Ed Bolian once said, you never engage in a car transaction where someone ends up with the money, the title and the car... one of those three things have to always be in your procession.

@starsaber2002

3 жыл бұрын

I want to know that story because I remember him saying thT

@cdcallaway86

3 жыл бұрын

He broke every rule in buying a car lol

@shawnl3151

3 жыл бұрын

Good practice but not bulletproof

@nickfalzone7955

3 жыл бұрын

If you go through a dealer, in many states you have to wait for DMV to send you the title. Nowadays that takes 2-6 weeks typically. 3 months or more, you're being scammed.

@jrose7381

3 жыл бұрын

Officer told me sort of similar with party favors. Never get caught with the trifecta. Party favors, cash and weapons. No Bueno.

Thank you for sharing your story. We need everyone who's in your situation to be open about it so the true scale of the problem can be brought into the light. The more I learn, the more disheartening it is.

@normalguysupercar

3 жыл бұрын

Also, if you want to discuss, email me dan@normalguysupercar.com

@EddieF14

3 жыл бұрын

@@normalguysupercar I watched your videos about CNC also and just can't believe it's happening to a higher class of people. The question I have is base on your video when Clay came on and apologize and promise to pay everyone back. Let's say he scammed 40 customers, each one of the customers he owes approx. $50,000 (I'm just using that number), that comes to 2 million dollars, I really wonder where is he going to find $2 million dollars to pay back his customers ? The numbers that I use is only an estimate and I bet you the numbers and the dollar amount is much higher.

@Engineer_with_cars

3 жыл бұрын

This is beyond disheartening. This is bank fraud, most likely money laundering, probably mail fraud. These guys are crooks playing games with other people’s money, so to speak. They have been playing games for a while. The merry-go round has stopped and their scheme collapsed. I feel bad for the folks who have been scammed by a crooked used-car salesman.

@user-oc8cl9rd9y

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah? Cannot wait for clay to do another video to blame the internet again

@falconfury2061

3 жыл бұрын

Algo

File a lien against that company before he files bankruptcy.

@agentbb007

3 жыл бұрын

They already sold their building, there’s nothing left to take and Clay made it very clear in the video he has no assets to his name. These dudes are going to be left holding the bag.

@midifire

3 жыл бұрын

@@agentbb007 surely someone can be held responsible even after a bankruptcy. Fraus omnia corrumpit... Fraud breaks all. At least in Belgium that is

@samsonian

3 жыл бұрын

This is criminal fraud. Clay needs to be arrested, tried and put in prison for this if he is acting like he has no money to pay people back.

@christinecanepa4267

3 жыл бұрын

If clay sold the building he should have some money. They had to purchase the land before they built the building. That said, they have so many of these cases - one of our employees was a victim as well- he likely will have nothing left. The best thing people can do is call the DMV - they need to pull his license so he stops victimizing others to pay the victims. The DMV will literally come and pull all Bill of Sales and paperwork out of the building so he cannot legally sell vehicles. Here’s the link www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/locations/investigations-offices/

@JT-wy3xl

3 жыл бұрын

@@christinecanepa4267 Clay is whité so he’ll get away with it or at worst a slap on the wrist.

Clay doesn’t care about you, or your Ferrari. He probably sold it to someone else.

@despencer8311

3 жыл бұрын

Or since Clayman is such a player, he probably contacted the original owner, told them that CnC has a buyer for the Ferrari but when buyer/sales guy did a car inspection, they found out that the gearbox was stuffed. Clayman then hits the original owner with a hefty bill. The original owner shocked, refused to cough up and went to repo the Ferrari. That’s why ain’t nobody heard from Crooks N Cars.

