amazing video! Thanks to this, I realised I hadn't downloaded the A22 yet, and I had to get it instantly. Keep it up!

I unfortunately missed it, but the centennial of the 1923 French Grand Prix at Tours is this month, and was specifically 8 days ago on the 2nd. A full century, a tenth of a millennium has passed since that race, and indeed still, I feel it was not that long ago.....

I really enjoy the attention you put to this video and I’m a huge enthusiast of these cars. Thanks!

Your videos are amazing dude... As a history and motorsport lover they are always so informative! Keep up the good work!

I'm late to this one and don't know whether I'm more in awe of your driving or your editing skills 🙂 Another wonderfully entertaining and informative essay!

Absolutely love these mods. Sound, physics, visuals, skins... Everything is top notch quality. I play with these cars regularly vs AI. Had surprisingly fun time while trying oval tracks. Nicecuppatea's approach is something I would love to see from developers again. I miss fully fledged classes (other than GT3) in racing games/sims. I recently replayed GT Legends with ABB mods - amazing stuff. more than 10 different cars per each class. Much better than "historic touring cars" with 2/3 (up to 5 if we're lucky) cars novadays.

Your Videos are awesome as always. You got me hooked up with those cars. If you haven't done it yet, drive afull grid of those cars on the Donington 37 track, it is so mush fun, has become my favourite track.

Absolutely sublime to watch! Fantastic video 👍 the Delage may win the beauty awards but the Voisin is just brilliant, like something out of the 'Wacky races' 🏁🍾😉

Gosh, I wish Jake had been my History teacher back in high school. I might have actually paid attention! Great content, as always.

God i love these videos. Keep it up man. You have some of the best story based videos out there. 1923 was the year my grandpa was born and i use to love to hear stories about when he was a kid. The stuff they use to do, crazy how most of them made it to adulthood.

Fantastic video as always! I think that these cars are a blast to drive at Linas Monthlery. That track is a very nice combination of high speed straights, slow and technical corners and it also has a huge banked corner. It's the track that screams twenties GP racing the most in my opinion, and maybe it deserves to be featured in one of your videos 😁😁

@Dethmeister

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I like that track.

@cunt666

2 жыл бұрын

Ignore me leaving a comment to remind myself about this track

I'm a sim racer enthusiast. Though I only have Assetto and Project Cars 1 and 2 (latter: ew ew ew). I do play games that I own "under the sleeve" so to say that I get into and race now and then. Only exhibition races. Not a pro here, but dude... I do enjoy the cars, the sounds, the skiddings, the adrenaline, the graphics (old and modern sims) and on top of it all, the landscapes. You really do see how much passion and love was put into the games. I've found myself running into your channel now and then after getting back from work and I jumped into PC1 and F1 Challenge 99 02 just to race for old times. :) Great content, please keep it up! And may we find ourselves racing on the pavement some day!

Dude I have to say I just found your channel (not sure how the hell it took this long) but wanted to say your editing and narration are top notch. I spent years in entertainment of varying forms and I’d put you right up top with some of the best narrator’s I’ve worked with.

Great video and great cars! The only small downer is the engine sound.

Evening GPLaps! Great video as always. Just a few notes on French pronunciation: Rolland-Pilain - "Row-lon Pill-lon".with the final "n" barely there. Tours - "Tor" Victor Hemery - "Veek-tor 'Emeree" Albert Guyot - "Al-bear Ghee-yo" Laboratoire - "Lab-oar-a-twarh"

Jake - I never thought I'd say this to a man - I am in love with your voice 😀 The way you do your videos is second to none now and GPLaps is my favourite YT channel by far. Keep on doing these kind of magic history lessons.

Amazing cars. AC has it all. Great video. I will try and see how close I can get to your times. Saw the FIAT and the Bugatti at FOS one year.

He he, love this. We need you to do the Goodwood course in every era up to today

Love this video and would love to see the career of Richard Axelsen (Ritchie's French grandfather) at some of the great old circuits in 1923

Quality content, subbed.

would love to see more Hillclimb stuff. maybe comparing cars from the same category just like this. always fun to see

These cars on the Napoli 1936 gp circuit are awesome. I had to download them all after watching this, and racing them at Napoli is great fun. Personal favourite is the Sunbeam

Hillclimbs, or Sprint Hillclimbs are quite a popular motorsport here in the UK, very affordable and fairly easy enough to get into, I used to compete at a place called Gurston Down in an RX8, loved it! Now even my Mum competes on a sidecar all across England.

