Moon Knight is honestly one of those characters where there isn't really a place to start reading His style, storytelling, characterization and even general aesthetic changes with each run. He's remarkably diverse

@AlwaysTheGoat

Жыл бұрын

wrong

@slightlyhoopla4215

Жыл бұрын

Comicstorian said this once now everybody has this opinion. It’s just not true though. Hes changed the same as any other hero. Spider-Man Batman and Superman have all had greater tone and genre changes than Moonie

I’d like to add that while the original run by Doug Moench wrote off his multiple personalities at FIRST, the run quickly made it clear he had DID (there was no hint that it was actually Khonshu’s influence back then) and the theme of Marc losing his identity in the shuffle became an overarching theme throughout it.

@TrillyThough

2 жыл бұрын

So excited for the second omnibus.

@dolier2802

2 жыл бұрын

Also important to note that they incorrectly labelled it schizophrenia, still a great read tho, can't blame a comic in the 80s for not having good representation of mental health, may as well enjoy it for what it is

@richmcgee434

2 жыл бұрын

@@dolier2802 DID wasn't even in the DSM till 1994, when its name was changed from the previous Multiple Personality Disorder. Dissociative disorders were only introduced in the DSM in 1980, which is when the comic first came out - and medical journals of the time were still regularly misdiagnosing MPD and Borderline Personality Disorder as schizophrenia, something that continued for years. The comics were using the terminology (and mistakes) of their day.

@dolier2802

2 жыл бұрын

@@richmcgee434 Yep, exactly, thanks for the extra info too! Didn't know all of that

@richmcgee434

2 жыл бұрын

@@dolier2802 If there's one thing studying the history of mental health teaches, it's that the names change but the problems stay the same.

What I love about Moon Knight is that he is a character who always changes and each run based on him are radically different from each other. Meaning writers can do whatever they want with him and experiment.

Random Thug : “Why can’t I hit you” Moon Knight:”Im not real” Easily my favorite Moon Knight interaction

The Lemire run was my first Moon Knight book, and was pretty much my first comic book that I collected issue to issue (and can blame for causing a very expensive obsession with comics to manifest). it came in a time in my life where I was struggling mentally, and my issues seemed so insignificant next to Mark's that it helped me face them, and I'm in a better place for it. I highly recommend it as a starting point, and then going back to read from Huston's run. feels like flashbacks.

@mickeymouse7726

2 жыл бұрын

Same for me Jeff Lemires Moon Knight comics are awesome man

@weatyzzz4389

2 жыл бұрын

I just finished the LeMire run and started the Huston run but I couldn’t agree more 👍

@Alexanderbendo

Жыл бұрын

Pretty disappointed with the Ellis run, I’ll read Jeff next!

One of my favorite and hopefully not foreshadowing facts about Moon Knight is that Moon Knight once funded his own superhero activities by being an executive producer on a shitty show about Moon Knight. Also, while not the best jumping on point, the current run for Moon Knight is fantastic

@Gabe600

2 жыл бұрын

also in Lemire's run Steve Grant was filming a movie based on Moon Knight for Marvel Studios

@paulmoore5392

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gabe600 Yep lol Moon Knight is definitely an interesting character for sure lol Also the moment when he fought Taskmaster and beat him by crashing the mooncopter into him lol

Warren Ellis' run , Alan Zelentz's run along with the 2006 run are the perfect places to begin with Moon Knight imo

As another topic, I've only read the first two issues of Jeb Mackays moon knight so far, but it's such a fun read and feels like it works really well as a jumping on point for the character. The first issue neatly* explains him, his motives and methods, and his world framed as a conversation with his therapist and I think it works really well. EDIT: Neatly, not nearly

The current run by Mackay is also amazing I’m loving this sun

In addition to that, the new series is a perfect continuation of the Ellis/Shalvey run. While it keeps the tone and MK's characterization of the former, it develops him further while treating him and his condition with a lot of respect. I'm loving it. That said, I never read the Lemire run, the whole "was it all a dream?" thing bogged me down, given that MK is solidly introduced in the Marvel universe, but that's just me being annoying and I'm willing to give it a chance. Great vid, Drake! Love from Brasil!