@slytherben

3 жыл бұрын

This

@y2kazan868

3 жыл бұрын

@@despencer8311 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@mikep8646

3 жыл бұрын

sad but true

@rayworline4095

3 жыл бұрын

He brought many cars?! It sounds like his first ever! Domestic or foriegn It's still a car. Would you buy a car from Craigslist this way? Didnt think so! So would you any other car. A fool and his money smh 🤣

Keep the pressure on this guy. They have been playing shell games with peoples money and now the game is over

Glad you spoke out about this

@rayworline4095

3 жыл бұрын

Spoke out about what? He did bad business? It's still a car. Its basics

Call the attorney general in California and they will go after them for free.

@gregs8685

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the CA attorney general office is run and staffed by ANTIFA members, so they will be too busy pursuing social justice causes to help out a US citizen and business owner that is having a problem with a fraudulent Ferrari transaction.

@gary40rochy

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregs8685 is your brain consumed by ANTIFA , we in the UK laugh and wonder why a percentage of Americans are obsessed with conspiracy theories . Pizza gate 😂😂😂😂😂

@beatonthedonis

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregs8685 Not now, Andy.

@briangriffith4574

3 жыл бұрын

@@gary40rochy what exactly did he say that was a conspiracy theory? What a moronic comment.

@DustinChase

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yea they will jump right on it TOMORROW!!!!! Bahahahahhahahahahahahah

Get a lawyer involved, along with the fraud sector at your bank.

@joecangialose6828

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely hire a lawyer.

@chancock4222

3 жыл бұрын

That wouldn’t help a lot. A lawyer would only help if there was a question of wrongdoing or a dispute of wrongdoing. There’s not. Clay knows he’s f***ed and buried. A lawyer may get you a judgement against him but he can’t get blood from a rock.

@todtalk3912

3 жыл бұрын

@@chancock4222 everyone thinks once you win a civil judgement you get your money, it rarely ever turns out that way, you then have to force their hand in paying you and it takes even more money the entire way.

@user-kk3dq3xw9g

3 жыл бұрын

@@todtalk3912 So true. Bernie Madoff did far worse and look how that played out.

@raul0434

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-kk3dq3xw9g I was thinking OJ Simpson LOL, he's never paid them!

Crazy story. So heart breaking. You just wanted your fantasy to come true. Instead you got a nightmare. Feel sorry for you man.

Matt, I am a "court appointed receiver" and deal with MANY, MANY debtors such as CNC Motors. When you do speak to a lawyer you should ask if he can organize a group of the clients of CNC to toss CNC into Receivership. At that point a Receiver will be appointed and CNC can no longer operate under his/their own guise and the Receiver will be operating CNC or otherwise liquidating the company to pay back the creditors/customers. There are a lot of cogs in that wheel, but those with the priority lien or fraudulent positions will take some priority before one of his banks snag all yours and others funds and credit positions.

@ronaldo19832

3 жыл бұрын

👍🏽 well said

@shanecarjunkie2734

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing to liquidate... Especially if there are investors in "First Position" Most of the inventory at CNC is Consigned or Provided in a "Flooring Plan" by lender/investors. These guys know the game. But some of us know how to beat him at his own game.

I can see how all this started. He was just blinded by his dream car. This is where a good friend should step in to be the voice of reason. Anyone would’ve told him to get a PPI at the least before handing that check over.

The Alegra Collection, LLC v. CNC Motors, Inc. et al Case Summary On 03/23/2021 The Alegra Collection, LLC filed a Property - Personal Property Fraud lawsuit against CNC Motors, Inc. This case was filed in U.S. District Courts, Florida Middle District. The Judges overseeing this case are William F. Jung and Amanda Arnold Sansone. The case status is Pending - Other Pending.

This story is a good example of how not to buy an Ferrari with no warranty sold as is, no PPI and just taking a leap of faith that you are dealing with an honest dealership which CNC is not. I would get a lawyer and go from there..

@sgfreak96

3 жыл бұрын

Can you blame him? CNC was one of the most widely recognized names out there. Even if the gearbox hadn't failed, he still wouldn't have the title or registration. I would have trusted CNC to be selling a good quality car that was inspected and in good operating condition - at least well enough to get me home. I'm not saying don't do a PPI, but I don't blame this guy for trusting them.