You really should write a book your prose and word play is fabulous

Another cracking video Jake. Not getting much sim racing done just now so it`s great to have your vids to watch. Sadly, some of the links for the cars are not working over at RD. Will see if I can contact Nicecuppatea over there.

@tjc7815

2 жыл бұрын

The Sunbeam, Rolland-Pilain, Fiat 805-405 and Delage links over at RD are not working for me. Anyone else had problems?

@GPLaps

2 жыл бұрын

hi there, i just tried and didn't have any problem downloading the sunbeam from racedepartment. maybe something on your end?

@tjc7815

2 жыл бұрын

@@GPLaps Hi Jake. I contacted Nicecuppatea at RD and he said the same. Don`t know what it can be at my end but guess it must be something. I`ll try again but it`d be a shame to not get them. Cheers.

Great job !!!

15 seconds in and I am already liking this video.

Daaaaaaaaaaamn, 7 hours after the video drops, and there's not a single dislike

Quite entertaining when you claimed the CG is higher on the Sunbeam; the Sunbeam has the CG at the same height as the other cars in the mod. I suppose it illustrates placebo effect well.

It would be cool to have the option of a second person sitting in the other seat since back then they would race with an engineer onboard

@houseking9211

2 жыл бұрын

the modder said he wanted to but that you wouldn't be able to animate the second guy so it looked like you were driving around with a dead body in your car

Best simracer youtuber right here

"A lot of lateral grip in this car" *instantly throws it into the grass* hmm didn't know used car salesmen were working on 1920s grand prix cars now 😂

This is not just a video, this is a handcrafted experience

That Voisin amaze me, such funny car

So fun! I hope they get to 1927 cars and make a version of the Delage Type 15 S 8. I wonder how much more difficult it would be to drive with it’s supercharged straight 8 making twice as much power as this Rolland-Pillain?

@legoferrari14

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I'm hoping Nicecuppatea moves on to the Miller Front Drive; a 1925 Grand Prix car that like its predecessor the 122, was powered by a 2-litre I8, but as the name suggests; it is the first ever front-wheel drive Grand Prix car to compete at the Indy 500, to show the potential that the FF drivetrain had for motor racing; a far cry from the econoboxes that FF is associated with nowadays. Nicecuppatea has already stated his intentions that he wants to produce the '23 Benz RH-Tropfenwagen; the first Grand Prix car with a Mid-Engine Rear-Wheel Drivetrain and the first grand prix car with Independent Suspension All-Round sometime in the future.

@Dethmeister

2 жыл бұрын

@@legoferrari14 Seems like I remember GPLaps has a video where he's driving an old FWD GP car.

@Dethmeister

2 жыл бұрын

@@legoferrari14 Oh, the car I was thinking of turned out to be the much newer 1960 Miker Formula Junior from the Formula Junior cars of Sergio Loro. Fictional name but based on a real car, from what I understand.

@jcgabriel1569

2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing not much. The 1927 Delage may be a bit more powerful, but it's low and light, that could help the handling...

Right, I've never driven any of the cars, me being an rFactor guy, currently researching and testing a mod bound to be released for rFactor (edit: to be clear, I'm researching and testing on behalf of the mod group). But I loved the fact that this mod represents an obscure period of motor racing; the period almost after the World War I, because I think the cars were gradually breaking out of the big, tall, unwieldy-looking shapes and designs of the so-named Edwardian period. And for this, I am giving the modder who made this a big thumbs up. So, for me, picking a favourite out of the cars is really tricky. But I think I'll stick to three; the Fiat, the Delage, and then, the Sunbeam. At that time, these three manufacturers were definitely at the cutting edge of racing car design. Coincidentally, those three were the faster cars of the group...

@legoferrari14

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of the Sunbeam, the Sunbeam was the only car of the six to have all of their entrants finish the race; and if it weren't for a mechanical fault that slowed Kenelm Lee Guinness' car, then it would've been a Sunbeam 1-2-3.