@skyyswaggstudios2934

2 жыл бұрын

I love it and the Ellis run

@Gabe600

2 жыл бұрын

Lemire's run was the first Moon Knight comic I read and I loved it mainly because the whole time I was just as lost and confused as Marc himself, I reread it recently after reading others Moon Knight comics and it's still pretty good in my opinion.

@RamsTheNameCom

2 жыл бұрын

The Jeff Lemire 2016 Moon Knight ignores his previous established trauma of killing innocent people and children during his mercenary career (which was the original cause for his DID in comic book canon). For those who never read a Moon Knight comic before or don't have a firm understanding of the character, the Jeff Lemire run is a good comic...... But it's not a good Moon Knight comic. Same with the Bendis and Max Bemis Moon Knights.

@skyyswaggstudios2934

2 жыл бұрын

@@RamsTheNameCom im reading the original run rn and tbh id say lemire run is a good moonknight book. Granted this is my third run on the character im reading, but as ive said many times part of what makes moonknight so interesting is how malleable he is, writers get to do whatever they want with him which is really cool imo

@Gabe600

2 жыл бұрын

@@RamsTheNameCom Yeah I disagree on this point Lemire's is not only a good Moon Knight comic but is one of the best ones, not to mention that Ellis had already changed that in the previous run when he made Khonshu the real cause of Marc's DID.

Best starter book is the 2014 one. Just a great book and it solidifies the modern day Moon Knight. 2012 is a good starting point for people who want to be introduced to him through other familiar characters. Overall, start in one of these and you’ll be in love.

Drake's concern about not supporting toxic, violent or bigoted writers is so nice, I love this guy.

@GabrielGarciaF

2 жыл бұрын

@@datanotfoundpleasetryagain3559 what about accountability?

@joeclarke7982

2 жыл бұрын

@@GabrielGarciaF what is accountability? Do you want the man to never be able to make a living in his profession? Or does he have to gravel a certain amount at the altar of social media until he's "forgiven"?

@UltimatePower01

2 жыл бұрын

Comics aren’t solely created by the writer, so punishing the creators involved, is harsh.

@alejandromacias8004

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, let's separate the person from this work, I mean, do you know who assembled your phone? your computer? your shoes? What if they were all "mean" people? Are you going to interrogate and background check everyone that was part of that production chain that created all the things you have, buy, use, and love?

@pendantblade6361

2 жыл бұрын

@@datanotfoundpleasetryagain3559 Except that was IN the video. "Unless he made ammends" is what Drake said.

I personally think that the Moench and Sienkiewicz run is mostly interesting as a way to see Sienkiewicz's art evolve from the standard house style, to where he was when he started working in new mutants, which is one of the great comic runs of the era because of its art (compare issue 1 of moon knight to issue 29 to the demon bear saga in NM). Sienkiewicz is one of the greatest and most interesting artists in the medium, and Moon Knight has some of the things that make him great, while clearly holding back his unique style. (It is also really funny that the run where his art is more experimental is not the one starring a vigilante with DID but the one starring a bunch of teen superheroes)

Use my code DRAKE to get $5 off your delicious, healthy Magic Spoon cereal by clicking this link: magicspoon.thld.co/drake_0322

I’m fairly sure they don’t print Ellis MK anymore, kinda sucks as it’s my favorite run but my guess it will be printed in an omnibus without his name attached sometime soon.

@Bagelsmoker1945

2 жыл бұрын

That kinda sad to be honest

@skyyswaggstudios2934

2 жыл бұрын

Fingers crossed that happens, hate Ellis but that run is super good

@loke6664

2 жыл бұрын

Since Disney owns Marvel nowadays, I wouldn't bet on that. It is that old story, if someone who is/was a jerk wrote something, does that makes the story bad as well? Lovecraft for instance was pretty racist even for his time, does that means you shouldn't read his works? I think that we can distinguish the author from the work but if we actually should give money to someone like him is not as easy. The other guy that is far right is not the same thing, people do have right to their opinions and anyone can of course choose to not buy their comics but boycotting someone because you don't agree with their political standpoints is very different from not giving money to sexual predators. For that matter is Frank Miller rather far right as well but I haven't heard many comic fans want to boycott him for that (except maybe "Holy terror" but that one is so bad so there are better reasons not to buy it then Frank's political opinions). People tend to ignore these things if they like the author... Of course if the author politicize the comic things might be different.