@devilshaircut9

3 жыл бұрын

I know! This guy is so cavalier with his money I would NOT hand over any funds without them presenting a legal title for signature

@DONUT2858

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the only way I'd buy an exotic is with a warranty and from the verified dealer

After having now heard your whole story I can’t tell you how much I admire your good faith. I could never have stayed so positive in your situation... the pandemic, seriously injuring yourself, the car having a maintenance issue... figuring out there may be serious fraud going on and even still you try to be optimistic and faithful that things will work out. I’ve been watching all of Dan’s videos on the subject and from what CNC is saying... if one person sort of throws a wrench in their plan with a lawsuit to get what is rightfully theirs it will screw over everyone else? I don’t want to see a lot of people lose out but as you said at the end... I think there is a serious problem there and I don’t think it’s only a recent one either. Good business would have been to stop when they noticed the issue and not trying to carry on making it worse. I hear your story and the more I learn about you the more you remind me of myself in so many ways. I’m glad you’ve recovered from your injuries, it’s my hope you’ll get through this issue with CNC quickly. I wish I had more advice than “Talk to a lawyer.” If you are going to court you’re going to want to try to either beat everyone else to the punch or go in with other owners because if what CNC said is true... one little “wrench” will destroy everything for them and potentially screw over people like you... Wishing you the best and wishing I could do something to help...

@hmd6202

3 жыл бұрын

I think they took advantage of how nice and sincere this community is and specifically how nice and sincere Matt is. They are bending this guy over left and right.

@BecomeAPrime

3 жыл бұрын

@@hmd6202 I agree to an extent. There is very much so a lot of kind genuine people in this space but I also want to hope that CNC isn’t trying to take advantage of them... I really want to hope they are trying and going to make things right.

@davidhasselhoff619

3 жыл бұрын

@@BecomeAPrime You need to stop being do naive. CnC is a criminal operation at this point. The man needs to get back the car and get a lawyer.

As a car lover, I have nothing but pain in my heart for what has been done to you! I wish you the best, and hope you get your car of the car you should have

Buying a 21 year old Ferrari "as is"... yikes. I'm worried for the end of this story.. although I'm pretty sure I know the ending.

@devilshaircut9

3 жыл бұрын

That F1 transmission is slow and expensive to service/repair/replace. This guy must be a BMW owner, not a real car guy.

@nasty3145

3 жыл бұрын

What 21 year old Ferrari doesnt have problems? I know i feel like this is his own problem for being naive not having it inspected or driven prior

I am shocked that people don’t get PPI’s from the Ferrari dealership. Shocked.

@devilshaircut9

3 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct in doing your due diligence but did you know that a lot of Ferrari dealerships have stopped performing PPIs for customers as it is too much of a liability for them? Gotta go to an independent.

@Debkghtulvkfjkjfxjjcj

3 жыл бұрын

@@devilshaircut9 LOL. wrong. I work for a Ferrari dealer.

@nasty3145

3 жыл бұрын

RIGHT!! Guy goes and buys a 20 year old Ferrari with 40k? Thats like buying a 30 year old Corvette with 100k.... and he sadly thinks it should run like a brand new car. When they cant even go 15k-20k on a clutch.... hense why its being sold at 40k end of clutch #2 life.

Thanks for sharing! Damn, I was on CNC's site yesterday looking for my dream car and emailed them about one that caught my eye. Thank god I found your vid. I wish you the best.

Go get your car NOW so you have the collateral! Broken or fixed just go get the car, trust me.

@paulb6560

3 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. If what is being said about from Shane in his interview, this is huge with numerous bad checks being written (which is a crime) and the California BMV with 30-40 complaints, CNC isn't coming back from this and in this police officers opinion, Clay is going to find himself behind bars before it's over. I'd get my car back ASAP before investigators raid the place, put locks on the door and your car doesn't see the light of day for months, if not years. With possession of the car you at least have something besides a car payment.