@jcgabriel1569

2 жыл бұрын

@@legoferrari14 Perhaps my favourite Sunbeam of the bunch would be the later Sunbeam Tiger V12 (well, it's outside the scope of this mod and video). A powerful car for its time which is reported to have pretty good handling, which is rare, I think, for what's basically a Formula Libre car...

you should race them at Timaru raceway tight track but think it might be good for those cars or Mansfield

Hello mate, are you going to take part in the 1923 VAC championship?

please do more nascar from the 60s and 80s

did nicecuppatea ever make the 1923 French GP track, too?

You should just do a time in the iDR as a troll for the Hillclimb

The Delage Type 2 LCV actually looked very different from the mod. What ever that is Supposed to be its not a 2 LCV... The model in the Game is Modeled After a Delage Bequet special, which is based on a Delage Type 2 Chassis The original Type 2 LCV is a low slung car, with a very destinctive square radiator and bonnet.

@jcgabriel1569

2 жыл бұрын

The Delage 2LCV in its original 1923 guise looked like how it was portrayed here. The square radiator and bonnet was a 1924 redesign. The Bequet Delage special is a 1923 version 2LCV. Was modified in 1926 to have the aircraft engine it still has to this day.

Well done for not binning any of them!

14:14 NANI?!?! KANSEI DORIFTO

3:59 Mechanic Emily Pilain? Cool. Oh, looked it up it's Emile heh.

@timothystamm3200

2 жыл бұрын

I know a few people of that name who wouldn't have been happy about that.

@GPLaps

2 жыл бұрын

Did I pronounce it wrong?

@lpc1967

2 жыл бұрын

@@GPLaps It's more EM-ILL or EM-EEL. French and English, being related to each other, sometimes share the habit of chucking silent letters into words just to make things confusing. Respectfully yours, Mr. Cholmondeley-St.John-Beauchamp ;)

@timothystamm3200

2 жыл бұрын

@@GPLaps Essentially think of it without the E at the end of the word.

@Dethmeister

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothystamm3200 , The e *_is_* at the end of the word.

Why Goodwood hillclimb has no hill?

The car has a speedometer in kilometers per hour next to the battery volt meter

I must say the biggest letdowns is the engine sounds. For me it's second only to the handling.

Does anyone know why all of the prewar gp cars have massive amounts of positive front camber? Cannot find a good answer on google

@GPLaps

Жыл бұрын

It makes the steering lighter because the load isnt on the front wheel bearings as much

@MrScheisenberg

Жыл бұрын

@@GPLaps and now I am educated, thank you sir

The fiat sounds like my lawn mower. But its still a very cool car

Fiat 805/405 it's my favourite

Crazy that people saw in black and what back then

These cars give me some “good wood”

Fiat is my favorite. It feels so much more stable than the Delage imo.

I tried this, and I was consistently 2 seconds off your time. I'm ok with that. :)

Awwww...I'm dissapointed... No Marc Axelson (Great Grandfather of Ryan), Michal Shoomaker, or Axel Richardon as the driver's names... Too serious for us Shedbois...

Growly Growly Tank Engines.

@legoferrari14

2 жыл бұрын

Early racing engines are much lower-revving than modern day 2-litre road cars; even those with forced induction.

The fiat is a little more dramatic to drive... It's ITALIAN! :P

Yeah 1923 my dear old mom and dad were teenagers......

@Dethmeister

2 жыл бұрын

Are you 90 years old?

Car sound chek do out of cokpit, it be more better sound ;)

@24:53 Yeah, but the texture quality of the dials sucks donkey. @39:24 It is basically a matter of which do you push harder to the limit. :)

rFactor has better physics than arcade AC. And lots of old cars and tracks to test.

@grandicellichannel

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I respect rFactor so much, but man, if you say that AC is an arcade game you have to make up your mind.

@Dutch-McLarenJk82-

2 жыл бұрын

You can win hundreds of seconds sometimes by sliding the car in rFactor I heard. But calling AC arcade… what is Gran Turismo/Forza Motorsport then? And what about the actual arcades like FH4 and NFS

@oldschoolracinggames5729

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dutch-McLarenJk82- Gran Turismo is fully arcade game, NFS (after NFS 5) is just action game with cars. I’m talking AC arcade comparing to true sims, like rFactor 1 (second is arcade too), GTR2, iRacing, LFS, netKar (by AC developers, yeah, that was true). Many race drivers were training in rFactor, never heard such about Corsa.

@grandicellichannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dutch-McLarenJk82- well said man.

What a unique idea for showing off these mods. Absolutely in love with this. Thanks GP!