@Megan-ii6vj

2 жыл бұрын

@@loke6664 The difference is that Ellis is still alive and people don’t want money going into his pockets.

@loke6664

2 жыл бұрын

@@Megan-ii6vj Well, that and the fact that Ellis is an actual criminal, not just someone with dodgy opinions. Kinda makes things harder to ignore.

I fell in love with the character of Moon Knight with the same run of issues you did, with the 2016 run, I found at a library and was curious and got it and I went back for the rest of the collection and have the entire run and the most recent runs and still may have not returned them…after 3 years…

Suprised you didn't at least mention the run going on right now which has been phenomenal

@ComicDrake

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it's amazing. I just don't think it's a great starting point.

@YaBoiChipsAhoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComicDrake I think there's an argument to be made that it is, but as long as we can agree on the great quality of the book I'm happy lol

I really like this "Where to Start" series. I hope you do more in the future.

I am so stoked for Moon Knight. I've long been a fan and can't wait for him to get the exposure he's long since earned. Awesome Vid, Drake but there's no surprise there.

You know where I’m gonna start reading Moon Knight … at home 😎 (I’m so alone)

I'm glad Moon Knight is finally getting the recognition he deserves.

I was waiting for a Moon Knight show for a long long time. Man, it's about time.

The Lemire and Bendis runs definetely caught my attention! It helps that Alex Maleev is one of my favourite comic book artists ever, thanks for the recommendations Drake! Side note - It sucks to hear that writers like Ellis and Dixon have a shitty history that follows them and the art they've made. I'm not being an apologist for them at all, in fact its truly a good thing when people in the community like Drake call it out and clarify what he means when he says to buy second hand or not buy at all, but like if you've been a fan of somebody for a while and it turns they were a dirtcloth of a human being the whole time it feels like betrayal. Treat each other well everybody

@Mitcheck315

2 жыл бұрын

The current Jed Mackay run is fantastic so far, if you read through the other runs that seem interesting I really recommend you pick it up it has some amazing art and even though it's not quite as great as Lemire's run it has some incredible characterization

@jackkelly9048

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mitcheck315 100% I've been seeing other folks in this comments section praising the current run as well so I'm down

Glad you’re back, I hope your vacation was awesome

I always felt like the 80s Moon Knight books were more like the classic Phantom than Batman but then again, classic Batman is basically the Phantom.

I’ve learned to sometimes enjoy a lot of comics, you have to separate the “art” from the “artist” (cough Geoff Johns cough)

Ive absolutely loved Moon Knight since my introduxtion to him in Spider Man Web Of Shadows Im glad hes getting a lot more attention

bought the lemire/smallwood collection thanks to you. It's great, art is amazing, thanks for being a great help trying to find a place to start. Comics are too confusing to figure out where to on my own

This is a really good breakdown, personally I started with ellis/shavely and then lemire/smallwood (which is my favorite run) and it got me hooked to read more. I just watched the first episode and I also think the new disney plus series is looking like a good place to start. Although slightly overwhelming, it eases you into the trippiness of the character really well.

The Sentry need his own Disney plus seriesn

Great topic. I read some, but I'll probably start again soon. Thanks for covering this. If you wanted to make "Where to start reading" a regular show for upcoming MCU project, I'd definitely watch it

That little insert for self-crit was a very nice touch. Thanks, Drake.

Can you imagine what Grant Morrison would do with Moon Knight?

I'm reading every single appearance of Moon Knight and so far the Moench Run is the best. But as you said it's not true to who the character eventually became

the grand return of the series that got me back into reading !

Great Video Drake.

I’m definitely going to start reading lemires moon knight because it sounds so good ( might also read from the dead )

Recently started reading the original title, read the 2016 one a while ago, man I love Marc, Steven, Jake and mr Knight.

Im excited for Part 2

I'm a recent Moon Knight fan. Thanks for doing this, Drake!