@MICHAELSMITH-hx8sw

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulb6560 100% agree with everything you said

@skliros9235

3 жыл бұрын

He never got the title.

@paulb6560

3 жыл бұрын

@@skliros9235 that's correct, but at least if he has the car in his garage, along with all his proof of purchase paperwork, he has something. If law enforcement ends up coming in and shutting the doors (no idea if that's going to happen) what's in the building stays in the building until the investigation is over and a judge makes a final determination of who actually owns what and whose entitled to what. Things like this can take years. If there's a lot of transactions, forensic accountants have to be brought in to see where all the money has went. Investigations like that don't happen over night. In Clays interview he said he sold his house and building in attempt to save his business and make everything right. That could be completely true. It could also be he's liquidating his assets preparing for bankruptcy court. Either way I'd want the car I'm paying for in my possession at least for the time being.

@lukintube

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely go there now, unannounced and tow that car out of there.

My heart goes out to you my friend. How unbelievably stressful for you. I hope it all sorts itself out as quickly as possible!

The more layers of this issue that are peeled back the worse it gets. And I certainly understand your business situation too. We had a similar situation last year. I feel for you and am glad like us you came out strong. Good luck.

Get a lawyer, file a complaint with California DMV , contact California States Attorneys Office and say a prayer , you’ll need it! Good luck.

Thanks for sharing your side. We would all assume buying a "dream car" would have better personable service regardless of the price tag.

Sorry to hear. Thanks for getting the word out

Thank you for sharing. Best of luck to you, don't let up, keep the pressure on!

I respect your honesty about making what was obviously a very emotional set of decisions, and I’m sure you’ve learned some valuable lessons. Obviously the real issue here is the transaction itself. I would suggest, as others have that you seek legal help pronto - hopefully from a lawyer already involved that is not starting from scratch. Make sure the proper authorities are aware of your situation as I’ve read there is an ongoing investigation. Also, I personally, would want that car in my possession, running or not. Best of luck to you and don’t be too hard on yourself. We’ve all made decisions we wish we could take back. Live and learn.

@agentbb007

3 жыл бұрын

That’s great advise I would try to hire the same lawyer that Shane guy is using.

This is a criminal fraud case. You need to get in touch with a lawyer and either press criminal charges or sue.

i was more excited about my first Corvette than i was about my first house , i know the feeling.... i hope it works out Matt, just subscribed....

Thank you for sharing this! Really, THANK YOU! I was making inquiries about a Lambo they have for sale (with no answer from them to-date), so this video pretty much saved me a ton of hassles and lots of money.

Dude... you’re too nice of a person:) and This is a compliment)

I have been following this for the past few weeks..NGSC, Shane just got his car back....hope you do to Matt all the best. If you can't trust ppl with the same passion as you for cars....then who can you? God bless brother.

Very insightful video. So glad I did a little research before deciding to do business with CNC.

I was down there for Cars and Coffee. Looked at a 360 red with tan interior. Seemed the place was running on a shoe string.

Dude I feel your pain, I get the money aspect, but to have a dream go wrong is what hurts the most. Good luck and God Bless!

Your room you're shooting in looks amazing!

Thanks for telling your story. CNC is trash and the owner should go to jail!!!

This channel is gonna blow up!

Clay will ask you to call. Clay will whine. Clay will cry about the pandemic. Clay will talk about his family. And Clay won’t do Jack shit beyond that to get anything fixed for this gentleman.

@slytherben

3 жыл бұрын

This

@fatgirlboy9341

3 жыл бұрын

Clay will ask you drive hours to see him so he can brainwash you

@BP-fx3qc

3 жыл бұрын

Clay will end up wrapped in a rug thrown in a dumpster.

@MyCatInABox

3 жыл бұрын

@@BP-fx3qc THIS👆

@blitzy3244

3 жыл бұрын

Clay cries about the pandemic as if he runs a small business or a restaurant lmao.

Wow always saw their auctions on BAT. Figured they were solid. Fingers crossed for your brother. Thanks for sharing.

I appreciate you my friend. Thanks for the honesty.

What really is sad here is CNC "Clay" and probably his wife will be in jail in the next 30 day's and everyone of these poor customer's are going to lose all their money. At least the people with car's still there they can get them back IF Clay didn't figure a way to take loans out on those car's. We all will see soon enough it's all coming out now.

The more I watch the various supercar videos and channels on KZread, the less inclined I am to ever want to own one, even if I could afford it.

@markbeiser

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly not finance it, or any other type of transaction that doesn't involve an extensive PPI, and leaving with the car and a clear title in hand at the time the transaction is made.

Hi Matt,my name is Alessandro from Vancouver,Canada, I just wanna say that I also own rosso corsa F 360 1999 coupe,it's been 6 years with tubi exhaust and lovely sound.Enjoy this beauty my friend after all you went through.The best and if you think you come up here around Seattle would be my pleasure to meet you in person,ciao.

Thanks for posting this video, I hope this gets worked out. Wow!!!

So sorry to hear your story, I wish you luck!

Congrats on getting your car back Matt!!!

17:15 Crazy emotional purchase. Good luck man.

Your a very good man the fact that you personally refunded your clients says to me can I work for you. You are a good boss I hope you get this car an situation resolved. You have earned it i can hear it in your voice.

Thats messed up. Sorry for your troubles. I am glad I heard about this. Car industry is corrupted from the top all the way down.. It's rare to find someone trustable. Hope it works out!

One thing when the contract says "AS IS",it means as is!I had a simular thing happen to me when I bought a 1974 lotus europa JPS,I bought my first exotic and did not do my true diligence of understanding her. When I got close to home I started to hear a noise like grinding metal,finally the car came to a skidding halt and stopped I tried to start but no go! I had it towed to a shop close to me and low and behold I had a massive transmittion leak due to slipshot transmittion engineering! The crown and pinion shaft had weilded the sincro's and gears to this shaft,each [1-4 gears cost =$2400) and the crown and pinion shaft cost $2400!! Like you I contacted the orginal dealer he told me he would help,I did not hold my breath!Lucky for me I reached to LOTUS parts west and they had a used transaxle gearbox for $1200,thank god!

Wishing you all the best

I bought my Ferrari from Phillips Auto in Newport. CNC kind of gave me the creeps. I’m in sales, and their salesman on the floor was off. Cam, one of the managers was cool, but again, something wasn’t right. My buddy went there with me to get an R8, I was going to get a Scud. Glad I didn’t. Thanks for spreading the word. Good luck. I’d highly recommend Phillips Auto. Good people.

I feel for this guy. Sadly going to court and hiring a lawyer prolly gonna be alotta money. Maybe Even as much as the car price alone

@christopherh2336

3 жыл бұрын

Cheaper to hire a hitman

Good luck man. That situation sucks.

THANKS YOU FOR SHARING THE STORY !!!!

You are so correct in your assumptions. So sorry for your issues. Fight the fight !!

Sorry you are going through this . Praying it works out

Matt, after hearing about your experience, my heart goes out to you. I live right down the street from Woodcreek.....and if you're still in the same area, I hope to see you "bombing" up and down these same roads soon. I liked how CNC was crying "Boo Hoo" and saying "Please stop saying mean things about us because then we'll have to declare bankruptcy and then NO ONE gets their problem solved." Kind of a subtle threat, really.

WOW man sorry to hear that this is crazy, got to be something that can be done about this. Feel bad for these people.

Your Persistence is amazing.

In California, legitimate dealers will register the car sold on the day it was sold and put a paper registration on the windshield. If not, stand up,, turn, and walk away. CNC is nearby and I pass it daily. Didn’t know all the brouhaha until now.

thanks for sharing your story. Hope it helps others.