Thank you, before this I'd only really ever read Webtoon but after watching this video and the newest episode of Moon knight I decided to get the 2014 run and start my comic journey

"To punch goats" -comic drake 2022

Currently loving the new Moon Knight run, i did miss most of the 2014 one but from what I did read really set the tone for him as a character and “hero”

I feel the 2021 ongoing should be on here.It was my first and still only Moon Knight series I've read and after 8 issues the series it is not only amazing, but I don't feel it is necessary to have to go back to the older series as I feel this new series does a great job of getting you familiar with the character.

really nice

I wish I had this earlier at the beginning of march because I've read almost every Moon Knight book in preperation for the show

honestly, if you're the kind of person that loves watching stuff to get background knowledge on things, the new comic is a pretty good point to start too. it builds off a lot of stuff from previous comics, but if you're open to googling stuff, It's a great comic with beautiful art

I remember buying the Ellis run back in 2014 when it came out. Got the variant cover and all. Still missing a couple issues from the series but I already have ones I like most so who cares

I think maybe you should include the Ellis and Dixon books since they're not the only people who worked on the books

that was a great video

It's interesting to see Bendis run as a starting point. Most people say to avoid it like a plague

The 2016 moon knight run is my favourite comic of all time, its not for everyone but I heavily recommend it.

Love hearing more about my favorite marvel hero

Comic Drake, I would like to see a “Where to start” series.

He's my new favorite

Moon Knight is my favorite hero, period. My recommendations: Moench's 80's run (if you can handle reading old stuff) Huston's 2006 run Vengance of the Moon Knight Declan Shavley 2014 run Jeff Lemire and Greg Smallwood 2016 run McKay's 2021 run Avoid: Bendis Bemis

@RealCFZ

Жыл бұрын

I’m almost done with the 80’s run and it was a great ride!

I've been binging a lot of your videos and I have to say it's so refreshing to see someone interested in comics who supports diversity and cares about not supporting shitty people. It makes your videos super approachable and gives me faith in the community at large. As a bi guy, and a person with basic empathy, thank you :)

So annoyed Warren Ellis wrote what is, in my opinion, the best Moon Knight stuff. I also feel bad for the other creators involved.

What's up Drake

I started with the moon knight epic collection 1 and have nearly gotten every trade, of course missing the Ellis run as it isn't printed anymore and the mental hospital one I have read every other run in this video and mk has easily become one of if not my favorite super hero

You should do this with many many other heroes if you can

Moonknight is awesome definitely a fan

If you can track down copies of Essential Moon Knight 1 & 2 by Doug Moench and Bill Sienkiewicz, those are a really good starting point. While they're reprints in black and white, the stories are solid and it's great to watch Sienkiewicz evolve from a Neal Adams clone to his own very unique style.

The current run is also pretty great

I'm starting to notice Los Angeles is basically the default city for heroes to move to when they want to move away from new york

I started at Jeff Lemire's run and liked it alot

Moon Knight is my favorite super hero ever, his 2016 run was insane (literally) and his 2021 run so far is top tier

The 90’s Tim Drake and Grayson runs are some of my favorite for the characters so hearing that stuff about Chuck Dixon hit way too hard.

@slothful2039

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah...I agree. The dude is buddy-buddy with legit white supremacists and a pro-pedophile in Milo Yiannoplous. I get separating art from the artist, but some things are a bit too far.

@JcgLounge

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know anything about the Homophobic stuff from Chuck Dixon, but the whole part about him being around far right individuals? So, Ethan Van Schiver is far right? Wesley from Thinking Critical and YoungRippa59(a black man)are far right?

I highly recommend the Marvel Essentials Moon Knight. To this day it's the only Marvel Essentials I've ever bought, and it's well worth the price for all the content you get.... if you're okay with it being black and white reprints (which I think perfectly fit MK).

2006 "The Bottom" is definitely my favorite arc and a great place to start.

>Recommending the Bendis series ...Drake what the fuck is this? Also beginning with the 2006 series is not a great idea since that is supposed to represent the lowest point of his career. How are we supposed to empathize if we don't know what his career normally looks like?

Waiting for magic spoon shipping to Denmark.

@johnwerner69

2 жыл бұрын

Why? You can literally get healtier morning cereal in most danish stores and for wayyyy less money

I’m almost done with the 1980’s run and wow. It’s actually interesting to see how different Moon Knight is compared to the MCU’s version. This also got me wanting to see villains that would hopefully be in Season 2 of Moon Knight. Like I wanted to see Morpheus, Black Spectre and of course Bushman.