Paul Chua of ferrari chat has a way of making enemies in this industries too

I know exactly how you feel same thing happened to me a few years back but with a Porsche ( south Africa) after about 6 month of fighting everyday with them and going to the shop every day it was finally sorted , very scary, and these guys are so convincing that you actually believe them and feel sorry for them, but at the end of the day you out of pocket, good luck hope it gets sorted

I feel bad for you Matt. I felt the same way when I first brought my Gallardo. Hope you come out ok in your situation. Surprised hes not locked yet.

So sorry to hear your story Matt. I would also advise to Lawyer up and file complaints with the authorities. I agree that it has very likely been going on for years and the Covid situation brought it to light.

Wow. Thanks for sharing and sorry you are going thru this. You will come out on top no matter what happens. Stay positive don't let these used car fraudsters get you down.

I was there with a buddy getting his cars out of there

Can you share the vin to your car? Maybe vin wiki can help. Its so sad to hear story's like this, but you are a voice that must be heard! Hoping for a good outcome 🙏

I'm so sorry for your experience. That is not what the Ferrari experience is about. I hope you come out whole in the end and fulfill your dream of owning a Ferrari

If you have not already....I would check CNC for sale page. They have a couple of 360’s listed that match your description. You may be able to cross reference the VIN

Wow man, you def seem like the nicest guy, and i really hope it worls out. I see some other vids that you made and ill checl them out. I take your word that you gave your clients back all the money you werent even contractually obligated to through a loan you took out, and then THIS happens.... thats terrible

Clay needs to be in Jail , no sympathy for that crook

Awe Matt you look like such a nice guy. I feel so awful this happened to you dude

How crazy, I'd be devastated.

I bought a 458 from them sight unseen from out of state about 6 years ago. Smooth and seamless transaction. They used to have a great reputation with incredible inventory. That doesn't happen by mistake..... wonder what's happened over there.

thanks for sharing all this mess with us, hope this tale about the shifting encourages everyone to get a PPI BEFORE purchasing an exotic, even from a dealer. They really seemed to give ya the run around. I know you wanted to make a video of you and the camera of your experiences with them but would have been cool to see the videos and the documents you're referencing as a part of the story. Hopefully you can prosecute CNC to the flat fullest extent of the law. Time to lawyer up!!!!!

“If it quacks like a duck, and it looks like a duck” Go on...

Hey Matt -- I bought a 2003 Ferrari 360 Modena spider from them back in August 2020. While I didn't have the nightmare time you had, there were definitely some of the same patterns. Customer service from everyone besides Casey (KC?) definitely lags and feels like they're shorthanded and just not on top of things. Certainly poor follow-through for even a regular dealership, let alone a high end dealership reseller, let alone a super-car dealership reseller. And I had the same issues with the title and DMV stuff. I bought it in August 2020, temp plates expired in Nov 2020, by March 2021 still no plates. I attributed all this to Covid delays either at CNC or DMV, until I called CNC, and learned "oh that car needs a smog check before we can submit the title paperwork, sorry no one's called you, we're a little shorthanded." It finally got taken care of, but I had to call back twice. I finally got plates, title, registration. Let's do shout out to Casey though, he's a star there. I had some service done, and it was all perfect. He was always professional. A couple of question/items for you on your purchase: - Did you do a pre-purchase inspection (PPI)? When I researched my 360, every site said to get one to avoid costly hidden repairs, so I made sure to get one on all the cars I was seriously considering. Dealerships all seemed cool with getting one done, seems common. - Early models of the 360 (1999-2002) are supposedly a little less reliable and more quirky than later models (2003 and later), just because the line was new and they were still shaking bugs and design hitches out of the line. This may be the cause of some of your issues? - Title: If you financed a portion of your car, won't the bank get the title until you pay off the loan? Just addressing your expectation of receiving the title. You should definitely get plates and registration paperwork tho. Good luck getting it back. They're so much fun, it'll be (mostly) worth the wait! If you tire of this battle with the 360 though, consider maybe trading it in and upgrading to the 430, which is apparently a little more reliable? Once you get your next bonus(es) :)