I love that you warn us about writers etc who are ... not ideal ... to support, and why. Thank you.

nice to know the history of this character

Jeff lemires run made me cry as a mentally ill person it scared the shit out of me but it was amazing

I know I'm late but are all moon knight comics part of one story and one universe or different story's in different universes

@ComicDrake

10 ай бұрын

All of the books in this video are Earth-616.

7:18 "sin-KEV-itch"

Read them all. Tbh each run isn’t that long you’ll appreciate it in totality. Start with 85 run then follow through

I am legit jealous of all the people who are gonna get to discover him for the first time.

i'm not really a fan of moon knight as i find that the character is lacking consistency and proper identity to build new versions around, feel like it is the type of problem that leads to people falling in love with one depiction of the character only for the next edition to change to much from the last version that you end up losing interest or just get over all disappointed sooner or later as you no longer recognize the character anymore, but i will still give the upcoming show a chans, think it might be what the character needs to finally get a foundation to build him around in the future.

@skyyswaggstudios2934

2 жыл бұрын

I think to be a moon knight fan you gotta appreciate the variety that is moon knight books, so he’s probably just not for you which is fine

@skyyswaggstudios2934

2 жыл бұрын

@Oswald Cobblepot yeah, I get that. Its just now that im reading moon knight it feels like its a part of his niche appeal. Hes a very malleable character

It's pronounced "Sin-kev-itch"

I just read the first couple Ellis issues… it’s a pretty hokey murder mystery. It’s cute, the art is good but not crazy about the story. Am I missing something? Gonna try Jeff Lemire’s run next. Lemire is usually great.

@Alexanderbendo

Жыл бұрын

just a couple pages into Lemire's. Its soooo much better.

The only Moon Knight comic I've read has him fight the Avatar of Ra

Ok I’ll just hop onto the more recent stuff to save time

Nuts. Start your reading with the original 1980 run. It's the only good way to see how the character has evolved over the years and different creative teams, and it certainly introduces the mental health issues that later writers to and ran with. It's only 38 issues, and if you're also into it for the early and developing Sienkiewicz art you can just stop at #30 (although he did the covers till the end - some his best work IMO).

Off all the moon knight comics you choose the Bendis one for a thumbnail and as a moon knight fan that kinda hurt

Did you know the marvel animated universe on Disney xd got their own comics could you talk about those please hope u see this ComicDrake PLEASE SEE THIS COMIC DRAKE 🥺🥺🥺🥺

Wait why didn't this show up in my sub box?

that first ep was like a fever dream...btw i dont know anything about moon knight

I kind of need DC to create a 'Mr. Bat' persona for Batman.... I mean, the whole cape and cowl thing is getting old, let's go with a suit and cowl look.

Way to butcher Bill Sienkiewicz's name. Sin-KEV-itch. One of the best comic artists ever!

@ComicDrake

2 жыл бұрын

I have mild dyslexia.

8:21 i wonder if that’s one of the reasons they made frenchie gay?

Didn’t know that about Chuck Dixon. Damn. He’s written some of my favorite books, but that is just terrible to hear.

Isn’t Warren Ellis the same guy who made The Boys?

@LuisLopez-fq5sz

2 жыл бұрын

No that's garth ennis

@ntcnetwork9934

2 жыл бұрын

@@LuisLopez-fq5sz ah gotcha

It's time for the rise of the Marvel Batman

Man, it sucks that Warren Ellis turned out to be such a piece of shit. With Marvel having recently reprinted the Bendis run, the Lemire run and soon the Marvel Legacy run all in Complete Collection format it sucks the 2014 series most likely won’t get the same treatment because of him. Still, great vid as ever Drake!

You might be lucky enough to meet Bill in person one day, and when you do…. Please don’t butcher the man’s last name. It happens…often. 😔 . Hence he is indeed Bill sin-KEV-itch. Once you see it, it honestly rolls off the tongue from here on out. 😉

It's pronounced Bill "sinKEVitch"

@ComicDrake

2 жыл бұрын

I have mild dyslexia.

my girlfriend LOVES moon knight, and is ecstatic about the new disney show coming tomorrow if i like the show (which i probably will), i think i'll check the comics out!