Thanks for sharing your story and it’s heartbreaking but I don’t understand why the people who have come forward have been so patient with CNC, especially with such high value cars. A similar thing happened to me at a dealership on LA and I immediately went defcon 5 and had my lawyer go after them and I had my car back two weeks later. I understand that these are emotional purchases but business is business and you cannot just trust the other party, you must verify.

Hire a lawyer. Tell the bank what happened. They will try to reverse the payment, however, it may be too late. I have had fraudulent charges reversed up to 90 days after they hit the bank, but I have heard others have not been so lucky. Next time, do research before you buy. Get a pre-purchase inspection. Don't buy something you can't afford to maintain. Don't buy sight unseen. Also, file a claim with the BBB. At a minimum, others need to know.

Glad you are speaking out about this POS, so sorry to hear about your situation. Praying it will work out for you, and maybe look at a Porsche for its reliability if you choose to buy another performance car!

That’s crazy!!

Sorry to hear that. You should have had a PPI run on the car before you bought it.

Hopefully I get to see you and your 360 at one of the NorCal Cars and Coffee. I'd go pick it up, no matter it's condition. Someone else probably holds title and they may be trying to take it back.

Super sorry to hear about your story,

Hey Matt, which shop did you take it to? I am also in the same area as you "nor cal" just curious.

This is awful to hear. Stay strong and don't give up until you get your car or money back.

You should of got a PPI ( Pre Purchase Inspection)

I am sorry about your experience. I recommend once you get you money back you go to website Ferrari Chat and read up and research before buying. There are buyers guides etc. Number one rule is get a PPI ( pre purchase inspection) from a reputable independent as well as look for a car with a complete service history. The issue with your heat exchanger may have been easily detected by simply removing the cap from the overflow reservoir and checking for oil in your coolant. Good luck.

Sorry to hear about this, I almost bought a f430 from them years ago but it seemed super fishy and odd and I walked away. I hope it gets resolved for your sake soon but I think a ppi on this 360 upfront would have saved these headaches since the inspection would have showed you the car had transmission problems

Man I hope you get it fixed!

Three things make up a car deal. 1. The car 2. The title 3. The money. If you don’t have of one of the 3 at any given time your setting yourself up for something bad.

Good luck man.

Crap, I left my Land Rover for consignment probably a week after you left with your Ferrari. I don’t want to be part of any wrong doing so I’m calling them today to pick it up asap. Good luck my friend!!!

Did SF Motorsports in Marin give you the sad analysis about the heat exchanger?

Clay said in his interview that he would like to be lifelong friends with Shane....

Please check with the Consumer Motor Vehicle Recovery Corp. They have a website. This is a Corp set up by the California Legislature for dealer Freud.

This is a more common problem than you think. There are some bad dealers out there whether it is a independent or a new car store. I have been in the automotive business for almost 40 years and have herd this story more times than I can remember. Like your story they are working off other peoples money and the customers that get caught up with these guys tend to give the dealer the benefit of the doubt. More times than not your money and your car are gone or you end up paying twice for the car or for repairs. In the case of the loan your bank will hold you responsible for the balance due. They will want it paid off in full immediately as you do not have ownership of the car no title no ownership. The car if you have it will be taken by the title holder wether it is the bank or owner. I would get the state police involved to start with and hire a lawyer to protect your interest as best as possible. People in your position need to get aggressive to close this guy and others like him down, Clay and the people who work with him are thieves. Never pay or give more funds to a dealer or seller than you are willing to lose with out seeing the title to a car. No title no check. If they can not do that time to look for another car.

Please tell us what your resolution will be.